Juno News - May 06, 2020


Machine Guns in the Streets？


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

180.00511

Word Count

7,741

Sentence Count

427

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.760 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:13.060 Coming up, the mainstream media is peddling misinformation about firearms,
00:00:17.220 Tom Cruise is going to space,
00:00:18.900 and the liberal ban on conversion therapy is actually nothing of the sort.
00:00:25.180 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:30.000 Hey, welcome along everyone to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show,
00:00:35.440 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.
00:00:38.660 Thank you so much for tuning in,
00:00:40.520 especially after the firearms intensive episode we did on Monday.
00:00:44.560 It ended up being a deep dive into all things guns,
00:00:47.480 talking about the liberal gun ban last week.
00:00:50.220 And there's going to be some more firearm stuff in this show,
00:00:52.520 but we're also going to get on to some other topics.
00:00:55.080 In particular, MP Garnett Janis is going to join
00:00:58.000 to talk about why the liberal definition of conversion therapy
00:01:01.900 that they're using to impose a ban on it
00:01:04.420 isn't actually the real definition.
00:01:06.980 And in his eyes, there's going to be a creation of more problems
00:01:10.820 than the bill solves.
00:01:12.540 So we'll talk about that later on in the show.
00:01:14.400 Also, a couple of little odds and ends that I didn't get to on Monday
00:01:17.540 and some other things happening in the world.
00:01:19.660 This one's going to be a bit more free form.
00:01:21.520 I don't even know where we're going to go.
00:01:22.780 I just know how long we're going to do it for.
00:01:24.440 And at the end, maybe we'll go back to having something
00:01:26.820 that's a bit more rigidly structured.
00:01:28.260 But I've just got more stories than I can fit in.
00:01:31.120 So I figure if I promise I'm going to get to all of them, I won't.
00:01:34.000 So I'm just going to, at some point, just go tab fishing
00:01:36.660 and talk about various things that are happening.
00:01:39.120 But this one I did plan.
00:01:41.280 This one I did plan.
00:01:42.580 And that is that, did you know there are machine guns
00:01:45.720 that are just ubiquitous throughout Canada?
00:01:47.620 That everywhere you go, there's a machine gun.
00:01:49.780 Just machine guns, Tommy guns, Uzis, Gatling guns,
00:01:52.780 no matter what, it's there.
00:01:54.920 I didn't, but I have stand, I'm standing to be corrected here
00:01:58.560 because Heather Malick says so.
00:02:00.760 Heather Malick, the Toronto Star scribe, says in a column,
00:02:04.160 don't grandfather machine guns, eliminate them.
00:02:07.740 Now, there are a lot of things in that.
00:02:10.300 It's how many words?
00:02:10.960 One, two, three, four, six words in that headline.
00:02:13.120 And I think she's probably managed to have something wrong
00:02:15.560 with every single one of them.
00:02:17.400 But I want to go through this.
00:02:18.860 The idea that she's putting forward in the column,
00:02:22.260 which is actually a sensible enough idea
00:02:24.660 if you try to attribute sense to Heather Malick,
00:02:28.700 which is a big if.
00:02:29.560 But if you do, her point is that if these guns are so terrible,
00:02:33.960 why are you giving people two years?
00:02:35.800 The liberals have put in this two-year amnesty period.
00:02:38.620 You can still own the guns for two years
00:02:40.640 while the liberals try to figure out what to do with them.
00:02:43.640 And the idea that she's putting forward here
00:02:45.980 is that if they're so bad, you should just get rid of them,
00:02:48.840 ban them, take them back immediately,
00:02:50.900 confiscate them, do whatever you need to,
00:02:52.840 but don't let people have these guns.
00:02:55.360 And that is actually not an illogical position.
00:02:58.340 Now, for obvious reasons, I don't want the liberals to do it,
00:03:01.900 but it makes sense.
00:03:03.120 Because if the next two years show there's no gun crime,
00:03:06.340 no mass shootings, and people still are under this amnesty,
00:03:09.220 doesn't that prove what gun owners are saying now,
00:03:11.980 which is that there isn't really all that much of an issue
00:03:15.120 in Canada from guns,
00:03:16.820 and specifically from the type of guns
00:03:18.560 that the liberals have now prohibited.
00:03:20.760 So that's part of it here.
00:03:22.020 And by the way, if you look at the prohibition list,
00:03:24.060 it's quite interesting.
00:03:25.220 We talked last week about the Facebook group name
00:03:27.720 and the blog name.
00:03:29.000 There have been some other things
00:03:30.120 that have been found on here to be banned.
00:03:32.080 And we'll talk about this very briefly now,
00:03:34.440 because one of them was like a missile launcher,
00:03:37.100 a rocket launcher, grenade launchers,
00:03:39.240 none of which you could get in Canada.
00:03:41.480 And the liberals have not actually put forward anything
00:03:44.860 to support the idea that you could have gotten these guns before.
00:03:48.580 I mean, if so, that is just a missed opportunity
00:03:50.840 for a lot of gun owners,
00:03:52.000 that we could have been arming ourselves
00:03:53.780 with whole, you know, rocket launchers,
00:03:56.280 anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft guns,
00:03:58.620 the whole shebang.
00:03:59.380 You could just sit out on your balcony in the summer,
00:04:01.520 sit out on your porch and, you know,
00:04:03.180 crack a beer, lay back, put on some Frank Sinatra,
00:04:05.820 and start just lobbing grenades
00:04:07.320 into the field behind you.
00:04:09.120 But apparently you could do that no longer.
00:04:12.660 So Heather Malick, however, to go back to this,
00:04:15.580 is saying that we should just get rid of guns.
00:04:18.700 But here's the problem with this.
00:04:20.140 Machine guns.
00:04:21.760 These are not machine guns.
00:04:23.440 I've spoken at endless lengths about this,
00:04:26.320 the difference between semi-automatic
00:04:28.460 and what a lot of people think it means,
00:04:30.140 which is fully automatic,
00:04:31.420 like a gun where you hold the trigger
00:04:33.460 and it just keeps shooting.
00:04:34.780 But Heather Malick doubles down on this.
00:04:36.620 And she says in the column,
00:04:38.660 semi-automatic in name only,
00:04:41.260 they can easily fire almost as fast
00:04:44.080 as an automatic rifle used in war.
00:04:46.580 In other words, they are basically machine guns,
00:04:49.280 but not called that because simple words
00:04:51.480 are obscured by cults lobbying for mainstream respect
00:04:54.960 while whitewashing hideous death,
00:04:57.400 e.g. shooter, which evades the more damning gunman word.
00:05:00.840 Now, I don't think that shooter and gunman,
00:05:02.840 when you're talking about a criminal,
00:05:04.080 are all that dissimilar.
00:05:05.200 I say killer, I say murderer.
00:05:07.120 So I don't think that cults are lobbying for this,
00:05:10.180 like she tends to say about the gun community.
00:05:13.120 But also, there are just a lot of assumptions here.
00:05:16.200 Now, she claims in the column that she grew up with guns.
00:05:19.620 I don't believe that.
00:05:20.920 I think that she's just illiterate and grew up with gum.
00:05:23.980 And that's the only thing that I can think of.
00:05:26.000 I said on Twitter that Heather Malick
00:05:27.560 is either the most willfully ignorant person
00:05:29.600 in Canadian media,
00:05:30.720 or she's the greatest performance artist of our era.
00:05:33.940 I can't decide which because with stuff like this,
00:05:36.620 I assume that she has to be putting on just some act.
00:05:39.660 And this has to be some big stunt
00:05:41.240 that's like an Andy Kaufman-esque attempt at just,
00:05:44.260 you know, pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.
00:05:46.040 And she's been doing it for 20 years
00:05:47.600 and is going to keep doing it
00:05:48.960 because no one can be this willfully ignorant about guns.
00:05:52.620 For her to claim that she grew up with them,
00:05:54.700 I don't think she ever touched them.
00:05:56.360 I don't think she ever asked anyone about them.
00:05:58.260 I don't think she knows anything
00:06:00.280 because if she did,
00:06:01.420 she would know why this is just wrong.
00:06:03.860 Not iffy, not well, if you look at it.
00:06:06.320 No, it's just plain wrong.
00:06:08.720 But this is the type of fear-mongering,
00:06:10.880 especially in the Toronto Star,
00:06:12.460 especially in the city of Toronto,
00:06:13.980 that is driving the narrative in many ways
00:06:16.920 because people in Toronto are going to look and say,
00:06:18.840 oh my goodness,
00:06:19.880 this isn't grandpa's hunting rifle they're talking about.
00:06:22.440 This is a machine gun.
00:06:24.600 Tom, come read this article.
