Juno News - July 04, 2022


Liberals tease Covid vaccines every nine months


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Coming up, Canadian MPs want to take four days off in solidarity with American women, plus the moving goalposts of vaccination and Anne McElhenney on her new true crime podcast about America s most prolific serial killer. The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:10.740 Coming up, Canadian MPs want to take four-day weekends in solidarity with American women, 0.99
00:00:16.640 plus the moving goalposts of vaccination and Anne McElhenney on her new true crime podcast about America's most prolific serial killer.
00:00:24.780 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:28.000 Hello and welcome along, everyone. This is Canada's most irreverent talk show here on True North.
00:00:34.280 It is Monday, July 4th, 2022. Hope you are having a wonderful day. Hope you had a great long weekend.
00:00:42.320 And I mean, if you, I should start off here, if you work for New Democrat Member of Parliament Rachel Blaney,
00:00:48.900 you are still on your weekend. You're actually getting a four-day weekend.
00:00:52.720 I don't know if you saw this, but the new Democrat MP, I think she's from BC, tweeted out that she has instructed her staff
00:01:00.440 to close their offices on July 4th in solidarity with women in the USA and the world in support of reproductive freedoms
00:01:09.680 and in protest to the lack of access to abortion services.
00:01:14.280 Healthcare must include right to choose. People who are pregnant need to be safe.
00:01:20.360 So there's a lot to unpack here. For starters, people who are pregnant, come on. 1.00
00:01:25.000 She mentions women at the beginning and then eventually walks her way back to anyone who's pregnant. 0.86
00:01:30.280 So if you're a pregnant man out there, this is in solidarity with you too.
00:01:33.620 And we know basically half the men out there are pregnant in 2022.
00:01:37.480 But also the idea that when the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, in Canada, women are so triggered and parliamentary staff are so triggered
00:01:48.080 that they need a four-day summer weekend just to deal with it.
00:01:53.260 That's what's happening here.
00:01:54.540 So they already had Friday off because of Canada Day, but the Monday they can't go to work.
00:01:59.440 It's too upsetting that Roe v. Wade was overturned.
00:02:01.800 So all of the rest of us that have to work today, I'm thinking, hang on, why was True North not taking solidarity with women around the world
00:02:09.420 for their reproductive rights being taken away or something? 1.00
00:02:11.920 I'll celebrate anything. I'll take solidarity with absolutely anyone if I get a four-day weekend in the summer.
00:02:17.160 But no, here I am.
00:02:18.620 So you all have to put up with me today with another show, a 4th of July addition to the show.
00:02:23.520 I will not wish you a happy Independence Day because we did the Dominion Day thing last week.
00:02:27.920 So I'm not sure you're allowed to do Dominion Day and Independence Day.
00:02:31.360 But if you are an American tuning in, I guess I hope you have a good 4th of July.
00:02:37.000 We are in a bit of a different location, if you can't tell, but we're going to plug on, as we always do, on this program.
00:02:44.660 And I want to start off by talking about Jean-Yves Duclos, who's the federal health minister,
00:02:50.100 who's providing himself as the answer to the question, who is a worse health minister than Patty Hajdu?
00:02:56.540 Now, I've got to say, I didn't think anyone could compete in that league,
00:02:59.740 but Minister Duclos is showing great courage in his efforts to be a worse health minister than Patty Hajdu.
00:03:06.700 But at least he's being remarkably transparent.
00:03:09.900 We know that the government is right now seeing absolutely insane wait times at airports.
00:03:16.140 You've got baggage getting hauled up and delayed and lost.
00:03:20.000 And you've got baggage hauls that are loaded up for weeks and weeks and weeks as bags just turn up late
00:03:25.280 because there was no one there to process them.
00:03:27.880 Airport security lines are incredibly long.
00:03:30.620 People are getting flights cancelled.
00:03:32.440 Last week, Air Canada did what they didn't want to do for weeks previously,
00:03:36.780 which was start cancelling summer flights.
00:03:39.420 And the reason is, the government wasn't doing what it needed to do so that these flights could reliably go on.
00:03:45.720 Now, so Air Canada, if you've ever seen, and people tweeted pictures of this,
00:03:50.140 the customer service line at the airport,
00:03:52.280 this is where you go when your flight's been cancelled and you need to rebook at something
00:03:55.460 and they give you like the 30 cent food voucher to get you half a bite of a sandwich or something like that.
00:04:00.840 That's the customer service line.
00:04:02.600 So when your flight gets cancelled because the government couldn't staff the customs office,
00:04:07.760 the government couldn't staff the security line, all of this stuff,
00:04:10.940 it's the airline left holding the bag.
00:04:14.120 Now, I've got a lot of frustrations with Canadian airlines and with Air Canada.
00:04:17.780 So I'm not going to say that they're all lily white,
00:04:19.940 but I will say that I'm kind of sympathetic to Air Canada on this 0.90
00:04:23.960 when they say that they can't, they're the ones that get screwed
00:04:27.400 when the government is not doing what it can to keep people moving and to get people through.
00:04:31.980 So Air Canada, they want to make money.
00:04:33.740 They've had to start cancelling flights
00:04:35.600 and they've had to actually do all of this stuff because the government can't.
00:04:40.820 So this is coming days after then
00:04:43.020 and the government is still not claiming that it's the problem here.
00:04:46.640 The government is not admitting that it is at fault.
00:04:50.380 And one point that I'm going to bring up to this effect
00:04:52.520 is all of the intersection that's going on here.
00:04:56.520 It's not one thing.
00:04:57.720 It's CBSA, border officers.
00:04:59.740 It's CAATSA, security officers.
00:05:01.700 It's the flow.
00:05:03.240 It's the vaccine requirements.
00:05:04.880 It's ArriveCan.
00:05:06.440 ArriveCan is here to stay.
00:05:08.420 And the government hasn't admitted this.
00:05:10.280 The government hasn't acknowledged it.
00:05:12.220 Last week, Omar Al-Ghabra, who's the transport minister,
00:05:14.840 talked about all the things they're doing with ArriveCan.
00:05:17.380 And if you look at it, it's clear it's not going away.
00:05:20.920 This thing that was brought in simply for COVID
00:05:23.540 is now becoming a permanent fixture
00:05:25.940 where if you want to enter your own country,
00:05:28.520 you have to log all your details on this app
00:05:30.900 and get a little passcode
00:05:32.080 that you can give to the border officer.
00:05:34.040 And if you don't, you will be fined.
00:05:36.760 So Jean-Yves Duclos, he said,
00:05:38.760 ArriveCan's working.
00:05:40.040 ArriveCan's actually making it quicker for people
00:05:42.480 to go through the customs lines.
00:05:44.280 That's what he says.
00:05:45.000 ArriveCan's actually making things easier.
00:05:47.760 So I've used ArriveCan a number of times.
00:05:49.920 You have to when you're coming back into the country 1.00
00:05:51.820 or you get fined.
00:05:53.200 And it used to be about you just log all your information.
00:05:56.160 And now what they're trying to do,
00:05:57.780 and this is what Omar Al-Ghabra was talking about last week,
00:06:00.340 they're trying to integrate it with your customs clearing.
00:06:03.000 So the questions that you have to answer,
00:06:05.360 do you have any fruit and vegetables?
00:06:07.240 Have you been to a farm?
00:06:08.200 Stuff like that is now going to be part of ArriveCan.
00:06:11.680 So what the government gets with ArriveCan
00:06:13.720 is advanced knowledge of those
00:06:16.160 who are coming to Canadian borders.
00:06:18.420 It's supposed to be as a Canadian citizen, 0.62
00:06:20.980 you're supposed to be able to show up at a Canadian border
00:06:22.800 and say, here's my Canadian passport,
00:06:24.880 let me in, and that's enough.
