Juno News - Mark Carney LOST the election last night

00:00:00.000 Mark Carney has three passports, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, a globalist with options.

00:00:10.640 He hasn't seen Canada in a decade, calls himself a European, not a Canadian.

00:00:19.520 Told U.S. Congress last year, he's a Brit, he's back to lord over you.

00:00:27.380 Canada's not his home, it's his throne.

00:00:35.220 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and this is the Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:38.400 So it is Good Friday, folks, and I wouldn't normally do a show today.

00:00:42.000 But because we had that debate last night, we had to cover it, we had to do a reaction show.

00:00:46.840 So we are going to talk about the debate, how it played out.

00:00:50.040 I think Pierre Polyev had the strongest night of his campaign so far.

00:00:54.620 We're going to talk about whether or not it mattered.

00:00:55.800 And then, yes, we will get to the shenanigans, the complete and utter breakdown of the legacy

00:01:02.020 media, of the debates commission, cancelling the scrum to try to stop, I think, try to stop

00:01:07.800 Kian Bextie from asking another devastating question of Mark Carney or maybe trying to

00:01:12.680 stop Alex Zoltan from doing the same.

00:01:14.480 So we're going to get to all of that today.

00:01:15.840 I'm very pleased to be joined by a great new guest.

00:01:18.920 I've never had him on the show today, but I'm quite excited.

00:01:20.980 His name is Wyatt Claypool.

00:01:22.440 He's a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph.

00:01:26.160 He has a YouTube channel.

00:01:27.320 His videos are so insightful.

00:01:28.700 He's a very smart person.

00:01:30.220 So very pleased to have him on the show.

00:01:32.060 Wyatt, thank you for joining us today.

00:01:34.760 Absolutely.

00:01:35.500 I would want to be doing nothing else but analyzing the debate for the next 24 hours, even if it

00:01:40.820 is Good Friday, because I don't know.

00:01:42.940 I'd live for it.

00:01:43.540 I'd crawl the walls if I tried to do anything else.

00:01:45.700 Well, I feel that way, too, although I am trying to give my children like a religious 0.99

00:01:51.480 education.

00:01:52.300 And I think Good Friday is supposed to be the most somber day of our Christian year.

00:01:56.520 And so I try to use this day to teach them and obviously to go to church and all that

00:02:00.580 kind of thing.

00:02:01.320 But I just I couldn't not record a show today, just given what happened last night.

00:02:05.500 And I do think it will have an impact on the election.

00:02:08.180 I think that Pierre Polyev may have saved his campaign last night.

00:02:11.300 I think he may have won the election.

00:02:12.880 I don't want to be too overconfident because this tends to happen with conservative commentators.

00:02:17.760 Myself, I do lean conservative.

00:02:19.140 I do lean to the right.

00:02:19.960 I don't always vote conservative, but I will be this time.

00:02:22.880 I think Pierre Polyev absolutely knocked it out of the park.

00:02:26.160 That was the strongest that I have seen him.

00:02:28.280 I don't think that he's run a perfect campaign.

00:02:30.620 I don't think he's run.

00:02:31.140 I'm not one of those people that say, like, he's run a flawless campaign.

00:02:33.940 I think he has made some errors and mistakes.

00:02:35.740 I won't dwell on them now.

00:02:36.640 I'll talk about them after the campaign ends.

00:02:39.420 But last night, I think he redeemed himself.

00:02:41.420 I think that he came out swinging.

00:02:44.540 He looked confident.

00:02:45.580 He looked poised.

00:02:46.600 He looked prime ministerial.

00:02:48.240 And he did what he needed to do.

00:02:50.220 I'm curious, what were your takeaways and what were your thoughts on the debate, Wyatt?

00:02:54.340 Well, first off, it actually did confirm something I had said about the French debate the previous

00:02:59.740 night that Polyev, I gave him, if we're giving letter grades, I gave him a B- in the French debate.

00:03:05.980 He didn't come off abrasive like the media tries to paint him.

00:03:08.820 So he would have just, you know, proven people wrong in Quebec that he's this abrasive Trump-like figure.

00:03:14.660 He had some good answers, had a couple good jabs, but it wasn't brilliant.

00:03:17.880 And I thought he was saving himself for the English debate.

00:03:21.420 Why telegraph a bunch of your best attacks in French that Marc Carney and the liberal

00:03:25.620 crew can then write up good answers for, for the, frankly, the real debate?

00:03:30.300 Because the conservatives don't have that much to gain.

00:03:32.500 They don't have that many seats.

00:03:34.080 They could win in Quebec.

00:03:35.380 They can really just hold on to their incumbents and maybe grab up on a Montreal suburb or Mount

00:03:40.920 Royal, and that's pretty much it.

00:03:42.700 This debate, Pierre Polyev may be, may want to lock up murderers for the rest of their lives,

00:03:49.200 but he committed a murder on stage of Marc Carney.

00:03:52.300 And I'm not trying to be like a cheerleader here.

00:03:55.920 I gave him a B- the previous night.

00:03:58.860 To this night, he basically did everything he needed to do.

00:04:02.880 He would wallop Carney and then he'd go back to looking right down the barrel of the camera

00:04:08.180 and then turn into positive Pierre and that I have a positive vision for the country and

00:04:13.540 this is how we fix our problems.

00:04:14.720 It was very well handled.

00:04:17.040 I know some people are even saying he should have gone more aggressive.

00:04:19.880 No, he was perfect with his amount of aggression because he needed to snake it always back into

00:04:25.340 I have a positive vision so that he doesn't play into the unfair media narrative again that

00:04:31.840 he is an abrasive, pugilistic, Trump-like figure who you cannot vote for if you believe in Canadian

00:04:38.640 values or whatever.

00:04:40.300 You know, I agree because I think that painting, what the liberal plan was, what the strategy

00:04:44.600 was, was to paint Pierre Polyev as mini Trump, as Canada Trump.

00:04:49.060 And from a fair-minded view of a fair-minded Canadian watching that debate, there was just

00:04:54.560 no comparison.