00:06:25.800 Apparently machine guns were in Canada.
00:06:27.780 I didn't know.
00:06:28.340 Like, this is terrifying people.
00:06:30.960 This is the sort of thing
00:06:32.100 that is just completely flying in the face
00:06:34.640 of the facts, of the truth.
00:06:36.940 But this is the messaging
00:06:38.420 that is really selling the liberal plan.
00:06:41.420 This is the messaging that is serving as the basis
00:06:43.860 for the liberals being able to get away with this.
00:06:47.300 You know, people have actually looked into this list a bit more.
00:06:50.980 And in many cases, the whole point of it,
00:06:53.080 and I said this on Monday,
00:06:54.040 is that these guns are not even independent, fully-fledged guns.
00:06:57.660 They're just every variation and permutation of numbers imaginable.
00:07:01.420 And I've seen a whole bunch of people that have said,
00:07:03.500 oh, do you know this was there?
00:07:04.720 This was there.
00:07:05.300 This was there.
00:07:05.880 It sounds like an airsoft guns on the list.
00:07:08.320 One person had said to me
00:07:09.860 that there was a bolt-action hunting rifle that was on the list.
00:07:13.380 I wasn't able to find it myself,
00:07:14.760 but they've also written them out very differently,
00:07:17.240 so I don't know necessarily.
00:07:19.240 But the whole point of this is
00:07:20.600 that I think they just tried to shove everything they could on this list
00:07:23.520 to say to Canadians, we're banning 1,500 things.
00:07:26.520 And then at the end of it,
00:07:28.420 they say, okay, well, you know, we're running out of things.
00:07:31.200 Let's just pop those grenade launchers on there.
00:07:33.080 No one will look it up.
00:07:33.860 No one will read through 1,500.
00:07:35.560 And then a couple of people with time on their hands did.
00:07:38.640 And I'm glad they did,
00:07:39.860 because it shows the absurdity of all of this.
00:07:42.200 So I actually had an experience in the last two days
00:07:45.340 that revealed to me how the government actually has no plan here.
00:07:49.340 I mentioned on the last show that I'm moving,
00:07:52.300 and I had had to reach out to the RCMP, actually,
00:07:55.040 and say, listen, are people who are moving
00:07:56.820 allowed to transport their firearms?
00:07:58.760 And the RCMP media relations person said yes,
00:08:01.680 so that would be fine.
00:08:02.700 I said, okay.
00:08:04.320 So because we're doing it in a little while,
00:08:06.080 I just wanted to get out of the way.
00:08:07.560 So I emailed the CFO,
00:08:09.000 the chief firearms office in my province,
00:08:10.940 and I said, I'm moving.
00:08:12.220 Here's my firearms license number.
00:08:14.500 Here's where I'm moving.
00:08:15.380 I'd like to get a temporary authorization to transport,
00:08:18.680 which basically is a piece of paper that says,
00:08:20.600 yes, you are permitted to move them
00:08:21.860 from this point A to that point B.
00:08:24.400 And when it came back,
00:08:27.060 it lists on it.
00:08:28.520 I'm not going to show you
00:08:29.200 because I don't want the details to be public,
00:08:30.660 but it lists the firearms that are included
00:08:33.140 in the authorization.
00:08:34.820 And one of them was missing.
00:08:37.100 And the one that was missing was,
00:08:38.600 you guessed it, the AR-15.
00:08:40.160 If you didn't guess it, it was the AR-15.
00:08:42.160 And I'd immediately responded back.
00:08:43.920 I said, hi, you know, thank you very much.
00:08:45.300 I said, this one's missing here.
00:08:46.820 I'm assuming that this is because of the prohibition.
00:08:49.740 However, please advise, yada, yada, yada,
00:08:51.880 you know, here unto, you know, yours sincerely.
00:08:55.020 I'm very formal when I talk to government people.
00:08:57.780 And then she had actually called me.
00:09:01.360 And I should have recorded the call
00:09:02.520 because this is like the one piece
00:09:03.820 of exculpatory evidence I need if I end up arrested.
00:09:06.360 But she had said, listen,
00:09:07.600 at this point, there is no plan from the government.
00:09:10.540 I'm paraphrasing, but she said,
00:09:12.020 the problem is that it won't let us give you an ATT
00:09:15.560 because it's been prohibited.
00:09:17.340 However, there's no mechanism to do anything else with it.
00:09:20.220 So the advice was just move it.
00:09:22.700 I mean, it seems to be covered by the amnesty.
00:09:24.860 So just move it.
00:09:25.900 But the chief firearms officers
00:09:27.520 didn't know what was supposed to happen here.
00:09:31.520 Didn't know what was supposed to happen here.
00:09:33.240 So the problem with this
00:09:34.840 is that it was completely thrust out the door.
00:09:37.060 And if the government were, as Justin Trudeau said,
00:09:41.200 preparing to do this anyway prior to the pandemic,
00:09:44.160 it's a shame they have nothing to show for it.
00:09:47.040 This suggests that they did thrust it out the door
00:09:49.560 because the actual information isn't there.
00:09:52.560 The answers to the questions aren't there.
00:09:54.700 All they have is a list of guns,
00:09:56.840 some of which are airsoft guns,
00:09:58.260 some of which are grenade launchers.
00:09:59.840 And some of which, by the way,
00:10:01.480 according to the Canadian Shooting Sports Association,
00:10:03.960 are shotguns that are used for hunting.
00:10:07.460 Now, I didn't pick up on this when the list first came out,
00:10:10.340 but at the very bottom,
00:10:12.220 it talks about the idea of having a removable choke.
00:10:16.320 So the choke is something that's in the muzzle of a shotgun
00:10:19.380 and the choke determines the spray.
00:10:21.860 So shotguns are not shooting bullets.
00:10:23.460 They're shooting a shot.
00:10:24.860 They're shooting, you know, pellets,
00:10:25.920 little ball bearing type things.
00:10:27.600 And the choke is what decides
00:10:29.580 whether it goes like this or like this.
00:10:31.220 And the whole point of that choke
00:10:34.540 is that it can change the pattern
00:10:37.280 and by extension, the power of the gun.
00:10:39.580 Well, some shotguns that are used for hunting,
00:10:41.560 10-gauge, 12-gauge shotguns,
00:10:43.260 have a removable choke.
00:10:45.720 It's just the nature of the firearm.
00:10:48.040 Those are banned.
00:10:49.700 Now, Bill Blair has accused the CSSA
00:10:52.020 of peddling misinformation,
00:10:53.900 but they actually got a legal opinion
00:10:55.720 that at a glance looks like
00:10:57.960 it has a heck of a lot more knowledge
00:11:00.100 and time and effort that went into it
00:11:01.780 than anything the government has done putting it.
00:11:03.680 So I don't think that if you get arrested
00:11:06.100 for having a gun that's now prohibited
00:11:07.820 that Bill Blair's Facebook post
00:11:09.860 telling you it's not actually illegal
00:11:11.540 is going to do all that much to save you.
00:11:14.860 So that's going to be a big problem here.
00:11:16.940 And they've also banned guns
00:11:18.600 that are not semi-automatic,
00:11:20.280 that are used for hunting,
00:11:22.160 some for long-range shooting,
00:11:23.700 others for taking down big game,
00:11:25.420 like .50 caliber rifles is a great example.
00:11:27.580 There are people that just have these large ranches
00:11:30.120 out in Alberta, Saskatchewan
00:11:31.520 where they do long-range target shooting.
00:11:33.460 That's done.
00:11:34.260 That's gone.
00:11:35.360 Now, technically, you can't use them.
00:11:37.260 So people that have invested
00:11:38.420 thousands and thousands of dollars
00:11:40.180 into these things
00:11:41.080 are now sitting on something that is worthless.
00:11:44.160 The government doesn't have a buyback plan.
00:11:46.120 They don't even have a surrendering plan.
00:11:48.480 They don't have any idea
00:11:49.920 how many of these guns there are,
00:11:51.300 where they are.
00:11:51.960 It sounds as though Justin Trudeau
00:11:54.900 at least has not closed the door
00:11:57.660 on grandfathering.
00:11:59.160 So this is something that came up,
00:12:00.680 I think it was on Monday afternoon
00:12:03.000 or Tuesday, whenever it was,
00:12:04.760 where Trudeau was asked about grandfathering
00:12:06.820 and he didn't say no.
00:12:08.620 But the whole point is
00:12:09.700 they need to come up with legislation.
00:12:12.020 And the reason that I said a few times,
00:12:14.740 and I was talking to Rod Giltaka
00:12:16.200 about this from the CCFR,
00:12:17.780 that I don't want people to put too much stock
00:12:20.440 in the order and council part of this
00:12:22.940 is because I don't want people to think
00:12:26.700 that if this were to go through parliament,
00:12:28.620 that there would be a different result.