00:06:26.840 Because the government cannot deny you entry
00:06:29.080 to your own country.
00:06:30.060 But they can make your life miserable
00:06:32.180 and they can fine you.
00:06:33.280 And this is what they're doing right now.
00:06:34.860 They're saying, oh yeah, if you come in as a Canadian
00:06:36.780 and you haven't done ArriveCan, we'll let you in.
00:06:39.180 But we're going to make you pay like $5,000
00:06:41.220 for the privilege of entering your own country
00:06:43.800 without using the government's creepy
00:06:45.440 ArriveCan tracking app.
00:06:49.020 And the reason I bring this up
00:06:50.840 is because there should not be barriers
00:06:53.100 to enter your own country.
00:06:54.500 So this is now becoming
00:06:57.340 an electronic travel authorization
00:07:00.180 for Canadians to go into their own country.
00:07:05.380 An ETA is what you're supposed to get
00:07:07.080 when you travel to a foreign country.
00:07:09.860 And now we're effectively making Canadians 0.98
00:07:12.420 do this for themselves.
00:07:14.580 And it means that when you go through
00:07:16.100 and you scan your passport or your Nexus card,
00:07:18.220 they already have all of your information
00:07:19.900 because you had to log it ahead of time on the app.
00:07:22.360 Because I've had people say,
00:07:23.180 well, they aren't even asking for my ArriveCan
00:07:24.960 at the border after I've gone through
00:07:26.300 the effort of doing it.
00:07:27.440 They don't need to
00:07:28.280 because you're already in their system
00:07:30.080 and it's linked to your passport or Nexus card.
00:07:32.620 So when they swipe those,
00:07:33.940 all of these things that you put in come up.
00:07:36.100 And yeah, it makes things very convenient
00:07:37.580 if you're the border officer.
00:07:40.500 But what purpose does it serve
00:07:42.060 for a Canadian coming through?
00:07:45.360 The issue is not ArriveCan.
00:07:47.800 The government says ArriveCan's making it better.
00:07:49.880 No, it's adding one more hurdle,
00:07:51.620 one more difficulty.
00:07:52.760 And this thing is not, by the way,
00:07:54.320 reliable for a lot of people,
00:07:55.760 especially folks that aren't as adept at apps
00:07:57.920 or computers that all of a sudden
00:07:59.240 have to go through this process
00:08:00.560 when they're overseas.
00:08:02.000 One big thing is that I will not,
00:08:04.380 and I would encourage all of you
00:08:05.600 to take on this as well,
00:08:07.120 I will not ever hand my unlocked phone
00:08:10.200 over to a border guard.
00:08:12.520 I simply will not do it.
00:08:14.360 People's phones are their lives now.
00:08:16.060 I am never going to hand my unlocked phone over.
00:08:17.940 And it's not that I have anything to hide on there.
00:08:19.400 It's a matter of principle.
00:08:21.180 So I'm not going to get my ArriveCan up
00:08:23.220 and then hand that phone over,
00:08:25.280 which means anytime I do need that printed proof of it,
00:08:28.820 I have to find a printer,
00:08:30.320 which is not easy to do when you're traveling.
00:08:32.880 It's not easy to do when you're in hotels
00:08:34.400 to find that printer
00:08:35.280 because the alternative is having to hand over your phone,
00:08:38.620 which again, I would encourage people not to do.
00:08:41.080 But the whole thing is,
00:08:43.580 right now we're talking about this thing
00:08:45.420 that is only getting more cemented.
00:08:47.520 Government does not do temporary.
00:08:50.340 Which brings us back to vaccination.
00:08:52.400 And I go back to Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos on this,
00:08:55.240 who's already talking about
00:08:56.700 what we feared is happening all along,
00:08:58.820 that fully vaccinated doesn't actually mean anything anymore.
00:09:02.500 But my message today, more specifically,
00:09:05.900 is for those that haven't yet received their first booster.
00:09:10.100 The immunity conferred by a primary series of two doses
00:09:14.040 of vaccines administered in 2021 has now waned.
00:09:19.160 While you might have gotten infected,
00:09:22.400 risk is high.
00:09:23.660 You could get reinfected with all the downfall,
00:09:27.720 including the risk of developing symptoms of long COVID.
00:09:31.180 As health experts and physicians will tell you,
00:09:36.220 it's critical that you go and get the shot
00:09:38.820 that's waiting for you.
00:09:40.180 And the government,
00:09:41.260 which has suspended its vaccine mandate for air travel,
00:09:44.240 may be bringing it back.
00:09:46.240 But oh no, no, no, it won't be if you've had two doses.
00:09:50.240 You'll note that they haven't actually talked
00:09:52.160 about fully vaccinated in a little while.
00:09:55.000 And Jean-Yves Duclos, I use his own comments on this,
00:09:57.520 originally reported in La Presse.
00:09:59.380 They're no longer talking about fully vaccinated.
00:10:02.400 They're talking about up-to-date.
00:10:05.120 Now this is an incredibly important distinction.
00:10:08.060 It's not about having the second dose of a two-dote regimen.
00:10:11.140 It's about your vaccines being up-to-date.
00:10:13.440 And what he says is that fully vaccinated,
00:10:17.020 it no longer works with two doses.
00:10:18.940 He says we have to normalize the science.
00:10:21.980 And normalizing means nine months since your last dose.
00:10:26.980 Nine months since your last dose.
00:10:28.480 So this means that more than once a year,
00:10:31.600 you will have to get a COVID booster until when?
00:10:34.200 Until the end of time for the next five years,
00:10:35.980 the next two years, but nine months.
00:10:37.780 Now NACI, the National Advisory Committee on Immunization,
00:10:41.460 they've said a six-month interval
00:10:44.080 between the second dose and booster dose.
00:10:46.220 So that would be twice a year,
00:10:48.340 every six months perhaps,
00:10:50.040 that you would need to get boosted
00:10:52.100 in order for the government to view
00:10:55.140 that your vaccines are up-to-date.
00:10:59.320 So this means that there's no such thing
00:11:01.920 as fully vaccinated.
00:11:04.480 Because if you just decide,
00:11:05.980 oh, you know, I've been busy working,
00:11:07.320 I haven't gotten a vaccine in the last nine months,
00:11:09.480 and you want to travel,
00:11:10.320 all of a sudden, oh no, I can't
00:11:11.740 because the government says
00:11:12.740 my vaccines aren't up-to-date anymore.
00:11:14.860 And what they're doing here
00:11:18.140 is not even promoting a vaccine.
00:11:20.700 When you need to get it every nine months,
00:11:22.300 this is not a vaccine.
00:11:23.320 It's a chronic health treatment.
00:11:26.780 But what they're doing is setting the stage
00:11:29.360 for this becoming a permanent part of life.
00:11:33.500 The people that stayed home to save lives,
00:11:35.980 that wore their masks,
00:11:36.920 that got their vaccine,
00:11:38.280 that got their second vaccine,
00:11:39.720 that even got boosted,
00:11:41.380 are now being told
00:11:42.560 they're just going to be those dirty, 1.00
00:11:43.820 racist, misogynist, 1.00
00:11:45.180 anti-vaxxer, unvaccinated people 0.96
00:11:47.380 if they haven't gotten their,
00:11:49.200 you know, 17th jab in 2042,
00:11:52.460 or however the math adds up.
00:11:53.920 No, no, no.
00:11:54.420 We'll have our 17,
00:11:55.500 because if everyone's had to have
00:11:56.540 their third jab by now,
00:11:58.100 and we go every six months,
00:11:59.420 your 17th jab will be in like eight years' time.
