Juno News - May 06, 2020


Machine Guns in the Streets?


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The mainstream media is peddling misinformation about firearms, Tom Cruise is going to space, and the liberal ban on conversion therapy is actually nothing of the sort. The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now, and it's going to be a wild one.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.760 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:13.060 Coming up, the mainstream media is peddling misinformation about firearms,
00:00:17.220 Tom Cruise is going to space,
00:00:18.900 and the liberal ban on conversion therapy is actually nothing of the sort.
00:00:25.180 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:30.000 Hey, welcome along everyone to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show,
00:00:35.440 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.
00:00:38.660 Thank you so much for tuning in,
00:00:40.520 especially after the firearms intensive episode we did on Monday.
00:00:44.560 It ended up being a deep dive into all things guns,
00:00:47.480 talking about the liberal gun ban last week.
00:00:50.220 And there's going to be some more firearm stuff in this show,
00:00:52.520 but we're also going to get on to some other topics.
00:00:55.080 In particular, MP Garnett Janis is going to join
00:00:58.000 to talk about why the liberal definition of conversion therapy
00:01:01.900 that they're using to impose a ban on it
00:01:04.420 isn't actually the real definition.
00:01:06.980 And in his eyes, there's going to be a creation of more problems
00:01:10.820 than the bill solves.
00:01:12.540 So we'll talk about that later on in the show.
00:01:14.400 Also, a couple of little odds and ends that I didn't get to on Monday
00:01:17.540 and some other things happening in the world.
00:01:19.660 This one's going to be a bit more free form.
00:01:21.520 I don't even know where we're going to go.
00:01:22.780 I just know how long we're going to do it for.
00:01:24.440 And at the end, maybe we'll go back to having something
00:01:26.820 that's a bit more rigidly structured.
00:01:28.260 But I've just got more stories than I can fit in.
00:01:31.120 So I figure if I promise I'm going to get to all of them, I won't.
00:01:34.000 So I'm just going to, at some point, just go tab fishing
00:01:36.660 and talk about various things that are happening.
00:01:39.120 But this one I did plan.
00:01:41.280 This one I did plan.
00:01:42.580 And that is that, did you know there are machine guns
00:01:45.720 that are just ubiquitous throughout Canada?
00:01:47.620 That everywhere you go, there's a machine gun.
00:01:49.780 Just machine guns, Tommy guns, Uzis, Gatling guns,
00:01:52.780 no matter what, it's there.
00:01:54.920 I didn't, but I have stand, I'm standing to be corrected here
00:01:58.560 because Heather Malick says so.
00:02:00.760 Heather Malick, the Toronto Star scribe, says in a column,
00:02:04.160 don't grandfather machine guns, eliminate them.
00:02:07.740 Now, there are a lot of things in that.
00:02:10.300 It's how many words?
00:02:10.960 One, two, three, four, six words in that headline.
00:02:13.120 And I think she's probably managed to have something wrong
00:02:15.560 with every single one of them.
00:02:17.400 But I want to go through this.
00:02:18.860 The idea that she's putting forward in the column,
00:02:22.260 which is actually a sensible enough idea
00:02:24.660 if you try to attribute sense to Heather Malick,
00:02:28.700 which is a big if.
00:02:29.560 But if you do, her point is that if these guns are so terrible,
00:02:33.960 why are you giving people two years?
00:02:35.800 The liberals have put in this two-year amnesty period.
00:02:38.620 You can still own the guns for two years
00:02:40.640 while the liberals try to figure out what to do with them.
00:02:43.640 And the idea that she's putting forward here
00:02:45.980 is that if they're so bad, you should just get rid of them,
00:02:48.840 ban them, take them back immediately,
00:02:50.900 confiscate them, do whatever you need to,
00:02:52.840 but don't let people have these guns.
00:02:55.360 And that is actually not an illogical position.
00:02:58.340 Now, for obvious reasons, I don't want the liberals to do it,
00:03:01.900 but it makes sense.
00:03:03.120 Because if the next two years show there's no gun crime,
00:03:06.340 no mass shootings, and people still are under this amnesty,
00:03:09.220 doesn't that prove what gun owners are saying now,
00:03:11.980 which is that there isn't really all that much of an issue
00:03:15.120 in Canada from guns,
00:03:16.820 and specifically from the type of guns
00:03:18.560 that the liberals have now prohibited.
00:03:20.760 So that's part of it here.
00:03:22.020 And by the way, if you look at the prohibition list,
00:03:24.060 it's quite interesting.
00:03:25.220 We talked last week about the Facebook group name
00:03:27.720 and the blog name.
00:03:29.000 There have been some other things
00:03:30.120 that have been found on here to be banned.
00:03:32.080 And we'll talk about this very briefly now,
00:03:34.440 because one of them was like a missile launcher,
00:03:37.100 a rocket launcher, grenade launchers,
00:03:39.240 none of which you could get in Canada.
00:03:41.480 And the liberals have not actually put forward anything
00:03:44.860 to support the idea that you could have gotten these guns before.
00:03:48.580 I mean, if so, that is just a missed opportunity
00:03:50.840 for a lot of gun owners,
00:03:52.000 that we could have been arming ourselves
00:03:53.780 with whole, you know, rocket launchers,
00:03:56.280 anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft guns,
00:03:58.620 the whole shebang.
00:03:59.380 You could just sit out on your balcony in the summer,
00:04:01.520 sit out on your porch and, you know,
00:04:03.180 crack a beer, lay back, put on some Frank Sinatra,
00:04:05.820 and start just lobbing grenades
00:04:07.320 into the field behind you.
00:04:09.120 But apparently you could do that no longer.
00:04:12.660 So Heather Malick, however, to go back to this, 0.94
00:04:15.580 is saying that we should just get rid of guns.
00:04:18.700 But here's the problem with this.
00:04:20.140 Machine guns.
00:04:21.760 These are not machine guns.
00:04:23.440 I've spoken at endless lengths about this,
00:04:26.320 the difference between semi-automatic
00:04:28.460 and what a lot of people think it means,
00:04:30.140 which is fully automatic,
00:04:31.420 like a gun where you hold the trigger
00:04:33.460 and it just keeps shooting.
00:04:34.780 But Heather Malick doubles down on this. 1.00
00:04:36.620 And she says in the column,
00:04:38.660 semi-automatic in name only,
00:04:41.260 they can easily fire almost as fast
00:04:44.080 as an automatic rifle used in war.
00:04:46.580 In other words, they are basically machine guns,
00:04:49.280 but not called that because simple words
00:04:51.480 are obscured by cults lobbying for mainstream respect
00:04:54.960 while whitewashing hideous death,
00:04:57.400 e.g. shooter, which evades the more damning gunman word.
00:05:00.840 Now, I don't think that shooter and gunman,
00:05:02.840 when you're talking about a criminal,
00:05:04.080 are all that dissimilar.
00:05:05.200 I say killer, I say murderer.
00:05:07.120 So I don't think that cults are lobbying for this,
00:05:10.180 like she tends to say about the gun community.
00:05:13.120 But also, there are just a lot of assumptions here.
00:05:16.200 Now, she claims in the column that she grew up with guns.
00:05:19.620 I don't believe that.
00:05:20.920 I think that she's just illiterate and grew up with gum. 0.99
00:05:23.980 And that's the only thing that I can think of.
00:05:26.000 I said on Twitter that Heather Malick 1.00
00:05:27.560 is either the most willfully ignorant person
00:05:29.600 in Canadian media,
00:05:30.720 or she's the greatest performance artist of our era.
00:05:33.940 I can't decide which because with stuff like this,
00:05:36.620 I assume that she has to be putting on just some act.
00:05:39.660 And this has to be some big stunt
00:05:41.240 that's like an Andy Kaufman-esque attempt at just,
00:05:44.260 you know, pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.
00:05:46.040 And she's been doing it for 20 years
00:05:47.600 and is going to keep doing it
00:05:48.960 because no one can be this willfully ignorant about guns.
00:05:52.620 For her to claim that she grew up with them,
00:05:54.700 I don't think she ever touched them.
00:05:56.360 I don't think she ever asked anyone about them.
00:05:58.260 I don't think she knows anything
00:06:00.280 because if she did,
00:06:01.420 she would know why this is just wrong.
00:06:03.860 Not iffy, not well, if you look at it.
00:06:06.320 No, it's just plain wrong.
00:06:08.720 But this is the type of fear-mongering,
00:06:10.880 especially in the Toronto Star,
00:06:12.460 especially in the city of Toronto,
00:06:13.980 that is driving the narrative in many ways
00:06:16.920 because people in Toronto are going to look and say,
00:06:18.840 oh my goodness,
00:06:19.880 this isn't grandpa's hunting rifle they're talking about.
