Juno News - Liberals resort to abortion scare tactics

00:00:00.000 all right noah you're supposed to be the funniest on the team so you can uh start us off i'm the

00:00:06.380 funniest on the team i don't know you know what makes you think that is it just you know my

00:00:10.560 appearance that's what andrew that's what andrew designated you wasn't this supposed to be andrew

00:00:14.420 show and i feel like he's never actually here on fridays yeah he's always on vacation in different

00:00:19.780 countries and stuff you know living the living his best life i don't even really think that he works

00:00:24.040 yeah i'm a bit concerned that he's in taiwan right now while china is engaged in unprecedented war

00:00:31.060 games surrounding the island with ships and planes so we're a little bit worried about getting

00:00:37.000 andrew lotten back safe and sound into one piece not on that it's not a maybe a low-key chinese agent

00:00:43.500 who knows no maybe we i feel bad maybe we shouldn't be saying uh unkind things about him while he's in

00:00:49.440 a dangerous dangerous zone sorry andrew yeah i understand he's getting on a plane home today so

00:00:55.700 i'm i think he'll be okay all right well in that case andrew this is your show you need to come back

00:01:01.040 and you need to start hosting it more regularly we're happy to all be guests but it's your show

00:01:04.900 your responsibility all right everyone let's get it started

00:01:08.560 hey everyone welcome back to off the record friday's fun show andrew lotten is out of town

00:01:23.040 in taiwan as you may have heard so i am filling in in his absence and i am joined by william mcbeth

00:01:28.380 and noah jarvis thanks folks for joining me today guys happy to be here it's a pleasure to be on

00:01:33.960 so it's been a spicy week in canadian politics actually it seems like there is probably not much

00:01:40.520 going on and you always know that it's been a slow news week and when they're down in the polls

00:01:44.860 when the liberals start talking about abortion the liberals are once again fear-mongering over

00:01:49.560 abortion saying that the conservative leader pierre polyev if he was in government if he was in power

00:01:55.540 he would make abortion illegal personally i'm pro-life i don't have a problem with this

00:02:00.620 unfortunately pierre polyev has actually said he would do nothing to legislate

00:02:03.720 it so the liberals don't really have much of an argument but they always seem to bring this up

00:02:07.380 when they're down the polls and we have many polls showing them down by as many as 20 points

00:02:12.140 still this has been what they've chosen to make the issue of the week about and there was a pretty

00:02:17.060 crazy press conference that broke out in ottawa this week we're going to play a clip to show you

00:02:20.880 what the liberals sounded like this week in ottawa i'm here representing the women's caucus and

00:02:25.380 members of the little party and we've sent a letter to the leader of the opposition

00:02:29.140 asking him to be very clear with canadians and in particular with canadian women on what he would

00:02:35.360 do to defend a woman's right to choose we've seen that his caucus there are many anti-choice

00:02:41.980 caucus members we've seen some of their actions recently including mp kathy wagenthal who at the

00:02:48.600 pro-life rally held here last week said that women who have abortions end up needing redemption

00:02:54.480 forgiveness and needing god we as women want to know whether the leader of the opposition will

00:03:02.240 ensure that his caucus does not put forward legislation that in any way impinges on women's

00:03:11.120 frights and freedoms in particular bodily autonomy so of course now the liberals are saying they're

00:03:16.480 putting forward the dreaded letter which is what politicians always do when they don't really

00:03:19.920 have anything else to do william what do you make of this why is this coming up again yeah i mean

00:03:25.740 you've heard of the little boy who cried wolf well this is the little party that cried abortion 0.97

00:03:30.160 it's every single time they're faced with uh policy criticism or sagging popularity they go to their

00:03:37.080 only weapon left they try and claim that the conservative party in government would outlaw abortion

00:03:43.520 but unlike in previous times i think you're seeing that even the legacy media aren't believing it now

00:03:49.900 they're saying look uh we had 10 years of harper government there were no changes to abortion under

00:03:55.160 that the leader pierre polliver has been very clear about uh where he scanned saying he won't

00:04:01.080 like slain on abortion so they pushed back a bit which was good to see i i also have to laugh and say there

00:04:06.540 seems to be an awful lot of men in the liberal women's caucus based on that photo uh or maybe they

00:04:12.000 choose to identify as women now that that could be i guess uh what it is too i think you raise a good

00:04:18.360 point and also you're correct the mainstream media actually did push back on this they don't often

00:04:22.400 push back on this but there's actually some good questions let's go a little bit to that back and

00:04:26.280 forth that we saw between the minister speaking and the liberal mp speaking and some of the questions

00:04:31.880 from reporters in the room were actually really challenging the uh women's caucus as you mentioned

00:04:36.260 and some of their points let's play that clip now is it he was here harper government had 10 years i know

00:04:42.420 you weren't here many of us were 10 years in power they had four years of the majority didn't move

00:04:47.280 one bit and they had private members who wanted to do things and do things gosh you are all 30 points

00:04:53.680 down the polls i'm looking at some of you will not get re-elected if there was an election this fall

