MALCOLM: Elbows up was ALWAYS a lie
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On today's episode of The Candice Malan Show, Candice talks about the removal of Canada's retaliatory tariffs on the United States, and why she thinks it's a huge win for Canada. She also talks about what she thinks of President Trump's new trade deal with Canada.
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I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us
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folks. This episode today is brought to you by Unsmoke, but more on them a little later. So I
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am back in the studio back after a week away. I was chatting with my producer. He asked me if I
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went anywhere or did anything for the week off and I didn't. I just basically cleaned my house.
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I spent the entire week cleaning out all of my closets and my kitchen and everything. And for
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everyone out there who has kids, you know how much stuff you can accumulate. I've got four kids and
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we just accumulate a lot of stuff. So it's good to every now and then go through and get rid of a lot
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of it. Okay, folks, I want to get into the meat of the episode today, which is that Mark Carney has
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put his elbows down. And let me just tell you that the elbows up movement, it was always a liberal
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political campaign slogan. It was a slogan. It was nothing more. The media created it. The liberal
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party created it. Many people in the country thought that it was some kind of a universal
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pan-Canadian elbows up that we were all in it together. It wasn't. It was always a lie. It was
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always just about politics. And now we have it confirmed. So on Friday, Mark Carney, prime minister
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announced that, yeah, those retaliatory tariffs, they're gone. We are removing them and we are
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going back to basically what we should have been doing all along, which is trying to negotiate in
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good faith without slapping tariffs onto each other. So here is Mark Carney speaking in Ottawa
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saying that Canada already has the best deal with the United States. And so we just didn't
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need the tariffs anymore. Let's play the clip. Canada currently has the best trade deal with
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the United States. It's important. It's vital. We do everything we can to preserve this unique
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advantage for Canadian workers, Canadian businesses. I'm announcing today that the Canadian government
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will now match, we will now match the United States by removing all of Canada's tariffs on
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U.S. goods specifically covered under KUSMA. So we're removing the tariffs that we should
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have removed a long time ago. We're matching the United States, which means that they didn't have
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tariffs. So they're not really retaliatory tariffs, are they? If the Americans didn't have them on goods
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covered under NAFTA or USMCA or whatever you want to call it. But the idea here is that,
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and you know this, the audience knows this, a tariff, when they talk about tariffs on the
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Americans, what that really means is a tax on Canadians. Canadians pay the tax. Americans don't
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pay the tax, Canadians do. When the U.S., when U.S. companies and Americans export things out of the
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United States and we import them here in Canada, we pay the taxes on that. So it's a win for Canada
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that we no longer have to play this silly political game where, you know, partisan actors,
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politicians wanting to win elections make us pay a tax and make us cheer about it and make it seem
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like somehow it's patriotic and our duty to have these tariffs, which is really just a tax that we
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pay. So I guess we could be happy that that is over, but the politics of it is just despicable.
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Now, speaking in the Oval Office, President Trump expressed his satisfaction with Carney's decision.
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Of course he's satisfied. Of course he's happy because he's winning. He's winning this negotiation,
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and you can see it all over his face. Here he is saying that he likes Carney quite a bit. Let's play
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that clip. Canada is taking away some retaliatory tariffs. He's removing his tariffs. He's removing
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his retaliatory tariffs, which I thought was nice. And we're going to have another call soon. Yeah,
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we had a very good call. You're getting closer towards the agreement on trade? I like him. We want
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to be very good to Canada. I like Carney a lot. I think he's a good person. And we had a very good
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talk yesterday. So I think it'll be good. Again, folks, this should be good, right? Canada and the
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United States should be on the same team. We should be partners. We're friends. We're allies. We're
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neighbors. Everything about it should be positive. If Trump wants to re-industrialize his country and
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reinvigorate the working class, fantastic. Sign Canada up to let's do it side by side in partnership.