00:06:22.440 This is a machine gun.
00:06:24.600 Tom, come read this article.
00:06:25.800 Apparently machine guns were in Canada.
00:06:27.780 I didn't know.
00:06:28.340 Like, this is terrifying people.
00:06:30.960 This is the sort of thing
00:06:32.100 that is just completely flying in the face
00:06:34.640 of the facts, of the truth.
00:06:36.940 But this is the messaging
00:06:38.420 that is really selling the liberal plan.
00:06:41.420 This is the messaging that is serving as the basis
00:06:43.860 for the liberals being able to get away with this.
00:06:47.300 You know, people have actually looked into this list a bit more.
00:06:50.980 And in many cases, the whole point of it,
00:06:53.080 and I said this on Monday,
00:06:54.040 is that these guns are not even independent, fully-fledged guns.
00:06:57.660 They're just every variation and permutation of numbers imaginable.
00:07:01.420 And I've seen a whole bunch of people that have said,
00:07:03.500 oh, do you know this was there?
00:07:04.720 This was there.
00:07:05.300 This was there.
00:07:05.880 It sounds like an airsoft guns on the list.
00:07:08.320 One person had said to me
00:07:09.860 that there was a bolt-action hunting rifle that was on the list.
00:07:13.380 I wasn't able to find it myself,
00:07:14.760 but they've also written them out very differently,
00:07:17.240 so I don't know necessarily.
00:07:19.240 But the whole point of this is
00:07:20.600 that I think they just tried to shove everything they could on this list
00:07:23.520 to say to Canadians, we're banning 1,500 things.
00:07:26.520 And then at the end of it,
00:07:28.420 they say, okay, well, you know, we're running out of things.
00:07:31.200 Let's just pop those grenade launchers on there. 0.99
00:07:33.080 No one will look it up.
00:07:33.860 No one will read through 1,500.
00:07:35.560 And then a couple of people with time on their hands did.
00:07:38.640 And I'm glad they did,
00:07:39.860 because it shows the absurdity of all of this.
00:07:42.200 So I actually had an experience in the last two days
00:07:45.340 that revealed to me how the government actually has no plan here.
00:07:49.340 I mentioned on the last show that I'm moving,
00:07:52.300 and I had had to reach out to the RCMP, actually,
00:07:55.040 and say, listen, are people who are moving
00:07:56.820 allowed to transport their firearms?
00:07:58.760 And the RCMP media relations person said yes,
00:08:01.680 so that would be fine.
00:08:02.700 I said, okay.
00:08:04.320 So because we're doing it in a little while,
00:08:06.080 I just wanted to get out of the way.
00:08:07.560 So I emailed the CFO,
00:08:09.000 the chief firearms office in my province,
00:08:10.940 and I said, I'm moving.
00:08:12.220 Here's my firearms license number.
00:08:14.500 Here's where I'm moving.
00:08:15.380 I'd like to get a temporary authorization to transport,
00:08:18.680 which basically is a piece of paper that says,
00:08:20.600 yes, you are permitted to move them
00:08:21.860 from this point A to that point B.
00:08:24.400 And when it came back,
00:08:27.060 it lists on it.
00:08:28.520 I'm not going to show you
00:08:29.200 because I don't want the details to be public,
00:08:30.660 but it lists the firearms that are included
00:08:33.140 in the authorization.
00:08:34.820 And one of them was missing.
00:08:37.100 And the one that was missing was,
00:08:38.600 you guessed it, the AR-15.
00:08:40.160 If you didn't guess it, it was the AR-15.
00:08:42.160 And I'd immediately responded back.
00:08:43.920 I said, hi, you know, thank you very much.
00:08:45.300 I said, this one's missing here.
00:08:46.820 I'm assuming that this is because of the prohibition.
00:08:49.740 However, please advise, yada, yada, yada,
00:08:51.880 you know, here unto, you know, yours sincerely.
00:08:55.020 I'm very formal when I talk to government people.
00:08:57.780 And then she had actually called me.
00:09:01.360 And I should have recorded the call
00:09:02.520 because this is like the one piece
00:09:03.820 of exculpatory evidence I need if I end up arrested.
00:09:06.360 But she had said, listen,
00:09:07.600 at this point, there is no plan from the government.
00:09:10.540 I'm paraphrasing, but she said,
00:09:12.020 the problem is that it won't let us give you an ATT
00:09:15.560 because it's been prohibited.
00:09:17.340 However, there's no mechanism to do anything else with it.
00:09:20.220 So the advice was just move it.
00:09:22.700 I mean, it seems to be covered by the amnesty.
00:09:24.860 So just move it.
00:09:25.900 But the chief firearms officers
00:09:27.520 didn't know what was supposed to happen here.
00:09:31.520 Didn't know what was supposed to happen here.
00:09:33.240 So the problem with this
00:09:34.840 is that it was completely thrust out the door.
00:09:37.060 And if the government were, as Justin Trudeau said,
00:09:41.200 preparing to do this anyway prior to the pandemic,
00:09:44.160 it's a shame they have nothing to show for it.
00:09:47.040 This suggests that they did thrust it out the door
00:09:49.560 because the actual information isn't there.
00:09:52.560 The answers to the questions aren't there.
00:09:54.700 All they have is a list of guns,
00:09:56.840 some of which are airsoft guns,
00:09:58.260 some of which are grenade launchers.
00:09:59.840 And some of which, by the way,
00:10:01.480 according to the Canadian Shooting Sports Association,
00:10:03.960 are shotguns that are used for hunting.
00:10:07.460 Now, I didn't pick up on this when the list first came out,
00:10:10.340 but at the very bottom,
00:10:12.220 it talks about the idea of having a removable choke.
00:10:16.320 So the choke is something that's in the muzzle of a shotgun
00:10:19.380 and the choke determines the spray.
00:10:21.860 So shotguns are not shooting bullets.
00:10:23.460 They're shooting a shot.
00:10:24.860 They're shooting, you know, pellets,
00:10:25.920 little ball bearing type things.
00:10:27.600 And the choke is what decides
00:10:29.580 whether it goes like this or like this.
00:10:31.220 And the whole point of that choke
00:10:34.540 is that it can change the pattern
00:10:37.280 and by extension, the power of the gun.
00:10:39.580 Well, some shotguns that are used for hunting,
00:10:41.560 10-gauge, 12-gauge shotguns,
00:10:43.260 have a removable choke.
00:10:45.720 It's just the nature of the firearm.
00:10:48.040 Those are banned.
00:10:49.700 Now, Bill Blair has accused the CSSA
00:10:52.020 of peddling misinformation,
00:10:53.900 but they actually got a legal opinion
00:10:55.720 that at a glance looks like
00:10:57.960 it has a heck of a lot more knowledge
00:11:00.100 and time and effort that went into it
00:11:01.780 than anything the government has done putting it.
00:11:03.680 So I don't think that if you get arrested
00:11:06.100 for having a gun that's now prohibited
00:11:07.820 that Bill Blair's Facebook post
00:11:09.860 telling you it's not actually illegal
00:11:11.540 is going to do all that much to save you.
00:11:14.860 So that's going to be a big problem here.
00:11:16.940 And they've also banned guns
00:11:18.600 that are not semi-automatic,
00:11:20.280 that are used for hunting,
00:11:22.160 some for long-range shooting,
00:11:23.700 others for taking down big game,
00:11:25.420 like .50 caliber rifles is a great example.
00:11:27.580 There are people that just have these large ranches
00:11:30.120 out in Alberta, Saskatchewan
00:11:31.520 where they do long-range target shooting.
00:11:33.460 That's done.
00:11:34.260 That's gone.
00:11:35.360 Now, technically, you can't use them.
00:11:37.260 So people that have invested
00:11:38.420 thousands and thousands of dollars
00:11:40.180 into these things
00:11:41.080 are now sitting on something that is worthless.
00:11:44.160 The government doesn't have a buyback plan.
00:11:46.120 They don't even have a surrendering plan.
00:11:48.480 They don't have any idea
00:11:49.920 how many of these guns there are,
00:11:51.300 where they are.
00:11:51.960 It sounds as though Justin Trudeau
00:11:54.900 at least has not closed the door
00:11:57.660 on grandfathering.
00:11:59.160 So this is something that came up,
00:12:00.680 I think it was on Monday afternoon
00:12:03.000 or Tuesday, whenever it was,
00:12:04.760 where Trudeau was asked about grandfathering
00:12:06.820 and he didn't say no.
00:12:08.620 But the whole point is
00:12:09.700 they need to come up with legislation.