00:04:55.500 Like, you cannot watch Pierre Polyev and see any comparison to Trump.

00:05:00.100 And I think that that line of argument was just absolutely eviscerated last night.

00:05:03.660 Like, they didn't even try, right?

00:05:05.040 Like, you could see that Polyev's strategy, especially towards the end, was to try to tie

00:05:09.720 Mark Carney to Justin Trudeau and try to say this is just a continuation of Trudeau's government.

00:05:14.780 He was an advisor.

00:05:15.920 He was there.

00:05:16.960 And this is a fourth liberal term.

00:05:19.020 That was the comparison that really stuck and really stood out.

00:05:22.240 I didn't even hear them trying to compare him to Trump.

00:05:25.020 I feel like the Trump angle of this election has become moot.

00:05:29.400 It's no longer relevant.

00:05:30.880 It's no longer the driving issue of the campaign.

00:05:34.020 It was hardly even really the focus of the debate last night.

00:05:37.300 I thought that the liberals and the NDP were going to really go hard on President Trump.

00:05:42.680 We saw that a bit more in the French debate.

00:05:44.460 But you could see after two hours on stage, the focus of the debate, as it rightly should

00:05:49.160 have been, and I give the moderator, Steve Pakin, a great deal of credit for this, it

00:05:53.160 was on life in Canada, on the issues of the day-to-day issues for everyday Canadians, cost

00:05:58.260 of living, housing, crime, even immigration.

00:06:01.040 Those are the important issues of our country.

00:06:03.220 And that was the focus.

00:06:04.480 And so any kind of line of argument to say that the conservatives are like Trump, it just

00:06:09.280 didn't work and it fell flat.

00:06:10.560 So, Wyatt, I want to show, we put together a little montage of what I thought were the

00:06:15.900 highlights of the debate.

00:06:16.660 It's a bit on the longer side, it's three and a half minutes, but we are going to see

00:06:20.640 the highs and the lows.

00:06:23.000 I would say that most of the lows were around Jagmeet Singh and his annoying habit of just

00:06:27.940 interrupting everybody nonstop.

00:06:29.920 But I also, I think from this montage, you can see how Polyev was shining his confidence.

00:06:35.420 And you can see Mark Carney was just sort of flat, sort of stale, boring, dry.

00:06:40.440 I don't know if they were trying to make him come across as just like a boring person,

00:06:44.880 like you want the Prime Minister to be boring, especially after nine years of Justin Trudeau.

00:06:49.900 But I think that that is another takeaway.

00:06:51.920 So let's play this clip.

00:06:53.640 And if at any point you want to pause it, just let us know and we will pause it and talk

00:06:59.100 about it.

00:06:59.420 So let's play that clip.

00:07:00.860 You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau.

00:07:04.840 Now, the point is to show that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau.

00:07:08.780 The no-new development law, C-69, guarantees there will not be a one-stop shop because

00:07:14.420 it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project.

00:07:21.320 Have no regulation.

00:07:22.140 Have one-stop shop over any energy development.

00:07:25.340 Mr. Trudeau, let's just let him finish his sentence.

00:07:28.320 Multiple levels of referrals.

00:07:29.800 It takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country.

00:07:36.460 In the entire G7, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.

00:07:41.960 Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas exports by 50% in

00:07:48.060 this country, that is an asset of the people of Canada.

00:07:52.760 We own it.

00:07:53.780 Keystone is not owned by Canada.

00:07:56.080 That's an American pipeline.

00:07:57.020 And the question of what to do is, so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, it's actually

00:08:01.380 an asset of Canada.

00:08:02.060 Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal,

00:08:08.000 writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.

00:08:11.480 How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal

00:08:18.100 government?

00:08:18.160 I think that was the moment in the debate where Mark Carney direct permanently.

00:08:23.380 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.

00:08:25.960 Look, I do my own talking points.

00:08:29.000 Thank you very much.

00:08:29.780 You say you are a great negotiator.

00:08:32.440 What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?

00:08:38.420 You have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies if

00:08:44.240 you want people to believe you.

00:08:46.120 Since you've had the opportunity to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused,

00:08:51.340 why?

00:08:53.100 Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.

00:08:58.660 I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.

00:09:02.160 But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security

00:09:07.380 clearance briefings that I would be gagged under the security law and I could be prosecuted

00:09:13.720 if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.

00:09:17.760 Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China,

00:09:25.400 in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.

00:09:32.060 And that was not something I would be allowed to do.

00:09:34.800 Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition,

00:09:41.000 he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government

00:09:46.140 was attempting to impose on me.

00:09:48.120 And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely.

00:09:51.880 At all my rallies, even when they're really big, I would stand in front of a flag

00:09:55.600 and greet every single person and hear their stories and learn their struggles.

00:10:02.940 And that was always touching to me, that they would put their faith in me or in any of us.

00:10:08.360 But we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event,

00:10:11.200 so we haven't been able to stop and do that.

00:10:13.460 And I want you to know out there, I haven't forgotten about you.

00:10:17.780 So those were, I thought, the key moments of the debate.

00:10:21.340 Wyatt, what did you think?

00:10:22.240 Well, even then, we have to be pretty selective with what we play

00:10:25.820 because you could just, frankly, watch every single response Pierre Polyev had,

00:10:29.980 especially when directed at Mark Carney, and it could be considered a highlight.

00:10:34.740 Mark Carney there, and I really, really liked Polyev's attack on him

00:10:39.260 for all of the liberal staffers who are just holdovers from Justin Trudeau to him,

00:10:44.200 that Mark Carney literally does not have a different government than Justin Trudeau

00:10:48.640 in any way, shape, or form, even the people that are writing scripts for him.

00:10:52.240 Are the exact same.

00:10:53.580 That was the moment, I think, that Mark Carney's debate basically wrecked hard permanently.

00:10:59.460 Even in that clip, if people go back and they listen to it,

00:11:02.440 you can literally hear Yves-Francois Blanchet saying,

00:11:05.040 oh, oh, ouch, that's bad.

