Juno News - LIVE Coverage of the FINAL Liberal Party Debate

00:00:00.000 hi and welcome to the canis welcome show i'm your host canis milk we have a special live show for

00:00:12.400 you tonight to cover the final liberal party debate the leadership debate there's just two

00:00:18.800 last night was the french debate tonight is the english debate and we are going to have the entire

00:00:23.840 debate for you and i'm joined on this broadcast very pleased to be joined by kian bexty kian

00:00:29.200 bexty is a co-founder of juno news my business partner and he is a host here as well kian welcome

00:00:34.960 to the broadcast thanks for having me i'm excited to see what happens today if mark carney drops

00:00:40.560 the ball again uh or if he's going to be a little quicker on his feet in english well it's pretty

00:00:46.160 unbelievable i mean this guy has sort of come from nowhere he's the savior of the liberal party it's

00:00:51.840 really unbelievable seeing what's happened in the polls over the last six weeks it's it's really

00:00:56.720 unbelievable. I could not have predicted that we would be back in a situation where we're neck and

00:01:01.560 neck, where the liberals and the conservatives are tied in national polls. There was a poll

00:01:05.680 at TodayKian that showed that Mark Carney was up, that the liberals were up by 2% over the

00:01:10.960 conservatives. I've never seen anything like this. I think that the media is in overdrive doing

00:01:17.060 absolutely everything that they can to promote their man, to promote the World Economic Forum

00:01:22.780 Davos elite, Mark Carney, that they want him to be leader. They're covering for him.

00:01:27.260 It was a complete disaster for him last night. And yet you barely even saw coverage of that

00:01:31.620 in the legacy media today. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the debate. I think

00:01:36.820 not much will happen. They all agree with each other. They all have the same platform and the

00:01:40.280 same opinions. It's really just a matter of who the messenger would be. And it seems that Mark

00:01:44.900 Carney has the highest favorables and he is pretty much the shoe in. What do you think of all this?

00:01:51.840 They have their playbook down pat, and it works time and time again.

00:01:55.700 I mean, it worked for Justin Trudeau, one of the most incompetent people in the world.

00:01:59.040 So it's going to work for Mark Carney.

00:02:01.360 It appears like it's working for Mark Carney.

00:02:03.660 And the playbook is this.

00:02:05.440 Make sure that absolutely no critical questions get asked.

00:02:09.400 None at all.

00:02:10.620 Control everyone who's allowed to be close to Mark Carney.

00:02:13.680 Control his itinerary.

00:02:14.820 Do not share that with anyone.

00:02:16.720 You control the message so long as you control the questions.

00:02:19.680 And they did that.

00:02:20.380 The police dragged me out of his very first press conference. That was the stage that they set with Mark Carney's leadership bid. And it's what they've been going with ever since. I don't know if we'll be able to pull up this video quickly enough, but it's basically a question that Mark Carney gets asked by a local journalist from some sort of ethnic media.

00:02:41.360 that he just drags out this question that's like two minutes long explaining why it's an important

00:02:46.880 question to ask and who this guy is that's asking the question and how credible he is.

00:02:51.060 And it just went nowhere. And Mark Conning was thrilled because it ate up the press's time to

00:02:54.980 ask anything serious like, hey, what's up with your friendship with Jelaine Maxwell? Why are

00:03:00.780 you such good friends with her? And why is your wife such personal friends? Did you know that 0.96

00:03:04.820 Jelaine Maxwell was the person that she was while you were such good friends with her over the last

00:03:09.600 decade you know these questions are like pretty obvious you'd think that the cbc would be

00:03:14.360 interested in asking just the bare minimum about who this guy is but really we have no idea outside

00:03:19.420 of his investment banking history where he um and central banking history where he claims credit for

00:03:26.520 the work of others um we don't know anything about him which is why he's pulling well you know some

00:03:31.520 people say that the the liberal party might be pulling well because there is nobody at the top

00:03:37.100 to be taking the bruising from the punching but I I don't know I you know maybe maybe once uh he's

00:03:44.300 the leader the mainstream media will start asking him critical questions but I highly doubt it I

00:03:48.760 highly doubt it it will fall to us again. No they won't they don't want to know they don't want

00:03:52.940 anybody to know I mean this is the reason that Ruby Dalla got disqualified right we know this 0.99

00:03:56.820 we heard a liberal strategist former chief of staff to a liberal minister Stephen O'Brien going

00:04:01.640 on CBC and she literally said, I hope that they find a credible reason to disqualify Ruby Dalla

00:04:07.400 because if she's allowed on that debate stage, it will be a circus. And basically they don't 0.96

00:04:13.020 want dissenting opinions. They don't want dissenting views. They don't want any difficult

00:04:16.360 questions being asked to Mark Carney. So that's why, again, I predict that tonight will be an

00:04:21.860 absolute snooze fest. It will be completely boring. The debate last night, basically what we saw

00:04:27.660 was everybody agreeing about everything.

00:04:31.440 The few gaffes happened because Mark Carney, it turns out,

00:04:34.220 doesn't speak French very well.

00:04:35.620 So he's not even a very good Davos elite, right?

00:04:38.320 Like he's a Laurentian elite that never bothered to learn French.

00:04:43.440 Tell that what you will about that, that he never bothered.

00:04:48.220 And yet, you know, again, the media didn't pick up on that,

00:04:52.380 didn't cover it very clearly, the fact that it wasn't a good night for him.

00:04:56.260 I don't know if it'll be any better.

00:04:57.320 I don't find him a very charismatic or interesting politician.

00:05:00.580 I think he's quite milquetoast and boring.

00:05:02.100 And maybe that's for his favour because Canadians prefer that.

00:05:06.120 And he's being billed as sort of a steady hand in a time of crisis.

00:05:09.540 And that's why, again, you heard last night all of the candidates talking about how we're

00:05:15.140 facing this existential crisis as a country and that this is like bigger than COVID and

00:05:20.460 the financial crisis all wrapped into one, kind of like beating the drum, like a fear

00:05:25.120 mongering Canadians, this idea that like our country is at stake here and only a liberal can

00:05:29.720 save us. And the frustrating thing is, Kian, it seems to be working, at least among a certain

00:05:34.680 subset of voters, the ones who swung the 26% swing that we've seen over the last six weeks in polls,

00:05:41.600 that they prefer, you know, the more they beat the drum of anti-Americanism, the more Canadians

00:05:46.580 fear the Americans. Liberals say that the Americans are now our enemy. And the more people 0.53

00:05:53.580 rally around that liberal flag it's it's maddening uh what do you make of all this i think that katie

00:05:58.940 telford should send donald trump a bouquet of flowers and a box of chocolates i think that

00:06:04.220 donald trump is doing more to save katie telford's job than anyone in canada ever possibly could

00:06:11.020 she was going to go to the dustbin of history her career was going to be over you know it still might

00:06:15.980 be over i i have hope that these polling numbers that we're seeing are not legitimate um pollsters

00:06:21.180 are the biggest fraudsters in our political climate here in Canada and in the US, honestly.

00:06:29.500 They constantly lie for their own gain. And I tend to not believe these polls as they're coming out.

00:06:36.160 There's no way that the Liberal Party is even with the Conservative Party right now. It's

00:06:41.920 definitely some mirage that we're seeing because there's no current leader. But there's no doubt

00:06:48.260 that they're doing better than they were the day before Justin Trudeau resigned. And that is because

00:06:53.540 of Donald Trump. Say what you will about him. I would have supported him over Kamala Harris. I

00:07:00.040 think that he's probably better for the United States than her, definitely better for the United 0.99

00:07:03.860 States than her. But for Canada, you know, he decided that we were the enemy, or at least the

00:07:10.740 Trudeau government was, and they were able to make political hay out of that, which has been,

00:07:15.860 And, you know, I mean, this is this is he he's he's good at what he does.

00:07:21.580 And if a weak Canada is good for the United States, the best way to do that is to keep the liberals in power.

00:07:27.720 So maybe this was calculated. Who knows?

00:07:29.820 Well, I think Trump is a chaos agent and he kind of plays off that.

00:07:33.140 That's almost the genius in what he's doing. Right.

00:07:35.140 Like during his first four years in office, there were no major wars.

00:07:38.400 There were no major escalations because everybody was terrified of him.

00:07:41.680 Like there's a funny story that he told about the Taliban and he basically told the Taliban later, like, hey, here's a picture of your house.

00:07:48.700 If any American serviceman gets harmed, I know where you live, basically.

00:07:52.840 And because of that, no Americans died in Afghanistan under his watch after that point.

00:07:57.200 And, you know, it's it's it's pretty incredible, but it works.

00:08:00.680 Right. And so when it comes to Canada, like I'm I'm still of the position that this is some big troll that he is. 0.66

00:08:07.660 this is art of a deal. He's throwing out something wild and watching everybody react. And it's all

00:08:13.420 to his benefit. The only thing is, every time he mentions the word 51st state, it throws Canadians

00:08:18.920 into a frenzy. And it's actually backfiring for conservatives in Canada. So I take your point.

00:08:24.440 And yeah, there's one thing I don't like that Trump is doing. That's it. I want to bring this

00:08:28.920 back to Justin Trudeau, because there's just so much hypocrisy here, Kian. I'm going to play this 1.00

00:08:33.340 clip. This is what Justin Trudeau said when he was announcing his resignation way back on

00:08:37.560 January 6th. I intend to resign as party leader, as prime minister, after the party selects its

00:08:47.320 next leader through a robust, nationwide, competitive process. So this doesn't really

00:08:55.300 feel like a robust, nationwide, competitive process when the Liberal Party has been tossing

00:09:00.680 out any potential candidate that they like because they pose a threat to Mark Carney, presumably.

00:09:06.960 We have Ruby Dalla, who I don't think she was a frontrunner. 1.00

00:09:10.540 I don't think that she posed a serious threat to Mark Carney.

00:09:14.660 But she was speaking to Juno News' Cat Canada.

00:09:17.220 And she said that she was getting in the way of the coronation of Mark Carney.

00:09:20.560 And that is why they got rid of her.

00:09:21.720 Let's play that clip.

00:09:23.600 Well, I think that they wanted to complete the coronation of Mark Carney.

00:09:28.580 They did not want to have Ruby Dalla on that debate stage or on that ballot. 0.99

00:09:32.200 And ultimately, they were denying, not Ruby Della, but they denied the thousands of people that were supporting me and wanted to vote for a Liberal Party that would be brought back to the centre.

00:09:43.660 And most importantly, a party where all the membership and the grassroots would actually have a voice.

00:09:50.740 So, I mean, basically, Ruby Della was getting in the way of that, Kian, and that is why they got rid of her. 0.54

00:09:58.760 What do you think?

00:10:00.220 Well, the last thing the Liberal Party brass wants is to move back to the center. 0.86

00:10:04.000 The most effective thing that they've done over these last few years is turn Jagmeet into the biggest clown that Ottawa has ever seen.

00:10:15.120 Jagmeet Singh has embarrassed himself to a huge degree, allowing his political capital to be spent for Justin Trudeau.

00:10:25.000 If I was him, I would be so disgraced with the failure of my party that it has seen since he took hold of it.

00:10:34.540 Let's look at the polling numbers right now.

00:10:38.000 The NDP have dropped massively over these last few weeks, just in the last few weeks, because people realize that if they want to stop Pierre, they can just vote for the general.

00:10:50.080 Look at this.

00:10:50.740 The NDP are polling at 12 percent right now.

00:10:53.760 and we hear about them way too much for that the liberals have realized that all they have to do

00:11:00.660 is suffocate the NDP away from their political uh political base and they'll win and that's

00:11:08.000 exactly what they're doing right now it's really unbelievable okay folks so we have the liberal

00:11:13.320 debate it's happening any moment now it's supposed to start at eight o'clock eastern time and it runs

00:11:19.180 for two hours which god help us kian two hours of four liberal candidates basically just all

00:11:25.180 in agreement with one another about uh their liberal agenda um kian and i are going to be back

00:11:31.420 at some point later in the broadcast to provide our commentary um but we will send it over to

00:11:38.060 the live feed so that you can you can watch the debate along with us um kian what are you expecting

00:11:44.380 to see tonight? I'm going to see, I'm going to expect to see Mark Carney try to make up lost

00:11:51.160 ground from last night. And that means he's going to be throwing a few punches, try to make sure

00:11:56.380 that any, you know, let's put it this way. If he makes a similar mistake to what he made last

00:12:03.920 night saying that he agrees with Hamas, which that was, you know, chalk that up to him not

00:12:09.120 speaking French well. But if he has a similar gap to that, people are going to start questioning,

00:12:13.180 is this guy really a good politician he's never been one before um he's always been in the back

00:12:18.420 rooms uh not not trying to relate uh any sort of charisma to voters if he makes a similar mistake

00:12:26.140 tonight in his own native tongue people might start seriously thinking is christia actually

00:12:30.880 is is it better to take the baggage of christia freeland and her relationship to justin trudeau

00:12:36.180 um if if mark carney isn't able to stand up on a debate stage because he's going to have to whoever

00:12:42.080 wins this debate wins this leadership race is going to have to go toe to toe with pierre paulia

00:12:47.520 who obviously we know can debate really really well so if mark carney can't debate in his own

00:12:53.600 native tongue today he is going to be losing a lot of support and he's going to be in a lot of trouble

00:12:59.040 all right well i'm getting word that the debate is starting right now folks we are going to throw

00:13:03.600 to the liberal party debate stage live in montreal quebec come to the english language

00:13:10.560 liberal leadership debate here in Montreal. I'm Hannah Thibodeau, the Executive Communications

00:13:15.040 Officer with Global Public Affairs. Tonight I am very thankful to be moderating this debate.

00:13:20.880 Tonight our candidates, I'm going to introduce you, Karina Gould on the left, Frank Bayless,

00:13:26.320 Chrystia Freeland, and Mark Carney will tackle four key themes. And those themes were informed

00:13:33.680 by registered liberals across this country. I'm just going to remind you what those were. If you

00:13:37.920 you didn't watch the french language debate last night you missed a lot but tonight i'm glad you're

00:13:42.160 with us it's canada's place in the world growing a strong economy supporting canadians and of course

00:13:49.120 climate change i want to welcome all of you to the debate this evening i'm so happy to be here with

00:13:53.760 you great to be with you so i'm going to explain to viewers a little bit about the format and

00:13:59.520 remind everyone here too because we go off a little bit so here's the format in each theme

00:14:04.720 there is an opportunity for candidates to answer a one-minute question. They'll each get that one

00:14:10.160 minute and the same question. Also in the themes there will be opportunities for five-minute debates

00:14:15.920 and we're going to have closing statements. Some of tonight's questions did come from registered

00:14:22.080 liberals. None of the candidates or their teams know what the questions are. They're in my head.

00:14:27.840 They will come out. Let's start. I want to get right into this and begin with opening statements

00:14:32.880 and this order was decided by a random draw.

00:14:36.000 Mr. Bayless, your 90 seconds starts right now.

00:14:39.000 Thank you.

00:14:41.200 Good evening, everyone.

00:14:42.040 My name is Frank Bayless, and I'm a professional engineer.

00:14:45.680 As a businessman, I built several companies

00:14:47.800 in the healthcare sector, and along with that,

00:14:50.080 I've created thousands of good-paying,

00:14:52.320 high-technology jobs.

00:14:54.440 I know how to build strong teams.

00:14:56.720 I know how to find good people

00:14:58.500 and work with them to achieve results.

00:15:00.940 I've also been elected as a Member of Parliament from 2015 to 2019, so I have an understanding

00:15:08.560 of how government works.

00:15:10.660 Now this combination of my private sector and my public sector experience puts me in

00:15:15.240 a unique position to be able to build systems, work with the government, and make it work

00:15:20.000 for all Canadians.

00:15:21.700 Now, I recognize that we're living in challenging times, but having said that, I'm very optimistic

00:15:28.640 about our future.

00:15:29.640 yes i believe in canadians and i believe in canada and with my plan i'm certain we'll

00:15:34.920 reach our full potential i'm going to focus on three priorities number one i want to build a

00:15:41.640 strong and resilient economy that we all benefit from number two i want to improve our healthcare

00:15:48.440 system so it becomes the best healthcare system in the world and it's not going to cost more money

00:15:53.000 it's going to save money and three i want to modernize the federal government such that it

00:15:57.800 becomes much more efficacious, better at delivering services to our Canadian citizens.

00:16:03.800 Together, we will build a proud and prosperous Canada for all Canadians.