00:12:30.040 There wouldn't be.
00:12:31.100 The Bloc Québécois is very anti-gun.
00:12:34.060 The NDP is very anti-gun.
00:12:36.720 The only thing that the NDP would care about conceivably
00:12:40.060 is Northern and Aboriginal communities.
00:12:43.040 But given they've been given an exemption on this,
00:12:45.140 it doesn't really matter.
00:12:46.060 So the Liberals are very right
00:12:47.940 when they say that the NDP and the Bloc are behind it,
00:12:50.280 which means the Conservative opposition
00:12:52.200 can make some noise.
00:12:53.540 They can raise some questions in committee,
00:12:55.840 but they cannot stop legislation from going through.
00:12:58.940 So yes, it's undemocratic,
00:13:01.100 but you shouldn't make the undemocratic part of this
00:13:04.480 the be-all and end-all
00:13:05.940 because they have the votes to get something passed
00:13:08.480 that is more comprehensive
00:13:09.980 when it's going through the legislature,
00:13:12.520 whenever that point is.
00:13:14.380 And you know, as far as the Quebec thing goes,
00:13:16.060 like I'm actually regretting now,
00:13:17.640 and I'm thinking that a lot of gun owners are regretting
00:13:19.900 not just stamping French lettering
00:13:21.860 on the sides of their guns,
00:13:22.960 whatever the guns were,
00:13:24.000 because that would probably be the only way
00:13:25.740 you could convince the Bloc Québécois
00:13:27.220 to be okay with the AR-15,
00:13:29.100 if it was actually like the AR-Cans or something.
00:13:31.820 Pardon the French accent.
00:13:32.800 I'm in gun mode right now, not French mode.
00:13:34.620 But the AR-Cans is actually good.
00:13:37.280 The AR-15 is not good.
00:13:38.620 So that would be the pitch I'd make
00:13:40.880 to the Bloc Québécois now,
00:13:41.980 just because gun owners are in desperate need
00:13:44.880 of a Hail Mary.
00:13:47.000 And again, the Liberals are also looking
00:13:49.060 to have handguns in municipalities banned,
00:13:52.620 despite the fact that municipalities
00:13:54.680 fall under provincial jurisdiction.
00:13:57.320 The federal government has no right
00:13:59.840 to legislate municipal affairs.
00:14:02.520 So I don't know how it's going to do this legally.
00:14:05.300 I have no idea if it will be legal.
00:14:07.720 I hope there is a challenge.
00:14:09.060 I'm in a city that I don't expect
00:14:11.800 will push back against this
00:14:13.800 if there's a big movement here.
00:14:15.800 I would love it for there to be.
00:14:17.340 I just am not optimistic.
00:14:20.060 But the whole point,
00:14:21.200 I mean, if you're in Toronto, you're screwed.
00:14:22.800 Like John Tory has been the one
00:14:24.220 calling for the handgun ban.
00:14:25.440 So if you live in Toronto,
00:14:26.460 if you live in Montreal,
00:14:27.340 if you live in Vancouver and you own a handgun,
00:14:29.360 you might as well just find a way
00:14:30.560 to turn it into a potted plant holder or something,
00:14:33.420 because that's about all it's going to be good for
00:14:35.580 by the time Trudeau and his team
00:14:37.480 is done with this.
00:14:39.520 So where there is some ambiguity, though,
00:14:42.300 is in the handgun ban.
00:14:43.760 Are they going to ban ownership or banning sales?
00:14:46.820 Because if they ban sales,
00:14:48.000 what they're doing is basically outlawing businesses
00:14:50.180 that are already in a bit of a pinch here,
00:14:52.400 businesses that sell these things.
00:14:54.000 If they ban ownership,
00:14:55.260 then it's again proving to completely miss the mark,
00:14:58.700 to go after people who are not causing the problems,
00:15:02.420 who are not the ones that are the source of gun violence,
00:15:05.560 because that's coming from gangs,
00:15:06.880 not from registered licensed gun owners
00:15:09.140 and people who own handguns.
00:15:10.940 And all of this is to say that the liberals
00:15:13.540 have actually no plan whatsoever.
00:15:17.040 No plan whatsoever.
00:15:18.520 And we are supposed to just accept
00:15:20.340 that this is all in people's interest
00:15:22.380 as a safety matter.
00:15:23.940 It just isn't.
00:15:25.620 And when you get people like Heather Malick
00:15:27.460 talking about machine guns flooding the streets,
00:15:30.300 you know, part of me wants to laugh about it,
00:15:32.120 but at the same time,
00:15:32.960 I know people are buying into this.
00:15:34.440 So you have to push back against this misinformation
00:15:36.900 wherever it is that it's coming from.
00:15:39.460 When we come back in a moment,
00:15:40.840 more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
00:15:43.020 You're tuned in to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:15:49.340 Welcome back to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:15:51.240 Hope you are so far surviving the plague
00:15:54.220 that is the coronavirus pandemic.
00:15:56.640 And if you thought that we were just getting
00:15:58.460 out of the woods here,
00:15:59.440 well, the world has something else in store for you.
00:16:02.340 Murder hornets.
00:16:03.900 Yes, murder hornets.
00:16:05.080 I actually saw them open for Led Zeppelin,
00:16:06.880 I believe, a few years back.
00:16:08.520 Murder hornets may spread east from British Columbia
00:16:11.040 if not eradicated, an entomologist says.
00:16:13.700 This is from a CTV story.
00:16:15.980 I didn't realize this,
00:16:17.000 that Canada was gifted a batch of murder hornets
00:16:20.860 in August of 2019,
00:16:23.000 although only now are people talking about them.
00:16:25.340 And the reason why is because
00:16:27.100 they have made landfall in the United States
00:16:29.480 by arriving in Washington state.
00:16:32.360 And now officials are issuing warnings
00:16:34.860 that the Vespa mandarinia species,
00:16:38.360 which the Vespa mandarinia,
00:16:40.540 not a type of motorized scooter,
00:16:42.760 it's not a moped.
00:16:43.580 The Vespa mandarinia is a murder hornet.
00:16:46.760 They are actually,
00:16:48.340 in technical scientific terms,
00:16:50.820 assholes.
00:16:51.800 That is the technical scientific term.
00:16:54.040 Hornets that will kill you
00:16:55.900 if they sting you.
00:16:57.540 They can kill humans with multiple bites.
00:17:00.580 And as Dan Riskin,
00:17:02.520 who's a science and tech expert for CTV,
00:17:04.820 says,
00:17:05.040 sometimes an animal that looks scary is harmless,
00:17:07.120 or an animal that looks harmless can be scary.
00:17:09.560 This is one of those cases
00:17:10.680 where it looks really scary
00:17:12.460 and it is really scary.
00:17:14.180 And if we can put up an image
00:17:15.080 of the beautiful Vespa mandarinia up there,
00:17:18.680 yeah, you'll see that that's not something
00:17:19.820 you want flying towards you.
00:17:21.420 And these are extremely aggressive,
00:17:23.640 not usually interested in humans or animals,
00:17:26.180 thankfully,
00:17:26.840 but if they are there
00:17:28.160 and you are the source of their interest for a moment,
00:17:30.820 you will die,
00:17:31.760 which is comforting.
00:17:32.600 So it's not even like,
00:17:33.860 oh, that'll hurt for a while.
00:17:35.040 It's no, it'll hurt
00:17:35.560 and then you'll drop dead.
00:17:36.840 So here's the thing though.
00:17:39.440 Sometimes in news stories,
00:17:40.780 they tend to bury the lead.
00:17:42.900 So this thing,
00:17:43.500 you look down and it's,
00:17:44.940 no one knows how they came to North America,
00:17:47.060 but they came from Asia.
00:17:49.480 Mr. Curry,
00:17:50.680 who is a,
00:17:51.800 or should I say Dr. Curry?
00:17:53.420 Yeah, I think I have to say Dr. Curry.
00:17:56.140 Robert Curry,
00:17:56.980 who's the University of Manitoba entomologist.
00:17:59.460 Dr. Curry says,
00:18:00.500 they were likely brought here on cargo by accident
00:18:03.680 or on purpose as a delicacy.
00:18:07.640 This is what he said.
00:18:08.660 They probably came over here from Asia
00:18:10.180 and soil that was shipped,
00:18:11.240 maybe a plant that was shipped
00:18:12.420 and potted soil or something like that.
00:18:14.480 The queen's winter or overwinter in the soil.
00:18:16.940 So it's possible that a queen
00:18:18.500 could be introduced through that method.
