Juno News - Mark Carney gets BOOED at Grey Cup

00:00:00.000 Well, the Marc Cardi Communications team has scrambled to release a promotional video showing

00:00:10.120 the Prime Minister flipping a coin at the Grey Cup. It's in stark contrast to what actually

00:00:15.900 happened on the weekend. Prime Minister Cardi got booed multiple times during the opening

00:00:21.400 ceremony of the 112th Grey Cup game in Winnipeg.

00:00:24.900 Joining the team captains is the Prime Minister of Canada,

00:00:29.000 Le Premier Ministre du Canada, Marc Cardi, and the CEO of Coinbase Canada, Lucas Matheson.

00:00:36.800 Well, he got booed during the coin toss and then again during the national anthem when

00:00:45.080 the camera was focused on him. Most of the legacy media downplayed the crowd's negative

00:00:51.020 reaction, but City News had this headline. Prime Minister Cardi was met with booing and

00:00:57.320 expletive-filled shouting from some football fans at the 112th Grey Cup game. As video clips

00:01:05.760 spread showing Cardi getting a rough ride by the crowd, the PM's communications team pushed

00:01:10.940 out this video replacing the booze with music. No booze heard in that video. Is it an indicator

00:01:28.240 that Canadians have soured on Kearney and maybe even regret their decision to elect him Prime

00:01:33.660 Minister? Well, former Liberal MP Dan McTague will be joining us shortly with his take. A critical

00:01:39.880 budget vote today. The Globe and Mail is reporting the Liberals head into final confidence vote

00:01:46.880 on federal budget, expecting a narrow win. The paper is also reporting that two New Democrat

00:01:52.880 MPs intend to abstain in order to allow the budget to pass. That would be pretty much in keeping

00:01:58.540 with the NDP repeatedly propping up the Liberals during the Trudeau administration. But Liberal

00:02:04.880 MP Mark Garrison says the Liberals are ready to go to the polls if the vote fails to pass.

00:02:10.880 Are you prepared for an election if that's where we end up? We're always ready for an election. The Liberal

00:02:16.480 Party has been ready for an election since the last one. We don't want one. We also don't think that

00:02:22.880 Canadians want a Christmas election. But we will certainly be prepared. We are always ready to go.

00:02:29.280 And if it comes to that, then we will proceed to an election. Well, the Liberals have already

00:02:34.240 survived two confidence votes on the budget. The final one expected this evening. Meantime,

00:02:39.680 parliamentary budget watchdog Jason Jacques says the Liberals have quietly ditched

00:02:45.120 one of the guardrails that helped limit government overspending. Let's listen.

00:02:49.760 The Prime Minister himself said one of the three fiscal anchors for this government was a declining debt to

00:02:55.200 GDP ratio. Don't believe me. Look it up in Hansard. All of a sudden in the budget, that anchor that we've

00:03:01.840 had for 30 years, the most important fiscal anchor is gone without any discussion whatsoever. And now

00:03:08.400 we're in new territory where potentially we're going to be borrowing substantially more money the next time

00:03:14.320 the next time that there's an economic shock. And it's not for me to judge that. It is for me to

00:03:18.800 point out that nobody has had a meaningful discussion around that. Earlier this month, bond rating

00:03:23.360 agency Fitch warned Canada its credit rating might be at risk due to its deficit now running at $78.3 billion.

00:03:32.160 I'm now joined by Dan McTig, good friend of the radio show as well as the podcast. And Dan joins us.

00:03:39.040 He was, of course, a longtime member of parliament, liberal member of parliament throughout the 1990s,

00:03:45.840 80s, 90s, and loves to comment now on the state of things in the country. Welcome, Dan.

00:03:50.480 Mark, good to be here. Yeah. And 2000s, right? 2011. So yeah, I've been around for a while.

