Juno News - Militarized censorship in Europe CELEBRATED by the media (ft. Barbara Kay)

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and welcome to The Candice Malcolm Show. Hope everyone is having a great day so far. We have a wonderful show lined up for you today. Now, usually the focus of our show is on Canadian politics and the Canadian news, and we will get to the Canadian news today.

00:00:23.080 But I want to start the show by focusing on a broader trend that we're seeing around the

00:00:28.340 world, and the epicenter of it is in Europe.

00:00:31.460 And I'm talking about the assault on free speech, this idea that somehow there is hate

00:00:37.520 speech out there, there is misinformation and disinformation, and we need government

00:00:41.520 forces to correct the record, to regulate our speech, and to crack down on ideas and

00:00:47.060 opinions that society or government finds inappropriate.

00:00:50.980 And I think that this all came to a head with a speech that was given by Vice President

00:00:56.640 J.D. Vance at the Munich Security Council.

00:00:59.620 So we're going to walk through the speech.

00:01:01.000 We're going to talk about the reaction, some of the really deranged takes when it comes

00:01:05.060 to cheering and celebrating what's happening in countries like Germany by the legacy media

00:01:10.960 and talk about how it could impact Canada.

00:01:13.660 We're already seeing signs of this sorts of behavior from the Trudeau government, from

00:01:17.840 the liberals in Canada.

00:01:18.740 and it could possibly be a preview of what is to come in our country.

00:01:23.360 And I'm so pleased today, folks, to be joined by Barbara Kay.

00:01:26.840 She's here for the whole show.

00:01:27.940 Barbara is an author and columnist who has written for many publications,

00:01:31.940 but she's a regular columnist in The National Post,

00:01:35.120 and she always has the most interesting and intelligent take 0.64

00:01:40.440 specifically on Canadian culture and values.

00:01:42.780 So I'm really excited to have her on the show.

00:01:44.380 Barbara, thank you for joining us today.

00:01:46.520 Pleasure to be here. Thanks, Candice.

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00:02:06.580 helps us find our audience okay so i want to start with jd vance this happened last friday so he was

00:02:12.580 speaking at the Munich Security Conference in Germany. And he gives a speech, a tremendous

00:02:18.200 speech, I think. He's right sort of in the belly of the beast in Europe, going into sort of

00:02:24.960 their environment, going to one of their conferences. And he says something that I

00:02:30.460 think is entirely true, that there's so much consternation and outrage from the establishment

00:02:37.420 elites over this idea that somehow free speech is dangerous. This idea that Elon Musk having

00:02:43.880 X, taking over Twitter and having X, that there's something wrong with it and somehow it creates a

00:02:48.260 threat to democracy. That when right-wing parties win elections, somehow it's a threat to democracy.

00:02:52.580 So here is a clip, a brief clip of J.D. Vance that was really going viral, talking about how

00:02:58.900 expressing your opinion is not a threat to democracy and it's not election interference.

00:03:03.700 Here's that clip. Expressing opinions isn't election interference. Even when people express

00:03:10.020 views outside your own country, and even when those people are very influential. And trust me,

00:03:16.860 I say this with all humor. If American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg scolding, 0.83

00:03:23.800 you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk. And so, you know, maybe being a little bit

00:03:31.120 provocative there, Barbara, but the idea remains the same. Like I applaud J.D. Vance for going

00:03:36.520 into the environment. This is like kind of like how Javier Mele went to the World Economic Forum

00:03:41.880 and spoke at WAF to tell them that what they were doing was wrong and that we needed change and that

00:03:46.680 they should stop demonizing citizens for wanting transparency from corrupt government. So I give

00:03:51.980 J.D. Vance credit for that. And just like to provide more context. So he's talking about the

00:03:57.960 European Union, which is fully trying to enforce regulations and rules over social media. The

00:04:04.180 European Union constantly tries to interfere with these social media platforms, enforcing speech

00:04:09.120 codes, enforcing rules over their platforms. And another story that is happening recently in

00:04:16.500 Germany, they basically, the country, the top security officials banned a right-wing magazine,

00:04:22.880 accusing it of spreading hate. So we're talking about Compact Magazine, which is a magazine that's

00:04:27.920 associated with the political party, the Alternative for Germany, the conservative right-wing

00:04:32.080 party. The magazine was shut down, okay? The police force went in, raided the offices, raided the

00:04:38.020 staff of the homes, took their computers and everything else. The magazine had a circulation

00:04:43.560 of about 40,000 people, a pretty big publication. And again, the AFG, it's not like this Alternative

00:04:52.060 for Germany is a radical fringe party. It's a mainstream party, Barbara. It got 16% of the vote

00:04:58.800 in the recent election for the European Parliament, which was the second highest vote count. So we're

00:05:04.620 not talking about like a fringe 1% party. We're talking about a mainstream party. And I think that

00:05:11.180 JD Vance going in there and saying that was obviously necessary given what those parties

00:05:18.060 and what those countries are doing to dissident voices.

00:05:21.660 And again, I mean, we're seeing signs of those sorts of things happening in Canada as well.

00:05:25.780 What's your take on all this?

00:05:27.720 Well, I think that Germany has, unlike most countries in the world, 0.91

00:05:33.140 has a very special relationship with the whole idea of Nazism 0.84

00:05:39.840 and people expressing Nazi, what they consider to be neo-Nazi views.

00:05:45.300 I have a certain sympathy for their, they do have a Holocaust denial law.

00:05:51.520 You cannot, you may not deny the Holocaust. 0.98

00:05:55.600 I kind of get it in their case.

00:05:57.680 That's a horrible legacy to be walking around with.

00:06:00.940 And you see it playing out in many of their discussions.

00:06:04.780 In terms of the AFD, I think we should make a distinction between some of the members of their party

00:06:11.680 or people that intend to vote for them and make it clear that they like the party who are, in fact, neo-Nazis or who have sympathy or who try to minimize Germany's Holocaust history.