00:16:09.400 Mr. Bayless, thank you kindly for that. Ms. Gould, your 90 seconds starts right now.

00:16:14.360 Meeting the moment. That's why we're here tonight. Growing up in a middle-class family

00:16:19.480 in Burlington, Ontario, and now having two kids of my own, I get what Canadians are going through.

00:16:25.800 Worrying about how to pay your mortgage, keep gas in the tank or whether you'll be able to retire.

00:16:31.560 I know it hasn't been easy as we face serious challenges to our economy and to our sovereignty.

00:16:38.120 But these challenges also present us with incredible opportunities to unite our country,

00:16:43.480 defend our economy and protect our values from the threats we are facing from south of the border 1.00

00:16:48.840 and our own little version of Trump here at home. I got into politics to do good things for Canadians.

00:16:55.160 And with a decade of experience, I know how to get that done.

00:16:59.160 I am so proud to be Canadian, especially right now,

00:17:04.160 as Canadians across this country meet the moment.

00:17:08.160 And tonight, each of us on this stage need to meet the moment.

00:17:12.160 Tonight, I am going to raise the tough questions we need to confront as Liberals,

00:17:16.160 have an honest conversation about where we stand on the big issues we face as Canadians

00:17:21.160 and present a clear plan for the future of this country.

00:17:24.160 If we do not do that, we will lose the next election.

00:17:28.160 Our opponents may wish that Canada is broken.

00:17:31.160 But we know as Liberals, this is a great country.

00:17:34.160 Now is the time for hope.

00:17:36.160 I am the leader we need.

00:17:38.160 And together, we can build the Canada we want.

00:17:41.160 And I'm asking you to join me.

00:17:43.160 Ms. Gould, thank you kindly.

00:17:45.160 Ms. Freeland, you're up next.

00:17:47.160 Ms. A few weeks ago in Saskatoon, I met a four-year-old girl named Ari.

00:17:53.160 She asked me, can you stop Trump from invading Canada?

00:17:58.360 Ari is a smart girl and she's asking the right question.

00:18:03.320 I'm running to be leader of the Liberal Party and the next Prime Minister of Canada

00:18:08.540 because Trump is posing the gravest challenge our country has faced since the Second World War.

00:18:16.700 He's threatening us with economic warfare.

00:18:19.680 That's not new.

00:18:21.300 Last time, he threatened to rip up NAFTA, and he imposed tariffs on our steel and aluminum.

00:18:27.200 I fought back, and I won.

00:18:30.660 This time, Trump's threats are even worse.

00:18:35.580 He wants to make us the 51st state.

00:18:39.680 Trump is unleashed and empowered.

00:18:43.800 As your Prime Minister, I will be too.

00:18:46.880 I have the experience, the plan, and the guts to stand up to Trump, to tell him that Canada is not

00:18:55.960 for sale, and if he hits us, we'll hit him back. We need a leader who understands the seriousness

00:19:03.120 of the challenge and is ready to meet it. A leader who can say to Ari and to everyone across our

00:19:10.140 great country. I will fight for you. I will fight for Canada. And together, we will win.

00:19:18.220 Ms. Freeland, thank you kindly. And we move now to Mark Kearney.

00:19:21.180 Thank you very much. Good evening, everyone. My name is Mark Kearney.

00:19:24.540 I was born in the Northwest Territories and I grew up in Edmonton. During my career,

00:19:28.860 I've had the honor of serving our country, including as Governor of the Bank of Canada

00:19:33.180 during the financial crisis of 2008. Right now, as my colleagues have said,

00:19:38.140 Canada faces one of the most serious crises in our history.

00:19:42.140 To get through it, we will need to build a strong economy,

00:19:45.140 and that requires big changes.

00:19:48.140 Canadians have been telling me that they want change.

00:19:51.140 They want positive change that builds this country.

00:19:54.140 I can bring that change.

00:19:56.140 I know how to manage crises.

00:19:58.140 I know how to build strong economies.

00:20:01.140 Yes, there are a lot of uncertainties.

00:20:05.140 but during a crisis it's important to distinguish what you can't control what we can control we

00:20:11.780 can't change donald trump but we can control our economic destiny we are masters in our own home

00:20:22.420 i have a plan a plan that puts more money back in your pockets a plan that makes our companies

00:20:30.580 more competitive. A plan that builds a strong economy that works for you.

00:20:37.380 Canadians are ready to stand up for their country. I'm ready to stand with them and bring the right

00:20:42.660 change for Canada. Thank you. Mr. Carney, thank you. Thank you all. And we're going to get right

00:20:48.980 into our first theme of this evening, Canada's place in the world. So for all these one minute

00:20:55.300 questions you are all going to get that one minute chance to answer the same question that's where

00:21:00.340 we're starting this evening and here's a warm-up for you tonight because it comes from deborah in

00:21:05.780 british columbia but i think deborah really is showing what many canadians are asking right now

00:21:11.540 she asks how will you stand up for canada against us president donald trump but i would like to add

00:21:18.180 to what she has to say. Why are you the best person positioned to do this? And the order was

00:21:25.120 picked ahead of time. And Mr. Bayless, you're first on this. One minute on the clock.

00:21:28.700 So I've negotiated hundreds and hundreds of contracts with Americans over my 40-year career.

00:21:34.100 And from time to time, I run into the character of Mr. Trump. So it's not new to me.

00:21:38.540 On this point, I published a letter one day before his inauguration when I said clearly,

00:21:43.520 he's not going to put 25 percent tariffs on everything but he is going to attack certain

00:21:47.860 industries the first one i said he's going to attack is steel it's exactly what he did i tell

00:21:53.540 you this to tell you that i know how to deal with him and it's important to understand that mr trump

00:21:58.240 is a bully and you do not give one inch to a bully in that case we cannot be learning this on

00:22:05.260 the job that's where i come in i have the experience and the expertise to deal with

00:22:11.020 Donald Trump. I can predict what he'll do, and then I can help build our defenses to

00:22:16.380 stop him from doing those things, and also counterattack, which unfortunately is going

00:22:20.860 to be necessary. This way I will protect our country, I will protect our economy, I will

00:22:26.200 protect our culture, and I will protect our sovereignty.

00:22:29.600 We're staying on time for the one minute. Appreciate that, Mr. Bayless. Mr. Kearney,

00:22:33.580 over to you now.

00:22:34.500 Thank you very much, Hannah. I think in a situation like this, you need experience in

00:22:38.780 in terms of crisis management, you need negotiating skills,

00:22:42.160 but you also need economic expertise

00:22:44.140 because part of the way to deal with this situation

00:22:47.220 is to do what we should have been doing

00:22:48.900 and what we need to do as a country,

00:22:50.760 which is to build a strong economy.

00:22:53.120 Now, we're gonna spend time on building a strong economy,

00:22:56.080 so I'll go through my plan for that later.

00:22:58.800 But let me start by being clear.

00:23:01.200 We will never, ever be part of the United States

00:23:05.200 in any way, shape, or form.

00:23:07.440 We have to recognize that the Donald Trump of today

00:23:09.660 is different than the Donald Trump of several years ago.

00:23:13.380 Then his objective was to take more of our market.

00:23:17.980 Now he wants to take our country.

00:23:21.080 Let me finish by pointing out one other thing.

00:23:23.440 Who's the worst person to stand up to Donald Trump?

00:23:26.240 It's Pierre Polyev.

00:23:27.520 He worships the man.

00:23:28.700 He uses his language.

00:23:30.600 He's not the right person for our country at this crucial time.

00:23:33.820 Again, thank you for sticking to time on that.

00:23:35.860 Ms. Gould, you're up now.

00:23:37.440 Thanks Hannah and thanks Debra for the question. Look men like Donald Trump have

00:23:43.220 always underestimated leaders like me but they underestimate me and that's

00:23:48.760 their mistake and I think as Canadians we know what that's like. We know how to

00:23:53.820 stand up for who we are and to stand up to bullies and that's something that I've

00:23:58.140 been doing in the House of Commons for the last decade. I know how to stand up

00:24:02.100 to people like Pierre Polyev who when it comes to Donald Trump would rather

00:24:06.120 imitate him then stand up for Canada. I know how to stand up to people who want

00:24:11.460 to take from us what is rightfully ours. We are a proud sovereign country and as

00:24:17.360 Canadians we have so much to offer but also the Americans depend on us and you

00:24:22.980 can't bring a calculator to a knife fight. You have to fight very strongly

00:24:27.600 and with the right tools and that's exactly what I'm going to do as Prime

00:24:31.400 Minister. Ms. Gould, thank you kindly. We're going to move into our first five

00:24:35.240 minute debate oh my gosh that's first mistake by the moderator my apologies

00:24:43.340 miss Freeland thank you thanks Anna Trump represents the biggest threat our 1.00

00:24:51.260 country has seen since the Second World War I have recognized that from the

00:24:56.340 outset I've built my campaign on a plan to answer that threat I do think though

00:25:04.460 it is a big mistake for Canadians to think that because we can't change Trump, we can't negotiate

00:25:11.880 with him. Of course we can't change him, but we can outwit him. And the way to do that is by using

00:25:20.620 our leverage, by recognizing that, yes, we depend on the U.S., but they depend on us too. We are

00:25:28.620 their largest market by far, we sell them the things we need. A smart, tough negotiator who

00:25:35.860 stands up to Trump can activate those Americans who need us, get them to lobby him. That's how we

00:25:44.580 get a win-win outcome. That's how Canada wins. And now we will move into that first five-minute

00:25:51.180 debate. Thank you for pointing that out. This is an open debate. Mr. Bayless, we'll start first

00:25:55.720 with you. Others can join in on this debate, but please try not to talk over each other too, too

00:26:01.600 much. We will control that. So here's the question. Knowing the why is vital in negotiations, or

00:26:09.020 you're essentially just negotiating against yourself. So why is President Trump doing this

00:26:16.400 to Canada? Well, President Trump needs to show that he has a win on the border, and he's got

00:26:21.980 himself elected by saying he's going to deal with illegal immigration. And right away, he puts out

00:26:26.440 a tweet saying there's a problem with Canada and Mexico. The problem is, for him, there is no

00:26:32.520 problem with Canada. We know it and the Americans know it. So he's trying to make one so that he

00:26:36.940 can later solve it. Now, I want to point something out. This is not a negotiations. This is a

00:26:42.940 shakedown. We have an agreement. He negotiated the agreement. He signed the agreement. The problem

00:26:48.420 we have is he's not respecting the agreement. So you believe it's the border is what I feel for 0.99

00:26:54.480 you. I'm saying that that's his that's his red herring that he's trying to say we're a problem

00:26:59.160 with the border that he's going to solve. Ms. Freeland and then Mr. Carney. Trump is starting

00:27:04.260 with us for a very simple reason. If you can show the world that you can beat up on Canada,

00:27:11.820 your best friend, your reliable, trustworthy neighbor, then think about how the rest of the

00:27:18.320 world feels. It is the demonstration effect. It is saying, if I can beat up on those guys,

00:27:23.520 imagine what I can do to you. And that's why a smart Canadian strategy needs to start with

00:27:31.200 looking for allies, working in the first instance with Mexico, Panama, Denmark, and the EU who all

00:27:40.960 face the same sovereignty challenge. I think we need to invite the Secretary General of NATO

00:27:45.920 to that first summit that I will host right after becoming Prime Minister. Working with our allies,

00:27:52.860 we form a common front and stop Trump from doing what he wants to do, which is pick us off one

00:27:58.940 after the other. Mr. Carney, you're up next. I want to pick up on what Krista just said,

00:28:04.040 because I think underlying all this

00:28:07.000 is what President Trump is looking for,

00:28:09.400 is to dominate the hemisphere.

00:28:12.300 He wants to enlarge U.S. power into Canada,

00:28:15.560 into Greenland, into the Panama Canal,

00:28:18.120 as was just mentioned.

00:28:19.400 So the stakes are very, very high.

00:28:23.000 This is a serious crisis,

00:28:24.320 not just an economic crisis.

00:28:25.460 It's a crisis of sovereignty.

00:28:27.120 So yes, we do need to build our allies.

00:28:31.400 In the interest of time,

00:28:32.840 I'm going to add one other thing.

00:28:34.040 And we'll come back to this later.

00:28:35.960 We also need to build our economy.

00:28:37.680 We need to build our economy right here.

00:28:39.380 If we have one Canadian economy instead of 13, that more than outweighs the impact of

00:28:44.920 what he's trying to do to us.

00:28:46.360 Ms. Gould?

00:28:47.360 Yeah, thank you.

00:28:48.680 And as I see where my colleagues are going, and I appreciate, I think all of that is probably

00:28:54.720 true, except what did we just see in Ukraine?

00:28:58.400 He did a deal with Putin for critical minerals in Ukraine.

00:29:03.680 else has critical minerals canada and so we need to understand what the u.s is trying to do here

00:29:10.160 but we also need to make sure that we are standing up for our sovereignty and for our economy you

00:29:15.360 know last night there was a bunch of conversations with colleagues who said well i'm not even going

00:29:18.960 to talk to donald trump well guess what we don't have that choice we have to talk to him that is

00:29:24.320 something that we absolutely have to do on behalf of canadians we might not like it but that is the

00:29:29.440 role of the prime minister to stand up and fight for canada every single day and that is exactly

00:29:35.520 what i am going to do stand up for canadians stand up for our industries and to say that we have

00:29:41.520 leverage we have things the u.s wants and we're not afraid to use them and if that means that

00:29:48.320 americans are going to see increased prices or american industries are going to suffer we will

00:29:53.920 make sure that we put everything on the table as canada because our sovereignty our economy our

00:29:59.040 jobs are non-negotiable okay mr bayless uh let's try to go 30 more seconds because we have more

00:30:04.640 interactions here let me tell you the first thing i'm going to do i'm going to go fly down and meet

00:30:09.360 president scheinbaum of mexico it's a very strong smart lady and i'm going to make a deal with her

00:30:14.560 and say look we need to stand up together to mr trump he said he's putting 25 percent tariffs on

00:30:19.280 both of us he can't do that it'll destroy his economy so we need to call his bluff and then

00:30:24.080 what we need to do is take off the table what was already given for nothing which is the worker

00:30:28.720 that we were going to do on our border for $1.3 billion

00:30:30.960 and the work that she was going to do on her border

00:30:33.300 and say, you know what, that's off the table now.

00:30:35.520 We're back to square zero.

00:30:36.780 That's how I will deal with President Trump.

00:30:38.180 Okay, Mr. Carney, do you want to jump in?

00:30:39.660 And then Ms. Freeland. 0.96

00:30:40.240 Yeah, let me make two points.

00:30:41.560 One is you have to be able to do more than one thing

00:30:43.860 at one time as prime minister.

00:30:45.660 So that means building the economy.

00:30:47.120 It means negotiating with allies,

00:30:49.080 leveraging our critical minerals,

00:30:50.660 leveraging our clean energy with those allies.

00:30:52.840 That's critically important.

00:30:54.360 And hitting hard with a real negotiation

00:30:56.620 with President Trump,

00:30:57.480 which includes dollar-for-dollar tariffs, includes using all the cards potentially that we have,

00:31:02.780 and they are considerable as the U.S.'s largest client.

00:31:05.760 Let me get Ms. Freeland in first and then... 1.00

00:31:09.240 Just one second. Ms. Freeland and then I'll come to you, Ms. Gold.

00:31:11.680 The thing to recognize about President Trump is with him, weakness is a provocation

00:31:16.280 and capitulation is not a negotiating strategy.

00:31:19.780 The great thing is right now, Canadians get it.

00:31:23.660 There is this wave of patriotism in Canada, and Canadians are going to stand and fight for Canada.

00:31:29.900 They need a leader who knows how to lead that fight and rally that wave of patriotism.

00:31:35.660 I'm the leader who can do that.

00:31:36.720 Ms. Gould.

00:31:37.860 Thank you.

00:31:38.360 Well, one thing that I would like to ask Mr. Carney, because yesterday he made some mentions of sectors that he would protect over others.

00:31:45.380 And I think what is really important is to understand which sectors you're willing to protect, but which sectors you would negotiate away.

00:31:52.140 And that is something that I think as Canadians, we need to understand because as Prime Minister, I'm not going to negotiate any of those sectors away.

00:31:59.480 I'm going to stand up for people in every single province and territory, every single sector to make sure that we protect Canadian jobs and protect our industries.