00:03:57.440 Yeah. 18 years covers a long stretch of time. I want to start off asking you about the booing

00:04:03.600 that greeted Mark Carney in Winnipeg during the opening ceremonies of the Grey Cup. We're already seeing

00:04:14.480 a move by the Carney communications team to put out a video showing him in a much more favorable light,

00:04:21.120 you know, flipping the coin, you know, some slow-mo, some loud music. But I think that they're trying to

00:04:26.960 cover the fact that he got booed multiple times because it wasn't just during the coin flip. It was

00:04:32.480 also during the singing of the national anthem. I mean, to what degree does this signal, if at all,

00:04:39.760 that people are souring on this guy? Well, it's trying to prevent the rolling stone, isn't it? I

00:04:44.480 mean, the point is that, you know, they are going to try to put as much effort in making a silk purse

00:04:51.440 out of a sow's ear as they can, and in the process, try to defend, you know, the dear leader at all costs,

00:04:59.440 because if there's a perception that he's not popular, somehow they can, you know, provide and play on

00:05:04.960 the ignorance of Canadians to think that this guy's investing since sliced bread. Eight months on,

00:05:10.080 I think it's pretty clear he's got some issues, mostly that he over commits and under delivers.

00:05:15.520 And for that reason, I think most people are starting to tire of his nonsense. He likes to

00:05:20.000 provide a resume, but the only resume we have up to now is, you know, what he's done in England,

00:05:24.880 and of course, what he's done here in Canada, massive debts, more inflation, more people visiting

00:05:30.080 food banks, and the situation continued to degenerate. While at the same time, the very

00:05:34.560 reason he was elected to stand up to Donald Trump, not working out very well though, is it?

00:05:39.360 Not at all. And of course, our trade relations with that country have gone downhill. He promised

00:05:46.240 there would be a deal done by July the 21st, I think was the deadline that was set by the Liberals

00:05:53.600 during the election campaign. That came and went, and here we are, basically no deal. And

00:06:00.320 a lot of questions about our future relationship with that country as the CUSBA agreement, the USMCA

00:06:08.080 deadline comes around and discussions around a possible review of that and reservations on the

00:06:13.760 part of the president of the United States saying he doesn't even know if he wants that deal. He

00:06:19.360 doesn't want to do any trilateral deals, just want to do bilateral deals. But yeah, I'm wondering if

00:06:25.840 this is an indicator that people were expecting something different from Mark Carney when he got

00:06:31.840 in. I think that's one reason why he got elected. This wasn't a politician. He came from outside.

00:06:38.720 You know, he wasn't part of the Canadian political machinery. And so maybe people were expecting

00:06:46.400 something that they didn't get, despite warnings that, you know, this is just more of the same type

00:06:50.880 of policies that we had under Justin Trudeau. And now people are realizing it too late. That's exactly

00:06:57.120 what we're getting. It's just more of the same, you know, including of course, our budget issues,

00:07:02.400 you know, a $78 billion deficit. That is not good. What do you think?

00:07:07.680 Well, it's easy to operate and pretend you operate a business and, you know, you go around telling

00:07:13.280 people you balanced the budget in 1997 and you prevented Canada from going to recession in 2008,

00:07:19.280 all of which is baloney, which he of course had tried to put out as if he accomplished these things.

00:07:25.360 And of course, I was there. I know it's baloney. But you know, there comes a point where people

00:07:30.720 start to have to realize that this guy isn't, you know, made up, all that is made up to what he had

00:07:37.120 promised to be and that he is falling significantly short. And he has his defenders. I mean, there's

00:07:43.120 people out there who just hate conservatives and don't want the alternative. I hear a lot of these

00:07:47.280 people getting mad at, you know, Pierre Paglia. He's not, he's mean. He's not nice. You know,

00:07:51.920 Pierre Trudeau wasn't nice. He told people like it was. They didn't like it for that reason.

00:07:56.800 Pierre Paglia is as blunt. And Carney has no experience in governments or the mechanism of

00:08:02.960 governments. He does need to have a penchant for twisting accounting. Kind of reminds me of Enron

00:08:09.520 2000 2.0 and where we engage in massive creative financing, which I think the parliamentary budget

00:08:15.840 officer before Carney Trudeau is to take pictures and show he's in a great position, wants to fire

00:08:22.400 this guy and replace him with someone that they can control. But at the end of all of this,

00:08:27.200 the one reality that really hurts the Liberals and hurts their base is that their base is getting

00:08:34.880 poorer. Their base is now heading to food banks. Their base is losing their homes. They can't afford

00:08:39.840 their rent. They probably won't have jobs. And the idea that you can blame all this on Donald Trump

00:08:44.880 is great. But we had bloody problems before January 20th, 2025. A lot of problems. And those problems are

00:08:51.760 now starting to surface. It's convenient that we use Donald Trump, but at the end of the day,

00:08:57.200 it wasn't just Doug Ford, Donald Trump twice endorsed Mark Carney. So Liberals with their elbows

00:09:03.040 up have a lot in common with Donald Trump. You were both on the same side.

