Candice Malleolo gives her immediate reaction to the first of two French-language debates, the third and final debate of the night. She also talks about the removal of the Greens from the debate, and why she's suing the government.
00:00:00.000Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm. This is a very special live edition of the Candice Malcolm Show. We are
00:00:11.820here to broadcast on the French language debate, folks. It's finally here. If you're anything like
00:00:17.940me, you wish that there were more of these debates. I wish that we had more of an opportunity
00:00:21.200to get to know the candidates, to get to know specifically Mark Carney. And, you know, he's new
00:00:25.720to the scene in politics. We don't, we haven't known him very well for very long. Even just as
00:00:30.320recently as like three months ago, his name recognition among Canadians was like single
00:00:34.420digit percentage. So we have tonight and tomorrow, the two opportunities to get to know the candidates.
00:00:40.580So there's a lot of pressure. A lot of people are predicting, especially on the conservative
00:00:45.320political right side, that Pierre Polyev will just like mop the floor with Mark Carney and that it's
00:00:51.080going to be a bloodbath. I personally am rooting for that. I hope that's what happens. I don't
00:00:55.940want to set expectations too high, though, because I know that Mark Carney has been working in
00:01:00.340overdrive to practice his French, to make sure that he is hitting the absolute correct tones.
00:01:06.560But I think tonight's debate may even prove to be more important than tomorrow night's debate
00:01:12.240because it really, for Mark Carney and the Liberals, they must win in Quebec. They must win
00:01:18.080big in the suburbs around Montreal in order to win this election. And so in some ways,
00:01:24.180even though, you know, I would have much preferred to see a Carney versus Pierre
00:01:28.860Polyev one-on-one debate tonight. And it annoys me that, you know, we have the NDP up there,
00:01:35.100which will be just grandstanding left-wing issues. Same with the bloc. They have no chance of forming
00:01:39.340a government. They're not a national party. And yet they're there. And yet tonight, I think that
00:01:43.520is very important because if Jagmeet Singh performs well and is able to capture back many
00:01:49.540of those left-wing voters who have shifted to Mark Carney, that could be very good for the
00:01:53.100Conservatives. And if the bloc leader, E. Francois Blanchet, performs well, that could also be good
00:01:59.420for the Conservatives because if he's able to pick up that support in suburban Montreal,
00:02:03.900again, it will help the Conservatives with their road to victory. Now, I also want to point out
00:02:10.300something that i think is fantastic and that is that the greens have been removed from the debate
00:02:15.020tonight we were reporting this from juno news and this this is like karma like this is just
00:02:20.620beautiful cosmic justice folks because this idea that the greens i mean they're pulling
00:02:25.420it like three percent nationally it's it's it's it's not really a party at this point it's more
00:02:30.300just like a bumper sticker and you know they decided they made a strategic decision to not
00:02:35.180run candidates in safe conservative seats so they decided to pull out of the places that they didn't
00:02:39.900think they could win against the conservatives. And because of that, they got removed from the
00:02:47.400debate, which is great news for Canadians because that's one fewer irrelevant party leader that
00:02:51.860Canadians have to listen to, more time on the candidates that could actually win this election.
00:02:58.780Now, I reported this earlier. I'm very excited. We have three reporters on the ground at the event
00:03:04.300in Montreal, including my co-founder at Juno News here, Kian Bexty. And then True North has been
00:03:10.900able to send two reporters. They've all been accepted by the Debates Commission. Remember,
00:03:14.740this entire debate is run by the government. Of course, True created a new government department
00:03:20.260to manage the debate. It's like, really, we need government for this. The private media
00:03:24.820consortium used to do it, and they did just fine. It was just fine before. But True North likes to
00:03:29.560involve government in every aspect of our lives. And so it's a government thing. And because of
00:03:35.300that, you have to apply in advance. And we've had issues in the past where they tried to deny us and
00:03:39.520say, you're not journalists. Actually, in 2019, we sued the government. I don't know if you
00:03:44.260remember that. But in 2019, my reporter at the time was Andrew Lawton. We applied to get him
00:03:50.080into the debates. He was rejected at the 11th hour. And it was all very mysterious the way they
00:03:55.340rejected. The email came from a different government department than the department
00:04:00.300that was running the debates. It came through the parliamentary press gallery. There was a whole
00:04:03.680bunch of things that just didn't add up. So we decided, hey, we're going to sue and try to get
00:04:07.640in. At that time, Ezra Levant at the Rebel heard that we were suing and called me up and said,
00:04:12.760hey, we're going to sue too. And so we both sued. They put our case together. And it was a very
00:04:19.680exciting day. We were in downtown Toronto at the courts. I actually brought my son with me. He was
00:04:24.380a baby at the time because I didn't have a babysitter. I was on maternity leave. And so I
00:04:28.360brought him with me. We were at the courts and we ended up getting an emergency injunction and the
00:04:33.700judge ordered that True North and the rebel be accepted. So Andrew Lawton jumped on a plane.
00:04:39.740Interestingly, Ezra Levant and the rebel sent their journalist, Kian Bextie. Kian Bextie was
00:04:44.940their correspondent and their reporter. So they got on airplanes and flew to Ottawa for the debate.
00:04:49.840And to me, that was the best moment of the debate because hearing Andrew Lawton get to ask his question about press freedom, hearing Kian Bextie get to ask his question at the time, the scandal was blackface and asking basically, you know, Justin Trudeau, well, he asked if he had called any African leaders to apologize.
00:05:08.980And then he followed up with a great question about that West Point Grey Academy yearbook.
00:05:13.700And so I'm looking forward to that again.
00:05:16.060We have three of our reporters on the ground, like I said.
00:05:19.180Now, interestingly, the debate is being held at the CBC building in Montreal.
00:05:24.000And Kian Bextie is reporting to me, he's just texting me right now,
00:05:27.500saying that the CBC has banned him from doing any live hits.
00:05:31.160So he was going to call into this show and he was going to tell us about what was happening.
00:05:34.900But because he is in their property, on their property,
00:05:38.160they allow the CBC to have a booth and they're allowed to do a live broadcast,
00:07:26.280There was a Palestinian protest as well that showed up,
00:07:31.080and they tried to drown out the Polly Eve and Karni supporters.
00:07:35.820Notably, not a single NDP supporter came out to welcome the leaders as they as they came in.
00:07:43.960I guess you could say maybe some of the pro-Palestinian crowd might have been the NDP supporters, but not a single orange sign for Jagmeet Singh.
00:08:55.840What are you looking forward to tonight?
00:08:58.160Oh, I think this is going to be great.
00:08:59.540I think Canada's unique in that we've got the Quebec factor in play.
00:09:04.820And that's going to be really interesting because it means that, you know, Pierre has an advantage in the French language skills.
00:09:13.180And I think if he plays it right, he's going to be able to emphasize that.
00:09:17.680And I hope that he comes up with some fun turns of phrase that it'll take Marc Carney a little while to grok.
00:09:23.500I think Mark Carney's been very lucky with the dynamics in in Quebec, the fear factor, the boomer factor, the fact that they get all of their media through state run television.
00:09:36.460And that's had a direct effect on what you're seeing the polling numbers look like.
00:09:40.280I think Blanchette's come out looking very much like he's going to attack that.
00:09:44.460And I think of the five different things that they're going to debate, that issue around immigration identity, those are going to be the issues where you're going to see a really interesting dynamic.
00:09:55.120And Carney has not shown that he's very agile in figuring out what principled perspective he's willing to take and defend.
00:10:03.120So the problems he's gotten into the last few weeks, and you're starting to see it in his poll numbers, are that he doesn't take a principled position and defend it.
00:10:10.400he borrows a couple of conservative policies and then when push comes to shove or gets challenged
00:10:15.040on those in a place like quebec he basically implies that he's not going to actually follow
00:10:19.120through on pipelines things like that so i think it's going to be an interesting debate because
00:10:22.800quebec itself is going to highlight some things where it's going to be very hard for mark carney
00:10:27.520to you know be able to talk out of both sides of his mouth i think pierre uh you know needs to
00:10:34.320figure out a way to smile, relate to his family, something that I think has helped him in the polls.