00:04:57.760 how this is the most cynical play to just throw the abortion scare tactic would you like to respond

00:05:03.220 to that observation absolutely it's not a scare tactic we've seen what's happened in the states

00:05:07.340 do people really think roe versus way would have been overturned do we think what was happening there

00:05:11.380 was going to happen i've been in the women's movement for over 50 years it is not a scare tactic

00:05:16.420 things are going backwards not only in canada but around the world and these are real risks for

00:05:21.780 canadians we need to know very clearly that that party politics put for the convention individual

00:05:28.460 members are not going to introduce things because we do not want to go the same way as the united states

00:05:33.320 so it is not a scare tactic it is a very strong concern and i may not have been here then but i was

00:05:38.860 other places working on women's rights okay so do not use that as a as a reason why it's not a scare 0.95

00:05:45.660 attack last question let's just put it back the other way the government hasn't also legislated to

00:05:49.980 protect abortions either right so why doesn't your government introduce legislation to make it harder

00:05:55.180 for that to get rolled back in when there if there is a conservative government thank you you do not

00:06:01.260 want to legislate woman's body you do not legislate woman's body that is not you make sure that you

00:06:10.940 have access to abortion you don't want to legislate anybody's body particularly women's 1.00

00:06:16.940 even if that is to protect the right to choose like you're calling no you don't want to legislate your

00:06:23.020 ovaries your readers no that is not the way that you protect women's rights 0.95

00:06:28.860 i find these clips so difficult to listen to you don't want to legislate women's bodies they always 1.00

00:06:34.620 forget when they make these arguments that when we're talking about abortion there's two bodies

00:06:38.380 at play here there's also the little baby that's growing inside its mother totally innocent helpless

00:06:43.500 little child but of course the liberals don't want to acknowledge that reality that first question

00:06:48.140 there from the reporter was very interesting though he was actually very indignant you could see that

00:06:51.260 even the legacy media is tired of this ploy from the liberals he actually even said to them

00:06:55.420 you know you guys are down 30 points i mentioned earlier they're down pretty consistently 20 points

00:06:59.740 but he even went to say 30 points now what do you think that this is simply just the liberals trying

00:07:04.140 to distract because they are doing so poorly in the poll numbers or do you think there's something

00:07:08.460 more at play here oh yeah absolutely they're trying to distract i mean if an election were held

00:07:13.900 today more than half of the liberal caucus would lose their seat so it is within their best interest

00:07:19.740 to try and uh lie and portrayed the conservatives as you know some crazy uh christian radicals who want

00:07:26.780 to roll back women's rights but the fact of the matter is this uh on uh pure polio's campaign trail 1.00

00:07:32.620 when he was campaigning for the conservative leadership he made it very clear that he would not

00:07:37.180 seek to legislate uh abortions in any way shape or form and to my dismay and your dismay uh he will not

00:07:44.140 be taking on uh this issue and you know for good it's for good reason i think the pro-life movement

00:07:49.260 in canada has a lot of work to do uh to make uh abortion restrictions more popular in canada but

00:07:56.060 yeah pure polio has never said at all that he wants to uh legislate abortions he said the opposite

00:08:02.060 and uh in fact and when the reporters question um that liberal mps on this they just talk about you

00:08:08.940 know not not making uh not trying to scare the canadian public and then they immediately talk about

00:08:13.900 the united states a completely different country with you know you know different legal jurisdiction

00:08:18.460 and a different judicial system uh you know they talk about roe v wade where canada doesn't really

00:08:23.500 have an equivalent of roe v wade you could point to rv morgenthaler in 1988 and 1993 but those uh

00:08:31.340 court decisions don't necessarily say that uh you can't uh legislate abortion in any way whereas

00:08:37.740 roe v wade it was sort of the the gates that held back the flood of democratic choice

00:08:43.180 uh in the united states so i don't think that a there is a really big constituency that wants to

00:08:48.540 see abortion regulated even if you and i want to see that rachel and b uh pure polio has no desire 1.00

00:08:54.460 to do this uh and you know even if one of his private uh private members bill hits the house of

00:09:00.060 commons uh and the government votes against it uh and i'm pretty sure all liberal mps and ndp mps would

00:09:06.140 vote against it uh there's just no way uh that sort of bill would pass um in parliament so it is a

00:09:12.780 liberal scare tactic no matter what they say yeah so those liberals mps are saying you know

00:09:18.060 pure polio if in government he would use the notwithstanding clause to ban abortion he personally

00:09:22.380 wants to legislate to make abortion illegal of course his office has responded and said that isn't

00:09:26.220 the case but i think you raise a really good point here noah that the liberals are saying that you

00:09:30.940 know the liberals are being accused of fear-mongering and they say no no we're not fear-mongering look at

00:09:34.380 what's happening in the united states and by doing that they themselves are fear-mongering because

00:09:38.300 it's a totally different country it's run very differently the pro-life movement is much stronger

00:09:42.460 in the u.s and the liberals always seem to revert back to this when they are trying to scare canadians