00:06:27.580 People that vote for them is one thing. They should have freedom, total freedom of speech.

00:06:31.020 And so should, I suppose, people that are within the party.

00:06:34.760 But those people that have those kind of views within the party, you don't have to shut down their speech, but you do have to get them out of the party.

00:06:41.140 and that's and they do have a few people within the party that are expressing problematic views

00:06:47.000 uh if they're smart they'll like Marine Le Pen did you just you just draw a line and you say

00:06:53.040 you can't do that in our party we're not going to shut down the speech of Germans who vote for us

00:06:57.520 if it's unfortunate that they like us but uh you know you could say the same about the left-wing

00:07:03.700 parties they have some uh horrible uh islamo fascists in their party i mean not within the 0.80

00:07:11.380 party voting for them it's the same with on both sides you have you have um terrible people on both 0.61

00:07:17.940 sides extremists at the margins but um that's the distinction i would make i i think it's important

00:07:23.620 uh what you mentioned about how germany obviously has to be careful with their past and they don't

00:07:27.220 want to go down you know past that they had gone down in the past and drawing the line around for

00:07:33.940 instance the holocaust that that makes sense it seems to me though barbara that the the consternation

00:07:39.140 it's it's being like blown out of proportion and this idea that you can't like to me when i look

00:07:45.220 at the alternative for germany i see a party kind of based on more ideas that are becoming more

00:07:50.580 mainstream with immigration saying that we don't want mass open borders we are worried about crime

00:07:56.340 that comes from refugees we're worried about uh people coming that have totally different values 1.00

00:08:01.460 and the fact that a party that is so regularly demonized by the media as being far right and

00:08:06.020 i take your point that there are some people probably within the margins or that vote for

00:08:10.340 the party that are extremists that are nazis that are that should be uh disassociated with

00:08:15.140 the party uh but i think the reason why they probably got 16 of the vote is because enough

00:08:20.420 people in the country don't care about those labels anymore like you can call someone far

00:08:24.900 right all day but if their message resonates with you and you want to send a message to the elite

00:08:30.500 saying i don't we don't want this to happen to our country anymore i think that that's that that's

00:08:35.940 that's what's happening i want to read a bit more of the reactions to jd vance's speech so andrew

00:08:40.820 coin uh comments with the global mail wrote on x he said yankee go home vance meets with the leader

00:08:46.980 of the far right german party exports mega message we also had uh tom nuttle from the economist who

00:08:53.860 wrote this he said it's hard to overstate the outrage in munich over jd vance's actions today

00:08:59.140 a de facto campaign speech on behalf of the afd one week before the election entirely devoid of

00:09:06.100 substance on security as europe caves um craves an understanding of u.s policy on ukraine then

00:09:12.420 he goes on to say in some context for my u.s followers the afd is considered sufficiently

00:09:17.780 extreme that parts of the party are under domestic surveillance and then he says that it's no

00:09:23.540 trivial matter for the vp uh to meet with them but i think to me barbara this undermines this

00:09:29.060 underlines the point the idea that the government has weaponized part of its security apparatus to

00:09:34.740 go after a political party to try to shut down their speech even though they're what i would

00:09:40.180 call a mainstream party if you're getting 16 of the vote in a multi-party system number two um

00:09:45.220 out of all the parties it it shouldn't be considered extreme i'm calling it right wing

00:09:50.100 or far right and them saying that it's under domestic security to me that's that's exactly

00:09:55.460 the kind of thing that warranted jd vance to be speaking out against it i do think there yes i

00:10:01.140 think there is certainly a spectrum that that's the trouble when you start to shut down certain

00:10:08.740 kinds of speech that are really disturbing uh then you'll start you'll start working your way

00:10:13.780 back to speech that is i think there are too many immigrants which is obviously should be not totally 1.00

00:10:19.940 uncontroversial and isn't. The leader of the AFD is Alice Vidal. She is herself a lesbian. Her

00:10:28.740 partner is from Sri Lanka. I mean, I don't think that she is going to be calling for all non-ethnic

00:10:37.120 Germans to be leaving the country anytime soon. So yes, I agree with you that to be terribly 1.00

00:10:46.160 frightened about their po i think you should look at their policies and if their their actual

00:10:50.240 policies don't seem to be terribly different from um a lot of republican policies in the united

00:10:57.440 states uh so i think it's unfair to keep calling the afd far right far right far right like they

00:11:03.040 they every time they mention that party there's you know uh there's always that attached to it

00:11:07.840 although nobody ever says the far left democrats even though a lot of democrats within the party

00:11:14.000 are extremely uh far left and even in the republican party there are some far right

00:11:20.240 there's like marjorie green i mean there are far right uh extremists um so i really i i think you

00:11:27.840 have to watch what but what the policies are uh and if all those people are supporting them then

00:11:33.280 you have to take a good look at why and why they why they can't find what they're looking for in

00:11:38.800 the other parties which are completely normal things like too much immigration and all of that 0.96

00:11:44.720 right and so on top of all of this this is an amusing thing that happens so the american news

00:11:50.640 network cbs has a show called 60 minutes it's one of the best media and journalism shows that you

00:11:57.760 know that has existed for decades and they go in right at the same time and do a special on german

00:12:04.880 prosecutors who are cracking down on free speech so you know we had the jd vance speech everybody's

00:12:10.320 talking about making headlines over the weekend and then on sunday cbs airs the 60 minute clip

00:12:16.240 barbara it is unbelievable to me this segment right so the the premise is that in germany it

00:12:23.360 is a crime to insult people and it is a crime to lie online even if you don't even know that you're

00:12:29.040 lying. And so CBS covers this, but not in a critical way at all. They're basically cheerleading

00:12:34.880 this idea that in Germany, the police can go after people online. I didn't sense even a hint

00:12:43.180 of criticism or skepticism towards these activities by the German prosecutors that,

00:12:50.200 you know, from a North American mind, it's like, it's wild that they're doing this. And to have a

00:12:55.320 journalists are supposed to advocate for free speech and believe in it as a good. I'm going

00:13:02.040 to show this clip. So this is what it looked like a CBS reporter, Chiron Alfonsi, talking to the

00:13:09.760 German prosecutors. What they're saying is wild. And her reaction, like not to push back, not to

00:13:14.180 question it, not to be skeptical, but just to go, oh, wow, that's interesting. Really something to

00:13:18.320 behold. So let's play that clip. Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes, it is. And

00:13:25.160 And it's a crime to insult them online as well?

