Juno News - LIVE Coverage of the 2025 French Election Debate

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm. This is a very special live edition of the Candice Malcolm Show. We are

00:00:11.820 here to broadcast on the French language debate, folks. It's finally here. If you're anything like

00:00:17.940 me, you wish that there were more of these debates. I wish that we had more of an opportunity

00:00:21.200 to get to know the candidates, to get to know specifically Mark Carney. And, you know, he's new

00:00:25.720 to the scene in politics. We don't, we haven't known him very well for very long. Even just as

00:00:30.320 recently as like three months ago, his name recognition among Canadians was like single

00:00:34.420 digit percentage. So we have tonight and tomorrow, the two opportunities to get to know the candidates.

00:00:40.580 So there's a lot of pressure. A lot of people are predicting, especially on the conservative

00:00:45.320 political right side, that Pierre Polyev will just like mop the floor with Mark Carney and that it's

00:00:51.080 going to be a bloodbath. I personally am rooting for that. I hope that's what happens. I don't

00:00:55.940 want to set expectations too high, though, because I know that Mark Carney has been working in

00:01:00.340 overdrive to practice his French, to make sure that he is hitting the absolute correct tones.

00:01:06.560 But I think tonight's debate may even prove to be more important than tomorrow night's debate

00:01:12.240 because it really, for Mark Carney and the Liberals, they must win in Quebec. They must win

00:01:18.080 big in the suburbs around Montreal in order to win this election. And so in some ways,

00:01:24.180 even though, you know, I would have much preferred to see a Carney versus Pierre

00:01:28.860 Polyev one-on-one debate tonight. And it annoys me that, you know, we have the NDP up there,

00:01:35.100 which will be just grandstanding left-wing issues. Same with the bloc. They have no chance of forming

00:01:39.340 a government. They're not a national party. And yet they're there. And yet tonight, I think that

00:01:43.520 is very important because if Jagmeet Singh performs well and is able to capture back many

00:01:49.540 of those left-wing voters who have shifted to Mark Carney, that could be very good for the

00:01:53.100 Conservatives. And if the bloc leader, E. Francois Blanchet, performs well, that could also be good

00:01:59.420 for the Conservatives because if he's able to pick up that support in suburban Montreal,

00:02:03.900 again, it will help the Conservatives with their road to victory. Now, I also want to point out

00:02:10.300 something that i think is fantastic and that is that the greens have been removed from the debate

00:02:15.020 tonight we were reporting this from juno news and this this is like karma like this is just

00:02:20.620 beautiful cosmic justice folks because this idea that the greens i mean they're pulling

00:02:25.420 it like three percent nationally it's it's it's it's not really a party at this point it's more

00:02:30.300 just like a bumper sticker and you know they decided they made a strategic decision to not

00:02:35.180 run candidates in safe conservative seats so they decided to pull out of the places that they didn't

00:02:39.900 think they could win against the conservatives. And because of that, they got removed from the

00:02:47.400 debate, which is great news for Canadians because that's one fewer irrelevant party leader that

00:02:51.860 Canadians have to listen to, more time on the candidates that could actually win this election.

00:02:58.780 Now, I reported this earlier. I'm very excited. We have three reporters on the ground at the event

00:03:04.300 in Montreal, including my co-founder at Juno News here, Kian Bexty. And then True North has been

00:03:10.900 able to send two reporters. They've all been accepted by the Debates Commission. Remember,

00:03:14.740 this entire debate is run by the government. Of course, True created a new government department

00:03:20.260 to manage the debate. It's like, really, we need government for this. The private media

00:03:24.820 consortium used to do it, and they did just fine. It was just fine before. But True North likes to

00:03:29.560 involve government in every aspect of our lives. And so it's a government thing. And because of

00:03:35.300 that, you have to apply in advance. And we've had issues in the past where they tried to deny us and

00:03:39.520 say, you're not journalists. Actually, in 2019, we sued the government. I don't know if you

00:03:44.260 remember that. But in 2019, my reporter at the time was Andrew Lawton. We applied to get him

00:03:50.080 into the debates. He was rejected at the 11th hour. And it was all very mysterious the way they

00:03:55.340 rejected. The email came from a different government department than the department

00:04:00.300 that was running the debates. It came through the parliamentary press gallery. There was a whole

00:04:03.680 bunch of things that just didn't add up. So we decided, hey, we're going to sue and try to get

00:04:07.640 in. At that time, Ezra Levant at the Rebel heard that we were suing and called me up and said,

00:04:12.760 hey, we're going to sue too. And so we both sued. They put our case together. And it was a very

00:04:19.680 exciting day. We were in downtown Toronto at the courts. I actually brought my son with me. He was

00:04:24.380 a baby at the time because I didn't have a babysitter. I was on maternity leave. And so I

00:04:28.360 brought him with me. We were at the courts and we ended up getting an emergency injunction and the

00:04:33.700 judge ordered that True North and the rebel be accepted. So Andrew Lawton jumped on a plane.

00:04:39.740 Interestingly, Ezra Levant and the rebel sent their journalist, Kian Bextie. Kian Bextie was

00:04:44.940 their correspondent and their reporter. So they got on airplanes and flew to Ottawa for the debate.

00:04:49.840 And to me, that was the best moment of the debate because hearing Andrew Lawton get to ask his question about press freedom, hearing Kian Bextie get to ask his question at the time, the scandal was blackface and asking basically, you know, Justin Trudeau, well, he asked if he had called any African leaders to apologize.

00:05:08.980 And then he followed up with a great question about that West Point Grey Academy yearbook.

00:05:13.700 And so I'm looking forward to that again.

00:05:16.060 We have three of our reporters on the ground, like I said.

00:05:19.180 Now, interestingly, the debate is being held at the CBC building in Montreal.

00:05:24.000 And Kian Bextie is reporting to me, he's just texting me right now,

00:05:27.500 saying that the CBC has banned him from doing any live hits.

00:05:31.160 So he was going to call into this show and he was going to tell us about what was happening.

00:05:34.900 But because he is in their property, on their property,

00:05:38.160 they allow the CBC to have a booth and they're allowed to do a live broadcast,

00:05:42.740 but nobody else is allowed to.

00:05:44.360 Of course, when you are the government, when you are part of the government,

00:05:47.220 which the CBC basically is, you know, you have the control, the regime control. And so that is

00:05:51.920 what happened is happening. Kian saying that the debate is on their property at the Radio Canada

00:05:56.540 building. They told us to take our equipment, go outside. But of course, if you go outside,

00:06:00.540 you lose your spot in line. And there's sort of a game theory behind getting a question to the

00:06:05.520 right leader. And so part of the reason we have three guys there is so that they could properly

00:06:09.220 queue and make sure that they're in the right position, that they will hopefully get a question

00:06:13.700 to Mark Garney as well as Pierre Polyev and the other leaders as well. So I'm going to throw to

00:06:19.420 a clip. We have a clip from Clayton Domaine. So the True North journalists that are there

00:06:23.100 are Alex Zoltan and Clayton Domaine. Here is Clayton Domaine doing a stand-up from the debate

00:06:29.580 in Montreal. Thanks, Candice. Yeah, so I'm here with True North at the French debates.

00:06:37.940 we i was going to join the call inside but i was chased out by staff um it is really cold

00:06:46.580 wet and damp i don't know if you could tell we didn't have the luxury of having a warm tent

00:06:52.820 set up to broadcast from as the cbc has um alex zolton will be asking our questions hopefully to

00:07:01.340 the uh the leaders after the french debate as they come out our plan is just to be on our feet

00:07:07.280 and try to get into the line as soon as possible

00:07:09.780 and ask our relevant questions to the relevant candidates.

00:07:14.320 I even asked where the Q&A line was going to be,

00:07:17.300 and I was told that we would have to find out, and they couldn't tell us.

00:07:20.600 So we're really going to be keeping an eye out

00:07:23.020 and trying to get those questions in.

00:07:26.280 There was a Palestinian protest as well that showed up,

00:07:31.080 and they tried to drown out the Polly Eve and Karni supporters.

00:07:35.820 Notably, not a single NDP supporter came out to welcome the leaders as they as they came in.

00:07:43.960 I guess you could say maybe some of the pro-Palestinian crowd might have been the NDP supporters, but not a single orange sign for Jagmeet Singh.

00:07:53.060 Also, not not a Bloc Quebecois sign.

00:07:56.320 So it was really just the Kearney supporters, Paliyev and Paliyev supporters and the pro-Palestine people.

00:08:04.240 So, of course, we're going to be watching the debate, and hopefully we get our questions in.

00:08:09.240 Thank you.

00:08:10.440 Great.

00:08:10.920 Thanks so much, Clayton.

00:08:12.060 We're really looking forward to that.

00:08:13.280 And, of course, there's a Palestinian protest. 0.98

00:08:14.760 What would a Canadian election debate be without the Hamasniks out there making fools of themselves? 1.00

00:08:20.300 Okay, I am joined by a special guest, a guest co-host today, David Knight-Legg, one of my favorite guests on the Candace Malcolm show. 0.83

00:08:28.360 David, are you there?

00:08:28.960 Can you hear me?

00:08:29.860 I'm here.

00:08:30.640 Yeah, I can hear you.

00:08:31.760 Okay, great.

00:08:32.660 So, well, first of all, before we get to our conversation, I just want to say we're on YouTube and we turn on the Super Chat feature.

00:08:39.480 I've never done it before, but we got we got them rolling in.

00:08:42.100 Stefano has given us one hundred thirty nine dollars.

00:08:44.720 Wow. Thank you so much, Stefano.

00:08:47.000 He writes, Candace, thank you.

00:08:48.880 Let's go, Pierre.

00:08:49.880 Yes. OK, so keep those Super Chats coming, folks.

00:08:54.160 David, what is your prediction?

00:08:55.840 What are you looking forward to tonight?

00:08:58.160 Oh, I think this is going to be great.

00:08:59.540 I think Canada's unique in that we've got the Quebec factor in play.

00:09:04.820 And that's going to be really interesting because it means that, you know, Pierre has an advantage in the French language skills.

00:09:13.180 And I think if he plays it right, he's going to be able to emphasize that.

00:09:17.680 And I hope that he comes up with some fun turns of phrase that it'll take Marc Carney a little while to grok.

00:09:23.500 I think Mark Carney's been very lucky with the dynamics in in Quebec, the fear factor, the boomer factor, the fact that they get all of their media through state run television. 0.77

00:09:36.460 And that's had a direct effect on what you're seeing the polling numbers look like.

00:09:40.280 I think Blanchette's come out looking very much like he's going to attack that.

00:09:44.460 And I think of the five different things that they're going to debate, that issue around immigration identity, those are going to be the issues where you're going to see a really interesting dynamic.

00:09:55.120 And Carney has not shown that he's very agile in figuring out what principled perspective he's willing to take and defend.

00:10:03.120 So the problems he's gotten into the last few weeks, and you're starting to see it in his poll numbers, are that he doesn't take a principled position and defend it.

00:10:10.400 he borrows a couple of conservative policies and then when push comes to shove or gets challenged

00:10:15.040 on those in a place like quebec he basically implies that he's not going to actually follow

00:10:19.120 through on pipelines things like that so i think it's going to be an interesting debate because

00:10:22.800 quebec itself is going to highlight some things where it's going to be very hard for mark carney

00:10:27.520 to you know be able to talk out of both sides of his mouth i think pierre uh you know needs to

00:10:34.320 figure out a way to smile, relate to his family, something that I think has helped him in the polls.

00:10:41.920 He's got two big demographics that he's challenged by. One is with women and the other is with

00:10:47.360 seniors over the age of 60. Interesting. Yeah. So we have, we're keeping an eye on the debate

00:10:54.500 in the corner of the screen there. Oh, it just disappeared, but we will keep an eye. The debate

00:10:58.820 is supposed to start at 6 p.m. This is kind of amusing that it was supposed to start at 7. That's

00:11:03.300 what they originally announced. And then it turns out that there's a Habs game on right now. And so

00:11:07.780 there was some outrage and they were up at arms at the block that how could we possibly compete

00:11:12.660 with a hockey game? Come on guys, it's Canada. So they've moved the debate an hour forward,

00:11:17.940 which I appreciate because I'm like, I'm a morning person. My kids wake me up at the crack of dawn

00:11:22.300 every day. And so like, usually by like eight o'clock, I'm like, my screens are off and I'm

00:11:27.660 like getting ready for bed. So I'm much happier doing a 6 p.m. show than one starting at like

00:11:34.280 eight and then going all the way to midnight. But anyway, I want to pick up on that immigration 0.99

00:11:38.060 question that you asked, because it is a different issue in Quebec than the rest of Canada. It seems

00:11:42.440 like they're much more willing to be critical of immigration and not just from an economic

00:11:46.280 perspective. Pierre kind of plays it safe. Pierre Polyev and the conservatives play it safe. And

00:11:50.220 they only focus on the economic side of things and the impact on housing and that kind of thing.

00:11:53.800 Whereas in Quebec, you see more willingness to talk about Canadian values, Quebec values, and saying that, you know, newcomers must adhere to those.

00:12:02.260 We did a poll here at Juno this week and our Juno News poll just came out. One of the questions we asked, which we hadn't asked before, was support when it comes to immigration. So we described the three parties policies without matching it to a policy so that the person taking the poll wouldn't identify necessarily with the position of the party they prefer.

00:12:24.580 And so when it came to Mark Carney's position on immigration, which we presume is the century

00:12:29.820 initiative, let's get to 100 million Canadians by the end of the century, which would mean about

00:12:35.020 a million newcomers year after year, only 5% of Canadians wanted that view. Whereas Pierre

00:12:40.640 Polyev's position, which is let's return back to Stephen Harper levels, a pledge that he made

00:12:44.820 in his exclusive interview with Juno News, where he said that's the levels that he would

00:12:49.820 bring it back down to, which was about 250,000 a year compared to the current levels, which are

00:12:56.040 upwards of 400,000. So 57% of Canadians, you see that on the screen, support Pierre Polyev's

00:13:02.160 immigration plan without knowing that it was Pierre Polyev's. So on the immigration issue,

00:13:06.820 conservatives, I think, need to really play hard on this issue. It is a tricky one because you don't

00:13:12.120 want to be perceived as being like mean-spirited or xenophobic or whatever. However, I think if

00:13:17.520 anything in Quebec, there is more of an appetite to hear the other side of the issue on immigration,

00:13:22.880 which is that, you know, let's question whether or not it's actually working for a country and

00:13:26.560 whether this is a path that we want to continue on. And, you know, I think that tonight is perhaps

00:13:32.060 an opportunity. What do you think? Do you think it'll come up? Do you think it will play a role

00:13:35.480 at all in this debate? I think it has to. I think that if you look at several of these issues tie

00:13:42.180 to immigration you know obviously the question about identity uh but the issue of housing ties

00:13:47.500 to immigration the issue of cost of living ties to immigration the issue of of employment ties

00:13:53.260 to immigration and in some cases unfairly people attribute you know the current economic malays

00:14:00.800 which has so much to do with liberal policies and not as much to do with immigration but it because

00:14:06.660 the liberals have failed so badly on controlling immigration and allowed they've allowed asylum 0.99

00:14:12.820 fraud they've allowed immigration fraud to run rampant and that you know the interesting thing

00:14:18.740 i remember when this came up in the american um polling and one of the most fascinating poll

00:14:25.060 numbers was that immigrant communities that had come in legally were the most opposed to illegal

00:14:31.700 immigration and the most frustrated by the mistakes being made policy-wise on immigration.

00:14:37.320 And I think you find the same thing here. If you talk to one of my good friends who's a very strong

00:14:43.980 conservative supporter who's Sikh about what's happened within the Sikh community, within some

00:14:49.760 of the fraudulent schools that are used, gangland issues, his point to me has been it's the Sikh 1.00

00:14:57.680 community that's the most offended by the fact that these criminals aren't put away, that they

00:15:02.700 openly defraud the immigration system, the asylum system, the welfare system to support criminal

00:15:07.600 syndicate behavior, and sometimes even Calistani terror networks, etc. And that is well known in

00:15:12.960 the community, and they hate it. And they wish that there was a direct response to it and decent

00:15:17.860 law enforcement and laws that were honored. And I think that Pierre actually has a very strong hand

00:15:22.540 play on this because canada was the example of a modern pluralistic western society that was able

00:15:29.340 to use immigration to buttress and build our economic momentum without allowing it to turn into

00:15:36.060 the uh ghettoization of of groups and in the sort of violent unrest that you saw in parts of france

00:15:43.580 parts of sweden etc where immigration had just happened on the basis of sort of compassion but

00:15:48.940 but have been used by criminal syndicates to take advantage of these countries, the liberals have lost control of that badly.

00:15:57.100 And, you know, when they've been challenged on it, they've made, you know, they've sort of added insult to injury by making across the board changes to education policies,

00:16:06.660 which, you know, they simply needed to deal with immigration, not to destroy a bunch of kids that had actually come in on scholarships validly and were attending good schools.

00:16:15.420 So I think there's something in that. The problem with so many of these issues is that they've been reduced.

00:16:21.960 I'm going to interrupt you, David. Just going to give an update on the bottom of our screen there.

00:16:24.340 We see the leaders are already taking their place. The debate's not supposed to start for another 10 minutes.

00:16:28.840 Perhaps this is just sort of to get us all pumped up and psyched about the debate.

00:16:32.720 But it looks like the leaders are taking the stage. So don't worry, folks, we're going to monitor it.

00:16:37.540 We're not going to talk over the debate. We're going to let you watch that in full.

00:16:42.080 and then david and i uh will be back afterwards and so like i said i think you know the base

00:16:45.840 can be fun it's going to be good and i really have high hopes for the whole evening and uh

00:16:50.720 what we're able to find out about mark carney um but i think that the most important part of the

00:16:55.520 show will be the end when the journalists get to ask questions because they've allowed independent

00:17:00.000 media in there so we have kian bexty we have clayton domain of true north and alex olton

00:17:04.960 the three of them and i said earlier they've got like a game theory plan here they are going to

00:17:09.360 get a question in and we are very excited about that the rebel is also there and there's also

00:17:14.080 other independent journalists so i i have high hopes about that and um and then we're gonna

00:17:19.920 then we're gonna join you at the end and we're gonna do a post debate uh you analysis and and

00:17:26.000 tell you what we thought were the highlights of the debate and hopefully at that point we'll be

00:17:29.840 able to get a call in from kian bextier one of the other reporters uh to ask them about how it

00:17:34.800 it went from the inside so just to give you a little preview of that folks and so David I haven't

00:17:41.060 had you on my show so far during this election cycle just wondering quickly if you could tell

00:17:45.760 me like what do you think the main theme of this campaign has been I'll tell you I think it has

00:17:50.520 been the Chinese election interference even though that hasn't dominated the headlines I think it's

00:17:54.880 really shaken Mark Carney and he's not quite had the ability to answer those questions and it's

00:18:00.860 of undermining his campaign is chipping away at his credibility um and and the fact that he's not

00:18:07.020 very likable he's not very natural he doesn't seem to like canadians very much um that's all

00:18:11.980 kind of coming up um but i i wonder what you think are the main themes of the campaign and then if

00:18:17.420 you have any kind of predictions for the debate tonight yeah look that's that's a uh big question

00:18:25.580 Maybe I'll start with the issue. I think that what defined the first half of this campaign

00:18:34.200 and what defined the shift at the Liberal Party, the change of leadership at the top,

00:18:39.660 was Donald Trump. And Trump's team has had three kind of overlapping mandates. One is to deal with

00:18:48.420 the debt crisis in the United States, which is what's driven Doge. It's what's driven the

00:18:53.860 repricing nine and a half trillion dollars of debt this year that's behind a lot of the things that

00:18:58.420 are going on in terms of what they're doing with tariffs the other one is trade and the third one

00:19:02.580 is security china is involved in all three of those themes and china is the critical thing

00:19:10.100 the united states has to deal with on all three of those trade manufacturing nearshoring of critical

00:19:15.380 minerals dual use technologies ip theft what's happening in terms of strategic realignment on

00:19:21.140 security etc canada is actually caught between the china and united states dynamics right now

00:19:30.340 in a very fundamental way and in ways that we are not acknowledging openly or dealing with openly

00:19:35.540 and one of those is fentanyl the americans are well aware that our port of vancouver

00:19:40.340 is completely penetrated by the chinese triads three big triads they just had a huge super lab 0.99

00:19:45.700 bust another one up in bc we've got this dogma in canada that somehow this is all just a ruse and

00:19:53.540 that we don't really have a drug problem yet we've lost 50 000 kids to drug deaths in the last 10

00:19:59.300 years since the liberals took over 50 000 kids canadian kids have died from opioid abuse 93

00:20:07.140 of that has been fentanyl and yet we've we're acting uh hurt by the fact that we're being told

00:20:13.060 that we have a fentanyl problem because we've only captured 45 kilograms or whatever this

00:20:17.940 completely bizarre myopic number is the reason that we've only captured that is because we don't

00:20:22.580 have the right law enforcement and we don't have the screening at our ports etc and sam cooper's

00:20:27.060 done a phenomenal job of spelling out just how bad this has gotten the other issue that we have

00:20:32.500 in addition to fentanyl is we have a huge laundering operation the iranians are very 0.98

00:20:37.300 involved with it the chinese are very involved with it we've had absolutely no effectiveness

00:20:42.180 on this. We've lost track of what's estimated to be 600 IRGC agents inside Canada since we named

00:20:48.580 them a designated terror group in June of last year. The degree to which Canada has lost control

00:20:53.780 of its own security is almost impossible to describe unless you go through a list of things.

00:20:58.960 You're seeing it kind of come out now with these RCMP letters over the foreign influence of these

00:21:04.640 nine members that Carney has now re-enlisted in his current cabinet. But this party has a big

00:21:10.360 problem with China because they got too close and the Chinese play for keeps, right? The Chinese 1.00

00:21:16.640 are definitely operating secret police stations. They're definitely putting bounties on dissidents.

00:21:22.580 They're definitely controlling the media. They're definitely working hard to have somebody that's

00:21:26.300 pliant and weak and brittle like Mark Carney that they can manipulate. And I think what's happened

00:21:31.780 is Mark Carney finds himself in a very tough place. He's been to China multiple times. I want

00:21:36.520 to go on the record by saying, I think we need to engage China. I think Chinese people are

00:21:40.600 phenomenal. They're great at business. They've got a terrific economy. They've worked super hard.

00:21:45.320 They've got, they're beating our, they're beating us on science, math, you know, engineering, tech,

00:21:51.380 right? The Chinese people are not the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party

00:21:55.860 is a very small percentage of elites that have managed to take over and try and run the society.

00:22:00.560 They're actually very brittle. They don't control a lot of what goes on. That economy proceeds on

00:22:06.500 pretty capitalist terms in most parts of the country and it's to our benefit and to the

00:22:11.540 world's benefit that we have free and open trade and i believe that what the trump team is after

00:22:16.420 is using the current trade war leverage to try and get to freer trade that's certainly what

00:22:21.860 they're trying to do with canada they've made that point multiple times but i think to your point

00:22:26.900 the thing that has defined this election has been the trump dynamic and the trump dynamic has played

00:22:31.620 its way through because what they're really after is china but they're dealing with they dealt first 0.95

00:22:37.620 with their two closest largest trading partners mexico and canada for a reason and then they

00:22:42.500 declared an overall trade uh tariff war on all fronts for a reason which is because they knew

00:22:48.980 china was repurposing multiple different ports of entry to access the us and i think that carney's

00:22:55.380 ability to sort of run this bizarre elbows up theme much longer i think that's getting old i

00:23:01.300 I think people are starting to mock it now.

00:23:03.380 I think he's sort of, he's running very close to the tape here.

00:23:06.480 I think if this election was another four weeks, I'd actually predict we would be back

00:23:11.020 in landslide territory.

00:23:12.940 Well, it should be, right?

00:23:13.780 If Mark Carney was an honorable person, if he was doing the right thing, he wouldn't

00:23:18.420 be trying to game the system to just maximize the odds of him winning.

00:23:21.940 Like, that's not the way that our democracy, that's not the spirit of our democracy, right?

00:23:25.240 So, like, he's a new, unknown, he's a caretaker prime minister at this point.

00:23:30.180 He doesn't even have a seat in Parliament.