00:09:47.580 oh we've got trumpism style canadians we all remember that sort of infamous video when peer

00:09:52.220 polio was being interviewed while he was in western canada and you know he was accused of bringing trump

00:09:57.900 style politics to canada and he was saying oh who's saying this who's saying that i'm like trump

00:10:01.980 and the reporter had really had no basis no way of backing this up one of the other things that

00:10:06.620 kind of comes to mind with this is that we know peer polio in the polls has struggled a little bit

00:10:10.780 with sort of uh middle class women in the toronto gta area of course that's always a battleground in 1.00

00:10:16.380 federal elections we know the conservatives are going to be looking to that after we saw those poll

00:10:19.900 numbers come out we sort of saw peer polio get a makeover stopped wearing the glasses maybe was

00:10:24.140 wearing a little bit of face makeup there were some accusations that i have no idea if this is true

00:10:28.300 not that he was even wearing one of those like under coatings under his shirt that has like the

00:10:31.900 fake muscles and stuff you know all this from from liberals probably isn't true it was sort of funny

00:10:36.380 to watch at the time but william what do you make of this is this really just more of the liberals

00:10:39.980 tactics tried to make peer polio unpopular with a specific group of people in canada because they

00:10:45.420 are seeing their poll numbers and they're getting a little worried for the next federal election

00:10:49.900 yeah i mean i think you're absolutely right and it's interesting the liberal government has always

00:10:54.780 reached for it seems two issues when they were trying to quote unquote scare back their supporters

00:11:00.540 one was abortion the other was guns and gun control and i think you've seen in both cases those wells

00:11:06.860 have run dry there is no legitimate fear on the part of everyday canadians uh on either of the

00:11:13.260 conservative approach to uh either gun control or abortion uh you are completely right count is very

00:11:19.500 different than the united states we have a much less uh influential and uh wide-ranging pro-life

00:11:26.380 movement we don't have the same uh pro-life politics that exist uh in the republican party

00:11:33.420 that does in the conservative party and uh less of a canadian appetite for any change on this so for

00:11:39.180 the liberals to keep going back to it it really shows how out of ideas they are they they put forward

00:11:44.860 their budget it was an absolute flop that didn't move a single supporter back into their camp they've

00:11:50.220 said they're all about building houses not a single house has been built under new liberal programs

00:11:54.860 so what they're going to is what's always worked before but i think this time again as i said that

00:11:58.940 well has just run dry and as a government let me just say as a government that's been in power for

00:12:06.140 over nine years uh you know and the reporter mentioned this they had so much opportunity to legislate

00:12:11.820 abortion rights uh into canadian law but uh they have not done that and uh you know the really

00:12:17.260 crappy retort that one of the mps gave is oh we will not uh legislate uh women's bodies and you know

00:12:23.260 starts mentioning uh specific parts but you know we did this all the time you know with the canada

00:12:28.060 health act and uh various other laws we legislate people's bodies all the time you know i mean that's

00:12:33.820 what they did during the pandemic when they're forcing people to uh get uh vaccines much unless they

00:12:39.980 want to you know have their rights severely restricted i mean we legislate people's bodies

00:12:44.540 all the time so to act like this is something that is beyond the pale that we cannot you know uh reach

00:12:51.740 this uh measure as a canadian society it is ridiculous we do this all the time uh and you

00:12:58.300 know just saying it over and over again we will not legislate women's bodies i'm not going to do 0.94

00:13:02.380 anything you're just wrong you know yeah it's just one of their classic talking points completely ignoring

00:13:07.820 the fact that the right to life is one of the most basic human rights whether that's in stride

00:13:11.740 in a constitution or a charter or whatever that is a basic right that we all inherently have and that

00:13:16.620 right is stolen from babies before they're even out of the womb but of course as we mentioned they 0.72

00:13:20.460 conveniently ignore these realities time and time again of course ignoring reality is sort of

00:13:24.460 becoming more commonplace for the liberals now we've talked a lot about this story being a

00:13:28.300 distraction for their low polling numbers they also had some other bad news from meta this week

00:13:32.940 william why don't you break down that story for us yeah well as you know um the liberal government's

00:13:38.700 online news act came in force last year and it sought to make big tech companies specifically google

00:13:45.580 and meta who owns facebook and instagram have to pay news publishers for the privilege of having

00:13:52.620 their content posted on their platforms google said well we don't really like this but okay we'll give

00:13:58.620 you 100 million dollars a year in order to uh get you off our backs i think meta simply decided they've

00:14:04.940 had enough and meta said fine we won't include any canadian news content on our platforms and here we are

00:14:11.580 now you know coming up on eight or nine months after that law was implemented and the clear winner here

00:14:17.820 uh has been meta and the reasons we can cite is first of all uh canadians and record numbers are still

00:14:24.220 signing up to meta properties to facebook instagram viewership readership usership of these platforms

00:14:30.380 hasn't declined and advertising revenue has continued to grow i think something like 19 year over year uh

00:14:37.500 compared to it because meta's always said it isn't a news platform it doesn't really see a lot of traffic

