Juno News - LIVE： Liberal insiders “select” Canada’s new Prime Minister

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00:01:30.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show, a special edition because we are

00:01:40.160 going live here Sunday evening to bring you the leadership results for the Liberal Party of

00:01:45.400 Canada's leadership race. I think at this point it's sort of a foregone conclusion. I highly

00:01:50.480 suspect that Mark Carney will be selected. He will become Canada's first totally unelected

00:01:56.120 prime minister catapulted in by the world economic forum here to save us i guess from bankruptcy or

00:02:02.440 maybe just restructure us as part of a bankruptcy don't exactly know what it will look like but i

00:02:06.840 really hope we go to a general election very quickly we'll bring you the results we'll bring

00:02:10.680 you the show we've got some special guests joining us as well very pleased to be joined as well by

00:02:15.160 kian bexie my co-founder here at juno news kian welcome to the show it's great to be here as

00:02:21.000 As always, I'm excited to see what happens today.

00:02:23.320 As you said, Mark Carney is the anointed one.

00:02:26.480 We'll see exactly how much he wins it by is my guess.

00:02:32.200 I'm thinking around 75% on the first ballot.

00:02:36.240 I think that the liberal insiders like Katie Telford are thinking to themselves,

00:02:41.500 you know, Justin Trudeau's image is just too damaged,

00:02:43.780 and they feel personally betrayed by Chrystia Freeland.

00:02:46.960 So, of course, they all went over to work with Mark Carney.

00:02:49.300 um and and the horrifying thing is that if all of these people who have been propping up trudeau

00:02:54.800 over the last 10 years now suddenly have a leader who isn't like totally brain dead and has worked

00:03:01.560 his whole life as a drama teacher and ski instructor what other damage could they get done

00:03:05.960 um i think like they would have a they would have the ability to rapidly implement their agenda

00:03:11.220 their radical agenda uh much faster than what they were able to do with justin trudeau

00:03:15.440 it's reinvigorated the back benches of the liberal party um and the front benches anita

00:03:20.560 and saying that she's coming back now because they think that mark carney is going to boost

00:03:24.760 their fortunes i think the polling is largely garbage at this point um that's what happens

00:03:30.020 when you poll without a leader uh you do better especially when the person who was just evicted 0.58

00:03:35.100 from the leadership was justin trudeau the least popular prime minister perhaps in canadian history

00:03:39.920 So we'll see what happens today.

00:03:43.280 Like I said, my guess is 75% on the first ballot.

00:03:46.120 What's yours?

00:03:46.960 It's interesting.

00:03:47.660 I mean, I don't know.

00:03:48.580 I think it'll be first ballot for sure.

00:03:50.300 I don't know the exact number,

00:03:51.500 but in some ways it's too bad that Mark Carney came in

00:03:54.560 because I think it would have been so entertaining

00:03:56.140 to see Chrystia Freeland.

00:03:57.400 Presumably she would have been the front runner 1.00

00:03:59.280 and she would have been the candidate 1.00

00:04:01.100 had it not been for Mark Carney coming in.

00:04:03.820 I think Chrystia Freeland would have been so entertaining 0.97

00:04:05.820 and so hilarious,

00:04:06.600 like kind of just in in like a total like not like nihilistic but like a dark in a dark way

00:04:13.400 like it would just been fun to watch her because she's such a train wreck she's so bad at speaking 1.00

00:04:17.200 she's so weird and such has such odd sort of personal interpersonal skills it would be kamala 1.00

00:04:23.300 harris 2.0 a little different than kamala because i think christy afrillon is actually like quite

00:04:27.620 bright but she's just like a train wreck on screen so i don't think that she stands much of a chance 1.00

00:04:33.200 And that's what sort of what makes Mark Carney dangerous, what you alluded to, the fact that he is smarter, more competent, more accomplished.

00:04:40.980 Like, Justin Trudeau didn't really do anything before he became prime minister.

00:04:43.820 Like, he spent some time kicking around high schools in Vancouver.

00:04:47.580 He was a snowboarder instructor.

00:04:48.780 He worked at a bar.

00:04:49.660 Like, he wasn't an accomplished person.

00:04:51.680 He wasn't a serious person that had any business running for politics, except for the fact that the Liberal Party became, like, a cult around him.

00:04:58.720 And this idea of like Trudeau mania, they were so obsessed with how great allegedly his father was. I guess if you live in certain parts of the country, you had like a positive memory of Pierre Trudeau. I think from where I'm from and where you're from, Kian, Pierre Trudeau wasn't remembered so fondly out in Western Canada.

00:05:13.940 but I think so many people in Central Canada and Eastern Canada had this like positive loving

00:05:19.080 memory of Pierre Trudeau as like sort of like the creator of New Canada and because of that

00:05:25.800 Justin Trudeau could just kind of like fall into place not not very intelligent though not very

00:05:30.000 thoughtful and it's funny we were pulling clips for this show and it seemed like everything that

00:05:34.500 we pulled from like the first five years of Justin Trudeau's time in office were just like 0.98

00:05:37.940 cringy embarrassing moments where he just said really stupid things and that was kind of like 0.99

00:05:41.860 what his shtick was. I mean, I wrote a book, I think back in 2016 or 2017 called Stupid Things 1.00

00:05:46.540 Trudeau Says. And it's by far my bestselling book that I've ever written. And it was just a joke. 0.53

00:05:51.140 It was just literally just quotes from him, things that he had said in his own word. And we put it

00:05:55.120 out as a gag. And then it sold like tens of thousands of copies because everyone was buying

00:05:59.160 it like as a gag gift for their friends or whatever. And in a way, like he wasn't very

00:06:05.240 serious. He was being run by the people behind him, presumably like the Katie Telfords and the

00:06:08.940 Gerald Butts, that we're putting the policies in. And Canada has been incredibly radical. Like he

00:06:13.600 has pushed Canada to the far left. So many of his policies have just led to like total chaos and

00:06:19.040 like Canada feeling more and more like Venezuela every day. And so it's hard to imagine like how

00:06:24.140 we could get any worse at this point, right? But then you bring in this guy that's like straight 1.00

00:06:28.620 out of central casting, the central banker, like the crisis management guy, the fixer, who's going

00:06:34.360 come in and like we still don't really know very much about him like i don't even really know where

00:06:38.920 he lives like where's his primary resident and like where does his wife live like what what where

00:06:43.160 does he have money how much money does he have what does he own like what are his interests

00:06:47.480 financially so many things that are uncurious legacy media i've just not really bothered to

00:06:53.400 dig into and to look into and so you kind of like imagine how far we could continue to go in this 0.95

00:06:59.400 direction like like in some ways justin trudeau is like a bumbling fool whereas mark carney doesn't 0.97

00:07:04.920 have that right he he seems much more like deliberate and in that way like malevolent 0.59

00:07:09.800 in his specifically towards net zero and climate policy and sort of like reimagining the global

00:07:17.800 financial system to put forward like social justice ideas ahead of just sort of like trying

00:07:23.800 to build and develop and and like like like replacing the old economy with some new like

00:07:30.600 utopian uh economy and like in some ways it's just like so much more dangerous um than having 0.68

00:07:37.480 a bumbling fool as prime minister so i i don't really have a prediction other than the fact that

00:07:41.800 i think you're right that mark carney will win on the first ballot and i think that things it's 0.97

00:07:47.320 sort of like a make or break moment for canada like do we get an election do we get to actually

00:07:50.680 go to the polls and if we do will canadians make the right choice will they finally evict this

00:07:55.880 liberal government that has caused us so much pain and suffering or will they get lured in

00:08:00.040 by this new person that has a different idea playing up this trade war and creating this huge

00:08:07.480 sideshow over the trump tariffs rather than focusing on canada and the issues that plague

00:08:13.000 our country we're now focused on this boogeyman that that is conveniently there um saying things

00:08:19.560 that feed into the liberal narrative and you you kind of imagine like okay this is just kind of

00:08:24.520 just the beginning right like things could get so much more worse so much worse and it's all

00:08:28.680 going to happen like in the next few months presumably it's all unfolding so really interesting

00:08:33.880 times in canadian politics what do you think ken well i agree with you that he needs to come clean

00:08:39.240 with where his money is how much money does he have where is it sitting what could influence

00:08:45.320 the decisions that he makes with executive authority the day he is sworn in which could be

00:08:51.520 as soon as monday could be as late as friday but right now we don't know where his money's at we

00:08:57.040 don't know what is driving him is it just purely you know he's driven by love of country well then

00:09:04.160 the next question is what country he's a citizen of three so where's his money where's his loyalty

00:09:10.700 is live we just need to know we need some sort of transparency um you know the liberals lost

00:09:16.420 their minds when it came out that andrew sheer was a was an american uh dual citizen canadian

00:09:21.840 and american they thought he should renounce his citizenship and and declare his loyalty to our

00:09:27.640 country which you know that argument can actually be made that's a very fair argument i think that

00:09:32.080 he should have done that if he wanted to be the prime minister of this country but mark carney

00:09:36.280 has two other citizenships other than this one and he frankly he's lived in one of those countries

00:09:43.560 more of the last 10 years than not so um i think that it's it's a very valid question which is why

00:09:50.520 i asked him in calgary just a few days ago if we have the clip ready we should play it

00:09:55.160 uh i asked him where's his money why is he lying uh and and how how do we know that he's going to

00:10:00.680 stand up for this country when he when he lied about moving brookfield to the united states when

00:10:05.640 We don't know where his money actually is.

00:10:07.440 Do we have that clip ready?

00:10:09.200 I don't think so, but we will get it.

00:10:10.920 So keep talking.

00:10:11.580 Okay.

00:10:12.140 Yeah.

00:10:12.440 You know, I, I waited.

00:10:14.420 It was kind of funny.

00:10:15.420 They threw out a bunch of independent journalists.

00:10:18.380 I mean, that's not funny.

00:10:19.120 That's actually terrible, but I knew that they were going to do that.

00:10:21.760 So I ended up showing up about 15 minutes late before I knew that they would have already

00:10:27.120 had the kerfuffle with the others.

00:10:28.920 And I walked all the way around the perimeter of the parking lot until I found, they chose

00:10:34.100 this location where the rally would be purposefully because there's fences all around it it was

00:10:39.120 completely secure but i managed to slip through the fence and i waited between two priuses that

00:10:44.600 were parked right next to mark carney's massive gas guzzling suv which i really wanted to ask him

00:10:50.620 how much carbon tax that's going to pay in the new version of the carbon tax that he's going to be

00:10:55.180 implementing but i didn't have time because they sped away in the car so quickly but i waited there

00:10:59.760 crouched between these two priests for two hours in order to um to wait for him to come out i it

00:11:06.480 it became dark by that time but i i left out and i was able to get my mic in front of him of course

00:11:11.680 he was using the police he was abusing his police resources uh that he already has for some reason

00:11:16.800 to protect himself from any tough questions he made sure that no independent journalists were

00:11:21.200 inside and he made sure that no independent journalists outside would be able to get him

00:11:25.280 with any questions it's crazy the the presidency of the united states actually has more accessibility

00:11:30.640 to me personally as an independent journalist than my own prime minister and incoming prime

00:11:36.160 minister who's right now currently private citizen so um it's actually it's actually kind of

00:11:42.000 unfortunate how much they're restricting access to someone who really should be as transparent

00:11:47.760 as possible if he hopes to win the trust of canadians now that's not actually what he's

00:11:52.080 trying to win right now he's trying to win votes from liberal members whether they're canadian

00:11:56.720 citizens or not because keep in mind non-citizens are voting in this election um but i think the

00:12:03.680 liberal the liberal leadership race is open to people as young as 14. we do have the clip kim

00:12:07.680 but i want to bring in a special guest that is joining us viva fry who's a youtube streamer and

00:12:12.320 a good friend of the program he's been on before he's a lawyer and we love his live stream so if

00:12:18.400 if we can pull Viva on to the stream as well.

00:12:22.400 Hey Viva, thanks so much for joining us, can you hear me?

00:12:24.980 I can hear you, can you hear me?

00:12:26.600 We can, yeah, so we're just talking about

00:12:28.580 Mark Carney's problem with the independent press,

00:12:30.880 because to me, you know, if you're being dropped in

00:12:34.080 and planted as the prime minister

00:12:35.500 without actually facing the electorate,

00:12:36.880 without having a seat in the House of Commons,

00:12:39.240 you would think that he would at least try

00:12:40.580 to appear liberal and democratic and open to a free press.

00:12:44.320 But instead, every opportunity he's had,

00:12:46.360 He's thrown independent journalists out.

00:12:49.320 Kian Bexley was just describing how he had to basically bombard him in order to even just get close to him.

00:12:54.340 But he has no interest in transparency from the press.

00:12:57.420 So, Viva, my question to you is, what do you think is going to happen tonight?

00:13:00.800 And what do you think the impression is, Viva, of Mark Carney?

00:13:04.540 Do you think Canadians are buying what he has to sell? 0.99

00:13:07.180 I am cynical and very dismayed about what I think Canadians are buying because I do think they're buying this crap. 0.97

00:13:13.940 um well i think i i think it's it's a foregone conclusion that he's going to win i mean i follow 0.98

00:13:18.720 the markets as well and uh barring something absolutely unforeseeable i don't know how it's

00:13:24.100 not going to happen and the unfortunate thing is he is mildly charismatic if you sort of like

00:13:29.480 someone with a frankensteinian presentation he kind of looks like nosferatu if anybody has uh

00:13:34.280 ever seen the movie but he's mildly charismatic uh he's he's among among the candidates he is

00:13:41.000 unfortunately the most intelligent as well in that you know when i was before the tariff war

00:13:45.560 got started or you know went full hog i was saying like you know what they're going to do

00:13:49.980 what canada has by way of biggest leverage is electricity you know christia freeland and karina

00:13:54.920 gould in their in their you know all of their historical wisdom of inviting people that they

00:13:59.000 didn't know were nazis and because they didn't understand the history of world war ii also don't

00:14:02.620 understand the present and that is canada's strongest uh cudgel in this in this tariff

00:14:08.440 for, and Carney honed in on it. It plays into everything he wants to bring into Canada,

00:14:13.220 but bottom line, it's a foregone conclusion. He's going to be in there. It will be interesting

00:14:18.000 to see him and Pierre Poilievre duke it out.

00:14:27.000 Discussion because they've got nothing to gain from it. Carney's got nothing to gain

00:14:30.940 from transparency, and people don't care when the likes of Key and Bextie get kicked out

00:14:35.780 of events because they don't no offense key and i love you and i consider you a journalist one of

00:14:39.860 the last they don't consider them journalists they consider the actual propaganda paid activists of

00:14:45.540 the cbc to be the journalists and the actual journalists to be the propagandists so canadians

00:14:50.500 don't enough canadians don't care that i'm actually kind of mildly concerned that it's

00:14:55.860 not going to be enough of a shoe-in for pierre even though i don't think he's the solution to

00:14:59.700 canada's problems um i i'm mildly skeptical that this might be more of a race and it's up to pierre

00:15:04.900 to lose well i think the general election is going to be interesting because to your point i think

00:15:09.780 that there was a lot of interest in carney like he the liberal party is like a dumpster fire and

00:15:15.300 everybody was done with them like trudeau was done and i don't think i've ever seen the party so low

00:15:19.940 in the polls and then carney has sort of resuscitated the party and and brought it back to

00:15:26.100 life kind of but then if you look at some of the most recent polls eva it it doesn't even look like

00:15:32.660 the that that the gap is closed so much and i almost wonder that like once people see a little

00:15:37.620 bit more of mark carney once they realize that he's trudeau's economic advisor i think that

00:15:41.300 story about him moving the headquarters of brookfield asset management from toronto to

00:15:46.420 new york like after trump kind of made his threats and then saying he didn't have anything to do with

00:15:50.740 it and then the letter saying that he actually recommended it and and was like the one behind it

00:15:55.220 and he only left right in the nick of time to not be the one that like formally stamped it i think

00:15:59.780 that those things were all really damaging to him so i don't i don't think that canadians are

00:16:03.620 as swept away by him as as some of the polls might have suggested no well i don't i don't

00:16:08.020 think i don't believe the polls period regardless of what they show and i know that that's sort of

00:16:12.740 um not not uh motivated reasoning i don't trust the polls so i can explain them away if i if i

00:16:17.140 really want to but the bottom line yeah that's him lying about that it's too complicated for

00:16:22.900 the general public i think the fact that people are not outraged that this man is i say barely

00:16:27.940 canadian kian like passports this man is a def stooge he's sitting up there in davos giving 0.66

00:16:37.140 digital conferences with bill gates i put together a montage i spent all of it was thursday morning 0.98

00:16:42.180 a week ago listening to this guy he is an absolute globalist wef whore and the fact that it doesn't 0.80

00:16:48.660 bother people that he's got i'm an equal opportunist critique criticizer on this nobody should have 0.96

00:16:53.860 dual citizenship or triple citizenship period if they want to be an elected official um that the

00:16:58.260 fact that he's been living making decisions in england's best interest for the better part of a

00:17:02.260 decade the european union the fact that you know of of i'd say whether or not he's a critic of 0.95

00:17:07.300 brexit he's an undemocratic globalist wef whore and people have to understand that and then maybe 0.88

00:17:14.180 once they understand that and what he wants to do to canada while he is crippling or while he wants 0.98

00:17:19.380 to because he has been you know advising trudeau but while he wants to cripple canada uh energy

00:17:23.700 wise energy independence he's investing in the countries that are not abiding by the very same

00:17:28.420 uh emission limitations caps that he wants to impose on canada so he is it's it's corruption

00:17:33.380 of the highest order and i you know i pulled out these highlights and i hope people see them but

00:17:37.540 he's a very very bad man politically speaking i don't know on a personal level so i i can and i

00:17:43.140 were talking before you you jumped on about like justin trudeau has been so bad for canada and we

00:17:48.100 have watched our place in the world slip and our standard of living slip and just like everything

00:17:52.500 from like the press to housing to like just anything immigration borders and truth has been

00:17:58.100 so awful and so it's almost hard to imagine like it's hard for the mind to go to like what what

00:18:03.220 else could they do at this point like like how much further how much how much worse could it possibly

00:18:08.020 get um kian i could let you jump in on this or or i could throw this one back to you viva but like

00:18:13.300 What is it that you think that Mark Carney's agenda would be?