00:10:41.920He's got two big demographics that he's challenged by. One is with women and the other is with
00:10:47.360seniors over the age of 60. Interesting. Yeah. So we have, we're keeping an eye on the debate
00:10:54.500in the corner of the screen there. Oh, it just disappeared, but we will keep an eye. The debate
00:10:58.820is supposed to start at 6 p.m. This is kind of amusing that it was supposed to start at 7. That's
00:11:03.300what they originally announced. And then it turns out that there's a Habs game on right now. And so
00:11:07.780there was some outrage and they were up at arms at the block that how could we possibly compete
00:11:12.660with a hockey game? Come on guys, it's Canada. So they've moved the debate an hour forward,
00:11:17.940which I appreciate because I'm like, I'm a morning person. My kids wake me up at the crack of dawn
00:11:22.300every day. And so like, usually by like eight o'clock, I'm like, my screens are off and I'm
00:11:27.660like getting ready for bed. So I'm much happier doing a 6 p.m. show than one starting at like
00:11:34.280eight and then going all the way to midnight. But anyway, I want to pick up on that immigration
00:11:38.060question that you asked, because it is a different issue in Quebec than the rest of Canada. It seems
00:11:42.440like they're much more willing to be critical of immigration and not just from an economic
00:11:46.280perspective. Pierre kind of plays it safe. Pierre Polyev and the conservatives play it safe. And
00:11:50.220they only focus on the economic side of things and the impact on housing and that kind of thing.
00:11:53.800Whereas in Quebec, you see more willingness to talk about Canadian values, Quebec values, and saying that, you know, newcomers must adhere to those.
00:12:02.260We did a poll here at Juno this week and our Juno News poll just came out. One of the questions we asked, which we hadn't asked before, was support when it comes to immigration. So we described the three parties policies without matching it to a policy so that the person taking the poll wouldn't identify necessarily with the position of the party they prefer.
00:12:24.580And so when it came to Mark Carney's position on immigration, which we presume is the century
00:12:29.820initiative, let's get to 100 million Canadians by the end of the century, which would mean about
00:12:35.020a million newcomers year after year, only 5% of Canadians wanted that view. Whereas Pierre
00:12:40.640Polyev's position, which is let's return back to Stephen Harper levels, a pledge that he made
00:12:44.820in his exclusive interview with Juno News, where he said that's the levels that he would
00:12:49.820bring it back down to, which was about 250,000 a year compared to the current levels, which are
00:12:56.040upwards of 400,000. So 57% of Canadians, you see that on the screen, support Pierre Polyev's
00:13:02.160immigration plan without knowing that it was Pierre Polyev's. So on the immigration issue,
00:13:06.820conservatives, I think, need to really play hard on this issue. It is a tricky one because you don't
00:13:12.120want to be perceived as being like mean-spirited or xenophobic or whatever. However, I think if
00:13:17.520anything in Quebec, there is more of an appetite to hear the other side of the issue on immigration,
00:13:22.880which is that, you know, let's question whether or not it's actually working for a country and
00:13:26.560whether this is a path that we want to continue on. And, you know, I think that tonight is perhaps
00:13:32.060an opportunity. What do you think? Do you think it'll come up? Do you think it will play a role
00:13:35.480at all in this debate? I think it has to. I think that if you look at several of these issues tie
00:13:42.180to immigration you know obviously the question about identity uh but the issue of housing ties
00:13:47.500to immigration the issue of cost of living ties to immigration the issue of of employment ties
00:13:53.260to immigration and in some cases unfairly people attribute you know the current economic malays
00:14:00.800which has so much to do with liberal policies and not as much to do with immigration but it because
00:14:06.660the liberals have failed so badly on controlling immigration and allowed they've allowed asylum
00:14:12.820fraud they've allowed immigration fraud to run rampant and that you know the interesting thing
00:14:18.740i remember when this came up in the american um polling and one of the most fascinating poll
00:14:25.060numbers was that immigrant communities that had come in legally were the most opposed to illegal
00:14:31.700immigration and the most frustrated by the mistakes being made policy-wise on immigration.
00:14:37.320And I think you find the same thing here. If you talk to one of my good friends who's a very strong
00:14:43.980conservative supporter who's Sikh about what's happened within the Sikh community, within some
00:14:49.760of the fraudulent schools that are used, gangland issues, his point to me has been it's the Sikh
00:14:57.680community that's the most offended by the fact that these criminals aren't put away, that they
00:15:02.700openly defraud the immigration system, the asylum system, the welfare system to support criminal
00:15:07.600syndicate behavior, and sometimes even Calistani terror networks, etc. And that is well known in
00:15:12.960the community, and they hate it. And they wish that there was a direct response to it and decent
00:15:17.860law enforcement and laws that were honored. And I think that Pierre actually has a very strong hand
00:15:22.540play on this because canada was the example of a modern pluralistic western society that was able
00:15:29.340to use immigration to buttress and build our economic momentum without allowing it to turn into
00:15:36.060the uh ghettoization of of groups and in the sort of violent unrest that you saw in parts of france
00:15:43.580parts of sweden etc where immigration had just happened on the basis of sort of compassion but
00:15:48.940but have been used by criminal syndicates to take advantage of these countries, the liberals have lost control of that badly.
00:15:57.100And, you know, when they've been challenged on it, they've made, you know, they've sort of added insult to injury by making across the board changes to education policies,
00:16:06.660which, you know, they simply needed to deal with immigration, not to destroy a bunch of kids that had actually come in on scholarships validly and were attending good schools.
00:16:15.420So I think there's something in that. The problem with so many of these issues is that they've been reduced.
00:16:21.960I'm going to interrupt you, David. Just going to give an update on the bottom of our screen there.
00:16:24.340We see the leaders are already taking their place. The debate's not supposed to start for another 10 minutes.
00:16:28.840Perhaps this is just sort of to get us all pumped up and psyched about the debate.
00:16:32.720But it looks like the leaders are taking the stage. So don't worry, folks, we're going to monitor it.
00:16:37.540We're not going to talk over the debate. We're going to let you watch that in full.
00:16:42.080and then david and i uh will be back afterwards and so like i said i think you know the base
00:16:45.840can be fun it's going to be good and i really have high hopes for the whole evening and uh
00:16:50.720what we're able to find out about mark carney um but i think that the most important part of the
00:16:55.520show will be the end when the journalists get to ask questions because they've allowed independent
00:17:00.000media in there so we have kian bexty we have clayton domain of true north and alex olton
00:17:04.960the three of them and i said earlier they've got like a game theory plan here they are going to
00:17:09.360get a question in and we are very excited about that the rebel is also there and there's also
00:17:14.080other independent journalists so i i have high hopes about that and um and then we're gonna
00:17:19.920then we're gonna join you at the end and we're gonna do a post debate uh you analysis and and
00:17:26.000tell you what we thought were the highlights of the debate and hopefully at that point we'll be
00:17:29.840able to get a call in from kian bextier one of the other reporters uh to ask them about how it
00:17:34.800it went from the inside so just to give you a little preview of that folks and so David I haven't
00:17:41.060had you on my show so far during this election cycle just wondering quickly if you could tell
00:17:45.760me like what do you think the main theme of this campaign has been I'll tell you I think it has
00:17:50.520been the Chinese election interference even though that hasn't dominated the headlines I think it's
00:17:54.880really shaken Mark Carney and he's not quite had the ability to answer those questions and it's
00:18:00.860of undermining his campaign is chipping away at his credibility um and and the fact that he's not
00:18:07.020very likable he's not very natural he doesn't seem to like canadians very much um that's all
00:18:11.980kind of coming up um but i i wonder what you think are the main themes of the campaign and then if
00:18:17.420you have any kind of predictions for the debate tonight yeah look that's that's a uh big question
00:18:25.580Maybe I'll start with the issue. I think that what defined the first half of this campaign
00:18:34.200and what defined the shift at the Liberal Party, the change of leadership at the top,
00:18:39.660was Donald Trump. And Trump's team has had three kind of overlapping mandates. One is to deal with
00:18:48.420the debt crisis in the United States, which is what's driven Doge. It's what's driven the
00:18:53.860repricing nine and a half trillion dollars of debt this year that's behind a lot of the things that
00:18:58.420are going on in terms of what they're doing with tariffs the other one is trade and the third one
00:19:02.580is security china is involved in all three of those themes and china is the critical thing
00:19:10.100the united states has to deal with on all three of those trade manufacturing nearshoring of critical
00:19:15.380minerals dual use technologies ip theft what's happening in terms of strategic realignment on
00:19:21.140security etc canada is actually caught between the china and united states dynamics right now
00:19:30.340in a very fundamental way and in ways that we are not acknowledging openly or dealing with openly
00:19:35.540and one of those is fentanyl the americans are well aware that our port of vancouver
00:19:40.340is completely penetrated by the chinese triads three big triads they just had a huge super lab
00:19:45.700bust another one up in bc we've got this dogma in canada that somehow this is all just a ruse and
00:19:53.540that we don't really have a drug problem yet we've lost 50 000 kids to drug deaths in the last 10
00:19:59.300years since the liberals took over 50 000 kids canadian kids have died from opioid abuse 93
00:20:07.140of that has been fentanyl and yet we've we're acting uh hurt by the fact that we're being told
00:20:13.060that we have a fentanyl problem because we've only captured 45 kilograms or whatever this
00:20:17.940completely bizarre myopic number is the reason that we've only captured that is because we don't
00:20:22.580have the right law enforcement and we don't have the screening at our ports etc and sam cooper's
00:20:27.060done a phenomenal job of spelling out just how bad this has gotten the other issue that we have
00:20:32.500in addition to fentanyl is we have a huge laundering operation the iranians are very
00:20:37.300involved with it the chinese are very involved with it we've had absolutely no effectiveness
00:20:42.180on this. We've lost track of what's estimated to be 600 IRGC agents inside Canada since we named
00:20:48.580them a designated terror group in June of last year. The degree to which Canada has lost control
00:20:53.780of its own security is almost impossible to describe unless you go through a list of things.