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The reason that this is so incredibly frustrating is because we just want an entire election campaign
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based on a total lie, based on pure propaganda, a slogan that never really made sense, propagated
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by a bought and paid for media. It is just enough to make you go crazy. This is the state of our
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country. This is our country. We gave it away to the liberals, again, based on a pure lie. Here is
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conservative leader Pierre Polyev saying the true things that Mark Carney cave, that he made a series
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of concessions, that he got nothing in return. Let's play that clip. I was happy to hear that he
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got the president on the phone. I know that Mr. Carney has been trying to do that now for about a month
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and today the president accepted his call and the prime minister took the opportunity to make
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a series of very generous concessions to President Trump. And I was expecting that when the call was
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reported, that we'd find that President Trump had given us something in return, that Mr. Carney being
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the negotiator he promised he would be, that he would get something after giving something.
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But not so. Today we learn that it has been yet another capitulation and climb down by Mark Carney.
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Paul, you have saying very many, many, many true things here. And folks, let's just get past one
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thing, okay? The whole elbows up thing, it's a hockey reference, right? When you're playing hockey,
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you put your elbows up, elbows up in the corners like this, right? So to all the liberals that were
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walking around with their elbows up like that, that never made any sense. You're just showing that
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you don't even understand the metaphor. It never made any sense. And at least now we can put it to bed
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and move past and move away from the elbows up nonsense. Because again, if you voted for Mark
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Carney and the liberals based on elbows up, based on the idea that he was going to fight Trump,
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that he was going to negotiate a deal, that he was going to get something for Canadians and that he
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was going to punish the Americans. Well, that didn't happen. That was never going to happen.
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It was never a line. Let me just remind folks, I know you in the audience, you know, you were here
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for it. You never fell for the nonsense, but the legacy media did. And the people who watch legacy media,
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the people who watch CBC, CTV, Global News, everybody, they were all promoting this idea
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that Trump, that Carney was going to play, that he was going to win. He was going to, he was playing
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chess and that he was going to win and that he was going to get something in return.
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Junos called it, right? From the beginning. This is back in March, March 28th. We put out a mini
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documentary about Carney and the many, many lies he told. And the headline here, Eurasia Group
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President admits that Mark Carney will quietly fold to the Americans after the election. So yes,
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we dug up a blog post written by Ian Bremmer, the head of the Eurasia Group. For those who don't know,
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Eurasia Group is this sort of shadowy cabal consulting group led by Ian Bremmer. He employs
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Daryl Butts, Justin Trudeau's former advisor and best friend. He employs Mark Carney's wife.
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Also, he employs Evan Solomon, who is a liberal MP. They all work for this group. Ian Bremmer wrote,
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I expect Ottawa will quietly fold shortly after the vote to ensure ongoing relations with the U.S.
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remain functional. Okay? So they said the quiet part out loud. They spilled the beans. They told us
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in the beginning that it was all a lie. It wasn't real. It wasn't true. There was no such thing as
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elbows up. We're going to quietly fold to the Americans once the election is over. Well, here we
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are. End of summer. Quiet news days. Not a lot of people are paying attention to what's happening.
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And Friday afternoon, lo and behold, quietly fold. Carney quietly folded, just as Juneau News
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predicted, just as Juneau News reported, just as Ian Bremmer told us seven months ago that this
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was going to happen. And it happened. Folks, again, the idea that retaliatory tariffs are gone
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isn't a bad thing. It's actually a good thing. I don't want Canadians paying these taxes. It's just
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that we were duped. The legacy media and the Liberal Party work hand in glove, as they always do,
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to promote pure propaganda. And Canadians are worse for it. Well, the Juneau News audience
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knows better. So we did a poll over the weekend, elbows up or elbows down. We asked our readers
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whether they agree with Mark Carney's decision to drop the retaliatory tariffs. 15% said, yes,
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it was a good idea to drop the tariffs on the United States. 8% said, no, we should keep those
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tariffs. I guess that's the elbows up crowd. And 77%, so the overwhelming majority of you agree
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with me on this one, that it was a good move, but Mark Carney is still a hypocrite. All right,
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folks, happy to introduce today's guest, Wyatt Claypool, who is a political commentator and
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founder of the National Telegraph. Always great to have you on the program. Wyatt, welcome. What
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did you make of Mark Carney's Friday afternoon surprise? Well, it wasn't as surprising to me
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just because we've actually seen this play out twice now. He got in on the elbows up agenda,
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as you've been talking about. And then he went a little softer when he came to the Oval Office and
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talked with Donald Trump face to face, which you would assume would be the time you would drop your
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own retaliatory tariffs and then you'd want to make a deal. And we didn't. And then right after we had
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that meeting, like a couple of weeks later, we had the digital services tax issue where we tried to
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implement what was effectively a new tariff on U.S. big tech companies that obviously caused the
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American negotiators to walk away from the table because even the Biden administration had been
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telling us not to do that. We had to rescind that to get them to come back to the table. And then we
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failed to negotiate. Like the readouts from people like Howard Lutnick and President Trump himself,
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when they were talking about the negotiations with Canada, it sounded like we were just in the room and
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saying, hey, we're like PB&J, we are better together. And that's basically our negotiating
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standpoint that we should just get along. We didn't put anything on the table. We didn't even
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make any demands or threats. We made we did nothing because even when Trump was asked, he said,
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what negotiations? We're not talking about anything. And and then now what we're doing,
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and this is why somehow Carney keeps triangulating himself, the worst position on every issue.