00:09:07.280 Yeah. And of course the big budget boat coming down today and talk that there's a possibility,

00:09:16.560 albeit a very slim one, that it might not pass. In which case, I guess we would

00:09:21.680 be plunged into a Christmas election. The Liberals say, you know, Canadians don't want one. I tend to

00:09:28.240 maybe agree with that. I think if there was an election announced that if the government fell,

00:09:34.160 I think a lot of people would be upset. But I don't know who would bear the brunt,

00:09:37.840 who would take the blame for that. I mean, would the Liberals, would the Conservatives for voting

00:09:43.440 against the budget? You know, what do you think?

00:09:46.000 Well, there's a lot fewer people today who are happy and enthusiastic with the Liberals

00:09:50.480 and there were back in April. One, because they've lost their jobs, their homes might be lost,

00:09:54.480 their kids can't find work where they're leaving for other countries. And they realize that the

00:10:00.320 Liberals have 10 years to really mess up the economy in the way our generation of Liberals never did.

00:10:05.200 We tried to improve it as best as we could. But it's kind of strange, you know, even if you had an

00:10:10.720 election, and I think it's highly unlikely, the NDP is going to do what it normally does,

00:10:13.920 you know, duck and run, as they had under Jagmeet Singh. The NDP has to make a decision whether or

00:10:21.200 not they want to merge with the Liberal Party and join the extremism that that party has embraced as

00:10:27.280 part of its own, or maybe show some sign of pushing back. I doubt this will happen and have a leader,

00:10:35.200 let alone any money. But, you know, what could happen here, what should happen here,

00:10:39.760 is something that has been tried by my party back in 2008. You remember 2009, Mark? My leader then,

00:10:47.360 Stefan Dien, thought it'd be a great idea to sit down, should accept of the Bloc Qubik West

00:10:52.000 Separatist Party and the NDP and form a coalition government. And the Governor General doesn't have

00:10:56.880 to accept, if after there is a defeat, and I think it's improbable, of the budget, doesn't have to accept

00:11:03.920 Mark Carney's resignation without willing to form a government with someone else who might have that

00:11:08.800 ability. Then we'll see what the NDP is really about. Is it about ducking this? Or is it about

00:11:12.960 saying, no, we just don't like the Conservatives? At which point, I come back to my original point,

00:11:17.760 the NDP and Liberals should put an end to the shenanigans, you know? Get a room. You've been in

00:11:22.720 bed together for the past decade or so. Just join, for God's sake. You're joined at the hip to begin with.

00:11:28.160 There's nothing that distinguishes you except the bloody name itself.

00:11:31.280 Well, if you look at the NDP and what's left of them, I mean, they're not even a party right now. And you

00:11:38.320 would have thought that they would have learned their lesson last time, which is, you know,

00:11:42.000 you throw in with the Liberals and people start thinking, well, why am I wasting my vote on the

00:11:48.160 NDP? I might as well be voting Liberal because, you know, the NDP votes with the Liberals anyway.

00:11:54.080 Well, that's what they did last time, eh? That's what they did in April. NDP voters voted Liberal.

00:11:59.840 And just in 2011, the same Liberals could vote NDP. These are, you know,

00:12:04.000 these are people who switch positions very easily. We call this kind of political harlotry

00:12:10.320 for what it is. It's, you know, you know, it's, it's basically why are you maintaining

00:12:15.760 the pretense of being different when there's absolutely nothing different between a new

00:12:19.520 Democrat and a Liberal. They are so far to the left now, Mark, from my time, my God,

00:12:24.640 I'd have to have the Hubble telescope to try to find them on the far left of the spectrum.

00:12:28.320 Yeah. We thought we were getting a moderate with China. This is one of the things that they sold

00:12:33.840 early on. You remember when they came in, well, Trudeau's gone, so the party won't be so far left.