00:20:58.960You're seeing it kind of come out now with these RCMP letters over the foreign influence of these
00:21:04.640nine members that Carney has now re-enlisted in his current cabinet. But this party has a big
00:21:10.360problem with China because they got too close and the Chinese play for keeps, right? The Chinese
00:23:13.780If Mark Carney was an honorable person, if he was doing the right thing, he wouldn't
00:23:18.420be trying to game the system to just maximize the odds of him winning.
00:23:21.940Like, that's not the way that our democracy, that's not the spirit of our democracy, right?
00:23:25.240So, like, he's a new, unknown, he's a caretaker prime minister at this point.
00:23:30.180He doesn't even have a seat in Parliament.
00:23:32.800And so, you know, if he was just a person who was guided by his moral compass, he would say, OK, I'm going to I'm going to call for the longest election possible so that Canadians can really get to know me.
00:23:42.880I'm going to do as many debates as possible so that we can really discuss the ideas of our country.
00:23:48.220Right. That that that's the spirit of democracy.
00:23:50.000But Mark Carney doesn't have those values. His values very much are globalist, elitist.
00:23:55.800You know, they try to pretend that being part of the World Economic Forum is no big deal.
00:24:00.540It's not just that Mark Carney was part of the World Economic Forum.
00:24:03.180He kind of is the World Economic Forum.
00:24:29.900Anytime Trump is in the news, he'll use it as an excuse.
00:24:32.220So he's paused his campaign three times now to deal with Trump because that's all that they want Canadians thinking about and talking about because the more people are thinking to talk about Trump, the better he resonates.
00:24:42.280Just for the audience, we are keeping an eye on the screen.
00:33:55.700We need a leader who can make decisions to destabilize Trump and make him respect Canada.
00:34:03.160What does he plan to do with the new President of the United States?
00:34:08.780what do you plan to do with this president that is the elephant in the room so for your information
00:34:17.100there are 1060 73 days left in donald trump's term why do you think that you're the best person
00:34:25.100here tonight to negotiate with mr trump mr poly of 35 seconds first of all we will never
00:34:34.940be an american state we will remain sovereign on my first day as prime minister i will restart
00:34:42.860negotiations to accelerate a deal that will put an end to the tariffs and protect our sovereignty
00:34:50.300we can't control trump but at the same time we have to control what we can control we need to
00:34:56.300reverse liberal economic policies that have weakened our country we need to unleash our
00:35:02.140resources cut taxes and bring jobs back home so that we can face trump from a position of strength
00:35:10.380all right well first of all in a crisis you have to plan for the worst possible situation and you
00:35:17.180have to have a plan a plan to build a strong economy here in canada and we need to react with
00:35:24.140strength and those are the elements that will allow us to succeed with mr trump he respects
00:35:31.500strength he respects people who understand how the world works and who understand how the private
00:35:37.740sector works and canada needs to create other options new reliable partnerships around the
00:35:45.580world and that's what i'll thank you mr corney mr blanchet mr trump will hang from his own noose
00:35:55.660because their economy is dependent on ours but there will be a lot of harm done to canada to
00:36:02.860europe to mexico before then we have to realize that our joint gdp is bigger than the states our
00:36:11.100population is bigger than the states and so retaliation is going to hurt the states but
00:36:17.340we have to negotiate in a rational way and we shouldn't fall to fear and we shouldn't spin
00:36:23.340It's all about priorities. For me, now is the time to invest, not cut. It is the time
00:36:34.620to protect what we hold dear, our farmers, our culture, the French language. These things
00:36:40.500should not be sacrificed. It is time to defend who we are, what our values are. And we believe
00:36:49.000in helping one another. That's what we will do. How? We will strengthen our health care system.
00:36:55.960We will not let it be Americanized. That is crucial. We must defend who we are.
00:37:00.680So open debate to begin now for about 15 minutes. Mr. Poiliev, you have called Kearney
00:37:08.200a political grifter, a globalist banker who's disconnected from reality. And Mr. Kearney,
00:37:15.080said Pierre Poiliev is a career politician who knows nothing about how the real world works.
00:37:21.800So I ask you the question, which of you first is capable of standing up to Donald Trump?
00:37:29.480Mr. Poiliev. I am because I'm going to put Canada first.
00:37:33.960I will never compromise Canada's interests and I will control what we can control here.
00:37:42.200Obviously, no one will be able to control the decisions of Donald Trump, but we can control our economy, our domestic economy, by overturning liberal economic policies that have weakened our country and made us more dependent on the Americans.
00:38:00.260The issue is, Mr. Poiliev, you would make Canada more like the United States.
00:38:06.540You would Americanize our healthcare system, privatize it.
00:38:09.760Everyone knows that's what conservatives do.
00:38:13.060Mr. Carney, you said that you're better?
00:38:15.600All right. First of all, I know how to negotiate, and I agree with Mr. Singh.
00:38:21.360We need to start by saying what's never going to be on the table.
00:38:27.720The French language, Quebec's culture, and supply management will never be on the table.
00:38:32.080Our resources, that's the first thing.
00:38:33.960Second, in terms of Mr. Blanchet's point, the opportunities that we have with the European Union are there,
00:38:44.480and I've already started building new relationships with the European Union.
00:38:50.660As Prime Minister, I met with the President of France and with the President of the European Commission.
00:38:56.840There's a lot to unpack in there, let's be honest.
00:52:49.860The idea of the wage subsidy was to allow the worker to have a link to their job by giving them a subsidy so that the employer, should they want to, could rehire them, someone who had the skill to do the job.
00:53:10.600So there would be a transitional period where there could be temporary job losses, like for the case we've just heard.
00:53:20.300All the money from our counter tariffs will go directly to workers.
00:53:24.400Second, we have a strategic fund for manufacturing in Canada, specifically for the auto sector.
00:53:33.060And third, our counter-tariff system for the automotive sector contains an incentive of $7 billion for the automakers to keep production and workers here in Canada.
01:21:08.300And that's why Canadians and Quebecers now have to buy 139,000 barrels of U.S. oil every day.
01:21:14.940I will repeal C-69 to allow for the construction of hydroelectric projects, mines, and also pipelines,
01:21:25.300so that we can get around Donald Trump and be sovereign when it comes to energy.
01:21:31.260There's a competition as to who will be the biggest oil head here.
01:21:35.100the americans buy our oil we buy their oil because that's how geography works
01:21:41.580i want less oil but let us be let's be clear the the one that approved 9b for enbridge was me when
01:21:51.820i was the environment minister but i say that we have to progressively wean off of petrol and oil
01:21:57.420because the cost on families will be far worse than what Mr. Poeliev says.
01:22:03.360Paying for the consequences of climate change will cost billions of dollars every single year per family.
01:22:10.860Let us invest in Quebec's green energy.
01:22:13.120I'd like to ask a question to launch the debate.