00:32:08.340 Okay, as moderator, all due respect, I'm going to try to ask the questions, but I am going to give Mr. Carney the opportunity to respond to that as well, Ms.

00:32:17.400 So, let me be clear about a few things.

00:32:20.580 one, not everyone would have watched the debate last night. So in a negotiation, if there are

00:32:25.220 things that should never enter into the negotiation, language, culture, our water,

00:32:31.920 you make clear at the start of the negotiation that they are off the table. Second thing is that

00:32:38.180 the other aspects, for example, our auto sector, I'll give an example, which is intimately

00:32:42.920 and interconnected with the United States.

00:32:48.320 We're going to negotiate around maintaining a good deal

00:32:52.860 for our auto sector, but that is not the same

00:32:56.180 as accepting a bad deal, Karina.

00:32:59.200 Well, actually, when it comes to the auto sector,

00:33:01.080 in the previous NAFTA negotiation,

00:33:03.300 we got a better deal than we had before.

00:33:05.200 We changed the rules of origin for car parts

00:33:07.860 that gave an advantage to high-wage Canadian workers.

00:33:12.080 That's the kind of approach we need to take.

00:33:13.900 Ms. Gould, do you want 10 seconds before we move on?

00:33:16.000 No, I'm okay.

00:33:16.480 Okay, we are going to move on then.

00:33:18.080 Thank you.

00:33:18.480 That was a great, fulsome debate.

00:33:20.260 We're going to move on to the next section where it's a one-minute response each for this question.

00:33:27.560 So Donald Trump said again yesterday, I'm sure we all know, the 25% tariffs are coming on March the 4th.

00:33:35.060 Only days later, one of you will become the prime minister of this country.

00:33:40.660 What is your first move?

00:33:41.840 And again, this was drawn ahead of time.

00:33:43.700 And Mr. Bayless, your start.

00:33:46.200 So first of all, I don't take him at his word.

00:33:49.200 He said March 4th, but I would expect him to hit us beforehand.

00:33:52.660 And I expect him to hit us again.

00:33:54.360 What he's going to do is look at industries where he has overcapacity in the United States.

00:33:59.540 Because he'll be thinking that's going to hurt the American economy the least, I should say.

00:34:04.200 So I'm going to be looking at softwood lumber, and I'm going to be looking at dairy as the next two industries he's going to attack.

00:34:10.080 And what we're going to be doing is supporting those industries completely.

00:34:13.600 We're not going to let them take our jobs away.

00:34:15.480 And we're going to be putting into place very intelligent counter tariffs.

00:34:19.140 And then we're going to be waiting.

00:34:21.260 And we're going to be waiting.

00:34:22.860 Because he's not going to stop until he gets the lesson that he can't get away with this.

00:34:27.380 Then what I am going to do is, as I said, I will go down and meet with President Scheinbaum of Mexico.

00:34:32.840 Come together with her and say, listen, let's hold the fort together.

00:34:36.380 Let's call him on his 25% tariff bluff.

00:34:39.220 Let's just call it.

00:34:40.080 Tell him, do it.

00:34:41.280 And let's take everything that he already took from us off the table.

00:34:44.800 Mr. Bayless, thank you.

00:34:46.080 Ms. Freeland, you're up next.

00:34:47.400 And again, days later, it's you that becomes prime minister.

00:34:50.680 What is your first move?

00:34:52.300 My first move is dollar for dollar retaliation.

00:34:57.360 And let me be very clear with President Trump.

00:35:00.620 If I am prime minister, I will not flinch.

00:35:03.580 We will retaliate.

00:35:04.940 If you hit us, we will hit back. 0.99

00:35:07.100 But our retaliation will be a lot smarter than their dumb tariffs. 0.99

00:35:13.400 And it's the Wall Street Journal, usually a supporter of Trump, that described this Trump effort as dumb. 0.98

00:35:20.980 Canada, by contrast, is going to be smart. 0.92

00:35:24.540 We are going to have a targeted retaliation that exerts maximum pain in the U.S. and does minimum harm to us.

00:35:31.880 We're going to hit Trump's best friends.

00:35:33.860 I will impose a 100% tariff on Teslas.

00:35:37.320 I'm going to hit Wisconsin dairy.

00:35:39.460 I'm going to hit Florida orange juice.

00:35:41.500 And you are going to see a stock market reaction.

00:35:44.800 You're going to see people like the American Farm Bureau

00:35:47.220 complaining about the Canadian potash they need that costs more.

00:35:51.480 And that reaction, that pain, will cause Trump ultimately to back down,

00:35:57.200 just like you did last time.

00:35:58.620 Ms. Gould, you're up next.

00:36:00.020 Only days later, you become Prime Minister.

00:36:02.380 What's your first move?

00:36:03.860 My very first move is to call a meeting

00:36:05.840 with the Council of the Federation

00:36:07.100 and bring the premiers together

00:36:08.640 to make sure that we share our plan for Canada.

00:36:11.760 Because this is every single province and territory,

00:36:14.960 every business leader in our country,

00:36:16.740 every union leader, every single Canadian.

00:36:20.400 And then to share the plan with the entire country

00:36:23.740 because Canadians deserve to know what we are doing.

00:36:26.640 Absolutely, we retaliate against Donald Trump.

00:36:31.120 We do a major Team Canada approach in the United States

00:36:35.720 where we engage with American leaders,

00:36:38.340 but also American citizens,

00:36:40.880 because it is American citizens

00:36:42.400 who are going to feel the impact of these tariffs.

00:36:45.440 And we need to let them know

00:36:46.880 that this is not Canada's decision.

00:36:48.880 This is the decision of the United States.

00:36:51.580 And I'm gonna call on Canadians to stop going to Florida, 1.00

00:36:55.840 to stop buying Florida orange juice,

00:36:58.020 because that's a $50 billion economy

00:37:00.440 in that state alone.

00:37:02.340 Canadians matter to the United States.

00:37:04.820 Ms. Gould, thank you kindly.

00:37:06.420 Mr. Carney, days later, you become prime minister.

00:37:09.420 What's your first move?

00:37:10.520 Well, I'll pick up on a few things.

00:37:12.520 First, entirely agree with what Karina just said.

00:37:15.820 First item call, I would call it a first minister's meeting

00:37:19.500 as opposed to council of federations,

00:37:20.860 but first minister's meeting, sharing the plan,

00:37:23.700 but also developing our broader response,

00:37:26.460 our broader domestic response, including project.

00:37:28.760 Secondly, I entirely agree with Christian, dollar-for-dollar tariffs, maximum impact

00:37:33.980 on the United States, minimal impact here in Canada.

00:37:39.680 Thirdly, put them on notice on the broader aspects of our commercial relationship.

00:37:47.540 We are their largest supplier of energy.

00:37:50.020 We are their largest supplier of electricity.

00:37:52.440 We are their largest supplier of uranium.

00:37:54.680 I could go on, but I will exhaust all my time.

00:37:58.160 There is the first signs in the United States now of the economic impact of the Trump policies.

00:38:07.300 We will amplify that, and that will begin to create the leverage.

00:38:11.120 And then I will call President Trump.

00:38:13.360 And then you'll call President Trump.

00:38:14.360 Well, it's going to be a long day.

00:38:16.400 Okay, Mr. Carney, thank you.

00:38:18.640 Ms. Gould, this is a five-minute section, and I'm going to start with you on this.

00:38:21.820 Others can jump in, again, if we can try not to talk over each other.

00:38:25.980 Ms. Gould, what do you think Canada should be doing with our allies, and we did hear some discussion in the opening statements about this, given the shifting geopolitical sands around the globe?

00:38:37.960 Well, look, I mentioned that over the past week, Donald Trump has been negotiating away Ukraine's sovereignty and their territorial integrity.

00:38:47.200 We saw President Trump abandon the free world throughout this process.

00:38:51.960 We absolutely need to shore up our allies with democracies around the world because our democracy is under threat.

00:39:01.660 We need to protect the values that we care about.

00:39:05.200 What does that look like?

00:39:06.280 It means reaching the 2% NATO target, not because the U.S. asked us to, but because we need to as Canadians.

00:39:12.460 It means making sure that we stand up for our values around the world, that we continue with our important international assistance.

00:39:18.840 We saw Trump take away from USAID.

00:39:22.340 Canada can't fill that void, but we can maintain our commitments.

00:39:26.360 And it means making sure that we live our values on a daily basis on the international scene.

00:39:32.420 The world needs Canada, and Canada will be there for the world.

00:39:35.720 Ms. Freeland?

00:39:36.880 It's a great question, because what is different about this unleashed and empowered President Trump

00:39:44.300 is he is clearly threatening our sovereignty.

00:39:48.240 and we need to respond. For the first time, the U.S., rather than guaranteeing, for the first

00:39:55.840 time since the Second World War, rather than guaranteeing the rules-based order, the U.S.

00:40:00.280 is turning predator. And so what Canada needs to do is work closely with our democratic allies,

00:40:07.120 our military allies. I've been foreign minister. I know how to do that. That's why I would start

00:40:13.020 with our nordic partners specifically denmark which is also being threatened and our european

00:40:18.380 nato allies i would be sure that france and britain were there who possess nuclear weapons

00:40:24.700 and i would be working urgently with those partners to build a closer security relationship

00:40:31.100 that guarantees our security in a time when the united states can be a threat and i would also

00:40:37.580 crucially reach out to our Asian democratic partners, Japan, South Korea, Australia,

00:40:45.800 they need to be part of the conversation too. We need to be ready for a world where the US 0.93

00:40:50.900 is not the leader of the free world anymore. Canada can be and must be a leader in building

00:40:57.700 this new order. Our allies are looking to us and if we do this, we'll make ourselves safer as well.

00:41:04.200 Mr. Bayless.

00:41:05.680 Thank you.

00:41:06.560 So we're in a lucky position in the sense that Donald Trump has targeted many other countries, European Union.

00:41:13.480 We've talked about the other ones as well.

00:41:15.060 So we can use this to our advantage.

00:41:17.260 Now we can say to them, let's get together and target Donald Trump and target some of his industries.

00:41:22.180 I'll give you an example.

00:41:23.680 So Boeing Airlines, they have to sell planes all around the world,

00:41:27.060 and they have competitors that can also compete with them and sell planes we can buy from Embraer,

00:41:32.560 we can buy from Airbus and that.

00:41:34.200 So we should get together with them and say, look, we're going to bankrupt Boeing.

00:41:38.920 The Canadian government should also do this.

00:41:40.560 Under the same guise that he's using to impose these tariffs on us,

00:41:43.700 we should say, you know what, it's an emergency situation,

00:41:46.280 and we've got to re-look at our defence spending.

00:41:48.780 We're buying planes from the United States.

00:41:51.140 We're buying all kinds of defence industry products from the United States.

00:41:54.120 And you know what, we're going to put them on hold for now,

00:41:56.300 and if this continues for a couple more weeks, we're going to cancel them.

00:41:59.340 We start this process, other people follow us,

00:42:01.880 it will hit them exactly where it hurts.

00:42:04.680 Mr. Carney.

00:42:05.480 Well, it's interesting.

00:42:06.120 I was asked a question a few weeks ago.

00:42:08.300 It was in Amherst, Nova Scotia,

00:42:10.000 and I was asked a question by some British journalists

00:42:15.160 about whether the UK and Europe could avoid the impact of President Trump.

00:42:21.500 I said, good luck with that.

00:42:23.660 Now they're beginning to see the impact.

00:42:25.600 We've seen it through Ukraine and elsewhere.

00:42:28.140 So there is an opportunity, in fact, a necessity, an imperative here for us to work with like-minded countries on the new security architecture.

00:42:39.560 Yes, we have to step up for our contribution.

00:42:42.740 How we protect our Arctic, which is under threat not just now from the Russians and the Chinese, but from potential U.S. incursions. 0.59

00:42:50.860 Serious, serious issue.

00:42:52.420 We have to work on our, I'll call it our data architecture, how we're going to handle artificial intelligence.

00:42:57.280 last point, because a lot of people want to come in. We need to leverage all of our assets from

00:43:02.260 critical minerals to clean energy and well beyond to harden those partnerships in Europe and in Asia

00:43:10.740 with like-minded. Ms. Gould. Thank you, Hannah, and thank you to my colleagues, I think, for some

00:43:15.200 very interesting ideas. Mark, you talked about reaching NATO targets, but of all of us on stage,

00:43:23.380 you plan to reach those not until 2030 but the imperative to do that is now you talked about the

00:43:29.780 fact that the arctic is under threat um we don't have time to wait for this we have to actually

00:43:36.740 make sure that we are investing here in canada reaching those targets because our country our

00:43:41.780 sovereignty is under threat and we are in a new world and so at the time to make those investments

00:43:46.340 is now i i do have a question about the targets coming up so we will get to that uh and just

00:43:51.140 I do believe we need to hit 2% by 2027 and we

00:43:55.140 need to be focused on spending the money here

00:43:58.140 in Canada with Canadian companies.

00:44:00.140 But I want to be sharing a message from all of us

00:44:04.140 directly with President Trump.

00:44:06.140 What you are hearing from the Liberal Party of

00:44:09.140 Canada is our sovereignty is not negotiable,

00:44:12.140 Canada is not for sale, we are going to stand

00:44:15.140 with all Canadians and not become the 51st

00:44:18.140 with all Canadians and not become the 51st state.

00:44:21.140 And Pierre Polyev wants to imitate you.

00:44:23.780 But we are going to defeat him.

00:44:25.780 And together, we're going to fight for Canada.

00:44:28.380 So guess what?

00:44:29.480 That question is coming up right now, Ms. Gould.

00:44:31.480 So we can follow up.

00:44:32.420 Mr. Carney, I'll give you the opportunity.

00:44:33.920 Because today, the British Prime Minister,

00:44:36.300 Keir Starmer, announced 2.5% of their GDP

00:44:40.000 for defence spending by 2027.

00:44:43.140 Everybody has spoken about boosting our own GDP.

00:44:48.140 in different years. So we'll clarify with you. Would you do the same 2.5% by 2027?

00:44:56.140 Well, look, the first thing we're starting from a different position than the UK is.

00:45:00.700 But it also goes to the heart of what we're trying to accomplish. I think this goes to

00:45:05.500 a fundamental point about how to manage government. The outcome here is securing

00:45:11.740 Canada to protect Canadians. Now, I was born in the Arctic, born in the Northwest Territories.

00:45:18.760 I know it well. I know the imperative. The imperative in the Arctic is to have at least

00:45:24.600 two new bases in the Arctic, probably Tuktoyaktuk and in Iqaluit.

00:45:31.780 We need to build out on NORAT. We need to build out cyber capabilities. We need to build out

00:45:36.080 frontier. The core point, I will spend defense dollars in Canada, not the 80% that this government

00:45:43.720 has spent in the United States up until now. 80% of capital's defense dollars have gone to the

00:45:49.840 United States. I will spend them in Canada, and I will spend them as rapidly as possible

00:45:54.520 to secure for Canadians. But that is a management thing. It's not an arbitrary target.

00:46:01.060 Ms. Gould makes a good point, though. You had mentioned, I think, 2030.

00:46:05.760 I said by 2030.

00:46:07.600 Right.

00:46:07.940 And I said when I said it that we will do faster if we can deploy it faster in Canada.

00:46:12.940 This is a management point. This is a core point about delivering security.

00:46:18.020 And that is the issue, not just pushing money out the door.

00:46:21.900 One minute for you, Ms. Freeland.

00:46:23.380 I think what it is about is will and a plan and commitment to defend our country.

00:46:31.820 So I've put forward a plan to hit 2% by 2027.

00:46:36.600 It is critical that we spend that money here in Canada on Canadian companies.

00:46:43.180 And we need to be thinking about the next generation of warfare.

00:46:46.340 As we're seeing in Ukraine, drones, AI, these are really important.

00:46:50.940 Our 2% should not be about sending checks to the United States.

00:46:55.440 Critically, we need a plan to defend our own borders, very particularly the Arctic,

00:47:01.740 and we need to be working with our Nordic and EU-NATO partners.

00:47:07.100 They have nuclear weapons.

00:47:08.640 We need to say to them, we need a plan to protect and defend our shared Arctic without the U.S.

00:47:16.400 and Canada will step up

00:47:20.180 because it's our sovereignty that's at stake as well.

00:47:23.660 Mr. Bayless, you have one minute now.

00:47:26.040 So about a year ago, I published a letter

00:47:28.120 and said that we should meet our 2% GDP in defence spending

00:47:31.860 and that we should do it by 2030.