00:13:27.660 Yes.

00:13:28.660 The fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the Internet.

00:13:33.660 Why?

00:13:34.660 Because in the Internet, it stays there.

00:13:37.160 If somebody posts something that's not true, and then somebody else reposts it or likes it,

00:13:44.160 are they committing a crime?

00:13:45.660 In the case of reposting, it is a crime as well, because the reader can't distinguish

00:13:50.660 whether you just invented this or just reposted it that's the same for us and so from there from

00:13:58.420 this interview where you know they they say yes um saying mean things about politicians is against

00:14:04.580 the law in germany you cannot say it um and it's even worse to do it online uh so from there barbara

00:14:10.980 we get to see a cbs camera crew join the german police as they raid somebody's house again for

00:14:18.420 the crime of posting a meme on the internet that the government didn't like let's play that clip

00:14:25.220 it's 6.01 on a tuesday morning and we were with state police as they

00:14:30.580 raided this apartment in northwest germany inside six armed officers searched the suspect's home

00:14:40.340 then seized his laptop and cell phone prosecutors say those electronics may have been used to commit

00:14:47.140 a crime the crime posting a racist cartoon online

00:14:54.020 and so i guess this is nothing new we've seen this kind of thing happening in the

00:14:57.220 uk possibly it'll come to canada soon but the

00:15:00.900 thing that really blows my mind barbara is to hear the giddy

00:15:04.340 cbs reporter talking about it like here we are raiding this house

00:15:09.300 knocking down the door with our with our police squad here

00:15:12.900 to arrest this person for a meme that we didn't like

00:15:17.140 It's pretty creepy. It's pretty creepy. I think there are similar laws in the UK. I've seen some same kind of footage, somebody being arrested for having made some, it wasn't even, I mean, it was a very nothing comment on the internet and the whole SWAT team arrives and sees him and his computer.

00:15:38.560 or the woman who was arrested in England, in London for praying silently outside an abortion

00:15:47.100 clinic. She wasn't even moving her lips. I mean, and she was arrested for doing that. Yes, I think

00:15:53.840 free speech is in dire trouble in Europe and the UK. And I don't think that what J.D. Vance said was

00:16:02.220 so harsh at all. I think it was pretty, I think it was pretty transparent, strong. But I heard

00:16:13.180 that some members of the audience were actually weeping at what he had to say. So it does give

00:16:20.780 you a portrait of a Europe that really, what's happened to their values, what's happened to

00:16:28.220 their their you know if this is what they have to stoop to and they don't even define insult i find

00:16:33.660 i find it very disturbing when somebody won't define won't automatically define what they mean

00:16:38.940 well when i say insult i don't mean you know oh you looked fat on tv today or something like that

00:16:45.820 i mean you know that it has

00:16:47.820 it's it could be anything it could be anything that you say that it's taken it's the person who

00:16:59.700 decides right the person who feels insulted that decides this is this is a very slippery slope

00:17:05.220 there's no question well it's interesting because I think that so many people including sort of

00:17:10.080 elites in North America and Canada and the U.S. sort of believe that Europeans are more more

00:17:16.140 enlightened or, you know, more sophisticated in their political views than us in North America.

00:17:22.060 And they kind of look to Europe like we should be more like them. I just when I when I look at

00:17:27.340 what's happening in Europe, I mean, the fact that they're cracking down on speech like this,

00:17:32.160 the fact that they've completely opened their borders and flooded it with migrants that many, 0.97

00:17:38.280 many cases aren't well suited to live in the West, they're kind of giving it all away.

00:17:42.020 And to me, it's kind of a terrifying idea that you have someone like Mark Carney, who identifies himself as European, who has a sophisticated views like we need to be more like the Europeans.

00:17:54.140 I think it's the exact opposite.

00:17:56.600 It's frightening.

00:17:57.760 And I think that Canada should do everything it can to move away from this kind of speech regulations and codes and trying to censor the Internet.

00:18:07.120 Oh, absolutely.

00:18:08.560 what galls me of course and many other canadians is that they talk a lot about our speech

00:18:15.680 but they don't seem to care much when you hear speech in our streets in violent demonstrations

00:18:22.080 of the worst kind of hatred that true nazi style violent speech that is insightful and that is 0.88

00:18:33.040 is absolutely totally unacceptable and even by the criminal code is considered insightful

00:18:40.860 incitement to violence. Those people are not arrested in their homes or they don't get SWAT

00:18:47.060 teams, you know, they don't go to jail, most of them. So the hypocrisy, the double standards are

00:18:53.180 disturbing to me as well. Okay, I have one more thing from CBS and again to do with Germany. So

00:19:00.160 on the same evening, Sunday evening, we had CBS News' Margaret Brenner on her show Face the

00:19:06.340 Nation. She was on with Secretary of State Marco Rubio. And she makes quite a bizarre statement, 0.61

00:19:12.400 Barbara. She says that free speech was weaponized in Nazi Germany and that that is what caused the

00:19:19.620 Holocaust. Marco Rubio very, very calmly and very correctly sets the record straight here. 0.73

00:19:26.940 But let's play this clip and then I'll have you react to it, Barbara. 0.60

00:19:30.160 He was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide.

00:19:36.360 And he met with the head of a political party that has far right views and some historic ties to extreme groups.

00:19:47.540 The context of that was changing the tone of it.

00:19:53.500 And you know that, that the censorship was specifically about the right.

00:19:57.840 No, I have to disagree with you.