00:12:03.180 So by 2030,
00:12:04.560 if you haven't had your 17th jab yet,
00:12:06.720 you're going to be one of those
00:12:07.660 unvaccinated, anti-vaxxer, 0.98
00:12:09.340 racist, fringe minority types
00:12:10.920 that Justin Trudeau has been warning us about
00:12:12.900 for the last two years.
00:12:15.300 This is despicable,
00:12:17.140 and it's not a vaccination at that point.
00:12:19.120 It serves no public health purpose.
00:12:21.360 They're couching this in terms of science.
00:12:24.180 In terms of science,
00:12:25.360 this is all about following the science.
00:12:26.960 The science says we have to get
00:12:28.300 a fresh COVID jab every nine months.
00:12:30.360 So everyone, you look around right now,
00:12:31.840 everyone's getting COVID again.
00:12:33.540 It's reminding us a lot of what was happening
00:12:35.440 back in December
00:12:36.480 when the Omicron wave was coming,
00:12:39.040 and everyone was getting sick,
00:12:40.140 and they'd have the sniffles.
00:12:41.140 They'd take a couple days off work.
00:12:43.080 It seemed like everyone got it,
00:12:44.400 and then they all moved on.
00:12:46.220 We're going through another one
00:12:47.500 of those periods right now
00:12:48.580 where a lot of people are getting it.
00:12:50.580 They're getting over it very quickly,
00:12:52.140 but they're telling us about all this
00:12:54.120 because they're trying to set the stage
00:12:55.580 for more,
00:12:56.360 for a return of restrictions in the fall.
00:12:58.580 And even when these travel mandates
00:13:01.480 and travel restrictions
00:13:02.480 have been lifted by governments now,
00:13:04.180 you'll know they're only saying
00:13:05.720 they're suspended.
00:13:07.400 They're suspended.
00:13:08.660 We'll have to re-evaluate.
00:13:10.020 It was a few weeks ago
00:13:10.920 that the government said
00:13:11.780 there was a transition underway
00:13:14.000 about what fully vaccinated meant,
00:13:16.040 and it's only been in the last couple days
00:13:17.980 that Jean-Yves Duclos has admitted
00:13:19.440 what that's going to mean.
00:13:21.620 Boosters every nine months
00:13:23.000 or you're not vaccinated.
00:13:25.280 And again, I want to make clear,
00:13:26.280 they've not announced this as formal policy yet.
00:13:28.880 They're floating the little test balloon.
00:13:31.440 They're telling us what they're working on,
00:13:33.080 telling us what they're considering.
00:13:35.680 And they've said,
00:13:36.980 what they have said
00:13:37.620 is that they're going to re-evaluate in the fall.
00:13:40.100 And we know there's going to be an uptick in fall.
00:13:42.500 The closer we get to flu season,
00:13:44.500 every single year people get sick.
00:13:48.400 But all these governments that were saying,
00:13:50.460 no, no, no, we're open for summer,
00:13:51.700 we're dropping restrictions,
00:13:52.960 you know in the fall
00:13:54.000 they're going to be looking at a return of all of this.
00:13:57.080 A return of vaccine passports, 0.99
00:13:59.420 a return of vaccine mandates for staff,
00:14:01.900 for traveling, for all of these things.
00:14:03.540 A return of all of these restrictions
00:14:05.800 that right now we're all supposed to believe
00:14:08.980 are all gone,
00:14:09.660 that we're living free,
00:14:10.460 that we beat it.
00:14:11.400 All those people that showed up in Ottawa
00:14:13.160 on Canada Day,
00:14:14.300 they were criticized.
00:14:15.320 What are they even protesting?
00:14:16.400 Life's back to normal.
00:14:17.360 Things have reopened.
00:14:18.260 There are no mandates.
00:14:19.160 There are no passports.
00:14:20.260 Well, the joke will be on you in the fall.
00:14:23.220 When all of this stuff comes back with a vengeance,
00:14:25.500 and the 50% of Canadians who haven't gotten boosted,
00:14:29.000 who got their two shots,
00:14:30.540 are going to be to the federal government unvaccinated.
00:14:34.160 Absolutely absurd.
00:14:36.480 I'm going to change gears entirely here.
00:14:38.240 Speaking of solidarity with the women of the United States,
00:14:42.040 and sorry,
00:14:42.620 people who get pregnant.
00:14:43.940 I don't want to be insensitive here,
00:14:45.840 or phobic of anything.
00:14:47.060 The people who get pregnant. 0.97
00:14:48.140 Well, a lot of talk about Roe v. Wade
00:14:50.260 and importing American conflict
00:14:52.900 and American debate
00:14:53.820 and American politics.
00:14:55.100 Look, I love American politics.
00:14:56.820 I love news from around the world.
00:14:58.700 We have enough of our own political battles here.
00:15:01.100 We don't need to start fighting
00:15:02.460 against the U.S. Supreme Court
00:15:03.920 in Canadian Parliament.
00:15:05.800 I wanted to have an adjacent discussion to this, though.
00:15:09.120 One name that you may not know,
00:15:11.240 and you should know,
00:15:12.340 is Kermit Gosnell.
00:15:14.040 Kermit Gosnell is,
00:15:15.340 in the eyes of Anne McElhenney and Phelan McAleer,
00:15:18.440 a tremendous duo of authors and filmmakers,
00:15:21.080 the most prolific serial killer
00:15:23.400 the United States has ever had.
00:15:25.560 And you may think,
00:15:26.160 well, how do I not know that name?
00:15:27.400 And some of you may know that name.
00:15:28.920 He was an abortion doctor.
00:15:30.620 And he did horrific, horrific things
00:15:33.460 to unborn children,
00:15:35.320 some of which he delivered,
00:15:36.640 some of which he didn't,
00:15:38.040 all under the guise of being
00:15:39.980 the friendly neighborhood abortion doctor
00:15:41.800 in a poor part of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
00:15:45.960 And when he was eventually charged,
00:15:49.160 and we started to see details of the crimes
00:15:51.480 that this man had committed,
00:15:53.040 no one in the media wanted to pay attention.
00:15:55.920 Why?
00:15:56.280 Because he's an abortion doctor.
00:15:58.840 They didn't want to cast him in a bad light.
00:16:00.760 They didn't want to be controversial.
00:16:02.160 They didn't want to go down that road.
00:16:03.980 And two people who did
00:16:05.120 were Anne McElhenney and Phelan McAleer,
00:16:07.240 who did tremendous work.
00:16:08.420 They literally wrote the book on the guy,
00:16:10.080 which you can see on the screen there,
00:16:11.560 and later turned that into a true crime movie,
00:16:14.440 which I would encourage you to watch.
00:16:16.240 It's not just an important story,
00:16:17.700 but it's first and foremost,
00:16:19.000 a well-done movie
00:16:20.260 and a thriller about a topic,
00:16:22.320 a crime thriller about a topic
00:16:23.840 that very much needed that Hollywood treatment.
00:16:26.240 But of course,
00:16:26.780 I mean, all the Hollywood bigwigs
00:16:28.020 looked away from them.
00:16:29.300 Thankfully, they got a great cast.
00:16:30.860 They had Dean Cain
00:16:31.640 and some other folks as well
00:16:32.880 that stepped up
00:16:34.100 and took part in that movie.
00:16:35.620 Now they are putting new life
00:16:37.580 into this story
00:16:38.400 in a true crime podcast.
00:16:40.240 And they're all the rage right now.
00:16:41.900 The podcast is called
00:16:43.040 Serial Killer,
00:16:44.060 a true crime podcast.
00:16:45.720 I caught up last week
00:16:46.740 with Anne McElhenney,
00:16:48.200 the filmmaker, author, producer,
00:16:50.740 and narrator of the podcast.