00:47:33.900 That was a six-year time frame.

00:47:36.120 And even at six years, to do it intelligently,

00:47:38.780 it's actually quite compressed.

00:47:40.520 So anybody can spend money and everybody can waste money.

00:47:43.400 But to do it intelligently

00:47:44.540 and such that it packs and comes into Canada

00:47:47.920 and we're buying Canadian products,

00:47:49.960 Canadian services and that,

00:47:51.460 that's not as easy.

00:47:52.600 So I can't say that we would get to 2%

00:47:54.760 by in three or four years.

00:47:55.900 I don't think that's doable in an intelligent way.

00:47:58.280 There are some things we can do,

00:47:59.720 which I did say,

00:48:00.980 which is we should pay our armed forces much better.

00:48:03.720 We're not doing that.

00:48:04.580 We need to raise their pays,

00:48:06.000 raise their benefits.

00:48:07.280 Then I proposed something called CARD,

00:48:09.600 which is the Canadian Agency

00:48:10.780 for Advanced Research and Defence.

00:48:12.860 And this is taking something

00:48:13.760 that the Americans do and they have their program called DARPA. So I'm copying that program where

00:48:17.980 they invest in research and development in Canadian companies. They develop something.

00:48:22.460 Now we see it's working. Then we can procure it. So I want to make the spending, but it won't

00:48:26.580 happen that fast. Okay. Ms. Gould, now over to you. Thank you, Hannah. So, I mean, I think you hear

00:48:31.440 from all of us that we want to increase our defense spending. It's just a matter of who's

00:48:35.820 going to do it in the timely way that we need to do it. And I'm committed to doing it by 2027.

00:48:41.940 and there are two ways that we can do this.

00:48:44.980 First, by increasing the salaries of our Canadian Armed Forces,

00:48:48.660 we do not pay our military personnel a sufficient wage in this country

00:48:53.500 and they are there for us when we need them most.

00:48:57.360 And so we need to pay them more.

00:48:59.440 That's something that I would do immediately as Prime Minister.

00:49:03.140 Second, what can we do?

00:49:05.060 You know, Mr. Carney talked about military procurement,

00:49:08.400 but our military procurement isn't working.

00:49:10.000 We have a lot of orders on the docket.

00:49:12.560 We need a procurement czar to get those orders moving. 0.96

00:49:15.880 And while I entirely agree with a Made in Canada solution, 0.82

00:49:19.300 we need to ensure that our troops have the equipment, the tools,

00:49:22.740 and the resources that they need to fight and protect us here at home and around the world.

00:49:28.020 Okay, this isn't a debate period, but I do see everybody wants to jump in.

00:49:31.580 Ms. Freeland and then Mr. Kearney.

00:49:33.080 I just want to push back against the idea that managerial or technocratic obstacles

00:49:39.340 should get in the way of defending Canada.

00:49:42.340 We really need to act with the fierce urgency of now.

00:49:46.160 We need to recognize President Trump has said dozens of times

00:49:51.900 he wants us to be the 51st state.

00:49:55.020 I don't think any of us wants to be the leader

00:49:57.460 who was asleep at the wheel and didn't get Canada defended,

00:50:02.560 did not work with our democratic allies

00:50:05.660 to protect our borders.

00:50:07.320 They want to work with us. It's time for us to step up at home, to urgently reach out to them and build a new world order where democracy and Canadian sovereignty is protected.

00:50:19.120 Mr. Carney, you're up next.

00:50:21.340 I'm going to associate myself. I'm going to agree with that.

00:50:24.420 The only amendment I'm going to make is, unfortunately, it won't be a world order.

00:50:28.620 It will be a subset of the world order because the number of like-minded countries is much smaller with U.S. exiting.

00:50:34.960 But I want to make an important point.

00:50:37.320 Because a huge element of securing Canada is going to be related to information warfare.

00:50:44.400 It's going to be related to cyber.

00:50:46.200 It's going to be related to artificial intelligence.

00:50:48.620 And it's crucial that we're in Montreal.

00:50:50.580 We're in one of the centers of artificial intelligence excellence.

00:50:53.300 There are others in this country.

00:50:54.280 It's crucial that we're building those capabilities on Canadian technologies, to Canadian values,

00:51:02.700 to protect Canadians because we can't rely on foreign suppliers for them.

00:51:10.120 That is one of the new realities that are there.

00:51:12.780 So the natural approach here is gone.

00:51:16.360 And that's one of the main priorities I would have in terms of securing Canada.

00:51:21.380 Mr. Bayless, jump in there.

00:51:22.640 So I'd like to give you an example of how we can do this intelligently

00:51:26.080 and how we can do it the wrong way.

00:51:27.880 If we try and push tens and tens of billions of dollars out the door

00:51:31.140 within three years for government procurement of defense,

00:51:34.660 it's going to be wasted.

00:51:36.180 It's going to be splashed all over the place

00:51:38.180 and we're not going to get what we need.

00:51:39.880 The program that I'm calling for, CARD,

00:51:42.180 Canadian Agency for Advanced Research and Defense,

00:51:44.620 what we would do, I'll give you an example with respect to drones.

00:51:47.800 Right here in Quebec, we have a very strong aerospace industry.

00:51:51.220 So we would give out five or six research contracts,

00:51:54.860 and none of this, by the way, is subject to our trade agreements,

00:51:58.300 and see who comes up with the best drone.

00:51:59.860 And once we have that, then we can go and say, we're going to buy that from you.

00:52:03.560 But to develop it and get it done like that, that's not going to happen.

00:52:06.400 So if we try to do this too quickly, we're going to be wasting money and we're going

00:52:09.660 to be wasting an excellent opportunity to build Canadian industry.

00:52:13.280 Ms. Gould.

00:52:14.600 Thank you.

00:52:15.240 I would push back gently on that to say that getting our troops the equipment and the supplies

00:52:19.540 and the tools they need to defend Canada is not wasted money.

00:52:22.960 It's actually imperative for them to defend and protect us in this time.

00:52:27.300 But Mark brought up an interesting point about capabilities here in Canada.

00:52:32.880 And as the Minister of Democratic Institutions, I put in place Canada's first ever and only plan to protect our country from cyber attacks in our democracy.

00:52:42.480 And as part of that, I know that we have one of the premier cyber security institutions through the CSE here in Canada.

00:52:49.860 But what we don't have is our own intelligence agency that can work to collect foreign intelligence.

00:52:55.640 Now might be the time that we need to establish those capabilities.

00:52:59.640 We heard earlier today that the Americans had thought about removing Canada from our 5I partnership.

00:53:05.640 We rely too much on the Americans for intelligence internationally, 0.99

00:53:11.640 and we need to ensure that Canada has the capacity and the capability to protect ourselves,

00:53:16.640 to work with democratic partners, and to ensure more than anything,

00:53:20.640 more than anything, we are protecting Canadians, Canadian industry, and our economy at a time of

00:53:26.840 intense cyber espionage. And this is something that is an important policy for today in 2025.

00:53:32.740 Ms. Freeland, jump in there. 1.00

00:53:33.720 You know, I really believe in Canada and Canadians, and there is this wave of passion in our country

00:53:41.640 to defend our country. One of the reasons that I decided to run for the leadership

00:53:46.840 is I had a conversation after Trump made his 51st state threat

00:53:52.620 with a couple of very brilliant young technologists

00:53:56.060 who worked with Jeff Hinton, the Nobel Prize-winning father of AI.

00:54:01.120 And they said to me, we know what's happening in Ukraine

00:54:04.500 and we see how technologists are leading the fight.

00:54:07.820 We are patriotic Canadians.

00:54:10.640 We believe in our country.

00:54:11.880 We need a government that gets that, that invests in us, because we are ready to stand on guard for Canada.

00:54:20.100 And that is the approach we need to take.

00:54:21.920 I think we need to have confidence that Canadians, empowered and led by a government that believes in them, will do this.

00:54:28.620 Mr. Carney.

00:54:29.820 Okay.

00:54:30.620 This is a crucial conversation.

00:54:33.400 And I'm really heartened by both the seriousness, the range of ideas.

00:54:39.680 But I'm going to bring up one related aspect, which Karina just touched on, which is about

00:54:44.480 foreign interference, foreign interference in our democratic institutions.

00:54:49.340 And the responsibility of all politicians, particularly leaders of parties, and certainly

00:54:55.160 the prime minister, is to be fully briefed on these issues.

00:54:59.560 Garipoliyev hasn't ever bothered to get his security clearance.

00:55:05.260 I've already, during this leadership campaign, filled out my forms.

00:55:08.880 It wasn't that hard to do, I have to say, and put them in.

00:55:11.760 And I fully expect to get it in the near future.

00:55:14.140 This is the kind of irresponsibility at a time when our country is under threat that we cannot afford.

00:55:20.780 We cannot afford a leader like Pierre Pauliette.

00:55:24.080 Mr. Bayliss?

00:55:24.740 I'd like to just do two things.

00:55:26.060 First of all, clarification on Ms. Gould.

00:55:27.920 I put out my defense plan before yours, and in it I made it very clear that I was going to raise salaries.

00:55:33.680 But that's not going to spend tens of billions of dollars.

00:55:35.800 Having said that, what we do need to do is increase enrollment, and that will come by getting better salaries and benefits.

00:55:42.120 And also, there's another area where I'd like to see a step up, where we've really fallen far behind.

00:55:47.020 We're down to 33 UN peacekeepers in the world.

00:55:50.240 This is not acceptable for Canada, the country that brought peacekeeping to the world.

00:55:54.120 So I'd like to really invest in recruiting, strengthening the number of people in our armed forces, and putting some out in peacekeeping roles.

00:56:01.820 I want to thank you all. That was a great first theme.

00:56:04.360 we are going to move on now to the second theme of this evening and this is going to be a question

00:56:09.240 for all of you it's a one minute question and i'm going to start with mr carney this time so

00:56:13.560 canadians are living in tough economic times as prime minister what would your priority be to

00:56:20.040 strengthen our economy well i think i'll start my answer by saying this will be one of my top

00:56:28.040 priorities with jointly with these issues that we just touched on largely with the us and the

00:56:32.760 threats to our security a focus on building our economy on several layers first and foremost

00:56:40.840 this is a time to build we have an enormous opportunity to build our economy that means

00:56:46.120 building millions of homes we're millions of homes short in this country everyone who's trying to buy

00:56:51.080 a home is aware that's particularly young it's building infrastructure both conventional energy

00:56:56.120 infrastructure and clean energy infrastructure it's building out building up on the conversation

00:57:00.520 we just had on intelligence infrastructure it is diversifying our trade partners with

00:57:05.080 new trading routes and it's creating one canadian economy instead of 13. that's what's necessary

00:57:11.960 to move this country forward from where we are today which has become quite a weak position

00:57:19.320 economically we will dig into some of those topics a bit more miss gould you're up next

00:57:23.400 thanks thanks hannah um okay we wanted to jump in folks just for a minute wow is this boring

00:57:28.600 i i i'm sorry i'm listening i'm trying to follow along but they all sound the same they're not

00:57:32.840 saying anything it's like they're all filibustering and just filling time not really getting into any

00:57:37.880 depth the only thing that they really feel passionately about is their anti-americanism

00:57:42.200 and their dislike of donald trump and their fear-mongering about how canada has to change

00:57:46.440 and the whole world is going to be completely different uh to to me there's just nothing

00:57:51.000 nothing there folks we will get back to the debate in a minute but i wanted to jump in right now and

00:57:56.440 And just first of all, thank you for supporting independent journalism.

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00:58:39.140 They will prop up Mark Carney, I promise you.

00:58:41.380 They won't tell you the truth.

00:58:42.540 They won't tell you just how bad he is, how empty he is.

00:58:47.120 I mean, hearing him talk about how he would negotiate with Donald Trump, that wasn't inspiring to me.

00:58:52.440 He was talking about basically selling out the auto industry, that taking certain things off the table, not the auto industry.

00:58:58.220 I mean, people are reckless. And the fact that the media is not telling you the truth is a big problem.

00:59:02.440 The media is lying to you. So please, I'm urging you to head on over to Juno News and subscribe for about eight bucks a month.

00:59:10.400 And you can get all of our coverage. Kian, what do you think so far?

00:59:14.420 It was just completely vapid on most of their parts.

00:59:18.200 you know the first question donald trump second question donald trump third question donald trump

00:59:24.020 nothing about out of control immigration nothing about justin trudeau's record of corruption

00:59:29.220 nothing about the housing crisis nothing about fentanyl no serious questions whatsoever it was

00:59:34.300 all trump trump trump trump trump america tariffs blah blah blah nothing about actually governing

00:59:38.860 this country this tariff stuff is going to pass donald trump is not the primary concern of most

00:59:44.240 Canadians right now. Canadians want to afford a house so that they can have kids. They want to 0.98

00:59:48.960 make sure that their brother who just OD'd last night has a hospital bed to go to and has, you

00:59:54.380 know, a functioning healthcare system so that they can get the help that they need. They want to make

00:59:58.040 sure that their streets are safe so that the downtown east side of Vancouver isn't more

01:00:04.220 dangerous than a war zone. These are the things that Canadians want answers to, not whatever the

01:00:09.920 liberals are talking about. It's an absolute disgrace what we're watching right now. And

01:00:13.600 there's another hour left of it i'm horrified but i do want to say to everyone watching thank you

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01:00:25.100 the best way to help us uh maintain uh the work that we're doing so that we can keep up um asking

01:00:31.820 the questions that the mainstream media obviously refuses to ask uh and to publish the stories that

01:00:37.380 the mainstream media tries to sweep under the rugs well thank you so much for that kian uh just one 0.95

01:00:42.480 point you know it's interesting they're talking about cost of living right now and we'll head

01:00:45.060 right back to the debate so folks can continue it was just so boring i had to break it up i'm like

01:00:48.700 i don't know two hours with these people they all sound the same they're not saying anything

01:00:52.520 just nothing is uh what one funny thing that happened last night was during the french

01:00:56.940 language debate they asked the candidates how much a canadian spends the average canadian family

01:01:02.120 spends on groceries uh none of them knew mark carney didn't didn't know i don't think that

01:01:06.140 that got enough attention christie freeland guessed that it was uh i think 250 a week

01:01:11.080 It turns out it's $300, which surprises me.

01:01:13.840 I mean, I have a family with four kids, so I think we spend more than the average.

01:01:17.080 But $300 on average per week is so expensive, and that is Justin Trudeau's record.

01:01:22.120 That is what happens when you have out-of-control inflation and when you impose a carbon tax and, you know, a tax on everything.

01:01:29.080 So, okay, we'll go back to the debate so folks can continue to watch that.

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01:01:42.360 Okay, let's go back to the debate.

01:01:48.480 For first time, homebuyers.

01:01:50.840 This is a crucial point, getting on the home ladder.

01:01:53.780 We need to, if we have one Canadian economy, we can reduce prices by 15%.

01:01:59.160 If we have greater competition in our economy, which my government will deliver,

01:02:06.040 in groceries, in broadband, in transportation.

01:02:09.920 That will bring prices down.

01:02:11.460 That will help people move ahead.

01:02:12.820 So we have to tackle the affordability issue

01:02:15.060 across the board.

01:02:17.280 Last point, absolutely have to keep in place

01:02:20.380 the progress that the government has made

01:02:23.900 on crucial things such as childcare,

01:02:26.320 on dental care and farmer care,

01:02:28.280 because that helps those who are most vulnerable.

01:02:31.240 We'll talk a little bit about healthcare soon too.

01:02:33.640 Ms. Gould, you're up next.

01:02:34.920 Thank you, Hannah.

01:02:36.040 You know, when my colleagues talk about households, I talk about families.

01:02:40.260 When they talk about, you know, the macro picture, I talk about what it means for individuals.

01:02:45.800 And I'm so proud that I was able to deliver affordable child care for families across this country.

01:02:52.180 And I would expand that to include before and after school care as well.

01:02:56.860 But when we're talking about people who are going to food banks, we're talking about the most vulnerable in our society.

01:03:02.040 A middle-class tax cut or removing the GST on new homes isn't going to help those folks.

01:03:08.260 But you know what will?

01:03:09.800 Modernizing our social safety net.

01:03:12.560 Making sure that seniors who live on a fixed income, persons with disabilities, 0.51

01:03:17.840 folks who have lost their job, who need support to retrain and rebound, are better off.

01:03:23.260 And that's why I'm talking about opening a path towards a basic income.

01:03:28.240 Poverty costs money.