00:11:07.620 Because he's on hot mic reacting to how, like, just nasty of an attack that is.

00:11:13.140 And again, every time Mark Carney would start getting attacked by Pierre Polyev, 0.88

00:11:17.060 he would just look like such a sourpuss for the next couple of minutes. 0.57

00:11:20.540 Like, he'd start gripping the podium really hard, looking down at his notes, 0.96

00:11:24.560 or just looking forward like he's some disappointed lizard.

00:11:27.420 It was just, the optics were bad.

00:11:30.700 Mark Carney's answers did not give any confidence to the soft liberal supporters

00:11:35.140 that the liberal party is currently relying on.

00:11:37.580 Now, I think many of the pollsters have a problem oversampling urban liberal areas,

00:11:42.800 but even when you pull liberal supporters and conservative supporters

00:11:46.420 on how likely they are to show up and vote for their chosen party,

00:11:50.740 conservatives are at, like, an 80% rating for confidence,

00:11:54.060 whereas liberals only had around 63%, 65% saying they're definitely voting liberal.

00:11:59.220 There is a large chunk of liberals who, watching that debate,

00:12:03.400 they may have, you know, had things confirmed about Mark Carney

00:12:07.980 that were making them not super confident to show up,

00:12:10.560 and now they might not at all.

00:12:12.520 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:12:13.980 Like, I sometimes do wonder, like, how much of an impact do these debates really have?

00:12:17.660 We were talking about this before we went to air,

00:12:19.560 that I think the debates were scheduled way too late in the election cycle.

00:12:23.420 I think that we're talking about the final week here,

00:12:25.660 we're going into the long weekend, the Easter long weekend,

00:12:27.660 and I'm not sure how much these debates will really move the needle.

00:12:31.720 I think it would have been more helpful to have the debates at the beginning of the campaign

00:12:35.400 so people could see the clips, they could think about it,

00:12:38.180 it could inform their decision early on before they've really set their mind in stone.

00:12:42.820 But your point about how, you know, conservatives are reliable voters

00:12:47.440 and the people who vote conservative are really fired up about it,

00:12:50.420 and I think that Pierre Polyev represents certainly the best candidate

00:12:53.840 that the conservatives have had in the last decade.

00:12:56.060 You could even argue that he is more conservative than Stephen Harper.

00:13:01.020 And I think that there is a lot of excitement around him,

00:13:04.120 whereas Mark Carney, it's hard to get excited about him.

00:13:06.700 He comes across as just very out of touch and very flat.

00:13:11.640 Like, I really thought he was low energy last night, he was boring,

00:13:14.900 he just didn't really have the fire in his belly that Pierre Polyev had.

00:13:20.000 I have been hearing from people around the GTA that have been campaigning for the conservatives

00:13:25.260 saying that it's rough out there, like that when you go door knocking,

00:13:29.360 a lot of, it seems like a lot of people in and around, especially the 905, 0.98

00:13:33.000 are going to be voting based on the Trump tariff issue.

00:13:37.900 That didn't really seem to be the central issue of the debate last night.

00:13:41.020 To me, it seems like that moment is over, that the news cycles have moved on,

00:13:46.580 and that Trump is not front and center in the campaign anymore.

00:13:49.560 As much as Mark Carney tries to make it, like, I don't know if you noticed this last night, Wyatt,

00:13:54.460 but Mark Carney used the word crisis about 100 times.

00:13:57.840 Like, everything was a crisis.

00:13:59.460 It was the tariff crisis, the climate crisis.

00:14:01.920 Fundamentally, we need to catalyze this crisis in Canada.

00:14:06.300 Right, and it's like, that was like the one thing that he was coached on,

00:14:09.600 like, just keep using the word crisis.

00:14:11.080 When Canadians are in fear, when they're nervous, when they're afraid,

00:14:14.640 that's when they're going to vote liberal.

00:14:16.140 And so that was like his one thing that he kept going back to.

00:14:19.520 But it just didn't seem to work.

00:14:21.340 I don't think it broke through last night.

00:14:23.200 I think that there is a cost of living crisis in Canada,

00:14:26.400 and I think that that can very plainly be drawn to the liberals.

00:14:30.200 And so I guess I just want to know, like, do you think that this debate will have an impact?

00:14:35.440 Will it move the needle?

00:14:36.300 And was it enough?

00:14:38.000 It definitely will, because people, when they think about did this debate matter,

00:14:42.620 they're wondering if it's going to be kind of a cavalry charge moment

00:14:46.260 where the conservatives go from being at 39% in the polls,

00:14:50.520 they overtake the liberals, and they hit 52.

00:14:53.640 Elections aren't won like that.

00:14:55.680 The conservatives need, in my estimation,

00:14:57.820 if they can beat the liberals in the popular vote by a point and a half or so,

00:15:01.380 they have a minority government.

00:15:02.980 The conservative vote over the past four years has actually become more efficient than it used to be,

00:15:07.780 because it used to be a very regional party,

00:15:10.380 where in Alberta you would win rural ridings by Saddam Hussein numbers,

00:15:14.780 you get 89% of the vote.

00:15:16.460 But in the GTA, you're dropping ridings,

00:15:18.920 and you're only getting, you know, 25%,

00:15:21.100 and the liberals are able to pull out 35% victories over you.

00:15:25.000 I think that in this election,

00:15:27.540 the liberals have actually gained vote in places like Saskatchewan and Alberta,

00:15:32.160 especially with, you know, not to stereotype,

00:15:34.900 but with older boomer voters who watch a lot of legacy media

00:15:37.720 and don't like Donald Trump very much.

00:15:39.700 But the liberals are also gaining a lot of votes in places that they just don't need it

00:15:43.500 or it's not useful to them.

00:15:44.840 They're gaining votes in Montreal.

00:15:46.760 Cool, Montreal was already the reddest place on the planet.

00:15:49.360 And then you go to Saskatchewan and when, yeah, the liberals have gained votes

00:15:54.280 and maybe they have a chance at one riding.