00:23:32.800 And so, you know, if he was just a person who was guided by his moral compass, he would say, OK, I'm going to I'm going to call for the longest election possible so that Canadians can really get to know me.

00:23:42.880 I'm going to do as many debates as possible so that we can really discuss the ideas of our country.

00:23:48.220 Right. That that that's the spirit of democracy.

00:23:50.000 But Mark Carney doesn't have those values. His values very much are globalist, elitist.

00:23:55.800 You know, they try to pretend that being part of the World Economic Forum is no big deal.

00:24:00.540 It's not just that Mark Carney was part of the World Economic Forum.

00:24:03.180 He kind of is the World Economic Forum.

00:24:05.160 He embodies it.

00:24:06.180 He was the sort of person pushing hardest for net zero policies.

00:24:11.120 I think his mindset is very much elitist.

00:24:12.880 Like, I know what's best.

00:24:14.100 I'm the responsible person.

00:24:15.760 I will run things.

00:24:16.500 I don't want to take any questions.

00:24:18.100 And that's just sort of like how he sees the world.

00:24:20.220 And that's why he put the shortest election possible and did the fewest amount of debates possible.

00:24:27.400 And he put a lid on it, right?

00:24:28.820 Like he canceled his campaign.

00:24:29.900 Anytime Trump is in the news, he'll use it as an excuse.

00:24:32.220 So he's paused his campaign three times now to deal with Trump because that's all that they want Canadians thinking about and talking about because the more people are thinking to talk about Trump, the better he resonates.

00:24:42.280 Just for the audience, we are keeping an eye on the screen.

00:24:45.380 I know it was a little confusing.

00:24:46.420 Leaders came out.

00:24:47.420 They started jotting down notes.

00:24:48.720 It seemed like it was eminent. They were getting mic'd up. But then on Francais, they said that

00:24:53.680 there was a six minute countdown. It's down to two. So I promise as soon as this debate starts,

00:24:58.560 we will throw to it. We're not going to talk over it. I have my producer here telling me

00:25:02.720 that they gave a two minute warning. So I promise we will go back to that. But I guess just a final

00:25:10.260 question here before we go to the debate, David, what do you think of the polls? Because, you know,

00:25:15.080 you said that we would be back in landslide territory. So I'm guessing that, you know,

00:25:18.840 you've been following along that Pierre Polyev was up at 45, that he dipped his low as like 30,

00:25:23.060 and now it looks like he's edging up. Our Juno News poll today had him at 37 with the liberals

00:25:28.340 and Carney at 39. So neck and neck. And, you know, I think it's close. I don't fully support,

00:25:34.000 I don't fully trust the polls. I think they're probably off by two or three points. Obviously,

00:25:38.500 they're capturing some kind of mood. Like, I don't think it's going to be a conservative

00:25:41.540 landslide. But I do think that they're off. What do you think? Yeah, look, polls, I did a lot of

00:25:48.080 polling, did my PhD and, you know, involved with very heavily with polling. Polls model the

00:25:54.660 selection of the different demographic cohorts based on what happened last time, in part. And

00:26:00.800 I don't know that that's going to be as good a guide to this group. I think people are very

00:26:04.660 motivated. And I think they're probably oversampling the over 60s by a few points,

00:26:09.380 and that that would would give Kearney a few points. The Main Street poll most recently just

00:26:14.020 had Pierre Ahead by a point, which was interesting. So I think, I think, you know, we have a dead

00:26:20.520 heat. I don't know about the efficiency. The Conservatives always beat the Liberals by,

00:26:25.100 you know, in numbers, but we haven't beat them in the efficiency of the seed distribution.

00:26:29.380 And so I think we need to really have a breakthrough. And one of the big breakthroughs

00:26:33.380 will be what happens tonight if Quebec starts to, you know, lose their love of Mark Kearney.

00:26:39.380 Um, and the fact that his French is bad could contribute to that.

00:26:43.380 We could see a bit more of a vote split in Quebec.

00:26:45.560 And if we see that, we can see some momentum in the conservative.

00:26:48.500 Okay.

00:26:48.960 Sorry to interrupt you here, David, but it looks like they are live here.

00:26:52.400 So we'll go to the bait and stick with us folks.

00:26:54.680 Cause we're going to have our analysis at the end.

00:26:56.920 So enjoy.

00:26:57.720 And, uh, we'll be back again.

00:26:58.880 Thanks for, thanks for joining us.

00:27:00.080 And thank you to the super chats, uh, farm girl also gave us $25.

00:27:03.320 Really appreciate it.

00:27:04.240 Okay.

00:27:04.480 We'll go to the other feed and then we will be back.

00:27:09.380 The U.S. threat is huge, but there are other issues at stake.

00:27:19.380 We choose Quebec.

00:27:22.380 Donald Trump has attacked our country.

00:27:24.980 We have to defend our workers.

00:27:30.680 Live from Maison Radio Canada in Montreal, this is the Leaders' Debate 2025 with Patrice

00:27:37.220 Roy.

00:27:38.220 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the French Leaders' Debate.

00:27:43.920 We are joined by Marte Carney, leader of the Liberal Party, Pierre Poiliev, leader of the Conservative Party,

00:27:51.020 Yves-François Blanchet, leader of the Bloc Québécois, and Jacques Meitzing, leader of the New Democratic Party.

00:27:57.580 Good evening to all four of you.

00:27:59.040 Good evening.

00:27:59.820 Thank you for being here.

00:28:01.580 Ladies and gentlemen, it's what, 6 p.m. and a few seconds?

00:28:05.380 this important event has been moved forward to give as many people as possible the opportunity

00:28:13.060 to tune in without missing a decisive moment for another one of our passions hockey and by the way

00:28:21.940 i'll go off script here for a few seconds and say that the montreal canadians you'd better win

00:28:29.380 i also would like to say that the leaders invitations were managed by the leaders

00:28:34.180 Debates Commission and the podium places on the set were designated at random. But the questions,

00:28:40.980 subjects and editorial choices are ours. I'll be managing speaking time fairly within a fair limit.

00:28:51.540 There are five themes tonight. Obviously the trade war with the United States, the cost of living,

00:28:58.580 energy and climate immigration and foreign affairs and finally identity and sovereignty

00:29:07.300 and i'll also have a few rapid fire questions at the end of the debate this debate is your debate

00:29:12.900 this evening you will be free to speak as much as possible the only rule that i ask of you

00:29:18.980 is not to speak at the same time if you start talking over one another i'll ask pascal our

00:29:25.140 sound engineer to turn off your mics so let the debate begin or i was going to say good game

00:29:31.940 so we'll move on to our first opening question you'll have 45 seconds each to answer this

00:29:37.540 election to many according to many has been hijacked by trump so to assert our sovereignty

00:29:46.580 early in this debate i'll ask you to name two things you'd put forward concrete things that

00:29:52.900 that will change the lives of Canadians,

00:29:55.040 but that have nothing to do with the United States.

00:29:57.820 45 seconds, Mr. Carney, you're first.

00:30:00.120 Well, first of all, thank you very much, Mr. Roy.

00:30:02.940 And I'd like to thank everyone watching at home

00:30:06.280 for joining us tonight.

00:30:07.340 And I'd like to thank the other leaders

00:30:09.160 for your service to Canada.

00:30:10.740 Two things that don't include Mr. Trump.

00:30:15.680 First of all, we need to double the rhythm

00:30:19.280 of construction of new homes here in Canada.

00:30:22.120 That's absolutely fundamental.

00:30:24.120 And the second thing, we need to promote and strengthen our cultural institutions in Canada.

00:30:33.120 45 seconds, Mr. Poiliev.

00:30:37.120 Two things that you would promise Canadians to change their lives that have nothing to do with the United States.

00:30:43.120 Thank you, Mr. Roy, and thanks to my colleagues for being here today.

00:30:48.120 Clearly, life is no longer affordable.

00:30:51.120 The promise of an affordable life is broken.

00:30:55.500 I have a plan to make life more affordable by cutting taxes by 15%.

00:31:01.260 That's one thing that will reward work for the middle class 0.99

00:31:05.760 and for seniors who've already worked.

00:31:08.040 Second thing, we're going to scrap the GST on new houses

00:31:13.420 and we're going to incentivize cities to reduce their taxes too

00:31:18.580 so that our young people can save up to a hundred thousand dollars on a new home and restore the

00:31:25.620 promise of Canada. I would like to come back to something that I do all year long. First of all,

00:31:33.700 thank you for having welcomed us. I have been waiting for this moment for a long time.

00:31:40.100 I'd like to insist on two things for Quebec that I was talking about before the Trump crisis is

00:31:46.580 Quebec's right to have a different and open economy open to the world based on its own

00:31:52.580 natural resources on its own attachment to a green economy but also Quebec's right to be different

00:31:58.900 to have a different language to have a different culture to have different values to have different

00:32:03.780 immigration models that need to succeed these are elements that should always have been mentioned

00:32:09.220 but that have a particularly new sense with this new crisis great Mr Singh 45 seconds two things

00:32:15.780 that have nothing to do with the American?

00:32:19.060 Thank you for the question. Good evening, everybody.

00:32:21.780 First, I'd like to talk a little bit about values.

00:32:28.500 What are the values that underpin the answer to this question?

00:32:32.500 Canadians and Quebecers like taking care of one another.

00:32:36.580 We come together. That is what we believe in. That is a basic value for us.

00:32:41.780 And this value is embodied in our public health care system, which has nothing to do with the US.

00:32:49.780 We want our health care system to be nothing like the American one. 0.99

00:32:53.780 We will expand pharmacare so that everyone can access the medications they need.

00:32:59.780 And I also want to talk about dental care. I also want to expand that program, which owes itself to us.

00:33:04.780 Thank you. I'd like to reassure you, Mr. Singh. I think you were disappointed.

00:33:08.780 We are going to talk about health as well, and I'll ask questions about that later.

00:33:14.220 First theme, therefore, obviously, the trade war.

00:33:23.120 Trump is going to be tough.

00:33:24.980 We don't know what's in store with him.

00:33:27.480 I don't think any solution is going to be possible.

00:33:30.400 We always thought they were our ally.

00:33:32.840 It doesn't make sense.

00:33:34.500 You can't reason with him.

00:33:35.860 The government will have to stand firm, stay firm.

00:33:38.780 We have to put him in his place. Otherwise, he'll destroy us totally.

00:33:43.340 The answer should be pragmatic.

00:33:46.700 It would be good to pause some of our services to the U.S.

00:33:49.680 They need us. An eye for an eye. No messing around.

00:33:54.460 Get us out of this mess.

00:33:55.700 We need a leader who can make decisions to destabilize Trump and make him respect Canada.

00:34:03.160 What does he plan to do with the new President of the United States?

00:34:08.780 what do you plan to do with this president that is the elephant in the room so for your information

00:34:17.100 there are 1060 73 days left in donald trump's term why do you think that you're the best person

00:34:25.100 here tonight to negotiate with mr trump mr poly of 35 seconds first of all we will never

00:34:34.940 be an american state we will remain sovereign on my first day as prime minister i will restart

00:34:42.860 negotiations to accelerate a deal that will put an end to the tariffs and protect our sovereignty

00:34:50.300 we can't control trump but at the same time we have to control what we can control we need to

00:34:56.300 reverse liberal economic policies that have weakened our country we need to unleash our

00:35:02.140 resources cut taxes and bring jobs back home so that we can face trump from a position of strength

00:35:10.380 all right well first of all in a crisis you have to plan for the worst possible situation and you

00:35:17.180 have to have a plan a plan to build a strong economy here in canada and we need to react with

00:35:24.140 strength and those are the elements that will allow us to succeed with mr trump he respects

00:35:31.500 strength he respects people who understand how the world works and who understand how the private

00:35:37.740 sector works and canada needs to create other options new reliable partnerships around the

00:35:45.580 world and that's what i'll thank you mr corney mr blanchet mr trump will hang from his own noose

00:35:55.660 because their economy is dependent on ours but there will be a lot of harm done to canada to

00:36:02.860 europe to mexico before then we have to realize that our joint gdp is bigger than the states our

00:36:11.100 population is bigger than the states and so retaliation is going to hurt the states but

00:36:17.340 we have to negotiate in a rational way and we shouldn't fall to fear and we shouldn't spin

00:36:23.340 It's all about priorities. For me, now is the time to invest, not cut. It is the time

00:36:34.620 to protect what we hold dear, our farmers, our culture, the French language. These things

00:36:40.500 should not be sacrificed. It is time to defend who we are, what our values are. And we believe

00:36:49.000 in helping one another. That's what we will do. How? We will strengthen our health care system.

00:36:55.960 We will not let it be Americanized. That is crucial. We must defend who we are.

00:37:00.680 So open debate to begin now for about 15 minutes. Mr. Poiliev, you have called Kearney

00:37:08.200 a political grifter, a globalist banker who's disconnected from reality. And Mr. Kearney,

00:37:15.080 said Pierre Poiliev is a career politician who knows nothing about how the real world works.

00:37:21.800 So I ask you the question, which of you first is capable of standing up to Donald Trump?

00:37:29.480 Mr. Poiliev. I am because I'm going to put Canada first.

00:37:33.960 I will never compromise Canada's interests and I will control what we can control here.

00:37:42.200 Obviously, no one will be able to control the decisions of Donald Trump, but we can control our economy, our domestic economy, by overturning liberal economic policies that have weakened our country and made us more dependent on the Americans.

00:38:00.260 The issue is, Mr. Poiliev, you would make Canada more like the United States.

00:38:06.540 You would Americanize our healthcare system, privatize it.

00:38:09.760 Everyone knows that's what conservatives do. 0.93

00:38:13.060 Mr. Carney, you said that you're better?

00:38:15.600 All right. First of all, I know how to negotiate, and I agree with Mr. Singh.

00:38:21.360 We need to start by saying what's never going to be on the table.

00:38:27.720 The French language, Quebec's culture, and supply management will never be on the table.

00:38:32.080 Our resources, that's the first thing.

00:38:33.960 Second, in terms of Mr. Blanchet's point, the opportunities that we have with the European Union are there,

00:38:44.480 and I've already started building new relationships with the European Union.

00:38:50.660 As Prime Minister, I met with the President of France and with the President of the European Commission.

00:38:56.840 There's a lot to unpack in there, let's be honest.

00:39:00.200 Perhaps it's right.

00:39:01.240 You say that you're an expert in managing a crisis, but you say you're a negotiator, but perhaps negotiate with tax havens.

00:39:12.260 But when it comes to trade agreements, I haven't seen the proof.

00:39:15.500 We apparently have to believe you with no political experience.

00:39:19.260 And so I find this kind of funny because people say we have to unite and work together.

00:39:23.240 On the one hand, you have never spoken to me before this evening.

00:39:27.340 you're not trying to figure out how to collaborate between equals quebec canada mexico european

00:39:35.700 partners you're trying to score divisive points that only serves the united states of america

00:39:43.080 all right i've just started as prime minister i've been prime minister for a month

00:39:48.840 in the first week i signed an agreement with the premiers of all the provinces the premier of quebec

00:39:56.540 and the premiers of all the provinces and territories concerning free trade within Canada.

00:40:02.380 It's also an agreement that deals with trade corridors.

00:40:05.280 That's an example.

00:40:06.660 That's an example.

00:40:07.420 You haven't sat with any premiers.

00:40:10.000 You've sat with MPs that will be elected at the same level as you if you're elected.

00:40:15.960 The problem, Mr. Carney, is that your party has been in power for 10 years.

00:40:20.560 And in that time, it's not meetings that are going to change things.

00:40:27.480 It's your policies that have blocked resources.

00:40:31.260 C-69, which blocks not just pipelines, but also dams, mines, and liquid national gas exploration.

00:40:41.920 We have a deal with Europe, a trade deal.

00:40:45.400 The Conservatives negotiated it.

00:40:46.960 But liberal legislation has prevented development, and you continue to support those laws.

00:40:53.960 Those laws need to be repealed and replaced with laws that will unleash our resources

00:40:59.960 and allow us to export abroad and allow us to become truly economically sovereign and have energy sovereignty as well.

00:41:11.960 Mr. Carney, unfortunately, your priority is, well, you had time to meet with the king,

00:41:18.840 but you did not increase the amount of money people receive when they lose their jobs due

00:41:23.960 to the trade war. These days, people receiving EI get maybe half of their salary.

00:41:32.640 For people who have already lost their jobs, that is not enough. It won't cover the bills.

00:41:36.480 it won't cover their rent costs that shows your priorities for me workers are number one we need

00:41:44.000 a system to support our workers we'll hear some in a few seconds but mr carney response and then

00:41:49.360 i have another question for blanche first of all we need to fight in a trade war we need to fight 0.68

00:41:56.000 with counter tariffs and all the money collected from our counter tariffs will go directly to

00:42:01.920 workers and the businesses that are the most affected by this trade war they won't be used

00:42:08.720 for tax cuts the way that mr poliev is going to do you always want to increase them you're liberal

00:42:15.120 we want to cut taxes started as prime minister for a fourth liberal term i've just started you

00:42:22.480 were justin trudeau's economic advisor have you forgotten that honestly let me cut in here both of

00:42:30.960 them would cut taxes for billionaires and millionaires. They have already done it in the past.

00:42:41.680 Your first step was to reduce taxes for the millionaires. Pierre Polyev would do the same

00:42:46.960 thing. You're not thinking of regular people. We've cut the consumer carbon tax.

00:42:51.120 Mr. Singh, Mr. Blanchet, you've been telling Canadians for several days that it would be

00:42:57.920 better to have a minority government you said it clearly

00:43:06.560 with trump can canadians not want a majority government that's stronger i don't know where

00:43:11.760 that reasoning comes the minority government would be weaker than a majority government

00:43:18.960 go tell that to the germans who have only governed through coalitions 1.00

00:43:22.320 coalitions recently many countries have coalitions and if that is the population of the people

00:43:26.880 then great. At this point, it's possible that Canadians and Quebecers, perhaps, 0.87

00:43:35.280 choose to trust in someone who has the least experience in politics.

00:43:41.600 Quebec has a different economy, different interests, different everything.

00:43:48.960 We want a parliament where our economic difference is taken into account.

00:43:54.320 Let's talk a little bit about minority governments.

00:43:58.480 The whole point of a minority government is to help people, to make a difference in people's 0.97

00:44:03.840 lives. But honestly, Mr Blanchet, unfortunately, in the last minority government, you showed

00:44:12.800 that you were as useless as the monarchy is. You did nothing for people. What is worse, 0.92

00:44:19.280 you voted against measures that would help quebecers dental care pharma care these are

00:44:26.560 measures that have helped hundreds of thousands of quebecers quebec jurisdiction dental care

00:44:33.520 health care people in quebec pharma care people money that we send to ottawa

00:44:39.840 ottawa does not have the expertise or the jurisdiction we are back to us

00:44:44.240 Mr. Roy, Mr. Roy, please let me finish one sentence.

00:44:48.240 Please wrap it up.

00:44:49.240 When we want to be effective, we give the money to the experts,

00:44:54.240 those who have the legal jurisdiction to spend the money.

00:44:56.240 And that is Quebec in this case.

00:44:58.240 The NDP gave $2 billion to an insurance company.

00:45:03.240 Everything is going fine until now, but Mr. Carney, in terms of the minority government.

00:45:10.240 Mr. Rouat, we are in a crisis, the most serious crisis of our lives.

00:45:18.000 We need to react with resounding, overwhelming strength.

00:45:23.220 Yes, we need to cut a few taxes.

00:45:25.520 Yes, we need to cut bureaucracy.

00:45:27.400 But the government needs to act in a time of crisis.

00:45:31.020 So we need to have a government ready to act.

00:45:34.840 But when you were Justin Trudeau's economic advisor, you weakened our economy.

00:45:40.180 we need economic sovereignty and that means bringing back production to canada and i would

00:45:49.540 reverse liberal policies around development i would uh expedite construction permits

00:45:58.020 we would have pre-approved permits and that would and i would also make sure that we could send our

00:46:08.340 energy to Europe to break Europeans' dependence on Putin and to break our dependence on the U.S.

00:46:17.780 The Conservatives and the Liberals both prioritize the ultra-rich, not you, not regular Canadians.

00:46:22.340 Great, we do have a segment on that. That's the difference.

00:46:24.500 We have a segment on energy and pipelines, so we'll come back to that later.

00:46:29.460 There are people who are watching us who are concerned. There will be negotiations with the

00:46:34.020 Americans, obviously. Well, you'll all say supply management here, but I'd like to say that Canada

00:46:44.180 gave up market shares during the last three trade deal negotiations. We're talking about more than

00:46:50.020 450 million a year in losses for Canadian farmers. So what is something you wouldn't concede in a

00:46:57.460 negotiation? I will defend supply management. I will defend the French language. I will defend

00:47:03.860 our health care system i will defend our decisions and our laws we will always be sovereign and the

00:47:11.460 way we're going to restore that sovereignty canadian sovereignty is by making our economy

00:47:19.380 stronger we need to cut red tape by 25 for businesses we need to reduce development

00:47:26.980 charges taxes on housing we need to support labor and energy and domestic production that's how we

00:47:35.460 can be more sovereign management facing in the face of the u.s it's nice to say supply management

00:47:41.860 but we've said it three times and it hasn't been done so well this is the first time that

00:47:48.180 i will be at the table if i am elected as prime minister

00:47:55.540 i've said a number of times and since the beginning of my campaign in maurice

00:48:00.260 we'll never touch a supply management we won't put quebec culture or the french

00:48:04.740 language on the table and i think we all agree on that point and that's important

00:48:08.820 we have to be very clear from the beginning when talking to the americans one area that we don't

00:48:14.820 agree on is that Pierre Polyev would cut our health care system. You said it, everyone knows

00:48:23.620 it. You said that you want to cut, you would cut dental care, pharmacare, you called them bad ideas.

00:48:29.780 And unfortunately, Mr. Carney's plan to budget the operating budget in three years would lead

00:48:37.860 to 43 billion dollars in the next segment cost of living we'll talk about tax cuts later and choices

00:48:46.100 and we will underscore that none of you has a table they costed plan these are just promises

00:48:54.500 mr blanchet on we have tabled a program first of all second of all we are not the ones who decide

00:49:01.060 that what's on the table if mr trump says i want to talk about this no one will be able to stop him

00:49:06.340 from at least talking about it.

00:49:08.740 We've never sacrificed the principle of supply management.

00:49:12.160 So it's empty words.

00:49:13.440 Little bits have been sacrificed every single time

00:49:16.400 at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars every single time.

00:49:19.040 All Mr. Trump wants is a wave of Wisconsin milk

00:49:25.840 with hormones, with no protection against antibiotics.

00:49:29.580 So what would you do concretely?

00:49:31.740 We will bring back an act that everyone approved.

00:49:35.280 The Liberals before Kanye approved it, everyone had approved it, but then there were certain intrigues with unelected senators.

00:49:41.780 There's a number of unelected members of parliament that seem to be making decisions.

00:49:47.240 What would protect better?

00:49:49.120 Well, maybe I agree with that law, but my point is that we need to invest in Canada.

00:49:57.540 Our plan, which will be unveiled this weekend, will catalyze $500 billion, $500 billion of investment in Canada over the next five years.

00:50:13.000 And that will be important in our negotiations with Mr. Trump.

00:50:18.220 I'd like us to listen to a worker together from Stellantis.

00:50:23.220 For him, this crisis with the U.S. is very clear.

00:50:27.140 he's just lost his job i was laid off by stelantis because of the trade war with the u.s

00:50:35.620 how will your government stop mr trump from attacking our industries one by one and how

00:50:43.060 will you protect our jobs concrete measures how will you help workers you all have different

00:50:52.340 proposals. Mr. Poyev. First of all, I already announced a fund to help companies keep jobs,

00:51:02.660 to keep workers in their jobs, because the priority of workers is to keep working. Secondly,

00:51:09.140 there will be EI to protect people who are having, who have fallen on rough times. I will be there

00:51:16.740 for people who've lost their jobs at the same time we need to stimulate investment to strengthen

00:51:24.340 our economy and to encourage new companies we need to unleash our natural resources

00:51:31.220 and we need to create more jobs in resource industries we also want to create more jobs

00:51:38.900 for trades people at a time when they need work to build new houses let's stay on workers mr singh

00:51:46.740 If a business wants to sell cars in Canada, they should be required to have a factory in Canada, a presence in Canada.