01:03:30.160 That's why we need to work to eliminate homelessness, it's why I would work with provinces and

01:03:34.700 territories to have specific accords to ensure that folks who get into housing can stay stable

01:03:40.540 and that they can enter the workforce and join and be prosperous.

01:03:44.980 We need to tackle poverty in this country.

01:03:48.420 It is urgent for us to do and it is something that I am promising that I will work on with

01:03:53.560 Canadians to ensure that every person in this country has a real, viable opportunity for

01:03:59.160 success.

01:04:00.160 you're up next i am so glad to have child care mentioned as finance minister one of the things

01:04:07.680 i was so grateful to be able to do was to introduce in my first budget a national system

01:04:13.680 of early learning and child care and it was wonderful to work first with ahmed hussein

01:04:18.560 get that first crucial deal with bc and a bunch more and then ahmed handed the baton to karina

01:04:24.800 and we work together this is generational it's transformational for canada my affordability plan

01:04:32.000 includes a hundred thousand more child care places it includes a middle class tax cut it includes

01:04:39.280 a cut on credit card fees it includes a cut on taxes for first-time home buyers and the critical

01:04:46.480 thing for us to all remember is the real threat to canadian families the real threat to people 1.00

01:04:54.400 working really hard and struggling to get by is not anyone on this stage. It is Pierre Polyev.

01:05:02.000 He will cut, cut, cut. He will bring in a cruel austerity that will hurt all the people in Canada

01:05:11.600 who need the help the most. And that's why I'm proud to be a Liberal and that's why I'm running

01:05:16.560 to be the next leader of our party. Mr. Bayless, I'm trying to pick up some time here. 30 seconds

01:05:20.400 to you and then I'm going to come over to you. So you mentioned food banks. I've actually been

01:05:24.160 on the board, the board directors of a food bank for 11 years. And you'll note that I was over the

01:05:29.280 time that I was a member of parliament. So normally I stepped off all boards because you don't want to

01:05:33.060 politicize them. But the food bank said, Frank, we don't care. We need your help. Please stay on

01:05:37.400 the board. So I understand this intimately. Now, what tends to happen with politicians, they did

01:05:43.200 it this time. They brought the grocery store owners in and they yelled at them and screamed 0.96

01:05:46.460 them. But the reality is this. If you want to buy an orange, that grocery store has to go buy it in

01:05:51.860 United States in U.S. dollars, bring it to Canada, convert it to Canadian dollars. Every time our

01:05:57.300 dollar goes down, the price of that orange goes up. Now, if we want to get that down, working,

01:06:02.980 we need to bring our dollar up and bring oranges, bananas, everything else down. That's the solution.

01:06:08.580 Mr. Carney? I want to be clear, and Canadians feel this, I want to be clear about the

01:06:16.660 quote, strength of our economy. Our economy over the last five years has been driven by a big

01:06:24.200 increase in the labor force, which was largely because of a surge in immigration that is now

01:06:29.520 trying to be controlled, and by government spending that grew over 9% year after year after

01:06:38.280 year, twice the rate of growth of our economy. So our economy was weak before we got to the point

01:06:45.220 of these threats from President Trump.

01:06:48.660 That's why we need big changes.

01:06:51.100 That's the reason I'm here.

01:06:52.520 That's why we need big changes

01:06:53.960 to how we're managing this economy.

01:06:56.180 I want to make one last point,

01:06:57.840 which goes to workers.

01:07:00.820 My plan, it's a time to build,

01:07:02.880 build across this economy

01:07:04.420 and go into more detail.

01:07:06.020 It is going to be a great time

01:07:08.180 going forward to be a worker in Canada.

01:07:11.060 It is going to be a great time

01:07:12.440 to be in the trades in Canada

01:07:14.240 because we are going to build this country across this country for Canadians and with Canadians.

01:07:20.980 Ms. Gould, I'm going to give you 30 seconds. We are out of time, but I want to...

01:07:24.260 Look, I'm not going to talk down Canada.

01:07:26.500 I am only ever going to be a champion for this country.

01:07:30.360 And when it comes to the question that was asked about poverty,

01:07:34.260 we actually have to talk about people in poverty and what their lived experience is.

01:07:39.940 When I was the Minister of Families, I worked on a national school food program

01:07:43.740 that is now going to be supporting thousands of kids across this country and delivered child

01:07:48.060 care but let's be clear poverty costs us money and investing to tackle and end poverty like things

01:07:55.500 like the Canada child benefit or increasing senior supports is going to benefit all of us

01:08:01.340 and 30 seconds to you Ms Freeland and then we'll move on I just want to say really quickly that

01:08:06.780 we need to be really careful not to repeat conservative talking points Canada most

01:08:12.540 definitely is not broken. We are a strong, resilient country. Canadians live four years

01:08:19.660 longer than Americans and median wealth in Canada is higher than in the US. Trump is giving us an

01:08:25.740 opportunity to make a strong economy even stronger and more resilient. And I think as Liberals,

01:08:32.460 we have to remember the great legacy of Jean-Cretien Paul Martin. We are the party that believes in

01:08:39.340 social policy and economic policy.

01:08:42.200 We know how to deliver jobs and growth

01:08:44.880 and we know how to support people.

01:08:47.800 We believe in both and that is the kind of party

01:08:51.140 and that is the kind of government I will lead

01:08:53.640 as Prime Minister.

01:08:54.900 We're going to have one more one-minute issue

01:08:58.300 and we can talk about all of the other stuff

01:09:00.640 in that as well.

01:09:02.620 So I'm going to start, this is supposed to be

01:09:04.880 with Ms. Freeland as well on this one

01:09:06.380 because it was previously drawn.

01:09:07.740 As Prime Minister, and we're coming back to what we were talking about when it comes to managing the nation's books,

01:09:14.360 how would you manage the nation's books at this critical time?

01:09:18.480 And, of course, you were the former Finance Minister.

01:09:22.380 Yeah, well, I would start by pushing back very forcefully against Conservatives who taught Canada down.

01:09:32.300 The reality is Canada has a strong fiscal position.

01:09:36.680 We have a AAA credit rating and we have the lowest debt and the lowest deficit in the G7.

01:09:43.980 That was important for me to maintain a fiscally responsible position because I know that we have

01:09:51.340 needed to keep our fiscal fire powder dry because I saw that Trump was coming. Today, we need to

01:09:59.520 seize the opportunity that Trump presents us to harness this wave of Canadian patriotism

01:10:05.340 and to build a Canadian economy which is even stronger

01:10:09.300 with more jobs, more investment, more prosperity.

01:10:14.200 And critically, we need to remember that standing up to Trump

01:10:18.380 is the foundation of all economic policies

01:10:21.180 and there could be some pain involved.

01:10:24.000 The government has to be there to support workers,

01:10:27.420 to support businesses.

01:10:28.840 As Prime Minister, you have my commitment that I'll do that.

01:10:32.640 Mr. Bayless, your one minute starts now.

01:10:34.820 So as I mentioned, I'm going to bring fiscal discipline to Ottawa.

01:10:38.020 Now, when I say that, a lot of people think, okay,

01:10:40.740 is he going to cut services or is he going to raise taxes?

01:10:43.860 It's neither.

01:10:44.960 There is a third option, which is to increase productivity.

01:10:48.440 So if we increase productivity, we increase richness,

01:10:51.340 we increase our tax base and everything.

01:10:53.480 Now, as a business owner, I've done that.

01:10:56.940 When I brought a company from two people to 1,000,

01:10:59.900 I know how to invest intelligently to increase productivity.

01:11:04.180 Added to that, as I mentioned, I've also been elected, so I'm the one person here that understands both sides of the coin, and I'm going to use that skill set to then say, okay, how do we put in place government programs that are going to help the economy work, government programs that are going to be à la bénéfice to the benefit of businesses, and take away ones that are hurting, such as, for example, I wrote well over a year ago that the increase in capital gains was a very bad idea

01:11:32.780 because it goes against what we want.

01:11:34.860 It discourages investments when we want to encourage them.

01:11:37.780 Ms. Gould, you're up next.

01:11:39.360 Thank you, Hannah.

01:11:41.280 Look, I'm all for increasing productivity.

01:11:43.760 And in fact, last week I announced a plan

01:11:46.020 to create a million new entrepreneurs in this country.

01:11:49.460 I'm the daughter of a small business owner.

01:11:51.720 I grew up working in the family business.

01:11:53.480 And I think we need to unleash that economic potential.

01:11:57.000 But if someone tells you that they're going to balance the books

01:12:00.540 in a very short period of time,

01:12:03.100 increasing our productivity in that period of time is not going to be sufficient.

01:12:07.020 And at a time when we are facing potentially one of the greatest economic shocks our country has

01:12:12.780 experienced, we need to ensure that the government can be there for Canadians like the federal

01:12:18.620 government was during the pandemic with the Canada emergency response benefit, the business loan,

01:12:25.660 as well as the wage subsidy, because we will win against Donald Trump. But we need to ensure that

01:12:31.420 Canadians have the income support they need and the jobs to get to when we eventually win. Thank

01:12:36.120 you. Mr. Carney, the last in the one minute. Okay. Well, it was my privilege to work with

01:12:41.600 Paul Martin when he balanced the books and kept the books balanced. And one of the lessons of that

01:12:48.400 is the need for government to continue to focus on how effectively it is spending precious

01:12:56.380 taxpayers dollars in other words a focus on the outcomes of programs as opposed to the dollars

01:13:02.140 going in and one thing you can see is that the scale of increase in spending and the scale of

01:13:08.300 increase in the public service hasn't been matched by greater productivity in certain areas so the

01:13:13.980 focus does have to go to that in order to create the room and maintain the room for those social

01:13:20.140 programs, because that is what the Liberal Party is about. One of the core things, which is to

01:13:26.100 manage responsibly our fiscal position so that we can support the vulnerable in society so we can

01:13:32.720 move forward as a society. So we need to spend less and invest more as a country. We're going

01:13:40.120 to move into a six-minute debate on this. Yes, because this is something we want to continue

01:13:45.380 to discuss. Ms. Freeland, I'll go to you first on this one. Productivity seems to be sort of a

01:13:51.420 sleeper issue. When you mention it to Canadians, they go, how will you fix productivity in this

01:13:59.880 country? Well, I think that President Trump is giving us this golden opportunity to fix some of

01:14:10.100 the long-standing well-known obstacles to Canada being more productive. Interprovincial trade is

01:14:17.640 the standout example and we now have the will to do it. Recognizing foreign credentials of people

01:14:24.680 who are already here, you know, that famous person we all know who is driving a taxi but is a nurse or a

01:14:30.600 doctor, that's another example. Another one is just cutting red tape to get big projects built. 0.96

01:14:36.980 But we're coming to the end of the economic section, and I do want to talk about a part of the economy where there have been huge leaps in productivity, which is central to Canada's resilience and economic strength, particularly as we face up to Donald Trump, and that is rural Canada and our farmers.

01:14:57.360 I am the daughter of a farmer. I grew up on a farm. There are no people in Canada or the world who work harder than farmers. And I do think it's really important for us to have government policies that support our farmers.

01:15:12.860 They give us food security. They are an important source of strength when it comes to this standoff

01:15:19.460 with the U.S. And we need to be very clear with Canada's dairy farmers that we will stand for

01:15:26.780 supply management. I mean, isn't it a good thing that we produce our own milk, our own eggs, our

01:15:34.120 own butter, our own cheese, that we're not dependent on U.S. factory farms for that? So we need to

01:15:41.400 remember and stand with our farmers. Ms. Gould, your next please. Thank you, Hannah. Look,

01:15:46.380 Chrystia, I'm really glad you mentioned the rural economy and agriculture. One of the first things

01:15:51.240 I would do as Prime Minister in my speech from the throne is to ensure that we protect supply

01:15:55.920 management. It was a piece of legislation that unfortunately died when we prorogued Parliament,

01:16:01.800 but I think it is imperative that we protect our supply managed sectors. But I think one of the

01:16:07.260 frustrations that rural Canada has had with us as a government is that we haven't spoken enough

01:16:12.520 about sectors in rural Canada whether that is mining whether that is you know energy whether

01:16:20.060 that is agriculture whether that is forestry and you know for us we have to really ensure that we

01:16:25.800 talk about productivity we're not just talking about new sectors we're talking about existing

01:16:30.560 sectors and this is where ai can be used as a tool to enhance productivity in those sectors

01:16:37.600 and that's something that i'm really excited about but one thing that i i do want to mention

01:16:42.560 and mark i'm glad you talked about paul martin because i know you were a really excellent

01:16:46.480 deputy minister of finance who did really good work and is that we also need to remember that

01:16:53.040 the economy is about people it's not just numbers or points on a graph it's about how do we make

01:16:59.280 the economy work for people and Hannah your question about productivity what does that mean

01:17:04.720 to the average Canadian when they're saying I can't afford my groceries and I'm having a hard

01:17:09.680 time paying my rent we need to talk about the things that matter to Canadians not because we're

01:17:15.760 talking as politicians but because we're talking as people who understand and experience what

01:17:20.640 they're going through and that's something that I bring to the table okay I'm gonna have to stick

01:17:24.640 to time on this topic. Mr. Bayless, you wanted to jump in on that and then Mr. Carney after that.

01:17:30.240 So when we talk about productivity, one of the first places I'm going to look at

01:17:33.760 is the federal government itself. That's when I talked about modernizing the federal government,

01:17:38.640 one of my three priorities. I'll give you an example here. Revenue Canada is the biggest

01:17:43.040 pain point for both individuals and businesses in trying to pay their taxes. This is ridiculous. 0.96

01:17:48.960 This is such a waste of time and that wasted time directly impacts their productivity.

01:17:54.240 so i'm going to fix revenue canada i'm going to get it working the way it should work because the

01:17:58.640 people that are calling and trying to work with revenue canada are good people they're trying to

01:18:02.400 pay their taxes other things i'm going to do i'm going to build two pipelines two gas pipelines

01:18:09.040 to get our great alberto natural gas to the east coast and the west coast that's going to have a

01:18:14.400 huge impact on our economy it's going to diversify us away from reliance just on the americans and

01:18:20.480 And yes, it's going to have a very positive impact on the world's environmental situation

01:18:25.620 because it'll allow our Asian and our European allies to come off of coal and oil and start

01:18:31.520 using a much cleaner fuel, liquid natural gas from Alberta.

01:18:35.620 Mark Kearney.

01:18:36.100 One of the reasons why families have a hard time to afford their groceries is because

01:18:41.800 we haven't had productivity.

01:18:43.600 That's the issue.

01:18:44.760 It's that their wages aren't keeping pace with prices.

01:18:48.800 That's because they're not being given the right tools to work with.

01:18:52.360 We're not working as smart as we should.

01:18:54.280 So that's the challenge that we're talking about.

01:18:56.520 And that's the result.

01:18:57.360 And that's the connection.

01:18:58.860 As Prime Minister, you need to make the connection between policies that make that difference that go to families.

01:19:06.120 So both are connected.

01:19:07.500 A couple of quick points.

01:19:08.620 Number one, one Canadian economy will drive huge productivity.

01:19:13.120 Secondly, productivity in government, as Frank just says.

01:19:15.400 I won't go on about it, but it's absolutely essential.

01:19:17.420 when we have not had the productivity need in government.

01:19:19.680 Thirdly, the two big drivers, productivity going forward,

01:19:24.600 will be the energy transition and AI.

01:19:27.520 Okay, I'm gonna give you each 15 seconds,

01:19:29.640 Ms. Freeland, with you, first.

01:19:32.540 Making Canada more productive,

01:19:34.600 which just really means making us all more prosperous,

01:19:37.340 means we have to invest in infrastructure.

01:19:39.800 We have to invest in physical infrastructure.

01:19:42.140 That's why I'm so supportive of high-speed rail.

01:19:45.080 We also have to invest in social infrastructure.

01:19:47.760 That is infrastructure too.

01:19:49.780 And early learning and childcare is such a great example

01:19:54.220 because this is a policy

01:19:55.520 which makes life more affordable for families.

01:19:58.020 It makes kids smarter because it's so high quality

01:20:01.300 and it adds to the labor force

01:20:03.040 without requiring any new homes.

01:20:05.540 So physical infrastructure, social infrastructure,

01:20:08.780 and we have the national will to really do this

01:20:12.000 because we know we need to be more resilient

01:20:14.380 because we're at this critical moment for our country,

01:20:17.440 facing the need to stand up to Trump

01:20:19.520 and defend our sovereignty and our economy.