00:14:44.460 because of news content and in fact the people who really benefit from uh having news content posted on

00:14:51.180 instagram and facebook are the news companies who get vast more amounts of exposure and that's true

00:14:56.460 if you look at especially small and independent media outlets they've seen massive drops you know

00:15:02.940 calamitous drops in their exposure after the meta and in-depth ban getting them off facebook and instagram

00:15:10.060 so i think the government should pat itself on the back say job well done our our new law to help the

00:15:16.540 news industry has massively hurt the news industry that's a great job everybody gets a cigar the really

00:15:24.300 ridiculous thing about this story is that we all knew exactly how this was going to play out because

00:15:29.020 the same thing happened in australia a few years back when they wanted to legislate this type of thing

00:15:33.820 you know have facebook pay news companies for already giving them a benefit by me by being able to share

00:15:39.260 their you know their work on facebook's platform and receiving lots of clicks and visits to the

00:15:44.060 website that way when that happened you know facebook in australia just said okay we're not

00:15:47.820 going to allow link sharing anymore and they briefly banned it now they were able to come to a deal with

00:15:52.220 facebook at the time now meta and sort of work through that but here in canada we've just been

00:15:56.620 we haven't been able to overcome that we can share our news now i know a lot of people have been able to

00:16:01.020 find little work rounds a lot of people i know i maybe shouldn't even say them so meta doesn't get

00:16:05.020 wind but you know you might post a a picture on facebook and then post the link in the comments or

00:16:09.420 something and just say look in the the comments below but obviously you know for an outlet like

00:16:13.340 true north who we did get a lot of business from facebook we did get a lot of clicks from facebook

00:16:17.820 now we have to find all these silly workarounds the reality is when people are scrolling on social

00:16:21.660 media they're just looking very quickly and you got to have that attention you got to have that

00:16:25.500 headline that's going to grab their attention and cause them to actually click on that story and take

00:16:29.340 a look so i would assume that this has just been a massive blow for us as well as some of the other

00:16:34.060 independent media outlets that you mentioned sure rebel has experienced you know um drawbacks western

00:16:38.940 standard william obviously you sort of run the operations maybe you could speak to specifically

00:16:43.100 what the impact has been for us at true north not being able to share our work easily on platforms

00:16:48.220 like facebook yeah i you know it's interesting we obviously like everybody else used meta tools we used

00:16:55.260 facebook we used instagram to reach uh large swaths of canadians with our content uh i i would say uh one of

00:17:02.300 the things that was great about uh facebook is that it allowed you to get in front of a very large

00:17:08.700 audience uh millions and millions and millions of canadians use it every day and it allowed you to

00:17:13.900 drive traffic to your videos to your news stories and to your other content but when we saw this bill

00:17:20.620 coming we realized that it would be a problem for us that if we were too reliant on meta properties

00:17:27.100 uh for our for our content we would be in trouble so we invested in uh building up our email list in

00:17:33.660 growing on properties like x and on making sure that people were visiting our website directly rather

00:17:39.420 than simply linking through to it through facebook and instagram posts and as a result we've been far

00:17:44.540 less impacted than i think some other organizations have it's it's still an it's still an issue we're still

00:17:50.940 seeing a decline in some of our key metrics but overall we've been far less badly hurt than than

00:17:57.980 some other entities you have to ask yourself if the if the bill is hurting news companies why wouldn't

00:18:04.220 the government recall it why wouldn't they drop it or at least retool it substantially uh in order to

00:18:11.820 deal with some of these problems and it seems now that they're just locked in a in a bitter personal

00:18:16.460 feud with meta and uh in between a liberal government on life support and meta who has

00:18:22.700 record-breaking profits my money is on meta who's going to win this fight no one so william obviously

00:18:28.940 mentioned a personal feud there but obviously with independent media being so impacted by this band

00:18:34.380 do you think there's more of this do you think this is actually maliciousness on the liberal

00:18:37.580 government's part actively trying to harm independent media which has been so critical of their government

00:18:42.780 well i think it might be malicious on on behalf of the mainstream media who lobbied for this

00:18:50.060 legislation uh but i think it certainly is incompetence on the trudeau government's part i i

00:18:55.180 believe that you know no matter what they touch you know it just turn they have the reverse might

00:18:59.420 is touch instead of turning into gold it turns into uh human defecation so you know i i really think that

00:19:05.420 the the the liberals they tried their best uh to make this legislation help canadian news i mean that's what

00:19:11.580 they they claim to you know be trying to do as much as possible you know giving millions of dollars

00:19:17.180 in media bailouts uh and you know passing bill c11 and you know this bill c18 i think they generally

00:19:24.540 genuinely thought that you know meta and google would just you know dump their pockets in front of them

00:19:30.140 and you know give out a bunch of checks to news media who are failing but at the end of the day

00:19:35.260 you know this is legislation that uh hurts local news outlets first and foremost the trudeau government

00:19:41.100 they claim uh to want to be able to support uh local news and you know they give billions of

00:19:46.780 dollars to the cbc to you know support local news who actually don't support local news but that's