00:18:20.140 The other theory that has been proposed,
00:18:22.460 although he notes there's no concrete evidence,
00:18:24.460 is that they could have been brought over
00:18:25.960 for human consumption as a sort of delicacy.
00:18:28.720 But at this point,
00:18:29.860 we don't really know how they got in.
00:18:31.680 Did we not learn our lesson
00:18:33.320 about these so-called delicacies
00:18:35.240 from the bat soup and pangolin thing
00:18:37.300 in the wet markets in China?
00:18:38.740 Maybe we don't eat poisonous hornets.
00:18:41.160 Maybe we don't.
00:18:42.140 If someone brought it over for that,
00:18:43.940 they deserve whatever is going to happen to them.
00:18:46.240 I don't know if the hornet
00:18:47.720 that has venomous poison
00:18:49.300 that will kill you is delicious.
00:18:50.880 I don't know who would think it was.
00:18:52.480 I don't know who wants to catch these hornets
00:18:54.380 to find out.
00:18:55.380 It's not me.
00:18:56.160 But please keep your murder hornets overseas.
00:18:59.740 We don't need them in Canada.
00:19:01.260 This is the whole point,
00:19:02.140 is that I've been stung by bees and wasps
00:19:05.020 and hornets in my life
00:19:06.100 more times than I can count.
00:19:07.560 I don't know how.
00:19:08.620 I was a very unlucky child.
00:19:10.780 So my general approach to this
00:19:12.520 is that if there is something that can sting me,
00:19:14.580 it will sting me.
00:19:15.860 So I don't want it to be like
00:19:17.600 where we finally get out of the lockdown,
00:19:19.260 post-coronavirus,
00:19:20.220 we step outside,
00:19:21.080 and then it's like you either have to run back inside
00:19:22.880 or just drop dead.
00:19:24.480 It'll be like Zombieland 3.
00:19:26.020 The sequel did so well.
00:19:27.180 Now it's time to turn it into a trilogy.
00:19:29.660 So that was a fun little feel-good story for you all.
00:19:33.400 Wanted to talk about this as well,
00:19:35.480 which is kind of amusing here.
00:19:37.100 Tom Cruise,
00:19:38.560 who I did not think was ever going to get his due
00:19:41.260 on the Andrew Lawton show,
00:19:43.120 is apparently filming a new movie in space.
00:19:47.260 Jim Bridenstine,
00:19:48.340 or Bridenstine,
00:19:49.200 who is the administrator of NASA,
00:19:50.980 tweeted out,
00:19:52.900 NASA is excited to work with Tom Cruise
00:19:54.980 on a film aboard the space station.
00:19:57.500 We need popular media to inspire
00:19:59.280 a new generation of engineers and scientists
00:20:01.700 to make NASA's ambitious plans a reality.
00:20:05.240 So NASA teaming up with Tom Cruise,
00:20:07.000 he gets a ticket to the space station.
00:20:09.260 If we're all lucky,
00:20:10.140 it'll be one way.
00:20:11.380 You know,
00:20:11.700 I think this is kind of neat.
00:20:13.440 If NASA can offset a bit of its budget
00:20:15.360 by working with Hollywood producers,
00:20:17.040 that's fine.
00:20:18.300 Elon Musk replied to the tweet
00:20:19.940 and said it should be a lot of fun.
00:20:21.560 So there are reports that SpaceX,
00:20:23.660 which is Elon Musk company,
00:20:25.000 might be involved.
00:20:26.740 But I look at this in a different lens here.
00:20:29.780 Is Scientologist the type of role
00:20:33.420 that we want on the International Space Station?
00:20:35.880 I don't know much about Scientology,
00:20:37.660 but I feel like space domination
00:20:39.420 might be high enough up on their list
00:20:41.080 that perhaps when Tom Cruise comes and says,
00:20:43.180 hey, bring me into a space shuttle
00:20:45.420 and take me up to the International Space Station.
00:20:47.640 I'm thinking, you know,
00:20:48.260 it might not be the best idea.
00:20:50.820 Katie Holmes was thrilled about it
00:20:52.060 because, you know,
00:20:52.620 send him up and, you know,
00:20:54.180 he never has to come back down to Earth again.
00:20:56.200 But I don't think that we want to be giving
00:20:59.220 a Scientologist the keys
00:21:00.640 to the International Space Station.
00:21:02.200 That's all.
00:21:02.860 Just a thought there.
00:21:04.220 And in related Hollywood news,
00:21:06.200 Tiger King,
00:21:07.260 which we talked about a few weeks ago on the show,
00:21:09.120 is getting a fictional adaptation
00:21:11.240 with Nicolas Cage set to play Joe Exotic.
00:21:15.780 Now, I'm a big Nicolas Cage fan.
00:21:17.640 I know a lot of people hate him.
00:21:18.720 I don't.
00:21:19.180 I think he's great.
00:21:20.260 And I could kind of see it,
00:21:21.800 like I saw the side-by-side
00:21:23.200 at the bottom of one article
00:21:24.340 and I could, you know,
00:21:25.900 I could see it happening there.
00:21:27.320 But then I realized
00:21:28.840 that as much as there is a yearning
00:21:30.480 for more Tiger King,
00:21:31.580 if you've seen the show,
00:21:32.540 because it is truly like nothing else,
00:21:34.940 that is why I think it is destined
00:21:36.800 to fail as a fictional enterprise.
00:21:39.380 The whole point of fictional adaptations of things
00:21:42.140 or semi-fictional adaptations of things
00:21:44.020 is that movies and TV shows
00:21:46.480 are a lot more interesting than real life.
00:21:48.520 Real life is filled with just boredom
00:21:50.380 interspersed with the occasional events.
00:21:52.700 The Tiger King saga
00:21:54.020 and the Tiger King characters
00:21:55.580 and the story arcs
00:21:56.620 are probably the only situation
00:21:59.040 where nothing can possibly be
00:22:01.760 as insane and unhinged as the real thing.
00:22:04.240 Like, you cannot get someone
00:22:05.880 to be a crazier Joe Exotic
00:22:08.080 than Joe Exotic was.
00:22:10.000 You can't get someone
00:22:10.620 to be a crazier Carole Baskin
00:22:12.100 than Carole Baskin.
00:22:13.380 Although there is another show
00:22:14.880 where Kate McKinnon from SNL
00:22:17.000 is apparently going to be playing Carole Baskin.
00:22:18.760 So that one, again,
00:22:19.400 I think she's funny.
00:22:20.280 She'll be great.
00:22:21.460 You know,
00:22:21.680 hey, all you cool cats and kittens.
00:22:23.380 You know, it just,
00:22:24.120 it makes me cringe
00:22:24.860 and I don't think that anyone else
00:22:26.080 can do that
00:22:26.640 as much as the original
00:22:28.240 could Carole Baskin herself.
00:22:31.420 Let's talk a little bit about
00:22:32.560 the culture that has permeated
00:22:35.040 in the coronavirus world
00:22:36.780 where people are being told,
00:22:38.740 you can't do this,
00:22:39.360 you can't do this,
00:22:40.000 you can't do this.
00:22:41.020 And there's a paranoia.
00:22:42.280 Everyone's on edge.
00:22:43.580 And here's a report though
00:22:44.900 from Rasmussen.
00:22:46.380 Rasmussen's poll,
00:22:47.500 liberals are significantly more likely
00:22:49.740 to snitch than conservatives.
00:22:51.900 Now this was written about
00:22:53.020 by the American Spectator.
00:22:54.960 And it's perhaps an unsurprising story,
00:22:57.700 but still a pretty interesting one as well.
00:23:00.400 Because what they found in this poll
00:23:02.700 is that the people more likely
00:23:04.960 to be busybodies,
00:23:06.240 and they use 1,200 registered voters here,
00:23:09.320 the most likely,
00:23:10.660 as the article calls it,
00:23:11.920 conscripts in the COVID militia
00:23:14.120 are self-identified liberals
00:23:15.940 who claim membership
00:23:16.820 in the Democratic Party.
00:23:18.340 In the poll,
00:23:19.440 when respondents were asked
00:23:20.680 whether they would report neighbors
00:23:22.000 for holding a social gathering
00:23:23.360 in their home
00:23:23.940 of between 15 to 20 individuals,
00:23:27.060 44% of Democrats
00:23:28.640 would turn in their neighbors,
00:23:30.080 but only 25% of Republicans
00:23:32.160 would do so.
00:23:33.440 The results are even more striking
00:23:34.920 when they analyze by ideology.
00:23:37.080 46% of those identifying
00:23:38.820 as very liberal
00:23:39.680 would turn in their neighbors.
00:23:41.120 24% of those describing themselves
00:23:43.340 as very conservative
00:23:44.640 would be willing to inform
00:23:46.380 on their neighbors.