00:12:12.020 And the reason that I said a few times,
00:12:14.740 and I was talking to Rod Giltaka
00:12:16.200 about this from the CCFR,
00:12:17.780 that I don't want people to put too much stock
00:12:20.440 in the order and council part of this
00:12:22.940 is because I don't want people to think
00:12:26.700 that if this were to go through parliament,
00:12:28.620 that there would be a different result.
00:12:30.040 There wouldn't be.
00:12:31.100 The Bloc Québécois is very anti-gun.
00:12:34.060 The NDP is very anti-gun.
00:12:36.720 The only thing that the NDP would care about conceivably
00:12:40.060 is Northern and Aboriginal communities.
00:12:43.040 But given they've been given an exemption on this,
00:12:45.140 it doesn't really matter.
00:12:46.060 So the Liberals are very right
00:12:47.940 when they say that the NDP and the Bloc are behind it,
00:12:50.280 which means the Conservative opposition
00:12:52.200 can make some noise.
00:12:53.540 They can raise some questions in committee,
00:12:55.840 but they cannot stop legislation from going through.
00:12:58.940 So yes, it's undemocratic,
00:13:01.100 but you shouldn't make the undemocratic part of this
00:13:04.480 the be-all and end-all
00:13:05.940 because they have the votes to get something passed
00:13:08.480 that is more comprehensive
00:13:09.980 when it's going through the legislature,
00:13:12.520 whenever that point is.
00:13:14.380 And you know, as far as the Quebec thing goes,
00:13:16.060 like I'm actually regretting now,
00:13:17.640 and I'm thinking that a lot of gun owners are regretting
00:13:19.900 not just stamping French lettering
00:13:21.860 on the sides of their guns,
00:13:22.960 whatever the guns were,
00:13:24.000 because that would probably be the only way
00:13:25.740 you could convince the Bloc Québécois
00:13:27.220 to be okay with the AR-15,
00:13:29.100 if it was actually like the AR-Cans or something.
00:13:31.820 Pardon the French accent.
00:13:32.800 I'm in gun mode right now, not French mode.
00:13:34.620 But the AR-Cans is actually good.
00:13:37.280 The AR-15 is not good.
00:13:38.620 So that would be the pitch I'd make
00:13:40.880 to the Bloc Québécois now,
00:13:41.980 just because gun owners are in desperate need
00:13:44.880 of a Hail Mary.
00:13:47.000 And again, the Liberals are also looking
00:13:49.060 to have handguns in municipalities banned,
00:13:52.620 despite the fact that municipalities
00:13:54.680 fall under provincial jurisdiction.
00:13:57.320 The federal government has no right
00:13:59.840 to legislate municipal affairs.
00:14:02.520 So I don't know how it's going to do this legally.
00:14:05.300 I have no idea if it will be legal.
00:14:07.720 I hope there is a challenge.
00:14:09.060 I'm in a city that I don't expect
00:14:11.800 will push back against this
00:14:13.800 if there's a big movement here.
00:14:15.800 I would love it for there to be.
00:14:17.340 I just am not optimistic.
00:14:20.060 But the whole point,
00:14:21.200 I mean, if you're in Toronto, you're screwed.
00:14:22.800 Like John Tory has been the one
00:14:24.220 calling for the handgun ban.
00:14:25.440 So if you live in Toronto,
00:14:26.460 if you live in Montreal,
00:14:27.340 if you live in Vancouver and you own a handgun,
00:14:29.360 you might as well just find a way
00:14:30.560 to turn it into a potted plant holder or something,
00:14:33.420 because that's about all it's going to be good for
00:14:35.580 by the time Trudeau and his team
00:14:37.480 is done with this.
00:14:39.520 So where there is some ambiguity, though,
00:14:42.300 is in the handgun ban.
00:14:43.760 Are they going to ban ownership or banning sales?
00:14:46.820 Because if they ban sales,
00:14:48.000 what they're doing is basically outlawing businesses
00:14:50.180 that are already in a bit of a pinch here,
00:14:52.400 businesses that sell these things.
00:14:54.000 If they ban ownership,
00:14:55.260 then it's again proving to completely miss the mark,
00:14:58.700 to go after people who are not causing the problems,
00:15:02.420 who are not the ones that are the source of gun violence,
00:15:05.560 because that's coming from gangs,
00:15:06.880 not from registered licensed gun owners
00:15:09.140 and people who own handguns.
00:15:10.940 And all of this is to say that the liberals
00:15:13.540 have actually no plan whatsoever.
00:15:17.040 No plan whatsoever.
00:15:18.520 And we are supposed to just accept
00:15:20.340 that this is all in people's interest
00:15:22.380 as a safety matter.
00:15:23.940 It just isn't.
00:15:25.620 And when you get people like Heather Malick
00:15:27.460 talking about machine guns flooding the streets,
00:15:30.300 you know, part of me wants to laugh about it,
00:15:32.120 but at the same time,
00:15:32.960 I know people are buying into this.
00:15:34.440 So you have to push back against this misinformation
00:15:36.900 wherever it is that it's coming from.
00:15:39.460 When we come back in a moment,
00:15:40.840 more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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00:15:49.340 Welcome back to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:15:51.240 Hope you are so far surviving the plague
00:15:54.220 that is the coronavirus pandemic.
00:15:56.640 And if you thought that we were just getting
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00:16:06.880 I believe, a few years back.
00:16:08.520 Murder hornets may spread east from British Columbia
00:16:11.040 if not eradicated, an entomologist says.
00:16:13.700 This is from a CTV story.
00:16:15.980 I didn't realize this,
00:16:17.000 that Canada was gifted a batch of murder hornets
00:16:20.860 in August of 2019,
00:16:23.000 although only now are people talking about them.
00:16:25.340 And the reason why is because
00:16:27.100 they have made landfall in the United States
00:16:29.480 by arriving in Washington state.
00:16:32.360 And now officials are issuing warnings
00:16:34.860 that the Vespa mandarinia species,
00:16:38.360 which the Vespa mandarinia,
00:16:40.540 not a type of motorized scooter,
00:16:42.760 it's not a moped.
00:16:43.580 The Vespa mandarinia is a murder hornet. 0.98
00:16:46.760 They are actually,
00:16:48.340 in technical scientific terms,
00:16:50.820 assholes. 0.57
00:16:51.800 That is the technical scientific term.
00:16:54.040 Hornets that will kill you
00:16:55.900 if they sting you.
00:16:57.540 They can kill humans with multiple bites.
00:17:00.580 And as Dan Riskin,
00:17:02.520 who's a science and tech expert for CTV,
00:17:04.820 says,
00:17:05.040 sometimes an animal that looks scary is harmless,
00:17:07.120 or an animal that looks harmless can be scary.
00:17:09.560 This is one of those cases
00:17:10.680 where it looks really scary
00:17:12.460 and it is really scary.
00:17:14.180 And if we can put up an image
00:17:15.080 of the beautiful Vespa mandarinia up there,
00:17:18.680 yeah, you'll see that that's not something
00:17:19.820 you want flying towards you.
00:17:21.420 And these are extremely aggressive,
00:17:23.640 not usually interested in humans or animals,
00:17:26.180 thankfully,
00:17:26.840 but if they are there
00:17:28.160 and you are the source of their interest for a moment,
00:17:30.820 you will die, 0.98
00:17:31.760 which is comforting.
00:17:32.600 So it's not even like,
00:17:33.860 oh, that'll hurt for a while.
00:17:35.040 It's no, it'll hurt
00:17:35.560 and then you'll drop dead. 0.80
00:17:36.840 So here's the thing though.
00:17:39.440 Sometimes in news stories,
00:17:40.780 they tend to bury the lead.
00:17:42.900 So this thing,
00:17:43.500 you look down and it's,
00:17:44.940 no one knows how they came to North America,
00:17:47.060 but they came from Asia.
00:17:49.480 Mr. Curry,
00:17:50.680 who is a,
00:17:51.800 or should I say Dr. Curry?
00:17:53.420 Yeah, I think I have to say Dr. Curry.
00:17:56.140 Robert Curry,
00:17:56.980 who's the University of Manitoba entomologist.
00:17:59.460 Dr. Curry says,
00:18:00.500 they were likely brought here on cargo by accident
00:18:03.680 or on purpose as a delicacy.
00:18:07.640 This is what he said.
00:18:08.660 They probably came over here from Asia 0.97
00:18:10.180 and soil that was shipped,
00:18:11.240 maybe a plant that was shipped
00:18:12.420 and potted soil or something like that.
00:18:14.480 The queen's winter or overwinter in the soil.
00:18:16.940 So it's possible that a queen
00:18:18.500 could be introduced through that method.
00:18:20.140 The other theory that has been proposed,
00:18:22.460 although he notes there's no concrete evidence,
00:18:24.460 is that they could have been brought over
00:18:25.960 for human consumption as a sort of delicacy.