00:16:52.960 Anne, always good to talk to you.
00:16:54.100 Thanks for coming on today.
00:16:55.700 Thank you so much.
00:16:56.600 I really appreciate being on, Andrew.
00:16:58.260 Now, as I was just saying
00:16:59.420 in your intro there,
00:17:00.680 you pretty much do everything.
00:17:02.480 Books, movies, documentaries, podcasts.
00:17:05.580 True crime, though,
00:17:06.780 this is something that,
00:17:08.220 I mean, it's very trendy now,
00:17:10.280 but you've been doing true crime
00:17:11.720 since before everyone
00:17:12.720 was doing true crime
00:17:13.780 in a lot of ways.
00:17:15.120 Yeah, well, I mean,
00:17:16.220 it's very interesting,
00:17:17.640 true crime,
00:17:18.140 how huge it is, by the way.
00:17:19.260 Obviously, in the podcast world,
00:17:20.700 you have series like NPR's Serial,
00:17:24.940 which was downloaded
00:17:25.620 450 million times,
00:17:28.160 Dr. Death,
00:17:29.340 you know, Dirty John, etc.
00:17:31.240 And we realized, you know,
00:17:32.660 actually, we have a true crime story.
00:17:34.660 You know, the Gosnell case,
00:17:37.200 which at the time
00:17:38.220 when we started doing that story,
00:17:40.360 we interviewed all kinds of people.
00:17:42.300 And we had these tapes
00:17:43.100 of these interviews.
00:17:43.820 And we thought,
00:17:44.520 you know something,
00:17:45.160 this would make an amazing interview.
00:17:46.920 This would be amazing
00:17:47.560 to listen to as a podcast.
00:17:49.880 And it really is.
00:17:51.800 And it's six episodes long
00:17:52.980 and we're launching it,
00:17:54.000 you know, imminently today
00:17:56.080 or tomorrow.
00:17:56.640 I think it's,
00:17:58.320 I don't know what day
00:17:58.960 this is going out,
00:17:59.740 but basically,
00:18:00.440 it'll be Thursday
00:18:02.120 of this week
00:18:03.600 that we're launching.
00:18:04.620 And, you know,
00:18:05.180 it's an extraordinarily important story,
00:18:06.760 particularly at this time
00:18:07.640 in American history.
00:18:09.820 Yeah, and I want to ask
00:18:11.120 about the podcast in a moment,
00:18:12.760 but I want to just go back
00:18:14.060 to the beginning
00:18:14.720 because for people
00:18:15.520 that didn't cover
00:18:16.600 or didn't follow
00:18:17.980 the Gosnell case,
00:18:19.280 it was,
00:18:20.140 I would say,
00:18:20.900 very easy to not do it
00:18:22.320 because there was,
00:18:23.200 as you noted in your movie,
00:18:24.520 in your book,
00:18:25.040 this mainstream media blackout
00:18:26.960 on this thing,
00:18:28.580 which would have been
00:18:29.480 by any other standard
00:18:30.440 and was by any other standard,
00:18:31.760 as you've said,
00:18:32.380 the most prolific serial killer
00:18:34.080 in American history.
00:18:35.760 And it was impossible
00:18:36.960 to get the usual suspects
00:18:38.700 to pay attention to it.
00:18:40.560 Yeah, I mean,
00:18:41.260 you know,
00:18:41.620 it's very interesting
00:18:42.860 what the media can do,
00:18:44.020 you know,
00:18:44.180 they'll say things like,
00:18:44.940 so the New York Times,
00:18:45.840 you know,
00:18:46.080 can say,
00:18:46.740 oh, we covered it,
00:18:47.820 you know,
00:18:48.200 but there's covered
00:18:48.940 and then there's covered,
00:18:50.420 right?
00:18:50.900 So Michael Brown,
00:18:51.960 you know,
00:18:52.560 everyone on the planet Earth
00:18:53.740 has heard of Michael Brown,
00:18:55.180 you know,
00:18:55.440 Trayvon Martin,
00:18:56.360 George Floyd,
00:18:57.120 the whole world
00:18:57.780 has heard those names
00:18:58.560 and these are individuals.
00:18:59.960 This is a case
00:19:00.560 with multiple deaths,
00:19:02.200 you know,
00:19:02.440 a serial killer of children
00:19:03.620 happening not in a backwater
00:19:05.980 in very progressive Pennsylvania
00:19:07.620 and yet the media
00:19:08.560 didn't turn up
00:19:09.320 and they didn't turn up
00:19:10.420 because the subject
00:19:11.180 at the very center of this
00:19:12.180 is the darling of the left,
00:19:13.720 the darling of,
00:19:14.440 you know,
00:19:15.300 leftists
00:19:15.800 is abortion,
00:19:17.060 their sacred cow.
00:19:18.180 So they covered up for it
00:19:19.660 and it's interesting,
00:19:20.440 you know,
00:19:20.580 even the people involved
00:19:21.620 in the case,
00:19:22.220 the assistant district attorneys,
00:19:24.060 they expected the court
00:19:26.020 to be packed with journalists
00:19:27.760 so they actually reserved
00:19:29.200 one of the largest courtrooms
00:19:30.820 in Philadelphia
00:19:32.180 and it was like
00:19:33.400 the Mary Celeste,
00:19:34.420 there was no one there
00:19:35.240 and in any measure
00:19:36.800 of any journalistic measure
00:19:38.880 of any kind,
00:19:40.260 this story
00:19:41.160 had massive importance,
00:19:44.160 you know,
00:19:44.400 even from a public health
00:19:45.640 point of view
00:19:46.300 that there was
00:19:47.020 a medical facility
00:19:47.840 that was this filthy
00:19:48.880 operating in America
00:19:50.180 in this century
00:19:51.400 and hadn't been inspected
00:19:53.580 by anyone
00:19:54.240 from the Department of Health
00:19:55.140 for 17 years
00:19:56.500 even though two women 0.81
00:19:57.520 had died.
00:19:58.460 Both of them,
00:19:59.200 by the way,
00:19:59.680 one of them,
00:20:00.360 you know,
00:20:00.680 an African-American woman,
00:20:02.120 the other woman,
00:20:02.780 a refugee from Bhutan
00:20:04.440 who had spent 20 years
00:20:06.000 in a refugee camp
00:20:07.100 in Nepal,
00:20:08.000 you know,
00:20:08.200 that these people
00:20:09.560 had been thrown
00:20:10.160 under the bus
00:20:10.680 by the system
00:20:11.380 in Philadelphia
00:20:12.020 and in Pennsylvania
00:20:13.200 that no one
00:20:14.140 had investigated
00:20:14.760 those deaths.
00:20:15.680 It's incredible.
00:20:16.800 I mean,
00:20:17.060 it's a travesty
00:20:18.400 and by the way,
00:20:19.600 we have no information
00:20:21.820 that would indicate
00:20:22.820 that anything has changed.
00:20:25.680 Well,
00:20:26.180 let me ask you
00:20:26.900 about that,
00:20:27.380 Anne,
00:20:27.460 because I think
00:20:28.040 the most,
00:20:28.920 I mean,
00:20:29.120 if you're a pro-abortion
00:20:30.720 rights person,
00:20:32.040 the most logical
00:20:33.540 response to this
00:20:34.440 is,
00:20:34.640 well,
00:20:34.720 that's not abortion, 1.00
00:20:35.700 that was just him.