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He's now gotten rid of the retaliatory tariffs just to get back to the table. We keep having
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to make concessions just to make come back to the table. So it's the worst way of having to give
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something up. It's not even to get something done. It's just for paying the price of admission.
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Well, it's just it's pure posturing, right? Like even the digital sales tax, again, it's this idea
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that, oh, make the big American companies pay. It's like, no, those are going to be taxes on Canadians.
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It'll be Canadians paying those taxes for the services that they use in Canada, like Netflix.
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Right. And and the whole idea behind these tariffs was an election slogan. Like it's not like it's a
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smart group of negotiators thinking purely in regard to how do we reindustrialize Canada? How do we create
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more working class and middle class jobs? How do we reinvigorate our economy? It's basically, well,
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we have to win an election. And so how can we reverse engineer everything into a political war?
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We'll use the media. We'll create this narrative. We'll push pure propaganda. And as long as we win
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the election, we're happy they win the election. And now they just have to basically walk it all
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back. I liked how Polyev mentioned that it took a month to get Trump on the phone. Right. So it's like
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to your point that there's no negotiations. Right. Like Dominic LeBlanc went to Washington,
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D.C. and I don't know who he met with. Maybe he met with the, you know, the Canadian ambassador
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or something. But like there was no one there to meet him. They were all in Europe negotiating their
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own different agreements. So it shows you what a low priority Canada is. What do you think?
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Well, and the thing that we ended up having to with the entire, with the phone call, it was reported
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before Carney came out and said, we're going to pull off their retaliatory tariffs. This wasn't a
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scheduled call. It wasn't something that both sides wanted. We effectively had to beg our way into
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getting a phone call with them. And again, we, we, all we really did was again, get back to the
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negotiating table. And you're right about Europe. Trump and the American negotiators have actually
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been getting really good deals where they are having guaranteed like buys of American products
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that the Europeans and you know, the United Kingdom are going to buy American oil and gas products
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to the tune of like 780 billion over the next few years. And what Canada has been doing is we show up
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to Europe and we just vaguely make deals about how we should maybe try and trade more. So at the start
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of this trade situation, this crisis, what happened is that like our exports to the United States have
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dropped 12%, but our exports to Europe or to elsewhere have only gone up 14%. But considering
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that, that other, that, that non-US trade only represented 20% of our exports means that we've
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only done ourselves damage through this. And it shows you're in a toxic political environment.
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When during an election, people are voting for elbows up when it has nothing to do with their
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own material wellbeing, has nothing to do with people who are not doing so well as material
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wellbeing. It's helping literally nobody, but you get to feel good when you put your ballot in the
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ballot box saying that you're sticking it to Donald Trump, who frankly is running the more powerful
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economy. And we're not going to be able to trip them up before we end up going down in flames.
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Well, and it's so ironic, right? Why? Because the reason that Trump is saying complimentary
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things about Mark Carney is because Mark Carney is groveling and kissing up and kissing the ring.