00:19:58.920 free speech was not used to conduct a genocide the genocide was conducted by an authoritarian

00:20:04.800 nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because they hated jews and they hated minorities

00:20:09.640 and they hated those that they had a list of people they hated but primarily the jews

00:20:13.300 there was no free speech in nazi germany there was none well and it's even more interesting than 0.90

00:20:18.720 that because it was actually uh censorship laws in the weimar republic that in many ways led to

00:20:25.760 the rise of nazism because they had such strict codes on speech in germany between the first and

00:20:31.680 second world war so i just want to play a quick clip um this is from an organization called fire

00:20:36.640 the foundation uh for i think it's independent research and education um an american free speech

00:20:41.780 group they uh this clip started uh circulating it was from a year a year or two ago um but here we

00:20:48.580 have basically a scholar at, sorry, a fire senior fellow, Nadim Strawson, explaining how the history

00:20:59.800 of censorship actually made anti-Semitism much worse and it paved the way for the Nazis. Let's 1.00

00:21:05.960 play that clip. We obviously know that despite the speech suppression, the punishment of speech,

00:21:14.520 it was hardly effective in preventing the rise of Nazism.

00:21:20.220 To the contrary, the Nazis themselves, as well as many historians,

00:21:25.580 believe that the net impact of those laws censoring Nazi speech

00:21:31.840 was to amplify their message.

00:21:36.500 Megan Brenner was completely wrong, the exact opposite, actually.

00:21:40.660 the things that they're doing today to censor you could argue led more to the rise of nazis than

00:21:45.860 this idea that somehow nazi germany was like a free speech utopia and that's how they managed 0.59

00:21:51.060 to carry out the slaughter um what was your take on all that barbara i think you're absolutely

00:21:56.340 right uh she she's very wrong about by the time the nazis uh gained power nobody was uh everybody

00:22:04.980 was very careful of what they were i mean they had absolute control and uh the punishment could

00:22:11.060 be quite dire if you you know expressed hatred of them or you or or criticism of them so she was

00:22:18.260 she was totally off base there and i do believe that the second speaker nadine strawson was right

00:22:24.020 in that uh the more you try to suppress certain things uh the more pushback you're going to get

00:22:29.780 and if it's a free society and people can vote they will vote against you i think look you just

00:22:34.820 look at our past history and in the last nine years people that weren't allowed to talk say

00:22:39.460 what they felt about issues gender and i mean the whole dei thing is suppression of speech

00:22:45.940 cancel culture culture all of that um and they are reaping you know the liberal party has has

00:22:52.980 reaped their just reward in becoming more and more unpopular and it's largely due to and the

00:22:58.580 same in the United States and accounts for Trump's victory. A lot of it was cultural.

00:23:03.700 They people were tired of, you know, having to keep their mouth shut about this, that, and the

00:23:08.340 other. And that was their former rebellion. And who can blame them? Well, I hope you're right. I

00:23:14.420 hope that this leads us away from this regime of the, you know, the online harms bill that

00:23:19.300 Justin Trudeau and his government are introducing, along with, you know, a whole host of other

00:23:24.420 regulations and legislation designed to try to regulate the internet to try to crack down on

00:23:30.540 so-called hate speech or misinformation terms that are always very vaguely defined Barbara

00:23:35.140 I want to pivot now to talk about Pierre Polyev because he gave a speech on Saturday night and we

00:23:43.040 did discuss it on the show on Monday but I think that there was so much to the speech that it's

00:23:48.360 worth going through it in a little more depth and also just to talk about this moment right because

00:23:53.020 here we are in 2025, all of a sudden, patriotism and Canadian

00:23:58.300 pride are back in style, after five years or even longer of

00:24:03.060 liberals and elitists and left wingers saying that there's

00:24:06.540 something disgraceful about Canada, that Canada is genocidal,

00:24:09.660 that there's shame in being Canadian, that we shouldn't 0.60

00:24:11.620 celebrate Canada Day, we should have our flags that have

00:24:13.780 staff, all this stuff. And then now all of a sudden, Donald

00:24:17.780 Trump, you know, makes makes an offhand comment, and proposes a

00:24:21.700 trade tariff and suddenly uh you know you have people uh policing products in supermarkets saying

00:24:27.940 don't buy american goods buy the canadian goods and uh suddenly everyone wants to fly the maple

00:24:32.420 leaf again so in in that context we had pierre polyev give us a a very strong speech on saturday

00:24:39.220 evening he held his canada first rally this was uh on the anniversary of the 60th anniversary

00:24:45.860 of the maple leaf flag being introduced in canada so he held the event in ottawa hundreds of thousands

00:24:52.900 of people were watching it live online we had i think upwards of 10 000 people in person uh watching

00:24:59.940 this event um and i mean you can just see the the visuals of it barbara before we get into the

00:25:06.340 context of it it looked beautiful right this beautiful big flag um this kind of like youthful

00:25:12.900 candidate with his beautiful wife they come out you had anna polyev give an amazing introduction

00:25:18.740 she's an inspiring person herself and then she she introduces her husband and i i really

00:25:24.660 appreciated the way he started out the speech he sort of made a self-deprecating joke saying

00:25:28.740 you know everybody always asks like what is she doing with him um which was which was very like

00:25:34.580 humble and and sweet um and so you know just just without even talking about the um the con the

00:25:41.620 content um just the way it looked i think that it really kind of breathed a lot of energy into

00:25:47.540 the conservative side when it comes to canadian patriotism conservatives were the one that

00:25:52.980 maintained our patriotism throughout the last 10 years while the liberals were telling us not to do

00:25:57.620 it um and so it was kind of nice to see him maintain that so i'll i'll do like what did you

00:26:02.980 what was your overall takeaway from the uh the speech there i i i did love his speech and i i

00:26:08.900 actually posted it on x and said i think it was the best political speech i ever heard and i and

00:26:15.220 i agree the visuals were great i think that his uh choice to kind of echo the america first you

00:26:22.180 know donald trump's america first message with canada first was uh bold but he did it with class