00:23:47.300 And moderates were in between,
00:23:48.720 40% of political moderates.
00:23:51.700 So here's what I find interesting
00:23:53.580 about this.
00:23:54.400 There is a culture
00:23:55.960 that is, I thought,
00:23:58.440 not on party lines.
00:23:59.700 I know that liberals
00:24:00.680 are by and large,
00:24:02.120 and I mean,
00:24:02.600 not traditional classical liberals,
00:24:04.420 but modern political liberals,
00:24:06.100 are more likely to,
00:24:08.180 I thought,
00:24:08.720 support some of the big government measures.
00:24:10.440 But I kind of thought
00:24:11.480 that the snitch culture
00:24:12.600 would not be along ideological lines.
00:24:15.220 And it may not be
00:24:16.240 in a Canadian context.
00:24:17.220 This is one poll,
00:24:18.280 and it's one poll from the US.
00:24:19.820 But I did find it interesting
00:24:21.280 because I am one of these
00:24:23.060 just do what you want type of people.
00:24:24.860 And I realize that with a pandemic,
00:24:26.440 you have situations
00:24:27.920 that are emerging
00:24:28.680 where it's not just about
00:24:30.300 someone endangering themselves,
00:24:31.720 it's about someone
00:24:32.480 endangering others.
00:24:34.340 And the kind of person
00:24:35.640 that's going to a 15-strong house party
00:24:39.080 is the kind of person
00:24:40.300 that's probably not going to be
00:24:41.940 implementing great
00:24:43.120 hand-washing protocols
00:24:44.520 and sanitizing
00:24:45.580 and all this other stuff
00:24:46.360 when they go out into the world.
00:24:47.720 So I do think
00:24:48.640 there's a case to be made
00:24:49.800 that, yes,
00:24:50.580 there is a risk there.
00:24:51.820 But I also don't think
00:24:53.220 it's the responsibility
00:24:54.240 in a free society
00:24:56.040 to deputize individual people
00:24:58.540 to basically become
00:24:59.720 state informants,
00:25:01.040 which is what a lot of this has done.
00:25:03.320 Look, I went out for a walk
00:25:04.520 with my wife on the weekend
00:25:06.580 and we went to this park nearby
00:25:08.280 and there were lots of people,
00:25:09.360 but everyone was just
00:25:10.080 doing their own thing
00:25:11.140 and staying out of each other's way.
00:25:13.300 And the park was open.
00:25:14.620 I didn't think
00:25:15.220 we were breaking the law.
00:25:16.400 There was a part of me
00:25:17.040 that was like on the drive there.
00:25:18.140 I said, you know,
00:25:18.940 if I am going to get a ticket,
00:25:20.200 I'll at least have
00:25:21.180 a good story out of it.
00:25:22.220 That's kind of the approach
00:25:23.100 that I have to the world
00:25:24.080 sometimes,
00:25:24.860 which is that
00:25:25.300 there's good experiences
00:25:26.600 and there's material
00:25:27.720 and that's it.
00:25:28.600 There are no bad experiences.
00:25:29.880 But alas,
00:25:30.820 I had a good experience.
00:25:31.980 No material out of that one.
00:25:33.580 We've got to take a break.
00:25:34.960 When we come back,
00:25:35.520 we'll talk to Garnet Jenis
00:25:37.200 about his column
00:25:38.280 in the Epoch Times,
00:25:39.360 the maligned newspaper
00:25:41.080 that the CBC wants
00:25:42.620 to pretend is racist.
00:25:44.500 But we're going to be
00:25:45.460 talking about why
00:25:46.380 there is an argument
00:25:47.460 that the federal government
00:25:48.360 is missing
00:25:48.940 and one again
00:25:50.160 that comes down
00:25:50.820 to passing off
00:25:51.700 a definition
00:25:52.200 of something
00:25:52.800 that just isn't accurate.
00:25:54.300 That's up next
00:25:55.040 here on The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:25:56.520 Stay tuned.
00:25:58.320 You're tuned in
00:25:59.500 to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:26:02.160 Welcome back
00:26:02.980 to The Andrew Lawton Show
00:26:04.360 here on True North.
00:26:05.940 As we talk about
00:26:06.740 what life is going
00:26:07.500 to look like
00:26:08.140 after the pandemic,
00:26:09.460 we also have to look
00:26:10.400 at what some
00:26:11.420 of the things
00:26:11.920 on the political agenda
00:26:13.100 were for Canada
00:26:14.140 prior to the lockdown
00:26:15.580 and which of these
00:26:16.380 may come back.
00:26:17.820 And one that I saw
00:26:18.700 a lot of headlines about
00:26:19.900 and a lot of outrage about
00:26:21.060 and frankly
00:26:21.660 I hadn't looked
00:26:22.880 into it too deeply
00:26:24.000 because there were
00:26:24.680 other things going on
00:26:25.600 that I was focused on
00:26:26.600 is a ban
00:26:27.740 from the federal liberals
00:26:29.040 on conversion therapy.
00:26:30.680 And we know
00:26:31.000 that conversion therapy
00:26:31.840 has a very dark history.
00:26:33.180 People that are forcing
00:26:35.000 or have historically
00:26:36.260 forced those
00:26:37.420 who are gay
00:26:38.020 or have a sexual orientation
00:26:39.440 other than being straight
00:26:40.540 into compliance
00:26:42.220 with being straight
00:26:43.660 if that's not
00:26:44.180 who they are.
00:26:44.920 And it's very terrible
00:26:46.700 that this has happened
00:26:47.580 but that isn't
00:26:48.640 what's being banned
00:26:49.760 in this legislation.
00:26:51.160 And if you look
00:26:51.580 at the fine print
00:26:52.360 you see as the old saying goes
00:26:54.160 that the devil
00:26:54.640 is in the details.
00:26:55.540 So I want to talk about this
00:26:56.480 with MP Garnett Janis
00:26:58.340 who has written
00:26:59.140 a great piece
00:26:59.900 in the Epoch Times
00:27:00.780 about it.
00:27:01.620 Conversion therapy bill
00:27:02.820 could have far-reaching
00:27:04.080 and unexpected consequences.
00:27:06.060 The Sherwood Park
00:27:06.780 Fort Saskatchewan MP
00:27:07.880 joins me on the line now.
00:27:09.900 Garnett, good to talk to you.
00:27:10.740 Thanks very much
00:27:11.240 for your time.
00:27:11.920 Great to be here, Andrew
00:27:12.700 and thank you
00:27:13.060 for the opportunity.
00:27:13.880 Hope you're doing okay
00:27:14.860 under the quarantine
00:27:15.560 conditions here.
00:27:16.640 Yes, likewise.
00:27:18.440 The bill that is really
00:27:20.020 at stake here
00:27:21.080 I find to be
00:27:22.100 very interesting
00:27:23.180 and I mentioned
00:27:23.600 to my listeners earlier
00:27:24.580 I hadn't really looked
00:27:25.680 too much in depth at it
00:27:27.300 because I think
00:27:28.140 like most Canadians
00:27:29.100 when they hear
00:27:29.560 conversion therapy
00:27:30.340 they have a vision
00:27:31.100 in their mind
00:27:31.620 of what that is
00:27:32.340 and they're against it.
00:27:33.840 And you've raised
00:27:34.720 a number of scenarios
00:27:35.840 that I'll get to here
00:27:36.940 but this isn't actually
00:27:38.460 about conversion therapy
00:27:40.180 at least in so far
00:27:41.120 as how people define
00:27:42.340 that term in their minds.
00:27:44.160 Yeah, let's just hit
00:27:45.520 this very clearly
00:27:46.380 off the top
00:27:47.040 so there's no ambiguity
00:27:48.160 and all of your viewers
00:27:51.640 I'm sure would agree
00:27:52.300 with this.
00:27:53.280 Conversion therapy
00:27:54.260 is bad
00:27:55.920 and we're against it
00:27:57.400 and it's legitimate
00:27:58.500 for the state
00:27:59.240 to take action on it
00:28:01.140 as long as we
00:28:02.620 are understanding
00:28:04.100 what we mean
00:28:04.780 by conversion therapy
00:28:05.680 when we say that.
00:28:06.380 There's this history
00:28:07.120 around using
00:28:08.680 abuse, violence,
00:28:10.940 degrading treatment
00:28:11.900 and to try
00:28:12.940 and compel people
00:28:14.060 to change
00:28:14.900 their sexual orientation.
00:28:17.600 Not only is that
00:28:18.680 ineffective,
00:28:20.060 not only did it
00:28:20.840 not work
00:28:21.520 but it's contrary
00:28:22.920 to human dignity
00:28:24.360 to grading,
00:28:27.160 treatment,
00:28:27.620 violence,
00:28:28.260 bullying
00:28:28.540 in any
00:28:30.100 kinds of
00:28:31.100 context.