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Like he's, he's going out of his way to say really, really, really nice things about Donald Trump.
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And yet he got elected because Canadians really, really, really don't like Donald Trump. Right.
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And so here he is capitulating and flattering him and saying that he's a transitional leader and he's
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this great thinker and all this stuff, even though his liberal base, they literally voted for the
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exact opposite of it. Okay. I want to get to another liberal lie, which is that we're going to cap our
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immigration and change course. Oh, well, the numbers came out and it's something totally different.
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unsmoke.ca to learn more about this campaign. Okay. So, Wyatt, we learned on Monday that the liberal
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immigration numbers are worse than you thought. So remember last year when Justin Trudeau kind of
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admitted that they totally overshot, that the temporary foreign program was out of control. He said that
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there were corporations taking advantage of loopholes and that they were going to cap the program. So they
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announced these caps. Well, the numbers came out. They proposed a cap of 82,000 on temporary foreign
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workers. In the first six months of this year, they've issued 105. Okay. You cap it at 82. You
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issue 105 in the first six months. That's not really a cap. Same with the International Mobility Program.
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It was supposed to be capped at 285 and they've already let in 302,000 people in the first six months
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of 2025. So Pierre Polyev rightly called out the liberals for overshooting their own immigration
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targets. What an absolute mess, right? Like they can't even, they can't even cap immigration numbers,
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right? What do you think, Wyatt? Well, and they're trying to be sneaky by instead of just
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only bringing more people in, they're also giving out generous amounts of visa extensions
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so that you may have come in as a temporary foreign worker three or four years ago and you're supposed to
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leave. But now you get to be here for six years. And now I would consider that to be a new temporary
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foreign worker because the point of the program is temporary, that you are going to be here for a
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few years. You make some money, you fill in the gap in the economy, and then you go home. We're not even
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using the TFW program to fill in gaps in the economy. We're basically just taking away jobs from young
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Canadians. But regardless, you were supposed to do that for a bit and then leave. But now it's going to be
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perpetual foreign worker programs where you will never actually have to leave the country because
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there is always another renewal around the corner. Well, and I mean, so the thing that the
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Conservatives point out, rightly so, like they sound really good on immigration lately. I wish they
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took this hard-noted approach during the election campaign. But they basically wrote in their release
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yesterday that Mark Carney promised to fix immigration, but he's made it worse. He supports
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liberal, out of control, liberal immigration policies that have delivered a triple header crisis
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in housing, health care, and youth unemployment, right? And so it's like these things aren't going
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to just fix themselves. When you have millions and millions of people who have just come to the country
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and there's nowhere to house them and our health care queues are already of control. We did an episode
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last week with Colin Craig, who has an excellent documentary about how we could potentially fix
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Canada's system by looking at what Japan does. And then you also have this youth unemployment
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number. It almost seems the Liberals have given up on these three issues. They don't even care
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anymore. And I think that the housing one is really tricky to fix. But the youth unemployment
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one, it's like the numbers are really bad. Young Canadians aren't working. They haven't been this
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high, that youth unemployment rate hasn't been this high since the 90s. And I never hear Liberals
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talking about. I don't think it's a priority at all. What do you think? Well, the Liberals have
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kind of put themselves in a bit of between a rock and a hard place when it comes to their base that
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they're relying on for votes. This is also why they don't really want to solve the housing crisis,
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because frankly, the base of the Liberal Party is usually more upper middle class, usually a little
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bit older. And so you have a base full of people who already own their own homes, who live in the
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nicer part of town, who don't actually care about crime as much because, well, they don't live in
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that area. And then with the TFW issue with immigration in general, the thing is that the
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Liberals rely on a lot of votes where they have big businesses who want the TFW program in order to
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basically, you know, sustain their company with lower wage workers, as well as they tend to do really
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well, where there is a lot of immigration lawyers and scammers. And this becomes a part of the economy
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with fake universities and, you know, fake front groups in order to be able to, you know, generate
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the effectively what is becoming a human smuggling business. But the Liberals have staked out a very
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kind of weak coalition. And it's good that the Conservatives are actually not just saying we need
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it lower because that was the you're right. The Conservatives had a very weak position in the last
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election. If the Liberals are saying 400,000 and you're saying 250,000, strictly having one less
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than what the Liberals are doing is better than the Liberals. But it has to be much better to solve
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the problem, because if we are driving towards a cliff at 100 kilometers an hour, I don't care if
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we're just ratcheting the speed back to 60. I'd rather reverse the car. And that's what Polyev is doing
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Well, it's interesting because those issues, right, housing, health care and youth unemployment,
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they're all economic issues. Right. And then Conservatives like to stay in the economic
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lane because it's easier. But there's also a huge kind of elephant in the room when it comes to
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immigration, which is social cohesion and integration. And it's just not happening. And so
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there's a lot of sort of siloing off of immigrant groups. Like you drive around Toronto and it's like,
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you know, one pocket will be like super waspy and kind of like Canada, like was probably in the 1970s
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and 80s. And then you drive across one major intersection. And all of a sudden you feel
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like you're in like in India or in China or in Korea, like it's very, very siloed and balkanized.