00:26:27.940 and he did it uh you know he sort of got above the fray doing it and i thought he did it very well

00:26:33.540 um i i love the speech i thought the trajectory of the speech he took he took us on a journey

00:26:40.420 and that's what a good speech should do and uh he elicited many many different reactions he's

00:26:45.380 certainly in me and i'm i've seen a lot of speeches in my time and i'm generally sit sitting back and

00:26:50.100 listening i like that i don't like that but at this time i sort of got carried away not carried

00:26:55.460 away but i got carried along by um his his uh very very well constructed very well crafted

00:27:04.660 uh a journey of ideas but and emotions intertwined and i thought he did a brilliant job and he

00:27:10.980 started off um with the personal as one should uh and i'm by the way i think all of it was

00:27:16.980 calculated not only he was not only speaking to canadians um he was speaking to donald trump but

00:27:22.180 he was also speaking to mark carney so he had he had a triple message um and uh it had to be

00:27:29.700 effective on on many different levels so he began with the personal uh he and his wife his wife is

00:27:35.220 an immigrant and came to this country and he is from very ordinary um you know kind of uh up from 1.00

00:27:41.620 poverty background um and the the the message here was we're not elite we're not we don't come from

00:27:48.740 privilege like mark kearney uh but we uh we know that we we we knew that canada would keep its

00:27:58.180 promise to us anna came to canada because she believed in canada's promise and canada he said

00:28:05.140 canada kept its promise to us so we are products of a canada that is a good place a great country

00:28:13.220 so the whole thing is going to get back to how can we recapture the greatness of canada so he

00:28:18.020 set it up as uh that and then uh he moves into but but presently we're under threat so now now

00:28:24.820 we're getting a little nervous what is the threat and he explains the threat uh we know what the

00:28:28.980 threat is um but we can do something about that so you know don't worry uh we we can deal with

00:28:35.540 that threat yes uh we have energy we have leverage don't be afraid that's the next message then the

00:28:42.820 next one is a statement to the american people he does not mention donald trump by name through

00:28:48.340 most of his speech he was above trump uh and and deals uh talks directly to the american people

00:28:55.620 and he says you americans we are both suffering we are both going to suffer and he uh he says

00:29:03.620 you know so that's we're together on this we're not we should not be enemies we're together we

00:29:08.180 can fix this um we're not asking for pity and um and uh then on to uh our shared history who would

00:29:18.740 you rather have as a neighbor we have great shared history military uh now he gets into

00:29:25.620 a warning we will never be the 51st state and now now he's starting to sort of come out like an

00:29:31.780 you know with the gloves on uh we will bear any burden he still hasn't mentioned donald trump

00:29:36.980 now it's um we are going to be the road ahead we are going to be the wealthiest country

00:29:43.700 uh but now he's pivoting to carney and trudeau and uh and all our problems that they created

00:29:50.340 and how now here's the list of problems energy homes taxes all those now we pivot to the

00:29:56.660 conservatives we were right about everything we we were we knew what those problems were we have a

00:30:02.260 solution to fix them so we were right they were wrong and he's now including from now on everything

00:30:08.020 is carney trudeau carney trudeau carney trudeau the media they were wrong about us and they said

00:30:14.180 this not true uh then it's on to be afraid of mark carney not only afraid you don't have to be just

00:30:20.180 afraid of don't trump you have to be afraid of mark carney too and here's why um and in a sense

00:30:25.940 you know, Carney's moving his headquarters to New York. So actually, you know, Carney and Donald

00:30:32.900 Trump, they have a certain amount of certain things in common, but it's the first mention of

00:30:37.140 Donald Trump's name. And then he has a very strong, it's a bit scary, very strong paragraph.

00:30:43.200 He says, Mark Carney's going to plagiarize all our stuff. And he put his profit before our people.

00:30:50.640 if he wins canada loses this is i think a very strong statement but don't be afraid now we move

00:30:57.600 into his bring it home economic plan and the detail and precision is really excellent because

00:31:03.440 carney is not talking in precision in details or being precise at all sorry i'm rambling on and on

00:31:09.840 but now we get into uh you know uh trade barriers and the border security and the uh fentanyl he

00:31:21.440 can be tough we're gonna have harsher punishments but he has compassion because we're gonna deal

00:31:25.920 with treatment um now it's defense um and wasteful aid to i mean there's so many policy things that

00:31:33.120 he's covering here i think that's remarkable in a speech like this where he's not he's really

00:31:38.160 putting out a very full platform now we're coming to the climax patriotism citizenship

00:31:45.600 we're going to end cancel culture we're going to end the war on history 1.00

00:31:48.960 we are the greatest country in the world we're going to reinstate statues you know he's i mean

00:31:56.400 the details are are fantastic we're going to bring back our proud military traditions we're going to

00:32:01.040 promote now this I liked a lot oh now we're into inspiration so it's we're very climactic here

00:32:08.280 we're into inspiration for what's going to be here's my tactics we're going to promote common

00:32:13.280 national identity we're going to bridge differences rather than create differences

00:32:18.660 and he talks about our citizenship is precious I loved what he said when he said we're going to

00:32:26.760 have a new part of the citizenship oath. We're going to have in-person citizenship. I mean,

00:32:30.920 isn't it awful that we've got to the point where we actually, you know, it's like, oh yeah, we'll

00:32:34.800 just zoom it in here. Well, yeah, yeah, here's your, we'll send your certificate by email. You

00:32:38.780 know, really? In-person citizenship oaths and added to the oath will be the theme of gratitude.