00:18:16.760 Kian, you do the worst case scenario. 0.98

00:18:18.320 I want to hear this.

00:18:19.480 Yeah, I think that the worst case scenario is that he appears to boost Liberal Party political fortunes, which makes them think, oh, OK, we can go back to what we were doing a year ago.

00:18:33.000 And if you remember what that was, it was importing huge amounts of people at the cost of our post-secondary school systems, at the cost of our hospitals, at the cost of our elementary schools, our roads, traffic, housing.

00:18:51.120 The whole country was in dire straits.

00:18:53.400 And then they said, OK, let's throttle down immigration.

00:18:55.640 My concern is with Mark Carney and the teachings he's learned from the World Economic Forum, from the United Kingdom, from Ireland, is that, no, actually, if we want to boost GDP, we need to increase the population of workers, even if they're third world slave workers that just came into the country. 0.99

00:19:15.860 And if their political fortunes rise with Mark Carney, they are going to go back to their original political instincts.

00:19:22.660 Do you really think Katie Telford has changed her mind on how this country should look and behave?

00:19:28.780 Do you think that she's learned her lesson or do you think she was looking at the polls?

00:19:31.780 I think it's the latter.

00:19:33.260 And if the polls start going up, they're going to go right back to what they were doing.

00:19:36.920 Housing is going to become an issue, not that that has even been solved.

00:19:41.020 Inflation is going to become a crisis because Mark Carney, while he's a banker, all he knows how to do is spend.

00:19:47.240 That's all he knows how to do, spend and print money.

00:19:49.480 and that's what's going to happen when Mark Carney becomes prime minister if he's given

00:19:53.320 anything more than a week of time in Canada's head office we are in deep deep trouble well

00:20:00.800 especially if he believes that he can't win an election like I think that having the liberals

00:20:04.980 only well might actually be good in a twisted way because it would give the liberals a signal like

00:20:10.800 hey maybe we have to call an election because this is our only chance before the sort of

00:20:15.520 reputation mark carney catches up to him and so like my biggest concern would be like if they

00:20:20.740 knew that they only had three months in office like what would they do like what kind of like

00:20:25.740 just in terms of like digital currency or like just fundamentally like changing i don't know

00:20:31.720 election laws or whatever it is like viva mark carney didn't run to be prime minister for

00:20:40.260 seven days you know he's a smart guy so he's got a plan uh and jagmeet already hedging his bets

00:20:47.680 saying that they're not going to have a confidence vote means that mark carney if he wants to remain

00:20:52.040 prime minister he could so it we it's going to be a wild week for for the country for the liberal

00:20:58.460 party and probably for um pierre polyev and the conservative party while they're trying to figure

00:21:03.200 out exactly how to how to attack this beast let me go one step deeper into the black hole of

00:21:10.440 cynicism i i think uh carney can very easily turn what what otherwise ought to have been a

00:21:16.340 a back and forth jab of a tariff war into a wildly isolating uh all-out economic war with america

00:21:24.560 to the point where canada has to align itself more with typically and historically adversarial

00:21:30.260 interests, which they already seem to be in bed with via China and India, which becomes even more

00:21:35.000 of a not just an economic issue with the states, but a national security issue with the states

00:21:38.760 and further isolate Canada from the US so that they have to further align with interests that

00:21:44.760 have no good interest in Canada. So he'll exacerbate the war, the tariff war, further

00:21:53.220 cripple Canada, the Canadian economy, use that crisis to manage and then rely on the fact that 0.99

00:21:59.120 Canadians are going to be, you know, so divided among themselves, but also just focusing on this

00:22:04.440 boogeyman of Trump, that they're going to think that Carney is going to be the one to solve the

00:22:07.760 problems that he's caused in his short time as prime minister. So it will be, I mean, unless

00:22:13.540 they declare some sort of emergency where they don't have the elections in what, September,

00:22:17.160 October, he'll be, he can be in there for a little bit of time. Jagmeet, I guess, I don't know what

00:22:22.480 his political inclination would be in terms of not triggering a non-confidence vote now that he

00:22:27.460 seems to have secured his pension. So you can rely on that. But I think he's out of office as

00:22:31.940 soon as there's an election as well. So he wants to milk it for as long as he can, despite having

00:22:35.520 secured his pension. I'm very, very cynical as to what's going to happen to Canada. And I'm even

00:22:40.340 much more dismayed by the amount of seemingly intellectual, intelligent people that I know

00:22:45.700 who are not seen through this and who are being swept away with this emotional

00:22:50.400 manipulation to hate Trump and ignoring the dire straits that Canada and Canadian

00:22:57.440 are in well i think that that this was all like perfectly not timed but it's just like it couldn't

00:23:03.840 have happened better for the liberals this whole thing with president trump coming in calling

00:23:09.600 trudeau governor trudeau talking about the 51st state and from my perspective i think that the

00:23:14.080 conservatives should have like ignored it and not made a big deal about it and just carried on like

00:23:18.960 we're talking about canada let's just let trump do his thing instead unfortunately it seems like

00:23:23.440 the Conservatives have kind of gone right along with them into this, like, we have to be raw,

00:23:27.760 raw Canada, we have to do retaliatory tariffs, we have to basically treat this like it's the biggest,

00:23:35.520 most important, most pressing issue in the country. And that just sort of plays into the hands

00:23:39.600 of the Liberals or backroom staffers and people who are trying to do everything they can to boost

00:23:46.320 the Liberals and change the image to Canadians. And it just doesn't seem like the Conservatives

00:23:51.680 they're playing this moment um correctly i want i want your thoughts on this like what do you think

00:23:56.880 the conservatives could be doing differently you said that you don't think the conservatives are

00:23:59.680 the solution to canada's problems like what is do you do you take this idea seriously that canada

00:24:04.880 ought to perhaps join the united states or or what what do you think we should be doing i don't take

00:24:10.720 that idea seriously i don't think it was a theory or proposal to begin with at the risk of being

00:24:16.800 accused of you know splitting the vote because i'm a i'm a ppc former ppc candidate i will

00:24:21.520 criticize pierre poilievre and at the risk of being accused of criticizing pierre to make him

00:24:25.440 better so that he actually has a better chance of winning you know take my criticism for what it's

00:24:29.520 worth i think he's played it absolutely terribly like just horrendous he couldn't have played it

00:24:35.920 worse if he wanted to you don't have to be anti-american to be pro-canadian and you don't

00:24:41.040 have to play into this fear-mongering that trump is coming for our jobs and that trump you know

00:24:45.040 we're not a 51st state. It was never, as far as I'm concerned, I know people think differently

00:24:49.600 on this. It was never a serious proposal. It was a negotiation tactic. It was sort of reminding

00:24:54.760 Canada who Big Brother is. And whether you like it or not, you don't go into retaliation or

00:25:00.040 retaliatory tariffs, dollar for dollar tariff war with an economy that's over 10 times the size of

00:25:05.200 your economy. That's not what you do. And so Pierre could have done nothing. It would have been better.

00:25:09.180 He could have said, we'll deal with Trump when we're in power, which would have been better 1.00

00:25:13.040 and let the liberals look like a bunch of idiots 1.00

00:25:15.440 trying to fight dollar for dollar 1.00

00:25:17.280 with a Trump presidency.

00:25:19.980 So he screwed everything up as far as I'm concerned.

00:25:22.120 It's not beyond the point of no return,

00:25:23.760 but in his mind, he's thinking,

00:25:24.960 well, if I act like the liberals,

00:25:26.940 I'll get some liberals over to me.

00:25:28.400 And I think all that he's doing

00:25:29.260 is telling any liberal who's on the fence,

00:25:31.240 there's no difference.

00:25:32.040 So may as well stick with the devil you know

00:25:33.680 as opposed to the devil you don't.

00:25:35.620 Well, Viva, I think you have a prior engagement

00:25:37.520 that you have to jump off.

00:25:38.560 So we appreciate you joining us

00:25:39.960 unless you have some extra time,

00:25:40.960 But otherwise, I appreciate your input and your insights here.

00:25:45.440 And thanks for joining us.

00:25:46.780 Thank you.

00:25:47.040 I'm going live at six o'clock.

00:25:48.260 I'll be following this and I'll do an update when there's results.

00:25:50.280 But I think it's the foregone conclusion.

00:25:52.720 So thank you very much for having me.

00:25:53.920 It's great to see you both.

00:25:54.980 Okay.

00:25:57.360 Okay, Kian. 0.97

00:25:58.100 So we have your clip of you confronting the soon to be selected new prime minister, Mark

00:26:04.420 Carney.

00:26:04.660 Let's play that clip.

00:26:05.320 Mr. Carney, why did you lie about moving Brookfield's headquarters to New York?

00:26:15.220 How can Canadians trust you to stand up for this country when you lied about such simple things?

00:26:19.940 Why are you using police resources to help yourself get elected, Mark?

00:26:26.100 Mark, why did you lie?

00:26:27.440 so i think that's your second or third attempt to try to get to mark carney and every time they

00:26:37.100 there's layers and layers of people that might be the closest that you've gotten and hopefully it

00:26:40.660 won't be the last time because i think that one thing that we need and part of the reason why we

00:26:45.240 came together to create juno news is because we just need a stronger united independent media

00:26:50.660 because it's going to require a lot of resources and a lot of effort uh to break through the

00:26:56.360 propaganda machine that that the liberals are created. And to the

00:27:00.380 point that Viva was making, just so many Canadians see things

00:27:03.320 inversely, like they think that the propagandists on the CBC are

00:27:06.940 the journalists, and that somehow, what we're doing is

00:27:10.580 illegitimate when I like, they're not asking him questions. When

00:27:15.020 you watch the press conferences that they give the questions

00:27:17.960 that that are being given by the legacy media are just not

00:27:22.700 important questions are not the things that Canadians care

00:27:24.840 about and I think that there's just so much of a problem with Mark Carney coming out here

00:27:30.060 becoming prime minister without really facing without facing the electorate and being totally

00:27:34.880 unwilling to talk to journalists that aren't handpicked by CBC what do you think yeah I think

00:27:44.060 that Mark Carney owes Canadians answers and the one thing that I'm really looking forward to and

00:27:48.000 look forward to every election is the parliamentary press gallery um the independent or not independent

00:27:55.160 it's the it's the leadership debate questions that we get to ask um we sued both Andrew Lawton and

00:28:01.700 myself a couple years ago well a couple election cycles ago now to get access to that um Justin

00:28:07.780 Trudeau created this debate commission that was deciding who was allowed in and who was left who

00:28:12.300 wasn't allowed in and of course they went with the decision that basically only the cbc and foreign

00:28:18.480 state media like the chinese chinese media basically uh were allowed to be there to ask

00:28:23.700 questions and we sued we won and we got the access that canadians deserved because i always say this

00:28:30.140 it's not about me and my right to be there to ask questions it's about our audience having a right

00:28:36.960 to have their questions asked and hear answers to that. The CBC is failing on other basic

00:28:43.880 obligations to ask the questions that Canadians want to hear the answers to. So we fill that role

00:28:48.400 and we had to sue to get access. But following that lawsuit, we were allowed access to the next

00:28:54.000 election debate. And I expect that will happen again this year because I'm ready to sue again

00:28:59.900 if we need to. And we will ask the questions eventually of Mark Carney. So I have no doubt

00:29:05.940 that we'll get the job done it's just how long it takes to get it done i completely agree and i

00:29:12.260 think we have brian lily on the line so we're going to bring brian lily who is a journalist

00:29:16.420 with the toronto sun into the stream and continue brian thanks so much for joining us how are you

00:29:24.180 doing thanks for having me and don't worry mark carney's not answering my questions either

00:29:29.300 uh and i watched the video of a bunch of folks from the legacy media who bothered to drive out

00:29:35.460 to Mississauga on a cold Friday

00:29:37.620 night to try and ask him questions

00:29:39.620 at his last big rally there

00:29:41.300 and he just walked past him as well

00:29:43.340 this guy has not been

00:29:45.200 vetted at all

00:29:47.000 can you believe that

00:29:48.660 I don't know

00:29:49.900 legacy media I guess I work for

00:29:53.240 a newspaper and post media

00:29:54.740 but always viewed as

00:29:57.520 on the outside

00:29:58.540 I'm the only

00:30:00.480 legacy media person

00:30:02.440 to have done a story on Mark Carney

00:30:05.080 being photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell

00:30:06.860 and after that came out

00:30:08.200 he's never answered a question about it

00:30:10.620 he's only talked about it

00:30:12.920 through a spokesperson

00:30:13.960 who would not be named

00:30:16.120 like nobody, can you imagine

00:30:18.660 if that was Pierre Polyev

00:30:19.840 every single day it would be

00:30:21.800 what did you do with Ms. Maxwell

00:30:23.940 how often did you see Ms. Maxwell

00:30:26.440 we've got a serious

00:30:28.660 problem with the

00:30:30.600 not just the liberal party

00:30:32.620 but the

00:30:34.460 media establishment in this country

00:30:37.000 deciding to anoint this man,

00:30:38.880 St. Mark of Kearney.

00:30:43.800 Sorry, noise in the kitchen.

00:30:47.160 Yeah, it's a great question, and that's exactly

00:30:49.080 what I wanted to do when I approached

00:30:51.080 him at his leadership announcement.

00:30:53.120 I mean, that was the main question at the time.

00:30:55.420 And I wondered,

00:30:56.860 the second time I approached him, well, should I be asking

00:30:58.940 him about Jelaine Maxwell?

00:31:00.760 Well, the mainstream media, exactly as you said,

00:31:03.040 would be asking Pierre and would probably never let it go until they got an answer, but more stuff

00:31:07.860 keeps stacking up, right? The pile keeps getting higher of questions that we need answers from

00:31:12.660 Mark on because he just doesn't answer any of them. But I think that this relationship that

00:31:17.300 he's had with Jelaine Maxwell through his wife's sister is extremely pertinent. It speaks to his

00:31:24.660 character. It speaks to his judgment. I'm willing to believe the answer they gave me,

00:31:30.700 but if it was anybody else

00:31:33.360 there would be more pressing and he would

00:31:35.380 be on the record and then you could

00:31:37.400 judge him on how he

00:31:39.360 answered you know because you see him

00:31:41.300 on some questions about

00:31:42.320 he gets really chippy really fast right

00:31:45.120 or

00:31:46.640 he's so into

00:31:49.360 bragging about himself that he makes claims that

00:31:51.320 aren't true

00:31:51.880 so we'd be able to tell

00:31:54.900 is this the truth but they didn't bother asking

00:31:57.440 so we have trudeau is hopping on right now back at yeah back at the liberal convention we had

00:32:04.560 first we had justin trudeau's daughter ella grace trudeau giving an introduction now we have justin

00:32:10.560 trudeau walking onto the stage wiping back the tears the waterworks are coming again folks so

00:32:15.740 we are gonna pop over there uh for the speech and then uh we'll be back so uh i guess our

00:32:23.820 apologies in advance you have to listen to Justin Trudon but but we will we'll be back

00:32:31.900 and we will provide our reaction and our commentary so we can just switch over to that live

00:32:53.820 Serving as a Prime Minister has been an honor for my life, but I have so much hope to

00:33:01.160 be proud of 100% to my most important role, that of my dad.

00:33:06.160 I'm proud of you three, and above all, I love you.

00:33:15.160 Now, sit down.

00:33:18.160 Now, I can imagine that you're all expecting me to stand up and talk about all that we've

00:33:23.700 accomplished together.

00:33:26.700 ...partie, as a country.

00:33:44.700 And I know that we as Liberals, as a government, often get criticized by our friends for not

00:33:50.460 taking a victory lap after we get something big done.

00:33:54.580 We do something really big and then we move on right away to the next challenge.

00:34:00.660 Because as progressives, as Liberals, we know there is always more to do.

00:34:07.020 So it is important to take the time to reflect on and share the big successes, but not tonight.

00:34:19.000 Not tonight, because when Liberals gather, we're always focused on just one thing.

00:34:26.300 The work that still needs to be done to build a country that stays worthy of all Canadians.

00:34:37.020 And simply put, that's the work of a lifetime for each and every one of us.

00:34:46.200 It's very simple.

00:34:48.080 Liberals are dedicated to making this country even better, not because we think it's broken,

00:34:55.260 but because we have an opportunity and therefore a responsibility to ensure that Canada stays

00:35:03.960 the best country on earth.

00:35:16.460 Now, these past years, these past ten years, have been challenging.

00:35:20.860 Crisis after crisis has been thrown at Canadians.

00:35:24.860 But through every crisis, Canadians

00:35:28.760 have shown who they are. We've pulled together.

00:35:32.660 we've stood up for each other, and every single time, we've emerged even stronger.

00:35:45.660 And now, as Canadians face from our neighbour an existential challenge, an economic crisis,

00:35:55.660 Canadians are showing exactly what we are made of.

00:36:02.660 Canadians are showing what it means is that makes us Canadians, not by defining ourselves

00:36:14.740 by who we're not, but by proudly embracing who we are.

00:36:24.100 We are a country that knows that standing up for everyone's fundamental rights is the

00:36:35.340 only way to protect our freedom.

00:36:40.780 We're a country that believes no one should be left behind and that everyone should have

00:36:50.380 a real and fair shot at success. We're a country that refuses to accept the false choice between

00:37:02.860 a strong economy and a healthy environment. We're a country that embraces reconciliation

00:37:13.820 and Indigenous Peoples as true partners, because it is the only path to a shared, prosperous future.

00:37:27.020 We are a country that makes our culture shine and protects our heritage.

00:37:34.060 We are a country that makes us live the French language and makes us hear from the world.

00:37:43.820 We're a country that celebrates the right of each and every person to be who they want

00:38:03.380 to be, to pray as they pray, and love whom they love.

00:38:11.820 We're a country that will always defend a woman's right to choose. 1.00

00:38:41.300 We're a country that will be diplomatic when we can, but fight when we must, elbows up!

00:39:11.300 But you, you here in this room, and our fellow Liberals watching across the country, you

00:39:22.860 know all about fighting with grit, with determination, when the going gets tough.

00:39:30.360 You remember where we were 15 years ago with just 35 seats in the house.

00:39:36.660 You remember our ups and downs and all those times that people counted us out, all the

00:39:42.980 times they said our party was on its last breath.

00:39:48.560 Like all Canadians, it's when you try to count us out that we Liberals show our true

00:39:55.760 You have shown it in 2015, in 2019, in 2021. You are mobilized. You have caught the doors.

