00:16:49.860Yes, we need free speech to get the facts in the fight
00:16:52.720But like Jake said, ad revenue is not a human right
00:16:58.320Yeah, so that was a rap star who goes by the handle Baba Brinkman, and he apparently is the son of a Liberal Member of Parliament, Joyce Murray, and his job is apparently to rap about things like climate change, and he put on that performance at the recent climate meeting that our government was at.
00:17:18.220Joining me now is the Federal Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,
00:17:23.980my good friend and colleague Franco Terrazzano. Whenever he is ready to rock. There you are,
00:17:28.780Franco. Welcome back to Lethbridge. Hey, I don't know how I'm going to top that intro,
00:17:34.220but I'll try. Okay, so for folks who are not sure where Franco is right now,
00:17:40.220we've expanded our empire in southern Alberta, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,
00:17:45.180And Franco is also here in Lethbridge, so we will be saving on long-distance charges.
00:17:50.560Franco, can you please explain what our viewers just watched just a little bit?
00:17:55.880Yeah, that was the wrap at the Canada Pavilion at the COP28 United Nations Climate Conference in Dubai.
00:18:03.400And, like, folks, the federal government ended up spending $3 million sending 182 people to this United Nations Climate Conference in Dubai.
00:18:14.660Three million bucks, folks, you know, because, you know, nothing screams fighting climate change, like jetting around the world, burning through jet fuel and burning through millions of taxpayer cash.
00:18:26.800But all said and done, it looks like taxpayers are on the hook for like at least three million dollars for these 182 politicians, bureaucrats and other delegates to fly halfway around the world and talk about climate change.
00:20:02.260When, by the way, most of their bills are paid for and have been for years as members of parliament cabinet ministers. But the same thing is happening here, right? They're flying to some faraway fancy place to fight climate change while literally flying there on on jets. Do you ever get any response from the federal government or do we ever get any response?
00:20:23.220I know we see a lot in our in our inbox from our supporters do they ever try to justify these kind
00:20:28.780of expenses like are they are they reducing climate change by having these meetings well I
00:20:34.100think for the most part they just try to look the other way and hopefully nobody notices right I
00:20:38.180think that's their number one strategy if they even get to a number two strategy if we can call
00:20:42.960it that they'll just say oh you know fighting climate change is important but you know I don't
00:20:46.880think fighting climate change I don't think you do that by flying 182 politicians and bureaucrats
00:20:51.920halfway around the world like I said burning through jet fuel and millions of tax dollars
00:20:55.980now this isn't a one-off folks right like this happens all the time that was COP 28 in Dubai
00:21:02.900let's not forget about COP 26 in Glasgow okay where Canada sent 276 delegates which was the
00:21:12.260largest of any G7 country including the host nation the United Kingdom okay but not only was
00:21:20.260that bizarre you even had her own finance minister christia freeland who apparently doesn't have
00:21:25.900google maps on her phone because she stayed in the wrong city she stayed in edinburgh which is like
00:21:32.340if i can remember correctly 86 kilometers away from glasgow where the conference was happening
00:21:37.720so what did the finance minister end up doing well to get back and forth uh she booked a luxury
00:21:43.260chauffeur service and billed taxpayers like three thousand dollars to get her back and forth to the
00:21:48.480conference and this wrong city that she decided to stay in so not only were they burning jet fuel
00:21:54.720i guess they were also burning a bunch of fuel for this luxury chauffeur service that is just
00:22:00.300amazing and it reminds me of that same finance minister uh i think it was last summer when she
00:22:06.140went up to prince edward island outside of charlottetown by the way charlottetown does not
00:22:11.260have a rapid underground subway train just spoiler alert but she was still outside of charlottetown
00:22:16.600And she starts lecturing people there, like potato farmers there, about, you know what, I'm car free.
00:22:23.180I don't drive my car and everybody should be taking public transit.
00:22:27.440Survey says taxpayers actually pay to cart her around.
00:22:32.240Funny how that works, like most cabinet ministers.
00:22:35.200So she was within the GTA, even when she was within the Toronto area where they have things like the GoTrain,
00:22:41.680she was still, by and large, being driven around.