00:19:51.740 besides the point uh but you know the the studies show that uh local news outlets have seen a decline

00:19:57.660 in their audience by 86 percent uh and mainstream media they've only seen a decline about half that so it is

00:20:06.060 is definitely not a bill not left legislation uh that is helping uh local news outlets like the trudeau

00:20:12.380 government says uh and i think that you know the mainstream media when they lobbied for this

00:20:17.340 legislation they have their own lobby uh that uh sites like our companies like post media and four

00:20:23.340 star uh they all contribute to you know this organization that lobbies the government i believe that they

00:20:28.460 knew that you know even if uh meta banned um uh being being able to see canadian news on their platforms

00:20:35.900 they still have their newspaper subscriptions uh people still know who they are from their reputation

00:20:41.340 build up built up over decades so they're more likely to just directly visit their website uh there's

00:20:46.540 a lot of other uh areas in which uh these legacy media outlets can make money uh and they know that outlets

00:20:53.660 like true north and other local media outlets uh they don't have the same resources as them so uh

00:20:58.940 it's sort of like how when you increase the minimum wage walmart uh generally benefits because uh they

00:21:04.940 have less competition in the mom-and-pop shops and the small to medium-sized businesses so so i think

00:21:10.620 that you know if the trudeau government had sort of any integrity and wanted to follow through on their

00:21:16.140 plan to help uh news media they wouldn't uh you know continue uh making this uh legislation law they

00:21:23.180 would try and revoke this legislation and bring something forward that would actually help uh news

00:21:28.300 media although i don't want them to try and help news media anymore they've done enough uh they've

00:21:33.020 destroyed trust in these institutions by giving them hundreds of millions of dollars and they've

00:21:38.140 destroyed their ability to actually reach an audience so maybe if they didn't touch this file

00:21:42.380 anymore that'd be for the best and when you talk about how this has been so detrimental for

00:21:47.900 local news the irony of is of course that the liberals are spending so much particularly to bolster

00:21:52.940 local news we know they spend a lot on news media in general as you mentioned but they have sort of

00:21:56.540 a local journalism initiative you guys have probably seen this in the paper for audience if you're ever

00:22:00.780 reading a newspaper and you see beside the author's names it says in brackets local journalism initiative

00:22:06.220 that means that reporter salary is directly paid for by the federal government so while news media in

00:22:11.260 general receives hundreds of millions in funding and subsidies those positions are actually being paid

00:22:16.700 for directly so you know have to always take everything that you read legacy media with a grain of salt

00:22:21.660 but those positions are just being paid by the feds i think it's so wrong that we're seeing that and

00:22:26.140 yes now the federal government's spending all this money on these positions and at the same time that

00:22:30.700 they're making it impossible for canadians to find the work they're spending money paying for that

00:22:34.620 we're spending money to pay for because we're actually the taxpayers thank you this doesn't make

00:22:38.220 any sense at all william what do you think yeah i mean we've always said that if your job salary

00:22:45.500 is dependent on the government how on earth can you possibly fairly cover that government and hold

00:22:51.420 them to account your media outlet who relies on government subsidies government transfers government

00:22:56.700 funding in order to keep the lights on and make payroll how on earth can you critically cover that

00:23:02.380 government hold them to account because you know you you need them it's it's an abusive relationship

00:23:08.620 almost like between a drug addict and a drug dealer so um as you know speaking for true north we would

00:23:15.740 love nothing more than the government to fully get out of the news business to leave us alone to let us do

00:23:22.460 our thing and to uh stop meddling in something they clearly don't understand but uh i'm not optimistic

00:23:29.580 that we'll see any changes from this government they've they've said that uh you know they have no plans

00:23:34.780 on doing it but i'm optimistic that a future government may decide to roll back some of these

00:23:39.980 truly disastrous changes and let us get on with the business of uh reporting the facts and the truths

00:23:44.940 of canadians we're on the topic of social media we have a big story from tiktok about from the tip

00:23:51.660 from about tiktok this week a new report recommends that the canadian government forced tiktok to divest

00:23:57.260 from its chinese parent company bite dance or announce a national ban to secure canadians from surveillance 0.68

00:24:04.140 propaganda and predatory data collection from the communist regime the mcdonald laurier institute

00:24:10.300 reporter report titled china's glaring trojan horse recommends that the federal government mimic

00:24:15.500 the united states tiktok ban legislation by giving bite dance the option to either sell tiktok

00:24:19.980 to a suitable buyer or face a ban of the app in the country okay so we all know that tiktok has been

00:24:25.100 controversial because you know china's collecting so much data on the people that have it downloaded on

00:24:29.340 their phones and are using it do you think a ban would be in the best entrance of canadians no i'm

00:24:35.020 going to let you go first well i think this is a really uh a controversial issue because on one hand

00:24:43.260 we have to balance uh two principles one principle being order and the other being liberty the the on

00:24:48.540 the order side uh we do need to ensure that canada's national security is uh is its integrity is solid