00:40:16.760 You have done it under the rain, in the cold, in the cold. You have done it in the middle

00:40:23.760 pandemic with a mask on the face. You fought for your country and you changed it for the

00:40:31.940 best. But you know, a party is more than a name, a logo, a leader. It's you. You who

00:40:48.480 and, every day, bear the hopes of Canadians.

00:40:53.480 A country is more than a flag and a territory.

00:40:57.480 It's a vision.

00:40:59.480 A vision that is built, little by little, day after day,

00:41:03.480 between friends and neighbors.

00:41:06.480 And I want to thank all those who have been there

00:41:09.480 to build this vision together.

00:41:14.480 I think to my first caregivers, 18 years ago, and those who have been there since the very

00:41:22.180 beginning – Reine, Louis-Alexandre, Stavroula, and so many others.

00:41:30.180 I think to the stationery of Papineau, where they are going to talk to the world and convince

00:41:35.980 them to join this movement.

00:41:41.080 Tonight I'm also thinking of two friends in particular who've been there with me and for me every step of the way for close to 20 years.

00:41:55.080 The extraordinary Adam Scottie and the unstoppable Katie Telford.

00:42:11.080 Now, as I look at all of you in this room, no speech could be enough to thank you all

00:42:18.660 as much as I'd like to, as much as you should be.

00:42:22.580 I can't even offer you a well-deserved break because, once again, we need you.

00:42:28.900 Your country needs you maybe more than ever.

00:42:33.800 And I have no doubt that you will answer the call because you've done it before.

00:42:40.200 Liberals will meet this moment.

00:42:58.920 And make no mistake, this is a nation-defining moment.

00:43:06.460 Policy is not a given. Freedom is not a given. Even Canada is not a given. None of those

00:43:18.160 happen by accident. None of them will continue without effort. It takes courage. It takes

00:43:27.960 Sacrifice. It takes hope and hard work.

00:43:43.240 Sixty years ago, standing atop Parliament Hill, Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson first raised our

00:43:50.680 beautiful maple leaf into the Canadian sky. It was much debated at the time, but Pearson

00:43:57.880 knew well what we all know now that our flag would serve as a unifying symbol that would

00:44:05.640 define the next chapters in our national story 60 years later there are still so many more chapters

00:44:16.520 to write and i can tell you the world is looking to see what canadians will do

00:44:31.960 so let us not dwell on all the great things we've achieved over the past

00:44:37.080 10 years let us aspire instead to achieve even more over the next 10 years and the decades to come

00:44:46.520 Let us remain steadfast, defiant, and united.

00:44:54.320 And let us not just think about our party, let us prove our love of country.

00:45:01.200 as your leader as your prime minister i have done my level best each and every single day

00:45:16.940 to help build a country that stays worthy of all canadians i've done it for xavier for ella grace

00:45:24.920 and hadrian and i've done it for your kids too i've done it with you

00:45:33.320 and although you'll always find me alongside you cheering along

00:45:38.840 their future and your future is now in your hands merci mes amis merci

00:45:54.920 Thank you.

00:46:24.920 okay so overall that wasn't like absolutely terrible in terms of like

00:46:34.120 political speech it could have been more cringe i suppose could have been more cringe

00:46:43.640 put that on the uh like the cover of the book exactly yeah

00:46:48.040 Yeah, the whole review of his

00:46:52.060 government actually could have been more

00:46:53.960 he said that he did

00:46:56.200 his level best to help

00:46:58.200 the country and I

00:46:59.620 don't know if he honestly thinks that's the truth or not

00:47:02.340 the only thing I know is that it just wasn't

00:47:04.240 enough

00:47:04.580 I would say that

00:47:08.120 if you're a liberal you love that speech

00:47:10.080 and the audience seem to love that speech

00:47:12.380 you know

00:47:13.940 it's not aimed at

00:47:15.560 you or Candace or myself

00:47:18.140 or the audience that are watching us

00:47:20.140 discuss it, but

00:47:22.020 Trudeau's always been a great

00:47:23.840 great at giving a speech.

00:47:26.280 He's just not good at governing

00:47:27.820 and there's a world of difference. I wish he'd

00:47:29.980 stayed a motivational speaker.

00:47:32.220 Yeah, that's a great

00:47:34.080 point. Candace, what were you thinking on it when

00:47:35.780 he was talking about the RACC?

00:47:38.120 If you watch the audience,

00:47:40.160 they still love Justin Trudeau.

00:47:41.580 They still want him to be in power.

00:47:43.440 I'm sure if it was up to them.

00:47:45.560 he would still be the guy leading the party. He's still, you know, hitting all of his high marks.

00:47:50.260 And they're applauding him as if he hadn't completely destroyed the country and his own

00:47:54.880 party up until it's just been resuscitated, if you believe the polls. You know, if you would

00:47:59.800 ask me, like, at any point in the last nine years, how I would be feeling and what I would be saying

00:48:04.460 the day that Justin Trudeau left office, I would have told, I would have assumed I would have been

00:48:09.320 in a much better mood than I am tonight. Like, I would have thought, okay, Canadians have finally 1.00

00:48:13.340 seen the light and they finally told Justin Trudeau where to go and he will eat some like

00:48:19.700 humble pie like he's never eaten before. Instead, he kind of gets to go out on this high note

00:48:24.800 because of what has been manufactured in the media over the last eight weeks. This idea that

00:48:30.160 he's handing this strong country and this strong party over to Mark Carney to like walk across the

00:48:36.560 finish line. I mean, to me, that's so far from the truth and it's so far from a just end to his

00:48:43.080 time as prime minister in this country, it's kind of frustrating. Hopefully, there will be an election

00:48:49.200 soon so that hopefully Canadians will tell this party and these people what we think of their

00:48:54.920 policies and their ideas and the way that they've governed and the things that they've done to this

00:48:58.200 country. But unfortunately, it's just not going to happen tonight. I've been told election call

00:49:05.060 March 16th or 23rd. I think it's more likely the 16th and then voting day would be April 22nd

00:49:11.680 because the 21st is Easter Monday, so they'd have to move it to the Tuesday.

00:49:16.040 That's how fast I'm hearing they're going to go, transition Tuesday or Wednesday.

00:49:20.800 So swearing in of Carney as PM and swearing in of his shrunken cabinet

00:49:26.060 with Dominic LeBlanc remaining his finance minister

00:49:28.460 and then sprint to an election call

00:49:30.700 because they want people to only have a Wikipedia knowledge of Mark Carney.

00:49:36.460 They want them only to know he was a central banker.

00:49:40.240 He saved two economies.

00:49:41.680 He knows what he's doing. They don't want anyone to look at the policies.

00:49:46.660 He's got policies that would hurt our steel and aluminum industries in the same way that Trump's tariffs will.

00:49:53.340 Well, it's interesting that you're hearing that because we're kind of imagining, like, why would Mark Carney go through all of this pain?

00:49:59.300 Why would he put himself through this leadership race? Like, I don't even really know.

00:50:03.600 I think he lives in Ottawa, but I'm not entirely sure if that's where he spends most of his time.

00:50:08.040 I don't know if that's where he was. He's up in the, up near New Edinburgh, in that area,

00:50:16.240 Rockcliffe, Rockcliffe, New Edinburgh area. Presumably. But I mean, like, I don't know that

00:50:21.940 he would leave his lucrative private sector job, that he would go through the pain of putting

00:50:26.860 himself and his family through into the public life to run an election that the odds are very

00:50:33.300 much against them. Like, I don't think that the Liberals have a very good chance of winning a

00:50:37.980 fourth term winning again. And so it makes me wonder, like, what's in it for him? Why would

00:50:42.660 he do it if he's just going to immediately trigger an election and then presumably leave?

00:50:48.300 Well, you know, you've got the NDP at 11%, 12%, 14%, I think is their high mark right now in

00:50:54.520 polls from the reputable polling firms, not ECOS, because I'm on the record, I just don't

00:51:01.400 buy them, and you can look at Frank Graves' X account to see why, they are that low. And so

00:51:08.520 Jagmeet Singh gave the out, oh, well, you know, we won't vote non-confidence. So they could take

00:51:15.040 that route. And if they do take that route, they don't need to do anything special to govern past

00:51:19.840 October. They just have to follow the Constitution. And they can go until the fall of 2026, if they

00:51:26.040 want and if they've got the support of the NDP. So, you know, he's either going to govern for a

00:51:31.780 very short term, try and run a big election and win quickly and easily because, you know, voters

00:51:38.180 could switch over that quickly. My three rules in politics, voters are fickle, polls can change, 0.96

00:51:44.360 campaigns matter. And if they find a way to say, I'm the only guy that can stand up to Donald

00:51:49.140 Trump, then they go early. If not, they could govern for a year and a half with this guy

00:51:55.620 never being elected unless, you know, my MP here in Toronto Centre, Marcy Ian, unless she resigns

00:52:03.020 and he runs here because it's a very safe Liberal seat federally. It is interesting. Like, I don't

00:52:08.260 think that there's any precedent for a Liberal or a leader of any party coming in without being

00:52:13.220 elected. Brian, do you know the rules? Like, can he be sworn in as Prime Minister? Can he start

00:52:18.700 his period without having a seat in the House of Commons? Or does someone have to move aside and

00:52:22.680 give it to them right away? John Turner did, but he had been an MP previously. So that was 1984.

00:52:29.600 He became PM, taking over from another Trudeau. And of course, it didn't work out well for him.

00:52:36.960 So I'm sure there's lots of people examining that election. He went not super quick, but quick

00:52:43.040 enough. And again, he came in as leader. Polls went up for the liberals. Then the election started

00:52:50.520 and Brian Mulroney and the Conservatives won, I think 84 was the one where they won the biggest

00:52:56.720 majority ever, but maybe it was 88. I think it was 84. Okay, interesting. All right, Brian,

00:53:03.420 well, we really appreciate your time. We've got another guest to get to, so we'll leave it there,

00:53:07.200 but thanks for joining us and always good to have you on. Talk soon. Okay, so we're going to bring

00:53:13.720 in david knight leg now who is an alberta advisor and political insider out there can you know

00:53:22.120 david right yeah yeah so we can bring david into the call and we've got one eye over hey david how

00:53:28.440 are you thanks for joining us good to be here hi hi so we we just watched uh i think justin

00:53:36.680 Trudeau's last speech as Prime Minister. I think that Mark Carney will presumably get sworn in

00:53:43.560 to office at some point in the next week, even though he does not have a seat in the House of

00:53:48.680 Commons. David, what do you make of this whole political episode that we're living through?

00:53:57.240 You know, it's hard to know where to start. I think, you know, it's extraordinary. I spent a

00:54:02.600 lot of time overseas i'm in london right now um and i was down in the states it's hard to just

00:54:07.880 explain to people that canadian democracy has been suspended for three months for our center

00:54:12.360 left party to run a leadership campaign and that the country has to sit and watch the clubhouse

00:54:19.640 speech by a prime minister that's negative 31 points in the polls you know his negatives are

00:54:26.280 over 60 percent um and and the sort of i just think the whole conduct of the last two months

00:54:33.720 three months has been embarrassing it's been embarrassing for canada it's been extraordinarily

00:54:37.960 bad for our trade relationship and our security relationship with the us because it's been

00:54:41.720 mischaracterized and purposefully i think in ways that would allow this partisan opportunity to

00:54:48.280 define the liberal party as a defender of canada and i think what the liberal party's been effective

00:54:53.240 it doing is trying to make liberal ideology and wrap it in the canadian flag and i think that the

00:54:59.080 normal interrogation that you would get in an open competitive field of candidates which you had for

00:55:03.960 a little while with ruby dala i mean i thought she was impressive in the sense that she didn't tow

00:55:09.400 the line and i actually found her um open questioning of wef and carney and trio and

00:55:15.560 other things to be sort of a little bit of a break you know a little bit of a gap a little

00:55:21.080 a little bit of light was coming into the whole conversation because she was opening up the idea

00:55:24.760 that within our two major parties we would have a democratic spectrum of views that could be

00:55:31.640 debated in a healthy way on those parties and i think the liberal party did canada disservice

00:55:35.400 certainly did her and her her supporters a disservice uh you think that ruby was actually 0.98

00:55:41.800 resonating with liberal voters or was it all from from the outside looking in her support

00:55:48.280 you know kian i don't i don't actually know i'm too far away from the liberal party and the

00:55:53.880 dynamics there to to comment on that but what i did think was disappointing was that i didn't find

00:55:59.880 at a couple points i've just found that this seems so much like a coronation

00:56:03.960 you know the moments where you would have thought that the press would get interested in in the

00:56:08.600 complete um reversals by mark carney on on a variety of things you know the work he did for

00:56:14.840 g fans is extraordinarily bad news for canada uh the work he did at the un the work he did informing

00:56:20.920 the climate dogma and the alarmism of the current liberal party which you know he's written the

00:56:26.680 book on these things he tried to impose that stuff in the uk the fact that he backed rachel

00:56:31.560 reeves budget which is probably the worst budget in the uk in modern history you know is deeply

00:56:36.200 destructive he's he's very hard left on a couple specific things and he sort of played up the fact

00:56:42.680 that he was on the ship of you know ss harper back when the framework and the architecture

00:56:50.120 that he had to work within uh prevented canada from having the same exposure to the housing

00:56:55.080 crisis that the us did had nothing to do with mark harney he's been very good at sort of wrapping

00:56:59.400 himself in uh being the man for a crisis and i i think that you know the press somehow took those

00:57:05.800 talking points forward and never actually pursued a proper interrogation of the uh of the man or

00:57:11.800 the moment and so you'd expect someone like ruby dolla to do that or other candidates to do that 1.00

00:57:16.200 but you didn't even see you didn't see anything that looked like a normal debate it just felt

00:57:19.720 like a coronation and why about that we had to like like why were there why was there no interest

00:57:26.040 by the press by the people in the liberal party by canadians to just demand more to demand more

00:57:32.520 transparency more answers like we want to actually get to know the person like why would it have to

00:57:37.000 be a coordination just given how the country has been run like basically since covid this idea that

00:57:43.080 like the government funds the media um there's no questions asked we just do as we're told

00:57:49.000 and anyone who pushed back is a radical i mean it just it just to me like all it spells is like

00:57:55.160 authoritarian power and it's like they keep doubling down on it tripling down on it and

00:58:00.200 there's no one there to say like hey you guys are actually not acting like liberals or this isn't

00:58:04.760 really acting like how you would act in the democracy and it just doesn't seem like anyone's

00:58:09.160 doing that like not the cbc not the liberal party not the insiders not the members and i'm worried

00:58:14.600 that not even the canadian public is going to like jump in and ask that make that demand it forces us

00:58:21.320 to ask people who know mark carney what they think of him and his history instead of asking him

00:58:27.160 directly because he's kept such a tight cone around him that we've not been able to ask him

00:58:31.640 to a space hey why are you friends with jolaine maxwell why why have you done this why have you

00:58:35.240 done that why did you lie about this so the the i'm i think probably the most relevant interview

00:58:41.080 i've seen is actually the one that i did with former prime minister liz trust who worked closely

00:58:46.120 with mark carney and had you mentioned rachel reeves and his endorsement of her budget she

00:58:51.080 actually mentioned that and i think that we should we should play that clip if we can right now um

00:58:55.000 this is some really interesting context about mark carney from a prime minister who had to work with

00:58:59.640 I wanted to get your thoughts on Mark Carney and your relationship with him while you were

00:59:06.740 Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and any advice you have to Canadians who think

00:59:11.220 he might make a good Prime Minister?

00:59:12.640 Well, Mark Carney was Governor of the Bank of England, and under his tenure, too much

00:59:18.360 money was printed, which did damage to the British economy and put our economy off track.

00:59:25.480 He, at the last election, endorsed Rachel Reeves' economic policy.

00:59:29.800 She's now become chancellor.

00:59:31.320 It's been a disaster for Britain.

00:59:33.360 The country is heading for bankruptcy.

00:59:35.840 So I would strongly recommend not backing Mark Carney or his policies on net zero,

00:59:41.140 which have been disastrous for Britain, and would be disastrous for Canada.

00:59:49.560 That's, you know, perfectly summed up what I was mentioning earlier about his history.

00:59:54.780 All he knows how to do is print money and then spend that money that he prints.

00:59:59.760 And the disaster that that spells for an economy is exactly what we've seen play out with Justin Trudeau.

01:00:04.520 There really is not much of a difference.

01:00:06.520 They even look like similar people, right?

01:00:08.480 When it comes to their policy, what are we going to see differently other than the fact that Mark Carney knows what he's doing and can execute on strategy much better and more effectively than Justin Trudeau ever could?

01:00:19.300 What do you think?

01:00:19.840 Is there any tangible difference, David, between Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney?

01:00:24.780 Well, I'll say, like, look, observing from the outside, Jacob Rees-Mogg was one of Mark Carney's very steady critics in the UK, because Jacob Rees-Mogg is an incredibly successful and effective fund manager.

01:00:41.180 And he would keep making the point that Mark Carney wanted to play politics and never take any accountability for the fact that that's what he was doing.