00:22:43.860guess what? At our expense, at taxpayers' expense. Now, Franco, where do we go from here? I know I
00:22:50.960often hear from people saying, you know what, we can give them, you know, the Teddy Waste Awards,
00:22:55.240we can give them all these golden pig trophy statues for blowing our money on these stupid,
00:22:59.500hypocritical things. But where do we go from here? Is the answer just to put so much pressure on the
00:23:04.660next government that they either don't go to these meetings or they zoom it in or they send,
00:23:09.880i don't know a handful of people to these instead of a hundred people well no i don't think we want
00:23:15.960to wait that long right like we can get some wins today and and one of the ways that you can also
00:23:21.480put pressure on on these politicians and bureaucrats is uh we've seen it work in committees or at least
00:23:27.320work to an extent right like so this is a good segue because you you probably remember when the
00:23:32.520governor general infamously and her entourage of about 30 people spent more than a million dollars
00:23:37.720on a week-long trip to the middle east where they blew what almost a hundred thousand dollars on
00:23:43.720airplane food like i don't even know how you blow a hundred thousand bucks on airplane food
00:23:48.520but they were dining on like beef carpaccio uh beef wellington chris you can't even get beef
00:23:54.120wellington flavored chips on your normal airline i don't know how they're you know dining on the on
00:23:59.720the real deal but after that like after the story broke i believe it was the national post who
00:40:59.780So your vehicle that runs on gasoline or diesel will be banned in Canada.
00:41:06.480Guys, that's in 10 years' time. That's a really short window of time, okay? Why are they doing
00:41:13.040this? Well, ostensibly, you know, to reduce emissions, right? That's what they try to say.
00:41:18.980But we have a few questions about that. Namely, what business is it of the government to ban
00:41:25.420your vehicle, right? This should be up to individual drivers as to what they want to
00:41:31.640drive here in Canada. At the Taxpayers Federation website, we actually have a petition about this
00:41:36.840that you can sign telling the Prime Minister, telling the federal government to back off
00:41:42.080and not go through with their 2035 ban on internal combustion engine vehicles. Don't force people
00:41:49.640to purchase electric vehicles if they don't want to. Secondly, where is the energy going to come
00:41:57.040from. This part is really, really critical. And I wanted to take a moment to point this out
00:42:01.740because a lot of times people will get caught up in the, how much am I paying for the carbon tax
00:42:07.000per vehicle? Answer. If you drive a minivan, it's around $13 extra every time you fill up.
00:42:14.600If you drive a pickup truck, it's roughly $20 extra every time you fill up. This is just in
00:42:21.940carbon tax. If you're a big rig trucker and you're filling up those two diesel tanks, on average now
00:42:28.980the Trudeau government's mandatory carbon tax is costing about $200 extra on the diesel going into
00:42:36.260those tanks. And for farmers, they're often paying thousands of dollars in the carbon tax to do
00:42:42.420things like heat their barns, try to keep chickens alive in the middle of winter in Saskatchewan
00:42:47.940without heating the barn. You can't. And also to dry their grain. So you see this layering effect
00:42:53.780of the cost of the carbon tax, right? And so this is where we're highlighting that. We're also
00:42:58.980pointing out this forced shift that the government is trying to produce here. Where is the energy
00:43:06.260going to come from for those electric vehicles? I don't know, Sean, if we have the picture of
00:43:11.060British Columbia's sightsee dam that we can pop up here. But yeah, take a look at that.
00:43:16.820Okay? Squint really hard. You see those tiny little things way down at the bottom of that basin?
00:43:22.500Those are gigantic earth-moving trucks, okay? You see in the foreground, those are major vehicles,
00:43:29.140okay? And you see in the distance, those are huge construction cranes. This is a gigantic project.
00:43:35.140Last I checked, it's costing around $15 billion with a B, okay? W. A. C. Bennett,
00:43:42.340The premier of British Columbia, who was in power back in the 1950s, first picked this site.
00:43:48.320So needless to say, BC has been working on this thing or at least planning it for an awfully long time.
00:43:54.100You see that dam? That's often referred to as a mega project.
00:43:59.340This is a once in every two generations-ish sort of a thing that the government and private industry will work on together.
00:44:05.620If British Columbia switched to electric vehicles, this is just personal transportation, we're not talking industry or agriculture.
00:44:16.140If personal vehicles all in British Columbia tomorrow switched to electric, Santa brought you an electric car, they would need nine new sightsee dams.
00:44:27.520So what you just saw there, that gigantic project that's happening up in the north of BC, okay, picture that. Picture nine more of them. $15 billion each, not counting inflation. Okay? In some cases, taking decades in normal people time to plan and approve and build.
00:44:48.200That doesn't sound practical to a lot of people. And this is where I think it's incumbent upon the government to have good answers for this. So the next time I would encourage all reporters or the next time you're at a rally or something like that, and you hear a politician say something like, oh, well, just switch.
00:45:06.120Switch your vehicle from gas or diesel powered to electric, all electric. Plug in. This is not as simple as much as I find them annoying, right? And having to decide between them. This is not as simple as something like picking your plastic or paper grocery bags at the grocery store. Okay. For whatever reason. This is not that simple.