00:15:56.720 Whereas the conservatives, their gains that they've made

00:15:59.260 have mostly been in working class neighborhoods all around the country.

00:16:03.520 So the conservatives could potentially, obviously, lose this election

00:16:07.320 or they could win big, winning Hamilton ridings

00:16:10.260 they never thought they were going to get,

00:16:11.580 winning the southwest of Ontario, sweeping it,

00:16:14.360 winning actually ridings in the Ottawa area.

00:16:18.420 I've been door-knocking in the Ottawa area

00:16:20.440 and there was a chance to win Nepean.

00:16:22.560 There's absolutely a chance to win Kanata.

00:16:25.060 I was in a few polls in Kanata yesterday

00:16:27.040 and I would say the sign ratio between the conservative candidate Greg Kung

00:16:31.780 and the liberal Jenna Suds is like two to one or three to one. 1.00

00:16:36.760 Wow, that's interesting.

00:16:37.920 One thing I heard you say on your YouTube channel, Wyatt,

00:16:41.160 was that you thought that from these debates,

00:16:43.840 and particularly the French one,

00:16:45.780 that you saw what could potentially be two different coalitions forming,

00:16:50.720 something along the lines of, you know,

00:16:52.360 Jagmeet Singh is obviously there for the liberals

00:16:55.200 and that's his purpose.

00:16:56.420 I don't know that he'll win his seat.

00:16:57.400 I kind of think his career is finished.

00:16:59.540 But that you potentially saw that Blanchet and Pierre Polyev

00:17:03.080 could form a minority coalition government together.

00:17:07.180 Did I get that right?

00:17:07.980 Is that what you said?

00:17:08.880 And tell us about that.

00:17:09.860 Yeah, so the reason why the Bloc Québécois and the conservatives

00:17:13.680 would go well together almost has nothing to do with ideology.

00:17:17.740 On many issues, the Bloc are to the left of both the liberals and the NDP.

00:17:22.140 They're anti-nuclear energy.

00:17:24.040 They're quite to the left when it comes to issues around business taxes

00:17:28.480 and equalization and whatnot.

00:17:30.480 A very pro-equity type party.

00:17:32.780 The way that they define Quebec culture tends to be very left.

00:17:36.020 At the same time, the problem is the Bloc Québécois' long-term survival

00:17:40.840 as a party relies on the liberals basically being defeated.

00:17:45.520 If the Bloc Québécois just upholds the liberals again,

00:17:48.620 they'll run into the same problems that Jagmeet Singh and the NDP currently have

00:17:52.600 where what's the point of voting for you if I can get the same thing

00:17:55.680 by just voting for the liberals?

00:17:57.040 And they usually have a better chance of winning the election anyways.

00:18:00.040 So the Bloc need to effectively box the liberals into the Montreal area

00:18:05.400 and hold on to all those semi-rural suburban ridings in the Montreal kind of donut.

00:18:11.980 If they don't, well, the Bloc are going to be back in the woods 0.94

00:18:15.520 like they were in 2011 with Gilles Duceppe.

00:18:19.320 Interesting. Yeah, that is interesting.

00:18:20.980 And I can see that there is more overlap when it comes to the policy issues,

00:18:25.560 particularly around immigration.

00:18:27.140 I saw that there was, like, both Yves Blanchett and Pierre Polyev

00:18:32.540 were hitting Mark Carney on the Century Initiative stuff.

00:18:35.120 We heard that in both debates.

00:18:36.380 And I think that there could be some commonalities there.

00:18:39.380 It would be interesting if Polyev formed a minority government

00:18:41.680 and actually teamed up with the Bloc.

00:18:43.680 I think that that might, you know, blow up some minds on the prairies

00:18:48.020 to try to understand that coalition, but it might be interesting.

00:18:50.640 Okay, let's move to the...

00:18:52.140 It's an old social credit alliance.

00:18:55.480 Yeah, I can see that.

00:18:56.500 Okay, let's move to the juicy stuff that happened at the debate last night.

00:19:01.720 So this is all just a total sideshow. 0.57

00:19:03.880 It is so ridiculous, but it's really telling. 0.77

00:19:05.880 And so, as folks know, after the French debate, 0.89

00:19:09.060 our own Kian Bexty and Alex Sultan managed to get at the front of the line,

00:19:13.960 and they asked two of the four questions to Prime Minister Mark Carney.

00:19:17.360 Their questions were good.

00:19:18.920 They were tough but fair.

00:19:19.840 And wow, did those clips of those questions ever go viral, overtook the Internet.

00:19:24.700 And what we saw was basically a huge reaction from the legacy media.

00:19:29.280 They did not like it.

00:19:30.580 They were not happy.

00:19:31.420 They could feel their monopoly over the news and what they think to be arbiters of the truth.

00:19:36.580 They could feel that slipping away.

00:19:37.920 And so what you saw during the day yesterday before the debate was the CBC basically trying to lobby to have us removed from the debates.

00:19:46.840 Here is David Cochran on his show with the debates commissioner basically complaining and saying,

00:19:53.120 how could you let non-government-approved, basically, journalists get out there and ask these questions.

00:20:00.360 I actually thought the debates commissioner did quite a good job here defending press freedom in Canada.

00:20:05.980 Kind of wild that you have a CBC interview like this.

00:20:09.360 But anyway, let's play this clip.

00:20:10.680 Will they be able to do what they did?

00:20:12.220 Like, you know, Rebel News got as many questions as I think CBC, Radio Canada, Press Canadian, and CTV or Global combined last night.

00:20:18.560 There were almost 50% of the questions.

00:20:20.960 And some of them ventured into territory that really are not issues in this election campaign, were not issues in that debate.

00:20:26.860 And I'm not saying reporters should be restricted in terms of what they ask.

00:20:29.920 But, you know, if the debate commission is going to organize these things, it didn't seem to have control on it last night, sir.

00:20:37.440 Well, we're learning from what happened last night.