00:20:36.780 That's not representative
00:20:38.440 of this thing
00:20:39.720 and I remember
00:20:40.300 there was a chilling
00:20:41.240 scene in the
00:20:42.000 movie which was,
00:20:43.540 I believe,
00:20:43.820 almost verbatim
00:20:44.680 from the trial
00:20:45.500 of an abortion doctor
00:20:46.820 testifying about how
00:20:48.140 the stuff that he was doing
00:20:49.640 that we all saw
00:20:50.560 as so brutal
00:20:51.300 and, you know,
00:20:52.820 basically just murderous
00:20:54.500 was actually part and parcel
00:20:56.620 of standard abortion practice
00:20:58.640 in the United States
00:20:59.700 and I would presume
00:21:00.500 in Canada as well.
00:21:01.860 So you can draw a line,
00:21:04.020 it sounds like you're saying,
00:21:05.120 from what Gosnell did
00:21:06.280 to abortion
00:21:07.800 that is legal.
00:21:09.300 A hundred percent.
00:21:10.260 That's a really great question,
00:21:11.540 actually.
00:21:11.740 You're spot on there,
00:21:12.940 Andrew,
00:21:13.160 because, you know,
00:21:14.200 yeah,
00:21:14.540 this is what the pro-abortion
00:21:15.760 activists would say,
00:21:17.100 oh, this is an outlier,
00:21:18.260 this doesn't inform us
00:21:20.140 about anything.
00:21:21.220 It informs us
00:21:21.900 about a lot of stuff.
00:21:23.260 One of the things
00:21:23.860 pro-abortion activists,
00:21:24.900 by the way,
00:21:25.280 say is that,
00:21:26.060 you know,
00:21:26.640 second and third trimester
00:21:27.840 abortions are, 1.00
00:21:28.720 like, really extreme
00:21:29.620 and they just don't
00:21:30.420 really happen.
00:21:31.020 Well,
00:21:31.420 even based on
00:21:32.880 pro-abortion activists' 0.63
00:21:35.120 own research,
00:21:36.600 we know that
00:21:37.200 second and third trimesters
00:21:38.580 are happening,
00:21:39.760 tens of thousands
00:21:41.560 of them
00:21:42.060 and all those numbers
00:21:43.100 are not exaggerated
00:21:43.820 because all those numbers,
00:21:45.560 you're not required
00:21:46.200 to even report.
00:21:47.500 We know,
00:21:47.940 for example,
00:21:48.500 that Gosnell
00:21:49.500 was routinely doing
00:21:51.400 abortions
00:21:52.280 at the second
00:21:52.780 and third trimester
00:21:53.700 and in his case, 0.96
00:21:55.400 he was killing them, 0.99
00:21:56.320 but those women 1.00
00:21:56.800 were turning up.
00:21:57.900 Those women were turning up 1.00
00:21:59.020 who were pregnant,
00:21:59.740 who were very,
00:22:00.720 very, very pregnant.
00:22:02.140 So if they weren't
00:22:02.680 turning up to him,
00:22:03.360 they were going to
00:22:03.620 turn up somewhere else.
00:22:04.780 And there is no suggestion,
00:22:06.980 not in anything
00:22:07.960 I've ever done
00:22:08.900 in this case,
00:22:09.440 working on it
00:22:09.940 for years now,
00:22:11.040 I have never heard
00:22:12.160 of one case
00:22:13.400 of a woman
00:22:14.440 in a fetal,
00:22:15.420 you know,
00:22:15.620 where she had some
00:22:16.080 kind of fetal anomaly
00:22:16.900 or where there was
00:22:17.460 any kind of,
00:22:18.340 anything wrong with the baby
00:22:19.420 or any kind of health issue,
00:22:20.500 never,
00:22:20.960 never an inkling of that.
00:22:22.840 And yet these women 0.99
00:22:23.540 were turning up
00:22:24.100 and he was making
00:22:24.680 millions from it.
00:22:25.740 So this does
00:22:26.400 actually open a window
00:22:28.360 to what's going on,
00:22:29.380 what's legal in America
00:22:30.700 and legal,
00:22:31.660 as you say,
00:22:32.100 in Canada.
00:22:33.180 But you also point out
00:22:34.400 a really,
00:22:34.820 I mean,
00:22:35.480 what you just said there,
00:22:36.720 it's so interesting.
00:22:37.600 Like,
00:22:37.700 so that moment in the movie,
00:22:39.140 that moment in the trial,
00:22:41.220 you know,
00:22:41.660 it is verbatim.
00:22:44.360 An abortion doctor 0.93
00:22:45.440 called Karen Fusiline
00:22:46.480 came in,
00:22:47.060 gave evidence,
00:22:47.680 was asked,
00:22:48.540 you know,
00:22:48.720 when you're doing this right,
00:22:50.500 how do you do it?
00:22:51.540 And she described it.
00:22:53.120 And I can tell you
00:22:54.340 the journalists
00:22:54.940 that were there that day
00:22:56.420 were scratching their head,
00:22:57.780 including Phelan McAleer,
00:22:58.840 my husband,
00:22:59.580 who was like,
00:23:00.160 oh my God.
00:23:01.240 And when we read that,
00:23:02.500 when I read that transcript,
00:23:03.620 when he told me about that,
00:23:05.820 that was what made us decide
00:23:07.180 to make the movie.
00:23:08.080 That's what made us decide
00:23:09.000 to write the book
00:23:09.640 because we thought,
00:23:10.920 well,
00:23:11.120 we're very informed.
00:23:12.540 You know what I mean?
00:23:13.120 Like,
00:23:13.480 you know,
00:23:13.740 we're not,
00:23:14.320 our heads aren't in the sand.
00:23:15.700 We're very interested in stuff.
00:23:17.000 We didn't know.
00:23:17.840 And if we don't know,
00:23:19.140 who knows,
00:23:20.040 right?
00:23:21.140 So we thought,
00:23:22.000 you know,
00:23:22.260 this is incredibly important
00:23:23.220 to get this kind of information
00:23:24.260 in front of people
00:23:24.900 because people don't know.
00:23:26.220 People genuinely don't know.
00:23:27.300 And I actually think
00:23:27.960 a lot of people
00:23:28.460 who are very pro-abortion
00:23:29.900 don't know.
00:23:31.260 And I know that
00:23:32.180 because of the response
00:23:33.120 we got from the movie.
00:23:34.020 We had people
00:23:34.580 who were pro-abortion
00:23:35.720 who saw the movie accidentally
00:23:37.440 because it was,
00:23:38.160 again,
00:23:38.340 a true crime movie
00:23:39.240 and people love crime.
00:23:40.260 And they were like,
00:23:42.800 oh my God,
00:23:43.300 I didn't know this.
00:23:44.160 I didn't know.
00:23:44.900 I didn't know.
00:23:45.900 And I'm totally changed.
00:23:47.240 I'm totally changed
00:23:48.520 in 90 minutes.
00:23:49.300 We know people.
00:23:50.140 People have written to us
00:23:51.120 and people also tell,
00:23:52.500 we have news reports
00:23:53.720 of people.
00:23:54.500 Patrick Kurelesch,
00:23:55.400 a media entrepreneur
00:23:56.880 here in Los Angeles
00:23:58.140 who wrote and said,
00:23:59.640 in 90 minutes,
00:24:00.400 you totally changed
00:24:01.100 my mind about abortion.
00:24:02.440 So this is the power
00:24:03.300 of this podcast
00:24:05.020 is to shed light
00:24:06.020 on a story.
00:24:07.060 You know,
00:24:07.380 what's going to happen,
00:24:08.460 we presume
00:24:09.060 in the next couple of days
00:24:10.080 is that Roe v. Wade
00:24:10.820 will be overturned
00:24:12.020 in the Dobbs decision.
00:24:14.020 And that's just one thing,
00:24:15.840 right?