00:45:28.780if people really did have an affordable, reliable, abundant energy source that they could simply
00:45:35.540switch to, they would have done so by now because of the punishment of something like the federal
00:45:42.980carbon tax. The point here is that there's nowhere for most people to go. Yes, there are some really
00:45:49.560industrious people who can manage to live in like earthworm homes off grid that have hay bale
00:45:54.460insulation and solar panels on the roof. Yes, I've read about all this stuff all the time.
00:45:58.700There are some of those individuals. But by and large, the average working person
00:46:02.660in urban or suburban areas, they cannot just switch like this. And whenever you ask the
00:46:09.340government to explain themselves as to where this energy is going to come from, they're lost for an
00:46:15.160answer. And they can't say something like solar or wind, because they have not been able to meet
00:46:20.620that out and show it in the data that A, it'll be ready in time. B, it'll have enough power that
00:46:25.800will be reliable. Okay. That doesn't need to be backed up by say a natural gas plant and see how
00:46:31.580much it'll cost. Like how much will this cost taxpayers to produce and how much will it cost
00:46:37.340rate payers to actually purchase if we're all plugging in our magical electric vehicles
00:46:42.440overnight in order to go to work. So I wanted to leave you guys with that. And this is the white
00:46:48.060pill. And it doesn't look like a white pill at first because it seems gross, but bear with me.
00:46:52.980So a couple of years ago, during lockdowns in British Columbia, the Canadian Taxpayers
00:46:57.540Federation was asked to give input at City Hall. Quite often they'll have these forums where they
00:47:02.980ask people their opinion and they'll say, what do you think about this idea? And the idea at the
00:47:07.580time, if I recall correctly, was twofold. One, they were going to massively increase their cost
00:47:12.680of parking in front of your house. So your own house on the street, they were going to start
00:47:17.520nailing you at Vancouver City Hall. And two, this was the kicker. Vancouver City Hall was
00:47:23.720planning on arming a whole bunch of meter maids with like brand new tablets that they can take
00:47:29.660a picture of vehicles with and determine how new it was. And if it was something like an SUV or a
00:47:36.560pickup truck, they were going to tax you more. So they were getting right into the nitty gritty
00:47:43.140minutiae as to what kind of vehicle you can drive in Vancouver. So that's a lot of money that they
00:47:49.160were going to be taxing people. So the Taxpayers Federation, we were in the queue listening to the
00:47:53.700presenters. Okay. I'm telling you this because the young lady that was on before me would have been
00:47:59.760around 19 or 20 years old. And she was from one of the kind of environmental groups. And I'm not
00:48:05.200picking on her. In fact, I have a lot of empathy for her. The fear in her voice was astonishing.
00:48:11.280taking off even my taxpayer's hat and putting on my mom hat. It was hard to listen to. This young
00:48:18.820woman was convinced that the planet was going to burn up within the next like 18 months unless the
00:48:27.660city hall did this. Unless city hall banned pickup trucks for tradesmen and SUVs for families
00:48:33.400from downtown or taxed them heavily to punish them. This poor young woman was convinced that
00:48:39.160her generation was doomed within the next very short window of time, like a couple of years.
00:48:46.200So, number one, shame on the adults, the teachers who taught that young lady this. It is wrong for
00:48:53.640you to tell a young person that there's no hope, okay? You shouldn't say things like that. I don't
00:48:59.720care how hardcore your environmentalism is, okay? This is a thrifted jacket. I'm a big-time small
00:49:04.760environmentalist so the adults in her life should not have taught her something like that
00:49:09.960and two i wanted to encourage the folks watching here especially if you have a young person okay
00:49:16.120if you've got kids our kids are 16 and 11 okay they're in the public school system if you've got
00:49:21.720young people in your life i wanted to leave you with this really funny little anecdote and i'm
00:49:26.920almost done sean i want to pull up some of the images of new york city and london
00:49:30.200So back about a hundred and something years ago, okay, the turn of the last century,
00:49:36.480clocking in close to the late 1800s, humanity was gripped with another transportation crisis
00:49:43.180and the pollution it causes, okay? And this is before the automobile was popularized in North
00:49:49.780America, okay? So picture yourself back in the late 1800s. The only way to get around quickly
00:49:55.980was through horse and cart. Well, guess what? We had major metropolises, places like New York City
00:50:02.280and London, that were buried under mountains of horse manure. There, take a look at that.
00:50:09.540This is an image, okay, according to the interwebs, of a street in New York City in the late 1800s.