00:20:40.480 And you'll see, hopefully, a fair representation tonight.

00:20:45.100 But didn't the same thing happen in 2021?

00:20:47.460 Like, I remember vividly at the museum in Gatineau.

00:20:50.960 That the same sort of thing happened with people stacking the microphones and the questions is going in a totally different direction.

00:20:57.420 Well, there's only so much we can do to control free speech, you know.

00:21:00.380 I understand that.

00:21:01.180 You understand that?

00:21:02.100 But, you know, lifeguards got to look after the pool, right?

00:21:04.200 And, you know, the debate commission was set up for this.

00:21:06.820 And people are now calling for it to be completely scrapped because of what we saw last night.

00:21:11.220 I just wonder if you think there's a loss of public trust in the function of this organization.

00:21:17.040 I think the public will judge us on the debates themselves.

00:21:21.220 Yeah, okay.

00:21:22.500 So you could see that they were setting it up to say that these people shouldn't be here.

00:21:25.900 And we knew, I knew, I predicted this, that they were going to try to pull something.

00:21:28.980 I thought that they were going to try to remove our credentials or something that we'd have to go to a federal court.

00:21:32.840 Again, like we did in 2019.

00:21:33.880 The reason that True North, Juneau News, and the Rebel are allowed in the first place is because we sued and we won.

00:21:39.520 The federal court ruled in our favor.

00:21:40.840 So, anyway, let's fast forward to the event itself.

00:21:44.340 And so the journalists are all in a room.

00:21:46.300 They're watching the debate on a screen.

00:21:48.720 And they're sort of getting ready for their part when they get to scrum the leaders afterwards.

00:21:53.200 And what unfolded was just pure chaos.

00:21:55.700 Like, I was doing a live broadcast, so I couldn't really pay attention to this stuff.

00:21:59.020 I just kept getting these clips being sent in by our reporters.

00:22:01.740 Like, you guys won't believe it.

00:22:02.780 This guy's having a temper tantrum.

00:22:04.400 Here we have, this is a bit on the longer time.

00:22:06.480 This is a reporter from the Hill Times.

00:22:08.340 And he's just not happy with Kian Bextie.

00:22:12.000 He overheard Kian talking about the question that he was going to ask to Mark Carney tonight.

00:22:16.320 He took major issue with that, defending a liberal candidate who had said some really awful things on social media that Kian was able to get a hold of.

00:22:25.280 Anyway, then the Hill Times reporter turns his ear at Ezra LeVance, was yelling.

00:22:30.800 Ezra, this is sort of just like unhinged behavior behind the scenes.

00:22:33.980 So let's play that clip, please.

00:22:35.600 I have respect for the industry and the profession.

00:22:38.340 Sure you do, yeah.

00:22:39.220 Your little chattering class.

00:22:41.180 Sure.

00:22:41.540 You third-party advertisers that you work for.

00:22:44.060 Who are you?

00:22:44.700 Who do you work for?

00:22:46.020 Rebel News.

00:22:47.080 Who do you work for?

00:22:48.060 Rebel News, owned by Ezra LeVance, is a different company.

00:22:51.580 Why are you screaming?

00:22:53.080 So they can stop spreading misinformation.

00:22:55.000 Um, so...

00:22:57.560 Also, come on, right now.

00:22:59.320 Why are you screaming, by the way?

00:23:01.020 Well, I want to make sure the guys filming it over there get the good audio.

00:23:05.080 Good.

00:23:05.300 Do you hear me okay?

00:23:07.360 Am I enunciating properly?

00:23:11.280 Do you have one set up?

00:23:12.860 You got the levels ready for me?

00:23:14.760 Because you're clearly not doing any actual journalism while you're here.

00:23:17.500 You're supposed to maintain respectful discourse.

00:23:20.300 It's right here in black and white.

00:23:21.420 Why, when you guys started gaming the rules and threatening to sue because you didn't get

00:23:25.300 your way, I assumed the rules were out the window.

00:23:27.760 He has third-party advertising trucks driving around this venue right now.

00:23:33.460 You're lying again.

00:23:33.480 That's not a Rebel News ad on there.

00:23:35.560 You're lying.

00:23:36.320 Why are you lying?

00:23:37.380 It's owned by Rebel.

00:23:37.940 It's owned by you.

00:23:39.320 Oh, sorry.

00:23:40.180 Sorry.

00:23:40.440 The truck is for Canada, which is owned by you.

00:23:43.920 No, you're lying again.

00:23:44.300 You're lying again.

00:23:44.320 Which is separate from Rebel News, which is also owned by you. 1.00

00:23:48.040 You're crazy. 0.99

00:23:49.500 You've got to control your emotions. 0.99

00:23:51.600 So, you know, basically, it was just chaos back there.

00:23:57.420 You know, it was a quiet room.

00:23:58.280 Everyone's trying to listen to debate.

00:23:59.600 And this one reporter is just yelling at Kian, yelling at Ezra, can't really control his

00:24:04.920 emotions, saying, well, you guys game the system, and therefore, I don't have to follow

00:24:09.420 the rules anymore.

00:24:10.260 And so I'm not sure why, if it was that kind of escalation of emotions, or it was just simply

00:24:16.900 because of the questions that we asked last night.

00:24:18.740 But shortly after that exchange that we just showed, the debates commissioner came out

00:24:24.000 in front of the journalists and announced that, yes, the rumors are true.

00:24:27.940 The scrum has been canceled.

00:24:29.720 Let's play that clip.

00:24:30.940 I'm Michel Camus, the executive director of the Leaders of this Commission.

00:24:35.580 And I'm sorry to announce that there will be no scrum tonight.

00:24:39.600 It will be loose because we don't feel that we can actually guarantee a proper environment

00:24:45.480 for this activity.

00:24:47.000 Hello, come here.

00:24:47.640 And so they would rather cancel the entire scrum than have to worry about the question that

00:25:16.260 Alex Sultan and Kian Bexty may ask and may get to Mark Carney.