00:51:56.740 I would put this in a law. We are a major market. If you want to sell here, you should create jobs here.

00:52:04.740 Let me add, the first thing Mr. Paulyev said in 2022 when he became Conservative leader is that he would cut EI contributions.

00:52:14.740 So, it is not credible that he would increase support to people when he talked about eliminating contributions.

00:52:23.500 For workers, you've said you want to go back to a pandemic-style wage subsidy.

00:52:28.820 The principle of that, we said that even before the campaign.

00:52:33.320 To paraphrase Mr. Poilier, EI is fairly broken.

00:52:38.360 People have difficulty accessing it, and I disagree with Mr. Carney's suggestion to say that money will be invested in training.

00:52:44.740 You've lost your job, but we're going to train you and you're going to have another kick at a can at the age of 55.

00:52:49.120 Not a good idea.

00:52:49.860 The idea of the wage subsidy was to allow the worker to have a link to their job by giving them a subsidy so that the employer, should they want to, could rehire them, someone who had the skill to do the job.

00:53:10.600 So there would be a transitional period where there could be temporary job losses, like for the case we've just heard.

00:53:17.980 Well, first of all, three things.

00:53:20.300 All the money from our counter tariffs will go directly to workers.

00:53:24.400 Second, we have a strategic fund for manufacturing in Canada, specifically for the auto sector.

00:53:33.060 And third, our counter-tariff system for the automotive sector contains an incentive of $7 billion for the automakers to keep production and workers here in Canada.

00:53:48.580 That's very important.

00:53:51.160 But the reason that we've done all of this is so that we can have strong positions to negotiate with Trump.

00:53:59.280 Just to conclude, I think we need to encourage Canadians to buy Canadian-made cars.

00:54:06.280 And that's why, as long as there are tariffs, we will scrap the GST on cars and trucks that are built here, mainly built here in Canada. 0.59

00:54:17.280 That's good.

00:54:19.280 I think the tariff is a good idea. 0.84

00:54:25.000 what allows companies to buy and sell more then yes i do agree with that approach 70

00:54:31.800 mr polly have copied our idea we announced the gst lifting for canadian made cars before him

00:54:37.960 now there are a lot of things that are in all of your platforms we'll come back to that

00:54:42.200 now 70 of canadians say that they're buying fewer american products it's a big number

00:54:47.400 you leaders could you please name me one made in usa product that you no longer buy

00:54:59.480 i buy my own strawberries so you don't buy strawberries i buy quebec strawberries and

00:55:04.520 i do my own shopping by the way what products have you not bought mr carney no more wine

00:55:10.600 no more alcohol no more american alcohol i do my own shopping and i cook at home

00:55:19.800 lots of products fruits there's a lot of canadian so you're making an effort yes

00:55:25.000 i'm making an effort with apples other fruit strawberries strawberries everyone is eating a

00:55:33.480 lot of strawberries these days i bring it up because i do my own grocery shopping which carny

00:55:41.960 does not this is a delicious conversation it's beef in my case i buy canadian beef

00:55:53.000 it's the best beef in the world but i never buy american strawberries either

00:55:58.440 Well, let's share some of that.

00:56:04.440 All right.

00:56:05.440 It's very beautiful to see.

00:56:06.440 Our next theme is the cost of living.

00:56:13.440 We can manage our money.

00:56:15.440 We're having a hard time here.

00:56:17.440 I hope they'll be able to balance the budget

00:56:21.440 and maintain the same quality of services.

00:56:24.440 inflation, lower taxes.

00:56:28.120 I earn a good salary, but it's hard to pay for groceries,

00:56:30.660 for childcare, for our kid, for everything.

00:56:34.920 Education is expensive.

00:56:36.600 Prices keep going up.

00:56:37.880 The middle class is hurting.

00:56:39.140 And for the poor, it's worse.

00:56:40.900 We're retired and we're counting every penny.

00:56:43.080 We're getting poorer.

00:56:45.080 I feel like no one really listens to young people 1.00

00:56:47.060 on housing or the cost of living.

00:56:50.660 So what does the future hold for us young people?

00:56:54.440 What does the future hold for young people?

00:56:58.040 I'll give you a few figures here, very briefly.

00:57:02.340 I'm sure this won't come as a surprise, but in Montreal,

00:57:05.140 housing prices have more than doubled over 10 years,

00:57:08.340 from $300,000 to $671,000.

00:57:11.540 Remarkable growth in Toronto and Vancouver as well.

00:57:14.240 So my question, and you'll have 35 seconds, first of all,

00:57:17.840 how can we improve access to housing, for example,

00:57:21.740 for this young woman that we just heard from, Mr. Blanchet.

00:57:25.040 Clearly, it's through the starting capital

00:57:28.880 and then other GST-based policy.

00:57:33.380 There needs to be access to capital for a down payment.

00:57:36.500 My children can't pay for a house. 1.00

00:57:39.320 A lot of them have jobs, good jobs.

00:57:42.140 It's essential that we give them a little boost using

00:57:46.180 public money, for example.

00:57:49.160 And it's not during a crisis and in cutting budgets that we will be able to do so.

00:57:55.480 We need to reduce speculation on house prices.

00:57:59.260 We need to invest in affordable housing, social housing, student housing

00:58:02.420 to give a good price and reduce pressure in the residencies of Canada.

00:58:12.620 I'm with you with all those who are having a hard time affording their groceries.

00:58:19.160 young people who can't buy a house. After a decade of liberal inflation,

00:58:25.880 liberal policies have increased the cost of living the most in 40 years.

00:58:32.520 I will cut your taxes for the average worker by 15 percent. We will scrap the GST on new homes

00:58:40.360 and we will incentivize municipalities to speed up permits and construction so that young people

00:58:46.680 can once again buy a home and restore the dream of home ownership in order to fix this crisis in

00:58:54.440 the cost of living we need to make sure that canadians have more money in their pockets

00:58:59.640 and they need to have more canada in their pockets so that means a tax cut for the middle class

00:59:05.960 and our plan is almost $800 per family, cut the GST on first homes and increase competition.

00:59:18.460 And in Canada, we have dental care, pharma care, and daycares.

00:59:24.340 We need to protect that, and we need to double new housing construction in Canada with our plan.

00:59:30.780 Very good. Thank you, Mr. Singh.

00:59:34.520 Thank you.

00:59:36.920 When I talk to people and the cost of living comes up, there are two main topics. First,

00:59:42.680 grocery costs. Second, housing costs for groceries. Major grocery giants are gouging us. We saw this

00:59:51.800 with the price of bread, the price of meat. They drive prices up and they are gouging the Canadian

00:59:58.760 public. We would put price caps on essential groceries. We would also stop corporate landlords

01:00:04.680 from buying up affordable housing and apartments.

01:00:08.600 We are in it for you.

01:00:10.360 Thank you very much, Mr. Singh.

01:00:16.500 245,000 housing units were built in 2024.

01:00:20.740 You've all promised to massively accelerate the pace of that construction.

01:00:25.680 The Liberals have said 500,000, the NDP 600,000.

01:00:29.640 Mr. Singh, you're going to start this part of the open debate.

01:00:32.720 How does this grow on trees?

01:00:35.240 we have a clear plan for how to make this happen first we would not sell off our federal land we

01:00:40.760 would keep it and we would build affordable housing on it 100 affordable we would train

01:00:46.200 canadian workers to build more homes we also must keep the affordable housing that we do have and

01:00:52.680 unfortunately the two major parties have let rich speculators buy up affordable housing and now we

01:01:00.920 have no more that's a major issue we need to keep our affordable housing and build more housing

01:01:06.680 in general a couple of ideas first of all i would like to talk for quebec

01:01:14.600 there are delays of hundreds of thousands of houses to be built and we don't have the human

01:01:19.240 resources to do so but there are initiatives for small housing for social housing modular housing

01:01:24.600 that would allow us to build quicker with fewer resources and cheaper to accommodate as many

01:01:33.120 people as possible. But I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's financial framework because

01:01:37.140 the Conservatives want to cut, cut, cut. They're going to have to cut spending at some point as

01:01:42.060 well. The Liberals want to cut in revenue but increase expenditure. There's some financial

01:01:48.460 magic that's in there somewhere. I would like to hear their financial framework or even their

01:01:54.140 electoral platforms that would be nice but mr carney 500 000 housing units and we need to get

01:02:02.380 started so that we can get the housing market working better with a reduction uh in

01:02:13.180 bureaucracy at the municipal level and in fees but we are proposing a new institution build

01:02:21.660 canada homes which is going to build affordable homes using lumber from quebec using lumber from

01:02:31.100 british colombia using canadian wood and using new canadian technologies we are going to create

01:02:37.340 a new industry how can you say 500 000 units i mean i could say 800 000 400 000 where is this

01:02:44.700 coming from you know you know if i can have 35 seconds we need to add funding of 25 billion

01:02:53.180 dollars for the development of affordable homes and 10 billion dollars for mr polyev you haven't

01:03:01.340 costed your objective yes we will in our platform which is going to come out in a few days but mr

01:03:08.860 Mr. Kearney, you're repeating exactly the same promises that Justin Trudeau has been

01:03:14.800 making for 10 years during the liberal decade when you were the economic advisor, the cost

01:03:21.620 of housing has gone up and you inflated the cost of housing then too.

01:03:28.040 You have a terrible record in England for real estate costs there, real estate prices.

01:03:34.360 The problem is that the liberals want to build bureaucracy.

01:03:38.440 They want to balloon bureaucracy by creating new departments, new bureaucrats.

01:03:44.600 We don't need more bureaucrats. 1.00

01:03:46.180 We need more homes, more new doors on new homes for young families.

01:03:51.340 The reason why housing has become so expensive today is because of taxes and bureaucracy.

01:03:58.440 I will eliminate the GST on new homes.

01:04:01.480 I will incentivize cities to free up land and accelerate permits so that we can build

01:04:08.200 build and build your home.

01:04:10.360 Interesting then, Mr. Carney.

01:04:11.720 Let us talk records. Mr. Polyev, you were a housing minister.

01:04:15.720 Yes, absolutely.

01:04:16.760 How many homes did you build?

01:04:19.000 Over 200,000.

01:04:20.040 I'll tell you, six. You built six homes.

01:04:22.200 200,000.

01:04:23.000 Six.

01:04:24.200 200,000.

01:04:25.080 We cannot believe what you're saying.

01:04:26.040 You asked a question, can I answer it?

01:04:27.320 We cannot believe, Mr. Polyev.

01:04:29.960 He only built six homes when he was in power.

01:04:35.560 Can I answer?

01:04:36.280 We know the answer.

01:04:36.920 Can I answer? It was $200,000 that year and the cost of the average home was $450,000.

01:04:46.280 So thanks very much for reminding everyone of my record. It was a good record.

01:04:50.600 During the 10 years the Conservatives were in power, rent doubled, housing costs doubled.

01:04:58.040 And then when the Liberals came in, they doubled again.

01:05:01.080 Unfortunately, Mr. Carney benefited from the housing crisis when he was the board chair at Brookfield Investments.

01:05:10.940 His company benefited from the housing crisis by buying up affordable buildings and tripling rents.

01:05:19.520 Okay, Mr. Poiliev's approach is everyone for themselves.

01:05:25.640 In the COVID crisis, he said, okay, let's cut taxes, let's cut bureaucracy.

01:05:29.840 this crisis now that we're facing the greatest crisis of our lives he's saying cut taxes cut

01:05:36.500 bureaucracy in a crisis you have to do that to a certain point but you have to act as a government

01:05:43.420 and if i may you need to have capital to catalyze investment and with a small amount of catalyzing

01:05:52.640 investment from the government of canada we can create huge private investment and a new

01:05:59.060 canadian industry another proposal that i find interesting is to allow parents who have money

01:06:08.420 in savings for their retirement to take the money temporarily to help for their kids down payment

01:06:18.340 that's not 500 billion dollars that will be required these are not civil servants that

01:06:24.180 will be fired this is a logical decision made by parents like myself who want to help their kids

01:06:30.500 without money from the state with a tax measure that helps retirees who want to help their

01:06:36.820 children would that not be more concrete than programs after programs that are just empty words

01:06:43.460 and for which there's no financial framework yeah i'll come back to that in a minute but let's let

01:06:47.140 Mr. Kearney, in 2020 and 2021, you said that inflation wouldn't happen and that it would have been a good thing if it did.

01:07:02.420 You were quoted in the media and you even advised Justin Trudeau to print money and that's what

01:07:08.660 caused our inflationary crisis. You're just like Justin Trudeau. You have exactly the same policies,

01:07:15.380 the same approach we need change and you mr kearney you do not embody change you represent

01:07:21.540 the ultra rich mr polievre is not justin trudeau i'm not justin trudeau either okay in this

01:07:28.660 election the question is who is going to succeed who is going to face mr trump

01:07:37.460 same parties same ministers same caucus same ideology same hostility against quebec

01:07:43.780 it's not just because the leader changes that the philosophy will magically change overnight.

01:07:50.580 You are all proposing or just about all of you are proposing tax cuts.

01:07:56.340 We'll see them up on the screen here. Mr Carney announced that on the first day of the campaign.

01:08:01.620 Mr probably has been announcing them for a long time. So for a couple earning $90,000 a year,

01:08:06.420 You can see the numbers up here, $1,299 in savings for the Conservatives, $1,011 for the NDP, $577 for the Liberals.

01:08:15.160 And the cost of those measures is really what I want to underline here.

01:08:18.540 Mr. Poliev, you're spending more on tax cuts than the NDP or Liberals.

01:08:26.300 Now, you've all arrived here this evening with no costed financial plan.

01:08:32.540 It's been a long time since we've seen that at the time of the leaders' debate, the leaders don't have a costed plan.

01:08:38.340 So we don't know how you're going to pay for these tax cuts.

01:08:43.720 Now, I'm going to be careful how I word this, but don't you think it's irresponsible to Canadian voters to do this?

01:08:50.740 Mr. Carney, you said you've got the numbers, but where's your costed plan?

01:08:54.740 As I've just said, we'll be presenting our costed platform this weekend.

01:09:00.540 But why not earlier at an event?

01:09:02.880 There are 10 days left in the election campaign.

01:09:06.180 It's about the same thing as Mr. Poilievre, as I've seen.

01:09:10.500 And it is going to be costed, and the operational budget will be cleaned up.

01:09:19.000 We'll balance it in three years, but at the same time, we will be investing in Canada and in Canadians.

01:09:24.880 Mr. Poilievre, where would you make the cuts?

01:09:28.200 This comes back to my earlier question to Mr. Carney, in terms of the cost of plants.

01:09:32.840 What do you have to hide?

01:09:34.340 Will transfers to provinces go down, for example?

01:09:36.300 We're going to cut consultants.

01:09:38.620 Believe it or not, a Canadian family is spending $1,400 in federal tax just to pay for consultants.

01:09:48.400 That's been a 100% increase.

01:09:50.600 I'm going to cut consultants.

01:09:52.240 Secondly, we're going to cut the cost of bureaucracy through attrition.

01:10:01.240 People will be retiring and we don't need to replace all of them.

01:10:06.240 We can slowly, gradually reduce the cost of the bureaucracy.

01:10:11.240 Third, we're going to pass a dollar-for-dollar bill.

01:10:15.240 For every new dollar in spending, there will have to be a dollar in reduced spending.

01:10:23.960 And we are going to generate $70 billion more in revenues.

01:10:31.160 But again, you and Mr. Carney don't have a costed plan that we've seen.

01:10:38.360 We are the only party that has talked about ways to increase government revenues.

01:10:43.400 We've talked about closing tax loopholes, getting rid of tax havens, empowering the CRA to go after

01:10:53.960 corporations that are not paying their taxes. These are not tax increases. These are taxes that

01:10:59.000 are already supposed to be paid. The CRA has said that tens of billions of dollars in revenues are

01:11:05.720 being lost pier poliev has been very honest with canadians he will cut he will cut health care

01:11:12.680 no he will not true that's false he said this back in 2022 when he became leader of the conservative

01:11:20.840 party and mark carney has also said very clearly that he would make massive no no no he would cut

01:11:28.600 43 billion dollars worth for the first time no that's not right at all i've said there is

01:11:38.840 an operational budget that's over 200 billion dollars a year and that budget has grown nine

01:11:47.640 percent year over year over the last 10 years we need to slow down that growth and we'll do that

01:11:56.920 with technology we'll do that with attrition as mr poiliev has suggested and we can do that and

01:12:03.720 we will do that and it's necessary but we're not going to cut transfers to individuals nor

01:12:11.720 transfers to the provinces so the provinces will not get less money mr blanchet is that what you

01:12:15.720 believe well i have an issue with this these are harry potter financial frameworks you need a lot

01:12:22.280 of magic to make it work there needs to be more money but we're going to do cuts they want to be

01:12:26.680 be more conservative than the conservatives basic economic state that when there's a threat of

01:12:32.220 recession or slowdown that is when the state well that's what why we're not saying cut taxes we're

01:12:37.100 saying make good investments we want to invest in our military forces it's the time to do so with

01:12:43.000 canadian companies the quebec tramway that mr probably doesn't want to do that's what we have

01:12:48.480 to do we have to have targeted investments health transfers so that the miserable hospital can be 0.66

01:12:53.260 renovated it's time to invest in infrastructure public infrastructure with public money so that

01:12:59.180 everyone can keep their jobs so no tax cuts no it wouldn't be a tax cut there would be a specific

01:13:05.660 budget for it it's necessary we have to keep going they want to do one thing and the other

01:13:10.460 cut but somehow make more money that something doesn't work we've started with the cost of

01:13:16.460 living we have to cut taxes for the cost of living what mr blanche has said is true you

01:13:19.980 You were talking about a magic spell here, Mr. Carney.

01:13:26.580 This is one rare moment where we agree.

01:13:29.360 On February 16th, you sat down with Rosemary Barton

01:13:32.820 and you said that you would cut spending in the operational budget.

01:13:37.200 Yes, operational spending.

01:13:39.300 That's different.

01:13:40.000 You said, one at a time, please,

01:13:42.000 that this would affect transfers from healthcare and to individuals.

01:13:47.820 No, Mr. Carney.

01:13:48.520 I have a question.

01:13:49.360 That's not right at all.

01:13:50.240 That's not right at all.

01:13:51.120 Mr. Carney, you'll have the opportunity to answer later.

01:13:54.300 The question that people are asking themselves, and you may have heard this, Mr. Singh,

01:13:59.540 you know, you've promised that every Canadian will have a family doctor,

01:14:04.040 that there will be vastly more nurses.

01:14:08.000 Does the federal government need to continue developing more national plans

01:14:13.320 like pharma care and dental care?

01:14:15.140 or option two, should they be giving more money to the provinces for health care?

01:14:20.820 Mr. Carney, you'll start off.

01:14:23.960 More programs or more money?

01:14:25.080 First of all, the priority for the federal government is to invest and to catalyze investment

01:14:32.920 in the most serious crisis we're facing in our lives.

01:14:36.640 We need to catalyze private investment in our economy to create new and good jobs.

01:14:41.920 that's the first thing we need to do in terms of transfers to provinces for health care. Yes,

01:14:47.440 there are limits to the federal government's activity. No new programs. No.

01:14:54.880 Mr. Blanchet? It's easy. All premiers from the provinces and territories unanimously

01:15:01.920 asked for a 35% health transfer. I would like to re-explain it. The federal government receives

01:15:11.280 more money than it needs it needs ten dollars it gets 12. quebec needs ten dollars but it only gets

01:15:17.280 eight so the federal government could take its surplus and say i would like to invest in your

01:15:24.640 jurisdictions the liberals and the conservatives are green agree on this and the ndp loves butting

01:15:29.600 its nose into provincial jurisdiction the constitution sets out jurisdictions the easiest

01:15:36.960 way is to give the money without conditions you've said that we do need to step in that

01:15:42.640 we need to have more programs like this let me explain absolutely we need to increase health

01:15:51.840 transfers absolutely in order to help out the provinces what is more we are now in the midst

01:15:57.280 of a crisis a healthcare crisis it is being felt here in Quebec and all throughout the country

01:16:01.520 we should recognize that a leader is someone who looks for solutions not excuses

01:16:08.240 i believe that we should be investing more in fixing problems and yes we can work with the

01:16:13.680 provinces to hire more healthcare workers we can work with them to get through this crisis

01:16:20.080 pharmacare is one area where everyone can come together to bring down the cost of medication

01:16:25.840 We believe in helping people.

01:16:29.740 Deciding Quebec's priorities isn't your jurisdiction.

01:16:34.940 I don't go to your house and tell you how to pay your award, do I?

01:16:38.940 It's money that you would refuse to give Quebec.

01:16:41.940 We can do two things at once.

01:16:43.260 We can transfer money and then work with the provinces and other solutions.

01:16:46.880 Mr. Puglia, more money to the provinces or more federal programs?

01:16:49.940 I think the federal government is taking too much tax revenues and delivering too

01:16:57.460 little and that's the Liberal track record after 10 years and the question for Canadians

01:17:02.420 is you can't afford your groceries and you can't afford your rent or your housing because it's

01:17:07.940 too expensive now after three terms of Liberal government. Will a fourth Liberal term change

01:17:13.700 things for you? Enough for you to be able to buy a house and have a beautiful life?

01:17:19.220 Okay, for the health program? I didn't understand.

01:17:24.820 What I propose on that is a program that the federal government could coordinate,

01:17:31.620 and that is to do with licenses for doctors and nurses. It would be a voluntary program,

01:17:37.460 as has previously existed to allow immigrants to be licensed and be able to work in our hospitals

01:17:45.060 to reduce your wait times. So everyone agrees on health transfer. The question is the 13 premiers

01:17:52.980 of the 13 economies of Canada. Canada doesn't have one economy, it has 13 economies. These requests

01:17:58.900 were made to stop the deterioration of the healthcare system next theme energy and climate

01:18:16.420 the carbon tax was something that was supposed to help the environment but now what are we doing for

01:18:22.180 the environment it worries me a bit our planet is starting to die i really want to see someone

01:18:27.700 who can prioritize climate change and the economy in canada we shouldn't be building a pipeline

01:18:35.700 the environmental consequences are very serious even if for ecological reasons it's not the best

01:18:41.380 solution well i think we have to think about it there was a good project in place but then it

01:18:47.380 was dropped a pipeline would have a major impact we may have to make sacrifices if we want to be

01:18:53.620 more independent?

01:18:57.380 Drill, baby drill, says Donald Trump.

01:19:03.380 But I have a very simple question for you, and I would like just a simple answer as well.

01:19:08.920 You have a 35 seconds open debate.

01:19:12.100 Do you want Canada to increase oil production, yes or no?

01:19:18.740 Mr. Singh.

01:19:20.320 I would be in favor of investing in clean energy, renewable energy with our public money.

01:19:29.020 I would spend on projects like an east-west clean energy grid.

01:19:35.080 That's the sort of thing we need.

01:19:36.080 We need renewable energy for our future.

01:19:38.580 That is where we should invest our public funds.

01:19:41.280 So more or less oil or the same amount as right now?

01:19:46.700 You want to increase it?

01:19:48.280 That's what people want to know.

01:19:49.380 Are you increasing oil production?

01:19:51.240 There are a few measures that I support.

01:19:56.140 Investing in clean energy, bringing down our emissions, we'll get to that in the open

01:20:02.940 debate later.

01:20:04.520 But the question is very simple, I think.

01:20:06.780 Mr. Karnak.

01:20:07.780 Yes.

01:20:09.500 More oil so that we can reduce our imports, especially our imports from the United States,

01:20:15.880 a country that is threatening us right now but in order to do that we need to have

01:20:24.280 low risk oil canada is a low risk country and low cost oil canada's more or less that right now but

01:20:31.560 we also need low carbon oil because we need to be competitive over the long term so at the same time

01:20:36.920 we need to have pipelines we need to invest in carbon stockage uh carbon capture as well that's

01:20:43.400 It's very important for our competitiveness.

01:20:45.300 Mr. Pauliev, should we produce more oil in Canada?

01:20:48.800 Yes.

01:20:49.800 And we have to be able to get it to market by pipeline.