00:18:28.720 But at this point,
00:18:29.860 we don't really know how they got in.
00:18:31.680 Did we not learn our lesson
00:18:33.320 about these so-called delicacies
00:18:35.240 from the bat soup and pangolin thing 0.99
00:18:37.300 in the wet markets in China?
00:18:38.740 Maybe we don't eat poisonous hornets.
00:18:41.160 Maybe we don't.
00:18:42.140 If someone brought it over for that,
00:18:43.940 they deserve whatever is going to happen to them.
00:18:46.240 I don't know if the hornet
00:18:47.720 that has venomous poison
00:18:49.300 that will kill you is delicious.
00:18:50.880 I don't know who would think it was.
00:18:52.480 I don't know who wants to catch these hornets
00:18:54.380 to find out.
00:18:55.380 It's not me.
00:18:56.160 But please keep your murder hornets overseas. 0.56
00:18:59.740 We don't need them in Canada.
00:19:01.260 This is the whole point,
00:19:02.140 is that I've been stung by bees and wasps
00:19:05.020 and hornets in my life
00:19:06.100 more times than I can count.
00:19:07.560 I don't know how.
00:19:08.620 I was a very unlucky child.
00:19:10.780 So my general approach to this
00:19:12.520 is that if there is something that can sting me,
00:19:14.580 it will sting me.
00:19:15.860 So I don't want it to be like
00:19:17.600 where we finally get out of the lockdown,
00:19:19.260 post-coronavirus,
00:19:20.220 we step outside,
00:19:21.080 and then it's like you either have to run back inside
00:19:22.880 or just drop dead. 0.58
00:19:24.480 It'll be like Zombieland 3.
00:19:26.020 The sequel did so well.
00:19:27.180 Now it's time to turn it into a trilogy.
00:19:29.660 So that was a fun little feel-good story for you all.
00:19:33.400 Wanted to talk about this as well,
00:19:35.480 which is kind of amusing here.
00:19:37.100 Tom Cruise,
00:19:38.560 who I did not think was ever going to get his due
00:19:41.260 on the Andrew Lawton show,
00:19:43.120 is apparently filming a new movie in space.
00:19:47.260 Jim Bridenstine,
00:19:48.340 or Bridenstine,
00:19:49.200 who is the administrator of NASA,
00:19:50.980 tweeted out,
00:19:52.900 NASA is excited to work with Tom Cruise
00:19:54.980 on a film aboard the space station.
00:19:57.500 We need popular media to inspire
00:19:59.280 a new generation of engineers and scientists
00:20:01.700 to make NASA's ambitious plans a reality.
00:20:05.240 So NASA teaming up with Tom Cruise,
00:20:07.000 he gets a ticket to the space station.
00:20:09.260 If we're all lucky,
00:20:10.140 it'll be one way.
00:20:11.380 You know,
00:20:11.700 I think this is kind of neat.
00:20:13.440 If NASA can offset a bit of its budget
00:20:15.360 by working with Hollywood producers,
00:20:17.040 that's fine.
00:20:18.300 Elon Musk replied to the tweet
00:20:19.940 and said it should be a lot of fun.
00:20:21.560 So there are reports that SpaceX,
00:20:23.660 which is Elon Musk company,
00:20:25.000 might be involved.
00:20:26.740 But I look at this in a different lens here.
00:20:29.780 Is Scientologist the type of role
00:20:33.420 that we want on the International Space Station?
00:20:35.880 I don't know much about Scientology,
00:20:37.660 but I feel like space domination
00:20:39.420 might be high enough up on their list
00:20:41.080 that perhaps when Tom Cruise comes and says,
00:20:43.180 hey, bring me into a space shuttle
00:20:45.420 and take me up to the International Space Station.
00:20:47.640 I'm thinking, you know,
00:20:48.260 it might not be the best idea.
00:20:50.820 Katie Holmes was thrilled about it
00:20:52.060 because, you know,
00:20:52.620 send him up and, you know,
00:20:54.180 he never has to come back down to Earth again.
00:20:56.200 But I don't think that we want to be giving
00:20:59.220 a Scientologist the keys 0.98
00:21:00.640 to the International Space Station.
00:21:02.200 That's all.
00:21:02.860 Just a thought there.
00:21:04.220 And in related Hollywood news,
00:21:06.200 Tiger King,
00:21:07.260 which we talked about a few weeks ago on the show,
00:21:09.120 is getting a fictional adaptation
00:21:11.240 with Nicolas Cage set to play Joe Exotic.
00:21:15.780 Now, I'm a big Nicolas Cage fan.
00:21:17.640 I know a lot of people hate him.
00:21:18.720 I don't.
00:21:19.180 I think he's great.
00:21:20.260 And I could kind of see it,
00:21:21.800 like I saw the side-by-side
00:21:23.200 at the bottom of one article
00:21:24.340 and I could, you know,
00:21:25.900 I could see it happening there.
00:21:27.320 But then I realized
00:21:28.840 that as much as there is a yearning
00:21:30.480 for more Tiger King,
00:21:31.580 if you've seen the show,
00:21:32.540 because it is truly like nothing else,
00:21:34.940 that is why I think it is destined
00:21:36.800 to fail as a fictional enterprise.
00:21:39.380 The whole point of fictional adaptations of things
00:21:42.140 or semi-fictional adaptations of things
00:21:44.020 is that movies and TV shows
00:21:46.480 are a lot more interesting than real life.
00:21:48.520 Real life is filled with just boredom
00:21:50.380 interspersed with the occasional events.
00:21:52.700 The Tiger King saga
00:21:54.020 and the Tiger King characters
00:21:55.580 and the story arcs
00:21:56.620 are probably the only situation
00:21:59.040 where nothing can possibly be
00:22:01.760 as insane and unhinged as the real thing.
00:22:04.240 Like, you cannot get someone
00:22:05.880 to be a crazier Joe Exotic
00:22:08.080 than Joe Exotic was.
00:22:10.000 You can't get someone
00:22:10.620 to be a crazier Carole Baskin 1.00
00:22:12.100 than Carole Baskin.
00:22:13.380 Although there is another show
00:22:14.880 where Kate McKinnon from SNL
00:22:17.000 is apparently going to be playing Carole Baskin.
00:22:18.760 So that one, again,
00:22:19.400 I think she's funny.
00:22:20.280 She'll be great.
00:22:21.460 You know,
00:22:21.680 hey, all you cool cats and kittens.
00:22:23.380 You know, it just,
00:22:24.120 it makes me cringe
00:22:24.860 and I don't think that anyone else
00:22:26.080 can do that
00:22:26.640 as much as the original
00:22:28.240 could Carole Baskin herself.
00:22:31.420 Let's talk a little bit about
00:22:32.560 the culture that has permeated
00:22:35.040 in the coronavirus world
00:22:36.780 where people are being told,
00:22:38.740 you can't do this,
00:22:39.360 you can't do this,
00:22:40.000 you can't do this.
00:22:41.020 And there's a paranoia.
00:22:42.280 Everyone's on edge.
00:22:43.580 And here's a report though
00:22:44.900 from Rasmussen.
00:22:46.380 Rasmussen's poll,
00:22:47.500 liberals are significantly more likely
00:22:49.740 to snitch than conservatives.
00:22:51.900 Now this was written about
00:22:53.020 by the American Spectator.
00:22:54.960 And it's perhaps an unsurprising story,
00:22:57.700 but still a pretty interesting one as well.
00:23:00.400 Because what they found in this poll
00:23:02.700 is that the people more likely
00:23:04.960 to be busybodies,
00:23:06.240 and they use 1,200 registered voters here,
00:23:09.320 the most likely,
00:23:10.660 as the article calls it,
00:23:11.920 conscripts in the COVID militia
00:23:14.120 are self-identified liberals
00:23:15.940 who claim membership
00:23:16.820 in the Democratic Party.
00:23:18.340 In the poll,
00:23:19.440 when respondents were asked
00:23:20.680 whether they would report neighbors
00:23:22.000 for holding a social gathering
00:23:23.360 in their home
00:23:23.940 of between 15 to 20 individuals,
00:23:27.060 44% of Democrats
00:23:28.640 would turn in their neighbors,
00:23:30.080 but only 25% of Republicans
00:23:32.160 would do so.
00:23:33.440 The results are even more striking
00:23:34.920 when they analyze by ideology.
00:23:37.080 46% of those identifying
00:23:38.820 as very liberal
00:23:39.680 would turn in their neighbors.
00:23:41.120 24% of those describing themselves
00:23:43.340 as very conservative
00:23:44.640 would be willing to inform
00:23:46.380 on their neighbors.