01:00:49.280 and reason why i would often make a point saying look if you want to get in the arena you know

01:00:53.920 you're welcome to it but don't pretend that you're not don't play politics then suddenly

01:00:57.840 hide behind the fact that you're bureaucrat right and i think on climate policy and on fiscal

01:01:03.440 management mark carney has been very far to the left but pretended to be centrist he did that in

01:01:08.960 canada you know in canada didn't matter because the framework of the canadian structure the way

01:01:14.240 who he reported into prevented him from being the activist that he became later on and i think that

01:01:20.000 if you to answer your question about the similarity between mark carney and justin trudeau

01:01:25.120 i think they're they're different in certain ways but probably the most profound difference is what

01:01:29.440 i think we're going to see in the next month or two months depending on when the election gets

01:01:33.680 called justin trudeau is frustrating for me because i don't like his policies or his politics

01:01:39.760 but he happens to be a good communicator and he happens to have been effective at locking up the

01:01:45.520 press who are basically ideological fellow travelers with him and he's he's sort of used

01:01:50.800 i think a banana republic approach to that which is funding the press directly which is a horrific

01:01:54.880 idea because it's taken the fifth estate and it's basically held it hostage to their political

01:01:59.280 masters and that's happened within his sort of uh nine-year reign and i think it's something that

01:02:04.240 of when he wins and i think he will win handily actually when he wins he's got to dismantle the

01:02:11.040 entire thing get us back to a free speech open discussion culture because it's the only way to

01:02:16.720 actually have the kind of open-minded thinking that is necessary to progress as a as a culture

01:02:22.800 and as a society and as an economy but i think that mark carney is going to struggle with retail

01:02:27.680 politics. I think Jacob Rees-Mogg spied this. And I think, you know, you know, I've worked with

01:02:34.700 politicians directly. It's not an easy job. It requires 10,000 hours. I saw various moments

01:02:41.160 where if Mark Carney wasn't completely protected by a liberal press, he would have been in deep,

01:02:45.960 deep trouble. If he was conservative, I think his candidacy would have been buried if he'd been a

01:02:50.420 conservative. There were too many moments, the semiconductor stuff. He got excited leaning

01:02:54.720 against a bar and started saying things that were patently untrue wasn't really held to account for

01:02:59.120 that he would say things that were obviously uh slipshod about his own background he was in denial

01:03:05.060 about what he's done at g fans in the un and with climate policy and in his recommendations to this

01:03:10.220 current government on fiscal and climate policy and i think that when you get into a boxing arena

01:03:15.640 with somebody that's that's been training a lot like pierre polyev has had to and especially

01:03:20.820 somebody like Pierre that has to fight against the tide of a dedicated left-leaning press that

01:03:26.780 shares the same ideological presumptions that Mark Carney and Justin Trudeau do. Carney's lack of

01:03:33.100 retail political skill is going to start to show and I don't think it's going to be as easy for

01:03:39.180 him to get away with it even with a CBC desperate to let that happen. It's interesting that you say

01:03:43.960 that because I picked up on that as well David like I think that Mark Carney is not very good

01:03:48.900 at this. He's pretty low energy. He doesn't know how to speak like a politician does. Now that was

01:03:53.740 a plus for someone like President Donald Trump because he didn't have, he wasn't like wrapped in

01:03:59.560 political correctness, which is what we're just so used to hearing from our politicians, but he

01:04:03.400 had like a more authentic way of speaking. And to Mark Carney, it's like the opposite. He doesn't

01:04:09.960 know how to communicate in a way that resonates with people. So the press have to like play cover

01:04:15.660 for him. I was interested to hear you say that you think that Pierre Polyev will win and he'll win

01:04:20.820 a conservative because most people I talk to are not so confident. And what I think will happen,

01:04:26.940 what I worry will happen, is that the way that the media have been sheltering Carney, the way

01:04:33.620 that he's already running from independent journalists and doing absolutely anything in

01:04:37.740 his power to make sure that we don't get anywhere close to him, and then the media act like it's a

01:04:43.520 coronation. I think that they'll double and triple down like that, not to keep comparing it

01:04:47.800 to what's happened in the United States. But in 2020, Joe Biden ran a campaign from his basement,

01:04:54.800 like he was not anywhere. He was not seen. You did not know, like, I mean, we still don't really

01:05:01.480 know like what his mental state was back then even. And he was able to get elected and become

01:05:09.100 the president. They almost did it again with Kamala Harris, where she was so bad that they 1.00

01:05:13.320 just wouldn't put her up. They wouldn't allow her to be interviewed. She would barely do events.

01:05:17.440 The way that they would get their stadiums filled for her events was that they would tell people

01:05:22.360 that it was a Beyonce concert just to literally get people in the door to make it seem like she 0.84

01:05:26.860 had this momentum. And I mean, they didn't pull it off, but they almost did. And I think that the

01:05:32.120 way that these things work, the powers that be, the institutions, like they will do everything

01:05:36.660 in their power, particularly the CBC, knowing that if Pierre Polyaev is elected, they won't exist or

01:05:42.940 they won't exist in the same way. Hopefully they can get completely defunded. They'll do everything

01:05:48.620 they can to make sure that Mark Carney wins. So I want to ask you, what do you think is going to

01:05:53.960 happen? Why are you so confident that you think that Pierre Polyaev will win a majority?

01:05:59.640 Look, I think two things. I remember writing a little bit about what was happening in the U.S.

01:06:04.920 election and uh i wrote some things that at the time were contrarian and i predicted trump would

01:06:10.360 win a landslide and if you remember the the harris bump what there's three well i'll keep it short

01:06:17.880 three things one is the pull of polls don't work because you've got polls that are heavily skewed

01:06:22.440 but in canada it's ridiculously heavily skewed polls like ecos are so far in the tank for the

01:06:27.480 liberal party that they're embarrassing and the way that they do that for for um um you know your

01:06:33.800 listeners that don't understand how people can skew polls is they just change the sampling

01:06:37.960 methodology to oversample categories that they now have a predilection for one party so if you

01:06:43.400 oversample women you'll get a higher turnout for liberals etc and if you oversample certain 1.00

01:06:48.680 regions or geographies and this happens a lot this is what was happening in the u.s

01:06:53.400 with polls that had very large contracts with the government uh and it's what's happening here in

01:06:58.520 canada i think when you look at there are there are polls that have come out that have shown

01:07:02.440 preferences shifting in a way that's scary but i think that he has a disciplined team he's got a

01:07:08.760 lot of cash what i hope that he does and i think his team is great so this isn't me second guessing

01:07:13.880 a strategy that i'm not across but what i hope that he does he does something similar to what

01:07:18.280 donald trump did which is just embrace all the podcasts go straight to the media that people

01:07:26.280 love to listen to embrace the long-form podcast mark carney can't handle a long-form podcast

01:07:31.640 kamala harris couldn't handle a long-form podcast donald trump uh this is anecdotal but i have i

01:07:37.320 have friends that were in the initial bush administration was down there for the inauguration

01:07:41.080 and met some of these guys and they had gone from being real never trumpers to having been

01:07:46.600 had their mind really shifted by a set of long-form podcasts that had make them sort of accommodate

01:07:54.200 trump's excesses because they saw that underneath a lot of his excessive behavior were policies that

01:08:00.360 they thought were actually fundamentally good and when it came down to kamala harris or donald trump

01:08:05.480 they were going to go with trump rather than harris whereas before they would have some had voted for

01:08:10.760 biden and some had just not voted but they just found trump so distasteful on sort of an aesthetic

01:08:16.520 that even though he had policies that they agreed with that they knew that he was borrowing that he

01:08:19.640 was the head of their party they just found it untenable the podcast changed not only the people

01:08:25.560 in the middle or the moderates and there's data showing just how much it shifted the moderates

01:08:29.960 but it also really added to the conviction of the base and i think that's one of the most important

01:08:35.000 features for pierre if you look at what happened in the uk election recently keir starmer got fewer

01:08:41.400 votes than the previous labor party leader but he won a landslide and the reason that happened was

01:08:46.600 that the tories stayed home the base had become so disenchanted with a feckless story party that had

01:08:52.520 you know moved so far to the center that they were indistinguishable from labor and hadn't

01:08:56.600 addressed the rape gangs in an open way hadn't addressed some of the trans issues openly hadn't

01:09:00.680 been open about the immigration problem hadn't been straightforward about and these were things

01:09:04.920 that they they could have won the election on the content of what they thought and believed

01:09:09.560 as conservatives but they'd become such sort of notting hill squishes that they had lost the heart 0.99

01:09:14.440 and soul of the party and the people that actually would vote for the party and so i think that there

01:09:20.040 will be a dynamic in this election which is going to be all about getting the conservative base to

01:09:24.760 understand that you're not a lookalike to the liberal party number one number two talking to

01:09:30.440 all the people in the middle of the country that don't walk around with a red card or a blue card

01:09:35.480 or an orange card in their wallet which is most people and being able to define what's going on

01:09:40.520 in their schools and the conversations that are behind with their kids or being able to define

01:09:44.600 why public services have deteriorated so badly in spite of a 70 percent more expensive

01:09:49.480 of 40% larger federal bureaucracy,

01:09:52.380 being able to talk about the joblessness issue,

01:09:55.160 being able to articulate

01:09:56.240 why Mark Carney's disastrous climate policies

01:10:00.220 have ruined the economic and energy security

01:10:02.900 of Western Europe,

01:10:04.340 and the same policies adopted in Canada

01:10:06.240 have ruined our economic security,

01:10:07.980 brought us the lowest productivity,

01:10:09.560 killed our ability to ship natural gas

01:10:13.640 to places where it could replace coal

01:10:15.280 and reduce our total carbon footprint as a nation.

01:10:17.640 I mean, I think Mark Carney's biggest files are finance and climate.

01:10:20.800 And I think those are his going to be his biggest problem files to debate Pierre Polly

01:10:25.800 Avon. And those two files are things people are tired of.

01:10:29.300 So his attempt to U-turn on the carbon tax early on was just unbelievable to me.

01:10:33.960 And then to try and reframe it as maybe it's an industrial tax, you know, so people vote

01:10:38.940 from the position of industry, you know, like I'll save your house.

01:10:41.860 We'll blame it on the fat cats in industry. 1.00

01:10:44.040 and it's just it's untenable anyone with basic economics one-on-one knows that just means the

01:10:49.260 households will pay more for basic goods that are in our manufacturing sector i i think he's done the

01:10:54.340 same thing with the fiscal mismanagement the idea that he would take an operating budget and treat

01:10:58.980 it in a separate way uh as and drawing this false distinction between spending and investment is

01:11:06.120 unbelievable like no one believes this right so i think that he's a guy that will try it out

01:11:11.300 held talking points but actually being in the boxing ring is going to be interesting the one

01:11:16.020 other thing that i hope you hope that pierre does besides just being on the podcast is something

01:11:20.340 that donald trump did which is donald trump found key individuals that represented very important

01:11:25.940 constituencies that were in the middle and defined their political perspectives from the perspective

01:11:32.180 of making america healthy again like rfk junior nicole shanahan um elon musk which do you think 0.79

01:11:38.340 that equivalent is in canada to a robert to an rfk to an elon musk you know that is a great

01:11:48.660 question i've i i feel like um i have a few ideas but i think that it would probably represent

01:11:57.380 um i i would like i would love to see some very senior people with deep

01:12:04.340 industrial and infrastructure experience brought in i would bring in a former ceo let me just say

01:12:10.020 what i would bring kian because i don't want to want to sort of second guess or or you know play

01:12:14.900 a political strategy but i would probably say that it would be terrific for pierre to have

01:12:20.020 a couple very dominant and very powerful um former energy executives former infrastructure

01:12:27.220 executives people that are highly credible that can speak very directly to the crisis that canada

01:12:32.580 is in in terms of its productivity its decline in economic capacity its decline in trade capacity

01:12:39.860 why are we the lowest in the oecd on productivity trends out of 40 advanced nations

01:12:44.660 i mean this stuff is stuff that the press has not talked about and although i think pierre can

01:12:49.380 address it i think it would be very interesting for people that are in the middle economically

01:12:53.940 motivated liberals to hear from somebody that's an eminence gris in in a you know i i mean the

01:13:00.500 The reason I was kind of, I would love an old, you know, the Paul Demaray senior, you know, like I would love to see very different thing.

01:13:08.440 You know, I don't think we imitate the U.S. I don't think we track straight into it. 1.00

01:13:11.520 But I think our issues are so profoundly troubling.

01:13:15.380 I think we need somebody who can speak to the immigration and asylum fraud crisis in our country and be very direct about it.

01:13:22.180 I don't think Pierre is necessarily the best carrier of that message.

01:13:25.480 i would love to one thing that donald trump did in the united states is he targeted specific people

01:13:30.500 not just in the joe biden core administration but senior officials in the government heads of

01:13:36.480 departments um and he personally attacked them he said when i get this when i become president

01:13:41.460 you're fired and i'm going to replace you with this person do you think the peer needs to do

01:13:47.320 more of that or do you think that canada doesn't operate our government in a way that the people

01:13:51.920 that vote actually even know who the set who the head of the CFIA is for example well I would love

01:13:58.400 to see people introduced to who these people are because I think it's so important to take

01:14:02.200 our democracy back from this tragic nine-year decline in almost every front the level of

01:14:07.320 corruption and the loss of the green slush fund I would love to see somebody who's a forensic

01:14:12.120 accountant and a lawyer who's well considered who's like a managing director of a Tories or

01:14:17.120 something, be brought in and have Pierre say, I am going to clean up this government.

01:14:21.980 We're going to run a red tape reduction and review.

01:14:25.200 We're going to spare note.

01:14:26.980 No, like nothing will evade the long arm of the law when it comes to finding out what

01:14:32.580 was corrupt and what wasn't.

01:14:33.960 And we will enforce this and we're going to bring in this guy to do it.

01:14:37.100 I think people like the idea of kind of an Avengers strategy more than the Superman thing

01:14:41.620 because it's a it sort of enhances the idea that the leader themselves isn't running on an ego that

01:14:48.540 they're going to be able to manage every possible problem that they encounter be it shows an

01:14:52.140 intellectual vitality and flexibility to say there are people that are really smart on these things

01:14:58.560 great Canadians that want to give back to their country and we're going to bring them in to do

01:15:01.920 exactly that and I would love to see him just recruit a rock star set of people to say these

01:15:07.800 people are going to come in and even if they're not going to be in the cabinet you know I'm going

01:15:10.980 point to special advisor on energy security it's going to do the kxl deal they're going to make

01:15:16.100 these core they're going to ensure these corridors get built we're going to lock in forward we're

01:15:20.420 going to lock in i'm going to use these people to manage those things as my committed people you

01:15:26.340 know that was my role in premier kenny's office uh it was principally about doing deals setting up

01:15:32.660 the indigenous opportunities corporation which is a blueprint i set up with a bunch of lawyers

01:15:36.580 that in new york and toronto right we set up the invest alberta corporation to bring foreign direct

01:15:41.140 investment in we set up an esg working group to go and get hsbc and barclays and a bunch of insurers

01:15:48.500 to take the oil sands ban and screen out of their esg policy so we can unlock capital into

01:15:54.980 our oil sands now those were things i knew how to do because i came from a banking background was

01:15:59.220 head of strategy at a very large global bank and so i knew how to do that so i was credible on

01:16:05.540 those files if you'd asked me to um rework the uh i don't know the school curriculum or manage

01:16:12.820 healthcare i think people rightly would say who's this guy what's he even doing you know that's

01:16:16.660 scary but why not why not have a terrific doctor that's a well-regarded surgeon that's a true

01:16:22.180 conservative that can spend some time understanding what we need to do and what what form of you know

01:16:27.700 gen x and millennials are very open to multi-facet multi-tier healthcare now because this current

01:16:33.140 system is so broken right uh so it's broken i'm sorry we're going to we have uh john kretchen

01:16:40.500 the former prime minister has been speaking for quite a while and we were monitoring it waiting

01:16:44.660 to see if uh if they were going to go to the results they're supposed to be coming in at 6 30

01:16:49.540 these things always run a little bit late uh but we thought we would go to the former prime minister

01:16:55.060 john kretchen he's going back and forth between french and english i believe he's speaking back

01:16:58.820 in english so uh we're going to cut to that just for a few minutes here great

01:17:12.820 I was going to go everywhere in the world, to the United States, to the G7, to the OTAN,

01:17:27.820 to the Commonwealth, to the Francophonie and to all other international meetings on the

01:17:34.820 five continents. When I returned to Canada, I told myself that the work of the Prime Minister

01:17:41.820 Canada, c'est le pays qui fonctionne le mieux, je crois, que partout ailleurs dans

01:17:54.820 le monde.

01:17:56.820 And it's why there are millions and millions of human beings from all over the world who

01:18:07.820 who would like to come and become Canadian citizens.

01:18:13.540 There was a survey not long ago.

01:18:15.960 They were asking the people,

01:18:18.040 where would you want to go if you had to start again your life?

01:18:23.580 And Canada was number one.

01:18:29.760 Why?

01:18:31.540 It's because Canada is the land of freedom.

01:18:34.300 Canada is the land of opportunity, the land of generosity, the land of tolerance, the

01:18:43.980 land of stability, the land of rule of law.

01:18:49.980 It is our land that is the envy of the world.

01:18:58.680 Canada will continue to rise through North strong and free.

01:19:09.640 Nobody will starve us into submission, because Canada is and will remain the best country

01:19:19.080 in the world.

01:19:20.080 Vive le Canada!

01:19:28.680 I

01:19:58.680 it seems like they have um it seems like they enjoyed that speech and actually it seemed like

01:20:10.440 it was a better response than justin trudeau's was well it's it's interesting how much the liberal

01:20:18.600 party has changed over the last 20 years or specifically with justin trudeau i mean he took

01:20:23.000 the party to the hard left he's decimated the ndp because there's no need for an ndp anymore when you

01:20:28.120 have a hard left liberal party. So it's kind of odd to see him back. And obviously, he's trying

01:20:33.400 to paint a sunny, rosy picture. But we all know what Justin Trudeau has done to this country.