00:28:34.240 What I'm
00:28:36.040 concerned about
00:28:36.900 is that this legislation
00:28:37.980 actually uses
00:28:39.900 a definition
00:28:40.680 for conversion therapy
00:28:42.100 which is
00:28:43.680 so broad
00:28:44.680 as to be
00:28:45.320 at certain points
00:28:46.340 incorrect
00:28:46.840 and would
00:28:48.240 call conversion therapy
00:28:50.120 things
00:28:50.660 that I think
00:28:51.820 everybody would accept
00:28:52.600 are not conversion therapy.
00:28:54.140 The definition
00:28:54.680 is expansive
00:28:55.480 such that it includes
00:28:57.200 efforts
00:28:58.920 to
00:28:59.640 reduce
00:29:02.060 a person's
00:29:02.980 sexual attraction
00:29:04.200 or behavior.
00:29:05.220 behavior.
00:29:06.240 So
00:29:06.540 if
00:29:07.400 a parent,
00:29:09.400 if a mentor
00:29:10.020 were to say
00:29:10.800 to a 16-year-old
00:29:12.500 or a 14-year-old
00:29:14.720 maybe you should
00:29:15.580 wait until you're
00:29:16.760 a bit older
00:29:17.300 before you become
00:29:18.200 sexually active
00:29:19.080 or maybe you should
00:29:21.080 dial back
00:29:23.000 a particular
00:29:23.880 relationship,
00:29:24.820 maybe you should
00:29:25.620 not be behaving
00:29:29.540 in certain contexts
00:29:31.400 at a certain age
00:29:32.480 in a way
00:29:33.100 that
00:29:34.120 as an effort
00:29:36.700 to reduce
00:29:37.540 sexual attraction
00:29:38.540 or behavior
00:29:39.280 could be read
00:29:40.440 into this law
00:29:41.200 as being
00:29:42.120 conversion therapy.
00:29:43.520 The interesting thing
00:29:44.260 is that
00:29:44.740 the communications
00:29:46.520 around the release
00:29:47.600 of the bill,
00:29:48.500 the government
00:29:49.080 said it doesn't
00:29:49.880 include private
00:29:50.560 conversations,
00:29:51.580 it doesn't include
00:29:52.240 all these things
00:29:52.700 they said it doesn't
00:29:53.320 include
00:29:53.700 in the legislation.
00:29:56.140 The text
00:29:57.140 of the bill
00:29:57.520 itself,
00:29:58.380 not the accompanying
00:29:59.040 communication
00:29:59.580 but the text
00:30:00.080 of the bill
00:30:00.380 itself
00:30:00.620 which is what
00:30:01.420 would become
00:30:02.220 law doesn't
00:30:03.640 contain those
00:30:04.460 exceptions.
00:30:05.680 So we're all
00:30:07.500 against conversion
00:30:08.180 therapy but
00:30:08.880 there's I think
00:30:09.400 a need to
00:30:10.560 understand and
00:30:11.820 amend and fix
00:30:13.420 the definition
00:30:14.100 here.
00:30:14.900 If the definition
00:30:15.480 isn't fixed,
00:30:16.820 it leaves the door
00:30:17.600 wide open
00:30:18.300 for parenting
00:30:20.440 conversations,
00:30:21.740 for casual
00:30:22.860 discussions as well
00:30:24.060 as legitimate
00:30:25.060 things that parents
00:30:25.860 might say to their
00:30:26.460 children to be
00:30:27.640 perversely read
00:30:28.920 into the definition.
00:30:31.020 Yeah,
00:30:31.460 there's actually
00:30:32.000 a petition
00:30:32.640 that you link
00:30:33.280 to in the article
00:30:34.300 which has,
00:30:35.020 as you just
00:30:35.380 note,
00:30:35.760 fixthedefinition.ca
00:30:37.260 and we'll put
00:30:37.720 that up on the
00:30:38.600 screen there
00:30:39.040 for people to
00:30:39.600 see it.
00:30:40.280 Fix the definition,
00:30:41.200 so is it just
00:30:41.940 a matter in your
00:30:42.760 mind of wanting
00:30:43.620 this bill
00:30:44.100 clarified and
00:30:44.940 that definition
00:30:45.480 fixed or is it
00:30:46.300 that you think
00:30:46.660 the bill itself
00:30:47.400 should be scrapped?
00:30:49.900 Well,
00:30:50.460 I think the
00:30:51.340 definition is
00:30:52.360 the issue.
00:30:52.920 I would be
00:30:55.620 very happy
00:30:56.380 to support
00:30:56.960 legislation
00:30:57.680 which clearly
00:30:58.940 addresses the
00:31:00.160 issue of
00:31:00.940 conversion therapy
00:31:02.300 as everybody
00:31:02.920 or I think
00:31:05.340 as most people
00:31:06.160 kind of understand
00:31:07.080 the term to be
00:31:08.240 and as it
00:31:09.660 comes from
00:31:10.360 terrible practices.
00:31:11.700 It's about the
00:31:12.340 definition.
00:31:12.860 It's about the
00:31:13.200 need to fix
00:31:14.060 the definition.
00:31:15.560 This should be
00:31:16.520 an area on
00:31:17.480 which there is
00:31:18.260 consensus.
00:31:19.220 I think there
00:31:19.600 is consensus.
00:31:20.800 Maybe it's
00:31:21.500 just sloppy
00:31:22.380 legislative
00:31:22.880 drafting and
00:31:23.600 we've seen
00:31:24.340 various cases
00:31:25.120 from this
00:31:25.480 government of
00:31:26.080 sort of trying
00:31:26.620 to rush
00:31:26.920 something out
00:31:27.440 and not doing
00:31:27.940 the legislative
00:31:28.860 drafting,
00:31:29.480 right?
00:31:29.680 Or maybe it's
00:31:30.740 something more
00:31:31.140 insidious.
00:31:31.640 Maybe it's an
00:31:32.480 effort to use
00:31:34.100 an expansive
00:31:35.060 or incorrect
00:31:35.880 definition to
00:31:36.800 create a
00:31:37.240 political wedge
00:31:37.960 when really
00:31:38.660 there's no need
00:31:39.280 for that.
00:31:39.700 I mean,
00:31:39.900 there's agreement
00:31:40.820 on this,
00:31:41.520 but I think
00:31:42.160 there would also
00:31:42.600 be agreement
00:31:43.140 that parents
00:31:45.020 should be able
00:31:45.600 to give
00:31:46.060 instruction to
00:31:46.700 their children
00:31:47.040 about sexual
00:31:47.620 behavior,
00:31:48.300 that mentors,
00:31:51.380 that faith
00:31:52.560 organizations
00:31:53.200 can teach
00:31:54.280 things about
00:31:55.640 sexual behavior
00:31:57.100 in a dignity
00:32:00.580 affirming way
00:32:01.660 and that that
00:32:03.440 shouldn't create
00:32:04.200 sort of questions
00:32:05.140 about legality.
00:32:06.720 Yeah, and I just
00:32:08.180 want to rhyme
00:32:08.720 off very quickly
00:32:10.020 some of the
00:32:10.540 situations you
00:32:11.440 include here,
00:32:12.280 which I think
00:32:13.080 fall outside of
00:32:13.960 the parameters
00:32:14.480 of that
00:32:15.320 stereotypical
00:32:16.660 and historic
00:32:17.440 definition of
00:32:18.180 conversion therapy.
00:32:18.860 You cite a
00:32:20.060 17-year-old who
00:32:21.120 could be struggling
00:32:21.980 with severe
00:32:22.620 addiction to
00:32:23.120 pornography,
00:32:23.520 and he enters
00:32:24.960 a course of
00:32:25.740 psychological
00:32:26.220 counseling to
00:32:27.500 manage that,
00:32:28.180 so in that case
00:32:28.820 it would be
00:32:29.440 consensual
00:32:30.280 seeking of
00:32:31.060 treatment.
00:32:31.840 And another
00:32:32.420 one that we're
00:32:32.960 seeing more
00:32:33.480 commonly,
00:32:34.240 especially with
00:32:34.800 the case out
00:32:35.280 in B.C.,
00:32:36.240 gender affirmation,
00:32:37.660 a grandfather
00:32:38.280 telling a six-year-old
00:32:39.360 girl who thinks
00:32:39.980 she's a boy,
00:32:40.840 no, you're a girl,
00:32:41.840 there are girls
00:32:42.380 and boys.
00:32:43.140 So these are not
00:32:44.040 even cases of
00:32:45.080 therapies that
00:32:46.000 would be a foul
00:32:46.700 of the law.