01:22:15.880Mr. Carney, for 17 years now, the Liberals have been telling us
01:22:21.340that the only way to fight against climate change is to put a price on carbon.
01:22:27.420with the carbon tax there was elections on this but the first day you came to power
01:22:35.340you abolished this tax what should canadians understand from this is the fight against
01:22:41.660climate change no longer a priority for liberals not at all it is still a priority
01:22:46.220and it's a priority for canada we're talking a lot about diversifying our trade partners around
01:22:53.420the world the european union we need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in manufacturing and
01:23:01.020energy in all of our products so that we can have better access to that market but in terms of the
01:23:07.260carbon tax we cut the consumer carbon tax and that covers about six percent of the reduction in
01:23:17.020greenhouse gas emissions we are maintaining the industrial carbon tax for big polluters but we're
01:23:23.900creating a new market so that major polluters will pay people and households to make green decisions
01:23:31.980you would axe the second carbon tax as well the industrial tax you would emulate both
01:23:39.020so there's no not even a fight against climate change or no incentive except that's not true
01:23:45.980less gas there's a cost associated with using energy already but my approach is a pragmatic one
01:23:54.220for example the national bank calculated that if we export our natural gas our liquefied natural gas
01:24:01.980to india for example to replace coal that could reduce emissions in india by 2.5 billion tons
01:24:11.180That's three times the emissions of all of Canada and would also bring a lot of money back to Canada.
01:24:21.180The Liberals are blocking the construction of the pipeline and of the LNG plants.
01:24:29.180plants. For example, LNG Quebec is a project that would make it possible for us to sell our energy
01:24:36.860very profitably to Europe and reduce Europe's dependence on Putin. And that's what I would
01:24:45.500like to do instead of feeding into Putin's war machine. Mr. Carney's abolition of the carbon tax
01:24:52.220means that Canadians outside of Quebec will receive a rebate for several weeks still
01:24:58.940for a tax that has been cut. So, this puts Quebec in an unjust position. What are you asking in this
01:25:07.100respect? Another element. It might give Mr. Connors an opportunity to answer. Last year,
01:25:14.540Canada invested 30 billion dollars in oil. Trans Mountain cost 40 billion dollars. It took nine
01:25:22.160years to build it. That means that with only just these elements, that's 16 billion dollars of Quebec
01:25:29.240money that was invested in oil. Do you want a great energy worksite? It's Quebec's green
01:25:40.580worksite. So let's invest there. We've got to the $3.7 billion. The government would preemptively
01:25:48.420reimburse the carbon tax. Now they've canceled the carbon tax before the elections, but they're
01:25:54.100still sending reimbursements for expenditures that people won't have to do because the carbon tax no
01:25:59.660longer exists. Quebec is responsible and still has a carbon trade system like California. We're being
01:26:06.180penalized. We're taking $800 million out of Quebec's pockets. That's $100 per person,
01:26:13.620including newborn babies. $800 from everyone's pockets. $100 from everyone's pockets to
01:26:21.620offer electoral baubles just before election. Is there not an injustice there?
01:26:25.540It's not an injustice. Quebec is a pioneer in carbon markets, and that's clear. First point.
01:26:33.220And the second point, Canadians outside of Quebec and British Columbia have paid the carbon tax, and as such, they receive the carbon rebate, and all Canadians, including Quebecers, will receive the middle class tax cut.
01:27:01.500because we have we have what we've done what we've done there's a principle here there's an
01:27:10.820important principle here yes you're going to speak in a moment just in terms of clarity for
01:27:16.340those who are listening to us what reimbursement are you talking about the the rebate no not in
01:27:24.520Quebec. No, not in Quebec. But there's a principle here. We are making people whole,
01:27:35.320people who paid the carbon tax, and we're doing that in a fair way. Europe, Quebec,
01:27:41.440and California has a system that incentivizes companies to reduce their greenhouse gas
01:27:48.300emissions it's about nine cents per liter and it's much cheaper than the potential effects and
01:27:55.900the future effects of climate change back to the debate topic we are talking about the climate
01:28:00.620crisis here that is not something that is a long way off this is something going on right now we
01:28:07.020are already in the midst of the climate crisis we have seen it here in quebec extreme temperatures
01:28:12.700forest fires flooding i agree with mr blanchet that it is too high a cost to bear so we need
01:28:22.140to do something i spoke with uh one mother before i became a father and she said i'm worried about
01:28:28.940my children when they play outside i'm worried about the bc forest fires our children cannot
01:28:34.380breathe the air outside and now that i am a father i feel the same anxiety
01:28:42.700With forest fires, people cannot breathe the air.
01:29:33.660I'll say what it means. I'll tell you.
01:29:35.980Quebecers who buy oil from Alberta, it's got to go through the U.S. currently, which gives Donald Trump power over our own energy.
01:29:48.220You say you're in favor of sovereignty. I'm in favor of economic sovereignty and energy sovereignty, and that requires a pipeline across Canada.
01:29:56.580yet another scarecrow the u.s will never bomb their economy so much by sacrificing a hugely
01:30:05.460profitable product that's such an amazing argument how much will your pipeline cross cost
01:30:14.660trans mountain cost 40 billion dollars but now you want a 4 600 kilometer pipeline without
01:30:20.740investors with europe that doesn't even want it in the first place just to clarify i
01:30:27.860would never subsidize pipelines that's unnecessary they're very profitable the only reason why it's
01:30:36.500expensive now is because there are rules and legislation that prevent the construction of
01:30:43.300pipelines because of bureaucracy we're going to get rid of red tape we're going to open this up
01:30:50.740cutting environmental regulations, if Indigenous nations, in spite of all your nice efforts,
01:30:57.440I'm talking about Mr. Carney and you who won a pipeline, if they refuse, what do you do?
01:31:02.240Refuse? Are you saying across the board?
01:39:10.680Yeah. It's a choice that Quebec and the provinces will make.
01:39:17.320But we have a major advantage here in Canada. We have uranium.
01:39:22.360We have big nuclear companies, including Westinghouse, Candu, and others, and we have technology in small modular reactors, so it's a great opportunity.
01:39:36.360I understand there are countries in the world that need nuclear energy. I don't think Canada needs nuclear energy. Quebec doesn't want it. I'm not going to interfere in Canadian energy.
01:39:47.360Canadian energy. Quebecers don't want nuclear energy. I'm also the one that managed the
01:39:56.580closure of the plant. But we're not going to reopen it.
01:40:02.400As a national project, I am in favor of an east-west energy grid that would connect Quebec
01:40:11.680with Manitoba and BC to transport clean energy. I'm not so much in favor of nuclear energy.
01:40:18.220I support renewable and hydro energy more.
01:40:21.320In favor. That's one of the best sources of electricity. It provides 60% of the electricity
01:40:29.800in Ontario. Unfortunately, bureaucracy slows down construction without adding any safety.
01:40:37.080I would take the politicians off the Nuclear Safety Commission and allow scientists to do the work
01:40:44.520so that we can add that source of energy to the portfolio.
01:40:49.720This is the first time I've heard Mr. Paulyev say something pro-science.
01:40:57.320Next theme, immigration and foreign affairs.
01:40:59.240there are lots of issues with immigration that are linked to donald trump it's hard
01:41:09.240to immigrate these days i'd like to stay if i can find a good job we have to deal with
01:41:14.840people who are arriving in droves because people arriving and they don't have work
01:41:20.920should we let them in or not why not why not welcome them if we have the capacity
01:41:25.400do you think we should let them let in anyone who wants to come
01:41:29.520in the united in the united states there's one rule in canada there's another
01:41:34.360i think everyone should follow the rule
01:41:36.080we know there are over 500 000 haitians currently living in the united states who are now being
01:41:45.780threatened with deportation they might lose their temporary protection i'll show you the numbers
01:41:51.300here. This is the number of people crossing the border in Saint-Bernard-de-Lacol. 1411
01:42:01.780people in the first half of April. That's more than in March, February or January. So you can
01:42:06.580see the numbers are growing. Simple question. You have 35 seconds each. Would you accept these
01:42:12.420Haitians into Canada or not? Mr. Carney. Well, first of all, this is a question of humanity.
01:42:18.740this is a human issue and these are some of the most vulnerable people in north america
01:42:25.860but there are limits we have to be human but we have to be realistic canada cannot accept
01:42:32.180everyone and we have an agreement with the americans the safe third country agreement
01:42:38.980And under that agreement, we will send back most asylum seekers.