00:24:56.140 um and when we have uh countries like china uh that are seeking to undermine canada's democracy canada's

00:25:02.700 institutions uh and undermine even sometimes the safety of certain canadians especially chinese

00:25:07.980 canadians when we have a government uh doing that in our country we need to take every step possible in

00:25:12.460 order to secure uh the integrity of our elections and the security of our people and one of the steps

00:25:17.660 that can be taken is by actually uh getting tiktok to be divested or banned and the reason being

00:25:24.060 is that tiktok uh they have a lot of mechanisms that is controlled by the ccp either directly or

00:25:30.380 indirectly that would allow them to manipulate sort of the information that is being promoted on that

00:25:35.660 platform for for example i think a lot of people have noticed that a lot of pro-palestinian content

00:25:40.940 is being promoted on tiktok and a lot of pro-israel content is not being promoted on tiktok and i believe

00:25:47.500 that one of the reasons for that is that it is in with it's within the chinese communist party's interest

00:25:53.580 to promote pro-palestinian content content that would divide canadians and uh get them to uh support

00:26:01.660 uh or autocratic islamic regime that uh you know engages in terrorism uh you uh in a unique uh in

00:26:09.660 a uniquely um often uh sort of manner so i think that yeah tiktok does pose a threat however there is

00:26:16.860 the uh the the the principle of liberty in that canadians should ought to be free to download

00:26:22.940 whatever apps and use whatever services that they want to use uh and i think that you know when uh

00:26:29.100 governments are going around banning certain uh social media platforms especially you know social

00:26:33.740 media is supposed to be uh the sort of new public square where people get together and share ideas

00:26:39.660 uh and share you know all sorts of things so when uh canadians are being restricted from accessing a

00:26:45.900 public square uh that is sort of uh something that should uh raise some concerns so i don't necessarily

00:26:52.140 have strong opinions uh on this i think you know if i were you know gun to my head you know choose

00:26:58.060 something i think i would uh go ahead with uh getting tiktok to be divested or have it banned but uh at the

00:27:05.180 the end of the day i think that this is something that canadians need to be uh yeah this is a process

00:27:10.460 that canadians need to be brought into i think that um canadians ought to be informed about the

00:27:14.860 benefits and the risk of keeping tiktok uh legal in canada uh and an informed decision should be made

00:27:20.540 from there yeah i mean and we talk about social media sort of being the new public square i feel

00:27:25.500 like that's mostly true of x where there is so many different types of opinions and freedom of expression

00:27:29.420 is actually allowed you know conservatives can actually speak on x without worry about their accounts

00:27:33.740 being banned the same can't really be said for facebook or obviously then as instagram and

00:27:37.820 certainly not tiktok in which conservative accounts are usually banned very quickly upon making an account

00:27:43.500 but one of the things to consider here is you know this report is sort of lauding the efforts in the

00:27:47.020 u.s to ban tiktok when we look at why the u.s wants to ban tiktok the we also have to look at

00:27:53.740 facebook if tiktok was banned that gives just that much more power to facebook which owns instagram as

00:27:58.780 we've mentioned you know a lot of young people are on instagram a lot of people are on facebook

00:28:02.940 without tiktok facebook basically controls everything and in the last u.s election cycle

00:28:07.500 we know that facebook was actively basically campaigning for the democrats they actively

00:28:11.340 suppress the hunter biden lap stop story on facebook so this would actually probably be a

00:28:15.980 bad thing for the republicans long term i wonder if the same thing can be said for canada would it be

00:28:21.340 a bad thing for the conservatives if tiktok was banned here william what do you think

00:28:26.460 you know it's such an interesting topic whether or not uh you know we should be looking at

00:28:31.420 banning or limiting one social media company versus the other i think probably the user base for

00:28:36.620 almost all of them is probably more skewing uh left than right more uh progressive than conservative

00:28:44.380 but uh occasionally i get invited to speak to grade 12 classes in social studies on uh politics and

00:28:51.580 government and uh you know one of the things i'm often told by by students they say well nothing

00:28:56.940 that's debated by politicians really matters to me i don't really care about this and i say well

00:29:01.900 what if they what if they ban tiktok how many of you have tiktok on your phone and of course every

00:29:07.900 single person in the class has tiktok on their phone so if you ever think the government can't impact your

00:29:13.340 your day-to-day life or something you personally enjoy wait till the government takes away one of your

00:29:18.140 your favorite apps and then see uh about it but just in terms of uh the security risk of tiktok

00:29:25.180 we know china is a bad actor we know that this is a country uh that has interfered in our elections 1.00

00:29:31.180 that has been caught spying on other companies through technology that was one of the big concerns we

00:29:37.660 had about huawei and their activities uh you know both here in canada and other places it isn't

00:29:44.220 beyond imagination that they could use an app like tiktok to um for nefarious purposes to collect

00:29:51.740 information and then to go ahead and use it in some way that is detrimental to uh canada and canadians

00:29:57.500 so you know on balance i think we we have to look and see what can be done to keep canadians safe and

00:30:04.540 we have to start approaching china more from the perspective that this is not a friendly government this