00:32:48.660 Gratitude for being part of the greatest country in the world. And you should know that and you

00:32:54.140 should express it in words you have to say so um and then he says you have to leave your hate behind

00:32:59.980 whatever your hate and he names a whole bunch of names to indicate all the different ethnic you

00:33:04.140 know uh sources of hatred in the world and and he says leave it behind you are canadian first

00:33:09.580 this is a fantastic message um so and then now back to the summary but it's a great summary

00:33:17.120 because he adds a new thought to it he reprises much as what he said in the speech but then he

00:33:23.580 add something very new and he says um a warning this is it's not going to be easy to reachieve

00:33:32.340 the canadian promise it's not going to be easy but it's going to be hard but what's going to help

00:33:40.020 us in that journey the past is going to teach us how to be strong in bearing the burden of what

00:33:48.500 you know to get back to our our canadian promise and then he mentions was it do you think it was

00:33:54.000 easy for the indigenous people to live in minus 30 or 40 degree and build their igloos and like 1.00

00:33:59.580 you know uh what about immigrants who built the railway what about the military and the world wars

00:34:06.000 and what about individuals like terry fox we are part of something bigger than ourselves he said

00:34:12.160 This is beautiful because who made Canada? And he's, he just lists everybody, including brave, courageous individuals with a strong message of hope and everything else that you want to hear. I thought it was a brilliant speech. I, I felt myself going with him. I thought I, I, he took me along and I, I was, I was willing to suspend any kind of, you know, like there was no point at which I said, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:34:40.900 hey now you're now you're getting corny or now you're getting you know this is your you're

00:34:45.220 promising too much or any of that so i yes i loved it as you can see well i know i i loved the the

00:34:52.340 story that you told about it and you really uh made some clear points that i i hadn't even really

00:34:58.180 thought about i think i think you're right when it comes to this is an alternative to the nine

00:35:02.980 years of liberals that we can all look forward to we can all get excited about i have the blueprint

00:35:07.780 I have the plan. And it's not something new. He didn't just come up with it in the wake

00:35:11.860 of the tariff threats from President Trump. These are the things that he's been talking about and

00:35:16.620 advocating for his entire career. And I do agree that those are the least that we can do. Those

00:35:24.340 are the first steps towards regaining our country, taking back our country and restoring it. I think

00:35:30.740 that it's also interesting just to add a point that the legacy media will claim that Pierre

00:35:35.560 Polyev doesn't have a plan, that he doesn't have depth, that he just speaks in talking points and

00:35:40.800 bumper stickers. And that's sort of what the liberals have said as well, Mark Carney. But

00:35:45.600 here you have, you know, Pierre Polyev get up on a Saturday night and speak in great detail for an

00:35:50.860 hour and a half about his plans and his and his policies in really even telling us how he's going

00:35:57.960 to pay for them, right? Like, yes, I'm going to beef up our military. We're going to start patrolling

00:36:02.780 the arctic we're going to build in the north and i'm going to pay for it by defunding foreign aid

00:36:07.500 and defunding unra and and here you go here's how i'm going to pay for it and then you can

00:36:12.460 contrast that with mark carney who everybody thinks is super smart and sophisticated um but

00:36:17.820 he hasn't given a plan at all and a few points that he's put out there often seem to contradict

00:36:23.180 each other like his you know will he get rid of the carbon tax no it's going to be changed to an

00:36:28.460 an industrial thing that he says that won't trickle down to consumers, but then he has to

00:36:32.940 admit that, yes, it is the consumers that will pay more. He has a very limited and confused

00:36:38.140 policy right now. I just want to go back to Pierre Polyev, because I agree with you. And I think that

00:36:44.980 some of the ideas like citizenship ceremonies in person, yes, obviously, I love the idea of adding

00:36:49.740 gratitude. In some ways, it felt a little bit like it was too little too late, though, Barbara,

00:36:54.400 I think that part of the problem with the Trudeau government is that they completely opened the gate and anyone could become a citizen.

00:37:00.920 And I've been critical of this since Trudeau came to office.

00:37:04.400 So one of the first things he did when he became prime minister back in 2015 is he changed the citizenship laws.

00:37:10.560 He made it so that you can become a citizen basically fast tracked after just four years.

00:37:14.760 And you don't even have to live in Canada full time to become a citizen.

00:37:18.600 So he's given citizenship away, which has cheapened it for all of us.

00:37:22.360 And I didn't, I didn't hear even, so I sat down with Pierre Polyev last week and I asked him about his immigration plan. He said it would look a lot more like the Harper government, but he didn't give me specifics. And, you know, one of the things I'm worried about is the changes that have happened to our country over the last nine years with people not really caring about Canada, people being able to become citizens of our country without showing any kind of love for Canada, any kind of respect for Canada.

00:37:51.360 There's one part in the speech, and I'm going to play it and I'll get you to react.

00:37:56.120 This was making the rounds a lot sort of on the more like right wing circles online by kind of more Canadian nationalists who took issue with this one clip.

00:38:06.440 So, Sean, this is clip number eight.

00:38:08.940 Pierre Polyev says that our nationalism is not based on bloodlines, birthplace or backgrounds.

00:38:14.580 Let's play that clip.

00:38:15.220 Ours is a nationalism not based on bloodlines, birthplace, or background, whether your name

00:38:22.980 is Martin or Mohammed, Paliyev or Patel, Tremblay, hi there Mr. Patel, good to see you, it's

00:38:34.440 like Smith, or like Tremblay, Tremblay, Singh, Smith, or Steinberg, whether you're from

00:38:44.780 Taktayaktak or Trois-Rivières, Okanagan or Oromocto, Calgary or Cavendish. We are all Canadians and

00:38:52.420 Canadians first. I think it was a little charming how he said that and how he talked about Mr. Patel.