01:20:55.600 Unfortunately, the other parties passed an unconstitutional law, C-69,

01:21:03.400 which is a no more pipelines bill.

01:21:08.300 And that's why Canadians and Quebecers now have to buy 139,000 barrels of U.S. oil every day.

01:21:14.940 I will repeal C-69 to allow for the construction of hydroelectric projects, mines, and also pipelines,

01:21:25.300 so that we can get around Donald Trump and be sovereign when it comes to energy.

01:21:31.260 There's a competition as to who will be the biggest oil head here.

01:21:35.100 the americans buy our oil we buy their oil because that's how geography works

01:21:41.580 i want less oil but let us be let's be clear the the one that approved 9b for enbridge was me when

01:21:51.820 i was the environment minister but i say that we have to progressively wean off of petrol and oil

01:21:57.420 because the cost on families will be far worse than what Mr. Poeliev says.

01:22:03.360 Paying for the consequences of climate change will cost billions of dollars every single year per family.

01:22:10.860 Let us invest in Quebec's green energy.

01:22:13.120 I'd like to ask a question to launch the debate.

01:22:15.880 Mr. Carney, for 17 years now, the Liberals have been telling us

01:22:21.340 that the only way to fight against climate change is to put a price on carbon.

01:22:27.420 with the carbon tax there was elections on this but the first day you came to power

01:22:35.340 you abolished this tax what should canadians understand from this is the fight against

01:22:41.660 climate change no longer a priority for liberals not at all it is still a priority

01:22:46.220 and it's a priority for canada we're talking a lot about diversifying our trade partners around

01:22:53.420 the world the european union we need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in manufacturing and

01:23:01.020 energy in all of our products so that we can have better access to that market but in terms of the

01:23:07.260 carbon tax we cut the consumer carbon tax and that covers about six percent of the reduction in

01:23:17.020 greenhouse gas emissions we are maintaining the industrial carbon tax for big polluters but we're

01:23:23.900 creating a new market so that major polluters will pay people and households to make green decisions

01:23:31.980 you would axe the second carbon tax as well the industrial tax you would emulate both

01:23:39.020 so there's no not even a fight against climate change or no incentive except that's not true

01:23:45.980 less gas there's a cost associated with using energy already but my approach is a pragmatic one

01:23:54.220 for example the national bank calculated that if we export our natural gas our liquefied natural gas

01:24:01.980 to india for example to replace coal that could reduce emissions in india by 2.5 billion tons

01:24:11.180 That's three times the emissions of all of Canada and would also bring a lot of money back to Canada.

01:24:21.180 The Liberals are blocking the construction of the pipeline and of the LNG plants.

01:24:29.180 plants. For example, LNG Quebec is a project that would make it possible for us to sell our energy

01:24:36.860 very profitably to Europe and reduce Europe's dependence on Putin. And that's what I would

01:24:45.500 like to do instead of feeding into Putin's war machine. Mr. Carney's abolition of the carbon tax

01:24:52.220 means that Canadians outside of Quebec will receive a rebate for several weeks still

01:24:58.940 for a tax that has been cut. So, this puts Quebec in an unjust position. What are you asking in this

01:25:07.100 respect? Another element. It might give Mr. Connors an opportunity to answer. Last year,

01:25:14.540 Canada invested 30 billion dollars in oil. Trans Mountain cost 40 billion dollars. It took nine

01:25:22.160 years to build it. That means that with only just these elements, that's 16 billion dollars of Quebec

01:25:29.240 money that was invested in oil. Do you want a great energy worksite? It's Quebec's green

01:25:40.580 worksite. So let's invest there. We've got to the $3.7 billion. The government would preemptively

01:25:48.420 reimburse the carbon tax. Now they've canceled the carbon tax before the elections, but they're

01:25:54.100 still sending reimbursements for expenditures that people won't have to do because the carbon tax no

01:25:59.660 longer exists. Quebec is responsible and still has a carbon trade system like California. We're being

01:26:06.180 penalized. We're taking $800 million out of Quebec's pockets. That's $100 per person,

01:26:13.620 including newborn babies. $800 from everyone's pockets. $100 from everyone's pockets to

01:26:21.620 offer electoral baubles just before election. Is there not an injustice there?

01:26:25.540 It's not an injustice. Quebec is a pioneer in carbon markets, and that's clear. First point.

01:26:33.220 And the second point, Canadians outside of Quebec and British Columbia have paid the carbon tax, and as such, they receive the carbon rebate, and all Canadians, including Quebecers, will receive the middle class tax cut.

01:27:01.500 because we have we have what we've done what we've done there's a principle here there's an

01:27:10.820 important principle here yes you're going to speak in a moment just in terms of clarity for

01:27:16.340 those who are listening to us what reimbursement are you talking about the the rebate no not in

01:27:24.520 Quebec. No, not in Quebec. But there's a principle here. We are making people whole,

01:27:35.320 people who paid the carbon tax, and we're doing that in a fair way. Europe, Quebec,

01:27:41.440 and California has a system that incentivizes companies to reduce their greenhouse gas

01:27:48.300 emissions it's about nine cents per liter and it's much cheaper than the potential effects and

01:27:55.900 the future effects of climate change back to the debate topic we are talking about the climate

01:28:00.620 crisis here that is not something that is a long way off this is something going on right now we

01:28:07.020 are already in the midst of the climate crisis we have seen it here in quebec extreme temperatures

01:28:12.700 forest fires flooding i agree with mr blanchet that it is too high a cost to bear so we need

01:28:22.140 to do something i spoke with uh one mother before i became a father and she said i'm worried about

01:28:28.940 my children when they play outside i'm worried about the bc forest fires our children cannot

01:28:34.380 breathe the air outside and now that i am a father i feel the same anxiety

01:28:42.700 With forest fires, people cannot breathe the air.

01:28:46.440 So we need to do something.

01:28:48.080 We need to protect our environment and we need to protect our children.

01:28:51.260 Mr. Poiliev, you're clear.

01:28:53.380 You're saying that we need a pipeline?

01:28:57.660 If, in spite of all of your efforts with the indigenous nations, they say no,

01:29:04.020 would you impose it in spite of all of your efforts?

01:29:06.520 If Quebec says no, would you impose it?

01:29:07.960 Well, first of all, you shouldn't assume that because most Quebecers want a pipeline, according to the polls.

01:29:18.220 Look, there's no social acceptability for the status quo.

01:29:23.920 Thank you very much.

01:29:26.080 That is the most empty sentence I've ever heard in this debate so far.

01:29:29.680 Can I answer the question? 0.84

01:29:30.680 It's nonsense. Absolute nonsense. 0.79

01:29:33.660 I'll say what it means. I'll tell you.

01:29:35.980 Quebecers who buy oil from Alberta, it's got to go through the U.S. currently, which gives Donald Trump power over our own energy.

01:29:48.220 You say you're in favor of sovereignty. I'm in favor of economic sovereignty and energy sovereignty, and that requires a pipeline across Canada.

01:29:56.580 yet another scarecrow the u.s will never bomb their economy so much by sacrificing a hugely

01:30:05.460 profitable product that's such an amazing argument how much will your pipeline cross cost

01:30:14.660 trans mountain cost 40 billion dollars but now you want a 4 600 kilometer pipeline without

01:30:20.740 investors with europe that doesn't even want it in the first place just to clarify i

01:30:27.860 would never subsidize pipelines that's unnecessary they're very profitable the only reason why it's

01:30:36.500 expensive now is because there are rules and legislation that prevent the construction of

01:30:43.300 pipelines because of bureaucracy we're going to get rid of red tape we're going to open this up

01:30:50.740 cutting environmental regulations, if Indigenous nations, in spite of all your nice efforts, 1.00

01:30:57.440 I'm talking about Mr. Carney and you who won a pipeline, if they refuse, what do you do?

01:31:02.240 Refuse? Are you saying across the board?

01:31:06.740 Yes, we've seen this.

01:31:07.740 Because he can't say that. He doesn't get to impose his will.

01:31:14.740 Mr. Poliev, if there are Indigenous nations or provinces that are against it, what do you do?

01:31:20.740 Well, there are others who will be in favor.

01:31:24.040 For example, Mr. Kearney opposed a pipeline in the West

01:31:28.580 which would have enabled us to sell our oil to Asia, the Northern Gateway Project. 0.95

01:31:35.520 80% of First Nations were in favor, 20% were against.

01:31:39.600 And in a case like that, I think the majority rules.

01:31:42.580 And I think we need to allow our companies to pay some of their taxes

01:31:46.660 directly to first nations to fight poverty through industry production that's our approach would you

01:31:54.020 be ready to impose one no never impose can i respond please never impose no but a couple of

01:32:02.660 points first of all our relationship with the united states has changed everything so imports 1.00

01:32:11.460 from the united states and geography as mr poliev has said around pipelines those are problems

01:32:19.460 those are national security problems for us and we need to act that's the first point second

01:32:25.620 on march 21st there was a meeting of the premiers all the premiers were here in ottawa and we sat

01:32:34.100 down and we agreed all the premiers signed an agreement to have an energy corridor that would

01:32:41.140 cover oil natural gas clean energy and critical minerals and with that and with a process with

01:32:53.540 indigenous leaders we can and we could have a solution to this problem and that's an example

01:33:00.980 of leadership that's an example of bringing leaders together to meet a national goal we

01:33:09.300 need to do more than that over this crisis.

01:33:13.380 I'll ask the question again. If ever, Indigenous nations... 0.99

01:33:16.580 No, I've said no.

01:33:17.460 Against it, you forget the project?

01:33:19.940 No, you cannot force projects on people.

01:33:22.100 Listen, it's a question of...

01:33:24.580 I have another question about the environment.

01:33:27.700 Here's the question.

01:33:28.980 You have said that you are a pragmatic person.

01:33:32.340 Do you agree that it is not pragmatic to continue to subsidize oil companies

01:33:38.260 with billions of dollars that's not pragmatic at all would you agree well i agree with that

01:33:43.860 principle okay then will you commit to stopping these subsidies absolutely it's clear this is

01:33:51.380 why you need new democrats look at that we got a commitment from mr carney new it's not a new

01:33:57.300 commitment that's not a new commitment let's be very clear mid-february british columbia

01:34:04.420 you like all other canadian leaders said something in english that was if necessary you would use

01:34:12.900 the executive emergency powers you said it i heard it again yesterday you would force pipelines

01:34:19.700 through canada after two days after that mr that's not it that's not it at all no please be

01:34:28.740 nice we're almost friends but then you said to monsieur what i would never like to force this so

01:34:32.820 it's not rules no let's stop this it's social acceptability that stopped this

01:34:37.080 pipeline because people said no sir Carney please reply okay no it's the

01:34:42.880 use of emergency powers for the federal government that's for federal approval

01:34:48.980 but there also has to be approval for example here in Quebec there has to be

01:34:54.600 approval from the provinces and the support of indigenous people this is

01:34:57.780 canada that's how canada works but another point if i may we're starting to see cooperation

01:35:07.540 agreements come into place with the provinces to have one project one evaluation and that's going

01:35:13.220 to accelerate the approval of major projects in canada mr blanchet you said that i have a greater

01:35:19.220 chance of signing the canadian constitution than approving a pipeline but how could you really

01:35:26.500 paint yourself in such a corner and say never ever if our relationship with the u.s gets worse

01:35:33.300 the pie and the pipeline goes to the united states if our ports become trickier in terms of imports

01:35:42.100 what would you do what would you tie your hand is a very serious one but he won't self-destruct

01:35:48.340 the american economy and americans think that canadian oil is in their backyard there's no

01:35:54.340 rule that stops oil from being built or circulating but quebec quebecers didn't want it and mr carne

01:36:01.060 said i will like to respect quebec's environmental rules so there are certain elements that are

01:36:08.660 incoherent from him it's still no because quebec is the best placed in the world to develop

01:36:17.140 a green super energy market that goes right to the south without asking Ottawa's permission.

01:36:24.520 Why would we invest in oil that doesn't have economic benefits for Quebec

01:36:28.880 if it means that we still pay more at the pump?

01:36:30.940 Two quick comments.

01:36:33.960 You are slightly behind in terms of the tramway and the third link.

01:36:39.360 We're talking about the environment and public transit as well.

01:36:42.860 So the third link, would you fund this or the tramway?

01:36:46.760 one of the other one of the other or both yes for the quebec city tramway we support public transit

01:36:54.280 we are against projects that are bad for the environment so you're against the third link

01:36:59.400 exactly we are against the third link we support the tramway one solution to address the climate

01:37:06.280 crisis while at the same time helping our economy is to invest heavily in public transit this would

01:37:12.360 help municipalities, this would help provinces. We could work together with them and use transfers to

01:37:17.960 provide more funding for these projects, and they're the sort of projects we need.

01:37:21.720 They would create good jobs, while at the same time helping Canada reduce emissions.

01:37:26.200 Mr. Pauliev, tramway or a third link, both, or just the third link?

01:37:32.360 Just the third link. You have to make choices. And I would speak to people in the regions today.

01:37:40.200 The other parties are against the third link and they want to ban gas-powered cars.

01:37:47.800 That's not practical in the regions of our country.

01:37:52.200 You need a truck, you need a car in order to live in regional areas.

01:37:58.040 So I'm going to reverse that. You'll be able to keep your truck.

01:38:01.400 We will build highways and bridges so that you can live a good life in the regions.

01:38:09.240 both projects the quebec government wants the tramway the city of quebec city rather wants the

01:38:16.600 tramway the federal government needs to give the money required to the provincial government for

01:38:21.800 the tramway we don't know what a third link looks like we don't know where it's going to go under

01:38:27.800 over we don't know what color is going to be you are supposed to give your opinion on that for the

01:38:32.920 the past three debates. Please remind me of my past. Well, I can be quick. Tramway, yes,

01:38:41.720 because there is a project that's underway. We support it. And as Mr. Blanchet has said,

01:38:46.760 there is no project right now for the third link. But I think the third link will be a blue one.

01:38:54.440 It'll be blue. Right. I don't have a lot of time left, but I'll add one more question.

01:38:59.800 Do we have to speed up the development of nuclear power?

01:39:05.800 Yes. Yes, absolutely. And for a couple of reasons.

01:39:09.240 Across Quebec and Ontario?

01:39:10.680 Yeah. It's a choice that Quebec and the provinces will make.

01:39:17.320 But we have a major advantage here in Canada. We have uranium.

01:39:22.360 We have big nuclear companies, including Westinghouse, Candu, and others, and we have technology in small modular reactors, so it's a great opportunity.

01:39:36.360 I understand there are countries in the world that need nuclear energy. I don't think Canada needs nuclear energy. Quebec doesn't want it. I'm not going to interfere in Canadian energy.

01:39:47.360 Canadian energy. Quebecers don't want nuclear energy. I'm also the one that managed the

01:39:56.580 closure of the plant. But we're not going to reopen it.

01:40:02.400 As a national project, I am in favor of an east-west energy grid that would connect Quebec

01:40:11.680 with Manitoba and BC to transport clean energy. I'm not so much in favor of nuclear energy.

01:40:18.220 I support renewable and hydro energy more.

01:40:21.320 In favor. That's one of the best sources of electricity. It provides 60% of the electricity

01:40:29.800 in Ontario. Unfortunately, bureaucracy slows down construction without adding any safety.

01:40:37.080 I would take the politicians off the Nuclear Safety Commission and allow scientists to do the work

01:40:44.520 so that we can add that source of energy to the portfolio.

01:40:49.720 This is the first time I've heard Mr. Paulyev say something pro-science.

01:40:57.320 Next theme, immigration and foreign affairs.

01:40:59.240 there are lots of issues with immigration that are linked to donald trump it's hard

01:41:09.240 to immigrate these days i'd like to stay if i can find a good job we have to deal with

01:41:14.840 people who are arriving in droves because people arriving and they don't have work

01:41:20.920 should we let them in or not why not why not welcome them if we have the capacity

01:41:25.400 do you think we should let them let in anyone who wants to come 1.00

01:41:29.520 in the united in the united states there's one rule in canada there's another

01:41:34.360 i think everyone should follow the rule

01:41:36.080 we know there are over 500 000 haitians currently living in the united states who are now being

01:41:45.780 threatened with deportation they might lose their temporary protection i'll show you the numbers

01:41:51.300 here. This is the number of people crossing the border in Saint-Bernard-de-Lacol. 1411

01:42:01.780 people in the first half of April. That's more than in March, February or January. So you can

01:42:06.580 see the numbers are growing. Simple question. You have 35 seconds each. Would you accept these

01:42:12.420 Haitians into Canada or not? Mr. Carney. Well, first of all, this is a question of humanity.

01:42:18.740 this is a human issue and these are some of the most vulnerable people in north america

01:42:25.860 but there are limits we have to be human but we have to be realistic canada cannot accept

01:42:32.180 everyone and we have an agreement with the americans the safe third country agreement

01:42:38.980 And under that agreement, we will send back most asylum seekers. 1.00

01:42:48.940 So they would be mostly sent back to the U.S.

01:42:50.940 Mr. Blanchet.

01:42:52.340 The rules aren't tributary to the origin of the requester.

01:42:57.300 We can't say we'll welcome the Haitians, but tough luck to the Venezuelans. 1.00

01:43:04.740 The rules need to be the same for everyone.

01:43:08.360 I'm particularly sensitive to this because I often meet with Haitian representatives.

01:43:13.220 They are francophones, and so it's easier for them to integrate into Quebec.

01:43:17.540 If Quebec is able financially to welcome them, then I'm sympathetic.

01:43:22.000 But the rules have to be applied, and Quebec's welcoming capacity is at its very limit.

01:43:28.920 The formal rule now would be to send them back because they are in a safe third country, i.e. the U.S.

01:43:36.940 Mr. Singh. In general, we should do our part. It's a question of humanity and compassion.

01:43:51.740 We appreciate the fact that our country is founded on immigration. That is something

01:43:56.060 important to us. We want immigration levels that are in line with our needs.

01:43:59.900 but if yes we need to take in people but if we cannot accept people well we don't want them to

01:44:10.940 have a bad life here in canada or in quebec so we need immigration but we cannot take everyone 1.00

01:44:16.220 yes or no the specific question the question is is do we accept those people for the people crossing

01:44:23.820 the border at l'école would they be welcome to canada or not because we have the right to send

01:44:28.060 them back under the safety of their country agreement? Unfortunately they have to be returned

01:44:32.700 because immigration has to follow the normal entry points. Quebecers are extremely generous

01:44:41.740 and welcoming. They welcomed my wife as Mr. Blanchet mentioned but the Liberal government

01:44:48.540 has abused Quebecers generosity with an out of control immigration system. 1.00

01:44:54.780 the population has grown three times faster than the number of new homes built this has created a

01:45:03.180 housing crisis in Quebec they're at the breaking point and the government of Quebec has been given

01:45:09.900 the power to choose immigrants that was under the Mulroney government that that power was delegated

01:45:17.980 to Quebec so we need to have realistic numbers realistic based on our housing capacity

01:45:24.780 What Mr. Poilievre is saying is that immigrants should be blamed for something that is really the fault of successive conservative and liberal governments who have not invested enough in our resources, who have not built enough housing, who have not welcomed people in the way that they should have been welcomed.

01:45:42.600 This cannot be blamed on immigrants.

01:45:46.380 That's not true.

01:45:47.200 Quebec is now asking, given the number of asylum seekers in its territory, for $500 million.

01:46:01.180 That was the amount they asked for in 2024.

01:46:04.240 Mr. Poliev, you'll be starting this open debate.

01:46:07.020 Would you be sending a $500 million check to Quebec?

01:46:09.260 We have to work with the government of Quebec to fix the damage the Liberals caused

01:46:15.200 with an out of control immigration system and I also have to say that I reject the century 1.00

01:46:20.960 initiative which is a liberal policy to balloon Canada's population to 100 million people that's

01:46:27.840 extreme I think we should go back to immigration levels that are such that the population never 1.00

01:46:37.920 grows faster than the number of houses, jobs, or health care services available.

01:46:43.600 Mr. Carney, would you give more money to Quebec? And more generally,

01:46:50.240 where would you like to have the immigration quota set?

01:46:52.720 Yes, we'll start with the second part. We need to have a cap on all types of immigration for 1.00

01:47:01.360 a certain amount of time so that we can increase our capacity to welcome newcomers to Canada,

01:47:06.880 including in housing, in training and language training here in Quebec and make sure that the

01:47:12.240 social safety net can accept them. And in those circumstances, sorry, the targets announced by

01:47:17.760 your predecessor, Mr. Trudeau, you would bring them down further. Is that correct? Well, there

01:47:23.760 are some challenges here in Quebec, for example, challenges with temporary foreign workers, for

01:47:32.800 example and it's a question of distribution if i can say it that way the distribution of workers

01:47:40.000 across quebec and there's a shortage of workers but we will maintain the cap on immigration for

01:47:49.200 certainly a couple of years so that we can increase our ability to welcome

01:47:57.280 would you reduce the number of immigrants to canada in general

01:48:00.640 instead of answering with a simple yes or no i would want to base our response on the fact

01:48:06.720 it is obvious that we need immigration when i speak to quebec farmers they tell me yes we need 1.00

01:48:12.640 immigrants to work on our farms when i talk to small and medium businesses they tell me that we

01:48:20.000 need immigrants the question is what level of immigration we would base our immigration levels

01:48:28.320 on the findings of an expert panel which would study our capacities.

01:48:33.040 Then we would have a data-based number. But I do not want to fall into the trap of

01:48:42.480 fear-mongering or blaming immigrants for things. We need a facts-based, needs-based approach.

01:48:51.440 Temporary foreign workers are temporary. They're a different category. Foreign students are a 1.00

01:48:57.520 separate category and they are essential for our post-secondary establishments in quebec and in

01:49:04.240 canada unfortunately it's being used as a roundabout way to get asylum or and asylum is also

01:49:13.360 taken advantage of through smuggling and organized crime we don't want to import vulnerable workers 1.00

01:49:19.760 because we simply need people asylum seekers should be people who are in distress that we 1.00

01:49:24.480 need to welcome based on our welcoming capacity. We are not currently in Quebec able to welcome

01:49:32.080 as many people that are arriving. Quebec needs to be able to establish what its targets are.

01:49:36.960 And one clear element, the federal parliament, with a block Quebecois initiative,

01:49:46.080 decided to force the federal government to consult provinces within 100 days

01:49:49.840 to determine how many immigrants would be welcomed. No one can decide, apart from Quebec, 0.99

01:49:57.600 how much Quebec can accept and welcome. Another rare moment where I agree with Mr Blanchet.

01:50:08.160 Temporary foreign workers are often victims of power abuses. We would restrict the use of workers 1.00

01:50:16.240 who are exploited by major corporations the central initiative was 100 million immigrants

01:50:21.600 in canada before the end of the century dominic barton a parliamentary committee said that they

01:50:27.120 did not take into account the quebec the uniqueness of quebec and one of the two co-authors of the

01:50:31.520 center initiative and 100 million people is now one of mr carney's close advisors mr carney

01:50:40.400 on a different subject now

01:50:41.600 would you say that the immigration system in canada is going off the rails or has gone off

01:50:49.920 the rails in the last seven or eight years the system isn't working and especially after the

01:51:00.400 pandemic our population has gone up i think at about three percent per year because of immigration

01:51:14.960 and that's why we need to have a cap for a certain period of time and i can say i'd like to say that

01:51:23.440 Canadians, Quebecers, and all Canadians, they want to welcome immigrants.

01:51:33.280 There's no problem with Canadians' attitudes here at all. It's the responsibility of all of us

01:51:41.840 to increase our capacity to welcome newcomers. Is it normal? Now, in France,

01:51:47.360 it takes six months in germany eight months so why do asylum seekers 1.00

01:51:54.880 coming to canada take at least three years to be processed because canada is obstinate

01:52:01.360 in welcoming more people than they can process uh house and they're not taking into account

01:52:09.040 the proportionality of every province and territory i spoke with federal public servants

01:52:15.520 and they told me that there is a lack of resources there aren't enough workers to

01:52:21.040 manage all the files that are coming in it's unthinkable that people have to wait three years

01:52:27.280 for an answer but it's a huge problem so we need to have more people working on this

01:52:38.480 people who can make decisions or at the very least provide an answer because it is entirely

01:52:42.880 unacceptable that we have people waiting so long.