01:20:21.880 That was not 15 seconds, but we'll try again.

01:20:24.860 Karina Gould, 15 seconds for you

01:20:26.400 and then I am gonna give Mr. Bayless 15 as well.

01:20:29.120 The job of Prime Minister is to connect with Canadians

01:20:32.640 and it's to ensure that you are placing the priorities

01:20:35.800 of Canadians at the centre of everything that you do.

01:20:40.140 That's why tackling things like homelessness

01:20:42.540 and housing affordability actually make people's lives more affordable.

01:20:47.580 That's the job of being a politician.

01:20:49.560 It's putting the human face on policy.

01:20:51.720 Mr. Bayless, 15 seconds.

01:20:53.520 So with respect to productivity, I'm one of those people that says, what's best practices?

01:20:58.300 Now one of the leaders in productivity in the world is Ireland, and they have a very

01:21:01.980 clear axiom of belief.

01:21:04.040 Capital gains should be lower because it encourages investments.

01:21:07.780 Whether you're on the right or the left of the spectrum, they all know that.

01:21:11.020 keep their capital gains tax very low and that encourages the investments that they need for

01:21:15.180 productivity. Literally five seconds Mr Kearney. It's time to build we should support builders and

01:21:22.860 those are people who take risk for our country. Okay we are going to move on to our third theme

01:21:28.940 this evening I want to thank you for that last one it was a really good debate and we're going to

01:21:33.180 start with you Ms Gould on this one. This is a one minute so each of you are going to get one minute

01:21:39.180 to respond to this. In 2015, Justin Trudeau swept to power in large part because young Canadians,

01:21:46.180 they liked him, they voted for him. But fast forward to today, that age group is really moving

01:21:53.520 towards the right. What will you do as Prime Minister to win back the support of that age group?

01:22:00.620 Thanks, Hannah.

01:22:02.620 Well, maybe the debate so far is indicative of why young people are not supporting the Liberals right now.

01:22:10.620 Because we're not talking about the issues that matter to them.

01:22:13.620 We talked a little bit about housing, but that's one of the biggest challenges that young people are facing right now.

01:22:19.620 My plan to really supercharge our housing investments, but also to ensure that young people can actually enter the housing market will make a difference in that regard.

01:22:29.620 We're not talking about the cost of living on how challenging it is to be a young person these days and the dream of owning a home or having that prosperity that's just not there.

01:22:42.300 And if I can be honest, you know, one of the things that we did was we lost trust of younger people because we weren't focused on the issues that mattered to them.

01:22:51.100 And so my pledge as Prime Minister is to ensure that I am building a future for you as young people and for future generations.

01:23:00.420 Thank you, Ms. Gould.

01:23:01.260 Frank Billis, you're up next.

01:23:02.820 So for young people, there's a few things that are critically important.

01:23:06.380 First of all, let's talk about education. 0.91

01:23:08.580 We've done something very silly.

01:23:10.320 By the way, my one minute is not on.

01:23:12.120 Should it be on?

01:23:12.760 I'll keep track.

01:23:13.460 Okay.

01:23:14.180 Sorry about that.

01:23:15.500 That was very honest.

01:23:16.940 Yeah.

01:23:17.440 There we go.

01:23:17.980 There we go.

01:23:18.600 And you'll get those extra seconds.

01:23:19.920 No problem.

01:23:20.400 so what i was going to say is that first of all i want to see real investments in our universities 0.84

01:23:25.680 we've been squeezing our universities and quite frankly that's the dumbest thing we should be

01:23:29.280 doing because that's the foundation of an advanced economy so i want young people to know that i will

01:23:34.240 be completely supporting your education second thing is they are the ones that are going to find

01:23:39.280 it hardest to buy a home so we need to help them buy a home and there's two things we can do there

01:23:44.080 well there's many things but two things that i'm proposing is to increase the amount for the first

01:23:48.960 home savings account it hasn't kept up with inflation in that so we need to increase the

01:23:53.760 amount of money that people can put aside so they can buy a home and the second thing we need to do

01:23:58.560 is really keep the investments going which have been lacking for so long in social housing the

01:24:03.840 government's got out of social housing and there's a knock-on effect that affects everybody when that

01:24:08.480 happens so we need to get back into social housing we need to help young people buy their homes and 0.99

01:24:12.880 what we need to do when i get the government in order what will happen is you'll have more money

01:24:17.440 in your pocket it'll take a little bit of time but you will be able to buy a home. Ms Freeland your

01:24:22.240 one minute is now. Well I was there in 2015. I had been a backbench MP for two years and I remember

01:24:31.120 how electric that campaign was and the reason we won at the heart of it was we recognized the pain

01:24:41.760 that middle-class Canadians, including young Canadians, were feeling. And we recognized and

01:24:48.060 identified that Stephen Harper led a lackluster recovery from the 2008 financial crisis. We

01:24:57.180 pointed that out and we said we are going to invest for jobs and growth. Today, we need to

01:25:03.400 do the same thing and we need to focus on affordability for young people. I have a plan

01:25:07.900 to do that. Cut taxes for first-time homebuyers. Cut taxes for the middle class. 100,000 new

01:25:14.760 child care places. Cap credit card fees. We need to be there for young Canadians so that they can

01:25:22.420 know if they work hard, study hard in the free trade schools I will offer them, they can have

01:25:28.360 a great Canadian middle class life. Mr. Carney, you're next. Okay. Are we going to talk about

01:25:35.280 housing we're getting there okay good one is housing central to this but i want to add to

01:25:42.160 the opportunity set for younger canadians which has shrunk in recent years let's expand it let's

01:25:48.800 expand it in all aspects of what we're doing first and foremost it's a time to build as miss

01:25:54.000 freeland just said focus on infrastructure building this economy out there is a huge range

01:26:00.080 of opportunities that comes as i say for the next 25 years being in the trades

01:26:05.280 fantastic if we follow through with the promise there.

01:26:08.680 That's the first.

01:26:09.520 The second is, as Mr. Bayless said,

01:26:12.560 let's look at our universities.

01:26:13.580 Their funding is being squeezed and has been squeezed

01:26:17.260 and it's been made up by having foreign students.

01:26:20.100 That's come to an end.

01:26:21.560 We need to be there for our universities

01:26:23.260 or we're gonna miss the opportunity.

01:26:24.540 Thirdly, we need broad-based skills training.

01:26:28.400 The federal government has a role there.

01:26:29.980 We need to leverage AI and others to deliver it.

01:26:33.200 Okay, we are going into a five-minute debate now.

01:26:36.400 And Ms. Gould, I'm going to start with you again on this one.

01:26:38.740 This is from a Liberal in Ontario, Carissa.

01:26:42.800 She's asked the question in this survey,

01:26:46.820 how do you plan to make owning a home,

01:26:49.260 and there comes the question about home ownership,

01:26:51.260 feel like a possibility to those stuck in renter's land?

01:26:56.080 Thank you, Carissa, for that question.

01:26:58.240 So there are two parts of my comprehensive plan on housing.

01:27:02.560 One, create an industrial housing strategy so that we can build millions of new homes.

01:27:09.320 We can use modular homes.

01:27:10.640 We can invest in co-op housing.

01:27:12.560 But also to increase the first-time homebuyers incentive.

01:27:16.580 Right now, it's about 5% to 10%.

01:27:18.520 I want to increase that to 50% so that first-time homebuyers can actually get into the market, build equity, and buy back that equity over time.

01:27:28.460 But I want to pick up quickly on the last question, because I was actually a young person in 2015, and I was excited about what the Liberal Party of Canada was offering, and I was excited about Justin Trudeau's leadership.

01:27:41.740 And you know why?

01:27:42.900 Because it was a bold, ambitious plan for our country.

01:27:46.440 It was progressive.

01:27:47.780 We were going to fight.

01:27:48.560 We fought climate change.

01:27:50.040 We talked about new ideas to move this country forward.

01:27:53.700 And the way that we're going to bring young people back to the party is not by being conservative light and not by being unambitious for Canada.

01:28:02.380 It's going to be by having bold ideas for this country where Canadians feel inspired and hopeful about the future that we're going to have.

01:28:11.340 That's what young people are looking for.

01:28:13.240 They're looking for a hopeful future where those opportunities exist.

01:28:17.700 And, you know, I'm not quite still a young person, although I'm younger.

01:28:21.260 You know, it's that energy, that drive, that optimism for the future that is going to build the best country in the world.

01:28:28.820 Ms. Freeland, you're up next, please.

01:28:30.240 So first of all, I want to say, Carissa, thank you very much for being involved and for asking that question.

01:28:36.480 I hear that question from so many younger people who are just frustrated that they're worried that they've lost out on getting into the housing market.

01:28:46.420 and maybe the kind of life that their parents had

01:28:49.440 is not going to be available to them.

01:28:51.620 It is absolutely essential for us as a country

01:28:55.620 that we say, we're not going to let that happen.

01:28:58.860 And if young Canadians work hard, have a good job,

01:29:03.760 studied hard, and they want to own a home,

01:29:06.460 we have to make that dream of homeownership achievable.

01:29:09.680 I have a plan to do it.

01:29:11.260 It starts with cutting taxes for first-time homebuyers to give them a leg up in the housing

01:29:18.140 market.

01:29:18.960 I'm so glad to hear so many people mentioning the first home savings account.

01:29:22.420 I introduced that as finance minister.

01:29:24.960 I think it is a great way for young people to save for that first home, and I would increase

01:29:30.320 the amount of money that people can put in that first home savings account.

01:29:34.320 Free trade school is going to help people get that first home too, because it will mean

01:29:39.360 there are more skilled trades people to build those first homes people need and then finally

01:29:44.320 i just want to say some people are going to want to buy their own home some people want to live in

01:29:49.440 affordable housing or maybe a co-op i lived in a co-op one of my aunts still lives in the co-op 0.99

01:29:54.960 she and my mom helped build there is though someone in canada who does not believe in affordable

01:30:01.360 housing who does not believe in co-ops pier poliev has actually called them soviet style housing and

01:30:08.720 so we all need to be very very clear we must defeat him because some canadians need affordable

01:30:14.400 housing too mr bayless you're up next so i feel for these young people when i look at the house

01:30:19.920 prices i shake my head and think my gosh when i was buying a house i thought it was hard and it

01:30:24.560 was my first home was 195 000 it's almost shameful to say that now but what back then buying a home

01:30:32.000 was about four times your salary your annual salary it's gone up to now 10 times your salary

01:30:37.200 so what are we going to do about that well we're not going to bring house prices down then so we

01:30:43.120 need to get your salaries up and we need to get more money in your pocket and we need to bring

01:30:47.760 the cost of living back in line so what i'm proposing to do is there's a number of technical

01:30:53.520 issues which i've listed on my website but in a general sense i would say to young people start

01:30:58.640 saving if i become prime minister i'll get to work on the economy i'll create the good jobs

01:31:03.760 that you need just like I've done in my own businesses. You'll have more money in your

01:31:07.500 pockets and will get the cost of living under control. And in a few years with the home saving

01:31:11.800 plans and that, you will be able to buy a house. So please do not lose hope on that. Okay, Mr.

01:31:16.740 Carney, I'm going to end this segment on you, please. Okay. So we need to double the rate of

01:31:21.880 home building in this country. That 10 times salary point, we need to double the rate in order

01:31:27.960 to even have the places for those people.

01:31:31.680 We obviously need to get those incomes up at the same time.

01:31:35.140 So there's two questions here.

01:31:36.980 How do we get the rate of home building going from $250,000 a year to $500,000?

01:31:42.760 We're going to need changes to how we build homes.

01:31:46.600 Much more technology, much more modular homes.

01:31:48.760 We're going to need a big surge, as was just mentioned, in tradespeople who can build those

01:31:53.980 homes.

01:31:54.980 need to cut the fees in municipalities for developers the federal government has a role

01:32:00.100 to play there we have a housing accelerator fund that's working i would supercharge that as part of

01:32:04.500 this and then on the other side of the equation we need to make it more affordable particularly

01:32:09.860 for young people to buy those homes now removing gst on first-time home purchases that's five

01:32:16.020 percent off the home which is a substantial proportion of the down payment there's other

01:32:21.940 financing mechanisms that come with that but in the end and let me finish on this this will come

01:32:27.620 back to our ability to build a strong economy it's not just building the homes it's building

01:32:33.780 the strong economy so people can catch up we're going to move on to our next segment it's not the

01:32:38.580 segment another theme but this is an important topic canadians are worried they can't access

01:32:43.380 a doctor or a nurse what would you do as prime minister working with the provinces of course

01:32:49.860 because it is provincial jurisdiction and territories to help solve this issue.

01:32:54.580 And Mr. Carney, you are up first on this one.

01:32:56.700 Well, this is a crucial issue.

01:32:59.220 Across the country, virtually without exception, in fact, I would say without exception,

01:33:05.280 access to a doctor, in many cases access to a healthcare professional, is not possible.

01:33:13.420 Healthcare is a right in Canada.

01:33:15.220 We are not living up to our commitments.

01:33:18.860 And this is not as simple as saying, I'm not saying you implied this, that it's a provincial jurisdiction.

01:33:24.020 So first and foremost, we have to meet our responsibilities as the federal government in terms of the health care transfers, but we have to do a lot more.

01:33:31.720 We have to make sure, and we should be part of this, that health care professionals can move across this country as readily.

01:33:38.220 So a nurse in Quebec can go to Alberta, can go to Northwest Territories and practice immediately.

01:33:43.980 We have to make it easier for foreign health professionals to work more rapidly.

01:33:49.460 We have to increase productivity in the health sector.

01:33:53.140 Mr. Bayless has ideas on that, including on portable data, portable health records, which are crucial,

01:34:00.260 but a broader use of AI and us, last point, us as a federal government,

01:34:04.620 accelerating those changes to deliver what Canadians deserve as Canadians, and we're nowhere close yet.

01:34:11.120 Ms. Gould, you have one minute on the clock now.

01:34:13.220 Thank you. My goodness. I mean this is something that every Canadian has experienced. The anxiety of not being able to have a family doctor or worried and what we're seeing across the country is emergency rooms that are closed or that are understaffed and hallway medicine.

01:34:30.800 This is absolutely a provincial jurisdiction, but the federal government has an important role to play in two regards.

01:34:39.360 When it comes to health transfers, we need greater accountability from provinces, not to the federal government, but to their own citizens on the outcomes and the outcomes that they expect to deliver for their citizens.

01:34:53.960 And then when the federal government can do is convene provinces and territories and colleges to ensure that our health care workers can travel across the country, but we also expeditiously can recognize foreign trained doctors and health care professionals so that every Canadian has access to a family doctor and the medical specialist that they need when they need it.

01:35:14.880 Mr. Bayliss, your one minute is on the clock.

01:35:16.620 So I've spent 40 years of my career in the healthcare industry and I can give you examples

01:35:21.840 where I've walked through emergency rooms down the hallways and I've seen people in

01:35:26.080 gurneys up and down there and it's broken my heart.

01:35:28.620 So I'm absolutely committed to fixing the healthcare system.

01:35:31.800 What we need is a change in paradigm.

01:35:34.340 Our system was designed in the 1960s when population generally was younger and it was

01:35:39.640 designed for acute care.

01:35:41.520 Now we have a chronic care problem.

01:35:43.620 So we need to redesign our system to treat chronic care.

01:35:46.620 Presently there's only two doorways into the system. If you're lucky you have a family doctor

01:35:51.580 and if you're not, what do they tell you to do? Go to the emergency room. So what I want to do is

01:35:56.940 open three more doors into the system. I want to go to pharmacists first of all and expand their

01:36:02.860 scope of practice. They can do so much I want them to do a lot more which they're trained to do.

01:36:07.900 Number two, I want to train 6,000 nurses to become what we call nurse practitioners. 0.98

01:36:13.180 that would allow them to do almost as much as a doctor and have them staffed across the country

01:36:17.980 and finally i want to invest in home care and miss freeland one minute for you as well um well thank

01:36:24.460 you hannah and i want to start by thanking the great hard-working people in the canadian healthcare

01:36:31.740 system a few days ago i spoke to a nurse practitioner her name was kathy in riding

01:36:37.340 mountain hi kathy i hope you're listening she's a liberal um and she talked to me about how much

01:36:42.620 she loves her job and cares for her patients but how much of a strain the strain on the healthcare

01:36:48.620 system imposes on her too so thank you very much we do have to make it better we have to make it

01:36:56.060 better by training more doctors nurses nurse practitioners here in canada by recognizing

01:37:02.700 foreign credentials and by allowing credentials to be portable across the country by inviting the

01:37:08.540 great doctors and nurses, Canadian ones in the U.S. who want to come home, encouraging

01:37:14.700 them to come home, making it possible.