01:42:48.940So they would be mostly sent back to the U.S.
01:44:28.060them back under the safety of their country agreement? Unfortunately they have to be returned
01:44:32.700because immigration has to follow the normal entry points. Quebecers are extremely generous
01:44:41.740and welcoming. They welcomed my wife as Mr. Blanchet mentioned but the Liberal government
01:44:48.540has abused Quebecers generosity with an out of control immigration system.
01:44:54.780the population has grown three times faster than the number of new homes built this has created a
01:45:03.180housing crisis in Quebec they're at the breaking point and the government of Quebec has been given
01:45:09.900the power to choose immigrants that was under the Mulroney government that that power was delegated
01:45:17.980to Quebec so we need to have realistic numbers realistic based on our housing capacity
01:45:24.780What Mr. Poilievre is saying is that immigrants should be blamed for something that is really the fault of successive conservative and liberal governments who have not invested enough in our resources, who have not built enough housing, who have not welcomed people in the way that they should have been welcomed.
01:54:23.260And that's an indication that there is a problem with productivity in that department.
01:54:28.900That takes resources, but it's also a question of productivity.
01:54:32.000Why not hitting the brake pedal with kindness, of course?
01:54:38.000Why not slow things down until we have a good system and a good public service for immigration that can deal with files in a few months?
01:54:47.000The rhythm is far too quick, and so we can't succeed at this rate.
01:54:52.000Great. People for economic reasons or who are in distress for other reasons come to Canada and they're lost because their files aren't being processed.
02:11:42.680It's the common language of Quebec, and I will defend French.
02:11:48.920My father was a Francophone from Saskatchewan.
02:11:53.720I lost my French a little bit when I was a teenager, but I married a Quebecer.
02:11:59.780Our children speak French, and I understand why French needs to be protected.
02:12:03.700And that is why I will continue to support laws and policies that allow Quebec and the federal government to protect French all across Canada.
02:12:12.200using the notwithstanding clause to protect something, you're against that, Mr. Carney?
02:12:19.200Well, there is a general question here around the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way.
02:12:29.200And it's not necessarily a question just for Quebec.
02:12:32.200It's been used in Quebec, but it could also apply in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario.
02:12:38.200And it has. And so the question is, do we have rights and freedoms here in Canada?
02:12:43.180Are we equal? And we need to consider the right balance, certainly.
02:12:52.380But the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way, that's a question for the Supreme Court.
02:12:57.600Mr. Blanchet, in terms of the use of the notwithstanding clause, obviously you have no problem with that.
02:13:11.860And this wasn't signed on by Quebec. It was tested.
02:13:18.100It's not the type of use that is in question. It's how it is used.
02:13:23.200The Supreme Court has already decided. Mr Carney wants to turn to the Supreme Court to disagree with itself in the decision it made with Quebec.
02:13:30.080There are interveners from Quebec who have challenged this to the Supreme Court.
02:13:38.560You are going to take Quebec taxpayer money to contest a Quebec bill that is under Quebec
02:13:44.800jurisdiction that was adopted by the National Assembly of Quebec.
02:13:48.480Mr. Singh on this notwithstanding clause for French.
02:13:52.560I believe in protecting the French language.
02:13:57.040During this debate, I have tried to bring up health a few times.
02:13:59.520Mr Roy cut me off a number of times. Look at my time on the clock. Every time I tried to bring up
02:14:06.320health care, I was responding directly to something that Mr Carney said, because health is
02:14:11.200something that is important for me. It is about identity. It's something I am very passionate
02:14:17.200about. And every time I tried to bring it up, Mr Roy called me out and cut me off. That is not fair.
02:14:23.600For me, the question of health care is crucial. When I talk to people on the street and ask them
02:14:28.880what is important to them, they say universal public health care. People ought to know that
02:14:35.920the other leaders on this stage tonight would cut health care funding. And I think that's wrong.
02:14:43.040No, no, no. Not now, Mr. Blanchet. No, neither Mr. Blanchet nor I have said this. And I need to
02:14:50.720tell people because it's important. This is what I believe in. This is what I believe in and what
02:14:55.600the NDP believes in. That's not right to make allegations like that. We talked about health
02:15:00.400earlier, I let you speak, but now we're moving on to another topic. Yes, but now we need to bring
02:15:05.760it up in in the context of identity. What is Canadian identity? Healthcare. We have to bring
02:15:11.760it up in this part of the debate. Canadian identity is about taking care of one another.
02:15:16.720We need our universal public healthcare system. It should be strengthened. It should be
02:15:20.800protected we are in the midst of a health care crisis it's supposed to be an open debate so we
02:15:26.560should be able to talk about whatever topic comes up there's a lot of risk when it comes to
02:15:34.000the health of a language let's talk about language there's health care issues in quebec as well and
02:15:40.080i am here to protect the healthcare system for everyone including quebec outside of quebec mr
02:15:44.720Singh and others. The weighting of francophones has gone from 6% in 71% to 3.5% in 2021.
02:15:54.960How will you reverse this trend? People are listening to you across Canada.
02:15:59.280Well, first of all, we are going to increase the level of francophone immigrants outside of Quebec.
02:16:08.240will increase that from 10 to 12 percent. Second, we will strengthen Radio Canada and CBC with new
02:16:18.000governance structure and new money. Mr. Poliev wants to cut that. We are going to strengthen the
02:16:26.240telefilm industry and the Canadian Council for the Arts so that we can increase training.
02:16:30.720First of all, the Conservative Party supported the federal legislation to ensure that federally
02:16:43.000regulated workplaces in Quebec follow Bill 101.
02:16:48.380We also will increase funding to allow young people to take part in French immersion for
02:16:58.960anglophones coming from outside quebec and that will enrich the french language and third we'll
02:17:03.520make sure quebec has more control over immigrant selection so that they can better choose those
02:17:12.240who can be francized and integrated into the labor market and quebec culture that's what
02:17:20.000we want to do to protect the french language mr colliev of course your position on radio canada
02:17:26.560and the CBC. It has created a lot of concerns. You've continued to say that you would protect
02:17:34.240Radio-Canada because it provides a service to francophone minorities across the country,
02:17:38.800but you would abolish the CBC. How is such a thing possible?
02:17:42.880Well, it is possible. We have news networks.
02:17:47.440But they share the same buildings. You understand how difficult it would be.
02:17:50.080I do understand the situation. I will protect Radio-Canada's services because there's already other French-language news services.
02:18:02.020TVA is an example. So it is possible to have a news service that's focused on French news services.
02:18:12.340And the CBC can just operate with its own revenues as an NGO, as a non-governmental organization.
02:18:20.580The principle is that the government should simply do what the market cannot do.
02:18:26.500And the market would never be able to provide exclusive French services to francophones all across Canada.
02:18:37.780So there is a role for the government to play in defending French news services.
02:18:42.980When I was a young person in Calgary, that was the only way for me to get news in French.
02:18:48.580So I would protect those services because there's a good reason to do that.
02:36:34.380They got to all five key issues, but they allowed a fair amount of free form engagement.
02:36:40.380And I don't think Carney has had much of that.
02:36:43.380I think that almost everything he's done has been heavily scripted, heavily controlled.
02:36:48.380I think that his engagement has been very scripted.
02:36:51.380And this was the first time that you've sort of seen somebody able to take him out of the shadow boxing, sort of sparring in the ring moment.
02:36:59.740And actually, he's now in an arena where he's facing people telling him he's wrong.
02:37:04.580And I thought the engagement, particularly between Blanchett and Carney, showed Carney to have a weekend.
02:37:14.120I thought that the kind of more interesting parts of the debate were later on.