01:52:46.080 Mr. Poyev, is this problem solvable?

01:52:49.440 Yes. Look, it's all about efficiency. By screening out bogus asylum seekers, 1.00

01:53:02.080 that's what's slowing things down. We could reduce processing times by getting rid of the bogus

01:53:08.000 claimants and when people are forum shopping when they've been to other

01:53:15.860 places that also slows things down and discourages genuine claimants. My

01:53:21.260 point of view is that if someone's in danger in their country of origin they

01:53:26.300 should be able to decide to come to Canada but if they're not refugees for 1.00

01:53:32.400 example we've seen a situation in Mexico where people came here without ever

01:53:37.760 needing to be refugees. They never needed asylum, and that causes a bottleneck in the system.

01:53:44.740 And so what we're going to do is ensure that genuine refugees can come here and have their

01:53:50.180 lives saved through the generosity of Canadians. But how do you separate the real ones from

01:53:56.560 the non-real ones? Well, that's the problem, the machine, the apparatus is too cumbersome.

01:54:04.040 and Mexico was one of the causes in the problem. 0.92

01:54:08.780 So by eliminating that source, that helps alleviate the problem.

01:54:12.400 Is that an acceptable wait time in Canada?

01:54:14.160 No, it's not acceptable.

01:54:16.940 It's inhumane.

01:54:19.660 It's inhumane for asylum seekers. 1.00

01:54:23.260 And that's an indication that there is a problem with productivity in that department.

01:54:28.900 That takes resources, but it's also a question of productivity.

01:54:32.000 Why not hitting the brake pedal with kindness, of course?

01:54:38.000 Why not slow things down until we have a good system and a good public service for immigration that can deal with files in a few months? 0.54

01:54:47.000 The rhythm is far too quick, and so we can't succeed at this rate.

01:54:52.000 Great. People for economic reasons or who are in distress for other reasons come to Canada and they're lost because their files aren't being processed.

01:55:03.240 You can conclude, Mr. Carney.

01:55:05.840 I more or less agree with that. But we need to be, as you've said, we need to be neutral. We need to act in a neutral and fair way.

01:55:16.560 All right.

01:55:17.600 A fair way for all.

01:55:19.860 to save some time to talk about two other important files international uh aid ukraine and gaza we

01:55:26.740 think we've understood your position on immigration the question is simple should we cut international 0.95

01:55:32.500 aid or not i'll give you some figures here 2.1 billion dollars is being given to ukraine currently

01:55:38.980 that's a large amount of money for canada uh ethiopia also haiti there's a long list of other

01:55:45.940 other countries that we could have put up on the board. Mr. Polyev, you've said that we need to cut

01:55:51.460 international aid. What would you cut? Ukraine, Ethiopia, Haiti? No. I would start by cutting off

01:55:57.620 China. The Liberal government gave $250 million to the Chinese Infrastructure Bank in order to build

01:56:06.020 pipelines highways and other infrastructure to promote uh the expansion of beijing's empire i

01:56:16.020 don't think that's a good use of taxpayer money also we saw unraw the organization in the gaza

01:56:23.460 strip that took part or whose employees took part in the attacks of september 7th so i don't think

01:56:31.860 we should be funding that type of activity either the aid we give should be directly to people in

01:56:38.340 need and not through bureaucracies multinational bureaucracies and terrorists currently doctors

01:56:48.820 without borders just today said that the situation was worse than ever

01:56:53.620 So if you cut UNRWA, which might be an imperfect organization, but if you cut aid to them,

01:57:05.540 how can Canada help Calisthenians? 1.00

01:57:07.900 With not-for-profit groups, NGOs that will deliver the services directly to Gazans on

01:57:16.900 on the ground because it's a waste of money, that money that's not even getting to the people.

01:57:25.900 I will start by saying, if there's anyone in an organization with a problem, then yes, that should be investigated.

01:57:37.900 But what you said about UNRWA was disgusting. This is the only organization that is helping out people on the ground.

01:57:42.900 And you painted the entire organization with the same brush, calling it a terrorist organization.

01:57:48.260 That is unacceptable, that is hateful, and it is entirely inappropriate.

01:57:53.280 Mr. Carney, on the subject of Palestinians and international aid, would you continue to fund UNRWA?

01:58:01.300 Yes.

01:58:02.780 We are in a situation where we need to have an immediate ceasefire.

01:58:08.280 we need to have all the hostages returned and we need to resume humanitarian aid to Gaza

01:58:16.600 and at this time we have a hundred million dollars from the government of Canada that is ready to be

01:58:22.680 provided in humanitarian aid to Gaza with organizations that are working there and that's

01:58:30.040 key and i agree with mr singh there are only a couple of groups that are working in gaza right now

01:58:43.000 it's a very unique situation in canada and in quebec the jewish community is victims of radical

01:58:51.080 islamists palestinians are currently victims of terrible violence from the israeli regime

01:59:01.000 we have to help people in distress there and elsewhere it's the best way to have international

01:59:06.460 aid that is not military we need to allow people to live happily where they live and palestine

01:59:14.320 will not become mar-a-lago for americans that just want to chill on the coast we have to see

01:59:20.880 the money goes we have to see how much money is is taken by hamas is maybe less now but it was

01:59:28.880 huge in the past a lot of money was taken from the palestinians we have to help help palestinians

01:59:33.760 at the end of the day international aid so the three of you on this side would continue

01:59:38.400 mr poyev do you have an amount in in your mind of how much you would cut in in international aid

01:59:45.920 We're going to target waste in all programs.

01:59:51.120 We will audit to identify examples like UNRWA when they used funds for Hamas.

02:00:02.480 We're also going to find other examples of international waste because…

02:00:08.080 the decision is to protect Canadian taxpayers. We all agree that there's a lot of suffering

02:00:18.640 here in Canada and Canadians can't afford to pay their bills. So we need to find some savings in

02:00:26.260 order to reduce the cost of living here in Canada. And we need to look at all departments

02:00:33.460 in order to find those savings and protect affordability in Canada.

02:00:39.260 I'd like to come back to the question of Gaza.

02:00:40.260 Mr. Singh, I'm sorry everyone's had their piece to say.

02:00:42.880 The situation is heartbreaking.

02:00:45.180 It's heartbreaking to see innocent people being killed.

02:00:48.180 Mr. Carney, why don't you call things as they are?

02:00:51.540 This is a genocide.

02:00:53.200 People in Israel do deserve peace and security,

02:00:55.480 but people in Palestine do as well.

02:00:57.020 What is going on right now is a genocide against people in Palestine.

02:01:01.080 Why won't you admit it?

02:01:01.860 The situation in Gaza, in the Middle East, is horrible, but I never use that word in

02:01:16.000 a political way to politicize the situation.

02:01:19.360 But it's a matter of facts.

02:01:21.360 That was Mr. Carney's response.

02:01:23.660 I think we've understood your question, Mr. Singh.

02:01:27.360 Now, we'll be moving on to the next theme, identity and sovereignty.

02:01:36.360 It would be good to put flags out on our balconies to show our Canadian pride.

02:01:41.360 I was surprised to see how proud people were.

02:01:46.360 We're Canadian. We will not be Americans. 0.95

02:01:50.360 I think we're going to be more united.

02:01:53.360 I think I haven't seen this in a long time.

02:01:56.360 So yes, we've all seen this across Canada. All commentators have seen this.

02:02:03.860 There is a wave of patriotism in Canada, but we've also seen deep divisions in the West.

02:02:12.620 Alberta says it may separate. We've got six months to the next Prime Minister to meet its requests.

02:02:21.020 Otherwise, there could be a crisis of national unity that is unprecedented.

02:02:27.020 In Quebec, the Parti Québécois is nearing power and is promising a referendum during your turn, possibly.

02:02:37.020 At the end of the day, are we not as divided or as the US or very divided?

02:02:45.020 We'll go around the table, Mr. Poiliev first.

02:02:48.020 Unfortunately, yes, there are divisions all across Canada, all kinds of divisions.

02:02:53.960 And I think that we've had a federal government that has divided everyone,

02:03:02.680 pitting regions against one another and various groups against one another,

02:03:07.880 social classes pitted against one another.

02:03:13.780 We need to unite Canadians.

02:03:15.860 We need to unite around our common identity.

02:03:20.200 That includes the French language, our English language, our military, the promise of Canada

02:03:26.320 that anyone who works hard can have a great life in a beautiful house on a safe street.

02:03:31.200 Thank you.

02:03:32.200 Mr. Singh, is there not division in Canada?

02:03:37.220 When I travel throughout the country, I observe great unity, great solidarity.

02:03:47.280 Canadians want to defend our country.

02:03:49.780 They do not want to become the 51st state.

02:03:52.640 They want to protect what is dear to our hearts.

02:03:57.180 When I talk to people about identity, people tell me our identity is taking care of one

02:04:01.840 another.

02:04:02.840 We have programs for that.

02:04:03.840 For example, our health care system.

02:04:05.900 We need to protect these systems and strengthen them, not cut them or sacrifice them.

02:04:11.820 Now is the time to bring people together to get things done with our solidarity.

02:04:16.340 Thank you.

02:04:17.340 Mr. Blanchet.

02:04:18.340 I think that people confuse certain things.

02:04:25.000 Some people think that all Canadians should follow one single line behind the federal

02:04:30.380 government and so we only have one economy.

02:04:34.840 Mr. Trump's fear or rather the threat of Mr. Trump has to be taken seriously but instrumentalizing

02:04:41.780 it for nation building in Canada, where Quebecers are being asked to be attached to their language

02:04:51.800 as a frivolity, I can't agree with that.

02:04:55.300 Thank you.

02:04:56.300 Quebec's uniqueness is also economic and we have to be on the same level playing field.

02:05:02.840 well there's always a risk but i think that right now canadians are uniting and they want to unite

02:05:17.800 canadians want a positive agenda there is solidarity here health health care is a right

02:05:24.680 here in canada it's not a big business like in the united states we put a value on diversity here

02:05:32.840 And we also put importance on judicial independence.

02:05:37.840 And, you know, the potential of Canada is enormous because we're all in this together.

02:05:42.840 Thank you. So open debate, Mr. Blanchet.

02:05:47.840 How can we think that Quebec, if it's on its own and independent,

02:05:51.840 could be stronger to stand up to Trump in comparison with all of Canada right now?

02:05:58.840 Canada right now? Does Canada need to be a province of Mexico to be allied to Mexico

02:06:04.260 against the states? We're not in that debate this week, but Quebec does not need to be a Canadian 0.97

02:06:12.400 province to talk of its own voice. Our economy is doing fairly well, but our economy is different

02:06:18.320 to that of Canada's. And the announcements that have been made have helped Ontario steel,

02:06:24.820 Ontario banking, the Ontario automotive industry to fund Western oil.

02:06:30.300 Those were the investments made.

02:06:35.920 The counter tariffs on aluminium are very harmful

02:06:38.400 because people have to pay for the aluminium they sent to be processed in the States.

02:06:44.120 They then re-imported into Canada.

02:06:46.200 Two billion dollars to the States in countervailing tariffs.

02:06:50.420 For that, nothing happened.

02:06:54.820 But now, $2 billion has simply been signed by Mr. Carney for the automotive industry.

02:07:03.100 He sees himself as a negotiator, but he hasn't even been re-elected yet.

02:07:07.600 Should Quebecers not make sure that they have a strong voice that collaborates?

02:07:12.940 I've already said that we would work with Canada, but I've asked to speak to Mr. Carney, but he's never called me.

02:07:20.580 He's never wanted to talk to me.

02:07:21.680 I want Quebec to be at the negotiating table for a stronger negotiating position with Canada.

02:07:27.920 Is there also not a risk, like was the case with the automotive industry in Ontario,

02:07:38.080 because this could happen to the detriment of saving other industries in our country,

02:07:44.080 if we put all our eggs in the automotive basket?

02:07:47.040 Not at all. For example, our counter tariffs for the aluminum sector and steel.

02:07:53.840 No, no, they're not bad. They're not bad at all.

02:07:56.720 We import aluminium cans from the States that comes from our...

02:08:02.080 No, no, that's not mine at all.

02:08:06.000 If I may, the counter tariffs for the aluminum sector are 30 billion dollars.

02:08:13.120 the counter tariffs are 30 billion dollars rather the counter tariffs for the automotive sector

02:08:18.160 that's eight billion dollars that's a huge difference because you know there are a number

02:08:23.520 of reasons for this but our counter tariffs it's not just for quebec it's for the workers there

02:08:32.000 are much higher i don't know where that money came from i don't know when the industry will

02:08:37.760 get that money we are using we are using the counter tariffs what was it two billion dollars

02:08:41.440 for automotive immediately for them because we're shaking in our boots when the automotive industry

02:08:49.120 is at risk but aluminium was not supported there's no processing uh capacity there's no help for

02:08:54.720 temporary work losses two billion dollars for the automotive industry but nothing for aluminium

02:09:01.120 when it's ontario the checks come flying but it has to be the same for other places right

02:09:05.680 especially Quebec. That's the numbers. Your numbers are wrong. Mr. Paul Yev.

02:09:14.800 Yeah, but he's got a point when he says that the weakness in our country right now

02:09:20.960 threatens our unity. Your Liberal government for 10 years has the worst track record on immigration,

02:09:28.800 on housing on inflation on crime but doesn't it embarrass you to ask canadians for a fourth term

02:09:42.560 of office after the worst liberal record i've just become leader and same members of parliament

02:09:53.280 same it's the same old promises and i've been prime minister for one month and in that month

02:09:59.280 we have an agreement with the provinces we have an agreement with australia we have an agreement

02:10:03.600 with france we have an agreement with the united kingdom we have set up negotiations for the next

02:10:09.920 prime minister and that's a decision that people at home are going to make and we've done all of

02:10:15.360 that in this short time and we've also cut the tax we've put in place programs for workers who

02:10:25.680 are most affected by this terra for and all that in one month okay quebec sent a letter with five

02:10:34.320 requests no one responded to it we made requests but we keep hearing oh we spoke to provinces

02:10:43.680 things are great with Quebec, but we didn't get any response to our letter, is it because

02:10:50.980 of the final straight of the election campaign?

02:10:54.100 What's going on?

02:10:55.100 Mr. Carney, you described health care as a right, and I agree with that.

02:10:58.840 But you are talking about massive cuts to health care, you admitted it.

02:11:03.400 Mr. Singh, I let you speak earlier.

02:11:06.120 The long-time Liberal government House leader, Karina Gould, agreed that they would be cut.

02:11:13.680 I let you speak more earlier, but now we're nearing the end.

02:11:21.180 We're talking about Quebec and French.

02:11:24.180 Does Quebec have the right to defend French, even at the cost of using the notwithstanding clause upstream?

02:11:34.680 Mr. Poliaff.

02:11:37.180 Yes. Quebec must defend French.

02:11:42.680 It's the common language of Quebec, and I will defend French.

02:11:48.920 My father was a Francophone from Saskatchewan.

02:11:53.720 I lost my French a little bit when I was a teenager, but I married a Quebecer.

02:11:59.780 Our children speak French, and I understand why French needs to be protected.

02:12:03.700 And that is why I will continue to support laws and policies that allow Quebec and the federal government to protect French all across Canada.

02:12:12.200 using the notwithstanding clause to protect something, you're against that, Mr. Carney?

02:12:19.200 Well, there is a general question here around the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way.

02:12:29.200 And it's not necessarily a question just for Quebec.

02:12:32.200 It's been used in Quebec, but it could also apply in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario.

02:12:38.200 And it has. And so the question is, do we have rights and freedoms here in Canada?

02:12:43.180 Are we equal? And we need to consider the right balance, certainly.

02:12:52.380 But the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way, that's a question for the Supreme Court.

02:12:57.600 Mr. Blanchet, in terms of the use of the notwithstanding clause, obviously you have no problem with that.

02:13:03.100 Jean Chrétien, on behalf of Pierre Trudeau, negotiated with the provinces, and it led to the notwithstanding clause.

02:13:11.860 And this wasn't signed on by Quebec. It was tested.

02:13:18.100 It's not the type of use that is in question. It's how it is used.

02:13:23.200 The Supreme Court has already decided. Mr Carney wants to turn to the Supreme Court to disagree with itself in the decision it made with Quebec.

02:13:30.080 There are interveners from Quebec who have challenged this to the Supreme Court.

02:13:38.560 You are going to take Quebec taxpayer money to contest a Quebec bill that is under Quebec

02:13:44.800 jurisdiction that was adopted by the National Assembly of Quebec.

02:13:48.480 Mr. Singh on this notwithstanding clause for French.

02:13:52.560 I believe in protecting the French language.

02:13:57.040 During this debate, I have tried to bring up health a few times.

02:13:59.520 Mr Roy cut me off a number of times. Look at my time on the clock. Every time I tried to bring up

02:14:06.320 health care, I was responding directly to something that Mr Carney said, because health is

02:14:11.200 something that is important for me. It is about identity. It's something I am very passionate

02:14:17.200 about. And every time I tried to bring it up, Mr Roy called me out and cut me off. That is not fair.

02:14:23.600 For me, the question of health care is crucial. When I talk to people on the street and ask them

02:14:28.880 what is important to them, they say universal public health care. People ought to know that

02:14:35.920 the other leaders on this stage tonight would cut health care funding. And I think that's wrong.

02:14:43.040 No, no, no. Not now, Mr. Blanchet. No, neither Mr. Blanchet nor I have said this. And I need to

02:14:50.720 tell people because it's important. This is what I believe in. This is what I believe in and what

02:14:55.600 the NDP believes in. That's not right to make allegations like that. We talked about health

02:15:00.400 earlier, I let you speak, but now we're moving on to another topic. Yes, but now we need to bring

02:15:05.760 it up in in the context of identity. What is Canadian identity? Healthcare. We have to bring

02:15:11.760 it up in this part of the debate. Canadian identity is about taking care of one another.

02:15:16.720 We need our universal public healthcare system. It should be strengthened. It should be

02:15:20.800 protected we are in the midst of a health care crisis it's supposed to be an open debate so we

02:15:26.560 should be able to talk about whatever topic comes up there's a lot of risk when it comes to

02:15:34.000 the health of a language let's talk about language there's health care issues in quebec as well and

02:15:40.080 i am here to protect the healthcare system for everyone including quebec outside of quebec mr

02:15:44.720 Singh and others. The weighting of francophones has gone from 6% in 71% to 3.5% in 2021.

02:15:54.960 How will you reverse this trend? People are listening to you across Canada.

02:15:59.280 Well, first of all, we are going to increase the level of francophone immigrants outside of Quebec.

02:16:08.240 will increase that from 10 to 12 percent. Second, we will strengthen Radio Canada and CBC with new

02:16:18.000 governance structure and new money. Mr. Poliev wants to cut that. We are going to strengthen the

02:16:26.240 telefilm industry and the Canadian Council for the Arts so that we can increase training.

02:16:30.720 First of all, the Conservative Party supported the federal legislation to ensure that federally

02:16:43.000 regulated workplaces in Quebec follow Bill 101.

02:16:48.380 We also will increase funding to allow young people to take part in French immersion for

02:16:58.960 anglophones coming from outside quebec and that will enrich the french language and third we'll

02:17:03.520 make sure quebec has more control over immigrant selection so that they can better choose those

02:17:12.240 who can be francized and integrated into the labor market and quebec culture that's what

02:17:20.000 we want to do to protect the french language mr colliev of course your position on radio canada

02:17:26.560 and the CBC. It has created a lot of concerns. You've continued to say that you would protect

02:17:34.240 Radio-Canada because it provides a service to francophone minorities across the country,

02:17:38.800 but you would abolish the CBC. How is such a thing possible?

02:17:42.880 Well, it is possible. We have news networks.

02:17:47.440 But they share the same buildings. You understand how difficult it would be.

02:17:50.080 I do understand the situation. I will protect Radio-Canada's services because there's already other French-language news services.

02:18:02.020 TVA is an example. So it is possible to have a news service that's focused on French news services.

02:18:12.340 And the CBC can just operate with its own revenues as an NGO, as a non-governmental organization.

02:18:20.580 The principle is that the government should simply do what the market cannot do.

02:18:26.500 And the market would never be able to provide exclusive French services to francophones all across Canada.

02:18:37.780 So there is a role for the government to play in defending French news services.

02:18:42.980 When I was a young person in Calgary, that was the only way for me to get news in French.

02:18:48.580 So I would protect those services because there's a good reason to do that.

02:18:52.720 Let me translate that.

02:18:56.520 Mr. Poilier wants to get rid of Radio-Canada and CDC and then he would write a check to other companies

02:19:05.380 so that they can provide French language services. That's the wrong thing to do. We would protect 1.00

02:19:10.580 Radio-Canada and CBC, especially in the context of misinformation which is undermining our

02:19:16.500 democracy. I am not a Francophone, but I am a Francophile. I love the French language. I have

02:19:23.540 fallen in love with it. It enriches our country. Having Quebec benefits all of Canada.

02:19:31.780 the forward-thinking ideas that have come out of Quebec. We need Quebec. We need the French 1.00

02:19:38.080 language and we will protect them. For the first time since 2011, there are no women here as

02:19:46.100 leaders. I met with a young woman. This is a very short clip. I met with her earlier this week. Do

02:19:53.180 you have a question for the leaders, something you're concerned about? In Canada, the status of

02:19:58.920 women? Yeah, the status of women. You're worried about things moving backward? Yes, that there 0.99

02:20:05.820 could be a rollback of women's rights by some parties. That concerns me. My question, would 1.00

02:20:13.520 you commit to making sure that there are no women's rights that are rolled back? And for

02:20:19.060 example, would you push for having free contraception, as is already the case in some provinces?

02:20:24.580 Is that something that you would commit to, starting with Mr. Peliyev?

02:20:29.860 We will not eliminate that. We will protect women's rights. I have a message for Canadian

02:20:36.660 women who are watching. We will not pass legislation that would restrict the right 0.95

02:20:43.220 to abortion. That's been our policy for 20 years and it won't change. That's a guarantee that I 0.75

02:20:49.700 make to you we will in fact broaden women's rights by dealing with crime against women

02:20:58.900 women are often victims of assaulters who are released because of liberal legislation they're 0.98

02:21:08.900 released repeatedly and that allows serious criminals to repeat offend against women and

02:21:17.380 We are going to lock those men up to protect women against violence.

02:21:24.500 Of course, our party believes in women's rights. 0.67

02:21:28.980 We would never allow for any backsliding on that front.

02:21:34.820 You brought up Pharmacare. Well, it was the NDP that forced the Liberal government to bring in Pharmacare.

02:21:40.660 It covers now diabetes medication, but also contraceptives, and we believe that is crucial.

02:21:48.980 Rights are important, but being able to access the rights is also important.

02:21:53.620 We are also the only party running a candidate slate that is half women. 1.00

02:21:58.180 The other parties have seen backsliding on their candidate slates in terms of

02:22:03.460 diverse people and women. But for us, it's an important issue. Our candidate slate must 0.97

02:22:09.060 represent the Canadian public, and that means it should be half women. 0.82

02:22:16.180 For us, we will always defend women's rights and also access to those rights.

02:22:24.100 There is no member of the Bloc Québécois that will be able to table a bill or motions that are

02:22:31.940 against abortion. Preventive MAID will also not be allowed. With American influence, we are in a

02:22:43.140 very difficult place for women. There are many ways that invite women to participate in politics. We 0.98

02:22:53.540 have reached parity with the Bloc Québécois. We wanted it to be 50-50, but in our current political

02:23:00.340 culture and i have many great women in my party it's much more difficult at the federal level than 1.00

02:23:07.700 in quebec yes i think that this an aspect of politics right now the negative politics that

02:23:15.060 we're seeing it's becoming more and more difficult to recruit women as candidates

02:23:21.780 and really any candidate but absolutely we defend the rights of women all the time but what i'm

02:23:28.900 concerned about is the use of the notwithstanding clause not in a preventative way but after

02:23:38.500 supreme court judgments have been made that what does that do it takes away

02:23:44.980 canadians rights and freedoms and it creates and mr poiliev has proposed this

02:23:52.100 for you know for i know i know the situation but this is a very dangerous development because if

02:24:00.420 we start with that abortion could be give the right to the right to abortion could eventually 0.93

02:24:07.300 be next yeah if you can answer mr kearney i said in a case where a man kills six people

02:24:14.740 in a premeditated way and the court released that person that means he served four years for each

02:24:23.440 life he took the criminal in that case will be free in 50 years you're talking about danger

02:24:30.220 that's what's dangerous liberal laws liberal laws that allow criminals to circulate on our streets 0.99

02:24:40.180 I will never excuse for locking murderers up.