00:25:20.700 I see this as entirely the old guard protecting themselves, right?

00:25:24.900 They didn't want to be outshined again.

00:25:26.420 They didn't want to be embarrassed again by having independent journalists ask better

00:25:30.700 questions, ask more interesting questions, and really dominate.

00:25:34.600 And I think that what happened after the French debate was that independent media showed,

00:25:38.800 we proved that we are here to stay.

00:25:42.400 We're not going anywhere.

00:25:43.220 Our questions are interesting.

00:25:44.720 Our clips got way more views than anything else.

00:25:47.980 I think that our clips probably eclipsed the number of views of the entire French debate.

00:25:52.600 They couldn't let that happen again.

00:25:54.280 They couldn't allow the legacy media to lose their grip.

00:25:57.540 And they couldn't allow Mark Carney to be humiliated once again by a question.

00:26:01.380 So they just had to eliminate the entire thing.

00:26:04.100 What did you make of all of that, Wyatt?

00:26:05.440 Well, it was a vote of non-confidence in Mark Carney's debate performance.

00:26:10.400 If it was just the fact that they didn't like your guys' questions about Mark Carney

00:26:14.440 did pretty well in the debate, I think they would have let him proceed to the Q&A.

00:26:17.920 It was the combination of the fact that they hate your guys' guts and Mark Carney just 0.95

00:26:22.560 looked pathetic on stage that they couldn't have the humiliation continue both for Mark Carney 0.99

00:26:28.580 and the legacy media being boxed out by the independent media. 0.96

00:26:31.540 And I like how they're pretending like you're gaming the system by, you know, showing up,

00:26:36.340 being on time, standing in line at the microphones.

00:26:40.100 They could do that same thing to you guys.

00:26:42.320 There's like 150 of them in the room and there's about, you know, 15 independent media people.

00:26:48.800 What makes it so difficult for them to do what you guys are doing?

00:26:52.760 The thing is that they don't like that the independent media has invaded the Friends Club.

00:26:58.220 Because the Friends Club, oh, you can take a question, then I'll take a question. 0.98

00:27:01.200 How about we both, like, ask Jagmeet Singh about the same stupid thing about climate change? 0.98

00:27:06.040 Everyone thinks it's, so, like, these people would think it's clownish that Alex Sultan got 0.99

00:27:10.700 up there and asked his question about gender.

00:27:14.340 But it's a good question.

00:27:15.900 It seems, oh, it's not on the topic of the debate.

00:27:18.440 Yeah.

00:27:19.160 But it's something that people like Mark Carney have been dodging for years.

00:27:23.100 He sent his daughter to the Tavistock Institute.

00:27:25.520 It bears asking the question if he actually lives in material reality when it comes to

00:27:31.040 gender.

00:27:32.460 Well, and the fact that they asked Pierre Polyev, like, in January, a reporter for CP24 asked

00:27:38.140 Pierre Polyev if he thought there were two genders, right?

00:27:40.180 And last year, in February, after Danielle Smith announced her ban on these life-altering

00:27:46.260 medications and surgeries, sex change surgeries for children, they asked Pierre Polyev.

00:27:50.740 They scrummed him.

00:27:51.440 Every member of what you call the Friends Club were pressing him, rightfully so.

00:27:56.580 It's their job as journalists, trying to find out where he stood on this issue.

00:28:00.380 But they refused to do that for Mark Carney.

00:28:02.540 They refused to.

00:28:03.200 So we have to do the job that they refused to do.

00:28:05.720 And so, again, like, they believe that we are right-wing.

00:28:10.340 You know, the talking points that have come out from the media today is that we are right-wing

00:28:16.460 agitators and that we are conservative and that we have an agenda and that we're trying

00:28:20.440 to raise money.

00:28:21.660 But the reality is that we're simply doing the job that they refuse to do.

00:28:25.040 We are like the mirror image of the legacy media.

00:28:27.660 They come out with bad faith questions against Pierre Polyev all the time.

00:28:30.800 I don't believe our questions were bad faith.

00:28:32.260 I think that they were genuine.

00:28:33.600 But the way that they see us is the same way that millions of Canadians view them.

00:28:37.660 And they can't cope with that.

00:28:39.380 They can't deal with it.

00:28:40.260 So the shenanigans continued because outside of the event, well, first of all, we had a

00:28:46.920 Liberal staffer assaulting David Menzies of the Rebel on Camera.

00:28:51.220 I'm going to play that clip.

00:28:51.940 You can see very clearly that he knocks the camera out of the journalist's hand and he

00:28:58.240 knocks another camera out.

00:28:59.960 Let's play that clip and I'll get your reaction.

00:29:01.680 So he did it twice.

00:29:24.440 Look, that is not the attitude of a winning campaign.

00:29:27.520 Like, if you were feeling good about your candidate, that was Mark Carney's media person

00:29:31.480 there, Terry Gillong.

00:29:34.460 And to me, he was raging out of control.

00:29:36.700 He hit David Menzies quite clearly twice there on that tape.

00:29:41.140 That's not a confident campaign manager.

00:29:43.560 That's not a campaign that is winning.

00:29:46.140 Those people are flailing out of control because they know they're losing their grip on the

00:29:49.660 narrative, on the media, and they know that their candidate had a very bad night.

00:29:52.920 And it only had to do with Mark Carney having a bad night that he was acting like that because

00:29:58.120 if he had a good night and the Q&A got canceled, hey, it's Mark Carney's birthday because he

00:30:02.420 wants to have a good debate and not be asked any questions about it afterwards unless it's

00:30:06.780 from, like, you know, Katie Simpson or somebody like Stuart Benson from The Hill Times.

00:30:11.720 So he was only raging because of the bad debate performance.

00:30:16.140 And it's like, hey, guys, number one rule of politics, don't make, don't show what you're

00:30:20.980 thinking, like, through your emotions.

00:30:22.900 Do not do that because it can be very easy to exploit it.

00:30:25.680 The conservatives are going to just keep drilling on these debate clips.