00:30:10.700 is not a government who wants to be an honest partner with canada this is government with an

00:30:15.580 agenda and uh it will move forward with that you know and if it means uh bad things for canada in

00:30:22.460 the process well then they're going to go right ahead and do that so china is not our friend china 1.00

00:30:27.420 is a foreign government that we need to be taking far more seriously than we have been up until now

00:30:33.260 i don't know if we're going to necessarily see that serious tone come from the liberal government

00:30:37.660 um this report also had an interesting note the prime minister and his cabinet could enforce this

00:30:42.620 measure without needing to pass any legislation through parliament they could instead simply invoke

00:30:46.860 the investment canada act which would bar investment considered an injurious to national security so it

00:30:53.260 wouldn't be that difficult for them to do this but we know that trudeau particularly hasn't taken

00:30:57.660 china seriously noah do you think we're going to see any movement from the federal government on this report

00:31:02.940 well i don't think so because i i don't think it's within the liberal government's political

00:31:08.620 interest uh and if it's not within their political interest they're not going to do within the best

00:31:13.180 interest of canadians and the reason being is that the trudeau government they're seen as being very

00:31:18.060 fickle uh and being very soft on matters of foreign interference and for them to uh you know stand up

00:31:25.180 at a press conference one day and say you know on on the switch of a dime we're taking this uh

00:31:30.060 issue very seriously you know we're coming uh and we're going to bad tick tock i think it would

00:31:34.940 you know magnify scrutiny over some of their uh actions to for example not deal with uh the hand

00:31:41.580 dong situation very seriously they knew uh that he was probably you know put in that position with the

00:31:48.620 help of the chinese government and they didn't take any action they didn't take any action against

00:31:53.500 foreign interference in the 2019 and the 2021 uh general elections so uh just to put a magnifying

00:32:00.700 glass on the foreign interference issue especially uh with china at this time where their government is

00:32:06.860 already facing a lot of scrutiny i think that it is not within uh their political interest so they're

00:32:12.060 not going uh to move on this issue but if the the trudeau government they have more information about

00:32:18.220 this than any of us uh so they they probably know more than anyone whether or not this is a genuine

00:32:24.700 uh issue uh to national security if this is there's a general threat to national security that tick tock

00:32:31.100 poses uh and if they knew that this was a threat to national security they probably ought to have acted

00:32:38.700 on this already just like they knew uh that foreign interference from china and iran and russia was a

00:32:44.140 threat um many many years ago so i think it would just uh put a magnifying glass on why they haven't

00:32:49.900 acted on this sooner why they haven't acted uh strongly on other uh matters of foreign interference

00:32:56.060 and ultimately i think it would tank their polling numbers uh even harder if that's even possible

00:33:03.020 all right we've talked about national security we've talked about meta we've talked about abortion

00:33:07.180 and i promised you guys that it was going to be a lighter show we haven't really delivered

00:33:10.380 luckily we did save one hilarious story for the very end that should make up for all the heavy

00:33:14.940 content that we had earlier in the show noah take it away all right so i'm glad to be talking about

00:33:22.380 this story because uh we're talking about group sex parties uh that's right there is this club in

00:33:29.100 calgary uh in 2015 that received a complaint uh to the city uh basically there was a complaint that there

00:33:36.060 was sex parties and it took the uh the city four years to act but after four years they they were

00:33:42.540 given a stop order because uh they were hosting at someone's home as someone's calgary home uh group

00:33:48.380 sex parties um you know the i guess the specific term is ethical non-monogamous uh sex parties at

00:33:55.260 uh this health house in the northwest uh community of silver springs and they called it club menage

00:34:01.020 um so on a bi-weekly basis every two weeks uh about 20 to 50 people will gather to this house

00:34:08.300 and um really uh duke it out you know that uh they'd go to town on one another uh and you know i think

00:34:15.660 this uh raises a lot of different concerns first of all about the type of um let's just say uh diseases

00:34:23.660 uh the type of uh uh immunity uh compromising sort of uh viruses that might be going around the

00:34:31.500 community uh but also just raises concerns that um you know your neighbor perhaps could just one day

00:34:38.140 decide to open a club uh beside your house and on a bi-weekly basis yet here strange noises coming out of

00:34:45.180 the top floor of their um home so i i believe a uh court they uh found that uh the city uh is not

00:34:56.380 necessarily allowed to if this was uh an establishment uh put up on commercial uh on a commercial property

00:35:03.820 that there would be no problem uh with club menage be opening the only problem with club menage is that

00:35:08.780 um they opened this uh this establishment uh in a residential uh area so uh guys i i don't necessarily

00:35:17.420 have much experience with sex parties so maybe you guys could provide some more insight into this uh

00:35:22.540 maybe uh you you can but william but um what what do you guys believe uh think of uh the sex parties in

00:35:30.140 uh resident in calgary's uh residential area well to start the judge actually ruled that these can

00:35:36.460 continue so long as it's not called a club if they're just sort of parties and not labeled club