00:23:47.300 And moderates were in between,
00:23:48.720 40% of political moderates.
00:23:51.700 So here's what I find interesting
00:23:53.580 about this.
00:23:54.400 There is a culture
00:23:55.960 that is, I thought,
00:23:58.440 not on party lines.
00:23:59.700 I know that liberals
00:24:00.680 are by and large,
00:24:02.120 and I mean,
00:24:02.600 not traditional classical liberals,
00:24:04.420 but modern political liberals,
00:24:06.100 are more likely to,
00:24:08.180 I thought,
00:24:08.720 support some of the big government measures.
00:24:10.440 But I kind of thought
00:24:11.480 that the snitch culture
00:24:12.600 would not be along ideological lines.
00:24:15.220 And it may not be
00:24:16.240 in a Canadian context.
00:24:17.220 This is one poll,
00:24:18.280 and it's one poll from the US.
00:24:19.820 But I did find it interesting
00:24:21.280 because I am one of these
00:24:23.060 just do what you want type of people.
00:24:24.860 And I realize that with a pandemic,
00:24:26.440 you have situations
00:24:27.920 that are emerging
00:24:28.680 where it's not just about
00:24:30.300 someone endangering themselves,
00:24:31.720 it's about someone
00:24:32.480 endangering others.
00:24:34.340 And the kind of person
00:24:35.640 that's going to a 15-strong house party
00:24:39.080 is the kind of person
00:24:40.300 that's probably not going to be
00:24:41.940 implementing great
00:24:43.120 hand-washing protocols
00:24:44.520 and sanitizing
00:24:45.580 and all this other stuff
00:24:46.360 when they go out into the world.
00:24:47.720 So I do think
00:24:48.640 there's a case to be made
00:24:49.800 that, yes,
00:24:50.580 there is a risk there.
00:24:51.820 But I also don't think
00:24:53.220 it's the responsibility
00:24:54.240 in a free society
00:24:56.040 to deputize individual people
00:24:58.540 to basically become
00:24:59.720 state informants,
00:25:01.040 which is what a lot of this has done.
00:25:03.320 Look, I went out for a walk
00:25:04.520 with my wife on the weekend
00:25:06.580 and we went to this park nearby
00:25:08.280 and there were lots of people,
00:25:09.360 but everyone was just
00:25:10.080 doing their own thing
00:25:11.140 and staying out of each other's way.
00:25:13.300 And the park was open.
00:25:14.620 I didn't think
00:25:15.220 we were breaking the law.
00:25:16.400 There was a part of me
00:25:17.040 that was like on the drive there.
00:25:18.140 I said, you know,
00:25:18.940 if I am going to get a ticket,
00:25:20.200 I'll at least have
00:25:21.180 a good story out of it.
00:25:22.220 That's kind of the approach
00:25:23.100 that I have to the world
00:25:24.080 sometimes,
00:25:24.860 which is that
00:25:25.300 there's good experiences
00:25:26.600 and there's material
00:25:27.720 and that's it.
00:25:28.600 There are no bad experiences.
00:25:29.880 But alas,
00:25:30.820 I had a good experience.
00:25:31.980 No material out of that one.
00:25:33.580 We've got to take a break.
00:25:34.960 When we come back,
00:25:35.520 we'll talk to Garnet Jenis
00:25:37.200 about his column
00:25:38.280 in the Epoch Times,
00:25:39.360 the maligned newspaper
00:25:41.080 that the CBC wants
00:25:42.620 to pretend is racist.
00:25:44.500 But we're going to be
00:25:45.460 talking about why
00:25:46.380 there is an argument
00:25:47.460 that the federal government
00:25:48.360 is missing
00:25:48.940 and one again
00:25:50.160 that comes down
00:25:50.820 to passing off
00:25:51.700 a definition
00:25:52.200 of something
00:25:52.800 that just isn't accurate.
00:25:54.300 That's up next
00:25:55.040 here on The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:25:56.520 Stay tuned.
00:25:58.320 You're tuned in
00:25:59.500 to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:26:02.160 Welcome back
00:26:02.980 to The Andrew Lawton Show
00:26:04.360 here on True North.
00:26:05.940 As we talk about
00:26:06.740 what life is going
00:26:07.500 to look like
00:26:08.140 after the pandemic,
00:26:09.460 we also have to look
00:26:10.400 at what some
00:26:11.420 of the things
00:26:11.920 on the political agenda
00:26:13.100 were for Canada
00:26:14.140 prior to the lockdown
00:26:15.580 and which of these
00:26:16.380 may come back.
00:26:17.820 And one that I saw
00:26:18.700 a lot of headlines about
00:26:19.900 and a lot of outrage about
00:26:21.060 and frankly
00:26:21.660 I hadn't looked
00:26:22.880 into it too deeply
00:26:24.000 because there were
00:26:24.680 other things going on
00:26:25.600 that I was focused on
00:26:26.600 is a ban
00:26:27.740 from the federal liberals
00:26:29.040 on conversion therapy.
00:26:30.680 And we know
00:26:31.000 that conversion therapy 0.74
00:26:31.840 has a very dark history.
00:26:33.180 People that are forcing
00:26:35.000 or have historically
00:26:36.260 forced those
00:26:37.420 who are gay
00:26:38.020 or have a sexual orientation
00:26:39.440 other than being straight
00:26:40.540 into compliance
00:26:42.220 with being straight
00:26:43.660 if that's not
00:26:44.180 who they are.
00:26:44.920 And it's very terrible
00:26:46.700 that this has happened
00:26:47.580 but that isn't
00:26:48.640 what's being banned
00:26:49.760 in this legislation.
00:26:51.160 And if you look
00:26:51.580 at the fine print
00:26:52.360 you see as the old saying goes
00:26:54.160 that the devil
00:26:54.640 is in the details.
00:26:55.540 So I want to talk about this
00:26:56.480 with MP Garnett Janis
00:26:58.340 who has written
00:26:59.140 a great piece
00:26:59.900 in the Epoch Times
00:27:00.780 about it.
00:27:01.620 Conversion therapy bill
00:27:02.820 could have far-reaching
00:27:04.080 and unexpected consequences.
00:27:06.060 The Sherwood Park
00:27:06.780 Fort Saskatchewan MP
00:27:07.880 joins me on the line now.
00:27:09.900 Garnett, good to talk to you.
00:27:10.740 Thanks very much
00:27:11.240 for your time.
00:27:11.920 Great to be here, Andrew
00:27:12.700 and thank you
00:27:13.060 for the opportunity.
00:27:13.880 Hope you're doing okay
00:27:14.860 under the quarantine
00:27:15.560 conditions here.
00:27:16.640 Yes, likewise.
00:27:18.440 The bill that is really
00:27:20.020 at stake here
00:27:21.080 I find to be
00:27:22.100 very interesting
00:27:23.180 and I mentioned
00:27:23.600 to my listeners earlier
00:27:24.580 I hadn't really looked
00:27:25.680 too much in depth at it
00:27:27.300 because I think
00:27:28.140 like most Canadians 0.96
00:27:29.100 when they hear
00:27:29.560 conversion therapy
00:27:30.340 they have a vision
00:27:31.100 in their mind
00:27:31.620 of what that is
00:27:32.340 and they're against it.
00:27:33.840 And you've raised
00:27:34.720 a number of scenarios
00:27:35.840 that I'll get to here
00:27:36.940 but this isn't actually
00:27:38.460 about conversion therapy
00:27:40.180 at least in so far
00:27:41.120 as how people define
00:27:42.340 that term in their minds.
00:27:44.160 Yeah, let's just hit
00:27:45.520 this very clearly
00:27:46.380 off the top
00:27:47.040 so there's no ambiguity
00:27:48.160 and all of your viewers
00:27:51.640 I'm sure would agree
00:27:52.300 with this.
00:27:53.280 Conversion therapy
00:27:54.260 is bad
00:27:55.920 and we're against it
00:27:57.400 and it's legitimate
00:27:58.500 for the state
00:27:59.240 to take action on it
00:28:01.140 as long as we
00:28:02.620 are understanding
00:28:04.100 what we mean
00:28:04.780 by conversion therapy
00:28:05.680 when we say that.
00:28:06.380 There's this history
00:28:07.120 around using
00:28:08.680 abuse, violence,
00:28:10.940 degrading treatment
00:28:11.900 and to try
00:28:12.940 and compel people
00:28:14.060 to change
00:28:14.900 their sexual orientation.
00:28:17.600 Not only is that
00:28:18.680 ineffective,
00:28:20.060 not only did it
00:28:20.840 not work
00:28:21.520 but it's contrary
00:28:22.920 to human dignity
00:28:24.360 to grading,
00:28:27.160 treatment,
00:28:27.620 violence,
00:28:28.260 bullying
00:28:28.540 in any
00:28:30.100 kinds of
00:28:31.100 context.