02:37:18.640there was a weird exchange where Polyev was talking about, or they were talking about housing,
02:37:23.120which is a good issue. I wish I spent more time talking about that. But Polyev tried to, sorry,
02:37:27.800Jagmeet Singh tried to say that Polyev didn't have a good record that he was once the housing
02:37:31.160minister. And yet he had only built six houses. I don't know what that meant. And Polyev was like,
02:37:40.120no, I built 200,000 homes. And Jagmeet Singh was like, no, you only built six. Like, I don't really
02:37:45.400understand I didn't understand that that part what did you think of that well I think what's
02:37:50.920happened you know the great thing about debates is that everybody allows their base to like publish
02:37:57.540a fun meme or you know say something kind of snappy and it gains a life of its own even if
02:38:03.280it's a little bit fact-free and what happens these leaders end up run down they've got almost no time
02:38:09.460in the day to think for themselves they're out there they repeat things that have a bit of an
02:38:14.000applause line on the hustings. And then they make the mistake of taking that into an actual debate
02:38:19.740without actually having the fact base done. And I think Pierre was ready for that, because
02:38:23.980that is something that I've seen both the liberals and the NDP using, and it's simply not a smart
02:38:29.540argument. But it has played poorly, and it actually played very much into Polio's hands,
02:38:35.880because I think that he was able to present himself as a safe pair of hands. He had a couple
02:38:41.000moments where he was kind of laughing you know there's a bit of engagement on strawberries and
02:38:45.160other things that you know it's sort of it's quirky but i think if you look at the dynamics
02:38:51.400around how this election has evolved because of the proroguing he hasn't had much of a chance to
02:38:57.480get a national platform in the way that he had had it before the proroguing and i think this in a way
02:39:05.320humanized him now naturally i'm a partisan i'm a conservative i want him to win i want him to look
02:39:10.840human i want him to do well but i would say even if he wasn't my guy on the stage uh i would have
02:39:17.160thought that he did really well and i think you know i'll talk with a couple liberal friends
02:39:21.960after we're done here and say what did you think and i think they'll be worried about carney my
02:39:26.840guess is carney loses between two and four points on this debate alone but i think but i think he
02:39:33.800loses a lot in quebec i think quebec will shift back to the block uh that's my my big prediction
02:39:40.920i think it was that bad for him given what i'm hearing from from friends of mine that are in
02:39:46.040quebec that i think are very centrist voters uh carney was wooden in in critical moments and he
02:39:52.600was evasive particularly on the notwithstanding clause and i honestly if if i was one of his
02:39:58.200his advisors have no idea why he chose to go technocrat on that clause when he knows what's
02:40:05.580at stake for Quebec. And I think that, you know, his weird sort of idea that, well, you know,
02:40:11.140Alberta and Saskatchewan, Ontario would also use this and we have to, I mean, it's just like,
02:40:14.900of course we would, it's constitutional. And the idea that Quebec can't use it for culture and
02:40:20.500language or that that would be controversial is crazy. Pierce was very strong on that. I think
02:40:26.320going to strengthen his hand in Quebec. And I think that Bach is going to take votes away from
02:40:32.080the Liberals. I think this could be the beginning of a shift. Interesting. I will say, just so the
02:40:37.840audience knows, so 8.15 is when we're told Mark Carney is going to go. And like I said,
02:40:41.840KMVX is first in line. So folks, this is going to be good. Get some popcorn.
02:40:50.480So we're going to keep an eye on that. And I promise we'll go to it
02:40:53.840as soon as possible i i obviously i have more of the conservative persuasion i think pierre
02:40:59.360for my ears did really well like i liked what he was saying i think it's great the reason i said
02:41:03.280that blanchette won the debate is because it's quebec like it's a french language debate so it's
02:41:07.680for all canadians but really this was the quebec debate and i don't know how popular conservative
02:41:13.360ideas are in quebec i'm told not very um i thought the pipeline part was interesting especially when
02:41:18.880And Pierre Polyev said that pipelines are popular in Quebec and that people in Quebec support them, which I think is right.
02:41:26.380I think that obviously there's the environmental crowd in Montreal, and those are the loudest and those are the people that don't want the pipeline.
02:41:32.260Others sort of wonder what was in it for Quebec or, you know, there's risk, but there might not be a benefit.
02:41:36.960And I think that Polyev did a pretty good job of explaining why.
02:41:42.500So, you know, I think Polyev looked fantastic.
02:41:45.960I didn't like the voice that they had for him.
02:41:48.800I will say that was like a little pet peeve of mine.
02:43:59.280You have to have the courage in the political sense of the term, and as I always say, we are the masters of our own faith, and Mr. Poilier has picked up on that and is saying the same thing.
02:44:17.660So we have the opportunity of building the strongest economy in the G7, and I have the plan to do that.
02:44:24.800Hi, Mr. Gurney, Key and Bextie, Juno News.
02:44:27.400In your estimation, was Justin Trudeau a good prime minister?
02:44:31.840Yeah, Justin Trudeau and the previous administration made a number of contributions to this country.
02:44:40.160I suspect since I have 10 minutes, I think, right, for the responses, I'm not going to enumerate them all.
02:44:46.100I'll make one point which I think is relevant on the way looking forward,
02:44:49.940which is, as I said the other night in an interview,
02:44:54.080He and I, we share the same values in terms of solidarity, taking care of one another,
02:45:00.180the emphasis on reconciliation, emphasis on equality of all Canadians,
02:45:06.300and building a better country for everyone else.
02:45:09.180The difference, one of the differences, there are many, but one of the differences between the two of us
02:45:13.220goes to the question I was just asked, which is I put much more emphasis on the economy,
02:45:19.100In fact, in this circumstance that we're in, given the scale of the crisis and what needs to be done, I would say a relentless focus on growing the economy to work for all Canadians.
02:45:29.520Just to follow up, if I may, your entire campaign does seem to be predicated on putting you in the front and hiding the people that stood in lockstep with Justin Trudeau for the last 10 years.
02:45:39.860You're kind of hoping that Canadians won't connect the dots that the people standing behind you in your caucus walked in lockstep with them.
02:45:45.960And regardless of what you say right now, Stephen Gobeau made the carbon taxes life work.
02:45:50.300The man that moved Paul Bernardo from a maximum security prison is now your chief of staff.
02:45:55.320I'm wondering how you reconcile this and how you can trust their judgment when they thought those ideas were good ideas.
02:46:00.280I'd say a couple of things to that rather odd question.
02:46:03.760First is that the candidates in this election for the Liberal Party, I mean, you go and see when I make an announcement.
02:46:11.900I don't think I've seen you at any of them, but next time you can come.
02:46:14.820And you will see a wide range of the candidates that are there presenting themselves.
02:46:21.080So, for example, with respect to our announcement on crime, we had Bill Blair, now the Minister of Defence, of course, formerly the Chief of Police in a long time in Toronto.
02:46:32.280and Natalie Provo, who is a new candidate, we're honored to have her, and someone who's dedicated
02:46:40.860their life to helping to end gun violence and violence against women. There is a very wide
02:46:46.680range of candidates that have come to the party with me. There's a lot of fresh blood. There's
02:46:52.120also a lot of experience that's there, and you need that combination of energy, new ideas,
02:46:56.840experience and and a fundamental passion for making this country better uh in order to serve
02:47:04.200at this crucial time thank you very much question question you said during the debate that you want
02:47:15.240to introduce a cap on immigration in all categories mr trudeau had already taken steps to reduce
02:47:25.080annual numbers in terms of immigration answer while my thinking is more in line in terms of
02:47:35.160keeping the levels where they are currently for a long period of time and in the meantime
02:47:45.960increasing our capacity of welcoming if i made the various people measures or levels of uh the
02:47:52.520different classes of immigration as roughly as they are today so it's not a as the question was
02:47:58.280a further reduction but we probably are going to need them to keep them at those levels for longer
02:48:04.040until we have built up our capacity to uh to welcome which means housing language formation
02:48:09.480other factors question you said that you wanted to increase oil production and that you're open
02:48:19.800to pipeline projects from west to east while it can take years to build a pipeline how
02:48:28.120are you going to present this as a way for canada to be more independent than the us if it takes
02:48:33.960years to build answer i mean there are different aspects of this question if our relationship with
02:48:47.160the us is being is there's an upheaval in that relationship and it is the case
02:48:54.360as you said this reflects on the medium term and secondly
02:48:59.400in canada we have this option and that will only strengthen our hand in the negotiations with the
02:49:08.280president of the u.s and that is useful right now keep the answers and questions very short please
02:49:14.120absolutely alex sultan with true north uh if you thought my friend's question was odd you're
02:49:17.960going to love this one i'm glad you self self-assess that okay how many genders are there
02:49:23.480In terms of sex, there are two. Thank you.
02:49:29.240My follow-up question then, do you believe that women, biological women, have the right to their
02:49:35.400own spaces? Their own sports, their own change rooms, their own prisons, their own homeless
02:49:41.160shelters? I think we, this is Canada, and that as a general objective, yes.