00:35:40.700 they're allowed to continue but uh you know stories like these are pretty much why i'm a social

00:35:46.940 conservative not a libertarian i think that this should just be banned especially in a residential

00:35:51.660 area i can't imagine you know you've got a young family raising kids and this is sort of the depraved

00:35:57.260 activity that's going on next door you know as i said on my show alberta roundup uh today i think uh

00:36:02.940 you might see some homes go up for sale in silver springs and you might get one for cheap

00:36:07.020 because uh probably no one's going to want to live around this but uh you're certainly going

00:36:10.940 to be taking your share of hits for living there william what do you think yeah i mean if you walked

00:36:16.620 into that house i bet there's a home that has plastic on all the furniture uh 20 to 50 people

00:36:22.460 in a single home engaged in group sex activity that's uh that is definitely not a recipe for hygiene

00:36:28.940 uh look i i think that um you know generally we ask government to stay out of our our personal lives

00:36:37.020 and out of our homes and you know have they simply been having uh extracurricular fun with a smaller

00:36:45.180 group of people and not calling it a club uh i'm not sure anybody even would have noticed what was going

00:36:52.220 on it could have just looked like uh someone having a a party but uh you know the fact that there

00:36:58.620 are 20 to 50 people that's an awful lot of people think of the traffic uh i mean that's the size of a

00:37:05.420 of a university house party 50 people crammed into a single a single place that's quite a

00:37:10.700 disruptive activity and then to operate as a commercial enterprise um in a private home means

00:37:16.700 they're not having to adhere to any of the any of the rules that are established for commercial

00:37:21.820 enterprises with regards to to cleanliness and you know do you have enough bathrooms for 50 people

00:37:27.740 do you have uh all of the things that businesses would be held to so i'm not convinced that the

00:37:33.660 biggest issue was uh their choice of activity so much as the number of people involved and how

00:37:41.180 they charge to do it i mean they were charging is my understanding too they were charging quote unquote

00:37:46.140 membership fees to participate uh so it's interesting i guess um you know you never really know what goes

00:37:53.900 on in your neighbor's house you uh uh but if you see 50 people showing up every two weeks and uh

00:38:00.940 coming out with big smiles on their faces i guess maybe you should have an idea of what's going on

00:38:04.940 in northwest calvary i want to like i would have a council or a provincial legislature could legislate on

00:38:12.460 this matter i mean first of all the person drafting up the legislation would just be tearing their hair out and

00:38:19.180 you know it would it wouldn't be a great fun unless you're you're into this kind of thing then uh

00:38:24.060 you know it might be great fun but like do you just like if you're a neighbor of these people do

00:38:29.020 you like file a noise complaint like once once every two weeks do uh you know perhaps a lobby for a

00:38:35.580 bylaw to be passed where you're only allowed to have sex parties up to 25 people or something like

00:38:40.140 that you know to really keep it down if you're attending a sex party you're not allowed to park on the street

00:38:45.980 something like that maybe that'd be a a good way to discourage uh this sort of behavior but

00:38:52.140 you know what's even more concerning to me about the rather than just the sex parties that it took

00:38:56.540 the city four years to get around to this issue i mean the original complaint by neighbors was filed

00:39:02.380 in 2015 and then it took all the way until 2019 for a stop order uh to be issued by by the city i mean

00:39:09.900 imagine you're the neighbor you had to deal with that for four years straight and you ask the city four

00:39:14.860 years ago to to take some action on this and they just haven't done anything so you know uh once a

00:39:20.380 week on uh uh on every other friday night you know you're trying to sit down with your wife have some

00:39:26.060 wine eat a nice dinner and then you know you hear strange noises come from the left it's like oh yeah

00:39:31.580 that is well the good news is that they had they had four years to put their house up for sale and

00:39:36.780 even longer before this you know address the neighborhood became public before anyone else

00:39:40.620 what they were getting themselves into i think we need to support values yeah but if it decreases

00:39:46.300 proper value once everyone knew about it but beforehand i mean people who are coming to view

00:39:50.300 your home probably aren't coming to view it in the hours of 12 a.m to 4 a.m so still could have gone

00:39:55.980 out of there pretty easily all right everyone we're gonna have to come up with some more lighter

00:39:59.980 stories for you guys if you drop some suggestions in the comments below we'll take a look at that for

00:40:03.500 next week don't forget that everything you heard today was off the record

00:40:15.740 william if i made a tick tock account realistically how long do you think it would take before it got

00:40:19.660 banned well i my understanding is tick tock doesn't ban for political reasons very often in fact the

00:40:28.780 biggest thing that gets people banned from tick tock is nudity or sexually explicit content as with

00:40:35.740 every app there is a large cohort of people who use tick tock to sell adult services only fan

00:40:42.540 subscriptions and everything else like that so tick tock spends an awful lot of its time issuing

00:40:47.260 takedown orders to uh people who violate its nudity and sexuality things so as long as you're not doing

00:40:53.100 that you're probably fine i can't live during the sex parties that's that's unfortunate those ethical

00:40:58.780 non-monogamy parties are in trouble

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