01:20:40.460 What do you think, David? No, you just made the point I was going to make. It's extraordinary

01:20:44.980 when you think back and you find yourself thinking very fondly of Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin,

01:20:50.780 because the current liberal party, you know, I think one of the reasons that conservatives will

01:20:57.400 prevail in the next election is because the Liberal Party has actually lost a coherent idea

01:21:03.500 of what it is as a party. It is not a party of ideas right now. It's a collection of sort of

01:21:09.540 leftist-leaning instincts and aphorisms from World Economic Forum conferences from five to six years

01:21:16.660 ago, you know? And so I think that what's happened is it's not a party with a ton of soul at the

01:21:24.560 moment, you know, and I think that that Pierre and the Conservative Party have started to create

01:21:31.560 partly in contract, partly in opposition. And so I think this is one of the things that will

01:21:35.760 change over the course of the election. But it's largely an oppositional set of prospects,

01:21:41.100 acts that are, you know, but I think that one of the hardest things to watch as a Canadian has

01:21:47.100 been the last few weeks of the struggle of our government to define why Canada is important in

01:21:54.180 world and what's worth fighting for and it's kind of come down to this weird pastiche of

01:21:59.780 terry fox run and hockey games a couple hockey games and a flag and the fact that we were

01:22:06.900 peacekeepers somewhere and it's like this sad kind of beer commercial vision of a country

01:22:12.820 and you know when i was in when i was in university one of the things that was quite important

01:22:17.780 was this idea that canada was born out of a set of scottish enlightenment ideals that were very

01:22:23.700 different from the french enlightenment ideals and they played themselves out in very powerful

01:22:28.340 ways in the kind of country that we created and there were things that were weak about that but

01:22:32.820 things that were extraordinarily strong about that if we understood those we could understand

01:22:37.060 who we were meant to do and be in the world and and we're not pacifists we're people that believe

01:22:42.580 that war is probably not the answer all the time and it's interesting to see that actually in the

01:22:47.220 right in the states has actually come closer towards what had been sort of fixed traditions

01:22:52.820 in the canadian conservative tradition that had a bit of a community communitarian streak to them

01:22:58.260 rights canadians were willing to fight in wars especially against communists and uh fascist 0.98

01:23:03.060 socialists like the jerk like the uh third reich but there was this idea that we didn't need to 0.96

01:23:09.700 actually have a battle to the end to bring quebec into an english-speaking nation that in fact that 0.99

01:23:15.060 was inadvisable and so we're a nation of compromise but the compromise when it was rooted in a set of

01:23:20.100 of common sense ideals from sort of the Scottish enlightenment made enormous sense and actually

01:23:25.200 helped us grow as a nation. We avoided the carnage of a revolutionary war. We avoided

01:23:29.480 the carnage of a civil war. And we were founded on a different set of ideals that ended up,

01:23:34.160 I think, being so creative. Sorry to interrupt you there, David. I am really interested in what

01:23:37.000 you're saying, but they are, I think, about to announce the results here. The president of the

01:23:41.960 liberal party is up there. So we're going to go to the stream for a few minutes and then we can

01:23:45.820 finish that thought once they've announced these results here so let's

01:23:50.380 let's hand it on over to the liberal convention the 51st state

01:24:08.460 Prime Minister thank you for leadership to our party and to our country but most

01:24:14.080 of all, but most of all, thank you for being a friend to everyone in this room and to Canadians

01:24:21.520 J'aimerais aussi remercier Monsieur Chrétien d'être ici ce soir.

01:24:33.320 Quel discours, comme toujours.

01:24:35.960 We'll have to get started on that Order of Canada Award for sure.

01:24:41.480 Before we get to the moment that we have all been waiting for,

01:24:46.320 I also want to take a moment to acknowledge all of our amazing candidates.

01:24:51.520 To Frank, to Chrystia, Mark, Karina, merci pour vos incroyables campagnes.

01:25:04.440 Thank you for being so inspiring.

01:25:09.760 And thank you to all your staff and volunteers who put their hands up to get involved in

01:25:26.620 this most important race.

01:25:29.640 Everyone should be proud of their hard work.

01:25:38.720 fact we have welcomed hundreds of thousands of new registered liberals from across the country

01:25:48.240 many of them are with us tonight some of you and i met a few of you for the very first time

01:25:57.840 and the positive momentum doesn't stop here we just recently announced our best

01:26:04.160 ever q1 for grassroots fundraising in the history of the party

01:26:12.560 and we still have another 21 days to go

01:26:19.440 my friends together we are ready for the year ahead but we need each and every one of you 2025

01:26:29.120 as we all know is an election year and we all need to be ready we need to knock on doors

01:26:36.960 make those calls and chip in

01:26:41.600 where we can because only together will we win the fight for a strong canada who's with me

01:26:59.120 Now who's ready? Now it's the moment to announce our new leader.

01:27:08.120 To hand me the results, I'm happy to invite on stage Beatrice Keller-Rafoul, who has been serving as the Chief Electoral Officer for the vote and protecting the integrity of the process.

01:27:26.120 Pour me remettre les résultats, j'ai le plaisir d'inviter sur la scène Beatrice,

01:27:30.080 qui a joué le rôle d'agent électoral principal pour le vote

01:27:34.860 et a protégé l'intégrité de la processus.

01:27:38.540 Beatrice.

01:27:44.120 Thank you.

01:27:48.060 A reminder that the winner must receive more than 50%

01:27:53.200 of the points allocated in a ballot to win.

01:27:58.020 The following are the results of the first ballot

01:28:00.880 with 151,899 votes cast.

01:28:12.960 In fourth place, Frank Bayless with 4,038 votes

01:28:19.200 resulting in 1,014 allocated points

01:28:22.080 representing three percent of the vote in third place Karina Gould with four

01:28:37.800 thousand seven hundred eighty-five votes resulting in 1100 allocated points

01:28:44.360 representing 3.2% of the vote.

01:28:55.860 In second place, Chrystia Freeland with 11,134 votes

01:29:03.480 resulting in 2,729 allocated points

01:29:08.100 representing 8% of the vote.

01:29:10.640 In first place, the next Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, with 131,674 votes, resulting in 29,457 allocated points, representing 85.9% of the votes.

01:29:40.640 I know your fears are hidden well, beneath your wind, so don't be long, and leave me here, let me belong, and carry on, just cross the waters, I'll be okay,

01:30:05.640 Cause I've been loved, I've been loved enough to die

01:30:11.360 I know your fears are hidden well

01:30:19.260 Beneath your wind, so don't be long

01:30:23.440 Leave me here, let me belong

01:30:27.000 And carry on

01:30:30.940 Just cross the waters, I'll be okay

01:30:36.500 Cause I've been loved, I've been loved

01:30:40.660 Enough today

01:30:42.240 I know your fears, don't you?

01:30:48.500 Are hidden well, meaning that you're open

01:30:52.100 So don't belong, leave me here

01:30:55.980 Let me belong

01:30:57.860 and carry on just cross the waters i'll be okay cause i've been loved i've been loved enough

01:31:12.340 today i know your fears liberals please welcome clio carney

01:31:22.340 Ami Libero, veuillez accueillir Cleo Carney.

01:31:44.340 Thank you and good evening. Bonsoir.

01:31:49.340 I'm going to try and deliver this speech with as much grace and poise as Ella Grace.

01:32:01.500 I too am introducing my father tonight because I want Canadians to understand what kind of a man

01:32:08.140 he is and who is better qualified to speak on his character than his daughter.

01:32:14.300 my father is to his core a man of commitment i don't just mean that in a general sense

01:32:26.300 he is unflinchingly dedicated to what matters focused and principled funny and kind

01:32:36.940 Canadians care about actions and my father is a man of action, a man who has traveled

01:32:46.540 the length of Canada to hear what Canadians want from their leaders, what they want for

01:32:53.620 their future. He's up early to read his papers and stays up late preparing for the next day.

01:33:02.720 He has taught me the importance of always putting in the work.

01:33:08.380 But you can work hard all you want.

01:33:10.900 If you don't have a solid foundation, there's nothing to build on.

01:33:15.640 And that's what I really want to share with you tonight.

01:33:18.680 The foundation that makes my father who he is.

01:33:23.720 He is unwaveringly supportive of the things he cares about.

01:33:28.840 Every year, for our birthdays, he burned us CDs, and somehow they were good.

01:33:38.240 Sometimes now, when we don't know what to get him, we make him a playlist.

01:33:45.900 He cheered me on in the freezing cold at my cross-country races.

01:33:50.580 He sat for hours to help me with my math homework, persevering until I understood.

01:33:57.060 I can tell you that I appreciate this more in hindsight

01:34:00.280 than I did at the time.

01:34:04.200 In all seriousness, my dad invests in what matters.

01:34:09.740 He expects nothing to come without hard work

01:34:13.220 and he is always ready to work hard.

01:34:17.200 The bottom...

01:34:18.040 The bottom line is, however hard things may seem, he shows up and never lets you down.

01:34:34.820 He has and always will show up for you, for Canadians, and for Canada, because he cares about this great country.

01:34:48.040 Now, my father, your new liberal leader, and the 24th Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney.

01:35:02.680 Merci.

01:35:18.040 Prime Minister, I think it's clear we should just skip a generation.

01:35:34.500 Bonsoir tout le monde.

01:35:36.260 Wow.

01:35:37.680 This room, this room is strong.

01:35:41.960 This room, this room is Canada strong.

01:35:52.440 Thank you.

01:35:53.440 Thank you, Cleo.

01:35:54.980 Thank you, Cleo.

01:35:55.980 And to my wife, Diana, our children, Cleo, Tess, Amelia and Sasha.

01:36:04.080 Without your support, I wouldn't be standing here.

01:36:16.740 Like the Prime Minister, without your examples, I wouldn't have a purpose.

01:36:27.320 Without your love, I wouldn't have the strength that I need for what lies ahead.

01:36:33.320 Monsieur Chrétien, vous énergiez encore les troupes et les partisans, les militants

01:36:47.880 du Parti libéral comme personne ne peut le faire.

01:36:51.600 You have marked the history by taking courageous decisions.

01:37:03.940 You have shown to our allies that Canada will always hold on to what is right.

01:37:15.260 And you are a source of inspiration for all Canadians and Canadians.

01:37:21.600 And may I say that you inspired my family to become Liberals, including my father to run as a Liberal candidate in Alberta in the 1980s.

01:37:38.260 Some elections are tougher than others.

01:37:43.360 And you inspired me.

01:37:46.000 You inspired me over the years.

01:37:48.140 and now to have an opportunity to continue your tradition

01:37:53.260 of fiscal responsibility, social justice, and international leadership.

01:38:10.060 Prime Minister Trudeau, my time doesn't permit me to recognize all your accomplishments.

01:38:18.140 so i'll speak at a higher level you have combined strength and compassion

01:38:25.340 every day as a fighter for canada

01:38:34.060 you

01:38:37.180 you have led us through some of the hardest challenges that this nation has ever faced

01:38:43.020 And, in the same time, you have transformed Canada, transformed our country, out of hundreds

01:38:56.520 of thousands of children from poverty, in really advancing reconciliation, and in defending

01:39:08.780 la liberté et la démocratie toujours ici et ailleurs dans le monde.

01:39:14.280 Monsieur le Premier ministre, je parle pour tout le monde, on vous remercie pour votre

01:39:26.200 travail acharné, comme Ella Grace l'a mentionné, votre travail acharné, votre leadership et

01:39:34.660 et pour votre service à notre grand pays.

01:39:38.420 Je tiens à vous remercier, chez Libéraux, de m'avoir accordé le plus grand honneur

01:39:54.700 qui soit, celui de servir comme votre nouveau chef.

01:40:00.700 Merci.

01:40:04.660 I pledge to you, and to all Canadians, that I will follow their example.

01:40:31.420 I will work day and night with one purpose,

01:40:34.940 which is to build a stronger Canada for everyone.

01:40:44.780 But I will need help.

01:40:51.320 I will need a lot of help.

01:40:55.000 And so I'd like to thank Christia, Frank, and Karina

01:41:00.000 for your energy and ideas and leadership that you have brought to this campaign.

01:41:11.000 And I would like also to thank those ministers who remained in their post to serve Canada directly during this time of great peril.

01:41:20.000 great power and and to the incredible group of liberal MPs that we have you

01:41:35.000 are the voices for your communities and you are the conscience of our party

01:41:42.440 thank you for your service now to give a sense of that service I'm going to quote

01:41:55.640 from a message that I and Christian and Karina sorry Karina and Frank the three

01:42:01.820 of us received the four of us received from someone called Bob Zettel now Bob

01:42:08.220 Bob, full disclosure, I know the leader of the opposition's in the full disclosure, so

01:42:13.080 I'm going to, full disclosure, full disclosure, just want to get this on the table, Bob goes

01:42:21.100 to my church.

01:42:22.980 Actually, I go to Bob's church because he goes there a lot more frequently than I do.

01:42:29.060 Anyways, point is, Bob wrote to the four candidates, and he said, I quote, right now, everyone

01:42:37.780 Everyone sees the main threat as the Trump tariffs.

01:42:42.680 But the far greater challenge will be, as it always has been, to foster unity and a

01:42:49.340 sense of the common good.

01:42:52.500 There are those who will seek power by dividing us.

01:42:56.400 We'll get to that later on.

01:43:00.500 And we need, we being the people of Canada, we need you, my fellow candidates, myself,

01:43:07.340 to continue in positions of leadership to promote a united Canada.

01:43:11.900 A commitment to common good and the respect and the rule of law throughout the world.

01:43:23.900 See, I quote Bob because right now all Canadians are being asked to serve in their own ways. 0.50

01:43:31.260 We're all being called to stand up for each other and for the Canadian way of life.

01:43:37.340 so let me ask you who's ready who's ready to stand up for Canada with me

01:43:50.980 100% yes yes yes Canada yes Canada the Liberal Party is united and strong and

01:44:04.360 ready to fight to build an even better country I feel like everything in my life

01:44:19.060 has helped prepare me for this moment two months ago I put up my hand to run

01:44:26.800 for leader because I felt we needed big changes but big changes guided by strong

01:44:33.520 Canadian values. The values I learned at the dinner table from my parents Bob and

01:44:39.820 Verly and my three siblings Brenda, Sean and Brian. Values that I learned at the

01:44:46.200 hockey rinks of Edmonton from my coaches such as Stormen Norman Lee. He exists. We

01:44:53.760 didn't call him that to his face by the way, but that was. My parents were

01:44:58.540 teachers, and they stressed the importance of hard work, of community, and of

01:45:03.460 tolerance. My coaches were dedicated volunteers who taught me the importance

01:45:09.760 of teamwork, ambition, and because it's Canada, humility.

01:45:16.300 bonnes valeurs, des bonnes valeurs, des valeurs canadiennes. Je les ai emportées avec moi

01:45:26.860 à l'université. Je les ai gardées près de moi en gérant des crises ici au Canada

01:45:33.700 et ailleurs dans le monde. Ces mêmes valeurs m'ont guidé dans mon travail pour bâtir

01:45:40.620 And today, I think that we face the most serious crisis of our generation.

01:45:54.240 Canadians know that new threats demand new ideas and a new plan.

01:46:00.740 They know that new challenges demand new leadership.

01:46:05.860 Americans want positive leadership that will end division and help us build together.

01:46:20.640 And to respond, my government will put into action our plan to build a stronger economy,

01:46:26.380 to create new trading relationships with reliable trading partners, and to secure our borders.

01:46:37.140 To be clear, it will demand a change, a big change, but I know that Canadians and Canadians

01:46:47.680 are ready.

01:46:48.680 They tell me it all across the country.

01:46:52.380 People want change because they are worried about the cost of life and the crisis of housing.

01:47:01.900 Now, I am a pragmatist, above all.

01:47:25.000 So, when I see that something's not working, I will change it.

01:47:29.340 So my government will immediately eliminate the divisive consumer carbon tax on families

01:47:37.020 and farmers and small and medium-sized businesses.

01:47:42.720 And we will stop the hike in the capital gains tax because we think builders should be incentivized

01:47:52.200 for taking risks and rewarded when they succeed.

01:47:59.340 Canada needs more of this type of change.

01:48:07.560 Change that puts more money in people's pockets.

01:48:11.120 Change that makes our companies more competitive.

01:48:14.720 Change that builds the strongest economy in the G7.

01:48:18.960 there is there's someone who's trying to do the opposite there's someone who's trying to weaken

01:48:32.640 our economy

01:48:33.600 yeah donald trump donald trump and donald trump as we know has put as the prime minister just said

01:48:47.820 unjustified tariffs on what we build on what we sell on how we make a living

01:48:55.700 he's attacking Canadian families workers and businesses and we cannot let him 1.00

01:49:02.900 succeed and we won't I am proud I am proud of the response of Canadians who

01:49:14.320 are making their voices heard and their wallets felt.

01:49:20.720 I am grateful for how our provinces are stepping up to the fight, because when we are united,

01:49:27.820 we are Canada strong.

01:49:40.520 The Canadian government has rightly retaliated and is rightly retaliating with our own tariffs

01:49:45.940 that will have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here in Canada.

01:49:53.560 My government will keep our tariffs on until the Americans show us respect.

01:50:11.320 And until they can join us in making credible and reliable commitments to free and fair

01:50:20.600 trade as Christian did and in the meantime we will ensure that all the

01:50:29.060 proceeds all the proceeds from our tariffs will be used to protect our

01:50:34.100 workers.

01:50:41.100 Les Américains veulent nos ressources, notre eau, notre territoire, notre pays.

01:50:52.100 Jamais, oui. Pensez-y. Pensez-y. Ça va détruire notre façon d'être.

01:51:01.100 The Americans want our resources, our water, our land, our country. 0.93

01:51:09.160 Think about it.

01:51:11.480 If they succeeded, they would destroy our way of life.

01:51:17.860 In America, health care is a big business.

01:51:22.040 In Canada, it is a right.

01:51:31.100 America, America is a melting pot. Canada is a mosaic.

01:51:46.100 Aux États-Unis, on ne reconnaît pas les différences, on ne reconnaît pas les Premières Nations,

01:51:59.600 et il n'y aura jamais de droit à la langue française.

01:52:04.960 La joie de vivre, la culture et la langue française font partie de notre identité.

01:52:11.040 And you have to protect them, you have to promote them.

01:52:24.040 We will never exchange them for any commercial accord.

01:52:32.040 look Canada America is not Canada and Canada never ever will be part of

01:52:46.260 of America in any way, shape, or form.

01:53:04.860 We didn't ask for this fight.

01:53:07.260 We didn't ask for this fight.

01:53:09.480 The Canadians are always ready

01:53:11.560 when someone else drops the gloves.

01:53:14.100 So the Americans, they should make no mistake.

01:53:16.900 In trade, as in hockey, Canada will win.

01:53:23.300 Those Americans,

01:53:26.300 I would say, like in hockey, we will win.

01:53:31.700 But this victory will not be easy.

01:53:40.100 We face the most important crisis in our lives.

01:53:44.100 Nous devrons faire des choses extraordinaires ensemble.

01:53:49.580 Nous devrons construire des choses que nous n'avions jamais imaginées,

01:53:54.900 un rythme que nous n'aurions jamais cru possible.

01:53:59.160 Et surtout, nous devons mettre les gens avant l'argent.

01:54:06.360 now

01:54:25.400 donald trump

01:54:28.600 is trying to weaken our economy but there's someone else

01:54:32.040 if he succeeds, will weaken our economy. It's Pierre Polyev.