00:39:01.540 But my issue here is it's starting to sound a little bit like Trudeau's post-national

00:39:06.460 everyone's a Canadian, Canadian's nothing, Canadian's a Canadian's Canadian. If you say 0.97

00:39:10.520 that our nationalism is not based on bloodlines, birthplace, or background. I mean, it has to be

00:39:15.980 based on one of those three, right? I mean, what is Canadian if it has nothing to do with, like,

00:39:21.340 who your family and who your parents were, where you're born, your background? Like, to me, there

00:39:26.460 needs to be more to that. You have to say, in order to be Canadian, you know, you can come from

00:39:30.520 these other places, but you have to commit to Canada. You have to believe in Canada. You have

00:39:35.920 to, and I just think there could have been a lot more that he had added to that bit. What do you

00:39:40.260 think. He could have doubled down on it. I drew from what he said that bloodlines should not be

00:39:49.860 important on that you can become Canadian. I think partly he was saying that with like his wife is

00:39:58.040 an immigrant. I mean, she's from Venezuela. That doesn't mean she's not Canadian. She became

00:40:02.240 Canadian because she joined the common culture. And I think maybe he should have, all right,

00:40:08.700 he could have could have emphasized that we have a common culture it was built by you know people

00:40:15.320 from all over people who built the railways and people you know indigenous people like i mean he

00:40:19.960 said it but he said it in a kind of roundabout way is that we became who we were by

00:40:27.740 all these different energies and forces he could have said uh we we began as uh

00:40:37.880 a common culture based on British values.

00:40:43.420 I mean, we're, you know, heritage values, British and French because of.

00:40:48.980 But I think by now, all these years later, that I don't know if that would have gone over very well,

00:40:57.820 even with heritage Canadians.

00:40:59.520 I don't think any heritage Canadian has a problem with somebody from Venezuela or from India or from China or anywhere.

00:41:07.880 who becomes very Canadian and I know lots of people from other places they love Canada if

00:41:16.060 you love Canada and you love the reason that you if you came to Canada to have freedom and an

00:41:22.580 opportunity and for the Canadian promise then you've already acknowledged if you don't have

00:41:27.680 doesn't have to be in words you have acknowledged that Canada has what you're not getting where you

00:41:33.680 came from um whether that that maybe that should be more explicit but then it might sound a little

00:41:40.060 bit patronizing or mean-spirited to you know say it say it you know but yeah i mean i think he said

00:41:48.040 we to me it seemed like we have a common culture and we will be stronger for all the people that

00:41:54.360 come from different places if they leave whatever was bugging them about other people behind leave

00:42:02.800 your hatred behind and bring your best self to Canada and um internalize our common culture

00:42:11.600 that that gave us the Canadian promise and that fulfilled it for me and my wife like

00:42:16.760 maybe I'm reading too much into it but that was my takeaway from it yeah no I think you're right

00:42:24.360 maybe that's what I wanted him to be saying well I think if you show the clip that I just did

00:42:30.800 completely out of context you could see hey well wait a minute like what what does it mean to be

00:42:34.800 canadian if anyone can be canadian anyone can come here it doesn't matter like anything about you

00:42:38.800 uh but i think you know together with the other points that you raised about how

00:42:44.400 he wants people to do citizenship ceremonies and he wants to bring in gratitude and he tells you

00:42:48.880 that if you come from a war-torn place don't bring your tribal hatreds to canada like leave that all

00:42:54.240 away i think that all that tied together does tell that kind of positive um patriotism that

00:43:00.240 we do have shared values we're not a multicultural um utopia where mark carney says a lot that that

00:43:07.360 the americans are a melting pot and that canada is a mosaic um that's an old but that's an old

00:43:12.960 that's a very old paradigm right no i'm saying like that i used to hear that uh maybe 20 years

00:43:18.000 ago and and i never liked it right because the idea is that with a melting pot every culture

00:43:23.280 comes together and it changes the flavor right so it's not just like you know you have to become

00:43:29.360 british or in in the in the u.s you have to become american and then and then everything else gets

00:43:33.920 melted away it's like every culture that comes changes america a little bit and we're all together

00:43:38.400 in this stew i i like that metaphor better than a mosaic a mosaic where you can just cut out somebody

00:43:44.560 and each piece is completely separate and removed from every other piece i mean mark carney says

00:43:50.400 that and i don't think i think he he has a positive like you know 20 years ago people used to say it

00:43:55.520 but but to me it's very negative it's like we live in these silos you don't have to interact

00:44:00.160 with anybody you can actually hate the person in the in the in the picture next door to you

00:44:04.880 it doesn't matter you don't have anything in common you just happen to be side by side

00:44:08.800 which i think is the sort of like liberal idea of canada um that that you know canada i think um

00:44:14.320 yan martel once said canada is the world's greatest hotel um this idea that like you can

00:44:19.680 just come and stay and go and doesn't mean anything and like you know a hotel doesn't

00:44:23.520 have any warmth it's not a home it's just a place you come and go and it's the old good intentions

00:44:29.360 thing it's the old good intentions thing is that uh you know we we we can remain who we were and

00:44:36.480 at the same time be totally canadian it it was the beginning of multiculturalism and i i had the same

00:44:42.400 reaction as you when i when i would hear that mosaic mosaic well that's kind of like chopped

00:44:47.360 up little tiles like i would see a bathroom wall you know and uh i liked the melting pot thing

00:44:52.720 because I think that's the only way you're going to get true patriotism

00:44:57.960 is when people say American culture, they kind of know what they mean.

00:45:04.720 They may not love the culture, but they kind of know that those waves of immigration,

00:45:10.140 you know, and the Italians and the Irish and the Jews and this and that,

00:45:14.920 they had tough beginnings.

00:45:16.260 They were very rough.

00:45:17.660 It was a rough process.