00:30:29.380 They're probably going to turn them into advertisements, as they should.

00:30:32.660 There are so many people who don't actually watch the debate live like we were talking

00:30:36.640 about before, but they consume them through clips.

00:30:39.120 So when we see abacus data coming out and saying that, like, 47% of people who watched the

00:30:44.700 whole debate thought Polly have won, fantastic. 1.00

00:30:47.420 That means if you can get more people to watch the debate clips, they'll eventually come to

00:30:52.180 the same conclusion, which it's pretty difficult to get people to agree that the conservative

00:30:56.600 won a debate because since Canada has so many lefty parties, there's a lot of other people

00:31:01.840 who might as well, oh, the Jagme Singh won, or I think Carney won because I'm voting for

00:31:05.220 him.

00:31:05.760 You can get nearly 50% of people to say he won.

00:31:08.600 That's pretty big.

00:31:09.860 I completely agree.

00:31:11.000 And even the CBC had to admit that the conservatives and Pierre Polyev won the debate.

00:31:17.000 Here is a clip of the Ad Issues panel where Andrew Coyne admits that Pierre Polyev had a

00:31:22.340 great night.

00:31:23.480 I think Pierre Polyev had made some yards.

00:31:25.160 I think he had a good night.

00:31:26.480 He looked focused.

00:31:27.420 He was confident.

00:31:28.220 He was fluent.

00:31:29.040 He presented his case well.

00:31:30.180 He was not just a critic, but also outlining his own plan.

00:31:34.100 So I think by the normal standards of how you judge these debates, I think he had a good

00:31:37.500 night.

00:31:37.700 And I do agree with Andrew that Pierre Polyev had a good night.

00:31:41.040 His goal was to sound more prime ministerial and look less like an attack dog that we've

00:31:45.500 come to know in the House of Commons.

00:31:46.700 And I do think that he succeeded in that.

00:31:49.060 Wow.

00:31:49.860 That feels good.

00:31:51.600 What do you think, Wyatt?

00:31:52.920 Oh, especially coming from Chantal Hubert, who has made it her life's work to never say

00:31:57.820 something nice about Polyev.

00:31:59.740 I remember early on when Polyev had first become the Conservative Party leader, because I have to

00:32:04.160 bring this up.

00:32:04.680 She wrote an article like a month after he became leader.

00:32:07.240 It's like, see, look at his approval polling.

00:32:09.280 He's not very well liked.

00:32:10.540 He's going to be like a terrible conservative leader.

00:32:13.220 They should go back to O'Toole.

00:32:14.380 It's like, tell us you want the Liberals to win.

00:32:17.440 Just tell us.

00:32:18.480 It's just sad.

00:32:20.020 But Andrew Coint, too.

00:32:21.820 He was the main person I saw online yesterday raging about Rebel News and the True North

00:32:27.900 Wire service and Juno News being at the debate.

00:32:31.320 I don't know if Andrew Coint even considers himself a Conservative anymore.

00:32:36.860 The man is somebody who I guess would, he considers himself Conservative because he wants

00:32:40.960 to conserve leftist institutions and orthodoxies.

00:32:44.780 He would be one of the people saying, don't break up the Soviet Union in Russia in the 1990s,

00:32:49.400 because we've had it for a very long time.

00:32:52.800 I think that's probably right.

00:32:54.680 I don't think that, it's interesting because I think people who, like for me, I used to

00:32:59.480 read Andrew Coint when I was in university.

00:33:01.460 And he was one of the people that helped inform my view in becoming a Conservative in the first

00:33:05.460 place.

00:33:05.800 And so I think of him as someone on the political right, which makes me even more disappointed

00:33:11.420 to hear his takes night in and night out.

00:33:13.440 But it's interesting because my young staff, like my staffers who are in their 20s and like

00:33:18.960 the Gen Z cohort, they don't connect him with the right at all. 0.96

00:33:22.580 They just consider him like a hard left Justin Trudeau fanboy in the Globe and Mail and on CBC.

00:33:29.180 And so it's interesting that you've said that he's Conservative because I don't think that

00:33:31.920 people even put him in that category anymore.

00:33:34.660 It's an attitudinal conservatism.

00:33:36.940 It's again that, well, we should preserve our institutions.

00:33:40.220 So if the CBC has been around for a very long time, well, we should keep the CBC funding

00:33:44.920 going on.

00:33:46.020 And I call him what I call some people.

00:33:49.100 He is an aesthetic moderate.

00:33:51.220 He doesn't like supporting people who sound outside of the normal, even if they're entirely

00:33:57.280 right.

00:33:57.660 I know that this actually happens with Donald Trump a lot, where you'll get kind of like

00:34:01.320 the never Trump Republicans in the US who, in fact, actually agree with all of Trump's

00:34:05.880 policies, but they don't like Trump because he's not normal.

00:34:08.740 And I see that with people.

00:34:09.860 They're like, well, if you take a photo of or if you take a video clip of Polly of talking,

00:34:14.380 he seems very rambunctious and populist, and that's not normal.

00:34:17.260 And then you cut to Mark Carney, and he's boring and consistent, which means that he's the

00:34:21.280 conservative choice in the mind of someone like Andrew Coyne.

00:34:24.240 It's interesting that we live in such a strange country where you have leftist conservatives

00:34:29.720 or like basically, yeah, people that if you want to conserve Canada's order, you are a

00:34:35.660 leftist because Canada's institutions and Canada's order.

00:34:39.080 I mean, it's a country, sadly, the last 50 years has been built around like socialism and

00:34:44.460 hard left ideas.

00:34:45.820 And so anyone trying to conserve that is actually on the left. 0.93

00:34:48.320 I think that when it comes to Andrew Coyne, I think Donald Trump broke his brain.

00:34:53.180 And when I just when I see him, when I hear him, I think I think he just like lost his

00:34:58.300 ability to be insightful because he's so angry and full of rage.

00:35:01.640 Even yesterday, like Stephen Taylor, who's a conservative commentator, shared a clip of

00:35:05.660 him.