02:49:50.680we but we work in where we value all Canadians for who they are and we'll
02:50:01.180continue to do so thank you very much thank you Missy oh okay so we got two
02:50:13.120questions to Mr. Carney and interesting. I think that Kian Bexy's question really caught him off
02:50:22.500guard and he didn't quite know what to say about Justin Trudeau because, I mean, I don't think he
02:50:30.620was expecting that question at all. And as far as Alex Sultans, I mean, again, wow, really caught
02:50:36.760him off guard uh david can you can you hear me what did you think of that yeah i i thought
02:50:42.580those guys sean you know we need more of that in canadian media we've got um those are those
02:50:50.880are the questions that people are actually asking around their dinner table that's what people talk
02:50:56.560about right now people actually have a huge debate around what's happening with this trans madness
02:51:02.160The high court in the UK has just determined women are biological.
02:51:08.160There's been enormous debate around this issue.
02:51:11.160People are tired of seeing little girls hurt by men in sports that have different biology.
02:51:17.160And, you know, the guys have just put their finger on it.
02:51:20.160And I love Alex Hilton's self-deprecating way of setting up this question saying, you know, I know that you may not appreciate the question or you might find it crazy.
02:51:29.160kind of crazy, but that's that's where people live their life.
02:51:32.520And I think one of the things people forget about elections is that they pivot not just
02:51:36.760on the they pivot on hearts and minds and the minds issues are the economy, trade, how
02:51:42.480you manage Trump, immigration, you know, the issues of cost of living, et cetera.
02:51:48.180But the hard issues are the issues where people look at what's happening around them and they
02:51:52.500decide, can my can my wife or girlfriend walk through the street to meet me at a restaurant
02:51:58.340tonight or is that just too dangerous is this is are the streets just not walkable like they are
02:52:03.300in so many other countries right and uh can my kid go to school without being told that he might
02:52:09.480have been born in the wrong body and that there's some kind of surgical process for dealing with
02:52:15.340gender dysphoria rather than being encouraged to connect with his parents and connect to people
02:52:20.560that can help him through that process those are the things that actually really move people
02:52:24.800because they're asking a simple question is this the country that i want my kids to inherit
02:52:29.720right and and on the economy stuff you don't want your kids to inherit all kinds of debt
02:52:34.620that the boomer grandparents are going to pass on to them but on the on the cultural stuff that's
02:52:39.760the thing that really actually moves people that's the stuff that keeps people up at night
02:52:43.620and i think it's interesting too because those were the questions that we didn't get in the
02:52:47.520debate right like kian's question was put him on the spot about justin trudeau right this remember
02:52:52.560this happened with Kamala Harris. She was on The View. It was like a safe interview during the
02:52:57.0602024 U.S. election. And she was just asked, like, what would you do differently than Biden? And she
02:53:01.560didn't have a good answer. She stuttered. She said, I think we just saw something quite similar
02:53:05.880to that with Mark Carney, because he it's like he wasn't prepped for that question. Right. And so
02:53:12.720he just gave his honest answer, which was I love Justin Trudeau. I believe everything that he does.
02:53:17.580We have the same vision of Canada, which has Jordan Peterson laid out very well in his video
02:53:21.840critique of Mark Carney. Their vision of Canada and their values are not Canadian values.
02:58:45.760And I had the opportunity of sharing to what extent it's important because we're faced with a crisis and it's a crisis that we can fix.
02:58:53.060And I think people in Quebec, people across the country now know how important that is for me and how I can defend something that's key for me.
03:05:36.820The French language outside of Quebec, are you talking about expanding, and you talk about expanding access to immersion.
03:05:42.740But what do you think about hundreds of Francophone children who don't have a place for themselves in schools
03:05:48.300because we are not building a sufficient number of Francophone schools outside of Quebec?
03:05:52.660So will you support the construction of schools?
03:05:55.380Answer. Thank you. This is a very good question.
03:05:59.820i had the opportunity of going to a french immersion school where my father also taught
03:06:10.300so this is something that is very important to me and i know that there's a lot of demand
03:06:16.300but at the end of the day it's a provincial area of competence so it's up to them to decide what
03:06:25.900schools are going to be built in what communities but i'm open to fully collaborate collaborating
03:06:32.540with the provinces to make sure that more spaces are available but what i had in mind actually is
03:06:39.580about an announcement we already shared on immersion opportunities which would allow
03:06:45.420young adolescents to go to quebec to sagney and to other places where there is a high concentration
03:06:53.100of uh french where they would only have the option of speaking french they would do that for five
03:06:59.500weeks when i had when i was about 20 years old i had the opportunity to do something along those
03:07:05.900lines and we would double such programs to allow young francophones to go to quebec and to take
03:07:13.100part in these immersion programs so that they speak the french language better thank you question
03:07:19.100francophone immigration outside of quebec mr carney announced their target going from 10 to 12
03:07:28.460what's your objective what's your target answer i think it's a reasonable level i agree with him
03:07:36.300on that and our party has already announced that we are in favor of increasing the number of
03:07:43.340francophone immigrants who are who come to canada but who end up settling outside of quebec
03:07:50.380so that we can add to the demographic weight and strengthen the french language so we will
03:07:56.620work hand in hand with the different communities to increase the number of francophones who are
03:08:02.380coming to canada to make it their country thank you sheila gun reed for rebel news yes we've seen
03:08:09.420the NDP tonight refused to take questions from independent journalists. The Liberals have gone
03:08:14.360one step further. The Carney campaign has called the police on independent journalists. Trudeau
03:08:19.000before that brought in C-18, C-11. The Liberals are promising a revamped version of the Online
03:08:25.620Harms Act. What would a Conservative government do to ensure the independence of the press
03:08:31.340and protect Canadians' right to have access to information and hold their politicians to account?
03:08:37.860We are the only party that's willing to protect freedom of the press, of all the media, and we will also repeal C11, the censorship law.
03:08:48.760We will remove the censorship of Canadian news on web platforms like Facebook and Instagram, and we will fight back against any kind of Orwellian online censorship law like the one that the previous Liberal government instituted.
03:09:13.020it was designed to create the possibility of preemptive arrests of people where you could
03:09:22.180be arrested if you were suspected of sometime in the future planning to say something harmful
03:09:29.820online you could be under a peace bond I mean that is it really is Orwellian and I note that
03:09:36.520many people across the spectrum have spoken out against this censorship even someone like Margaret
03:09:42.780Atwood, not known to be a conservative, has said that this kind of censorship is not only bad for
03:09:49.140democracy, but inhibits artistic expression. So I stand for free speech, and we will respect the
03:09:56.320right of Canadians to have access to the media that they choose. My follow-up, Canada's suffering
03:10:05.240the most violent anti-Semitic crime wave in history. Yes. There have been shootings, fire
03:10:10.620bombings, even a riot right here in Montreal. But not all of this anti-Semitic hatred and
03:10:16.540incitement rises to the high level of a criminal co-defense. Do you believe that foreign nationals,
03:10:22.700that is people who are not Canadian citizens, should be deported for participating in these
03:10:28.360hate marches or other pro-Hamas activities that don't rise to the level of a crime?
03:10:33.500Well, what I have said is when there is a crime involved, including crimes of vandalism, that visitors to Canada should be deported.
03:10:45.680You simply can't come here and firebomb a Jewish bakery or someone's home or smash windows out of a political riot and expect to stay in this country if you are on a visitor visa.
03:10:58.980We will be bringing in tougher laws to penalize those who are permanent residents and citizens who break laws and harm our communities.
03:11:08.380But look, this is the disintegration we have witnessed after the lost liberal decade.
03:11:15.720Everybody is divided. This group is divided against that group. There is crime and chaos in our streets.
03:11:22.800The Liberals have promoted this division by saying one thing to one group
03:11:27.100and then exactly the opposite to a different group.
03:11:31.980We had a tradition in this country before this government
03:11:35.400where you could come from conflict-ridden places in the world
03:22:42.060I thought I'll take it easy on Mark, but he treated me quite poorly.
03:22:45.900You know, I asked him a pretty fair question. Was Justin Trudeau a good prime minister? That's something that Pierre Polyev would be able to answer pretty clearly about Stephen Harper. But Mark Carney just waffled in a lot of ums, a lot of ahs. And he didn't really have an answer to the question, which I thought was pretty fair, given my history of some pointed questions that I usually ask politicians. I gave it to him easy.