00:24:16.020 And of course,
00:24:16.420 what we both know
00:24:17.500 and the abortion people
00:24:18.780 are not saying is
00:24:19.640 this doesn't really
00:24:20.820 change anything.
00:24:21.720 It just throws the decision
00:24:23.380 back to people,
00:24:24.480 for people to decide,
00:24:25.720 which is what should have
00:24:26.340 always been the case.
00:24:27.760 And what will people decide?
00:24:29.160 Like,
00:24:29.300 what will people decide?
00:24:30.520 Unfortunately,
00:24:31.620 I know from Ireland
00:24:32.640 that when people were asked
00:24:34.660 to decide,
00:24:36.140 they overwhelmingly decided
00:24:38.400 in favor of abortion.
00:24:40.600 And I thought that decision
00:24:41.520 was made in ignorance.
00:24:42.620 And I don't mean that
00:24:43.180 in a horrible way.
00:24:44.540 I just mean that I think
00:24:45.300 that the media suppressed
00:24:46.820 the true story,
00:24:47.900 didn't allow voices
00:24:49.020 like mine to be heard.
00:24:50.420 And so people made a decision
00:24:52.220 and they didn't know
00:24:52.720 what they were voting for.
00:24:53.860 So I think this is
00:24:54.520 a really important time
00:24:55.520 for people to get
00:24:56.080 more informed,
00:24:57.560 more information,
00:24:58.800 not less information,
00:24:59.760 would be really helpful.
00:25:01.460 Yeah,
00:25:01.900 and I think the importance
00:25:03.020 of access to these stories
00:25:05.140 is critical.
00:25:05.960 And when you talked
00:25:07.480 about people
00:25:08.000 whose opinions
00:25:08.680 were changed
00:25:09.560 by learning about this trial,
00:25:11.820 do I understand correctly
00:25:13.100 or do I recall correctly
00:25:14.260 that you had a bit
00:25:15.580 of a change
00:25:16.140 in your own outlook
00:25:17.140 in immersing yourself
00:25:18.480 in this as well?
00:25:19.080 Well, yeah,
00:25:19.980 100%.
00:25:21.000 I mean,
00:25:22.240 I was,
00:25:23.480 I mean,
00:25:24.080 you know,
00:25:24.400 I was what people say.
00:25:25.680 I was neutral on abortion
00:25:26.980 prior to getting involved
00:25:28.440 in this story.
00:25:29.260 And by the way,
00:25:29.780 there is no neutrality
00:25:30.780 on abortion.
00:25:31.400 It just doesn't exist.
00:25:32.180 So that means
00:25:32.800 I was pro-abortion 1.00
00:25:33.740 prior to this.
00:25:35.140 And I had
00:25:36.000 a complete conversion.
00:25:38.020 I was profoundly shocked.
00:25:39.820 I'm shocked today.
00:25:40.980 To be honest with you,
00:25:41.580 I'm shocked today, Andrew.
00:25:43.140 Like,
00:25:43.380 I've read stuff today
00:25:44.520 that,
00:25:45.440 you know,
00:25:45.840 stuff that I wrote myself,
00:25:47.160 stuff that I discovered myself.
00:25:48.220 I've been looking at
00:25:49.100 some of the interviews
00:25:49.720 we did with some of the people
00:25:50.720 in the podcast.
00:25:51.900 And it brings me to tears
00:25:53.300 to listen to it.
00:25:54.140 Now,
00:25:54.700 years later,
00:25:55.480 and I know this stuff,
00:25:56.720 it's chilling.
00:25:58.120 You know,
00:25:58.640 I have the photographs
00:25:59.360 of the babies
00:26:00.380 that were discovered
00:26:01.040 in the clinic.
00:26:02.040 Most of them
00:26:02.620 were legally aborted.
00:26:03.860 And it's chilling
00:26:05.240 to see the true face
00:26:07.200 of abortion.
00:26:08.980 And it totally changes you.
00:26:10.400 I mean,
00:26:10.520 I just can't,
00:26:11.220 it's the,
00:26:11.920 I think one of the,
00:26:12.980 it becomes unthinkable.
00:26:14.220 Once you understand
00:26:15.000 what abortion is,
00:26:15.720 it becomes unthinkable.
00:26:16.580 And I think one of the,
00:26:18.720 somebody made a,
00:26:19.560 Kevin Hart,
00:26:20.760 not Kevin Hart,
00:26:21.540 no,
00:26:21.980 Chris Rock made a good,
00:26:23.120 made a good joke recently,
00:26:24.420 you know,
00:26:24.900 about abortion.
00:26:25.900 And he said,
00:26:26.520 you know,
00:26:26.980 yeah,
00:26:27.960 there's no such thing really,
00:26:28.940 you know,
00:26:29.280 yeah,
00:26:29.680 I don't think there's any such thing
00:26:30.660 as a safe abortion
00:26:31.340 because always somebody dies.
00:26:34.200 And he said,
00:26:34.820 you know,
00:26:35.120 and he went on to say,
00:26:36.120 you know,
00:26:36.300 I'm not,
00:26:36.860 you know,
00:26:37.560 I'm not so much pro-choice,
00:26:38.900 I'm pro-better choice.
00:26:41.040 I thought that was great.
00:26:42.280 You know,
00:26:42.500 I'm pro-better choice as well,
00:26:43.760 you know,
00:26:44.400 and I like,
00:26:45.680 yeah,
00:26:46.160 in a safe abortion,
00:26:47.100 always someone dies.
00:26:48.300 Someone dies,
00:26:49.360 not something.
00:26:51.640 When I look at the podcast
00:26:53.520 that you have coming out,
00:26:54.680 and I've only heard
00:26:55.440 the premiere episode,
00:26:56.580 as would be expected,
00:26:57.620 it's quite well done.
00:26:58.780 Is your goal
00:26:59.680 to repackage this,
00:27:01.520 to tap into a new audience,
00:27:03.400 or are you,
00:27:04.460 is there more to the story
00:27:05.780 or more insight
00:27:06.500 that you have
00:27:07.160 now that you've sat with this
00:27:08.680 for several years
00:27:09.680 and you've done the book
00:27:11.000 and the movie
00:27:11.640 and now this?
00:27:13.220 It's actually both of those.
00:27:14.280 That's really good.
00:27:15.000 Yeah,
00:27:15.120 it's actually both of those.
00:27:16.200 Yes,
00:27:16.420 reaching a new audience
00:27:17.340 because people who get
00:27:18.400 to hear this story
00:27:19.240 are forever changed by it
00:27:20.900 and in a good way.
00:27:21.760 I mean,
00:27:22.100 you know,
00:27:22.360 we've had,
00:27:22.740 as I said,
00:27:23.120 we've had amazing correspondence
00:27:24.140 for people,
00:27:25.140 but I have had...
00:27:25.640 And you couldn't get your movie
00:27:26.720 in a lot of movie theaters.
00:27:27.780 You couldn't get it on Netflix.
00:27:29.200 I mean,
00:27:29.420 it wasn't getting to a lot
00:27:30.840 of the people
00:27:31.240 that might have been
00:27:32.420 in that position
00:27:33.120 where they could have
00:27:33.640 had their mind changed.
00:27:34.740 Correct.
00:27:35.440 And I do think,
00:27:36.160 you know,
00:27:36.320 that's a huge thing.