00:28:34.240 What I'm
00:28:36.040 concerned about
00:28:36.900 is that this legislation
00:28:37.980 actually uses
00:28:39.900 a definition
00:28:40.680 for conversion therapy
00:28:42.100 which is
00:28:43.680 so broad
00:28:44.680 as to be
00:28:45.320 at certain points
00:28:46.340 incorrect
00:28:46.840 and would
00:28:48.240 call conversion therapy
00:28:50.120 things
00:28:50.660 that I think
00:28:51.820 everybody would accept
00:28:52.600 are not conversion therapy.
00:28:54.140 The definition
00:28:54.680 is expansive
00:28:55.480 such that it includes
00:28:57.200 efforts
00:28:58.920 to
00:28:59.640 reduce
00:29:02.060 a person's
00:29:02.980 sexual attraction
00:29:04.200 or behavior.
00:29:05.220 behavior.
00:29:06.240 So
00:29:06.540 if
00:29:07.400 a parent,
00:29:09.400 if a mentor
00:29:10.020 were to say
00:29:10.800 to a 16-year-old
00:29:12.500 or a 14-year-old
00:29:14.720 maybe you should
00:29:15.580 wait until you're
00:29:16.760 a bit older
00:29:17.300 before you become
00:29:18.200 sexually active 0.54
00:29:19.080 or maybe you should
00:29:21.080 dial back
00:29:23.000 a particular
00:29:23.880 relationship,
00:29:24.820 maybe you should
00:29:25.620 not be behaving
00:29:29.540 in certain contexts
00:29:31.400 at a certain age
00:29:32.480 in a way
00:29:33.100 that
00:29:34.120 as an effort
00:29:36.700 to reduce
00:29:37.540 sexual attraction
00:29:38.540 or behavior
00:29:39.280 could be read
00:29:40.440 into this law
00:29:41.200 as being
00:29:42.120 conversion therapy.
00:29:43.520 The interesting thing
00:29:44.260 is that
00:29:44.740 the communications
00:29:46.520 around the release
00:29:47.600 of the bill,
00:29:48.500 the government
00:29:49.080 said it doesn't
00:29:49.880 include private
00:29:50.560 conversations,
00:29:51.580 it doesn't include
00:29:52.240 all these things
00:29:52.700 they said it doesn't
00:29:53.320 include
00:29:53.700 in the legislation.
00:29:56.140 The text
00:29:57.140 of the bill
00:29:57.520 itself,
00:29:58.380 not the accompanying
00:29:59.040 communication
00:29:59.580 but the text
00:30:00.080 of the bill
00:30:00.380 itself
00:30:00.620 which is what
00:30:01.420 would become
00:30:02.220 law doesn't
00:30:03.640 contain those
00:30:04.460 exceptions.
00:30:05.680 So we're all
00:30:07.500 against conversion
00:30:08.180 therapy but
00:30:08.880 there's I think
00:30:09.400 a need to
00:30:10.560 understand and
00:30:11.820 amend and fix
00:30:13.420 the definition
00:30:14.100 here.
00:30:14.900 If the definition
00:30:15.480 isn't fixed,
00:30:16.820 it leaves the door
00:30:17.600 wide open
00:30:18.300 for parenting
00:30:20.440 conversations,
00:30:21.740 for casual
00:30:22.860 discussions as well
00:30:24.060 as legitimate
00:30:25.060 things that parents
00:30:25.860 might say to their
00:30:26.460 children to be
00:30:27.640 perversely read
00:30:28.920 into the definition.
00:30:31.020 Yeah,
00:30:31.460 there's actually
00:30:32.000 a petition
00:30:32.640 that you link
00:30:33.280 to in the article
00:30:34.300 which has,
00:30:35.020 as you just
00:30:35.380 note,
00:30:35.760 fixthedefinition.ca
00:30:37.260 and we'll put
00:30:37.720 that up on the
00:30:38.600 screen there
00:30:39.040 for people to
00:30:39.600 see it.
00:30:40.280 Fix the definition,
00:30:41.200 so is it just
00:30:41.940 a matter in your
00:30:42.760 mind of wanting
00:30:43.620 this bill
00:30:44.100 clarified and
00:30:44.940 that definition
00:30:45.480 fixed or is it
00:30:46.300 that you think
00:30:46.660 the bill itself
00:30:47.400 should be scrapped?
00:30:49.900 Well,
00:30:50.460 I think the
00:30:51.340 definition is
00:30:52.360 the issue.
00:30:52.920 I would be
00:30:55.620 very happy
00:30:56.380 to support
00:30:56.960 legislation
00:30:57.680 which clearly
00:30:58.940 addresses the
00:31:00.160 issue of
00:31:00.940 conversion therapy
00:31:02.300 as everybody
00:31:02.920 or I think
00:31:05.340 as most people
00:31:06.160 kind of understand
00:31:07.080 the term to be
00:31:08.240 and as it
00:31:09.660 comes from
00:31:10.360 terrible practices.
00:31:11.700 It's about the
00:31:12.340 definition.
00:31:12.860 It's about the
00:31:13.200 need to fix
00:31:14.060 the definition.
00:31:15.560 This should be
00:31:16.520 an area on
00:31:17.480 which there is
00:31:18.260 consensus.
00:31:19.220 I think there
00:31:19.600 is consensus.
00:31:20.800 Maybe it's
00:31:21.500 just sloppy
00:31:22.380 legislative
00:31:22.880 drafting and
00:31:23.600 we've seen
00:31:24.340 various cases
00:31:25.120 from this
00:31:25.480 government of
00:31:26.080 sort of trying
00:31:26.620 to rush
00:31:26.920 something out
00:31:27.440 and not doing
00:31:27.940 the legislative
00:31:28.860 drafting,
00:31:29.480 right?
00:31:29.680 Or maybe it's
00:31:30.740 something more
00:31:31.140 insidious.
00:31:31.640 Maybe it's an
00:31:32.480 effort to use
00:31:34.100 an expansive
00:31:35.060 or incorrect
00:31:35.880 definition to
00:31:36.800 create a
00:31:37.240 political wedge
00:31:37.960 when really
00:31:38.660 there's no need
00:31:39.280 for that.
00:31:39.700 I mean,
00:31:39.900 there's agreement
00:31:40.820 on this,
00:31:41.520 but I think
00:31:42.160 there would also
00:31:42.600 be agreement
00:31:43.140 that parents
00:31:45.020 should be able
00:31:45.600 to give
00:31:46.060 instruction to
00:31:46.700 their children
00:31:47.040 about sexual
00:31:47.620 behavior,
00:31:48.300 that mentors,
00:31:51.380 that faith
00:31:52.560 organizations
00:31:53.200 can teach
00:31:54.280 things about
00:31:55.640 sexual behavior
00:31:57.100 in a dignity
00:32:00.580 affirming way
00:32:01.660 and that that
00:32:03.440 shouldn't create
00:32:04.200 sort of questions
00:32:05.140 about legality.
00:32:06.720 Yeah, and I just
00:32:08.180 want to rhyme
00:32:08.720 off very quickly
00:32:10.020 some of the
00:32:10.540 situations you
00:32:11.440 include here,
00:32:12.280 which I think
00:32:13.080 fall outside of
00:32:13.960 the parameters
00:32:14.480 of that
00:32:15.320 stereotypical
00:32:16.660 and historic
00:32:17.440 definition of
00:32:18.180 conversion therapy.
00:32:18.860 You cite a
00:32:20.060 17-year-old who
00:32:21.120 could be struggling
00:32:21.980 with severe
00:32:22.620 addiction to
00:32:23.120 pornography,
00:32:23.520 and he enters
00:32:24.960 a course of
00:32:25.740 psychological
00:32:26.220 counseling to
00:32:27.500 manage that,
00:32:28.180 so in that case
00:32:28.820 it would be
00:32:29.440 consensual
00:32:30.280 seeking of
00:32:31.060 treatment.
00:32:31.840 And another
00:32:32.420 one that we're
00:32:32.960 seeing more
00:32:33.480 commonly,
00:32:34.240 especially with
00:32:34.800 the case out
00:32:35.280 in B.C.,
00:32:36.240 gender affirmation,
00:32:37.660 a grandfather
00:32:38.280 telling a six-year-old
00:32:39.360 girl who thinks 0.91
00:32:39.980 she's a boy,
00:32:40.840 no, you're a girl,
00:32:41.840 there are girls
00:32:42.380 and boys.
00:32:43.140 So these are not
00:32:44.040 even cases of
00:32:45.080 therapies that
00:32:46.000 would be a foul
00:32:46.700 of the law.