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And there are a lot of social issues that come from that. Interestingly, the Conservatives are starting
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to talk a little bit about the crime aspect that comes along with immigration. They sent out a news
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released just five minutes ago. Immigration status is not a get out of jail free card. And so
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they're talking about the justice system and that story of a non-citizen who got convicted of a
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violent assault. But then basically the judge let them off so that they wouldn't get, they let them
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off with a lighter penalty so that they wouldn't get deported. It's all kind of tied together in this
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mess that the Liberals have created. What do you think, Wyatt?
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Well, frankly, I don't think the judge had to be too worried. Even if they threw the book at them,
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I don't think that the Canadian government would be competent enough to actually deport them.
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There are potentially hundreds of thousands of people who have overstayed visas who are now in
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Canada illegally, and we don't get rid of them either. But that is a great move. The thing is that
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the Conservatives' path to winning an election really is being tough on immigration,
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being tough on crime, and then substantially lowering taxes. Not like the last election, not
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again, reducing taxes under $50,000, a little more than the Liberals, like a big tax cut that
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allows people to actually imagine how their lives would be substantially better once you implemented
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it. But on this crime and justice issue, it just ends up touching on so many areas of Canadian life
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when it goes into both the cultural aspect that we're, for some reason, almost allowing certain
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communities to be more criminal, that it's going to then soak into that particular community if
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people just have the idea that you get a lighter sentence. It's what happens in the United Kingdom
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with Pakistani gangs, is that it basically creates its own culture that you can do whatever you want
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if you're a Pakistani man, because the, you know, the law won't actually come after you.
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Well, yeah, we've created a two-tier justice system where Canadians are the ones that get
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the harsher sentences and the harsher penalties and treatments. It's unbelievable. Well, some good news,
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Wyatt, which is that the Conservatives have retaken the lead according to the latest Abacus data polling.
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Abacus is one of the best, if not the best, pollsters in the country, and according to a newly released poll,
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shows that Pierre Polyev has taken a slim lead over the Liberals, 41 to 39. If you look at the graph of
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committed vote intention, this is so, this is so disappointing and so sad, Wyatt. But you can see
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how the Conservatives had the lead in the polls going back to 2024. And, you know, their lead ranged
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anywhere from 41% up to 47%, I think, at the height. And then right around the time that the election
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campaign started, Mark Carney was swapped in, the propaganda media did their thing. And for,
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oh, I don't know, a couple of months here, you had Conservatives and Liberals neck and neck.
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And then now you finally have the Conservatives retaking and the Libs down to 39. It's so unbelievable.
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But it seems like perhaps Canadians are getting a reality call that really the biggest issue in the
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country isn't President Trump. It's actually cost of living and crime and all these other things that
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we've been talking about. What do you think? Well, the Liberals started off after the election.