01:37:17.900 And finally, we need to be clear with Canadians who care about their health care system.

01:37:22.680 You cannot trust Pierre Polyev with our universal single-payer health care system.

01:37:28.580 All he believes in is cuts, cuts, cuts, and that is one of the things that motivates me

01:37:34.980 as a liberal to defeat the conservatives in the next election we are going to go into an

01:37:39.620 open debate section here on this and mr bayless yes i will start with you on this one i want to

01:37:44.660 ask a follow-up question on it is it simply a question of money when it comes to health care

01:37:49.700 and transfer payments increasing that money because i know provinces would love to have

01:37:54.100 more money for health care or does the structure of the health care system need to change

01:37:59.300 so a few years ago the federal government announced something like 40 billion dollars

01:38:04.820 more in healthcare spending and nobody went great finally it's solved we all shook our heads and said

01:38:10.260 great we're just shoveling more money into the fire because we do need to change the paradigm

01:38:15.300 now the wonderful thing i can tell you is that i have seen the technologies that can do that

01:38:20.180 develop right here in canada i'm working with one company i'm supporting and that they've developed

01:38:25.540 is amazing in terms of electronic medical records using artificial intelligence to wrap around and

01:38:31.860 read all your records anywhere they are and produce reports accordingly i've seen other ai

01:38:37.540 developments in canada again where they allow doctors to spend a lot less time note-taking in

01:38:43.220 fact no time note-taking and everything collage put together for them and doctors can be doctors

01:38:49.300 so we have the technology here we have the ability to go forward here this is what i'm going to bring

01:38:54.980 to the healthcare system and when i'm done we are going to have the best healthcare system in the

01:39:00.340 world believe it ms gould your next one this one thank you hannah look universal health care and 0.91

01:39:08.500 acts timely access to our health system is something that every canadian deserves and

01:39:14.660 should have and it was a liberal government that put universal health care in place we can be very

01:39:20.020 very proud of that legacy however when it comes to the actual system it is the provinces and the

01:39:27.140 territories that manage and deliver care the federal government provides transfers but what

01:39:33.940 we don't do enough of and while i support the increase in transfers that we did we didn't have

01:39:39.140 enough accountability for where that money was going it can go into the general revenues of

01:39:43.620 provinces and territories and we have no way of knowing how that money is spent and again it's not

01:39:48.420 to be accountable to the federal government. It's to be accountable to citizens. Citizens deserve to

01:39:54.100 know how that money is being spent and what the outcomes they can expect are. One of the things

01:40:00.020 that I did with the child care agreements is that all of that money was contingent on specific

01:40:05.460 objectives and outcomes for provinces and territories. That's what we need in healthcare.

01:40:10.660 Canadians deserve timely access to a doctor. They deserve to have a family doctor or a primary care

01:40:17.620 physician. And they deserve to know that when they get sick, when they need the healthcare system,

01:40:22.820 it's there for them. Because our healthcare workers are working around the clock. They are

01:40:28.100 doing everything they can to provide patients the care that they need. But the system itself needs

01:40:33.940 to be modernized. The federal government can convene the provinces and territories. We can

01:40:38.900 work with them to develop those objectives and those outcomes. But at the end of the day,

01:40:43.940 It is the provinces and territories that are responsible for the delivery of health care,

01:40:48.780 and they must be accountable to their citizens for how they are doing that.

01:40:53.280 Mr. Carney, you're up next, please.

01:40:54.640 So look at the service that we've received from our health care professionals

01:41:00.300 over the course of the last five years.

01:41:02.640 The enormous strains of working under the pandemic,

01:41:06.400 then the enormous strains that come after that on these professionals

01:41:10.000 We're there at the front lines for us, day in, day out, through the night, of a system that is short on resources, a system that has chronic care challenges as we age.

01:41:23.840 We have a responsibility, as the federal government, to be part of the solution here, and we have an opportunity to make a systemic change because of technology, and if we have an openness, the provinces have an openness, to use that in a way that empowers nurse practitioners, pharmacists, doctors, to provide a broader range of services

01:41:51.840 to more people, more effectively, last point, the federal government can help with that transition,

01:42:00.040 can help with the leverage, and can help drive that change.

01:42:03.500 Ms. Freeland.

01:42:05.440 Well, Hannah, you asked, does money matter? And I do think it's really important for liberals

01:42:15.720 in particular, to be clear, money does matter, and money helps. And so I was really glad to be

01:42:25.600 finance minister when we stepped up federal government support for the health care system,

01:42:31.160 $200 billion. We saw that the health care system was under unbearable strain after COVID,

01:42:38.500 and that Canadians were suffering, and we stepped up and we made that commitment.

01:42:42.720 I think we also have some real opportunities. Technology is a huge enabler, and I have seen

01:42:51.340 in Toronto, at the University of Toronto, some amazing AI technologies being used to deliver

01:42:57.860 better care in emergency rooms, better care for people after surgery, and not only is the care

01:43:04.360 better, it costs less money and takes less time of trained healthcare professionals. So there are

01:43:09.660 real opportunities but I just want to conclude by saying something about the provinces. I think

01:43:15.220 that transparency you know is the winning ticket here and having real transparency on health care

01:43:23.960 outcomes across the country would help all Canadians and it would help Canadians to see

01:43:29.140 what's working and what isn't. But I do want to say to the premiers of the provinces and territories

01:43:34.020 I respect your work running the health care systems.

01:43:38.320 It's really, really hard.

01:43:41.020 And as Prime Minister, I would work really collaboratively with you and would recognize you want a health care system that works too.

01:43:49.680 And you are the ones who are running it.

01:43:51.760 We are going to give 15 seconds to Ms. Gould and 15 seconds to Mr. Bayless before moving into the next theme.

01:43:57.640 Great, thank you.

01:43:58.320 so first of all my job as prime minister is to stand up for canadians whether that is to the

01:44:03.440 opposition or whether that is to premiers of course i would work collaboratively but you

01:44:07.600 have a responsibility to your citizens to deliver health care effectively but one thing that i think

01:44:13.680 all of us agree on on this stage is protecting our public health care system here polia is in

01:44:19.600 the pockets of people who want to privatize our health care system for profit that is not something

01:44:25.360 that i think any liberal stands for we will protect our universal health care system for

01:44:29.840 canadian frank bales so in the 1960s when the system was designed if you're unlucky enough

01:44:34.960 to have diabetes heart disease cancer you passed away much earlier today we have extended your life

01:44:41.520 expectancy now with that that's the paradigm change that we need our system wasn't designed

01:44:46.800 to look after those people so we need to readapt it redesign it to look after those people that's

01:44:51.760 how we'll have better health care and it'll actually cost less okay i want to thank you for

01:44:56.720 that third theme we're going to move into our final theme of this evening it has been whipping

01:45:01.280 by i must say uh and this is again a one minute question for everyone and it is again a question

01:45:07.360 from one liberal from alberta her name's rhonda she says are you keeping and we did hear this

01:45:14.400 in the french debate last night but not in the english so far are you keeping or getting rid

01:45:19.280 of the consumer tax but to that most of you here have supported this marquee government policy

01:45:27.280 for years if you agree with ending it why do you agree with ending it now so i am going to start

01:45:35.200 with mr carney on this one thank you uh thank you hannah thank you rhonda for this question fellow

01:45:40.080 l burden um yes i support ending the consumer carbon tax and to be absolutely clear that's on

01:45:46.320 consumers, it'd be on small businesses, it'd be on farms as well. The reason I do is twofold. One,

01:45:53.200 politics is about people and this has become too divisive for Canadians. Secondly,

01:46:01.040 the contribution of the consumer carbon tax is a little less than 10 percent of our emissions

01:46:06.000 reductions. I've spent a substantial portion of my career working on these issues and there are

01:46:11.280 are better ways to accomplish those emissions reductions, particularly on my proposal, is that

01:46:18.040 big polluters will pay Canadians, not taxpayers, big polluters will pay Canadians for their emission

01:46:25.380 reductions and will improve the options for and the ability of those companies, or some of our

01:46:31.500 most important companies, to get their own emissions down. Okay, we're going to come back

01:46:34.980 and debate this more, but Ms. Freeland, you are next with one minute. Well, since we're talking

01:46:39.600 about climate action I do want to start by recognizing the role that I think history is

01:46:46.080 going to judge very positively that Prime Minister Trudeau has played on climate action. He is the

01:46:53.680 first Canadian Prime Minister to really move the dial and under his leadership we have become a

01:47:00.320 country where the economy is growing while emissions are going down. That is a huge accomplishment for

01:47:06.580 our children and grandchildren. On the consumer price on pollution, I was the first candidate to

01:47:12.820 come out and say I would lift that. And the reason is really simple. Democracy is about listening to

01:47:19.400 people. And Canadians were very clear with us in conversations with me that they didn't think that

01:47:26.660 policy worked for them. What we need is carrots. We need incentives to double down on the incentives

01:47:32.980 I put in place the Canada Growth Fund, the investment tax credits to create a green transition

01:47:39.860 that delivers jobs and growth for the Canadian economy. I know that we can do that and I know

01:47:46.120 that that's what Canadians need. And if we let Pierre Polyev be elected, that will be the end

01:47:52.720 of climate action in Canada. Okay, we're on the one minute segment and Mr. Bayless, you're up next.

01:47:57.020 Thank you. So I will implement a climate policy that will have a direct and tangible impact on

01:48:02.380 fighting climate change and it's going to be recognized as we've all heard before polluter

01:48:06.980 pays model and everyone is going to do their share industries and individuals look there's a cost to

01:48:14.240 having our garbage collected there's a cost to having water treatment plants and we're happy to

01:48:20.300 pay those costs because we have clean earth and we have clean water and there will be a cost to

01:48:26.080 having clean air anyone who tells you there's no cost to it is not being honest with you

01:48:30.220 So to answer your question about this carbon tax, presently it's not working because what it's doing is just circulating money around.

01:48:38.540 So I'm going to adapt it. And what we're going to do is attack the problem directly.

01:48:44.220 So I'm going to invest funds into programs and Canadian companies that are bringing forth solutions to fight climate change directly.

01:48:53.140 And Karina Gould, you have said that you are not going to scrap the consumer carbon tax,

01:48:58.260 that you will stop the increase in April. Maybe discuss that a bit.

01:49:03.540 Sure. Well, politics is also about leadership and it's also about conviction. And I'm not going to

01:49:10.020 abandon the fight against climate change because Pierre Polyev is telling us to do that. I'm a mom

01:49:16.180 of two young kids. I cannot leave a planet that is burning to them. I got into politics in 2015

01:49:23.940 because I wanted to be part of a government that fought climate change. And we did that. And we did

01:49:29.380 that to great effect. And I am proud of that record. But I hear Canadians when they say that 0.95

01:49:35.280 this policy is something that is challenging for them. And you know what? We didn't do a good job

01:49:40.080 of talking about it. And when they are talking about the carbon tax, what are they talking about?

01:49:44.440 they're talking about affordability that's why we need a real affordability plan it's not that

01:49:49.780 they're against fighting climate change or they're against protecting the environment

01:49:53.120 but that also means that if you don't have the price on pollution you don't have the rebate

01:49:58.340 checks that millions of canadians depend on every single year if you have a fight if you have a plan

01:50:06.240 to fight climate change you also need to have a plan to fight affordability yeah we are okay

01:50:11.060 Let's just get right into the debate because Mr. Karniko.

01:50:14.280 I want to pick up on that point, last point, and really go to Pierre Polyev, the difference

01:50:20.920 between Pierre Polyev's approach here.

01:50:23.160 Ask the tax, he's got the t-shirt, he's got the slogan, that's all he'd do.

01:50:26.540 He doesn't care about the rebate checks disappearing.

01:50:29.460 He doesn't care about our businesses becoming more competitive.

01:50:33.760 We started this evening talking about the absolute need for our country to diversify

01:50:39.600 our trade to build with new allies climate change addressing climate change and i've spent

01:50:46.320 huge part of my career addressing it both in terms of policy and leading the largest clean

01:50:54.480 energy investor in the world okay but a big part of climate change is about the economic

01:51:01.920 opportunity we will not have access to the european market unless we make the progress here

01:51:06.880 So we have to do two things.

01:51:08.420 We have to supercharge some of the programs that have been put in place.

01:51:13.780 So businesses are getting their emissions down.

01:51:19.920 We are a clean energy superpower.

01:51:22.560 And we have to make all of those households whole on the rebate checks that they will no longer receive.

01:51:28.620 That requires a middle class tax cut.

01:51:30.800 It requires additional measures, including, final point, polluters paying those households.

01:51:36.880 so their energy is more affordable and cleaner we have two minutes and 30

01:51:41.740 seconds on the clock and we're gonna have to stick to this so I want to get

01:51:44.500 through all of you miss Freeland first Rhonda you asked something very specific

01:51:50.080 what was the moment when I recognized that we needed a different approach and

01:51:56.980 I can tell you very specifically what that moment was it was a meeting I had

01:52:01.780 with Wab Kanu, the premier of Manitoba, really shortly after he was elected. And he is a great

01:52:10.020 progressive leader in, I would say, the tradition of prairie progressives. He says the economic

01:52:15.780 horse has to pull the social cart. I love that. And he said to me, I believe in climate action,

01:52:23.140 but I've just been through an election and the people of Manitoba are telling me that the way

01:52:28.980 the consumer price on pollution works doesn't work for them can i do a deal with the federal

01:52:34.740 government where we hit our targets but we do it in a different way and that to me is leadership

01:52:42.500 leadership is listening to people it is not being inflexible and not telling people what their lives

01:52:52.420 are like, but hearing them. And so I really believe if we want climate action, which is

01:52:59.640 essential, we have to listen to Canadians. And if we fail to do that, the threat is,

01:53:05.800 the danger is that Pierre Polyev will be elected and he will dismantle all of the excellent work

01:53:14.260 we have done on climate. We have to recognize that. We have to show Canadians we hear them

01:53:19.220 and that we're listening to what they tell us

01:53:21.240 rather than telling them what they should be thinking.

01:53:23.620 Okay, I'm going to jump in there

01:53:24.840 because we do have to stick to time now.

01:53:27.020 Ms. Gould, you're on next.

01:53:28.300 Thank you so much.

01:53:29.900 So just a couple of things with respect to my colleagues.

01:53:33.380 Literally the whole reason why we have the carbon tax backstop

01:53:37.940 is because premiers across this country

01:53:40.260 decided they didn't want to participate.

01:53:42.500 So if Manitoba wants to participate,

01:53:45.060 then the consumer price on carbon

01:53:46.860 from the federal government disappears.

01:53:49.220 That's what happens in Quebec.

01:53:50.680 That's what happens in British Columbia.

01:53:52.780 With respect to Mark and the middle class tax cut,

01:53:56.780 the math just doesn't add up.

01:53:58.700 If you are a middle class individual,

01:54:00.640 that tax cut is looking at about $800 a year.

01:54:03.840 The carbon rebate for a family of four is $1,200 a year.

01:54:08.620 And it doesn't help low income or no income Canadians.

01:54:12.460 So it is really important to have a real conversation

01:54:16.180 with Canadians.

01:54:17.200 And if you don't have a plan for those checks, then we don't have a plan for affordability.

01:54:21.900 I'm going to come to you now, Mr. Bayless.

01:54:24.520 We are going to go into the one minute segment, but it's a good follow up to this.

01:54:28.260 I know you wanted to jump in to maximize Canada's energy advantage, new pipelines or other energy infrastructure probably is required here.

01:54:38.500 What is your plan for that?

01:54:40.160 And do you feel there is the private interest to get it done?

01:54:44.580 because a lot of private interest has now just gone, nope, not interested anymore.

01:54:50.060 So I have an energy security plan, which I've announced, and it's going to do a number of

01:54:54.300 things. First of all, as I mentioned, we're going to build two pipelines. And why private industry

01:54:59.360 is not interested is because what happens is every time a new government comes in,

01:55:03.300 they change all the rules. There's no certainty. So my idea here is that the federal government

01:55:08.320 will take on the responsibility of having the approvals for the two corridors. We'll work with

01:55:12.980 the provinces and we'll work with the indigenous communities, get all the approvals in place and

01:55:18.440 then go to tender so people can know with certainty that they can build these two pipelines.