02:24:44.980 No, I'm sorry, but you're trying to change the Canadian Constitution.

02:24:49.520 All right, gentlemen.

02:24:50.400 That's what you've proposed.

02:24:52.780 I would use Section 33 to put an end to the crime that liberals caused with their policies.

02:25:00.940 Where will you stop?

02:25:02.360 By stopping murderers, yes.

02:25:05.600 Everyone knows that there should be severe penalties for murder.

02:25:10.180 You're trying to sow division here.

02:25:11.860 Everyone agrees on that front.

02:25:13.320 If someone kills someone, there needs to be a strong punishment.

02:25:16.580 You're not special for proposing that.

02:25:20.240 Everyone agrees.

02:25:23.320 All right, Mr. Blanchet.

02:25:26.320 Very quickly, please.

02:25:27.320 Mr. Carney said that I voted for the new Official Languages Act bill.

02:25:32.340 The money comes from the previous bill,

02:25:33.840 and the official language minority community money comes from the bill.

02:25:42.200 I was asked to bring changes.

02:25:44.920 We brought the changes we voted for,

02:25:47.440 but we didn't want it to apply to Quebec because it harms Quebec.

02:25:50.100 Gentlemen.

02:25:53.200 You know, things didn't turn out perfectly,

02:25:57.100 but Mr. Singh, you see you got 22 minutes compared to 24, 24, 25.

02:26:02.140 Roughly equitable.

02:26:03.020 I'm sorry that I did have to cut off your mic, but I'd like to wish all four of you good luck with the rest of the campaign.

02:26:10.800 And I hope that we'll see your costed plans as soon as possible so that we can see how much all of your promises will cost.

02:26:17.660 And I hope that everyone listening tonight will be able to make an informed decision now.

02:26:23.880 Voting starts this weekend.

02:26:25.560 And the game.

02:26:26.660 And the match? I don't know.

02:26:28.940 there's still a couple of periods left all right thank you so much for being with us tonight

02:26:35.200 ladies and gentlemen that concludes this debate see you next time good night

02:26:58.940 just never end out they droned on and on and on about just pipelines and basically yeah it was

02:27:16.180 a lot then they finally moved on to immigration and instead of talking about Canada's immigration

02:27:22.160 plan. The question was framed about Donald Trump. So we heard that, well, let's see,

02:27:29.640 that Trump was terrible and that because of that, there were going to be asylum seekers coming 1.00

02:27:34.180 across the border. And the question was whether or not the leaders would accept asylum seekers

02:27:39.080 from the United States, which was just absolutely absurd way of framing it. And then we've done to

02:27:44.860 talk a lot about foreign aid. At that point, we heard that both Mark Carney and Jagmeet Singh are

02:27:50.700 strong supporters of UNRWA, which is quite surprising,

02:27:53.340 given the revelations that UNRWA was involved

02:27:55.760 in the October 7th massacre.

02:27:58.260 That is very well documented.

02:27:59.620 So that was an interesting little tidbit.

02:28:01.480 Then we went on to Canadian nationalism,

02:28:04.160 and then this whole, like, elbows-up thing,

02:28:06.640 we ended up talking back with Donald Trump again.

02:28:10.160 I said on X that if you were playing a drinking game,

02:28:13.660 and you, you know, had-

02:28:17.240 Every time they said Trump,

02:28:18.660 would be completely drunk within like five minutes of the debate because we just heard a lot

02:28:22.420 about donald trump and then the last 10 minutes um were focused on abortion um i don't really

02:28:30.020 understand why that was an issue given that all of the leaders agree which doesn't really give

02:28:34.340 canadians much choice like there's a lot of pro-life canadians there's a lot of catholic and

02:28:38.020 religious canadians and none of our views are represented by these leaders instead they're all 1.00

02:28:42.660 all trying to one-up one another over who will support abortion the most, I guess. And good for 1.00

02:28:50.160 Pierre Polyev at least to focus it on crime, because that is somewhere where they have a

02:28:54.340 distinction. And I like that policy of Pierre Polyev pledging to use the notwithstanding clause

02:28:59.160 to make mass murderers actually stay in jail for their whole lives as they should.

02:29:03.920 So, you know, as far as who wins, who won the debate? Well, Canadians certainly didn't. I'm

02:29:10.340 to put it to the chat on youtube you could tell us we put a chat up uh sorry a um um uh you can

02:29:20.900 vote up on our uh screen here we've got 350 so far um vote so go ahead and vote who do you think won

02:29:27.780 the debate i would i would probably go with the francois blanchett i thought that he had a strong

02:29:32.340 night and it will certainly wasn't carney carney came across quite weak to me and um i don't think

02:29:37.780 he did what he needed to do. It was interesting that Pierre Polyev had the most amount of time

02:29:43.700 speaking. It seemed like, you know, that's always kind of destined to happen because

02:29:47.140 he has the outlying views, right? The other parties tend to agree on most things

02:29:51.300 and the Conservatives tend to be the one that disagrees. There was some teaming up on

02:29:55.700 Mark Carney, but also plenty of teaming up from an ideological perspective on Pierre Polyev.

02:30:02.500 So David, what did you think of this debate? Who do you think won and what were your sort

02:30:06.740 of top takeaway moments uh carney lost badly i think um i have a french canadian link on that

02:30:15.700 and they said they believe that uh blanchette uh that the way it was playing in quebec from

02:30:21.460 their perspective carney lost badly um i you know if i didn't have that perspective i would still

02:30:27.700 say that uh blanchette was the winner he presented himself it's a distinctive voice it is a french

02:30:33.300 debate it's very much played around uh quebec and quebec's interests i thought that uh polyev

02:30:40.580 uh did great i thought he carried himself well he looked prime ministerial uh carney looked scared

02:30:48.660 he looked riddled he looked reactive he wasn't smiling i noticed it was odd he wasn't making

02:30:54.100 eye contact with blanchette when blanchette was speaking with him he was sort of maybe his team

02:30:58.900 and told him you know stare at the camera but some of the side views looked odd he seemed wooden and

02:31:04.100 it might be i'm sympathetic you know if i had to carry on a debate in french and didn't have the

02:31:09.860 skill set i think it could be tough i think though that he's run himself into a bigger problem we

02:31:15.940 talked before the debate about the fact that he's tended to say two different things in two different

02:31:21.380 settings and kind of hope that he can align past what that means and he was called out by very

02:31:26.340 directly by Blanchard, who made the point that he had said something in English language,

02:31:30.560 different from what he'd said in French language. But I think that Carney is going to wear some of

02:31:36.980 these issues. And I thought UNRWA is a terrible position for the Liberal Party to be in. That is

02:31:42.140 a completely Hamas-penetrated front operation. We know that for a fact now. It's disgusting 0.99

02:31:49.020 how many terrorists that they know were implicated by the October 7th events, as well as the

02:31:56.020 infrastructure run run completely controlled by hamas in the west bank the fact that canadian

02:32:01.220 tax dollars continue to go to organizations like that rather than held back by us on the premise

02:32:08.100 that there has to be release of hostages is extraordinary to me and again canada just

02:32:13.380 maintains this bizarre position on the international uh criminal court with respect to the islamist

02:32:19.700 judge going after netanyahu etc that we just were complete outliers in civil society on these issues

02:32:26.820 and i think that that's uh going to cost the carney and some very specific groups if i'm

02:32:32.980 a jewish voter in montreal or toronto right now you lost me on unra right i think they tried to

02:32:39.860 pin pauliev again pauliev's uh got to deal with his challenge with boomers and with women in

02:32:47.460 particular, and I think they were hoping to make that last dialogue around women an issue for

02:32:53.620 Pollyab, but I think you did a smart job making it about crime and security. So, bless you.

02:33:00.580 Well, and it was interesting because just, I think it was a week ago, someone in the audience at one

02:33:05.860 of his debates said that Israel's committing genocide, and he said, I know. And then tonight, 0.96

02:33:10.660 he was asked about that word because Jagmeet Singh is kind of obsessed with this idea that Israel

02:33:16.980 is committing genocide and so he was really trying to press carney on that and carney said i don't

02:33:21.700 like you using that word um which i agree with i think that that was the right thing to say we don't

02:33:26.420 just throw around the term genocide i wish his predecessors in the liberal party would have

02:33:30.420 taken that approach because remember prime minister just intrudeau said that canada is currently

02:33:34.740 committing a genocide um he said that with regards to the missing and murdered aboriginal indigenous

02:33:40.020 women file which um as we know that um sadly most of the uh women who die from that community you 1.00

02:33:50.340 know they're murdered by a partner in intimate partners like 90 so this idea that there's a

02:33:54.340 genocide happening in our country right now is absurd um i was happy that uh mark carney said no

02:33:59.220 about that um however yeah it's very interesting okay i want to give this little tidbit to the

02:34:04.260 audience we are waiting for the most exciting part i think of this debate which will be the

02:34:08.740 questions. Kian Bextie sent me a photo, and he is at the very front of the line. So when the leaders

02:34:14.220 come out, the first question will be our own Kian Bextie of Juno News. I think we have a picture.

02:34:20.440 Do we have that? Can we show it? Anyway, he's there. He said there's 20 CBC journalists behind

02:34:23.960 him, and he's number one. So we're looking forward to that, Kian, and I hope you have a good question,

02:34:28.080 man. So we're going to go back and forth between those questions, those scrums. It's going to be

02:34:32.860 happening. We've got, again, one eye on that. And so we'll just give a little bit of our reaction

02:34:37.640 from the debate. So, you know, I kind of ran through what the debate was about. We've got

02:34:43.560 a couple of clips from the debate, which, you know, I think that the first like 15, 20 minutes 0.87

02:34:50.840 of the debate was kind of silly. Like it was just totally about Trump. And, you know, they started

02:34:55.480 out by trying to say like, let's not make this whole debate about Trump. So talk about like one

02:34:59.120 thing or two things that aren't about Trump. But then everyone ended up talking about Trump a little

02:35:03.040 bit. And then the next question was, Trump, Trump, Trump. This is a good moment that Pierre

02:35:08.660 Polyev had early when most people are still probably watching. And that was when he told

02:35:13.520 Mark Carney, you know, you were Justin Trudeau's economic advisor because, you know, Mark Carney

02:35:19.700 was trying to play the whole, like, I'm an outsider kind of thing. And Pierre Polyev said,

02:35:25.560 no, you were there. I think we have that clip. Do we have that clip? If so, let's play it.

02:35:29.480 oh okay we don't have it yet um but i you know that to me the first 20 minutes david are kind

02:35:39.360 of like the thing that really counts it's when the stage is set and i don't really know that

02:35:43.580 there was a major like knockout punch moment in the debate this is as close as we got to one i

02:35:49.800 think it was a strong moment and i agree with you that carney just seemed weak he didn't present

02:35:55.960 like a strong confident person he seemed quite like easily shaken not really confidence i mean

02:36:03.280 i feel for the guy maybe it's because his french is quite not great from what i was reading um what

02:36:09.000 i was hearing i was obviously listening through the translated debate but perhaps it was because

02:36:13.700 his his french isn't that strong what do you think look i i think that the debate kudos to

02:36:20.240 the debate organizers this is one of the best debates that i've seen in that everybody got a

02:36:25.380 And there was there was a lot of divergent conversations, but it was controlled.

02:36:31.380 It had momentum.

02:36:33.380 The debate followed a track.

02:36:34.380 They got to all five key issues, but they allowed a fair amount of free form engagement.

02:36:40.380 And I don't think Carney has had much of that.

02:36:43.380 I think that almost everything he's done has been heavily scripted, heavily controlled.

02:36:48.380 I think that his engagement has been very scripted.

02:36:51.380 And this was the first time that you've sort of seen somebody able to take him out of the shadow boxing, sort of sparring in the ring moment.

02:36:59.740 And actually, he's now in an arena where he's facing people telling him he's wrong.

02:37:04.580 And I thought the engagement, particularly between Blanchett and Carney, showed Carney to have a weekend.

02:37:11.040 Absolutely.

02:37:11.840 Okay.

02:37:12.220 And then we do have other clips.

02:37:14.120 I thought that the kind of more interesting parts of the debate were later on.

02:37:18.640 there was a weird exchange where Polyev was talking about, or they were talking about housing,

02:37:23.120 which is a good issue. I wish I spent more time talking about that. But Polyev tried to, sorry,

02:37:27.800 Jagmeet Singh tried to say that Polyev didn't have a good record that he was once the housing

02:37:31.160 minister. And yet he had only built six houses. I don't know what that meant. And Polyev was like,

02:37:40.120 no, I built 200,000 homes. And Jagmeet Singh was like, no, you only built six. Like, I don't really

02:37:45.400 understand I didn't understand that that part what did you think of that well I think what's

02:37:50.920 happened you know the great thing about debates is that everybody allows their base to like publish

02:37:57.540 a fun meme or you know say something kind of snappy and it gains a life of its own even if

02:38:03.280 it's a little bit fact-free and what happens these leaders end up run down they've got almost no time

02:38:09.460 in the day to think for themselves they're out there they repeat things that have a bit of an

02:38:14.000 applause line on the hustings. And then they make the mistake of taking that into an actual debate

02:38:19.740 without actually having the fact base done. And I think Pierre was ready for that, because

02:38:23.980 that is something that I've seen both the liberals and the NDP using, and it's simply not a smart

02:38:29.540 argument. But it has played poorly, and it actually played very much into Polio's hands,

02:38:35.880 because I think that he was able to present himself as a safe pair of hands. He had a couple

02:38:41.000 moments where he was kind of laughing you know there's a bit of engagement on strawberries and

02:38:45.160 other things that you know it's sort of it's quirky but i think if you look at the dynamics

02:38:51.400 around how this election has evolved because of the proroguing he hasn't had much of a chance to

02:38:57.480 get a national platform in the way that he had had it before the proroguing and i think this in a way

02:39:05.320 humanized him now naturally i'm a partisan i'm a conservative i want him to win i want him to look

02:39:10.840 human i want him to do well but i would say even if he wasn't my guy on the stage uh i would have

02:39:17.160 thought that he did really well and i think you know i'll talk with a couple liberal friends

02:39:21.960 after we're done here and say what did you think and i think they'll be worried about carney my

02:39:26.840 guess is carney loses between two and four points on this debate alone but i think but i think he

02:39:33.800 loses a lot in quebec i think quebec will shift back to the block uh that's my my big prediction

02:39:40.920 i think it was that bad for him given what i'm hearing from from friends of mine that are in

02:39:46.040 quebec that i think are very centrist voters uh carney was wooden in in critical moments and he

02:39:52.600 was evasive particularly on the notwithstanding clause and i honestly if if i was one of his

02:39:58.200 his advisors have no idea why he chose to go technocrat on that clause when he knows what's

02:40:05.580 at stake for Quebec. And I think that, you know, his weird sort of idea that, well, you know,

02:40:11.140 Alberta and Saskatchewan, Ontario would also use this and we have to, I mean, it's just like,

02:40:14.900 of course we would, it's constitutional. And the idea that Quebec can't use it for culture and

02:40:20.500 language or that that would be controversial is crazy. Pierce was very strong on that. I think

02:40:26.320 going to strengthen his hand in Quebec. And I think that Bach is going to take votes away from

02:40:32.080 the Liberals. I think this could be the beginning of a shift. Interesting. I will say, just so the

02:40:37.840 audience knows, so 8.15 is when we're told Mark Carney is going to go. And like I said,

02:40:41.840 KMVX is first in line. So folks, this is going to be good. Get some popcorn.

02:40:50.480 So we're going to keep an eye on that. And I promise we'll go to it

02:40:53.840 as soon as possible i i obviously i have more of the conservative persuasion i think pierre

02:40:59.360 for my ears did really well like i liked what he was saying i think it's great the reason i said

02:41:03.280 that blanchette won the debate is because it's quebec like it's a french language debate so it's

02:41:07.680 for all canadians but really this was the quebec debate and i don't know how popular conservative

02:41:13.360 ideas are in quebec i'm told not very um i thought the pipeline part was interesting especially when

02:41:18.880 And Pierre Polyev said that pipelines are popular in Quebec and that people in Quebec support them, which I think is right.

02:41:26.380 I think that obviously there's the environmental crowd in Montreal, and those are the loudest and those are the people that don't want the pipeline.

02:41:32.260 Others sort of wonder what was in it for Quebec or, you know, there's risk, but there might not be a benefit.

02:41:36.960 And I think that Polyev did a pretty good job of explaining why.

02:41:42.500 So, you know, I think Polyev looked fantastic.

02:41:45.960 I didn't like the voice that they had for him.

02:41:48.800 I will say that was like a little pet peeve of mine.

02:41:52.920 I was like, oh, okay, hold on.

02:41:54.380 We have Mark Carney coming up on stage.

02:41:56.540 Okay, let's go to it.

02:41:57.240 Let's switch over to that.

02:42:15.400 with the numbers that go with them and it's not a question of cutting it's a question of

02:42:40.360 making the government more productive and we want to increase government productivity when it comes

02:42:45.080 to operational expenditure and we can have a discussion over the weekend and we have

02:42:53.720 about 10 days left in the campaign question well i understand but the debate is a good

02:43:01.960 time to be speaking to a high number of canadians compared to when you're making announces

02:43:08.200 announcements rather and now tonight you talk to us about 500 billion dollars you are planning

02:43:13.320 to invest in canadian economy where does it come from answer well it's a combination of

02:43:23.320 investments from the government of canada for instance the accelerator fund

02:43:29.560 enter in the housing area or or other initiatives and incentives in housing

02:43:37.000 will lead to more investment from the private sector and we will multiply the government

02:43:44.480 investment by 10.

02:43:46.620 So it's this approach that is necessary in this period of uncertainty at the global

02:43:56.880 level and here in Canada as well.

02:43:59.280 You have to have the courage in the political sense of the term, and as I always say, we are the masters of our own faith, and Mr. Poilier has picked up on that and is saying the same thing.

02:44:17.660 So we have the opportunity of building the strongest economy in the G7, and I have the plan to do that.

02:44:24.800 Hi, Mr. Gurney, Key and Bextie, Juno News.

02:44:27.400 In your estimation, was Justin Trudeau a good prime minister?

02:44:31.840 Yeah, Justin Trudeau and the previous administration made a number of contributions to this country.

02:44:40.160 I suspect since I have 10 minutes, I think, right, for the responses, I'm not going to enumerate them all.

02:44:46.100 I'll make one point which I think is relevant on the way looking forward,

02:44:49.940 which is, as I said the other night in an interview,

02:44:54.080 He and I, we share the same values in terms of solidarity, taking care of one another,

02:45:00.180 the emphasis on reconciliation, emphasis on equality of all Canadians,

02:45:06.300 and building a better country for everyone else.

02:45:09.180 The difference, one of the differences, there are many, but one of the differences between the two of us

02:45:13.220 goes to the question I was just asked, which is I put much more emphasis on the economy,

02:45:17.900 on growing the economy.

02:45:19.100 In fact, in this circumstance that we're in, given the scale of the crisis and what needs to be done, I would say a relentless focus on growing the economy to work for all Canadians.

02:45:29.520 Just to follow up, if I may, your entire campaign does seem to be predicated on putting you in the front and hiding the people that stood in lockstep with Justin Trudeau for the last 10 years.

02:45:39.860 You're kind of hoping that Canadians won't connect the dots that the people standing behind you in your caucus walked in lockstep with them.

02:45:45.960 And regardless of what you say right now, Stephen Gobeau made the carbon taxes life work.

02:45:50.300 The man that moved Paul Bernardo from a maximum security prison is now your chief of staff.

02:45:55.320 I'm wondering how you reconcile this and how you can trust their judgment when they thought those ideas were good ideas.

02:46:00.280 I'd say a couple of things to that rather odd question.

02:46:03.760 First is that the candidates in this election for the Liberal Party, I mean, you go and see when I make an announcement.

02:46:11.900 I don't think I've seen you at any of them, but next time you can come.

02:46:14.820 And you will see a wide range of the candidates that are there presenting themselves.

02:46:21.080 So, for example, with respect to our announcement on crime, we had Bill Blair, now the Minister of Defence, of course, formerly the Chief of Police in a long time in Toronto.

02:46:32.280 and Natalie Provo, who is a new candidate, we're honored to have her, and someone who's dedicated

02:46:40.860 their life to helping to end gun violence and violence against women. There is a very wide

02:46:46.680 range of candidates that have come to the party with me. There's a lot of fresh blood. There's

02:46:52.120 also a lot of experience that's there, and you need that combination of energy, new ideas,

02:46:56.840 experience and and a fundamental passion for making this country better uh in order to serve

02:47:04.200 at this crucial time thank you very much question question you said during the debate that you want

02:47:15.240 to introduce a cap on immigration in all categories mr trudeau had already taken steps to reduce

02:47:25.080 annual numbers in terms of immigration answer while my thinking is more in line in terms of

02:47:35.160 keeping the levels where they are currently for a long period of time and in the meantime

02:47:45.960 increasing our capacity of welcoming if i made the various people measures or levels of uh the

02:47:52.520 different classes of immigration as roughly as they are today so it's not a as the question was

02:47:58.280 a further reduction but we probably are going to need them to keep them at those levels for longer

02:48:04.040 until we have built up our capacity to uh to welcome which means housing language formation

02:48:09.480 other factors question you said that you wanted to increase oil production and that you're open

02:48:19.800 to pipeline projects from west to east while it can take years to build a pipeline how

02:48:28.120 are you going to present this as a way for canada to be more independent than the us if it takes

02:48:33.960 years to build answer i mean there are different aspects of this question if our relationship with

02:48:47.160 the us is being is there's an upheaval in that relationship and it is the case

02:48:54.360 as you said this reflects on the medium term and secondly

02:48:59.400 in canada we have this option and that will only strengthen our hand in the negotiations with the

02:49:08.280 president of the u.s and that is useful right now keep the answers and questions very short please

02:49:14.120 absolutely alex sultan with true north uh if you thought my friend's question was odd you're

02:49:17.960 going to love this one i'm glad you self self-assess that okay how many genders are there 0.79

02:49:23.480 In terms of sex, there are two. Thank you.

02:49:29.240 My follow-up question then, do you believe that women, biological women, have the right to their 1.00

02:49:35.400 own spaces? Their own sports, their own change rooms, their own prisons, their own homeless

02:49:41.160 shelters? I think we, this is Canada, and that as a general objective, yes.

02:49:50.680 we but we work in where we value all Canadians for who they are and we'll

02:50:01.180 continue to do so thank you very much thank you Missy oh okay so we got two

02:50:13.120 questions to Mr. Carney and interesting. I think that Kian Bexy's question really caught him off

02:50:22.500 guard and he didn't quite know what to say about Justin Trudeau because, I mean, I don't think he

02:50:30.620 was expecting that question at all. And as far as Alex Sultans, I mean, again, wow, really caught

02:50:36.760 him off guard uh david can you can you hear me what did you think of that yeah i i thought

02:50:42.580 those guys sean you know we need more of that in canadian media we've got um those are those

02:50:50.880 are the questions that people are actually asking around their dinner table that's what people talk

02:50:56.560 about right now people actually have a huge debate around what's happening with this trans madness 1.00

02:51:02.160 The high court in the UK has just determined women are biological.

02:51:06.160 That happened yesterday, right?

02:51:08.160 There's been enormous debate around this issue.

02:51:11.160 People are tired of seeing little girls hurt by men in sports that have different biology. 0.93

02:51:17.160 And, you know, the guys have just put their finger on it.

02:51:20.160 And I love Alex Hilton's self-deprecating way of setting up this question saying, you know, I know that you may not appreciate the question or you might find it crazy.

02:51:29.160 kind of crazy, but that's that's where people live their life.

02:51:32.520 And I think one of the things people forget about elections is that they pivot not just

02:51:36.760 on the they pivot on hearts and minds and the minds issues are the economy, trade, how

02:51:42.480 you manage Trump, immigration, you know, the issues of cost of living, et cetera.