00:32:47.140 These are private
00:32:48.100 conversations,
00:32:48.820 and you're saying
00:32:49.700 that when the
00:32:50.080 liberals have
00:32:51.120 promised those
00:32:52.420 are not included
00:32:53.020 in the bill,
00:32:53.500 they actually are.
00:32:54.340 Yeah, and I
00:32:57.180 mean, I will say
00:32:57.640 I think the
00:32:58.000 definition is
00:32:58.660 ambiguous, right?
00:32:59.820 And the concern
00:33:01.440 is, you know,
00:33:02.380 I think probably
00:33:03.340 some of these
00:33:03.860 situations would
00:33:04.720 run afoul of the
00:33:05.520 law as it's
00:33:06.120 written, but
00:33:07.360 there's also a
00:33:08.160 chilling effect
00:33:08.900 where if it's
00:33:09.800 ambiguous, you
00:33:10.480 know, am I
00:33:10.860 allowed to say
00:33:11.420 this to my
00:33:11.900 child or not?
00:33:12.640 That creates,
00:33:13.400 you know,
00:33:14.440 potential issues
00:33:15.380 when you're
00:33:15.740 trying to have
00:33:16.240 these conversations.
00:33:18.720 And, you know,
00:33:19.120 whatever you might
00:33:19.820 think of the
00:33:20.420 choices of parents
00:33:21.860 in some of
00:33:22.320 these situations,
00:33:23.420 situations, you
00:33:24.760 know, I think
00:33:25.200 these raise real
00:33:26.700 issues, you
00:33:27.220 know, the
00:33:27.960 pornography
00:33:28.500 example, right?
00:33:29.400 We know that
00:33:30.380 younger and
00:33:33.060 younger children
00:33:34.000 are being
00:33:35.060 exposed to
00:33:35.940 sometimes very
00:33:36.580 violent pornographic
00:33:37.660 images on the
00:33:38.920 internet, and
00:33:39.700 you know,
00:33:41.260 counseling around
00:33:42.660 what some of the
00:33:44.180 effects of those
00:33:44.860 things may be
00:33:45.700 is an important
00:33:48.020 thing for us to
00:33:48.860 be thinking
00:33:49.580 about.
00:33:50.820 If you have
00:33:51.440 12 and 13
00:33:52.720 year old boys
00:33:53.400 that are seeing
00:33:53.920 violent sexual
00:33:54.680 images and they
00:33:55.440 need to kind
00:33:56.440 of think about
00:33:57.260 sexual attraction
00:33:58.760 and behavior and
00:33:59.720 try to kind of
00:34:00.960 reorganize their
00:34:02.360 thinking around
00:34:02.920 some of those,
00:34:03.280 obviously that's
00:34:04.560 very important.
00:34:06.100 You're right to
00:34:06.820 point out as well,
00:34:07.660 Andrew, that the
00:34:08.220 legislation doesn't
00:34:09.660 define this as
00:34:11.940 sort of purely in
00:34:13.020 a therapeutic
00:34:13.780 context, right?
00:34:15.080 It includes any
00:34:16.460 practice, right?
00:34:18.080 I mean, what's a
00:34:19.060 practice, right?
00:34:20.220 It very much
00:34:21.820 could include
00:34:22.460 private conversations,
00:34:23.540 I think, and
00:34:25.140 although the
00:34:26.580 government's
00:34:26.840 communication said
00:34:27.580 it doesn't
00:34:27.980 include private
00:34:28.460 conversations,
00:34:28.940 there's no such
00:34:29.560 exclusion in the
00:34:30.620 legislation itself.
00:34:31.740 So if a group of
00:34:33.640 friends are having a
00:34:34.520 conversation about
00:34:35.480 what they think
00:34:36.560 about transgendered
00:34:38.540 issues, you know,
00:34:41.380 I think whether
00:34:42.780 people might agree
00:34:43.840 or disagree with
00:34:44.500 some of the things
00:34:45.040 that are said in
00:34:45.500 that conversation,
00:34:46.060 I think it's sort
00:34:46.800 of common sense that
00:34:47.500 the state shouldn't
00:34:48.080 be policing the
00:34:49.360 things people might
00:34:50.040 say to each other
00:34:50.820 as friends in casual
00:34:52.000 conversation about
00:34:52.880 their views on
00:34:54.140 gender identity.
00:34:55.860 And it stands to
00:34:56.480 reason that someone
00:34:57.200 going to, and I'd
00:34:58.400 say especially
00:34:58.960 someone going to,
00:34:59.860 some sort of a
00:35:00.400 spiritual leader,
00:35:01.300 a priest, a rabbi,
00:35:03.100 a minister, that
00:35:04.000 would be under the
00:35:04.980 microscope under this.
00:35:06.900 You know, I think
00:35:07.840 you hear some of the
00:35:09.820 discourse, people
00:35:10.560 promoting this idea
00:35:11.820 that, you know,
00:35:13.420 we've got to clamp
00:35:14.420 down on religious
00:35:15.480 organizations,
00:35:16.340 supposedly.
00:35:16.860 I do want to be
00:35:18.140 clear, like, I
00:35:18.640 don't think there
00:35:19.640 is any religious
00:35:20.660 organization,
00:35:21.920 certainly that I'm
00:35:25.260 for, no churches,
00:35:26.800 mosques, synagogues
00:35:28.300 that want, I think
00:35:31.660 you'd find general
00:35:32.760 agreement from faith
00:35:33.540 communities as well
00:35:34.440 that conversion
00:35:35.120 therapy as properly
00:35:36.100 defined is
00:35:36.740 unacceptable.
00:35:37.880 But yes, of course,
00:35:38.880 in a religious
00:35:39.620 context, there are
00:35:42.240 also conversations
00:35:43.040 about sexuality
00:35:43.760 where people are
00:35:44.380 saying, you know,
00:35:45.720 you should conform
00:35:46.900 your sexual
00:35:48.680 behavior to ways
00:35:51.540 that align with
00:35:52.600 the teachings of
00:35:53.900 your faith.
00:35:54.680 And if people don't
00:35:56.120 like the messages
00:35:56.760 they're receiving,
00:35:57.540 they're, of course,
00:35:57.980 welcome to seek out
00:36:00.180 spiritual fulfillment
00:36:01.580 in the context of a
00:36:02.840 different faith
00:36:03.600 community that has a
00:36:04.940 different approach to
00:36:05.620 these sexuality issues.
00:36:06.740 But it would seem to
00:36:08.420 be a big overreach if
00:36:09.580 the implication of this
00:36:10.560 is that the state is
00:36:11.660 saying that faith
00:36:13.500 communities can't
00:36:14.680 teach ideas about
00:36:17.940 sexuality that may
00:36:20.300 reflect their
00:36:20.860 teachings but may not
00:36:21.740 be sort of in vogue
00:36:23.100 with the assumptions
00:36:24.700 about sexual behavior
00:36:25.620 in our modern society.
00:36:27.300 Douglas Murray, who's
00:36:28.620 a great writer and
00:36:29.680 author and a gay man
00:36:30.840 himself, has said
00:36:31.940 that his issue with
00:36:33.320 a lot of these
00:36:33.960 conversion therapy
00:36:34.820 bans that have been
00:36:35.740 proposed elsewhere
00:36:36.540 around the world, not
00:36:37.380 about this one
00:36:37.940 specifically, is that
00:36:38.820 they don't often
00:36:40.400 allow for people
00:36:41.400 that might have
00:36:42.120 a discomfort with
00:36:43.080 something in their
00:36:43.620 own life to seek it
00:36:44.600 even if it's
00:36:45.040 completely voluntary?
00:36:46.600 And is that your
00:36:47.060 reading of this bill
00:36:47.860 that if someone, and
00:36:48.580 I'm not talking about
00:36:49.160 a gay person that
00:36:49.940 is trying to turn
00:36:50.700 straight, I think
00:36:51.680 we've all agreed
00:36:52.300 that that's not
00:36:53.360 within the parameters
00:36:54.320 of what anyone in
00:36:55.680 society should be
00:36:56.480 advocating, but
00:36:57.760 you know, should
00:36:58.540 there be, or is
00:36:59.660 there under the bill
00:37:00.400 as it's written now
00:37:01.360 something that would
00:37:02.300 allow someone who
00:37:03.140 is personally
00:37:04.220 interested in changing
00:37:05.820 an aspect of their
00:37:06.580 life to seek out a
00:37:07.440 service that does
00:37:08.080 that, or is that
00:37:08.680 gone as well?