01:55:23.460 That's one area of energy security. Another one is I want to invest heavily in nuclear energy,

01:55:29.500 small modular reactors. Canada used to be a world leader with our can-do reactors and nuclear energy.

01:55:35.280 We have to retake that position. Third thing I want to do is invest in transmission lines.

01:55:40.420 We don't have transmission lines going across the whole country.

01:55:43.940 With the electrification of our economy, we're going to need those.

01:55:47.500 So those are the three points I want to bring to the table.

01:55:50.040 Frank Bayless, thank you kindly for that.

01:55:51.880 And Mark Carney, you're up next.

01:55:54.160 I'll go back to where we started.

01:55:56.920 We're in a crisis.

01:55:58.240 We need to act.

01:55:59.240 We need to act to build this economy.

01:56:00.960 And part of those actions is or should be around our energy sector.

01:56:05.740 I would convene, as part of First Minister's discussion of the projects of national interest, which would include both clean and conventional energy, would include pipelines, getting consensus around those projects that we're going to move forward on.

01:56:23.660 Because we are a federation, we need multiple levels of government, but we need speed.

01:56:27.660 And we need the federal government to move with speed.

01:56:31.300 We also need to do, and we can do, and can lead in areas such as carbon capture and storage.

01:56:39.200 We can lead in displacing the 70% of oil in eastern Canada that comes from the United States

01:56:46.840 that is using the money to threaten us.

01:56:50.060 So this is part of a bigger set of opportunities for Canada.

01:56:54.380 I'd help to lead those changes, and I would do it right from the start.

01:56:58.340 Ms. Freeland, your one-minute starts.

01:56:59.720 I do want to go back to the critical moment our country is facing to the existential threat

01:57:08.560 that President Trump poses to our economy, to our sovereignty.

01:57:14.260 And Canadians get that. 0.65

01:57:16.200 One of the reasons I am so confident that we can get through this and that we can get

01:57:23.260 a good deal, that actually we can successfully negotiate with President Trump, is because

01:57:28.400 we are an energy superpower. Uranium, hydro, wind, traditional energy. This is a strength and we need

01:57:40.340 to double down on it. I am very proud to be the minister that got access for our energy to the

01:57:48.660 Pacific. That diversification is so valuable today. It gives us an alternative to the United 0.96

01:57:55.420 We need that more than ever.

01:57:57.460 I believe there is the national will right now

01:58:00.460 in Canada to double down on our energy strength

01:58:04.460 to use that as a source of economic security

01:58:07.440 and also of national security, including as

01:58:10.440 something that we can offer to our European

01:58:13.440 and Asian allies whose support we need for our

01:58:16.440 own security.

01:58:18.440 Okay, Karina Gould, one minute.

01:58:21.440 Thank you.

01:58:22.440 Energy security is imperative not just for

01:58:25.420 security but also for our sovereignty and as Canadians we know how to do

01:58:30.340 something really well we know how to skate to where the puck is going and so

01:58:34.900 that means that we need to have a conversation right now about what

01:58:38.140 securing our energy future looks like both with traditional energy but also

01:58:42.760 with new renewable energy if we think about where we're going to be in 5-10

01:58:48.020 years where our trading partners are going to be in 5 or 10 years we have to

01:58:52.480 have a real conversation about what Canada can provide for Canadians, but also for the world.

01:58:57.980 I'm from Southern Ontario, and we have incredible technology when it comes to nuclear. We have an

01:59:04.040 amazing opportunity to build renewable energy here at home, but also to export our energy and our

01:59:12.000 expertise around the world. This is the conversation for Canadians to be having right now, and to do

01:59:18.220 it with provinces and territories and with indigenous peoples we are going to go into the

01:59:23.980 that was the one minute debate we are going to go into the five minute final debate of the evening

01:59:29.620 and this is a question you can take it wherever you want how will you differentiate yourself

01:59:35.560 from the current prime minister justin trudeau uh start with yourself miss freeland i just i'm

01:59:42.520 actually going to carry on with the previous theme because we haven't touched on something

01:59:50.720 really important to Canada and that actually is an integral part of our energy security future

01:59:57.860 and is a really positive story. And that is Indigenous participation in energy projects.

02:00:05.280 One of the things I was so proud to be able to do as finance minister is create a $5 billion

02:00:12.260 Indigenous loan guarantee program to allow Indigenous direct participation, ownership of natural

02:00:20.580 resource projects, energy projects. This is transformational for Canada. And I think that we

02:00:27.420 really need to embrace the fact that we are a country that can move forward with Indigenous

02:00:33.780 prosperity. And we are a country whose path to reconciliation can include Indigenous people in

02:00:40.160 Canada being partners in building the energy security we need today more than ever. Okay thanks

02:00:45.720 and I will come back with that other question so I'm going to go back to my original question in

02:00:49.380 this debate how will you differentiate yourself from Prime Minister Trudeau? Sure let me just first

02:00:54.020 start by saying that I think it's wonderful what you raised Christia it's just that Indigenous 1.00

02:00:58.280 reconciliation is about more than a relationship with natural resources and this is something that

02:01:03.980 I think we can be extraordinarily proud of the legacy that Prime Minister Trudeau has put in

02:01:09.160 place when it comes to reconciliation. And we need to be very mindful that a Pierre Polyev-led

02:01:14.700 Conservative government will back away and backtrack on this really important relationship

02:01:20.220 that Canada has with Indigenous peoples. And I also just want to say that I'm actually really

02:01:26.380 proud of a lot of the work that we did as a government, whether it was the Canada Child

02:01:31.500 Benefit that has lifted over half a million kids out of poverty, the early learning and child care

02:01:36.860 agreements or the work that we did on fighting climate change. I'm proud of that legacy and that

02:01:43.900 record and I think all Liberals can be proud of that. Where I see a big difference is in making

02:01:51.020 sure that we stay and I stay connected to the grassroots and this is something that as Liberals

02:01:56.920 I want to talk to you specifically about. We need to hear your voices, we need to hear your ideas

02:02:02.520 Because it is always the liberal membership, the liberal grassroots that provides the next big idea for Canada and for Canadians.

02:02:11.400 And so my pledge to you is to ensure that we have a robust and vibrant party that is connected in our communities,

02:02:19.260 listening to Canadians and making sure that we can build that future that we want and lead Canada ambitiously into the 21st century.

02:02:28.520 So that's how you'll differentiate yourself from Mr. Trudeau?

02:02:33.000 I'm very proud of the record that we have. We've made some mistakes, absolutely. Nobody is perfect

02:02:38.840 but we've done a lot of good things for this country and I think we need to build on that

02:02:43.720 success. I can pinpoint the moment following the pandemic when inflation was getting out of control

02:02:50.040 and Canadians were saying to all of us collectively as a government they were saying we need help with

02:02:55.560 the cost of living and we were too late to the game to address those real needs. My pledge to

02:03:01.080 you is to listen to you and to respond to what your needs are today and for the future thank

02:03:06.120 you miss gould mr bayless you're up next how you differentiate yourself from mr trudeau so i would

02:03:11.720 say that i'm the candidate here that is the most distant from mr trudeau i was elected it was over

02:03:16.920 six years ago since i've been in the government and then i was not a minister so i've not been

02:03:21.560 a minister with mr trudeau's government nor have i have i been an economic advisor where i will

02:03:26.920 differentiated myself greatly is that I'll be focused much more on the economy. I'll be focused

02:03:32.620 on creating wealth. I'll be focused on getting more money into Canadians' pockets. That's what

02:03:38.200 I'm good at. I'm also going to look at building an innovation-based economy. So I really wanted

02:03:42.760 to do that. That's going to be my main focus. You need both when you're in government. You need

02:03:47.240 wealth creation and you need wealth redistribution. We've done a lot of wealth redistribution to the

02:03:53.140 point that we're renouncing programs we can't even pay for. And we're letting programs such as

02:03:58.000 healthcare fall apart. So what I want to do is get back in there. I'm a big supporter of these

02:04:02.540 programs. So I want to make sure we have the funds to pay for them. That's going to be where I'm

02:04:06.320 going to be much different from the previous government. Okay, Mr. Bayless, thank you for

02:04:10.200 that. Mr. Carney, you're up next. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Look,

02:04:14.080 I'm different in the following respects. First, focus on the economy. Laser focus on the economy,

02:04:24.080 and that means good jobs, people's wages growing faster than inflation. It means getting prices

02:04:30.960 down. It means building homes. It means building a future for this country. Secondly, I'm much more

02:04:36.720 hands-on. I'm much more of a hands-on person, hands-on manager. I focus on results and getting

02:04:42.700 things done. Thirdly, and I've heard this, I'm fortunate to have support in the caucus. I hear

02:04:49.240 directly from the supporters about more regular and two-way dialogue with the caucus. I meet with

02:04:56.560 my supporters virtually during the course of this leadership campaign to hear their ideas,

02:05:02.940 to hear their energy, to hear what's going on, what they're seeing on the ground, to share my

02:05:06.720 perspectives in order to move forward. Okay, and Ms. Rieland, I am going to come back to you on this

02:05:11.360 I only have about 30 seconds on this.

02:05:13.760 How would you differentiate yourself

02:05:15.900 after being in the Justin Trudeau government

02:05:18.300 for all of these years?

02:05:19.800 Well, first of all,

02:05:21.640 we as Liberals have to be proud

02:05:24.480 of the great things our government has done.

02:05:26.880 National system of early learning and childcare,

02:05:29.440 Canada child benefit, support for seniors,

02:05:32.620 CETA, NAFTA, we have done a lot

02:05:35.320 and we need to remind Canadians about that.

02:05:38.180 But, you know, for me,

02:05:39.660 this campaign has been a personal liberation and I am my own person and it is great. I personally

02:05:48.980 do not believe in a style of leadership which is a one-man band. I think that the best kind

02:05:56.260 of leadership is collaborative and listening and that's how I'm running my campaign. I believe that

02:06:02.380 we have to be practical and we have to focus on jobs and growth but most importantly I am

02:06:09.380 a ferocious mother and I will fight for Canada with the same ferocity that I fight for my kids.

02:06:18.840 I will fight for your kids too and the reason I am running is I am the leader who can stand up

02:06:24.860 to Donald Trump and win. Okay we still have closing statements as well so this is that

02:06:31.360 opportunity for each candidate. I may have to take some time away because of that and Ms. Freeland

02:06:36.220 You are chosen as number one to have your closing statement first, so your minute 30 is there.

02:06:43.480 We might have to clip it a little bit.

02:06:46.080 Well, first of all, I do hope Donald Trump, who takes a keen interest in Canada, is watching this debate

02:06:53.180 because what he will hear from all the Liberals is, we believe in Canada, we are not going to capitulate,

02:07:01.420 and we are going to fight for our country.

02:07:04.280 And Canadians across the country are coming together to fight for Canada. Hockey fans are

02:07:10.840 belting out O Canada. Restaurants pulling U.S. wine from their menus. Snowbirds not flying south

02:07:18.760 this winter. Our country is standing strong, smart and united. I am so grateful to be here with three

02:07:27.240 other liberals who love Canada and to have the chance to talk to 400,000 liberals who love Canada

02:07:34.520 too. Now, Pierre Polyev, he actually agrees with Trump. They both say that Canada is broken.

02:07:42.840 We know that's not true. We are leading a great wave of Canadian patriotism.

02:07:50.520 Let's use that passion to make our amazing country even better. I know we can do it. Let's

02:07:58.360 commit tonight to fight for Canada. All four of us on this stage, all of us liberals, all of us

02:08:05.960 Canadians. Together, we will win. Krista Freeland, thank you so much for your closing statements.

02:08:13.720 It's now Karina Gould, your time.

02:08:16.720 This is a critical time for our party and for our country.

02:08:21.120 And we have to meet this moment.

02:08:23.460 We will only win the next election by being liberals,

02:08:27.460 proudly, not conservative light.

02:08:30.500 Not by running from the progress we've made,

02:08:32.740 not by putting forward ideas that just tinker around the edges.

02:08:36.720 We need, we deserve, a leader who is honest with Canadians,

02:08:41.480 who can unite us around big ideas

02:08:43.880 and who has the political experience

02:08:45.640 to deliver real solutions to the problems we face.

02:08:49.360 A leader with a track record of standing up to bullies,

02:08:52.160 a leader who won't back down.

02:08:54.480 I've always been someone who will stand by what I believe in,

02:08:57.400 say what I mean and fight for what is right.

02:09:00.280 I've made the hard decisions and stood up for Canadians.

02:09:03.960 I believe Canada is the best place in the world

02:09:06.800 to start a family, grow a business and build a future.

02:09:10.740 Because we are a nation of dreamers and doers,

02:09:13.780 creators and innovators.

02:09:15.700 Because Canada is where opportunity, empathy,

02:09:18.220 and progress walk hand in hand.

02:09:20.660 I have a vision for Canada,

02:09:22.460 one that will allow us to deal with the problems

02:09:24.800 we face today and be ready for those we'll face tomorrow.

02:09:28.800 It's time for a new generation of leadership

02:09:31.460 that understands you and is focused on you.

02:09:34.900 I'm here for Canada today, tomorrow, and for years to come.

02:09:39.420 I'm the leader for the future and the future starts now.

02:09:42.900 Thank you.

02:09:43.820 Karina Gould, thank you so much.

02:09:45.940 Frank Bayliss, you're up next.

02:09:47.500 Thank you.

02:09:49.020 So Canada is a country of wide open spaces and big ideas.

02:09:52.620 And with my plan, we will build a strong and resilient economy

02:09:56.660 that will benefit all Canadians.

02:09:59.460 We will improve our healthcare system

02:10:00.980 and it will become the best healthcare system in the world.

02:10:05.100 We will modernize our federal government

02:10:06.700 so they can deliver its services to our citizens

02:10:09.480 in a very effective and efficient manner.

02:10:12.400 And yes, we will repel,

02:10:14.880 and we will overcome the attacks of President Trump.

02:10:19.140 Now, in the last 10 years, the world has changed profoundly.

02:10:24.080 And now, as a country, we need to go in a new direction.

02:10:29.380 As you look to choose your next leader,

02:10:31.380 I would ask you to reflect on these three points.

02:10:33.780 I have the best, most credible plan to build a strong, resilient economy.

02:10:40.320 I'm best suited to defeat Pierre Polyev and expose him for exactly what he is.

02:10:45.800 He's a career politician who likes to make up slogans and nothing else.

02:10:50.680 And I have the background, the experience, and the expertise to firmly stand up to President Trump.

02:10:57.360 I will successfully defend our nation.

02:10:59.660 I will defend against his attacks on our economy, on our culture, and yes, our sovereignty.

02:11:06.620 My fellow citizens, I represent that new direction.

02:11:10.900 So, let's be bold. Let's be ambitious.

02:11:14.280 Together we will build a proud and prosperous Canada.

02:11:17.520 My name is Frank Bayless, and to make this happen, I need your support.

02:11:22.440 Mr. Bayless, thank you so much for your closing statement.

02:11:25.340 And finally, we go to Mark Kearney.

02:11:27.280 Thank you, Hannah.

02:11:28.880 fellow liberals my fellow canadians from coast to coast to coast you've told me that you're anxious

02:11:36.240 in the face of an uncertain future you've told me that you're looking for positive change

02:11:42.640 that you want a leader that bridges divides you want a plan that defends our interests

02:11:49.200 and creates opportunities for everyone every experience in my life whether by accident or

02:11:55.360 design has led me to this moment I'm ready it's true I'm not a career

02:12:01.720 politician I am a pragmatist who knows how to get things done I've managed

02:12:08.260 economic crises built strong economies and run tough negotiations and this

02:12:14.080 gives me the experience to lead Canada at this crucial time we're facing a very

02:12:20.840 different world to the one we've known all our lives. The Canadians are ready

02:12:26.680 to unite and stand up for our country. We will seize this moment to win for

02:12:35.780 Canada. I love our country. Canada has given me everything. My family, my

02:12:44.780 education, my values, and in return, I'm ready to give everything for Canada. Thank you.

02:12:56.540 Okay, that brings us to the end of the English Liberal leadership debate. I want to thank all

02:13:02.460 four candidates for a great job this evening. Voting does start tomorrow. I know, I know,

02:13:09.340 and then the announcement of the next leader of the Liberal Party will be made on

02:13:14.060 march the 9th in ottawa so congratulations to all of you for putting your name in to do this

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