00:12:40.720 But really under Carney, what's changed? I mean, it's the same type of policies. I mean,

00:12:46.320 you look at the amount of spending, for instance, you know, anybody expecting that the, that Carney

00:12:51.840 would be a fiscal moderate or a lot more prudent in terms of limiting the size of the deficit,

00:12:58.800 none of that has happened. That's why I think people are becoming disenchanted. And so an election

00:13:05.360 now, I, I think, I think, yeah, I think the Liberals think, well, if I have, if it happens now,

00:13:11.920 the other guys are going to be punished. You know, this is going to be, go after the Tories, you know,

00:13:16.400 cut into their seats, block, you know, because they're the ones who opposed the budget and we didn't

00:13:23.280 want an election, but we'll blame them. But I'm not so sure about this. I mean,

00:13:27.520 weird things can happen. They've had eight months to look at this guy, Mark Carney,

00:13:33.040 and I'm not sure that they're impressed. You know, I think they're unhappy. And part of that,

00:13:37.440 I think was borne out in the reaction at the great cup, you know?

00:13:41.840 Well, I can hardly wait until 40,000 lose their jobs, or at least get attrition. Or we, again,

00:13:48.240 see these major cutbacks. The country is broke. Folks, I go back to 1982. Pierre Elliott Trudeau,

00:13:55.520 the cupboards are bare. We are in dire straits. What's true in 82 is true today. And for the same

00:14:00.960 reasons. We were irresponsible. We were reckless. We were virtue signaling. We had these all

00:14:06.400 silly aspirational goals. And Mark Carney is no different than Justin Trudeau. He's just a little

00:14:11.600 more careless when it comes to the direction he wants to take, because he thinks that we can

00:14:16.080 somehow change our trade relationship with the United States, because he doesn't like what's

00:14:20.880 there, because we're being called on things that I think, frankly, we should have been called on a

00:14:24.880 long time ago. Supply management to begin with. Maybe some of the, you know, the rather questionable

00:14:31.680 accounting that goes on with St Prince's stumpage fees. I can get, you know, buy my, get all of what

00:14:38.000 I want from Crown land for 50 cents an acre. Come on. You know, the Americans have to pay full price

00:14:42.640 for these things. We live in a world in which reality is going to start to become very, very painful.

00:14:49.280 And Canadians who've wished away the idea that somehow we could become a lot stronger did so

00:14:56.480 by saying, we don't want pipelines. We don't want to have strong manufacturing. We don't want to have

00:15:01.520 people investing in Canada. We want to chase them away. It takes 141 pennies to buy US dollar today.

00:15:06.960 Imagine that's doing the cost of food and energy. So I can say these things until the cows come home

00:15:12.480 with bulls on their back, as the expression goes. But I can tell you this, Canadians, you are not in

00:15:18.160 a position to giddily go along with, oh, he has, you know, he has the resume or, you know, I don't

00:15:23.040 like Donald Trump. You can't afford that anymore. You have to now acknowledge something's gone terribly

00:15:27.360 wrong with your country and it's going to affect you personally and your family and your children

00:15:32.560 and your grandchildren. That's the cost of Canadians playing this. I don't like Pierre because he's mean.

00:15:38.880 I say that because that's exactly what I saw at the door. Several doors in the last election said,

00:15:44.480 I've been a Liberal MP for 18 years. Part of that in cabinet. I'm not voting Liberal. Why the hell are you?

00:15:49.920 And they started looking at you with this sort of dumb blank stare. Well, you know what? There's a cost

00:15:54.480 for being silly and not strategic in how you vote. If there's another election, maybe we'll get a few

00:15:59.280 smarter people. At least we'll even know one thing. We have a hell lot more coming to the polls, assuming they

00:16:04.800 can get to the polls without address and without food in their stomach. And that's unfair and it's

00:16:09.920 unacceptable for a country like Canada. Well, we saw the underwhelming list of projects. Many of them

00:16:16.400 were already previously announced, you know, of national significance. And I guess there's another

00:16:22.880 list coming up, but no pipelines listed on that, which makes you wonder, I mean, how is it going to cut a

00:16:29.680 deal with Alberta? Now we've got the burgeoning independence movement in that province. I'm not

00:16:35.360 saying it's the majority of people in Alberta, but a lot of people are getting more and more upset.