00:32:47.140 These are private
00:32:48.100 conversations,
00:32:48.820 and you're saying
00:32:49.700 that when the
00:32:50.080 liberals have
00:32:51.120 promised those
00:32:52.420 are not included
00:32:53.020 in the bill,
00:32:53.500 they actually are.
00:32:54.340 Yeah, and I
00:32:57.180 mean, I will say
00:32:57.640 I think the
00:32:58.000 definition is
00:32:58.660 ambiguous, right?
00:32:59.820 And the concern
00:33:01.440 is, you know,
00:33:02.380 I think probably
00:33:03.340 some of these
00:33:03.860 situations would
00:33:04.720 run afoul of the
00:33:05.520 law as it's
00:33:06.120 written, but
00:33:07.360 there's also a
00:33:08.160 chilling effect
00:33:08.900 where if it's
00:33:09.800 ambiguous, you
00:33:10.480 know, am I
00:33:10.860 allowed to say
00:33:11.420 this to my
00:33:11.900 child or not?
00:33:12.640 That creates,
00:33:13.400 you know,
00:33:14.440 potential issues
00:33:15.380 when you're
00:33:15.740 trying to have
00:33:16.240 these conversations.
00:33:18.720 And, you know,
00:33:19.120 whatever you might
00:33:19.820 think of the
00:33:20.420 choices of parents
00:33:21.860 in some of
00:33:22.320 these situations,
00:33:23.420 situations, you
00:33:24.760 know, I think
00:33:25.200 these raise real
00:33:26.700 issues, you
00:33:27.220 know, the
00:33:27.960 pornography
00:33:28.500 example, right?
00:33:29.400 We know that
00:33:30.380 younger and
00:33:33.060 younger children
00:33:34.000 are being
00:33:35.060 exposed to
00:33:35.940 sometimes very
00:33:36.580 violent pornographic
00:33:37.660 images on the
00:33:38.920 internet, and
00:33:39.700 you know,
00:33:41.260 counseling around
00:33:42.660 what some of the
00:33:44.180 effects of those
00:33:44.860 things may be
00:33:45.700 is an important
00:33:48.020 thing for us to
00:33:48.860 be thinking
00:33:49.580 about.
00:33:50.820 If you have
00:33:51.440 12 and 13
00:33:52.720 year old boys
00:33:53.400 that are seeing
00:33:53.920 violent sexual
00:33:54.680 images and they
00:33:55.440 need to kind
00:33:56.440 of think about
00:33:57.260 sexual attraction
00:33:58.760 and behavior and
00:33:59.720 try to kind of
00:34:00.960 reorganize their
00:34:02.360 thinking around
00:34:02.920 some of those,
00:34:03.280 obviously that's
00:34:04.560 very important.
00:34:06.100 You're right to
00:34:06.820 point out as well,
00:34:07.660 Andrew, that the
00:34:08.220 legislation doesn't
00:34:09.660 define this as
00:34:11.940 sort of purely in
00:34:13.020 a therapeutic
00:34:13.780 context, right?
00:34:15.080 It includes any
00:34:16.460 practice, right?
00:34:18.080 I mean, what's a
00:34:19.060 practice, right?
00:34:20.220 It very much
00:34:21.820 could include
00:34:22.460 private conversations,
00:34:23.540 I think, and
00:34:25.140 although the
00:34:26.580 government's
00:34:26.840 communication said
00:34:27.580 it doesn't
00:34:27.980 include private
00:34:28.460 conversations,
00:34:28.940 there's no such
00:34:29.560 exclusion in the
00:34:30.620 legislation itself.
00:34:31.740 So if a group of
00:34:33.640 friends are having a
00:34:34.520 conversation about
00:34:35.480 what they think
00:34:36.560 about transgendered
00:34:38.540 issues, you know,
00:34:41.380 I think whether
00:34:42.780 people might agree
00:34:43.840 or disagree with
00:34:44.500 some of the things
00:34:45.040 that are said in
00:34:45.500 that conversation,
00:34:46.060 I think it's sort
00:34:46.800 of common sense that
00:34:47.500 the state shouldn't
00:34:48.080 be policing the
00:34:49.360 things people might
00:34:50.040 say to each other
00:34:50.820 as friends in casual
00:34:52.000 conversation about
00:34:52.880 their views on
00:34:54.140 gender identity.
00:34:55.860 And it stands to
00:34:56.480 reason that someone
00:34:57.200 going to, and I'd
00:34:58.400 say especially
00:34:58.960 someone going to,
00:34:59.860 some sort of a
00:35:00.400 spiritual leader,
00:35:01.300 a priest, a rabbi,
00:35:03.100 a minister, that
00:35:04.000 would be under the
00:35:04.980 microscope under this.
00:35:06.900 You know, I think
00:35:07.840 you hear some of the
00:35:09.820 discourse, people
00:35:10.560 promoting this idea
00:35:11.820 that, you know,
00:35:13.420 we've got to clamp
00:35:14.420 down on religious
00:35:15.480 organizations,
00:35:16.340 supposedly.
00:35:16.860 I do want to be
00:35:18.140 clear, like, I
00:35:18.640 don't think there
00:35:19.640 is any religious
00:35:20.660 organization,
00:35:21.920 certainly that I'm
00:35:25.260 for, no churches,
00:35:26.800 mosques, synagogues 1.00
00:35:28.300 that want, I think
00:35:31.660 you'd find general
00:35:32.760 agreement from faith
00:35:33.540 communities as well
00:35:34.440 that conversion
00:35:35.120 therapy as properly
00:35:36.100 defined is
00:35:36.740 unacceptable.
00:35:37.880 But yes, of course,
00:35:38.880 in a religious
00:35:39.620 context, there are
00:35:42.240 also conversations
00:35:43.040 about sexuality
00:35:43.760 where people are
00:35:44.380 saying, you know,
00:35:45.720 you should conform
00:35:46.900 your sexual
00:35:48.680 behavior to ways
00:35:51.540 that align with
00:35:52.600 the teachings of
00:35:53.900 your faith.
00:35:54.680 And if people don't
00:35:56.120 like the messages
00:35:56.760 they're receiving,
00:35:57.540 they're, of course,
00:35:57.980 welcome to seek out
00:36:00.180 spiritual fulfillment
00:36:01.580 in the context of a
00:36:02.840 different faith
00:36:03.600 community that has a
00:36:04.940 different approach to
00:36:05.620 these sexuality issues.
00:36:06.740 But it would seem to
00:36:08.420 be a big overreach if
00:36:09.580 the implication of this
00:36:10.560 is that the state is
00:36:11.660 saying that faith
00:36:13.500 communities can't
00:36:14.680 teach ideas about
00:36:17.940 sexuality that may
00:36:20.300 reflect their
00:36:20.860 teachings but may not
00:36:21.740 be sort of in vogue
00:36:23.100 with the assumptions
00:36:24.700 about sexual behavior
00:36:25.620 in our modern society.
00:36:27.300 Douglas Murray, who's
00:36:28.620 a great writer and
00:36:29.680 author and a gay man
00:36:30.840 himself, has said
00:36:31.940 that his issue with
00:36:33.320 a lot of these
00:36:33.960 conversion therapy
00:36:34.820 bans that have been
00:36:35.740 proposed elsewhere
00:36:36.540 around the world, not
00:36:37.380 about this one
00:36:37.940 specifically, is that
00:36:38.820 they don't often
00:36:40.400 allow for people
00:36:41.400 that might have
00:36:42.120 a discomfort with
00:36:43.080 something in their
00:36:43.620 own life to seek it
00:36:44.600 even if it's
00:36:45.040 completely voluntary?
00:36:46.600 And is that your
00:36:47.060 reading of this bill
00:36:47.860 that if someone, and
00:36:48.580 I'm not talking about
00:36:49.160 a gay person that
00:36:49.940 is trying to turn
00:36:50.700 straight, I think
00:36:51.680 we've all agreed
00:36:52.300 that that's not
00:36:53.360 within the parameters
00:36:54.320 of what anyone in
00:36:55.680 society should be
00:36:56.480 advocating, but
00:36:57.760 you know, should
00:36:58.540 there be, or is
00:36:59.660 there under the bill
00:37:00.400 as it's written now
00:37:01.360 something that would
00:37:02.300 allow someone who
00:37:03.140 is personally
00:37:04.220 interested in changing
00:37:05.820 an aspect of their
00:37:06.580 life to seek out a
00:37:07.440 service that does
00:37:08.080 that, or is that
00:37:08.680 gone as well?
