Juno News - August 31, 2022


More money won’t fix our schools


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With kids returning to school next week, now is the perfect time to debunk some common leftist claims about public school education funding in Canada. In this episode, we debunk two of the most common myths about public education in Canada: that education funding is decreasing, and that if we increase it, student outcomes will improve.

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00:00:00.000 I'm Jasmine Melton, and this is Reality Check.
00:00:09.980 Reality Check is a new show here at True North where we use facts and logic to debunk
00:00:14.380 the favorite arguments of the left. Every week we'll debunk one common leftist argument from
00:00:19.860 Canada. And if you're new to the show, last week we covered the topic of free tuition. The Greens
00:00:24.920 and the NDP, for example, are proposing that we completely abolish tuition in Canada.
00:00:29.020 Obviously, we delivered a Reality Check that not only is this a regressive policy, but actually
00:00:35.000 the reality is government debt is a far bigger burden on students than the average, even
00:00:40.060 doctoral student loan. Now, while the legacy media gives leftists a platform to spread these
00:00:45.200 sort of ideological claims, Reality Check is the only show in Canada with the explicit purpose
00:00:50.140 to push back against these baseless claims. So if you appreciate the work that we do here
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00:01:04.720 Now to this week's show. Now, with kids returning to school next week, now is the perfect time
00:01:10.360 to debunk some common leftist claims about public school education funding in Canada.
00:01:15.580 I know I've already seen a ton of posts on social media, Facebook, even Twitter, all talking
00:01:21.900 about how cuts to education are happening in Canada or over the course of the past few
00:01:26.880 years and how these cuts are hurting our kids. And a lot of this comment is just recycled
00:01:31.180 from different teachers' unions' paid advertising campaigns. But nonetheless, I think that we
00:01:36.520 have to address this issue because there's so much false information and false claims floating
00:01:41.740 around the internet. Take a listen.
00:01:44.040 Teachers came from across the province with a message for the government. 170 busloads from
00:01:54.860 five different unions. Upset about proposed changes, including the loss of almost 3,500
00:02:02.120 positions over four years and larger high school class sizes. Unions say some classes could have
00:02:08.920 40 or 45 students. That's insane right now. Like, I have like 33 kids in each of my classes
00:02:15.700 and I can barely fit all my desks in there as it is. That particular clip that you just saw
00:02:20.300 was a protest happening in Ontario back in 2020. But a lot of these education related,
00:02:25.780 oftentimes unionized protests all have the same themes in common. As you saw, if you're
00:02:31.380 watching this on YouTube, perhaps you're listening to the podcast, you may have seen people holding
00:02:35.800 signs saying, stop the cuts to education, cuts hurt our kids. In this particular clip, you even
00:02:41.800 saw a child that obviously her parents brought her to the protest holding a sign saying, don't
00:02:48.500 cut my future. So to summarize, the left has two main arguments when it comes to education
00:02:53.540 funding in Canada. The first, they'll say stop the cuts, meaning education funding, they're
00:02:59.060 arguing has decreased or is decreasing, is being rolled back. And the second claim that they'll
00:03:04.420 make is that cuts hurt kids, meaning every time these quote unquote cuts happen, kids perform
00:03:11.960 worse. So if you increase education funding, student outcomes will improve. All right, so now
00:03:16.900 the fun part, let's debunk these two claims that one, education funding is going down in
00:03:21.520 Canada, and two, that if you increase it, outcomes will improve. Let's start with argument one,
00:03:26.720 that education funding in Canada is decreasing. The easiest leftist myths to debunk are when
00:03:32.620 Stats Canada provides data that just so clearly paints the picture that the leftists are wrong.
00:03:38.540 And we're in luck. The Fraser Institute has compiled a report using Statistics Canada data
00:03:43.600 that shows that the growth in per student funding has outpaced both inflation and student enrollment.
00:03:49.900 The study titled Education Spending in Public Schools in Canada states this,
00:03:54.620 it is clear from the data that from the 2013-14 school year to 2017-18, Canada has increased
00:04:01.400 education spending in public schools beyond what was required for enrollment and price changes,
00:04:06.780 contrary to the general perception that education spending in public schools has been cut.
00:04:11.420 So it really does not get more clear than that. Obviously, education spending has gone up faster
00:04:16.700 than inflation and student enrollment. Specifically, the study found that when you adjust for increases
00:04:21.620 in enrollment and inflation, the actual increase in education spending across Canada over this time
00:04:27.160 period was about 3.8%, which equates to, again, in real terms, about $500 per student.
00:04:34.360 $500 per student is no small sum. If you think about it, if you've got a class of 20 or 30 kids,
00:04:39.620 that's a lot of money. And usually when leftists do make the argument that premiers are making cuts
00:04:45.340 to education, their time frame of reference is pretty myopic, meaning they may look at small
00:04:50.340 policy changes without considering the big picture over time. But overall, as I said, the trend is clear.
00:04:56.460 Education funding in Canada is going up at a faster rate than inflation and student enrollment are
00:05:01.900 increasing. But the obvious leftist rebuttal is, okay, if education funding is going up, as you say,
00:05:08.040 then why are class sizes getting bigger? Now, this is a really important argument to address
00:05:12.760 because a lot of times people say class sizes are getting bigger because education funding is going
00:05:17.820 down. We just established education spending is going up. So valid question. Let's explore it. Let's