00:50:17.020Look at this. All that stuff you're seeing down the middle of the street, that's, by the way,
00:50:22.200cobblestone you just can't see it because of the horse manure that is all over it and in some cases
00:50:28.440it was heaping up on the corners take a look at this that thing in the middle you see of that
00:50:33.640image i'm sorry it's kind of gross that's a horse that's a dead horse okay and this was not
00:50:39.880exceptional okay quite often there would be you know horse carcasses off to the side there would
00:50:45.320be horse mountains of horse manure off to the side and it was causing a massive number one
00:50:50.760environmental problem, because just imagine the smell and the fumes and the reek and the off
00:50:55.740gassing of all of this stuff. Okay. And it was combining with pretty heavy particulates coming
00:51:00.880from wood and coal ovens to create what Londoners would call pea supers, where they would have to
00:51:06.340seal up their windows and they would have to send people in front of the carriages with torches
00:51:10.440in the middle of the day so they could see. Okay. The reason why I'm showing you these gross images
00:51:16.740is to actually, conversely, encourage young people that, you know what? We have had problems
00:51:24.660with transportation before. We've had serious problems, environmental and health problems
00:51:30.280before. Imagine the disease in cities like that, where you have horse corpses and mountains of
00:51:36.680manure everywhere. In major cities, keep in mind, this is not in some far-flung area that is really
00:51:41.700rural. These were like the gems of human civilization that were living in situations like
00:51:46.960this. What happened? Human beings invented a much better engine of transportation and mode of
00:51:54.040transportation. And we got automobiles popularized. Are they perfect? No. Do we have scenes like this
00:52:01.400in major downtown streets of London and New York? Sure don't. Take a look at that. And then take a
00:52:07.820look at a street in places like Vancouver, okay? It is night and day. So I just wanted to leave
00:52:12.500you with that of encourage your student, encourage your kids, the young people in your life to read
00:52:17.940some of those history books, okay? Because reading past struggles that people have been able to
00:52:23.560overcome with invention and ingenuity and brains is really encouraging because it makes it so
00:52:30.360perhaps they could be the next person who invents the dilithium crystal from Star Trek, or frankly,
00:52:37.300who invents the static electricity motor that is the centerpiece of Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged.
00:52:44.000Okay, there's a big hopeful future out there and I wanted to encourage people to partake in it
00:52:48.940and that doesn't mean that we need to punish people with a carbon tax here in Canada that
00:52:54.060is making it more expensive for you to heat your home, drive to work, and eat food. I wanted to
00:52:59.980leave you with another little bit of encouragement. For folks in the Edmonton area, please forgive me
00:53:04.480if you don't live in the Edmonton area, but this is a housekeeping note because we always think
00:53:08.040it's important to push back and speak up with government. Okay. So at Edmonton City Hall,
00:53:13.920okay, coming up very soon, there is a public consultation into separating the city into
00:53:19.760planning districts. Okay. Yes, you might have heard about something like 15-minute cities. Here
00:53:24.760it is right here. Okay. This is from the Edmonton website. So over the next few days coming up very
00:53:30.600soon. They're going to have a few days of consultation. Now, to be fair, I've heard a
00:53:35.800lot about 15-minute cities. Here, take a look at this case starting on Tuesday, May 28th this year
00:53:41.420at 9.30. So, you can either go to City Hall Council Chambers yourself and you can also watch
00:53:47.020online. And I would also frankly encourage you to write an email to your local municipal
00:53:52.900councillor if you're living in Edmonton and let them know what you think about the city being
00:53:57.460separated into districts. So I just wanted to briefly touch on this. Okay. Because it does
00:54:02.020affect your life. Yes. I have heard all about 15 minute cities. Feel free to comment if you want
00:54:07.600to. But to be fair, I have put in freedom of information requests on Edmonton. I have not
00:54:14.380found anything when it comes to license plate readers or cameras or anything like that. If I
00:54:19.340did, we'd be reporting it. Okay. But separating a city into districts, 15 separate districts does
00:54:26.100affect your life okay it will affect you know where they're going to have a rec center or where
00:54:30.820they're going to have a grocery store or a school what is going to be considered the hub of your
00:54:35.380neighborhood what are going to be the main spoke roads for commercial businesses so if you are a
00:54:40.740homeowner okay or if you're a renter or if you're a business owner if you've got kids in school or
00:54:45.860you like being able to be a 15 minute walk from the gym or the rec center or whatever it's important
00:54:51.780to give your feedback on this stuff because this is how City Hall is going to distribute their
00:54:57.700planning, right? So again, on May 28th, do call up City Hall. Do see if you can be a speaker there.
00:55:04.500By the way, if they have a whole bunch of speakers, they're going to extend the consultation
00:55:08.340process. I would highly recommend if you're living in the Edmonton area to be one of those speakers
00:55:13.380because, give you a good example again, in Calgary, this is how they got rid of the bag tax
00:55:19.060was from people, normal people like you, speaking up and pushing back on City Hall.
00:55:23.540That's all for today's show here on The Andrew Lawton Show. If you liked it, didn't like it,
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