00:37:09.320 Well, there's
00:37:10.640 this, as part of
00:37:12.300 the definition,
00:37:13.200 there's this kind
00:37:14.060 of exception
00:37:14.580 afterwards that
00:37:15.660 says it doesn't
00:37:16.600 include people that
00:37:18.060 are exploring aspects
00:37:20.240 of their identity,
00:37:22.040 but there is sort of
00:37:25.480 loaded ambiguity here
00:37:26.940 that raises that
00:37:29.760 question.
00:37:31.320 You know, people that
00:37:33.020 are, and I've, in
00:37:34.860 sort of thinking about
00:37:35.540 this issue, I've
00:37:37.180 talked in detail
00:37:39.280 with gay friends
00:37:40.220 of mine, some
00:37:42.100 of whom are
00:37:43.760 involved in faith
00:37:45.340 communities, some
00:37:45.940 of whom are not
00:37:47.020 at all, and
00:37:48.380 you know, they
00:37:49.780 would, I think,
00:37:51.120 all agree that
00:37:52.140 conversion therapy,
00:37:53.380 as it's been
00:37:53.760 historically understood,
00:37:54.580 is deeply
00:37:56.060 problematic, but
00:37:58.140 that there are also
00:37:59.280 issues with this
00:38:00.200 definition, and part
00:38:01.080 of that issue is
00:38:01.960 the liberty of
00:38:04.460 people who are
00:38:07.060 LGBT to have 0.97
00:38:08.880 conversations within
00:38:10.220 their own faith
00:38:12.820 communities as they
00:38:13.700 try and explore
00:38:15.280 these aspects of
00:38:18.280 their identity.
00:38:19.700 I think we should be
00:38:20.780 concerned about when
00:38:21.560 people are subject to
00:38:22.780 bullying, degrading
00:38:24.040 treatment, but if
00:38:26.680 people are hearing
00:38:27.760 sort of a range of
00:38:28.860 different points of
00:38:29.620 view about
00:38:30.420 sexuality, about
00:38:32.180 theology, whatever
00:38:33.300 the case may be,
00:38:36.080 view in a way
00:38:37.160 that's, you know,
00:38:38.760 in a way that's
00:38:40.200 respectful, that
00:38:41.020 affirms their
00:38:41.700 human dignity, it
00:38:44.820 would be strange
00:38:45.920 for the state to
00:38:46.660 say that they have
00:38:47.660 to somehow protect
00:38:48.720 people from those
00:38:50.640 kinds of
00:38:51.060 conversations.
00:38:52.880 And of course,
00:38:53.720 right now the
00:38:54.160 government is focused
00:38:54.980 on anti-coronavirus
00:38:57.060 approaches and
00:38:58.280 policies and all
00:38:59.080 of these other
00:38:59.460 things, so I know
00:39:00.020 this is not front of
00:39:01.400 mind right now, but
00:39:02.180 it will be coming
00:39:02.720 back, and certainly
00:39:03.720 I think everyone can
00:39:04.980 agree we don't want
00:39:05.740 bills that are
00:39:06.620 deliberately or
00:39:07.520 unintentionally
00:39:08.300 ambiguous.
00:39:08.960 The website with
00:39:10.100 the petition,
00:39:10.780 fixthedefinition.ca.
00:39:12.600 Just before I let
00:39:13.720 you go, Garnet, I
00:39:14.540 mean, what's your
00:39:15.040 take on the return
00:39:16.580 to parliament plan
00:39:17.500 that we have now?
00:39:18.420 I know that we've
00:39:19.080 had Skyping in of
00:39:20.660 parliamentarians for
00:39:21.620 the first time in
00:39:22.420 Canadian history,
00:39:23.660 well not Skype, but
00:39:24.460 the parliamentary
00:39:25.340 service.
00:39:26.020 Do you think that
00:39:26.600 there is an
00:39:27.420 effective way to
00:39:28.240 get things done
00:39:29.040 through the method
00:39:30.280 that's been
00:39:30.740 proposed and
00:39:31.500 implemented now?
00:39:33.260 Well, I think we
00:39:34.540 should have more
00:39:35.700 in-person sittings on
00:39:37.320 Parliament Hill.
00:39:39.240 We have one a week,
00:39:40.900 and we're able to do
00:39:42.520 that in a way that's
00:39:43.580 safe and practicing
00:39:46.780 social distancing in
00:39:47.940 the chamber, and
00:39:49.200 there's no public
00:39:51.720 health reason why we
00:39:52.800 couldn't have a few
00:39:53.660 more of those a week
00:39:54.660 given that, again,
00:39:55.500 we're already doing
00:39:56.500 one a week, and the
00:39:59.480 government's approach
00:40:00.800 to this is quite
00:40:01.800 inconsistent.
00:40:02.620 They allege that,
00:40:04.020 you know, oh, we've
00:40:04.420 got to keep people
00:40:05.000 off Parliament Hill
00:40:05.820 because it's not
00:40:06.460 safe, and then they
00:40:07.460 send a whole bunch of
00:40:08.280 ministers to the Hill
00:40:09.320 to do a press
00:40:10.500 conference in terms
00:40:12.420 of the gun ban.
00:40:13.720 It's like it's safe
00:40:15.280 for ministers to come
00:40:16.300 and announce sweeping
00:40:18.220 orders in council,
00:40:19.240 but it's not safe for
00:40:21.220 parliamentarians to come,
00:40:25.540 more to ask than
00:40:26.080 questions.
00:40:26.460 So, look, we need to do
00:40:29.420 everything we can to
00:40:30.320 ensure that Parliament is
00:40:31.320 working during these
00:40:32.160 challenging times.
00:40:33.300 The government is
00:40:34.280 spending a lot of money,
00:40:35.420 they're making expansive
00:40:36.340 decisions, and I mean,
00:40:37.900 part of the reason why
00:40:38.540 it's important to talk
00:40:39.360 about C8 and fix the
00:40:40.820 definition is the
00:40:43.420 government has shown us
00:40:44.440 with their order in
00:40:45.120 council on firearms that
00:40:46.900 they are willing to
00:40:48.800 aggressively advance
00:40:50.360 other aspects of their
00:40:51.440 agenda and try to use
00:40:52.620 the potential lack of
00:40:53.540 scrutiny to do so.
00:40:54.460 So, in addition to all
00:40:55.500 the issues around the
00:40:56.400 money spent in the
00:40:57.280 COVID-19 response,
00:40:58.860 there's a question about
00:40:59.740 advancing other aspects
00:41:01.140 of their agenda.
00:41:03.260 Andrew, nobody thinks
00:41:04.140 that we should have
00:41:04.880 338 MPs in the chamber
00:41:06.900 at once, shoulder to
00:41:08.180 shoulder.
00:41:10.060 You know, there's no one
00:41:12.140 proposing sort of a
00:41:14.160 pure business as usual
00:41:16.200 we can find adaptations
00:41:19.740 and we've found them
00:41:20.860 already.
00:41:21.980 The digital sitting so
00:41:24.320 called, I don't think
00:41:25.620 you could have a real
00:41:26.380 virtual parliament that
00:41:27.440 would actually respect the
00:41:28.520 rights and privileges of
00:41:29.460 members.
00:41:29.820 What we have right now is
00:41:30.920 a little bit of a
00:41:32.040 workaround where it's a
00:41:33.160 special COVID-19
00:41:34.580 committee.
00:41:35.240 It does some of the
00:41:36.140 things that would
00:41:36.560 normally happen in the
00:41:37.460 chamber, but it is
00:41:38.180 formally a parliamentary
00:41:39.000 committee, which means
00:41:41.060 that there aren't some of
00:41:42.020 the same limitations and
00:41:43.560 requirements.
00:41:44.140 So, and still there's
00:41:48.660 technical problems with
00:41:49.520 that.
00:41:49.860 So let's use the chamber
00:41:51.980 more in person.
00:41:52.940 That would be my suggestion.
00:41:55.680 Yeah, I've seen how many
00:41:56.560 ministers of the crown
00:41:57.800 haven't actually been able
00:41:58.960 to unmute in TV interviews.
00:42:00.320 So I wasn't optimistic in
00:42:01.620 the virtual parliament going
00:42:02.780 off without a hitch just
00:42:04.180 based on user error.
00:42:05.320 So I appreciate that answer
00:42:06.620 and appreciate your time
00:42:07.380 today.
00:42:07.780 Sherwood Park, Fort
00:42:08.560 Saskatchewan MP Garnett
00:42:09.700 Janis joining me on the
00:42:10.680 line.
00:42:11.280 Thanks so much, Garnett.
00:42:11.980 Good to talk to you as
00:42:12.660 always.
00:42:12.820 Thank you.
00:42:13.180 Great to talk to you and
00:42:13.980 your viewers as well.
00:42:15.480 And that does it for us
00:42:16.640 today.
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