02:51:48.180 But the hard issues are the issues where people look at what's happening around them and they

02:51:52.500 decide, can my can my wife or girlfriend walk through the street to meet me at a restaurant 0.99

02:51:58.340 tonight or is that just too dangerous is this is are the streets just not walkable like they are

02:52:03.300 in so many other countries right and uh can my kid go to school without being told that he might

02:52:09.480 have been born in the wrong body and that there's some kind of surgical process for dealing with

02:52:15.340 gender dysphoria rather than being encouraged to connect with his parents and connect to people 0.95

02:52:20.560 that can help him through that process those are the things that actually really move people

02:52:24.800 because they're asking a simple question is this the country that i want my kids to inherit

02:52:29.720 right and and on the economy stuff you don't want your kids to inherit all kinds of debt

02:52:34.620 that the boomer grandparents are going to pass on to them but on the on the cultural stuff that's

02:52:39.760 the thing that really actually moves people that's the stuff that keeps people up at night

02:52:43.620 and i think it's interesting too because those were the questions that we didn't get in the

02:52:47.520 debate right like kian's question was put him on the spot about justin trudeau right this remember

02:52:52.560 this happened with Kamala Harris. She was on The View. It was like a safe interview during the

02:52:57.060 2024 U.S. election. And she was just asked, like, what would you do differently than Biden? And she

02:53:01.560 didn't have a good answer. She stuttered. She said, I think we just saw something quite similar

02:53:05.880 to that with Mark Carney, because he it's like he wasn't prepped for that question. Right. And so

02:53:12.720 he just gave his honest answer, which was I love Justin Trudeau. I believe everything that he does.

02:53:17.580 We have the same vision of Canada, which has Jordan Peterson laid out very well in his video

02:53:21.840 critique of Mark Carney. Their vision of Canada and their values are not Canadian values.

02:53:26.800 Question on French, please.

02:53:30.080 You have been an MP for the last six years. Now you are entitled to retirement. Before that,

02:53:40.640 you were a provincial MP. In other words, the majority of your career has been at the expense

02:53:46.560 of taxpayers but you chose to boycott conservatives and right-leaning media such as ours

02:53:53.840 and you supported Justin Trudeau's bill that aimed to censor the internet so why do you think

02:54:02.560 that it's ethically acceptable to marginalize conservatives and refuse to treat them with

02:54:09.440 respect answer i do not answer questions from rebel news because it's an is it's a organization

02:54:17.280 that spreads disinformation so i'm not going to answer your question but i will take the time to

02:54:22.000 say that what's key in this election for me is this question of who's going to fight for you

02:54:28.400 and who's going to defend what's important for you health care for instance who's going to defend

02:54:35.760 the interests of everyday canadians and not just ceos and we have major companies who are scamming

02:54:45.120 people question you are banned from indian indian territory for your policies but here in canada

02:54:57.920 you support censorship and words that you think are unacceptable especially through censorship

02:55:05.280 online and you actually refuse to answer questions from journalists with whom you do not agree

02:55:10.880 as you have just done so you should be punished in one way or another is the impression that leaves

02:55:19.520 so how are you different than people who would put you in prison answer that is another example

02:55:26.560 of why i do not answer questions from rebel news because you are spreading this information and

02:55:31.440 your question is an example of this good evening mr singh you really wanted english i could do it

02:55:37.760 if you want no you're just joking uh kate mckenna from cbc news your party and the other parties

02:55:43.680 haven't released costed platforms how can you how can we have an honest debate about your promises

02:55:49.600 when voters can't see how you'll pay for them we're the only party that has actually laid out

02:55:54.800 clear examples of how we would raise money we talked about ending offshore tax havens

02:56:00.080 enforcing the Canada Revenue Agency to get the money that we're owed.

02:56:04.240 There's billions and billions, tens of billions of dollars that we're owed

02:56:07.760 that we're not receiving because of a lack of enforcement.

02:56:10.000 So we've laid out clear ways that we would increase revenue.

02:56:14.400 We've also talked about things that we would cut.

02:56:16.160 We would cut offshore tax havens, but we'd also cut fossil fuel subsidies

02:56:20.800 and private consultants and instead rely on our civil servants.

02:56:24.240 So we've laid out some of the real ways that we would do that,

02:56:26.640 whereas the Conservatives are very clear what they're going to do.

02:56:29.200 they're going to cut the services that people need. They've laid that out. And we've also seen

02:56:33.860 that, sadly, Mr. Carney has also talked about cutting services. And his plan to balance the

02:56:40.220 operating budget in three years would mean $43 billion in cuts. And so if you want someone

02:56:45.380 that's going to stand up and fight back against those cuts, hold the Liberals to account,

02:56:49.280 need to send new Democrats to Ottawa like you did before, and we're able to deliver dental care

02:56:53.380 and pharma care, send more new Democrats again to Ottawa, and we will fight back against these cuts.

02:56:58.460 You spoke the least this evening of all of the leaders.

02:57:01.340 I'm wondering how you feel about how you did tonight,

02:57:03.780 whether you were able to communicate your message to French-speaking Canadians.

02:57:07.720 Well, ultimately, the difference wasn't as big, but initially I was worried about it.

02:57:11.220 But I'm really proud that I was able to make the case to Canadians,

02:57:14.860 to Quebecers or French-speaking Canadians,

02:57:17.520 that what New Democrats are going to do is stand up for what matters most to you.

02:57:21.360 I made it a point to stand up for health care

02:57:23.520 because it is so fundamental to who we are as a country.

02:57:27.000 we fundamentally believe that we should take care of each other and healthcare represents that value

02:57:31.780 so I raised that I talked about how we can make life more affordable by by putting a price cap on

02:57:37.300 essential food items like other countries have done I talked about how we can stop big corporations

02:57:42.880 corporate landlords from buying up affordable homes I laid out how we would take the GST off

02:57:47.900 of your monthly bills like cell phone and internet and give people a real break and so in this

02:57:53.640 difficult time the question in this election is who's going to actually fight for you not the

02:57:58.280 billionaires and sending more new democrats to auto voting for us is how you have someone on

02:58:02.680 your side fighting for you question question you spoke about equal treatment from the moderator why

02:58:17.960 Why didn't you go after moderator in the debate answer?

02:58:21.060 Well, I was very passionate at that point in time,

02:58:25.080 but I spoke to Mr. Roy afterwards.

02:58:28.720 There's no issue.

02:58:29.980 I just wanted to talk about health care services,

02:58:33.320 something that saved my father's life

02:58:35.460 and something I used when I was studying law.

02:58:37.600 So I think it's fundamental that we defend health care

02:58:41.340 and health care services.

02:58:42.400 It's very personal to me.

02:58:43.500 So I'm very passionate about that.

02:58:45.760 And I had the opportunity of sharing to what extent it's important because we're faced with a crisis and it's a crisis that we can fix.

02:58:53.060 And I think people in Quebec, people across the country now know how important that is for me and how I can defend something that's key for me.

02:59:03.800 Question.

02:59:04.740 In the debate, you accused Pierre Paulievre of wanting to privatize health care.

02:59:09.320 What evidence do you have?

02:59:11.340 Answer.

02:59:11.680 Well, first of all, he proposes to make cuts in healthcare and in the programs that we

02:59:18.000 need so much.

02:59:19.680 And just like all other conservatives, when you look at their record, in every province

02:59:26.800 where you have conservatives who are allies of Pierre Collier, such as Daniel Smith,

02:59:32.840 for instance, Daniel Smith is in the process of massively privatizing the healthcare system

02:59:39.300 in alberta and she is she is allowing private companies to take up space in healthcare so

02:59:53.300 that is one thing they do and mr poilier is continuing the same tradition so he's proposing

02:59:59.060 massive cuts in healthcare and these cuts will accelerate privatization hello mr singh

03:00:06.660 Drea Humphrey with Rebel News.

03:00:08.840 Your party takes great pride in standing against hate,

03:00:11.720 such as white supremacy, Islamophobia, and online...

03:00:14.100 Sorry, I didn't get your outlet.

03:00:16.300 Drea Humphrey with Rebel News.

03:00:17.740 Okay.

03:00:18.980 You know where I'm going to go with this, though, right?

03:00:21.640 Can I speak?

03:00:22.560 Yeah, you can.

03:00:23.100 I'm just going to say you know where I'm going to go with it, though.

03:00:25.080 Your party takes pride in standing against hate,

03:00:27.780 such as white supremacy, Islamophobia, and online hate speech.

03:00:31.920 Yet you stay silent about ongoing attacks against Christians,

03:00:35.520 even after Conservative MP Jamil Javani's order paper question revealed that over 200 churches

03:00:41.960 have been targeted by arson and vandalism since claims of remains being discovered at former

03:00:47.900 residential schools swept the nation in 2021. These claims have been disproven by bands that

03:00:54.460 excavated and remain unproven by those that have not. Will you condemn the rise in acts of hate

03:01:01.800 against Christians today and explain what your party will do moving forward to keep Christians 0.75

03:01:07.900 safe from hate in Canada. Again, thank you, but I'm not going to respond to an organization that

03:01:13.540 promotes misinformation and disinformation like Rebel News, so no, I'm not going to respond to

03:01:18.060 your question. Please keep the questions and answers short. We're just getting up to the time.

03:01:23.200 Perhaps you didn't hear me. Over 200 Christian places of worship have been attacked in Canada

03:01:28.980 since 2021 many served first nations communities many were historic and they diverted police and

03:01:38.180 resources and put others at risk what do you say to canadians who see your refusal to answer

03:01:43.860 especially from one of the few media outlets here that are not funded by the state as proof

03:01:49.220 that a vote for you is a vote for a dangerous radical party that gaslights the public into

03:01:54.820 thinking it stands against hate when its silence is instead emboldening christophobia your question

03:02:02.020 is another example of why i don't respond to agencies like rebel news that promote misinformation

03:02:07.060 and disinformation question in french question for what outlet

03:02:21.060 converse it's an independent outlet in montreal many organizations including amnesty international

03:02:31.780 think that canada should withdraw from the third safe country agreement and the u.s supreme court

03:02:38.420 considers that the trump administration has taken illegal steps in this area so do you plan

03:02:46.420 to withdraw canada from this agreement on safe third country's answer while i'm faced with a

03:02:54.660 conundrum here because i don't quite know okay there's another journalist that i trust here so

03:03:02.900 i will answer your question i think it's a question about being compassion compassionate

03:03:09.780 if there are people in situations of crises and people are crossing the border because they are

03:03:15.860 afraid about what might happen to them in the u.s then we have to be compassionate towards them

03:03:21.700 i think the federal government hasn't been funding or providing the necessary resources

03:03:30.740 to help welcome people who are crossing the border illegally i've said in the past

03:03:39.860 that we need to suspend the safe third safe country agreement because we are aware of what's

03:03:47.940 happening in the us with donald trump and he's violating people's rights and there is when there

03:03:56.340 is a decision of the supreme court for instance he completely ignores it and puts people in danger

03:04:01.380 so we have to be compassionate and i maintain my position about suspending the agreement this was

03:04:08.340 the last question well Jagmeet Singh just completely embarrassed himself there right so you had

03:04:18.340 two women asking very good questions very interesting well researched well thought

03:04:24.260 out questions and he just has this weird he has this weird policy where it's just like i refuse

03:04:30.180 to talk to you it makes it look very small and petty i want to go back though to mark carney

03:04:35.860 because I can see on social media, the sort of usual voices in legacy media, people like Andrew

03:04:40.220 Coyne are very bothered by the fact that True North and Juno News were able to ask questions.

03:04:45.480 Well, guess what, Andrew Coyne? This is a free country. This is a democracy. And yes,

03:04:50.000 we have independent media. Our questions are different than the legacy media. And that is by

03:04:54.220 design, right? You ask the same boring questions that were already covered in the debate. Every

03:04:58.740 legacy media question is just rehashing something that we already heard about over the last two

03:05:02.660 hours. True North, Juno News, and The Rebel have different questions. We cover a different

03:05:07.600 perspective. We represent a different subset of Canadians. And the fact that Mark Kearney could

03:05:12.220 not answer our questions, right? He stumbled and bumbled his way through Keynes' response.

03:05:15.800 He couldn't decide whether he wanted to differentiate himself from Justin Trudeau.

03:05:20.140 The first 20 seconds of his response was absolutely brutal. And it wasn't until later

03:05:25.080 that he got up. And on genders, he didn't actually provide a good question, a good answer.

03:05:29.100 But the fact that he was stumbling and bumbling, again, show that he was caught off guard, which is good.

03:05:33.860 That's what you want of your leaders. That's the point of journalists.

03:05:35.740 Okay, Pierre Pauly-Everdon.

03:05:36.820 The French language outside of Quebec, are you talking about expanding, and you talk about expanding access to immersion.

03:05:42.740 But what do you think about hundreds of Francophone children who don't have a place for themselves in schools

03:05:48.300 because we are not building a sufficient number of Francophone schools outside of Quebec?

03:05:52.660 So will you support the construction of schools?

03:05:55.380 Answer. Thank you. This is a very good question.

03:05:59.820 i had the opportunity of going to a french immersion school where my father also taught

03:06:10.300 so this is something that is very important to me and i know that there's a lot of demand

03:06:16.300 but at the end of the day it's a provincial area of competence so it's up to them to decide what

03:06:25.900 schools are going to be built in what communities but i'm open to fully collaborate collaborating

03:06:32.540 with the provinces to make sure that more spaces are available but what i had in mind actually is

03:06:39.580 about an announcement we already shared on immersion opportunities which would allow

03:06:45.420 young adolescents to go to quebec to sagney and to other places where there is a high concentration

03:06:53.100 of uh french where they would only have the option of speaking french they would do that for five

03:06:59.500 weeks when i had when i was about 20 years old i had the opportunity to do something along those

03:07:05.900 lines and we would double such programs to allow young francophones to go to quebec and to take 0.99

03:07:13.100 part in these immersion programs so that they speak the french language better thank you question

03:07:19.100 francophone immigration outside of quebec mr carney announced their target going from 10 to 12

03:07:28.460 what's your objective what's your target answer i think it's a reasonable level i agree with him

03:07:36.300 on that and our party has already announced that we are in favor of increasing the number of

03:07:43.340 francophone immigrants who are who come to canada but who end up settling outside of quebec

03:07:50.380 so that we can add to the demographic weight and strengthen the french language so we will

03:07:56.620 work hand in hand with the different communities to increase the number of francophones who are

03:08:02.380 coming to canada to make it their country thank you sheila gun reed for rebel news yes we've seen

03:08:09.420 the NDP tonight refused to take questions from independent journalists. The Liberals have gone

03:08:14.360 one step further. The Carney campaign has called the police on independent journalists. Trudeau

03:08:19.000 before that brought in C-18, C-11. The Liberals are promising a revamped version of the Online

03:08:25.620 Harms Act. What would a Conservative government do to ensure the independence of the press

03:08:31.340 and protect Canadians' right to have access to information and hold their politicians to account?

03:08:37.860 We are the only party that's willing to protect freedom of the press, of all the media, and we will also repeal C11, the censorship law.

03:08:48.760 We will remove the censorship of Canadian news on web platforms like Facebook and Instagram, and we will fight back against any kind of Orwellian online censorship law like the one that the previous Liberal government instituted.

03:09:13.020 it was designed to create the possibility of preemptive arrests of people where you could

03:09:22.180 be arrested if you were suspected of sometime in the future planning to say something harmful

03:09:29.820 online you could be under a peace bond I mean that is it really is Orwellian and I note that

03:09:36.520 many people across the spectrum have spoken out against this censorship even someone like Margaret

03:09:42.780 Atwood, not known to be a conservative, has said that this kind of censorship is not only bad for

03:09:49.140 democracy, but inhibits artistic expression. So I stand for free speech, and we will respect the

03:09:56.320 right of Canadians to have access to the media that they choose. My follow-up, Canada's suffering 0.65

03:10:05.240 the most violent anti-Semitic crime wave in history. Yes. There have been shootings, fire

03:10:10.620 bombings, even a riot right here in Montreal. But not all of this anti-Semitic hatred and

03:10:16.540 incitement rises to the high level of a criminal co-defense. Do you believe that foreign nationals, 0.72

03:10:22.700 that is people who are not Canadian citizens, should be deported for participating in these 1.00

03:10:28.360 hate marches or other pro-Hamas activities that don't rise to the level of a crime?

03:10:33.500 Well, what I have said is when there is a crime involved, including crimes of vandalism, that visitors to Canada should be deported.

03:10:45.680 You simply can't come here and firebomb a Jewish bakery or someone's home or smash windows out of a political riot and expect to stay in this country if you are on a visitor visa.

03:10:58.980 We will be bringing in tougher laws to penalize those who are permanent residents and citizens who break laws and harm our communities. 1.00

03:11:08.380 But look, this is the disintegration we have witnessed after the lost liberal decade.

03:11:15.720 Everybody is divided. This group is divided against that group. There is crime and chaos in our streets.

03:11:22.800 The Liberals have promoted this division by saying one thing to one group

03:11:27.100 and then exactly the opposite to a different group.

03:11:31.980 We had a tradition in this country before this government

03:11:35.400 where you could come from conflict-ridden places in the world

03:11:39.320 and you would leave the fight behind.

03:11:43.100 You might have a debate about the politics of that place

03:11:46.020 when you sat down in a coffee shop in Montreal or Toronto,

03:11:49.240 but it never overflowed into street violence we need to get back to that you should know we welcome

03:11:55.700 people this country sure bring your culture bring your traditions bring your family but do not bring

03:12:02.960 foreign conflicts onto our streets we want we're going to have peaceful streets again and we're

03:12:08.260 going to be united we should put all of us should consider ourselves canadian first and put foreign 0.98

03:12:14.640 divisions behind us thank you for taking my question thank you please keep your questions

03:12:20.400 and answers short thank you christopher curtis the rover uh mr parliev uh question mr parliev

03:12:29.120 jagmeet singh referred to what's happening in gaza and said that it's a genocide i understand that

03:12:34.720 that's not your opinion but the government of israel is talking about emptying gaza of palestinians 1.00

03:12:42.560 So can you at least call that ethnic cleansing?

03:12:48.680 Do you have, can you even criticize Israel?

03:12:52.100 Answer, we of course can criticize anyone.

03:12:56.080 But let us not forget that Hamas attacked Israel without provocation, 0.87

03:13:01.240 with the sole purpose of killing and violating Israel 0.98

03:13:12.300 and the highest number of civilians possible.

03:13:18.100 So this was an invasion by Hamas, which was not provoked. 0.51

03:13:24.100 And unfortunately, there's a lot of suffering among Palestinians,

03:13:28.500 but the the blame is belongs to Hamas they are doing everything they can to 0.82

03:13:38.460 extend the conflict so I reject the approach adopted by mr. Singh we will

03:13:47.400 remain allies and fight against terrorism question well bombs have been

03:13:56.340 dropped on every university in gaza there is no longer a functional hospital and people

03:14:01.460 need everything so can you criticize israel at the very least for what they have done

03:14:13.940 answer well in a situation where you have a terrorist group who crosses a border

03:14:20.180 to deliberately target children, women, and civilians,

03:14:28.000 a country has no choice but to defend itself.

03:14:33.660 Now, should that country take every measure

03:14:38.300 to avoid other civilian tragedies?

03:14:42.120 Absolutely.

03:14:42.700 Absolutely. But Hamas wants to maximize the number of Palestinians who end up dying.

03:14:56.460 So that is their objective. They're maximizing the sufferance of the Palestinian people. 1.00

03:15:03.580 Thank you very much. Thanks, everyone.

03:15:07.420 okay david i know you have to jump off in a few minutes i'm going to try to get

03:15:14.020 kian bexty to jump on but uh i just want to inform the audience of the total meltdown that

03:15:21.480 is happening online and on the cbc uh i don't think we're able to clip and show but uh rosemary

03:15:27.220 barton uh on the cbc was very up in arms with the fact that true north asked that question

03:15:33.200 and we're seeing a meltdown um so david what do you think i think it's fantastic i honestly

03:15:40.240 this debate and these questions are renewing my sense of a civic culture of debate and open

03:15:48.640 discussion in canada it's exactly what canadians need and want there's just far too much that

03:15:54.640 happens in the country that hasn't been addressed i didn't know i you know and i consider myself

03:15:59.760 well-informed i didn't know that 200 churches have been vandalized or burned i didn't know it was

03:16:04.560 that extreme and to watch we track it you can go to arson tracker um arson what is the url anyway

03:16:10.880 if you go to juneau news we have a tab and cosmic georgia has been tracking it for the last three

03:16:15.440 years and his report has like it's like the most viewed thing ever on true north it's got like

03:16:22.400 tens of millions of views and it's featured on like cnn and all just like we were the ones doing

03:16:27.120 that but yeah i mean go ahead look i just think around the dinner table if the purpose of debate

03:16:34.000 in in a civil society is to force people to have hard conversations about what kind of culture

03:16:39.440 they want to live in what kind of society they want to live in the issues that were raised by

03:16:43.520 independent media are far closer to the conversations people are going to have around

03:16:47.360 their dinner table tonight and i think that uh i expect the mainstream media to melt down because

03:16:53.760 as their grit is loosened even in a moment like this basic questions about transgenderism basic

03:17:00.320 questions about a double standard when it comes to racism or the protection of christians versus

03:17:05.760 islamophobia which is a sort of pet this sort of uh commentary from the left you know the

03:17:13.120 those notions are the things that people care about talk about and want their country to reflect

03:17:18.160 and i think that the fact that they've been raised is fantastic i expect to see a meltdown

03:17:23.280 by mainstream media because they're losing power and part of the reason they're losing power is

03:17:28.160 because they're not asking some of those hard questions they're not challenging this bizarre

03:17:33.120 lack of evidence around the residential school issues they're not challenging the fact that

03:17:37.680 these churches are being burnt down and they're not challenging the double standards of some of

03:17:41.200 these political leaders jagmeet singh did himself probably the biggest disservice i've ever seen a

03:17:46.640 politician do to himself in the way that he reacted to the two women i think it was lavoie

03:17:51.600 and then uh the other andre drea yeah yeah and i just think his his contempt for the importance of

03:18:00.480 those questions he had the right to say look typically i don't respond to the rebel news

03:18:04.480 because i don't like the you know the way they they cut questions i think it's misinformation

03:18:09.440 you raise an important point here's here's the way i would respond to it there were graceful

03:18:14.160 ways to accept the premise of the question, respond to it without, and while still making

03:18:20.480 the point that he wanted to make that Rebel News wasn't his favorite outlet. But he showed himself

03:18:25.240 to be intellectually insecure and actually not a leader, not in this country, not respectful

03:18:30.380 enough of people and the questions they had to ask. So I loved it. So far, terrific, terrific

03:18:36.680 debate. I think Pierre is the winner coming out of this. Yeah, I agree. And I thought that he had

03:18:41.860 a great answer for Sheila Gunn-Reed, who had a great question as well. And I love the fact

03:18:46.120 that independent media are allowed. Because interestingly, when Mark Carney was answering

03:18:50.920 Kian Bexley's question, right? So I thought it was going to be number one. There's two lineups,

03:18:55.140 right? The way it works is there's two lineups and two mics, and we don't know which one's going

03:18:58.220 to go. So he was at the front of one lineup. The one was on the front of the other. So he got to

03:19:02.000 answer the question. Mark Carney clearly didn't know who he was. And so he answered, and he

03:19:06.640 actually, you know, I seemed to think that it was a good question because he said, I don't recognize

03:19:10.080 you you haven't been at my other press conferences and he kind of gave him a little invitation i'll

03:19:14.000 have to go back and watch exactly what he said but he basically invited kian to come back to

03:19:18.400 future press conferences which is interesting because obviously it's his people that are

03:19:22.400 blocking independent journalists from coming and so the media get up in arms about the fact that

03:19:26.960 we are able oh we've got kian here so let's go to him question kian uh tell us tell us uh what's

03:19:34.000 what's happening in Montreal. Hey, I'm just standing outside of the venue. The CBC is running

03:19:39.860 this operation. So they have banned us from actually reporting inside the venue, which is

03:19:45.880 really frustrating. So we're standing outside with no equipment calling into the show.