00:27:37.300 And we have had time
00:27:38.240 in the meantime
00:27:38.740 to think about this
00:27:40.140 and,
00:27:40.920 you know,
00:27:41.160 and I feel like
00:27:41.900 that the podcast
00:27:42.460 gives something
00:27:43.100 that we haven't,
00:27:43.820 I mean,
00:27:44.040 you know,
00:27:44.600 really touched before,
00:27:45.520 which is really getting
00:27:46.920 to know the characters here
00:27:48.140 that made this,
00:27:49.920 you know,
00:27:50.220 brought this man to justice
00:27:51.420 and they're really worth knowing,
00:27:53.040 you know,
00:27:53.280 like Detective Jim Wood,
00:27:54.400 who's just this fabulous cop
00:27:55.840 who would really renew your faith
00:27:57.700 in,
00:27:57.940 you know,
00:27:58.540 in the justice system,
00:27:59.720 make you realize
00:28:00.340 how incredible
00:28:01.100 these great cops are
00:28:02.540 that are all over the place.
00:28:04.140 And the Assistant District Attorney,
00:28:05.760 Christine Wexler,
00:28:06.920 you know,
00:28:07.120 people like,
00:28:08.080 you know,
00:28:08.280 the crime scene investigators
00:28:09.560 that we speak to
00:28:10.340 and then some of the victims,
00:28:11.420 some of the women
00:28:11.840 who were in that clinic
00:28:12.980 and described what it was like
00:28:14.480 when they thought
00:28:15.380 that they were going to bleed to death.
00:28:16.560 I mean,
00:28:16.760 you know,
00:28:17.380 I think it's,
00:28:18.080 I think there's something
00:28:18.900 very unique
00:28:19.820 about hearing those voices
00:28:20.880 that is very,
00:28:22.340 very valuable
00:28:22.820 and very powerful.
00:28:24.040 It's incredible.
00:28:26.240 It's,
00:28:26.740 yeah,
00:28:27.100 I just think
00:28:27.660 it's a completely different way
00:28:29.040 of coming to that story.
00:28:30.800 And as you kind of
00:28:31.540 have mentioned there,
00:28:32.640 there is this massive audience
00:28:33.860 of people
00:28:34.240 who really love true crime.
00:28:35.440 I'm that person.
00:28:36.120 I am that person.
00:28:37.060 Myself and my husband,
00:28:38.700 date lined at night.
00:28:39.660 We're all the time doing that.
00:28:40.880 Watching these shows
00:28:41.600 with these,
00:28:42.120 you know,
00:28:42.440 and apparently it's,
00:28:43.720 you know,
00:28:44.260 that's the,
00:28:44.960 it's a,
00:28:45.640 you know,
00:28:46.040 the reason why
00:28:46.700 when you turn the television on
00:28:47.820 with all these true crime shows
00:28:48.900 is because they have an audience
00:28:50.320 for these
00:28:50.920 and the audience
00:28:52.620 on the podcast platform
00:28:54.360 is enormous
00:28:55.840 with people tuning in
00:28:57.600 and once they've had their,
00:28:58.560 you know,
00:28:58.760 they've done Dr. Death
00:28:59.940 or they've done Dirty John
00:29:01.040 or they've done Serial,
00:29:02.460 the NPR show,
00:29:03.340 they're ready for the next one.
00:29:04.880 So get ready for us
00:29:06.740 because SerialKillerPod.com,
00:29:08.580 if people go to SerialKillerPod.com,
00:29:10.880 they can access the show
00:29:12.680 and I'd ask people to subscribe.
00:29:15.380 Please leave a review.
00:29:17.060 It's a really powerful story.
00:29:18.560 I mean,
00:29:18.680 as you say,
00:29:19.180 I've been at this for years
00:29:20.340 and I'm always,
00:29:22.140 I'm always gratified
00:29:24.180 by the effect it has on people.
00:29:26.560 You and Phelan
00:29:27.840 always do such a tremendous job
00:29:30.080 at bringing things
00:29:31.800 that are oftentimes
00:29:32.820 very difficult
00:29:33.960 or in other cases,
00:29:35.320 very dense to life.
00:29:36.540 I mean,
00:29:36.680 one notable example
00:29:37.600 was your real,
00:29:39.080 basically real-time
00:29:40.400 podcast reenactment
00:29:42.160 of the Harvey Weinstein trial
00:29:43.760 and I know
00:29:44.200 the Ferguson play as well,
00:29:46.520 great examples of this.
00:29:48.260 And I guess with this podcast,
00:29:50.080 what's your message
00:29:51.500 to people
00:29:52.180 that are inherently
00:29:53.580 going to dismiss it
00:29:54.800 because it's pro-life propaganda?
00:29:56.780 The people that
00:29:57.420 have already made up their mind,
00:29:59.140 there's nothing
00:29:59.760 that's going to shake them,
00:30:00.700 they think.
00:30:01.380 Like,
00:30:01.560 do you think there is something
00:30:02.820 in this that can reach
00:30:03.980 even those people?
00:30:05.440 Yeah,
00:30:05.640 totally.
00:30:06.060 Because,
00:30:06.400 I mean,
00:30:06.600 if you like crime,
00:30:07.620 if you like crime stories,
00:30:08.720 I mean,
00:30:08.820 this is an amazing crime story,
00:30:10.060 even how this guy
00:30:10.840 was discovered
00:30:11.460 that this was
00:30:12.260 a routine drug investigation,
00:30:13.900 I mean,
00:30:14.040 it's really fascinating.
00:30:15.440 I think,
00:30:15.760 you know,
00:30:16.220 yeah,
00:30:16.520 there's lots of things
00:30:17.460 like that.
00:30:18.060 There's also,
00:30:18.520 I think,
00:30:19.100 I think people
00:30:19.680 who maybe have their minds
00:30:20.840 made up about abortion 0.96
00:30:21.660 or whatever
00:30:22.000 and think,
00:30:22.380 oh,
00:30:22.480 this is an abortion thing. 1.00
00:30:23.380 It's not,
00:30:23.680 there's a lot of,
00:30:24.700 it's a lot about
00:30:25.640 a lot of other things too.
00:30:27.000 And it's a lot about,
00:30:28.740 I mean,
00:30:29.720 for somebody maybe
00:30:30.400 who hasn't come across
00:30:31.360 this story before,
00:30:32.160 they should be,
00:30:32.600 they should be questioning
00:30:33.500 about that.
00:30:34.180 They should be saying
00:30:34.620 to themselves,
00:30:35.640 that should make them
00:30:36.340 really uncomfortable,
00:30:37.000 by the way.
00:30:37.780 The fact that they've never
00:30:38.620 heard of this story before,
00:30:40.340 you know,
00:30:41.320 on that note,
00:30:42.040 do you still meet people
00:30:43.000 that you say Kermit Gosnell
00:30:44.500 and they say who?
00:30:45.520 Is that like,
00:30:46.040 you know,
00:30:46.180 one of the Muppets
00:30:46.780 or something?
00:30:47.620 Absolutely.
00:30:48.340 I totally meet people
00:30:49.180 who have not heard
00:30:50.120 this story.
00:30:51.000 And I think people
00:30:52.040 should be really just,
00:30:53.000 this should be very,
00:30:54.020 very disturbing
00:30:54.780 for people,
00:30:55.620 you know,
00:30:56.060 that the media chose
00:30:57.180 to cover up this story
00:30:58.340 because they didn't like
00:30:59.120 what it said
00:30:59.720 about whatever.
00:31:01.600 The media don't get
00:31:02.760 to make those kind
00:31:03.460 of choices.
00:31:03.980 You need to tell people.
00:31:04.940 I mean,
00:31:05.060 you know that.
00:31:05.580 I'm looking at your book
00:31:06.260 in the background there,
00:31:07.020 The Freedom Convoy.