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Naturally, governments tend to poll better right after they're elected, because if you ask people,
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who do you think should be in office right now? They're gonna be like, well, I guess the guys who
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just won should be the ones in office. That's why I actually preferred prime minister polling
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does not really work this soon after an election, because like, you're like, who do you want to be the
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prime minister? Like, well, I might be a Conservative, but I'd hope the person who won the most seats is
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going to be the prime minister. But what we what this has been the result of the Conservatives now
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leading the Liberals by two points is just a cavalcade of Liberal policy failures of just stupid
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imagistic problems, you know, recognizing a Palestinian terror state, the DST climb down on
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the digital services tax. You have the Eric and the fiasco. And by the way, this poll was actually
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conducted started being conducted a couple days before the Eric and the fiasco. So the window of the
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poll didn't even fully capture how mad a lot of, you know, NDP Liberal switch voters got at them,
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and how a lot of people are probably going to go back to the NDP. But the I think that Carney has
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just had so many small to medium sized blunders that it's that for a lot of people who were willing
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to give them a chance, they're now pulling back. They may not even be voting Conservative,
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because the Conservatives in Abacus's last poll were at 40 and now they're at 41, whereas the Liberals
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were at 43 and now they're at 39. So we've had a five point swing. Most of the swing seems to have
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just gone with a bunch of people becoming undecided, not really knowing what they think about Carney
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anymore. Interesting. And you can see back to the graph here is just that the NDP has still plummeted
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and have like there's no there's no dead cat bounce here. Like they are down and they're staying down.
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I know they don't have a leader, but I find it hard to even imagine the prospect of a strong NDP right
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now because the left is just so lost, right? They're like out in the wilderness. The issues
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that they prioritize are so different than the ones that take that prioritize for Canadians. I want to
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talk about the issues. So Abacus asked Canadians who they trust most on the issues. This is really
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interesting. Healthcare majority or plurality, I should say, Conservative. So 30% Conservative,
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28% Liberal. Rising cost of Liberal, rising cost of living, thanks to the Liberals. 39% say Conservative,
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only 27% for the Liberals. Housing affordability, Conservatives went on that issue. Crime and public
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safety, obviously 61% say Conservatives on that one. The economy, Conservatives as well dominate
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for 45%. Interestingly, climate change, the Libs still have the advantage there, but I hate to break
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it to you. No one really cares about climate change right now. That's sort of a luxury issue. And when you
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can't afford anything and people are breaking into your house, you don't have the luxury to care about
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a hypothetical, theoretical change in the climate. The threat posed by Russia and China, Liberals still
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hold the lead on that issue. Inequality and poverty, people who put that first still go to the NDP.
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Indigenous reconciliation, Liberals went on that issue. But immigration, Chinese election interference,
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and job security and unemployment Conservatives went on all of that. The only other issue that the
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Liberals still went on, again, is Donald Trump and his administration. I don't know why, because as we
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talked about off the top, that was all nonsense. But there is something very key about the Donald
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Trump answer in this poll. If you go back to June 29th, that Abacus data poll, and this was still not
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its highest watermark, but we had 48% of Canadians putting that in their top three issues. And in not
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that long of a time, it's now dropped down to 38%. So we've had it dropped by 8% over just two months.
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And so what we're probably going to end up seeing by the time the fall session ends up hitting,
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especially as sort of the trade issue develops, that Carney is signaling that Trump is not a threat
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to him, and actually our deal with the United States is the best in the world. And so what we're
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going to have is that the Liberals' biggest issue is going to start falling down the ranks, because
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there was the polling on who do you trust more on it, and then there's also how many people care.
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And right now, the top issues that people care about are all the ones that end up favoring the
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Conservatives. There is, you know, the cost of living, and then there's Trump, and then there's
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the economy, and then there is, you know, crime. Healthcare is kind of a bit of a split issue between
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the Liberals and the NDP. But as you go down, it takes a while for you to find a second issue for
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the Liberals after Donald Trump, and they can't play that card again. They've already played it,
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and now they've said that actually it's great to work with the United States. Exactly. They've totally
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caved, and we should have known better because we were saying so all along. Wyatt Claypool,
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thanks so much for joining us. I always appreciate your time and your insights.
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All right, folks. That's a lot of time we have for today. We'll be back again tomorrow with all
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the news. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you, and God bless.