00:16:41.760 I mean, you've been a keen observer of the energy sector and energy prices in Canada. How is that

00:16:48.080 going to factor in politically in the days ahead? I mean, it's getting more costly eating your home in

00:16:55.040 the wintertime. Just another layer of bureaucracy to tell you what you can and can't do. Another

00:17:00.080 reason why the rest of the world is saying, I'm going to take a pass on Canada. And for those who

00:17:04.560 think it's no big deal, when you pass up a trillion dollars in investment and energy and economic

00:17:09.920 activity, you pass up your standard of living, you pass up the standard of living of your children and

00:17:15.360 that of your grandchildren. And I can't be more emphatic. Canadians have literally dropped their

00:17:20.240 drawers and crapped on their future by saying we could simply spend it all today. Money has no

00:17:25.280 consequences. We can borrow until we're blue in the face. The reality is very, very stark for Canadians.

00:17:31.680 You played the game, you messed around, and now you're going to find out.

00:17:36.560 This from Premier Ford. It's in the best interest of the country to make sure we pass this budget.

00:17:43.680 It doesn't matter what political stripe you're from.

00:17:50.080 Look, Doug Ford should just be running for the provincial Liberals. I mean, I've known him since

00:17:54.160 he was a baby, since he was a child. We were neighbors together. This is unbelievable. Has Doug

00:17:59.760 got some kind of a, you know, death wish that he wants to be back? Because I can tell you one thing.

00:18:03.760 I know some of his folks around thought he could become the leader of the Conservative Party

00:18:06.640 nationally. Good bloody luck with that. I mean, you know, if anything, Trump and Ford have something in

00:18:13.040 common, they both love carny. God knows why. But I can tell you, Mr. Ford wasn't too happy when he

00:18:18.160 lost billions of dollars of your public money and mine here in the province of Ontario backing

00:18:22.480 electric vehicles that have now gone bankrupt. I'm talking bank, you know, bright drop. And of course,

00:18:27.040 there's others in Brampton. And now he's pretending that this EV thing in battery making in St. Thomas is

00:18:34.320 somehow going to get out there. I think Doug's problem is that he backed the wrong horse and he can't

00:18:40.560 bring himself to saying, I really messed up here. At the same time, your energy costs and my hydro costs

00:18:47.040 are going through the roof. And by the way, we may not see it on our bills. Where we're seeing it is on

00:18:52.240 public debt. Every year, thanks to Doug Ford basically aping the Wynn McGinty Green Energy Plan,

00:19:02.800 you're adding 10 billion bucks to the debt in the province of Ontario each and every year. 10 billion.

00:19:09.360 Now that may be nothing, but I want to remind folks out there in Ontario, that's a thousand

00:19:14.480 million dollars being put on debt. Imagine the cost of servicing that. What's Ontario's debt? Well,

00:19:19.680 I can tell you it's not great. And now that you've destroyed and laid waste to the internal combustion

00:19:25.280 engine, the automotive sector, and you want to pretend you can subsidize your way into making electric

00:19:30.320 vehicles, good night to the automotive sector. That's probably why Doug Ford thinks Carnie is such a

00:19:34.560 great idea. Maybe Doug Ford should be spending a lot more time asking Mark Carnie to bring back

00:19:39.520 Brookfield into Toronto rather than sending it to the United States to make Donald Trump happy.

00:19:43.760 If that's good enough for Doug Ford, I'm not sure if he should be really backing Mark Carnie's budget,

00:19:49.360 but in fact, should be applauding Donald Trump for pulling away another Canadian business from Canada.

00:19:54.320 I don't recall him dumping his shares of Brookfield assets down the drain.

00:19:58.320 Yeah. I mean, they should be thanking Trump because he's given them an excuse, somebody to blame for

00:20:05.440 all the problems in the country. I mean, that's...

00:20:07.520 Yeah. No, it's a sad state of affairs, but it's the last time I've thought a conservative worked that

00:20:12.880 hard to get a liberal elected or retained. It didn't work out so well for them, but I mean,

00:20:18.240 I got to tell you, there's a lot of provincial conservatives who have to be hugely disappointed.

00:20:22.800 Maybe the liberals will get someone more back to the center to run as leader and take away those votes,

00:20:27.680 because I know there's a lineup of people who want to take Doug Ford, line them up on the 30-yard line,

00:20:35.600 Dan McTague, thank you so much for coming on the show. Powerful stuff as always.

00:20:39.600 Good to be here, Mark. Thanks for having me.

00:20:42.320 And that is it for this edition of Straight Up. Appreciate you tuning in, my friends.

00:20:45.520 Let's do it again real soon, shall we? Bye-bye for now.

Juno News - November 17, 2025

Mark Carney gets BOOED at Grey Cup

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