00:45:19.080 uh so many hundreds of thousands of people coming uh but they said no you're going to become

00:45:25.320 american you know they they were very adamant about it and people did by the second third

00:45:29.400 generation um everybody became very happy to say they were proud americans uh so this this mosaic

00:45:37.640 idea is no the most important thing about you is your the identity you you were before you came

00:45:44.640 here so don't lose that so we'll just we'll just you know we'll fit you in we'll cock it the

00:45:50.900 cocking will be like between us all and that'll be the bridge but no it doesn't work and what we

00:45:57.340 thought it would work i think a lot of people thought multiculturalism would work it didn't

00:46:01.660 work and and it didn't work in a very dramatic fashion in europe uh and and the uk and uh in

00:46:10.760 other places um it's it's very bad so uh okay well yeah i'm gonna ask you one one last question and

00:46:21.900 uh it might lead to a broader conversation so if it does we might have to save it for the next time

00:46:26.700 you join the show but i think that with trump president trump's tariff threats this whole

00:46:32.640 newfound patriotism uh love of country on the political left and in the center um you know it

00:46:39.860 it kind of raises old questions. When you think of what it is to be Canadian, what do we love

00:46:46.260 about Canada? You know, Justin Trudeau defined Canada twice on U.S. television earlier this year

00:46:51.320 as a Canadian is defined as just not an American. You wrote on X, and this was, I think, one of your

00:46:58.100 typically very thought-provoking, controversial takes. You wrote that if Quebec officially left

00:47:04.960 confederation and became a nation canada would cease to exist as a nation montreal is a port city

00:47:10.240 a big advantage quebec has natural resources strong sense of its own identity it would survive

00:47:15.200 and could easily flourish under certain circumstances be careful what you wish for

00:47:18.800 um so i i think you're saying that that can the canadian identity you know the french are the

00:47:25.440 ones that have the identity more so than us english canadians maybe we can learn a bit about

00:47:30.000 them. You wrote that before all of the tariff threats in the 51st state thing. So what's your

00:47:36.320 current thinking on this? Well, my current thinking is that there's going to be a big

00:47:39.840 pause in the whole rush. You know, I don't think this will be very good for the Parti Québécois.

00:47:45.840 At the time that I wrote that, they were quite ascendant in the polls and Premier Legault was

00:47:52.000 like behind the eight ball. But I think that the tariff thing may change it. But what I meant by

00:47:57.280 that was you know i've lived in montreal for like 60 over 60 years and i've had my ups and downs with

00:48:04.160 quebec and i you know i've gone back and forth on a lot of things but i can say this they because

00:48:11.440 they speak french and because a lot of their influences that their journalists and their

00:48:17.120 intellectuals uh they don't take their marching orders from north america's you know uh uh

00:48:25.520 whatever's going on here and multiculturalism and all of that i think they were a little bit

00:48:30.640 immunized from that um they they feel like a nation they say they are a nation i think in

00:48:37.360 in all the respects that matter they are a nation diluted because they've so many of them you know

00:48:42.960 the church has been absent for a long time for most of their lives but still um they don't need

00:48:50.160 threats of terrorists or anything else they feel threatened all the time because of the language

00:48:54.320 and you know they feel like they're an island in a sea of so they've had that for a long time

00:49:01.440 when people said that they were racist because of the bill 21 you know with the niqab law and 0.98

00:49:06.400 not wearing a hijab in classes and all that uh they were wrong they were protecting their culture 1.00

00:49:12.640 and uh they that's still very important to them um and they they would retain and i think if they

00:49:20.480 did separate they have so many natural blessings um that they would they would remain a cult they

00:49:25.920 would remain a nation but the rest of canada would be like now what what do we do what do

00:49:30.880 we do we have this gigantic hole in the middle of our country um i think that would be a tragedy

00:49:36.080 for the rest of canada far greater than it would be for quebec i think quebec would actually get

00:49:41.280 their act together and i mean they'd have to overcome a lot of things like they've got all

00:49:45.920 you know i won't even start to go into it all the compromises that have to be made but

00:49:50.880 the fact is um people think that they would flop but no they i don't think they would i don't think

00:49:57.040 they would i think they have a inner moral i i think they have an inner sense of who they are

00:50:01.760 much more than than many canadians well i don't necessarily agree with you barbara i think that

00:50:07.600 particularly from an economic standpoint it's hard to imagine how they could function uh as

00:50:12.480 I think to the contrary, if Alberta were to separate from Canada, the rest of the country would go bankrupt because basically Alberta's resources prop up socialism in the rest of the country and allow the proliferation of government spending throughout the economy.

00:50:29.620 I mean, same goes with the American security apparatus.

00:50:33.180 Like if we actually had to secure our own borders

00:50:35.980 and we lost the sort of nuclear umbrella

00:50:39.700 provided by the Americans,

00:50:41.140 I don't think that Canada could have

00:50:42.860 such a generous welfare state.

00:50:45.920 And that's so much of a part of the identity.

00:50:48.860 So I think-

00:50:49.920 Economically, wouldn't you say that Quebec,

00:50:52.840 they have untapped natural resources,

00:50:56.040 minerals, rare earths,

00:50:57.220 like all kinds of incredible stuff

00:50:59.060 still in the ground and the electricity they supply the northern states with i mean incredible

00:51:05.060 hydro uh which means that they could say no to oil and you know a lot of stuff that that other

00:51:12.260 provinces can't um i i i mean i think it has incredible wealth and it's a port city port

00:51:17.300 cities always thrive but but there'd have to be a will to actually develop the natural resources

00:51:22.260 which i mean there's been quotes from quebec premiers going back uh saying that like why

00:51:26.340 would we develop our natural resources we don't need to um and if they were going to be if they

00:51:31.540 were going to be a separate country they would that would be i guess we need to now they would

00:51:36.020 need to yeah and and well maybe that would maybe that would cause them to to to sort of look at

00:51:42.020 the fiscal picture a little differently because i think without all the transfer payments um quebec

00:51:46.340 would never have a balance budget a super interesting thought experiment and i think that

00:51:50.340 you're right when it comes to understanding their identity and protecting their culture quebec is

00:51:54.820 ahead of the rest of Canada. We can learn a lot, us English Canadians, from our French Canadian

00:52:00.420 counterparts. So, Barbara, we'll leave it there. We'll have to have you back again to further the 0.62

00:52:04.100 discussion and the conversation again, but it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank

00:52:08.420 you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me, Candice. Always a pleasure for me to be here.

00:52:13.780 All right, so we will leave it at that today. I'm your host, Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice

00:52:17.780 Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news.

00:52:21.380 Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - February 19, 2025

Militarized censorship in Europe CELEBRATED by the media (ft. Barbara Kay)

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