00:35:05.860 I don't want to play it, but he basically was predicting the death of independent media.

00:35:10.460 He said last night was the nail in the coffin for us.

00:35:13.760 And then Taylor posted that on X and accurately quoted him.

00:35:18.800 And then in the replies, Andrew Coyne was like raging and like accusing Stephen Taylor

00:35:23.740 of working for Ezra.

00:35:25.080 Like, you took my quote out of context.

00:35:27.440 How dare you?

00:35:28.040 Like, anyway, just a very angry, bitter person.

00:35:30.380 And I sort of in some ways feel sorry for him.

00:35:33.200 But I do think that last night, all those shenanigans were all based and rooted in the

00:35:38.140 fact that they are trying to silence us.

00:35:39.800 They could not handle the independent media out there running circles around the legacy

00:35:43.860 media, asking real questions, getting more clicks and more views.

00:35:48.080 And our clips were going viral.

00:35:49.800 And the whole the whole episode was just them like their last gasp, like raging against the

00:35:57.560 changes happening in this country.

00:35:59.020 The fact that the independent media is overtaking the legacy media in terms of relevancy and

00:36:03.780 influence.

00:36:04.280 And that was just them like like losing grip on their power.

00:36:09.620 This will be the last election that the legacy media has an impact in my in my estimation.

00:36:13.740 Well, they were they were upset that they weren't there to spin the spin the debate exclusively.

00:36:18.560 And if the conservatives win, and especially if the legacy media at least starts getting their

00:36:24.400 subsidies reduced, you will see wall to wall columns about how independent media is what

00:36:30.380 has turned Canada into a fascist state or whatever the narrative is going to be exactly.

00:36:35.220 There is going to be independent media hysteria over the next two years about how independent

00:36:39.780 media did all this to us, even as, you know, everything's fantastic, potentially, because

00:36:45.220 we might have lower taxes.

00:36:46.560 These are like the most dour people you've ever met in your lives.

00:36:49.700 Everything could be sunny, warm, birds chirping around them.

00:36:53.020 And they'd be like, how can I survive this hellhole that I'm in right now, because we

00:36:58.240 don't have Rosemary Barton on television 24 seven. 1.00

00:37:02.180 It's so it's so true, although they won't call us independent media, they'll call us extreme

00:37:06.720 media and right wing media.

00:37:08.860 And it is like they live in a different universe.

00:37:10.960 I noticed that outside the debates yesterday, there was a feminist protest group that were 1.00

00:37:15.500 wearing like handmaid's tail gowns, like as if we're going into some kind of like a

00:37:19.720 Christian fascism state, and I'm like, which which party are they referring to?

00:37:23.700 Because last I checked, all like even the conservatives, it's a very moderate centrist

00:37:29.060 party that is left wing on social issues, more or less, especially on abortion.

00:37:33.240 So it was just like so out of touch.

00:37:34.900 It's like, what are they talking about?

00:37:36.580 It's like, are they reacting to the American election?

00:37:38.160 Because, yes, in the U.S., you know, Trump had a hand in overturning Roe versus Wade, which

00:37:43.460 didn't ban abortion.

00:37:44.260 It just put it back to the states.

00:37:45.360 But it's like it does feel like they're living in a fever dream.

00:37:48.960 A lot of people like to live vicariously through American politics.

00:37:54.020 And when something interesting in Canada happens, I think these people get very excited because

00:37:58.820 now I get to LARP as if I'm in a fascist state, even though that's not even what's happening

00:38:04.180 in the U.S. at all.

00:38:05.600 I've never seen a fascist cut the size of government in my life before.

00:38:09.380 But anyways, with many of these people, though, that's why like Polly did such a good job of

00:38:16.540 the debate with the Trump question.

00:38:17.920 He set the tone at the start that, in fact, if you actually deeply fear Donald Trump, you

00:38:24.080 should be voting conservative because I'll make the country less weak and vulnerable to

00:38:28.700 the predations of the Americans.

00:38:30.900 And now I don't think I don't agree that that's what's even going on.

00:38:34.180 I disagree with tariff policies from Trump.

00:38:36.840 At the same time, it's not like he's trying to take over the country.

00:38:39.480 The 50 for state rhetoric is insane.

00:38:41.120 But if that is your top issue, do you want the people in who have been making the economy

00:38:46.200 weaker, per capita incomes going down, who have been making sure that our military has

00:38:51.880 been basically turned into a DEI HR department?

00:38:55.320 Or do you want the people who are going to, you know, cut your taxes and actually, you know,

00:38:59.720 arm up the military if you are deeply afraid that the Americans are going to run over the

00:39:03.940 Montana border to start taking over Alberta?

00:39:06.180 100 percent.

00:39:08.680 Well, I can't wait.

00:39:09.780 I really hope this all happens.

00:39:11.140 I hope that Polyev wins and then the media lose their minds and blame it on independent

00:39:16.060 journalists.

00:39:16.660 I can't wait for that.

00:39:17.680 I'm here for it.

00:39:18.580 And if that if that happens, it's going to be a fantastic two to four years.

00:39:22.960 It's great for SEO.

00:39:26.180 Good.

00:39:26.900 Good for Judo News.

00:39:28.080 So.

00:39:28.500 All right, Wyatt, thanks so much for joining the show.

00:39:30.360 I always appreciate the discussion.

00:39:32.920 And folks, thank you so much for joining us.

00:39:34.760 Have a wonderful and blessed Easter weekend.

00:39:37.180 I hope you have some time to reflect on some gratitude and just, you know, our country is

00:39:44.040 not perfect, but God has given us an amazing world and he's given us his son, which was

00:39:50.960 sacrificed so that we could we could live eternally.

00:39:53.940 So thank you so much for joining the show.

00:39:56.660 We'll be back again with the final week of the campaign next week.

00:40:01.220 I'm Candace Malcolm's Candace Malcolm show.

00:40:02.640 Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - April 18, 2025

Mark Carney LOST the election last night

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