00:37:09.320 Well, there's
00:37:10.640 this, as part of
00:37:12.300 the definition,
00:37:13.200 there's this kind
00:37:14.060 of exception
00:37:14.580 afterwards that
00:37:15.660 says it doesn't
00:37:16.600 include people that
00:37:18.060 are exploring aspects
00:37:20.240 of their identity,
00:37:22.040 but there is sort of
00:37:25.480 loaded ambiguity here
00:37:26.940 that raises that
00:37:29.760 question.
00:37:31.320 You know, people that
00:37:33.020 are, and I've, in
00:37:34.860 sort of thinking about
00:37:35.540 this issue, I've
00:37:37.180 talked in detail
00:37:39.280 with gay friends
00:37:40.220 of mine, some
00:37:42.100 of whom are
00:37:43.760 involved in faith
00:37:45.340 communities, some
00:37:45.940 of whom are not
00:37:47.020 at all, and
00:37:48.380 you know, they
00:37:49.780 would, I think,
00:37:51.120 all agree that
00:37:52.140 conversion therapy,
00:37:53.380 as it's been
00:37:53.760 historically understood,
00:37:54.580 is deeply
00:37:56.060 problematic, but
00:37:58.140 that there are also
00:37:59.280 issues with this
00:38:00.200 definition, and part
00:38:01.080 of that issue is
00:38:01.960 the liberty of
00:38:04.460 people who are
00:38:07.060 LGBT to have
00:38:08.880 conversations within
00:38:10.220 their own faith
00:38:12.820 communities as they
00:38:13.700 try and explore
00:38:15.280 these aspects of
00:38:18.280 their identity.
00:38:19.700 I think we should be
00:38:20.780 concerned about when
00:38:21.560 people are subject to
00:38:22.780 bullying, degrading
00:38:24.040 treatment, but if
00:38:26.680 people are hearing
00:38:27.760 sort of a range of
00:38:28.860 different points of
00:38:29.620 view about
00:38:30.420 sexuality, about
00:38:32.180 theology, whatever
00:38:33.300 the case may be,
00:38:36.080 view in a way
00:38:37.160 that's, you know,
00:38:38.760 in a way that's
00:38:40.200 respectful, that
00:38:41.020 affirms their
00:38:41.700 human dignity, it
00:38:44.820 would be strange
00:38:45.920 for the state to
00:38:46.660 say that they have
00:38:47.660 to somehow protect
00:38:48.720 people from those
00:38:50.640 kinds of
00:38:51.060 conversations.
00:38:52.880 And of course,
00:38:53.720 right now the
00:38:54.160 government is focused
00:38:54.980 on anti-coronavirus
00:38:57.060 approaches and
00:38:58.280 policies and all
00:38:59.080 of these other
00:38:59.460 things, so I know
00:39:00.020 this is not front of
00:39:01.400 mind right now, but
00:39:02.180 it will be coming
00:39:02.720 back, and certainly
00:39:03.720 I think everyone can
00:39:04.980 agree we don't want
00:39:05.740 bills that are
00:39:06.620 deliberately or
00:39:07.520 unintentionally
00:39:08.300 ambiguous.
00:39:08.960 The website with
00:39:10.100 the petition,
00:39:10.780 fixthedefinition.ca.
00:39:12.600 Just before I let
00:39:13.720 you go, Garnet, I
00:39:14.540 mean, what's your
00:39:15.040 take on the return
00:39:16.580 to parliament plan
00:39:17.500 that we have now?
00:39:18.420 I know that we've
00:39:19.080 had Skyping in of
00:39:20.660 parliamentarians for
00:39:21.620 the first time in
00:39:22.420 Canadian history,
00:39:23.660 well not Skype, but
00:39:24.460 the parliamentary
00:39:25.340 service.
00:39:26.020 Do you think that
00:39:26.600 there is an
00:39:27.420 effective way to
00:39:28.240 get things done
00:39:29.040 through the method
00:39:30.280 that's been
00:39:30.740 proposed and
00:39:31.500 implemented now?
00:39:33.260 Well, I think we
00:39:34.540 should have more
00:39:35.700 in-person sittings on
00:39:37.320 Parliament Hill.
00:39:39.240 We have one a week,
00:39:40.900 and we're able to do
00:39:42.520 that in a way that's
00:39:43.580 safe and practicing
00:39:46.780 social distancing in
00:39:47.940 the chamber, and
00:39:49.200 there's no public
00:39:51.720 health reason why we
00:39:52.800 couldn't have a few
00:39:53.660 more of those a week
00:39:54.660 given that, again,
00:39:55.500 we're already doing
00:39:56.500 one a week, and the
00:39:59.480 government's approach
00:40:00.800 to this is quite
00:40:01.800 inconsistent.
00:40:02.620 They allege that,
00:40:04.020 you know, oh, we've
00:40:04.420 got to keep people
00:40:05.000 off Parliament Hill
00:40:05.820 because it's not
00:40:06.460 safe, and then they
00:40:07.460 send a whole bunch of
00:40:08.280 ministers to the Hill
00:40:09.320 to do a press
00:40:10.500 conference in terms
00:40:12.420 of the gun ban.
00:40:13.720 It's like it's safe
00:40:15.280 for ministers to come
00:40:16.300 and announce sweeping
00:40:18.220 orders in council,
00:40:19.240 but it's not safe for
00:40:21.220 parliamentarians to come,
00:40:25.540 more to ask than
00:40:26.080 questions.
00:40:26.460 So, look, we need to do
00:40:29.420 everything we can to
00:40:30.320 ensure that Parliament is
00:40:31.320 working during these
00:40:32.160 challenging times.
00:40:33.300 The government is
00:40:34.280 spending a lot of money,
00:40:35.420 they're making expansive
00:40:36.340 decisions, and I mean,
00:40:37.900 part of the reason why
00:40:38.540 it's important to talk
00:40:39.360 about C8 and fix the
00:40:40.820 definition is the
00:40:43.420 government has shown us
00:40:44.440 with their order in
00:40:45.120 council on firearms that
00:40:46.900 they are willing to
00:40:48.800 aggressively advance
00:40:50.360 other aspects of their
00:40:51.440 agenda and try to use
00:40:52.620 the potential lack of
00:40:53.540 scrutiny to do so.
00:40:54.460 So, in addition to all
00:40:55.500 the issues around the
00:40:56.400 money spent in the
00:40:57.280 COVID-19 response,
00:40:58.860 there's a question about
00:40:59.740 advancing other aspects
00:41:01.140 of their agenda.
00:41:03.260 Andrew, nobody thinks
00:41:04.140 that we should have
00:41:04.880 338 MPs in the chamber
00:41:06.900 at once, shoulder to
00:41:08.180 shoulder.
00:41:10.060 You know, there's no one
00:41:12.140 proposing sort of a
00:41:14.160 pure business as usual
00:41:16.200 we can find adaptations
00:41:19.740 and we've found them
00:41:20.860 already.
00:41:21.980 The digital sitting so
00:41:24.320 called, I don't think
00:41:25.620 you could have a real
00:41:26.380 virtual parliament that
00:41:27.440 would actually respect the
00:41:28.520 rights and privileges of
00:41:29.460 members.
00:41:29.820 What we have right now is
00:41:30.920 a little bit of a
00:41:32.040 workaround where it's a
00:41:33.160 special COVID-19
00:41:34.580 committee.
00:41:35.240 It does some of the
00:41:36.140 things that would
00:41:36.560 normally happen in the
00:41:37.460 chamber, but it is
00:41:38.180 formally a parliamentary
00:41:39.000 committee, which means
00:41:41.060 that there aren't some of
00:41:42.020 the same limitations and
00:41:43.560 requirements.
00:41:44.140 So, and still there's
00:41:48.660 technical problems with
00:41:49.520 that.
00:41:49.860 So let's use the chamber
00:41:51.980 more in person.
00:41:52.940 That would be my suggestion.
00:41:55.680 Yeah, I've seen how many
00:41:56.560 ministers of the crown
00:41:57.800 haven't actually been able
00:41:58.960 to unmute in TV interviews.
00:42:00.320 So I wasn't optimistic in
00:42:01.620 the virtual parliament going
00:42:02.780 off without a hitch just
00:42:04.180 based on user error.
00:42:05.320 So I appreciate that answer
00:42:06.620 and appreciate your time
00:42:07.380 today.
00:42:07.780 Sherwood Park, Fort
00:42:08.560 Saskatchewan MP Garnett
00:42:09.700 Janis joining me on the
00:42:10.680 line.
00:42:11.280 Thanks so much, Garnett.
00:42:11.980 Good to talk to you as
00:42:12.660 always.
00:42:12.820 Thank you.
00:42:13.180 Great to talk to you and
00:42:13.980 your viewers as well.
00:42:15.480 And that does it for us
00:42:16.640 today.
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