01:54:40.700 Pierre Polyev just doesn't get it. He is the type of lifelong politician, and I've seen this type

01:54:52.980 around the world, a lifelong politician who worships at the altar of the free market despite

01:54:58.980 never having made a payroll himself. And now, and now in the face of President

01:55:13.020 Trump's threats, Pierre Polyev still, still refuses to get his security

01:55:19.380 clearance. At a time when our national security is under threat and has never

01:55:26.380 been before. At a time of immense economic insecurity, he would undermine the Bank of

01:55:35.980 Canada. Mr. Poiliev veut fermer Radio-Canada, Radio-Canada et CBC, à un moment où la désinformation

01:55:50.740 et l'ingérence étrangère sont en plein essor. Il insulte nos maires et il ignore

01:55:58.960 les Premières Nations quand il est temps de bâtir. Ils mettent fin à l'aide internationale

01:56:07.000 alors que la démocratie et les droits de leurs personnes ne sont en péril à travers

01:56:12.420 le monde. Et il laissera notre planète bloulée. Pierre Polyev would let our planet burn.

01:56:26.840 this is not leadership its ideology its ideology that betrays what we as Canadians value each

01:56:39.380 other it's an ideology that also represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how the economy

01:56:46.640 works. Now, unlike Pierre Polyev, I've actually worked in the private sector. I know. I know.

01:56:58.880 I know how the world works, and I know how it can be made to work better for all of us.

01:57:07.600 And that knowledge is especially useful now in the service of Canadians when we must build

01:57:14.960 a new economy and create new trading relationships.

01:57:26.480 Let me tell you something else that we know

01:57:29.040 that Pierre Polyev doesn't.

01:57:32.780 We know that markets don't have values.

01:57:36.120 People do.

01:57:38.640 And we know,

01:57:40.700 we know as liberals, that it's our job,

01:57:43.540 It's our job to make markets, to make the economy work for all Canadians.

01:57:49.540 These are the most powerful tool we've ever invented.

01:57:53.540 They can find solutions to our greatest problems.

01:57:57.540 And when the private sector, when the markets are governed well,

01:58:00.540 they deliver great jobs and stronger growth faster than anything.

01:58:05.540 But markets are also indifferent to human suffering,

01:58:10.540 and they are blind to our greatest needs.

01:58:13.540 So when they're not governed well, or not at all,

01:58:17.760 they will deliver enormous wealth for the lucky few and hard times for the rest.

01:58:25.880 And in this crisis, we must help those who are hit hardest by the American tariffs

01:58:36.300 while we build our strength here at home.

01:58:39.320 That's the right thing to do.

01:58:40.820 That's the fair thing to do.

01:58:42.160 That is the Canadian thing to do.

01:58:45.460 That is what makes us strong.

01:58:56.480 So Donald Trump thinks he can weaken us with his plan to divide and conquer.

01:59:06.900 Pierre Polyev's plan will leave us divided and ready to be conquered.

01:59:15.640 Because a person who worships at the altar of Donald Trump

01:59:20.560 will kneel before him, not stand up to him.

01:59:24.120 Pierre Polyev's slogans are not solutions, his anger is in action, his division is in

01:59:41.020 strength. Division won't win a trade war. Division won't pay the rent or the mortgage. Division

01:59:50.020 won't bring down the price of groceries. Division won't make Canada strong. 0.98

01:59:57.940 Voilà où mène la politique négative de la division et de la colère. La moitié des États-Unis

02:00:07.600 craint l'autre et sont méfie. Nous ne pouvons pas laisser une telle situation se produit au Canada.

02:00:20.020 Les Américains deviennent de plus en plus divisés, ce qui va les affaiblir, et nous

02:00:31.340 gagnerons cette bataille si nous sommes unis et forts.

02:00:36.300 Oui, on peut se disputer au sujet de la politique, on peut se disputer à propos de hockey,

02:00:50.020 On peut même être une fan des Euler à Ottawa.

02:00:55.940 C'est une paix libre.

02:00:59.400 Mais quand il s'agit du Canada, nous sommes tous de même côté.

02:01:03.960 Choisissons pour Canada.

02:01:06.080 Canada for.

02:01:08.960 Now, I've learned a few things from long experience in crises.

02:01:20.020 And the first is that plan beats no plan.

02:01:25.260 And you need to distinguish what you can change from what you can't.

02:01:31.200 We can't change Donald Trump, we can't change him.

02:01:36.200 Nous devons comprendre ce que nous pouvons et devons changer, nous sommes met chez nous.

02:01:46.860 And we can.

02:01:49.560 And because we're masters in our own home, we can control our economic destiny with a

02:01:54.780 plan that puts more money in your pockets, a plan that will ensure your government spends

02:02:00.880 less so Canada can invest more, a plan that builds millions of homes, a plan that makes

02:02:12.420 us an energy superpower in both clean and conventional energy a plan that creates new

02:02:21.540 trade corridors with reliable partners a plan that creates one canadian economy not 13.

02:02:31.940 because in canada we are stronger when we're united

02:02:35.300 we can give ourselves far far more than donald trump can ever take away

02:02:44.600 but it will it will take extraordinary efforts it won't be business as usual we will have to

02:02:58.160 do things we haven't imagined before at speeds we didn't think possible we will do it

02:03:04.180 We will do it for the common good so that everyone, everyone benefits.

02:03:15.180 You know, I do care about the economy.

02:03:20.180 But it's not because I'm an economist.

02:03:23.180 It's because I care about people.

02:03:27.180 That's why I'm a liberal.

02:03:29.180 That's why we are liberals.

02:03:34.180 On sait que la valeur d'une économie forte commence par des travailleurs qui ont de bons

02:03:44.180 emplois bien payés aujourd'hui et des avenirs plus brillants pour les jeunes de demain.

02:03:51.180 Nous savons, en tant que libéraux, que nous ne pouvons pas redistribuer ce que nous n'avons

02:04:00.180 pas.

02:04:01.180 Nous savons que nous ne pouvons pas être forts à l'étranger si nous sommes faibles à la maison.

02:04:09.800 Et nous savons que nous ne pouvons pas construire un avenir meilleur si nous ne pouvons pas gérer le présent.

02:04:20.260 so we need a strong economy but when we're fighting for a strong economy

02:04:27.360 we're fighting for good canadian health care for everyone we are fighting for strong support for

02:04:36.740 our seniors who built this country we are fighting we are fighting for child care for young families

02:04:43.680 that they've put in place.

02:04:46.460 We are fighting for dental care and pharma care

02:04:49.360 for everyone who needs it.

02:04:51.880 We are fighting for rights.

02:04:54.320 We are fighting for a strong economy

02:04:56.800 so we can create a more sustainable world

02:04:59.460 for our children and grandchildren.

02:05:02.740 And we will deliver.

02:05:13.680 I know, I know that these are dark days.

02:05:29.680 Dark days brought on by a country we can no longer trust.

02:05:34.680 We are getting over the shock, but let us never forget the lessons.

02:05:41.680 we have to look after ourselves.

02:05:45.440 And we have to look out for each other.

02:05:50.200 We need to pull together in the tough days ahead.

02:05:57.180 And so, those families watching this evening

02:06:01.200 in Fort Smith, in Edmonton,

02:06:04.020 and across every community in Canada,

02:06:07.340 I promise you this.

02:06:09.180 Together, we can and we will get through this crisis.

02:06:15.860 We can and we will come out stronger than ever.

02:06:23.320 And we will because Canada is built on the strength of its people.

02:06:31.260 From our mines to our ports, from our logging roads to our city streets,

02:06:36.420 We're strongest when we're united, when we're one economy, not 13, when we can cheer for different teams and still be on one team when it counts.

02:06:47.520 When we come together, when we come together, we build things that last because we are Canada strong.

02:06:58.000 Vive la Canada. Merci to me.

02:07:04.260 It's time to win.

02:07:06.420 that was kind of exactly what i expected mark carney to to say to try and distance himself

02:07:28.440 from justin trudeau while not angering the membership so much as to say it's so explicitly

02:07:34.480 how much of a disaster the last nine years were he saying that he's going to cancel the carbon tax

02:07:41.100 without mentioning the fact that he's going to maintain an industrial carbon tax and probably

02:07:46.040 jack that one up anyways just so that it can offset what they were gaining from the consumer

02:07:51.040 carbon tax at the end of the day consumers are going to continue to pay more for what they're

02:07:55.500 buying um what else do you what else did you get from that candace you're muted just a heads up on

02:08:02.860 In there that he's undoing all of the policies that he was championing up to like five minutes ago. So they've managed a coup, basically, they have replaced Justin Trudeau with his economic advisor. And now all of a sudden, they have to switch his policies because Justin Trudeau's policies have destroyed Canada. So now he has to pretend that he doesn't agree with them, that he never agreed with them, even though he was the one pushing them all along.

02:08:25.980 And we're going to see this drastic makeover of him, like as if he wasn't the person who was calling for carbon taxes and pushing the net zero approach all along.

02:08:35.040 He did it in the UK. He's been doing it in Canada. He's been doing it.

02:08:38.460 He was the one that was pushing it and advising Trudeau to do it. And they did it.

02:08:42.200 And now, you know, we see we see like a totally different person up there.

02:08:46.760 He was talking about how he goes to church. He was talking about how he, you know, has all this private sector experience.

02:08:53.500 it was kind of funny key and at one moment he talked about how he he has private sector experience

02:08:58.460 and pier poliev has never spent a day in the private sector and the audience erupts cheering

02:09:02.940 it's like hello the liberals have just been run for 12 years by justin trudeau who never worked

02:09:08.460 a day in his life really who every job he's ever gotten is because of his last name he didn't even

02:09:13.820 pretend to have merit-based jobs like ever other than maybe he got hired merit-based to be like a

02:09:19.420 a kayak instructor or something i don't know but he's never had he never had a serious job until

02:09:23.500 he woke up and decided to be a member of parliament and decided to run for the liberal party which

02:09:27.580 they handed to him so that you know the the to me that just showed like the liberals don't really

02:09:32.220 stand for anything they don't really care about anything all they care about is winning all they

02:09:36.620 care about is maintaining their power and ensuring that their power gets maintained and they're happy

02:09:41.340 to go along with absolutely anything in order to get there and so that is what we saw just like we

02:09:46.860 will say anything we will do anything just let us be in power give us the power we don't want to let

02:09:51.260 it go we don't want to let us slip away and i mean hearing mark carney seeing seeing him up there

02:09:57.180 you know i it's going to be a hell of a few months i think that hopefully what brian lee was saying

02:10:02.700 earlier is true and that we will get to go to a general election at this point i don't think that

02:10:07.900 this is a legitimate prime minister i don't think that he has any legitimacy over the canadian

02:10:12.460 public even the fact that i mean he he was a coronation he got 89 of the vote but even just

02:10:18.540 the fact that the liberal leadership race is open to anybody you don't have to pay any money so

02:10:23.500 there's no like there's no real barrier to entry you don't even have to be a voting age before

02:10:29.180 non-citizens can vote yeah you can be a permanent resident how many did how many how many citizens

02:10:34.860 just chose my prime minister right and they still only got what 150 000 votes it's fewer people than

02:10:40.860 and get our emails kian like our email list is bigger than the liberal party voting machine

02:10:45.900 which i mean i think we're doing great at juno knows and anyone who's listening thank you so

02:10:49.740 much for your support head on over to juno news and subscribe but the fact that 150 000 people

02:10:55.580 were not even sure if they're canadian citizens or adults um were the ones that selected this

02:11:00.940 person and i've been hearing on non-stop from people on x social media and just through my

02:11:06.380 inbox people talking about how they struggled to vote in this race like people who are liberals

02:11:10.860 who are part of the liberal party but there was some discrepancy in like the spelling of their

02:11:15.180 first name or they put a nickname or you know they put dan and their licenses said daniel or

02:11:19.300 something like that and all kinds of people who weren't able to vote who weren't so it's not even

02:11:23.900 a secure process i don't think this is a legitimate prime minister he's not my prime minister i want

02:11:29.360 an election i want election now and you know every single day this person is in power to me 0.98

02:11:34.240 is another day that Canadians are like marching closer 0.90

02:11:38.440 to the end of democracy in our country,

02:11:40.220 if you can even call this a democracy.

02:11:43.320 Yeah, you know, Justin Trudeau had some legitimacy, obviously.

02:11:46.380 You know, he ran in a leadership race.

02:11:47.740 He was a member of parliament.

02:11:49.020 Then he went to the Canadian people and asked for a mandate

02:11:51.560 and they gave it to him three times.

02:11:54.540 The third one a little bit, you know, shaky.

02:11:56.860 But hey, they ran in an election

02:11:59.480 where we at least could audit it

02:12:01.260 and see the facts of the case and that he did deserve to be there.

02:12:06.800 Mark Carney, you know, well, Justin Trudeau, to add this to the list of the illegitimacy

02:12:12.500 of this prime minister, Trudeau suspended democracy for two, almost three months now.

02:12:20.020 We have not had a functioning democracy.

02:12:22.760 Our representatives that we elect and pay for have been getting paid to do nothing.

02:12:27.460 They've actually been held outside of the House of Commons, unable to do their job, unable to pull the government down and pull us to an election.

02:12:35.340 Justin Trudeau has had absolute authority over this country so that the Liberal Party apparatchiks could choose who was going to replace them.

02:12:44.280 They could calm the waters, make sure Canadians didn't rise up, make sure they weren't able to speak, get anything done that they wanted to get done in terms of replacing a government.

02:12:53.920 And now they've installed this person who, through some backroom negotiations with Jagmeet Singh, seems to have at least the support of the NDP for the time being to maintain his job.

02:13:08.220 So whether there's going to be an election or not, I don't know.

02:13:11.260 But all I know is Mark Carney is an illegitimate prime minister.

02:13:14.420 He does not deserve to be called a prime minister.

02:13:17.020 He does not deserve a portrait in parliament.

02:13:20.060 he doesn't deserve the salary, and he has no right to be making executive decisions on behalf

02:13:25.240 of a G7 country right now. Calling it a democracy is a farce. I couldn't agree more. And I mean,

02:13:32.120 just the entire episode, the fact that everybody is just going along with it, like the media don't

02:13:35.820 mind, the insiders don't mind, like it's just like, hey, this is totally normal. You can just

02:13:39.920 pro-parliament, spend democracy, fix your own party internally, like put us on hold so that you

02:13:45.540 can try to figure out a new leader. It's a total farce. So I just want to play this clip. First

02:13:50.880 of all, this is Justin Trudeau announcing his resignation all the way back on January 6th. You

02:13:55.080 know, he could have just called an election on January 6th. We would have a legitimate prime

02:13:58.540 minister at this point. Hey, maybe it'd be a liberal, maybe not, but we would have a legitimate

02:14:01.860 prime minister. So this is what he had to say back on January 6th. I intend to resign as party leader,

02:14:09.420 as prime minister after the party selects its next leader through a robust nationwide competitive

02:14:18.640 process. And then I want to go to this one because after President Trump was elected in the United

02:14:26.560 States, not just winning the Electoral College, but he won the popular vote as well, which is rare

02:14:30.840 for a Republican given the demographics of the United States and how big California and New York

02:14:35.380 are. Just Trudeau just decided to like rub salt in the wounds of the relationship between Canada

02:14:40.360 and the U.S. And he gets up and he defends Kamala Harris and basically scolds the American public

02:14:46.220 for not electing a female president. First of all, any questions that you have about the relationship

02:14:51.960 between Trump and Trudeau, Trudeau is the aggravator. He is always the aggressor. He is

02:14:56.320 always the one trying to stick it to Donald Trump. And so anything Donald Trump is seeing now is

02:15:02.080 always a reaction to the things that Trudeau has been saying for a decade now. But this specifically

02:15:06.420 I want to play this clip. This is what he had to say about him being a proud feminist and a woman 0.89

02:15:12.240 not being elected in the States. Let's play that clip. Now it shouldn't be that way. It wasn't

02:15:17.800 supposed to be that way. We were supposed to be on a steady if difficult sometimes march towards

02:15:24.220 progress. And yet, just a few weeks ago, the United States voted for a second time to not

02:15:32.020 elect its first woman president. Everywhere, women's rights and women's progress is under

02:15:39.540 attack, overtly and subtly. But I want you to know that I am, and always will be, a proud

02:15:46.560 feminist. You will always have an ally in me and in my government. 1.00

02:15:50.840 isn't that so funny just so yeah the proud feminist over there hello your party just did 1.00

02:15:57.000 not just failed to elect its first female prime minister as well go ahead kim well exactly that 1.00

02:16:03.320 uh trudeau's abuse of women over the past nine years has just spoken for itself um he's called

02:16:09.320 himself a feminist because he's covering up for the fact that he punches when he punches women in 0.98

02:16:15.080 the boob and he sexually assaults people like bros knight um justin trudeau is not a feminist he's 0.97

02:16:21.480 not a friend of women and in fact when women speak up he fires them so set that aside what you just 0.98

02:16:28.580 mentioned is true two women were on the ballot one of them stood up justin trudeau and he threw

02:16:34.200 everything he could up behind her opponent to stop her from becoming the first liberal female prime

02:16:40.840 minister uh in this country uh so so it doesn't it's it's just laughable i'll put it that way

02:16:47.740 well it is and i mean you're right he he doesn't exactly have a great record when it comes to

02:16:53.480 women the whole idea when he first got elected was that he was going to have a gender balanced

02:16:57.060 cabinet um you know and he was asked why he couldn't explain it he was always just about

02:17:02.400 platitudes uh with trudeau so let's let's play this clip why do you have a gender balanced 0.99

02:17:07.040 cabinet to justin trudeau i understand one of the priorities for you was to have a cabinet

02:17:13.120 that was gender balanced why was that so important to you because it's 2015.