03:19:51.600 What's interesting, though, is if you look over my shoulder right here,

03:19:55.520 in these tents, you have Rosemary Barton right now, absolutely seething that so many conservative or 1.00

03:20:02.200 or independent journalists even, I mean, a lot of these people weren't really observable.

03:20:06.980 We'll get out of the wind here because it's quite windy here.

03:20:09.640 A lot of these independent journalists asked great questions, really, really thoughtful questions from Rebel News as well.

03:20:16.320 Drea, Sheila, they asked some of the most topical questions of the night, including Alex from True North,

03:20:21.840 who actually, you know, it's one of those classic gotcha questions.

03:20:25.940 How many genders are there? 1.00

03:20:27.100 but then he followed it up with a really, really substantive question about what's happening to

03:20:32.300 women in women's sports, in women's prisons even. So I think that if we didn't have independent 1.00

03:20:38.860 media here, we would have lost a lot. You know, I asked Mark Carney a pretty clear question about

03:20:43.860 the people that are standing behind him and how they're virtually identical to Justin Trudeau's

03:20:49.000 legion of liberals and how he can sort of stand behind that and defend their ideology, their

03:20:54.740 ideas and beliefs and sort of pretend like he's changed Stephen Gilboa's mind on carbon taxes,

03:21:00.480 which he obviously hasn't. Someone who climbs the CN Tower to protest in favor of locking down

03:21:06.960 the country to stop climate change is not someone who just changes their mind because there's a new

03:21:12.320 leader in town. I'm sure maybe cynically to grab more power and to consolidate that and to secure

03:21:18.200 another four years. But in the second year of their term, you know exactly what's going to

03:21:22.920 happen. In fact, I can't remember the name of the specific liberal. There was an Ontario liberal

03:21:27.280 candidate that just said today that she couldn't promise that the carbon tax wouldn't come back 0.88

03:21:32.720 in the next term, that this wasn't the end of the carbon tax. It was just a pause, which is

03:21:36.920 absolutely outrageous, but pretty obvious if you come to think about it, that leopards don't really

03:21:41.380 change their stripes, even though Mark Carney is trying to pretend like they're a different band of

03:21:46.860 politicians than Justin Trudeau had following him around as he destroyed the country. It's the same

03:21:52.480 people, the same problems, the same policies that destroyed this country. Well, maybe you can

03:21:57.980 remember a bit better than I did, but it seemed like Mark Kearney invited you to come back to

03:22:02.040 future press conferences. Did you catch him say something like that? Yeah, he said something along

03:22:07.460 the lines of that. I'm definitely going to keep trying. But of course, yeah, that was the one

03:22:11.600 takeaway was that he said he hasn't seen me around much, which is a little bit surprising

03:22:15.900 because he called the police on me at his campaign launch,

03:22:19.660 which is just, you know, people, Canadians understand what he's doing.

03:22:23.180 He's gaslighting. He is a gaslighter.

03:22:25.560 You know, I was going to ask him a question about Jelaine Maxwell

03:22:28.620 and how friendly he is.

03:22:30.620 You know, I sent Jelaine a letter in prison, actually,

03:22:33.020 to talk to her about Mark Carney's weird, strange history with her,

03:22:37.320 where they end up rolling around in the grass together in London

03:22:40.080 and spending a lot of time together.

03:22:42.060 I thought I'll take it easy on Mark, but he treated me quite poorly.

03:22:45.900 You know, I asked him a pretty fair question. Was Justin Trudeau a good prime minister? That's something that Pierre Polyev would be able to answer pretty clearly about Stephen Harper. But Mark Carney just waffled in a lot of ums, a lot of ahs. And he didn't really have an answer to the question, which I thought was pretty fair, given my history of some pointed questions that I usually ask politicians. I gave it to him easy.

03:23:08.180 And then the follow-up was a little bit harder, of course, but I had to be the way he was treating me.

03:23:12.400 I think that it's fair that we sort of, we sting him a bit with some questions that the CBC would never ask.

03:23:18.120 Well, exactly, right?

03:23:19.240 So when the legacy media showed up to the mic after the debates, they asked the same questions that we had already covered in the debates, right?

03:23:25.740 The debates talked a lot about the costing of the platforms, a lot about the environment, like they covered immigration.

03:23:31.620 And yet they just asked the same questions, whereas it was the independent press.

03:23:36.000 I love the fact that there were such an array of voices.

03:23:38.860 There were a couple of independent outlets that I had never heard of before asking questions.

03:23:42.680 I don't think that they were all conservative.

03:23:44.140 I think a couple of them were French language.

03:23:46.360 A couple of them were probably even on the left.

03:23:48.540 And that's fantastic.

03:23:49.880 And it's just so interesting to see the media melting down.

03:23:52.460 I know it's quite cold for you, Kian, so I don't want to keep you too much longer. 1.00

03:23:57.660 But, you know, any sort of final takeaway thoughts you want to share with the audience here?

03:24:03.420 Oh, it looks like we might have lost.

03:24:04.680 I think that the real debate, I hope you can hear me, the real debate is going to be tomorrow.

03:24:09.260 I always find it so funny that we pretend to be a bilingual country.

03:24:14.640 It's only really a bilingual country here in Quebec.

03:24:16.900 It's the only people that really care about tonight's debate.

03:24:19.460 Of course, there's people in the bubble like you and I and our viewers who care deeply about politics in the state of the country.

03:24:25.520 But most people in Vancouver are not tuning in tonight.

03:24:28.620 So tomorrow it's going to be big.

03:24:30.360 We're going to be making sure to ask some pretty tough questions tomorrow as well.

03:24:34.040 uh it's i guess we'll just uh we'll have to see what happens in that debate pierre was obviously

03:24:39.440 quite feisty today i think i i haven't watched the show yet that that you guys have been hosting

03:24:45.000 here today uh so i don't know what your thoughts were on it but i thought that pierre did pretty

03:24:49.420 well you know bias aside obviously i think conservatives perform better than liberals on

03:24:53.440 an average day but i think he did really well i think mark carney really failed from the french

03:24:57.800 people that i spoke with and from the translators that were really struggling to keep up i don't

03:25:02.120 really resonated with the French language that his campaign thought or at least hoped that he would.

03:25:09.120 But, you know, I'm willing to be persuaded one way or the other.

03:25:12.120 That's just my initial thoughts from what I saw.

03:25:15.120 Yeah, I think we tend to agree.

03:25:17.120 I think that Pierre held the zone.

03:25:18.120 And from my perspective, what he was saying was completely right other than the last bit on abortion.

03:25:23.120 But everything else I was right there for.

03:25:25.120 I think for the French audience, though, I thought that Yves Francois Blanchet did really well

03:25:31.120 did really well and our audience poll on youtube said that pierre poly of like wiped the floor i

03:25:35.280 think you got 90. david i know you have to jump off um so did you want to make any final uh

03:25:40.640 statements before we wrap it up here well first first again you know way to go this is what

03:25:46.320 canadians have been looking for this is you do so much hard work just to get yourself into the lineup

03:25:52.960 i don't know what tricks you had to pull to do that but i know there's a back story and i'd love

03:25:57.040 to hear about it but you know as a canadian that thinks that there's a lot to play for a lot to

03:26:03.360 fight for a lot to talk about in this country seeing you get up there and ask that question

03:26:10.000 and make the point just so encouraging this is what the nation needs more of of course rosemary

03:26:15.760 barton and andrew coin and others that have had these legacy positions they're boring they're

03:26:20.160 largely unwatched and and it's this that creates vibrancy but it also creates what we're talking

03:26:26.240 about before this is what people really want to talk about around the kitchen table there's a lot

03:26:31.760 of people that feel like they're losing their country as they see churches burn and police

03:26:35.680 disinterested in finding out who did it there's a lot of people that think that the scandal of

03:26:40.960 this academic fraud that blamed the churches for uh you know missing persons and residential stuff

03:26:47.680 that has never been called out and is actually being treated as hate speech in some quarters

03:26:52.080 is just wrong it's a violation of kind of ethics transgenderism is something we have to debate 0.93

03:26:56.800 all of those things are verboten for people like rosemary barton and andrew coin but they're what

03:27:01.280 everybody actually cares about in the country and wants to talk about because this is the country

03:27:06.160 their kids are going to inherit and and i so kudos to you to get to the front of the line

03:27:12.080 and i just couldn't be happier to see that debate i thought the debate was excellent

03:27:16.400 it was free form i thought i thought the host did a great job of allowing people to engage

03:27:20.960 and I think that independent media came out in a huge way on this and I'm glad

03:27:27.020 that traditional media is gonna melt down. Thanks for saying that I appreciate it

03:27:33.020 you're absolutely right there's a lot of there's a lot of toying around that goes

03:27:36.740 into the behind the scenes of getting in line first it's something I pride

03:27:40.320 myself in and being able to weasel my way in before anyone realizes that a line

03:27:44.540 is forming and then it's too late the lineup was 30 people long so it's it was

03:27:50.620 a very you know i got in there with alex we sort of had planned out how we were going to get in

03:27:54.940 there and make make the line instead of waiting for the line and that ended up working out and

03:27:59.540 seeing the legacy journalists like justin ling in the back uh just seething that they weren't

03:28:05.780 going to get a question in was uh really satisfying and you know you talk about rosemary

03:28:09.980 barton and i pointed out the little cabana that she's in right now talking with all of her friends

03:28:14.840 in the cbc if you want some entertainment tonight i really recommend watching some reruns of their

03:28:20.840 responses to independent journalists questions i've been getting texts all night about how

03:28:26.200 rosemary barton was just seething losing her mind that so many evil conservatives were asking 1.00

03:28:32.360 questions uh it was it's going to be some good watching with popper and when i go back to my

03:28:36.840 hotel i'm surely going to be watching a lot of that i got to get going uh thanks so much for

03:28:43.560 your time man and go uh go warm up and uh yeah we'll have you back on tomorrow thanks and uh

03:28:49.300 david i believe you have to go too so i appreciate your time is there any uh i don't know if you

03:28:53.880 have to jump off right now if you want to uh i've got five more minutes uh okay you know it's so

03:28:59.400 this was great great coverage janice but kudos to you and kian at being able to you know take

03:29:06.520 a moment like this and expand the horizon of people's thinking on these issues i think you

03:29:12.840 know, it's been a really tough election to watch as a conservative because I feel like so much,

03:29:18.200 so many of the things that really are worthy of debate have kind of been pushed aside by the

03:29:22.820 framing that's happened with the proroguing of parliament. The control over the media has meant

03:29:28.880 that mainstream media is worried about a conservative win. And that's kind of, you know,

03:29:34.380 added to the constraints, I think, on the Polly F campaign. There's been conservative infighting,

03:29:39.020 which we do all the time anyway, as conservatives, that have had taken a toll.

03:29:44.580 But I feel like this debate marked a bit of a turning point on a couple of key issues

03:29:49.300 and certainly a turning point for the role independent media has taken

03:29:53.060 in reframing the kinds of conversations that are going to happen around the country.

03:29:57.360 And I think all of that is going to set up here to have a different kind of week.

03:30:01.760 And I think Carney is going to wake up on the wrong side of some Quebec polls.

03:30:06.340 and i think that's going to put pressure on his ontario game um i think the outcome so three

03:30:11.940 things from this one i think this was blanchette's night and i think he's going to win some seats

03:30:16.260 back in quebec and that's going to hurt the liberals two i think it was pauliav's night

03:30:21.700 number two and uh he's gonna be seen in a different light by an important constituency i think he

03:30:29.460 you know is going to have a chance to redeem himself with boomers and with women on the way 0.97

03:30:33.380 some of these debates went but that's i expect to see more of that and i think that that ontario

03:30:39.300 um the ontario dynamic the 905 what happens with doug ford etc is going to become an important part

03:30:46.180 of what happens the next two weeks but um i think we'll see what happens at the polls but i think

03:30:52.260 we'll have to get another show going here soon because my guess is they're going to shift and

03:30:56.660 and we're going to be in, you know, two to three point differences tied all the way into probably

03:31:03.120 minority party either direction. I sense that you're right. You know, we did think that going

03:31:08.960 into this election that it could have been a landslide for the Conservatives, but it doesn't

03:31:11.700 look like that's going to happen. But I don't think it's over. I think it's incredibly close.

03:31:15.640 We had a pullout today done in-house by our Juno News pollsters. And, you know, it's within a point

03:31:21.600 or two so pierre has made up any of the lead that he may have lost throughout the campaign and i

03:31:27.280 think you're right i think that carney had a bad night tonight um i don't know that very many

03:31:30.960 canadians are watching these debates um interestingly uh some of the independent

03:31:34.720 streamers had really big numbers i noticed viva fry on x had like 13 000 people watching northern

03:31:40.000 perspective on youtube at one point had like 10 or 11 000 um the pleb had six or seven thousand

03:31:45.840 as well i think we had maybe two two two two and a half so pretty respectable but

03:31:50.240 like you know not not not huge huge numbers i think i suspect they'll be bigger tomorrow

03:31:55.280 um but the thing is these things get clipped right and those little moments um go far and

03:32:00.640 that's why i think that the questions that we ask are interesting because they're already

03:32:04.240 starting to prompt conversations on social media and they're just different than the questions

03:32:08.080 legacy media asks so you know whether you like them or not it's like the fact that carney couldn't

03:32:13.760 really answer either of the questions right he he stumbled bumbled through whether trudeau was a

03:32:19.200 good prime minister and that was telling that he felt very uncomfortable answering that question

03:32:23.440 and then same with the gender thing you know like he he didn't actually answer the question he said

03:32:28.000 when it comes to sexes too right but that's not the question and then when it came to uh women's 1.00

03:32:32.800 only spaces he just kind of gave boiler point like stumbled his way through as fast as he could and

03:32:37.840 then got out so the fact that he was deeply uncomfortable obviously he hadn't prepped at

03:32:42.240 all for those kind of questions which again is there's value to that right like that's the point

03:32:45.760 of journalists to ask tough questions like you might hate the questions but the job is to ask

03:32:51.040 tough questions and i think that both true north uh alex zoltan and juno's kian bexy just

03:32:58.560 accomplished that goal exactly and it was unfortunate that the uh rebel questions from

03:33:03.920 drea humphries and alexa dwa refused to be answered by jagmeet singh but again that really

03:33:09.040 reveals his character right he's been doing this shtick i think for three elections now

03:33:12.560 and people are like okay so you don't like these late these female reporters like that that's sort 1.00

03:33:18.000 of a bad reflection on you um it's a it's a closed-minded it's a closed-minded dogmatic

03:33:23.200 ideological position by somebody who's intellectually threatened by two bright women

03:33:27.040 asking hard questions about real issues that people talk about so and this is the classic

03:33:33.040 move by the left this is why no one trusts the left when they say they want to pass laws against

03:33:37.920 misinformation because what he showed in in the way he reacted to those people is he considers

03:33:44.160 other people's legitimate questions about his perspectives as a political leader in this

03:33:48.240 country to be beyond the pale simply by their affiliation with the platform that's asking

03:33:53.840 those questions that's the kind of guy that wants the legal right to determine what's misinformation

03:33:58.880 in this country no thank you right and he's illustrated why we can't trust people with 0.99

03:34:04.400 that kind of language and those kinds of leaders well and it's kind of interesting because at some

03:34:09.200 point in the campaign the left the cbc they were trying to take aim at pierre polyev for not

03:34:15.120 answering enough questions for legacy media pierre play would never do that and has never done that

03:34:18.800 just like knock down saying like i refuse to answer a question from the cbc like no he will

03:34:23.040 actually take a step further and embarrass the journalist by showing how little they know about

03:34:28.480 the topic so if jagmeet singh wanted to like flex his intellectualism and say i don't like the rebel

03:34:35.040 and this is why i'm going to dissect your question and tell you the seven reasons why

03:34:39.040 it's an illegitimate question that that would actually i would i would respect that now of

03:34:42.640 course he can't do that because the questions were well researched and they were intellectual

03:34:46.720 and they were real questions and jagmeet singh probably doesn't have the capacity to go through

03:34:51.600 them and dissect them like that but he quite embarrassed himself and it's interesting that

03:34:55.680 the media has is i i we we had um another journalist there who didn't ask the questions

03:35:01.520 but he sent us a video note and we're not gonna play it but he said that basically inside any time

03:35:08.480 that a leader was taking a shot at peer poly of that the journalists were all like kind of cheering

03:35:13.440 and laughing like they're you know politics is is like a it's like sports spectators for and

03:35:18.800 the journalists were like openly emotionally showing their disdain for pierre poly of during

03:35:24.320 in the debate mocking him laughing him um and so you know they they expected that all the other

03:35:29.180 journalists were like on their team and they didn't really quite realize that some of the

03:35:32.220 people in there were independent journalists who were actually like that in of itself is news the

03:35:35.920 fact that these journalists are like scoffing and laughing at Pierre Polyev and like happy when a

03:35:41.720 tough question gets asked at him and like you know like they've been exposed to just be total

03:35:48.220 partisan frauds, in my opinion.

03:35:50.600 Absolutely. No, they wear the same color jersey right under their outfit. They're wearing

03:35:56.040 team liberal party NDP jerseys. They have a vested personal interest. And this is typical

03:36:03.040 of the press, which is what makes independent press so important, because it's okay for there

03:36:08.360 to be hard left journalists. I don't mind if there's a Marxist journalist that wants to ask

03:36:11.960 a question of Jagmeet Singh or Per Polly. That's what makes society strong. If you don't know how

03:36:16.800 to respond to a question from someone that believes the state should own everything then

03:36:21.620 you shouldn't be a political leader in a country that has people that have that viewpoint because

03:36:25.740 the laws you have to pass will have to deal with that viewpoint and point out why that viewpoint

03:36:29.500 is horrible for humanity uh right like you've got to understand those things and that's what

03:36:34.780 creates strength in in any society and i think i think uh i just feel incredibly proud of uh it's

03:36:42.140 it's juno and true north and rebel showed up and asked great questions hard questions and they

03:36:48.620 showed by asking those questions what a guy like jagmeet singh is made of you know the illustration

03:36:55.020 the fact that he couldn't answer the fact that he tried to grandstand uh his non-answers has painted

03:37:02.060 him to into a corner and reduced him completely as an individual that hopes to lead so terrific

03:37:07.900 absolutely terrific night for the country terrific for independent media and a great debate that the

03:37:13.820 hosts should be very proud of themselves one of my favorite points by the way was i've got a lot

03:37:19.180 of friends internationally and they'll they'll sort of you know they'll they'll key into something

03:37:23.260 and i i think if you keyed into that debate and saw the seriousness with which it was announced

03:37:28.540 that because there's a hockey game on tonight we're pushing the day forward i mean it's just

03:37:33.660 there's something there's something stereotypically canadian isn't it it's beautiful yeah yeah well i

03:37:39.740 made a tick tock about that but i was saying i don't think we're a real country when the hockey

03:37:42.860 games who precedes democracy but you know maybe that's what we think that might that might mean

03:37:49.980 we've got you know less to worry about than we think if that's a lot enough that's a good point

03:37:55.020 that's a good point all right david well i really appreciate having you on hopefully we'll have you

03:37:57.740 back i think you're going to join us again tomorrow we're going to do the show again for

03:38:01.020 the english debate and i think it'll be really good we're really looking forward to that so

03:38:05.100 uh thanks for your time tonight as always that's david knight leg who is a political commentator

03:38:09.820 from alberta thank you so much you bet talk soon goodbye all right folks well we're gonna wrap it

03:38:15.500 up i really appreciate everyone who stayed on and watched thank you for the super chats as well let

03:38:20.140 me just pull open because i think we've been keeping a list of these super chats so we had

03:38:24.380 earlier in the show stavano who gave us 140 dollars said candace thank you let's go pierre yes

03:38:29.580 i would farm girl that gave 25 with no comment but thank you farm girl we had d.y pep ten dollars

03:38:36.380 this is carney's voice did they use ai when carney responds to full canadians uh i don't know but i

03:38:43.340 did i did comment that i didn't like the voices that they used for the translators i felt like

03:38:48.940 they gave pier poliev an annoying voice um and it it was very off-putting and i think that

03:38:56.380 Blanchett got the nice voice, the one with the British accent. So that was interesting. Anyway,

03:39:00.860 folks, I'll be back. I'm going to do a show tomorrow for the KS Podcast show. And I'm really

03:39:04.620 looking forward to it because I'm going to provide the highlights of the debate and some of the

03:39:08.540 lowlights of the responses to our questions. And you're going to want to see that. And then tomorrow

03:39:13.580 night, we'll be back. The debate is later, I believe it starts at 8pm Eastern time. And so

03:39:18.300 we'll have a similar format. And we'll also try to get our reporters to call in after the event.

03:39:23.980 and hopefully they'll get some more questions i don't know i don't know if they'll be allowed back

03:39:28.460 in the building after tonight but hopefully they will and you know this is the great thing about

03:39:35.420 these debates like the reason that independent media are able to come into the room is because

03:39:40.380 of a lawsuit that myself and ezra levant filed back in 2019 we sued the government uh i sued

03:39:47.180 to get andrew lawton who was then my reporter he's now a conservative candidate uh to get into the

03:39:51.900 room and ezra sued to get his reporter at the time who was keen bexty into the room we all went to

03:39:57.580 court that day in toronto i had my baby with me because i didn't have a babysitter that day but

03:40:02.140 we had to go to court we found out at the last minute that we had a court hearing the judge

03:40:06.860 sided with us and said these are journalists you cannot prevent them from going in and asking

03:40:10.860 questions and so he issued an emergency order for us to go in so andrew lawton and kian bexty

03:40:17.900 rushed to the debate, got their questions to Justin Trudeau. They both put great questions

03:40:22.140 to Trudeau. Back then Andrew Lawton asked about press freedom and tried to get Trudeau to pledge

03:40:26.700 to allow independent reporters into the room, which he obviously wouldn't do. And Kian Bextie

03:40:32.940 asked some great questions about Trudeau's time as a teacher at West Point Grey Academy.

03:40:38.940 And you know this is the point of a free society and a democracy is that we should have a free

03:40:45.100 press where journalists can ask any questions that they want they can ask whatever the hell they want

03:40:48.940 and the fact that the questions are different the questions make some elites feel uncomfortable

03:40:53.500 they make people like rosemary barton andrew coin clutch their pearls uh that's a good thing and you

03:40:58.700 know politics is supposed to be filled with important questions sometimes they make you

03:41:03.500 feel uncomfortable because we don't agree on everything and so i do want to know what mark

03:41:07.900 carney's position is on how many genders there are and the fact that he failed to answer that question

03:41:13.180 was interesting of itself and the fact that he swarmed his way through that other question about

03:41:18.460 women-only spaces a lot of women are listening to that a lot of women hear that they worry about 0.97

03:41:23.260 their their daughters in sports they worry about female change rooms female bathrooms 1.00

03:41:29.180 it's a legitimate concern and the fact that he could not answer that question is newsworthy right

03:41:36.620 and so i am very proud of those reporters for doing their job and i am very grateful to the

03:41:41.340 audience who has supported our ability to cover this election we have a fun going at support

03:41:47.100 juno.com if you want to support our ability to do these kind of things to pay the bills

03:41:51.660 to get these fellas onto airplanes to go ask questions to these leaders you can pitch in

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03:42:34.720 tonight very proud of the rebel and the questions that they were able to ask. Again, questions that

03:42:40.420 the legacy media should ask, right? The legacy media represents a very small portion of Canadians,

03:42:45.020 and there are millions, if not tens of millions of Canadians who fall outside of that very narrow

03:42:50.400 field of legacy media, the way that they think about the world, the questions they're interested

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03:43:00.240 and to have our voice heard on nights like tonight so appreciate everyone for your support we're

03:43:05.540 going to wrap up this live stream now i'll just say uh you know behind the scenes we had uh

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03:43:15.460 domain as well flew out to montreal hopefully he'll be able to get in line and get questions

03:43:19.400 for tomorrow. Of course, Alex Zoltan, a legend with that question, Epic, and Kian Bextie doing

03:43:26.720 just an absolutely fantastic job. So thanks so much, guys. And thanks, everyone in the audience

03:43:31.220 for tuning in. We'll wrap it up. Thank you so much. We'll be back again tomorrow. Get us welcome.

03:43:35.880 God bless.

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Juno News - April 17, 2025

LIVE Coverage of the 2025 French Election Debate

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