03:23:08.180And then the follow-up was a little bit harder, of course, but I had to be the way he was treating me.
03:23:12.400I think that it's fair that we sort of, we sting him a bit with some questions that the CBC would never ask.
03:23:19.240So when the legacy media showed up to the mic after the debates, they asked the same questions that we had already covered in the debates, right?
03:23:25.740The debates talked a lot about the costing of the platforms, a lot about the environment, like they covered immigration.
03:23:31.620And yet they just asked the same questions, whereas it was the independent press.
03:23:36.000I love the fact that there were such an array of voices.
03:23:38.860There were a couple of independent outlets that I had never heard of before asking questions.
03:23:42.680I don't think that they were all conservative.
03:23:44.140I think a couple of them were French language.
03:23:46.360A couple of them were probably even on the left.
03:35:50.600Absolutely. No, they wear the same color jersey right under their outfit. They're wearing
03:35:56.040team liberal party NDP jerseys. They have a vested personal interest. And this is typical
03:36:03.040of the press, which is what makes independent press so important, because it's okay for there
03:36:08.360to be hard left journalists. I don't mind if there's a Marxist journalist that wants to ask
03:36:11.960a question of Jagmeet Singh or Per Polly. That's what makes society strong. If you don't know how
03:36:16.800to respond to a question from someone that believes the state should own everything then
03:36:21.620you shouldn't be a political leader in a country that has people that have that viewpoint because
03:36:25.740the laws you have to pass will have to deal with that viewpoint and point out why that viewpoint
03:36:29.500is horrible for humanity uh right like you've got to understand those things and that's what
03:36:34.780creates strength in in any society and i think i think uh i just feel incredibly proud of uh it's
03:36:42.140it's juno and true north and rebel showed up and asked great questions hard questions and they
03:36:48.620showed by asking those questions what a guy like jagmeet singh is made of you know the illustration
03:36:55.020the fact that he couldn't answer the fact that he tried to grandstand uh his non-answers has painted
03:37:02.060him to into a corner and reduced him completely as an individual that hopes to lead so terrific
03:37:07.900absolutely terrific night for the country terrific for independent media and a great debate that the
03:37:13.820hosts should be very proud of themselves one of my favorite points by the way was i've got a lot
03:37:19.180of friends internationally and they'll they'll sort of you know they'll they'll key into something
03:37:23.260and i i think if you keyed into that debate and saw the seriousness with which it was announced
03:37:28.540that because there's a hockey game on tonight we're pushing the day forward i mean it's just
03:37:33.660there's something there's something stereotypically canadian isn't it it's beautiful yeah yeah well i
03:37:39.740made a tick tock about that but i was saying i don't think we're a real country when the hockey
03:37:42.860games who precedes democracy but you know maybe that's what we think that might that might mean
03:37:49.980we've got you know less to worry about than we think if that's a lot enough that's a good point
03:37:55.020that's a good point all right david well i really appreciate having you on hopefully we'll have you
03:37:57.740back i think you're going to join us again tomorrow we're going to do the show again for
03:38:01.020the english debate and i think it'll be really good we're really looking forward to that so
03:38:05.100uh thanks for your time tonight as always that's david knight leg who is a political commentator
03:38:09.820from alberta thank you so much you bet talk soon goodbye all right folks well we're gonna wrap it
03:38:15.500up i really appreciate everyone who stayed on and watched thank you for the super chats as well let
03:38:20.140me just pull open because i think we've been keeping a list of these super chats so we had
03:38:24.380earlier in the show stavano who gave us 140 dollars said candace thank you let's go pierre yes
03:38:29.580i would farm girl that gave 25 with no comment but thank you farm girl we had d.y pep ten dollars
03:38:36.380this is carney's voice did they use ai when carney responds to full canadians uh i don't know but i
03:38:43.340did i did comment that i didn't like the voices that they used for the translators i felt like
03:38:48.940they gave pier poliev an annoying voice um and it it was very off-putting and i think that
03:38:56.380Blanchett got the nice voice, the one with the British accent. So that was interesting. Anyway,
03:39:00.860folks, I'll be back. I'm going to do a show tomorrow for the KS Podcast show. And I'm really
03:39:04.620looking forward to it because I'm going to provide the highlights of the debate and some of the
03:39:08.540lowlights of the responses to our questions. And you're going to want to see that. And then tomorrow
03:39:13.580night, we'll be back. The debate is later, I believe it starts at 8pm Eastern time. And so
03:39:18.300we'll have a similar format. And we'll also try to get our reporters to call in after the event.
03:39:23.980and hopefully they'll get some more questions i don't know i don't know if they'll be allowed back
03:39:28.460in the building after tonight but hopefully they will and you know this is the great thing about
03:39:35.420these debates like the reason that independent media are able to come into the room is because
03:39:40.380of a lawsuit that myself and ezra levant filed back in 2019 we sued the government uh i sued
03:39:47.180to get andrew lawton who was then my reporter he's now a conservative candidate uh to get into the
03:39:51.900room and ezra sued to get his reporter at the time who was keen bexty into the room we all went to
03:39:57.580court that day in toronto i had my baby with me because i didn't have a babysitter that day but
03:40:02.140we had to go to court we found out at the last minute that we had a court hearing the judge
03:40:06.860sided with us and said these are journalists you cannot prevent them from going in and asking
03:40:10.860questions and so he issued an emergency order for us to go in so andrew lawton and kian bexty
03:40:17.900rushed to the debate, got their questions to Justin Trudeau. They both put great questions
03:40:22.140to Trudeau. Back then Andrew Lawton asked about press freedom and tried to get Trudeau to pledge
03:40:26.700to allow independent reporters into the room, which he obviously wouldn't do. And Kian Bextie
03:40:32.940asked some great questions about Trudeau's time as a teacher at West Point Grey Academy.
03:40:38.940And you know this is the point of a free society and a democracy is that we should have a free
03:40:45.100press where journalists can ask any questions that they want they can ask whatever the hell they want
03:40:48.940and the fact that the questions are different the questions make some elites feel uncomfortable
03:40:53.500they make people like rosemary barton andrew coin clutch their pearls uh that's a good thing and you
03:40:58.700know politics is supposed to be filled with important questions sometimes they make you
03:41:03.500feel uncomfortable because we don't agree on everything and so i do want to know what mark
03:41:07.900carney's position is on how many genders there are and the fact that he failed to answer that question
03:41:13.180was interesting of itself and the fact that he swarmed his way through that other question about
03:41:18.460women-only spaces a lot of women are listening to that a lot of women hear that they worry about
03:41:23.260their their daughters in sports they worry about female change rooms female bathrooms
03:41:29.180it's a legitimate concern and the fact that he could not answer that question is newsworthy right
03:41:36.620and so i am very proud of those reporters for doing their job and i am very grateful to the
03:41:41.340audience who has supported our ability to cover this election we have a fun going at support
03:41:47.100juno.com if you want to support our ability to do these kind of things to pay the bills
03:41:51.660to get these fellas onto airplanes to go ask questions to these leaders you can pitch in
03:41:57.740over there really appreciate we've got a few more super chats here dean wolf gave us 25
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03:42:34.720tonight very proud of the rebel and the questions that they were able to ask. Again, questions that
03:42:40.420the legacy media should ask, right? The legacy media represents a very small portion of Canadians,
03:42:45.020and there are millions, if not tens of millions of Canadians who fall outside of that very narrow
03:42:50.400field of legacy media, the way that they think about the world, the questions they're interested
03:42:55.400in the things that they care about and all the rest of us we deserve to be represented as well
03:43:00.240and to have our voice heard on nights like tonight so appreciate everyone for your support we're
03:43:05.540going to wrap up this live stream now i'll just say uh you know behind the scenes we had uh
03:43:10.360producers sean and phil uh thanks guys you guys are awesome you guys rock um and then clayton
03:43:15.460domain as well flew out to montreal hopefully he'll be able to get in line and get questions
03:43:19.400for tomorrow. Of course, Alex Zoltan, a legend with that question, Epic, and Kian Bextie doing
03:43:26.720just an absolutely fantastic job. So thanks so much, guys. And thanks, everyone in the audience
03:43:31.220for tuning in. We'll wrap it up. Thank you so much. We'll be back again tomorrow. Get us welcome.