00:31:08.160 If that isn't the best example
00:31:09.720 of exactly what I'm talking about,
00:31:11.320 where something monumental happens,
00:31:13.360 something historic,
00:31:14.200 something of that magnitude,
00:31:15.500 and the whole world
00:31:16.260 aren't reporting on it
00:31:17.180 because they don't like
00:31:18.240 what it says,
00:31:19.320 because it goes against
00:31:20.040 some narrative of theirs,
00:31:21.060 some politics of theirs,
00:31:22.520 that's not good
00:31:23.700 for any of us.
00:31:24.460 No matter what your opinion
00:31:25.440 or your belief in anything is,
00:31:27.660 journalists need to be reporting
00:31:29.340 on what's happening
00:31:30.320 and this was an extraordinary story
00:31:32.180 and it's an extraordinary story
00:31:34.660 about public health,
00:31:35.480 by the way,
00:31:35.860 and the state of public health
00:31:36.940 in the United States
00:31:37.680 where the Department of Health
00:31:39.120 in Pennsylvania
00:31:40.060 got repeated complaints
00:31:42.280 over and over and over
00:31:43.600 of the years
00:31:44.220 of people saying
00:31:44.860 that there were cats
00:31:45.500 in this place,
00:31:46.020 that it was filthy
00:31:46.600 and no one from the Department of Health
00:31:49.680 went to investigate.
00:31:51.100 People should be outraged
00:31:52.060 by that.
00:31:52.540 People, by the way,
00:31:53.220 who support BLM
00:31:54.540 should particularly want
00:31:55.860 to listen to this podcast,
00:31:57.060 by the way,
00:31:57.680 because this clinic
00:31:58.740 particularly catered
00:32:00.280 to minorities,
00:32:01.220 particularly catered
00:32:02.020 to very poor African Americans
00:32:04.120 and people
00:32:05.560 who are supporting
00:32:06.620 Black Lives Matter
00:32:07.340 should really,
00:32:08.360 really care about this
00:32:09.440 because the way
00:32:10.680 these women were treated 1.00
00:32:11.540 and the way
00:32:12.300 that the establishment
00:32:13.320 in Pennsylvania
00:32:13.980 treated these women
00:32:14.700 was basically racist.
00:32:17.100 You know,
00:32:17.820 it wouldn't have happened
00:32:18.940 if somebody said to me recently
00:32:20.160 in a nice suburb
00:32:21.800 in Pennsylvania,
00:32:22.760 it wouldn't have happened
00:32:23.520 because it wouldn't be good enough 0.61
00:32:25.420 for those white folk
00:32:26.740 but it was good enough 0.98
00:32:28.000 apparently for these black women. 1.00
00:32:29.540 So I don't know why BLM 0.56
00:32:31.120 aren't all over this thing
00:32:32.560 because this is racism.
00:32:35.280 This was some form of racism
00:32:36.640 on top of everything else.
00:32:38.580 Yeah, you're right.
00:32:39.560 BLM feminists 0.98
00:32:40.700 should be mortified
00:32:41.580 by this treatment of women.
00:32:43.440 All of these activist groups
00:32:44.740 that should be there
00:32:46.040 that aren't on this
00:32:47.300 and certainly the media.
00:32:48.380 I don't want to say
00:32:48.860 they're as large villains
00:32:50.420 as Gosnell himself
00:32:51.420 but certainly they are villains
00:32:52.920 in this story.
00:32:54.040 And I appreciate the plug
00:32:54.920 in my book
00:32:55.320 but we're here to plug
00:32:56.040 your podcast and Serial Killer
00:32:57.600 a true crime podcast
00:32:59.320 launching this week.
00:33:00.380 Where can people find it?
00:33:01.660 So people need to go
00:33:02.300 to SerialKillerPod.com
00:33:04.120 So SerialKillerPod.com
00:33:06.660 and you can subscribe.
00:33:08.340 It's all free.
00:33:09.780 Have a listen.
00:33:10.760 Please leave a review.
00:33:12.060 That would be really helpful.
00:33:13.720 And then share it.
00:33:15.000 If you think it's interesting,
00:33:16.080 please share it with other people.
00:33:17.360 This is the great thing
00:33:18.180 about podcasts.
00:33:18.980 As you know,
00:33:19.440 there's no borders
00:33:20.420 and they're free
00:33:21.980 and they can go everywhere
00:33:23.880 and it's an amazing way
00:33:24.900 to get information
00:33:25.580 and you can do it.
00:33:26.200 You can have it
00:33:26.800 plugged into the car.
00:33:27.940 You can be listening to it
00:33:28.700 on your way to work
00:33:29.300 and it's jaw-dropping stuff actually.
00:33:31.800 But it's also ultimately,
00:33:33.060 I think,
00:33:33.540 life-affirming
00:33:34.180 and inspiring
00:33:35.460 because of the kind of people
00:33:36.900 that were involved
00:33:37.460 in the investigation
00:33:38.040 who put this guy away forever.
00:33:39.960 And if you find it too heavy,
00:33:41.400 you can also subscribe
00:33:42.220 to the Ann and Phelan Scoop
00:33:43.500 where Ann and Phelan
00:33:44.900 also do recipes.
00:33:46.240 So you can get the serious
00:33:47.600 and the light-hearted as well.
00:33:48.780 That's right.
00:33:49.140 That's right.
00:33:49.600 for this cooking.
00:33:50.320 I just recently
00:33:51.160 was doing a recipe
00:33:52.140 using the air fryer
00:33:53.500 and somebody just literally wrote
00:33:55.060 because the podcast
00:33:55.680 came out today
00:33:56.220 and somebody wrote
00:33:56.720 and said,
00:33:57.540 thinking of buying an air fryer,
00:33:58.800 which one do you have?
00:33:59.460 And I'm thinking,
00:33:59.780 yeah,
00:33:59.960 so anyway,
00:34:00.580 I'm obviously,
00:34:01.120 I'm very big
00:34:01.680 into the air fryer right now.
00:34:03.300 It's been a couple of years
00:34:04.360 since I've had your cooking.
00:34:05.300 I'll have to venture out
00:34:06.420 to California again soon.
00:34:08.820 Ann McElhenney,
00:34:09.460 thank you so much.
00:34:10.240 Great job on the podcast.
00:34:11.460 Congratulations.
00:34:12.420 Okay.
00:34:13.000 Bye-bye.
00:34:13.480 That was my discussion
00:34:14.660 with Ann McElhenney.
00:34:16.160 And if you haven't seen the movie
00:34:18.220 or read the book,
00:34:18.960 I would encourage you
00:34:19.620 to do both
00:34:20.140 and listen to the podcast.
00:34:21.680 It's incredibly important
00:34:22.800 to support independent media
00:34:24.320 and voices telling these stories.
00:34:26.100 And like I said,
00:34:26.700 they're actually just
00:34:27.320 important stories
00:34:28.320 in and of themselves.
00:34:29.140 So my thanks again
00:34:30.460 to Ann McElhenney
00:34:31.360 for coming on the show.
00:34:32.800 That does it for us
00:34:34.020 for today.
00:34:34.800 On the next edition
00:34:36.020 of the program,
00:34:36.580 we'll have my sit down
00:34:37.580 with Pierre-Paul Lievre
00:34:39.020 as part of our
00:34:39.760 Conservative Leadership Series
00:34:41.260 here on the Andrew Lawton Show.
00:34:42.460 And that leaves just a couple
00:34:43.920 of leadership candidates
00:34:44.880 remaining in Scott Acheson
00:34:46.320 and Leslyn Lewis,
00:34:47.260 but we'll get to them
00:34:47.960 in the coming weeks as well.
00:34:50.160 Thanks everyone
00:34:50.920 for tuning into the show.
00:34:51.900 We'll talk to you soon.
00:34:52.920 Thank you.
00:34:53.400 God bless.
00:34:54.000 And good day to you all.
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