02:17:26.080 and that's it that's all that's all it takes just this current year therefore feminism

02:17:30.000 and of course how did that work out for justin trudeau well i think like half of those female 1.00

02:17:33.760 cabinets had to resign either because they didn't see eye to eye with trudeau or because they were

02:17:38.480 totally incompetent or had no business being there i'm thinking of someone like mariam monsef

02:17:42.640 uh who wasn't even from the place that she said that she was from she said she was afghanistan

02:17:47.040 uh refugee it turns out she was pouring in iran like she didn't even get her own biography correct

02:17:52.000 but anyways trudeau is always putting the optics first always putting feminism first and then to 1.00

02:17:57.360 the point about rose knight um well you know she she came out she had written an op-ed in her own

02:18:03.520 newspaper saying that he was it was unwelcomed what he was doing and he basically had to admit it

02:18:08.640 this is what he had to say about the allegations by the individual that he had groped her while

02:18:14.400 she was working for a newspaper working at a festival and he was coming on to her let's play

02:18:20.160 that clip i'm confident that i did not act inappropriately but i think the essence of this

02:18:28.000 is that people can experience interactions differently and part of the lesson we need to

02:18:34.840 learn in this time of collective awakening is a level of respect and understanding for the fact

02:18:42.300 that people in many cases women experience interactions in professional context in other

02:18:49.880 contexts differently than men he was sort of the expert at that key and anytime that he was caught

02:18:56.040 doing something atrocious he would just sort of collectively say like well we all know better now

02:19:00.920 he did it with blackface too it's like well we we didn't know back then that it wasn't appropriate 0.91

02:19:05.960 and you know she experienced it differently than me it's like and and yet he gets away with it like

02:19:11.320 when i go back and look at these clips and i look at the way that he behaved the record that he had

02:19:15.720 i mean back then it was more like he was a joke he was a butt of a joke he was not a serious

02:19:19.720 person and the media let him get away with it i think later on in his prime ministership he

02:19:23.720 it became darker like during covid and during the orders and the way he treated the unvaccinated the 0.97

02:19:28.600 way he treated the truckers uh but it's just like the guy could get away with absolutely anything

02:19:33.720 and it makes me truly worried about what they will let mark carney get away with what do you think

02:19:39.960 i think that that's exactly why they're going to go for an earlier earlier election so that

02:19:45.160 there's not an opportunity to audit mark carney's history we said it earlier in this program they

02:19:51.000 all they want us to know is his wikipedia page international banker worked for stephen harper

02:19:56.840 wow maybe he's even a conservative i don't know but the answer is that we need more answers uh we

02:20:03.080 need to be able to ask him and interrogate him why do you think you deserve to be uh the head of a

02:20:09.640 of a g7 country why why should our uh military be at your control why should our economy be at your 1.00

02:20:16.040 fingertips um he can't really answer those questions right now because uh any any answer

02:20:22.120 he gives will will hurt him well exactly and so the less we know about him the better and even just

02:20:28.520 that different side of him that we were seeing today like all of a sudden he's opposed to carbon

02:20:32.120 taxes like okay that's like he's written book he's written a book his book values was all about

02:20:36.680 how the globe just needs to like accept it he made a passing reference to the idea that

02:20:41.080 uh that pierre polyev uh didn't uh didn't was gonna let the planet burn um so so so presumably

02:20:48.600 he hasn't softened his views when it comes to climate change and perhaps the need to take

02:20:54.680 drastic action it just presumably won't come in the form of a carbon tax which i mean okay so

02:21:02.360 we're supposed to buy that we're supposed to buy into this idea that he's opposed to the carbon tax

02:21:06.680 I mean, he's going to replace it with something else.

02:21:08.880 We know that.

02:21:09.340 And we're going to have to pay.

02:21:10.900 We're going to have to pay for it.

02:21:12.180 So we want to go back to Justin Trudeau, because I was saying the early part of his prime 1.00

02:21:17.660 ministership, he was just a bumbling fool. 0.99

02:21:20.660 And then things got different. 0.99

02:21:22.480 I think that he took a different tone, took a different approach during COVID.

02:21:25.740 Canada was easily one of the most authoring places on planet Earth during COVID.

02:21:30.020 So here we go to August 19th, 2021, campaigning in Calgary.

02:21:35.220 And this is what Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had to say about getting vaccinated.

02:21:41.820 If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's your choice.

02:21:45.700 But don't think you can get on a plane or a train besides vaccinated people and put them at risk.

02:21:52.720 The angry Justin Trudeau, authoritarian Justin Trudeau.

02:21:55.540 And then here he is speaking in a French interview in September 16th, 2021,

02:22:01.920 One, talking about the unvaccinated, saying that they don't believe in science,

02:22:05.800 they're often racist and sexist, adding that we should not have to tolerate these people.

02:22:11.120 Let's play that clip.

02:22:13.000 And we all know people who are trying to hesitate a little bit.

02:22:17.400 We'll continue to convince them.

02:22:19.280 But there are also people who are seriously opposed to vaccination.

02:22:22.840 Who are extremists.

02:22:23.840 Who don't believe in science, who are often misogynes, 0.88

02:22:26.880 who are often racist too.

02:22:28.440 It's a small group, but it takes place.

02:22:33.340 And there, we have to make a choice as a leader, as a country.

02:22:36.840 Do we tolerate these people?

02:22:40.940 So that is the Justin Trudeau that we got.

02:22:43.440 The mask slipped and we learned the nature of the authoritarianness

02:22:47.740 behind the liberal leader.

02:22:50.740 And I want to jump to a guest.

02:22:53.840 We were supposed to have him on a little earlier,

02:22:55.540 They're not the typical sort of guests that we have here on Juneau News

02:22:58.220 at the Candace Malcolm Show, but I always welcome people

02:23:00.400 from different political perspectives and ideas.

02:23:03.740 And so I'm very pleased right now to be joined by Dan McTeague.

02:23:08.040 Dan served as a Member of Parliament for the Liberal Party

02:23:11.320 in the riding of Pickering, Scarborough East.

02:23:14.200 Dan, thank you so much for joining the show.

02:23:16.820 Candace, it's very good to be here and thank you very much.

02:23:19.140 Looking forward to watching this as well.

02:23:20.940 So some pretty exciting stuff I'm hearing from your guests here.

02:23:24.820 uh many most of which i've shared very deeply really okay well tell us about that so how is

02:23:29.620 it that a liberal mp agrees with what what he's hearing on the show tell me what uh what what what

02:23:35.620 what do you make of of everything that's happening the liberal party of my time is very different

02:23:39.460 than the liberal party of today uh we weren't a socialist party uh we weren't a party that engaged

02:23:44.500 in reckless spending uh we were always very mindful of our policy of the importance of a

02:23:51.620 very diverse country and keeping it united we weren't given to rampant and out of control

02:23:56.900 ideology we weren't a nation that was beset by ideas of social malaise that i think created

02:24:03.700 real problems for a lot of canadians in terms of pitting one group against another and of course

02:24:09.220 virtue signaling at every point and using every opportunity you could to really admonish those

02:24:14.180 who happen to disagree who weren't part of far left agenda and i think that's one of the main

02:24:18.740 reasons why the Liberal Party is going to have a real struggle at trying to maintain itself and

02:24:24.260 become increasingly relevant despite the polls. Many of those polls, of course, being offered by

02:24:29.720 individuals and companies and organizations that have done very well by the trio Liberals up until

02:24:34.300 now. But it was a very, you know, I think it's fair to say that what we're seeing here is really

02:24:39.280 the last gasp of what Grift has bought, if you will, over the past several years. And that's to

02:24:46.160 say that there are many people who are beholden to the Trudeau Liberals and as a result, as a

02:24:53.020 consequence, likely the Kearney Liberals as well. It seems to be the same group. We know that Katie

02:24:57.360 Telfords and the Gerald Butts were around for both Dalton McGinty and Kathleen Wynne, helped

02:25:02.660 destroy that party. We're behind Justin Trudeau. Obviously, his fame and fortune has diminished

02:25:08.880 dramatically. I suspect the same lies in the wait for Mark Kearney, who has been, for the past five

02:25:14.080 years at least, intensely involved with the economics and, of course, the policy deliberations

02:25:18.520 of this current Liberal government. That's why I believe its days are numbered and it's likely

02:25:22.920 that it's going to be several generations or at least several elections before the Liberal Party

02:25:26.740 gets back to being able to successfully challenge another election. Well, it was interesting to see

02:25:31.260 Jean Chrétien up there because I think that Jean Chrétien must feel the same way that you do. So

02:25:36.780 many of the positions that he's taken in recent years, even when it comes to relationship with

02:25:41.760 First Nations um has been quite at odds with with what uh Justin Trudeau believes and what he has

02:25:47.600 government at what point Dan would you say that the Liberal Party left you or like like was it

02:25:53.920 when Trudeau got elected was at some point during his time in office uh walk us through that.

02:25:59.600 Well I think for Justin Trudeau the idea was you know you saw things my way and if you didn't like

02:26:03.840 that there was the highway and for some of us uh at least those of us who are younger as far as the

02:26:08.880 previous caucus there's no way we're going to do that

02:26:11.280 Justin decided that he didn't need the old advisors and some

02:26:14.400 people who are very good in their departments in their own discipline

02:26:16.960 policy and otherwise and he threw them up overboard and said

02:26:20.080 i'm going to create a party that's based on who i choose who i hand

02:26:23.760 pick which is understandable leaders like to do that

02:26:26.640 but it came with a very you know significant

02:26:29.920 set of very negative policies that aren't very well known to Canadians

02:26:35.040 It's a very undemocratic party in which it became very top down.

02:26:40.260 I'll give an example, Candice.

02:26:41.920 You know, in my time as a member of parliament, prior to my time as well, we would have caucus meetings.

02:26:46.160 And those caucus meetings included the prime minister, the cabinet ministers, some senators, and of course the caucus members and no one else.

02:26:52.220 Same except someone from the whip's office who would bring in notes or whatever messages that you might have to send out or bring back in.

02:26:59.460 But it was pretty much closed confines.

02:27:01.060 That's who could participate.

02:27:02.120 and behind those closed doors you know you didn't like a policy or a direction that was taken by the

02:27:07.380 government you could you could excoriate the the minister responsible and have your moment with

02:27:12.100 the prime minister as well to talk about the problems the concerns or the ideas that you have

02:27:16.480 that no longer existed under justin trudeau there you had the katie telkers of this world the prime 0.99

02:27:21.500 minister's office sitting inside the caucus meeting anybody who got out of line you were

02:27:26.580 written down you weren't allowed to speak you were allowed to present private members bills

02:27:30.540 you weren't allowed to think for yourself frankly and you could no longer claim to represent your

02:27:34.880 constituents so that's a big difference between my caucus of the real Liberal Party going back to

02:27:39.740 whenever um you know a party that really wanted to look for the idea of providing people

02:27:45.920 opportunities uh and social responsibility as opposed to socialism and so there's a lot of

02:27:50.680 difference between my caucus my time and what we saw under Justin Trudeau and I think given that

02:27:55.880 you saw no contest you know realistically speaking in this particular leadership the

02:28:00.000 Liberal Party is the same party has been under Justin Trudeau. This is Justin Trudeau 2.0.

02:28:04.340 And anybody who thinks that it's somehow going to be different because it's a different name

02:28:07.380 is fooling themselves. Well, it's also, I mean, just the way you describe it is just a total

02:28:11.840 erosion of democracy. It doesn't feel like democracy at all. I want you to tell us what

02:28:16.900 you make of what happened between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland, because she

02:28:22.360 was sort of willing to go along with everything. And she was promoted all the way to the top,

02:28:26.040 deputy prime minister, finance minister, given this huge portfolio that she didn't really have

02:28:30.200 a background in at all, right? She was a journalist. And hey, not to knock journalists,

02:28:34.020 they do a hard job. But for her to go in, first become the foreign minister, foreign affairs

02:28:39.260 minister, and get that promotion into finance, you know, it seemed like her and Justin Trudeau

02:28:44.140 were tied together at the hip. And it was sort of shocking to see her leave in the way that she did

02:28:49.940 get thrown under, and then sort of run in this leadership race and sort of have a sad showing.

02:28:54.740 I mean, she barely broke 10 percent. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't close at all.

02:28:59.860 And I felt sort of sorry for her. I wonder what your position, what you make of all that is.

02:29:06.660 I think she was, as you quite rightly pointed out, not very qualified for the position, but

02:29:10.580 qualification had nothing to do when you're dealing with a very incompetent government,

02:29:14.340 financial rigors, guardrails, things like making sure that you can make the checkbook balanced,

02:29:20.420 the country could you know could improve its fiscal position at the same time honor its deaths

02:29:26.020 was simply thrown out the window we knew that going back to 2016 this is where justin trudeau

02:29:30.580 and his cohorts were going to take the the economy they didn't really care what the fiscal situation

02:29:35.780 was and it became pretty obvious that when you say your deficit will not pass 40 42 billion dollars

02:29:40.580 it winds up being 62 billion and you have more proposals to increase the cost and burden on

02:29:45.860 uh the finances of the country while at the same time pretending you can sprinkle money without

02:29:49.460 with abandon that there was a conflict and uh i don't think she was prepared to go along with it

02:29:53.460 because it was her credibility that was on the line and while that might have been good for mark

02:29:56.980 carney and some liberals it certainly wasn't good for canadians look i served in a time of those

02:30:01.460 liberals were very concerned about the fiscal responsibility of the country to not be concerned

02:30:06.660 about that meant that we were putting at risk serious social programs for generations to come

02:30:11.460 this generation said basically no it doesn't matter i think it's where chris ria freeland

02:30:14.820 really funny perhaps realized saw the light and said you know i cannot be part of government

02:30:19.540 that's going to uh put us into a reckless financial straitjacket the likes of which uh only a few

02:30:25.780 handful of liberals think is acceptable because uh many subscribe still to the the old you know

02:30:31.460 out-of-date notion of uh modern monetary theory in which you money grows in trees and you can spend

02:30:37.380 with abandon who cares someone else will underwrite it i think that's where the problem became

02:30:42.180 obvious. Perhaps Chrystia at the end saw that this is not the way in which Minister of Finance 0.54

02:30:48.020 is supposed to operate and of course it does limit our ability to do other things as a country and so

02:30:53.140 I suspect that this was really an example of just how significant Liberals took and how

02:31:00.100 seriously took the issue of fiscal responsibility. They've thrown it under the bus. It looks like

02:31:04.660 Mark Carney plans to somehow hide, cook the books, hide the numbers and continue down this line of

02:31:10.740 spending without any consequences and i guess this is a signal by the way

02:31:14.260 candace for our bond holding uh bond rating agencies who have been very lazy

02:31:18.500 and actually believe you can think about it and i've spoken a few of them said to

02:31:23.060 me look we think that the federal government can use the qpp and the cpp

02:31:26.900 our canada pension plan really as leverage if you will or as

02:31:31.540 collateral against this debt it's absolutely insane

02:31:34.740 it's terrifying well one of the interesting things about

02:31:37.540 mark carney's background is that he sort of paints himself as always being there to help

02:31:41.220 in a crisis he claimed that he had an instrumental role back in 2008 and helping jim flaherty uh get

02:31:46.580 through the financial crisis stephen harper the prime minister at the time came out and said that's

02:31:50.020 just not the case he also said in the english debate a few weeks ago that he helped paul martin

02:31:56.740 bounce the budget well it turns out that well when paul martin famously you know the budget that

02:32:01.620 changed everything in canada that we were talking about canada almost itself faced bankruptcy we

02:32:06.260 We didn't have anyone willing to buy our bonds,

02:32:09.240 at least it didn't seem like it.

02:32:10.640 Paul Martin had to roll up his sleeves as finance minister.

02:32:12.820 It was a 1995 budget that put Canada on the path

02:32:16.460 towards balancing the books in 1998.

02:32:19.860 So in 1995, Mark Carney had nothing to do

02:32:23.140 with the government.

02:32:23.980 He was actually a student in England at the time.

02:32:25.720 In 1998, when the books were finally balanced,

02:32:29.020 Mark Carney was a banker working for Goldman Sachs

02:32:31.600 in New York or Hong Kong.

02:32:33.560 So he wasn't involved.

02:32:35.140 The Toronto Sun asked for clarification as to what he meant by saying that he helped Paul Martin balance the books.

02:32:40.780 And they said, well, he was working for the Ministry of Finance in 2004.

02:32:44.660 So, you know, he was a bureaucrat, not exactly the one balance in the book, but he sort of claimed to have an outsized role there.

02:32:52.460 Do you think him sort of paying homage to that time and those leaders in the Liberal Party mean that perhaps he is serious about balancing the budget?

02:32:59.960 What is your take on all that?

02:33:02.420 I called it off very early on when I heard Mr. Carney was going to run

02:33:08.300 and then made that claim about 2008 that he had something to do with

02:33:12.600 averting the economic crisis that befell our friends to the south of the border.

02:33:18.180 It's pretty clear that he didn't and it had a lot to do with, yes, Jim Plarity and Stephen Harper.

02:33:22.760 But I also give credit where credit's due.

02:33:25.520 The person who prevented deregulation of the banking system that led to the crisis in the United States

02:33:30.920 and did not have the same effect here in Canada because we did not do that was a guy named Paul

02:33:34.840 Martin uh happened to be my boss uh of course and uh David Dodge uh both uh fiscal and monetary uh

02:33:42.520 you know pumps if you will working in sync saying we're not going to let it was Matthew Barrett by

02:33:47.400 the way he was a former CEO chair of Bank of Montreal who was pushing this along with a lot

02:33:51.320 of other investment bankers and uh when they said no in late 1999 and 2000 it really meant that we

02:33:58.520 We had protected ourselves, inoculated ourselves against the crisis that we saw in 2008.

02:34:03.840 As for the measures that were taken at that time, well, I was vice chair of the industry

02:34:07.700 committee.

02:34:08.140 I worked with my colleague and chair, James Rajat.

02:34:10.540 We came up with seven unanimous proposals, along with the NDP and even the bloc.

02:34:14.480 And we worked hard to get that to the government.

02:34:16.140 One of them included, of course, depreciation, being able to write off depreciation much

02:34:20.660 faster so companies would have an incentive to invest and to really shield us from the

02:34:26.000 full effects of an economic meltdown.

02:34:27.980 so all of this means to me when I saw that I thought this is shameless self-promotion by Mark

02:34:32.260 Carney then I heard he said 1998 that he had something to do with balancing the budget is

02:34:35.840 you quite right I mean wow the extent to which this prepared this person is prepared to be

02:34:40.160 mendacious is a very troubling sign that he was not able to be taken on as seriously as he was

02:34:45.820 as he should have been during the leadership tells you it was a slam dunk it was a coronation

02:34:49.840 that's exactly what it is but he won't have the same ability to evade these tough questions

02:34:55.020 especially the one where he says, I'm going to stand up to Donald Trump.

02:34:57.780 Yeah, but you sent 4,000 jobs at Brookfield down there under your watch.

02:35:00.940 So there's a lot on Mark Carney here, I know, that's been discussed by previous guests.

02:35:04.900 I will be looking from the perspective of knowing what we did from 1993 to 2011

02:35:09.200 and contrast that with what he pretends to have done,

02:35:13.580 which in my view, he wasn't there for those things,

02:35:15.940 nor should he claim any type of credit for anything,

02:35:18.460 no more than the other Liberal MP or any other member of Parliament at the time.

02:35:21.960 Well, it's wild too, Dan, that he gets away with it, right? Like you would expect a free press and a free society to have these kinds of questions, to be ready for these kinds of questions. I mean, even just the way that Ruby Dalla was tossed out of the leadership race, for reasons that are still unclear, after one of a former chief of staff of the Liberal Party was on the CBC a few days earlier saying that she hopes that the party finds a legitimate way to disqualify her before the debates,

02:35:51.740 because they were worried that she would turn the debates into quote a circus so basically they were

02:35:57.020 worried that ruby dolly ruby doll might ask questions that would appear to what uh unravel 0.99

02:36:05.260 the the the the whatever's around mark cardi to allow us to see a different side of him or i mean

02:36:11.180 to me it's just so controlled it wasn't a free and open and robust competition as justin trudeau

02:36:16.860 promised when he resigned on january 6th he said it would be an open robust and it wasn't

02:36:21.660 it just wasn't they didn't allow people in the media weren't allowed in independent journalists

02:36:26.140 weren't allowed in everything was very tightly scripted and it just it to me it's it's unbelievable

02:36:31.900 that that they let him get away with this um can you talk about what the media's role in all of

02:36:37.020 this has been well it's pretty clear that many people uh chose not to pick that issue up and

02:36:42.380 one has to ask why because they've left themselves wide open to the accusation which i think is very

02:36:47.340 fair that they are you know they're paid very well to to look after those who've been they

02:36:52.380 who've been looking after them for the past decade the degree to which they do not like perhaps the

02:36:57.180 message that it's time to rein in uh you know freebies for the press uh it goes equally with

02:37:03.020 some of the pollsters out there who've done extraordinarily well uh under the liberal regime 0.82

02:37:07.420 the kd telfords of this world who've been out giving out money to every tom dick and harry out

02:37:11.580 there in terms of surveys in terms of wonderful things that have made them hundreds if not

02:37:17.100 millions of dollars uh in uh in contracts so a lot of people have a lot to lose kendis by a new

02:37:23.500 government that is prepared to say all right we you know you stand or fall on your own merits

02:37:28.700 and that's going to be a very tough uh message for many to swallow many are being told now

02:37:33.820 stand up otherwise the grift will end and let's call it what it is it is grifting it's basically

02:37:39.100 i'm going to support you scratch my back i'll scratch yours so if you don't i'm going to 0.92

02:37:42.780 scratch your eyes out and that's exactly what's happened here i think increasingly uh they want 0.55

02:37:47.820 to create an impression of something that doesn't exist and they're doing so because they have

02:37:51.660 access to the public monies the moment that gets cut off they're gone and as irrelevant as many of

02:37:57.340 their statements and their willingness to overlook uh very serious uh comments that mr kearney and

02:38:03.180 others have made and mr kearney uh is looking a lot worse than say the accusations went against

02:38:07.980 Paul Martin 20 years ago when he was

02:38:10.660 former chair of Canada

02:38:12.680 Steamship Lines. He took a lot

02:38:14.700 of hits for that. I suspect

02:38:16.580 that what Mr. Carney has done with Brookfield

02:38:18.160 makes it very difficult for Canadians to solve the idea

02:38:20.720 that we can stand up to the Americans in the trade

02:38:22.700 tariffs, Trump's

02:38:24.400 trade tariff threats

02:38:26.060 when you have a Prime Minister

02:38:28.580 as of tomorrow, I guess, who's already

02:38:30.580 surrendered to the Americans long before the battle

02:38:32.580 started and decided to send and ship

02:38:34.460 this company off to New York. If that's

02:38:36.680 way in which you create jobs in canada and you want to stand up for canadians and make things

02:38:40.360 better i can't think of the worst way to to imagine that because in the optics on this are

02:38:44.360 very terrible the next thing of course is will be what happens just a couple of weeks when the

02:38:48.120 carbon taxes kick in yes he'll probably get rid of it but he wants to impose it on business he

02:38:52.360 wants to hide it and he wants to force uh business to make decisions to leave this country there's a

02:38:57.400 lot to go on mr uh on mr carney and if i know that just from where i stand i'm not part of any

02:39:03.080 particular political organization. But if I know that, I can only imagine that the Conservatives

02:39:08.020 and others are going to pounce on this. And by the way, a final note to my good friends in the NDP,

02:39:13.000 a new Democrat voting for a banker, that'll be very rare.

02:39:15.860 Well, it's such a strange optic, right? Because Justin Trudeau moved the party to the left,

02:39:20.320 and he seemed like a person of the left. So it sort of made sense that NDP and Liberals would

02:39:25.120 have this coalition, and that Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singer is sort of cut from the same cloth.

02:39:29.100 But yeah, when you put in Mark Carney, the central banker, the wealthy international businessman, we don't even know what companies he still owns shares and we don't know where his financial interests are. He said he was off of all the boards and then it turned out that he was still on a few. He hasn't been completely straight about that. And again, typically you would have a free press that was out there digging and reporting and demanding answers and they wouldn't sort of let him get away with this. And yet they completely have.

02:39:57.640 And I wonder, like, even just the idea that we are in this existential threat from the Americans because Donald Trump is being so unreasonable.

02:40:06.120 I mean, that's what the narrative in Canada is, this idea that Canada is like a total Boy Scout and we haven't done anything wrong.

02:40:12.720 I mean, I think that Canada needs to start looking internally at so many of the subsidies and the protections that we have on our own industry.

02:40:18.800 I mean, you mentioned that there's so much corporate welfare within the Liberal Party and that's so much of how they govern and what they believe in, including right up into the press.

02:40:26.700 they'll literally pay off the media in order to get the kind of coverage that they want and

02:40:31.020 continue that i worry that in in an election between liberals and conservatives both parties

02:40:37.180 are just sort of going to the highest bidder like like if if the liberals are running a platform to

02:40:42.140 double the budget of the cbc and the conservatives are trying to say we're going to cut the cbc

02:40:47.020 it's just it's not going to be a fair fight at all and i i also just wonder about um mark carney

02:40:53.660 and that story with Brookfield about whether it's resonating or not. We had a guest earlier who said

02:40:57.340 that it was probably too complicated and Canadians don't really understand it. I think it's an

02:41:02.860 important story because if the narrative of this election and if we're going into an election

02:41:07.500 and the whole idea is who can protect Canada from President Trump, how can you possibly go

02:41:13.500 with the banker who already moved his own business into the states? And we've seen this in the past

02:41:18.460 end there was a clip from I think 2021 where Pierre Polyev had Mark Carney at a committee and

02:41:23.740 he was asking him you know why is it that you support pipeline bans in Canada but you your

02:41:29.020 company invests in pipelines in all these other countries and Carney sort of tried to give a

02:41:34.380 convoluted answer about how global markets are different and that every country has its own

02:41:38.940 standards or something like that but you know the bottom line is that this person doesn't support

02:41:44.060 growth in canada and yet judging by his investments and where he puts his money he's okay with all

02:41:49.820 kinds of stuff in other countries do you think the canadian public are going to see this kind

02:41:54.460 of thing do you think this message is getting through to canadians the trump tariffs have

02:41:59.260 demonstrated to canadians the need to build pipelines so this man's message isn't just about

02:42:03.180 having to walk back the idea of building pipelines and blocking them this man has also made it very

02:42:08.700 clear that he's going to find the financial means to strangle uh the oil and gas sector our number

02:42:14.620 one producer of revenues to pay our social programs has been compromised by mark carney

02:42:21.100 if it were up to him or not for trump i'm sure he'd be doubling down on that but he is going to

02:42:26.220 continue the pain that canadians cannot afford under this myth and i you know i'll take debate

02:42:31.500 anybody this because they're not basing on science they were uh they wouldn't be making the comments

02:42:35.980 that they do about CO2 and things like that.

02:42:38.340 But Mark Herney is using an opportunity

02:42:40.620 given to him by international organizations,

02:42:42.400 not by anyone in particular.

02:42:44.240 He's got 130,000 liberals who voted for him.

02:42:46.820 That's wonderful.

02:42:47.760 He's got to take this message to people and say,

02:42:49.380 I plan to inflict more pain on you,

02:42:51.400 drive up the cost of energy,

02:42:52.640 drive up the cost of living,

02:42:54.040 while at the same time sacrificing our ability

02:42:56.840 to get our energy and our other products to market.

02:43:00.320 And he's not the type of person I think

02:43:02.180 that you want to have in that kind of circumstance

02:43:04.400 because he's beholden to another agenda driven by another organization around the world.

02:43:09.400 And I think that's very dangerous for a country to allow itself to be subject to the whims of an organization

02:43:15.540 or organizations that are committed to reducing our ability to get energy

02:43:20.120 and their product to market is extraordinarily damaging to Canadians.

02:43:23.920 And no Canadian who believes in a strong, viable energy or our manufacturing sector

02:43:32.240 or our mining sector or our farming sector all those things are under attack under Mark Carney's

02:43:36.240 idea of net zero and for that reason if you look very carefully at what he said he's not going to

02:43:41.440 be able to defend the idea that he can grow the economy without first suffocating it and if that's

02:43:45.200 what he's going to do then the Canadians have to make a real tough decision and this idea that

02:43:49.200 oh he's nice and oh he's not as mean or he's not as tough and we need someone who's

02:43:54.320 likable he's a new face better get over themselves because I tell you right now most people can't

02:43:59.200 afford what has happened to this country this next generation is taking over is receiving not only 1.00

02:44:03.680 massive debts they have no jobs they have no opportunities and if grandparent liberals of

02:44:08.800 my generation believe that it's okay to saddle your kids and your grandchildren uh with these

02:44:13.360 kind of debts because it's all about you and it's all about your vision you're all about your

02:44:17.120 narrative you failed and you're failing them and you ought to stop long before you do any damage

02:44:22.080 to the next generation that's such a good way of putting it i want to bring it back because the

02:44:25.920 idea like to me it's very concerning that mark carney was a chair and board member on the world

02:44:31.200 economic forum i think that it raises serious legitimate concerns it doesn't seem like the

02:44:35.360 liberals or the media take that seriously at all like there was a podcast between mark carney and

02:44:40.800 mp nate nate smith where they were kind of laughing about it and almost kind of he was

02:44:44.400 kind of boasting about how like he played this outsized role in the world economic forum um

02:44:49.360 there's a there's a clip that was going sort of viral and it was really telling of a journalist

02:44:55.120 trying to ask danielle smith like what was premier of alberta daniel smith like what what do you have

02:44:59.920 against the world economic forum like what is it that you don't like and she basically just said

02:45:04.800 look i don't like billionaires bragging about how they control politicians like i don't think that's

02:45:10.880 a good idea like i don't know how more clear we can spell it out to people about this organization

02:45:16.640 and it's like they don't they they don't see anything wrong and they like the fact that he's

02:45:20.880 part of the world economic forum what do you think of that well i think canadians who surrendered to

02:45:25.280 the idea that some other people should uh you know should should somehow control our destiny

02:45:30.240 or manage our destiny is uh is basically ignorance and it's willingness to basically uh lie down

02:45:36.240 prostrate before people who uh uh who frankly don't have our interests at heart when it comes

02:45:40.640 down to it these people would like to have have a very significant agenda and it's not theirs it's

02:45:45.360 for the wealthy for the rich but most importantly it's also about control it's authoritarianism

02:45:50.320 It's about the need. How do we get someone elected as prime minister without even having a seat, much less, you know, you know, a chance to be tested in the polls?

02:45:59.660 Now, I'm sure Mr. Carney will play that in the next few weeks.

02:46:02.080 But in the meantime, we have a we have a scenario that's played out in which, you know, one of the chosen ones from the WEF, from the United Nations Climate Agenda Group, has now basically got Canada.

02:46:14.540 They're going to use Canada as a pawn and an example of saying, hey, if we can achieve it in Canada, we can achieve it elsewhere.

02:46:19.440 at a time in which the world is reeling, Europe is walking away from green energy and the net zero

02:46:24.300 policies, at a time in which Asia is ignoring it to a large extent, at a time in which our own

02:46:29.840 economic future dictates that we can't and we must resist those who have this woke idea about

02:46:35.640 you know somehow you know a particular molecule should somehow stifle an economy. If that's what

02:46:41.900 Canadians want and are simply oblivious to well I can only suggest that they are going to inflict 0.99

02:46:47.300 even greater pain on themselves but i know for a fact that a party that has spent three elections

02:46:52.980 in 10 years and brought the economy literally to its knees and made kenny's scent have a sense that

02:46:58.100 things are not going well is not likely to be returned it doesn't matter what kind of uh you

02:47:03.300 know if you will uh what kind of lipstick lipstick you put on the pig the reality is you cannot turn

02:47:08.980 a you know a silk purse uh you know a silk person uh that's right i use the expression you can't

02:47:15.300 use the cells here to to make a silk person i think for a lot of canadians it's over and once

02:47:19.860 the pollsters get over themselves a few weeks into this and it's a strong push back in the campaign

02:47:24.260 and more people coming out saying this guy is wrong this is a man who's gonna be very dangerous

02:47:28.900 to the country i think canadians will awaken look the country's broke it cannot continue down this

02:47:34.020 road and anybody who believes that it can and more of the same as we've seen for the past 10 years

02:47:39.140 is deluding and kidding themselves and as i said earlier if it happens to be a particular

02:47:42.900 constituency people you know who have been of a particular age nice pensions got everything looked

02:47:48.500 after shame on you for basically betraying the next generation because that's exactly what you're

02:47:53.940 doing by voting liberal in the next election well it's so heartbreaking to see i spend time online

02:47:58.340 and you know seeing young canadians people posting things like i saw something on tiktok the other day

02:48:03.940 about a young man who's basically his rent was just raised he said to 92 of his salary and it's

02:48:09.460 like he's you know he's got kids and he's got a family and it's like how can you survive in this

02:48:14.500 economy it's so sad one of the things that was so stark in that speech that mark carney gave

02:48:19.940 and was it i feel like i just don't know him very well like i watch politics every day i watch it

02:48:24.260 for a living i do a live news show every single day we've spent a lot of the time over the last

02:48:29.460 eight weeks trying to get to know mark carney and i don't really know i don't know if he's woke he

02:48:34.260 said that he's woke. There was a clip of him saying that in the United States, they have a

02:48:39.140 war on woke, but not in Canada. We're going to prioritize inclusion. Like, I don't know what

02:48:43.660 that means. Like, what is his view on whether boys can become girls or what is his view on

02:48:48.600 just any number of things? Like he hasn't been asked these kinds of questions. We don't really

02:48:54.120 even know what his economic position is because the point that you made, he's sort of exaggerated

02:48:58.820 and inflated his his role so we don't know if he's going to be more like a like a paul liberal or

02:49:04.500 maybe even like a stephen harper jim flarity or if he's over on the justin trudeau side he's been

02:49:08.980 advising justin trudeau for the last many years he seems like he is trying to be all things to

02:49:14.620 all people and the point of an election is to get to know the leader to get to know who he is and

02:49:20.840 how he thinks and what kind of decisions he will make and it's such again just to go back to this

02:49:25.180 to disservice that the media has done to not even prod and push

02:49:29.420 and try to get answers to make him sit down for interviews

02:49:32.820 and try to get to know him.

02:49:34.660 I want to just ask you this final question.

02:49:37.520 I want to be here for the time.

02:49:39.420 When do you think we're going to get an election?

02:49:41.500 Do you think that Mark Carney is going to trigger something right away?

02:49:44.040 Do you think he's going to try to form another coalition government

02:49:46.660 with the NDP?

02:49:48.240 What's your what's your what is it looking like?

02:49:50.600 What's your prediction?

02:49:51.900 Oh, he's got a stopwatch in front of him.

02:49:55.180 He knows that he has to produce his own assets within the next 60 days.

02:49:59.800 And then the final detail as to his assets and how he's made his money in 120 days.

02:50:05.640 So that's really the time limit.

02:50:07.300 I don't think he can go beyond that.

02:50:08.860 He doesn't have a legitimate government.

02:50:11.580 I mean, we've been running with no parliament, no House of Commons for all intents and purposes,

02:50:16.040 except question period since September.

02:50:17.980 and I suspect that that burden has to be placed on him

02:50:22.080 and as much as he's going to try to shed the image

02:50:25.160 of what the Liberal Party has done to Canadians

02:50:27.000 and damaged the outlook of this country,

02:50:28.920 I mentioned, you know, run your way

02:50:31.020 and rampant economic malaise and social malaise

02:50:35.000 and identity crisis and take your pick.

02:50:37.960 There isn't a whole lot out there that looks great right now

02:50:40.320 and there are not a lot of people out there

02:50:41.720 feeling better about themselves than they did

02:50:43.480 over the past decade.

02:50:45.140 I suspect he's going to have to call the election

02:50:47.020 nice and early. I'm with Brian Lilly on this one. I heard him earlier. I think you're going to get

02:50:52.040 the election call at least within the next fortnight. And I think that would mean that

02:50:56.740 you got an election just after Easter. So for a lot of people out there, you're going to have a

02:51:01.060 chance. And this is going to be a no holds barred campaign. We know that those who are not going to

02:51:06.420 cover the real issues that are coming out there have an agenda. Let's understand that from the

02:51:11.700 outset. It'll be up to folks like you and me to come out and say they have an agenda, they have

02:51:16.640 conflict of interest don't expect them to be honest or objective about this particular campaign

02:51:21.440 what is clear to canadians is that they need a change and they need for once and for a very

02:51:26.720 refreshing period of time some objectivity in the way things are being reported i don't expect that

02:51:31.600 to happen for people who know full well that should uh there be a poly of government their

02:51:36.240 jobs are on the line well thank you so much uh for your time really appreciate i'll have to have you

02:51:40.480 back on again there dan so that's dan mcteague who was a member of parliament for 18 years

02:51:45.360 in ontario in the riding of pickering scarborough east for the liberal party uh the liberal party

02:51:50.320 not not the same liberal party today uh in name but uh probably not in ideas or in spirit uh dan

02:51:55.520 thanks so much for joining the show appreciate you all right everybody well thank you so much

02:52:00.800 for tuning in we're really excited about election i hope dan is right i hope brian lily is right and

02:52:04.560 i hope that we are heading into an election because canada desperately needs one like i

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Juno News - March 10, 2025

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