00:05:23.620 dive in. The reason why class sizes are getting bigger despite education spending increasing is
00:05:29.360 because most of the increases to education spending in Canada, in fact, the vast majority of the increases
00:05:34.900 go into compensation. Again, the Fraser Institute study that analyzed education spending in Canada
00:05:41.300 found that the increase in compensation costs represents 73% of the total increase of $8.2 billion
00:05:49.120 in education spending in public schools between 2013 and 2017. And this leads us nicely into leftist
00:05:56.260 argument number two, which is that cuts her kids, or in other words, we need to increase education 1.00
00:06:02.400 spending in order to improve student outcomes. So as we just saw, a study has pointed out that 73%
00:06:08.880 of increases to education spending went into compensation. That means that 73 cents out of
00:06:15.120 every one new dollar going into education funding will go into compensation for people working within
00:06:21.040 the public school system. So right off the bat, while the left says that increases to education spending
00:06:26.080 will help students, the data actually shows that the vast majority of it will help people working
00:06:31.040 for the public school system. And then almost guaranteed the left retort to this will be,
00:06:36.240 well, the better you take care of teachers, the better off students are. But one thing you'll never
00:06:41.760 hear leftists admit is that the more you pay teachers, the fewer you can afford. And because of this
00:06:47.440 very simple principle, it's obvious that teacher compensation is tied directly to class sizes.
00:06:53.520 So let's dive into teacher compensation. I submitted access to information requests to the Ministry of
00:06:58.640 Education in Ontario, inquiring about average teacher pay in the province. And I got the
00:07:04.080 following response. The average high school teacher in Ontario earned a total compensation,
00:07:09.280 which means salary plus benefits and taxpayer funded pension contributions of $103,926 in 2018.
00:07:19.120 And that year was obviously more of a normalized year before any sort of pandemic related fluctuation.
00:07:24.880 Now the 2018 school year was 194 days long. So that means that for each working day in class,
00:07:32.240 teachers made $536 per working day. Now that was just the average total compensation for Ontario high
00:07:39.360 school teachers. Top burning teachers in Ontario earned a total compensation of $120,097 in 2018. Again,
00:07:49.760 divided by the 194 day school year, that means that the top burning teachers were earning over $619 per
00:07:57.680 day. And for context, this is compared to the median household income. So that could include two income
00:08:03.920 earners in Ontario for that year was just over $61,000. My point here is a simple one. The more you pay
00:08:12.480 teachers, the fewer you can afford. This is basic math. For example, if you had a hundred teachers paid at
00:08:18.720 a hundred thousand dollars per year for that same amount of money, you could have 143 teachers paid
00:08:25.120 at 70,000 a year. So if I haven't already overdone the point, the more you pay teachers, the fewer you
00:08:30.640 can afford. And this has obvious implications on class size. Higher compensation means we can afford
00:08:35.760 fewer teachers and fewer teachers means class sizes get bigger. Therefore it's increases to compensation,
00:08:41.440 not decreases to education funding that is causing class sizes to get bigger. And this leads us to the
00:08:47.280 most important argument today of the show, which is this, as spending on public education in Canada
00:08:53.200 has gone up, performance in our public schools has actually gone down. So PISA, which stands for
00:08:59.520 Program for International Student Assessment, is a international test coordinated every few years by
00:09:06.160 the OECD. And it's basically the gold standard for international educational performance. So this test
00:09:11.920 means business. Now, right off the bat, it's important to acknowledge, typically Canadian students have
00:09:16.800 performed pretty well on PISA. So they have ranked quite highly in comparison to other OECD countries.
00:09:23.760 And oftentimes leftists will use this to say, look, we need to defend the status quo. We need to continue
00:09:29.760 to spend more and more and more, dump more money into the same system because look, we rank highly
00:09:35.440 internationally. But a clear and obvious rebuttal to this is that Canada has been slipping. Ever since they
00:09:42.240 started benchmarking our scores in reading, science and math, Canadian student scores have been on the
00:09:48.000 decline. Consider this Canadian scores in all three subjects of reading, math and science have declined
00:09:54.240 from the respective benchmarking year to 2018. Reading has declined from 534 points to 520, mathematics from
00:10:03.200 532 points to 512 and science from 534 points to 518. So right away, that should disprove the leftist
00:10:13.600 claim that increasing education funding improves student outcomes. Because as we've seen over the
00:10:19.280 same period, education funding has increased, but our PISA scores have declined. Vincent Geloso, an economics
00:10:26.640 professor and senior economist at the Montreal Economic Institute, points out in a recent article,
00:10:32.080 Quebec data show that performance on PISA tests for mathematics has been quite stable, declining only
00:10:37.760 1.5% since 2006, even though spending per pupil has increased 18%. So Canada's been spending more
00:10:46.000 and getting worse results. Why? Here's the problem with Canada's education system. Results have been going
00:10:51.200 down despite increases in funding because Canada's public education system is a government-backed
00:10:56.800 monopoly. Canadians know that monopolies create less choice, poorer service and higher
00:11:01.200 prices. So why do we tolerate the government's monopoly over public education? In Ontario and
00:11:06.480 Atlantic provinces, if you want your tax dollars to follow your son or daughter wherever they're
00:11:11.280 going to school, you have to send them to a government school. You have no choice. However,
00:11:16.080 in other provinces, 35 to 80% of per pupil funding can follow students outside the government system.
00:11:23.120 And this leads us to the solution. Canada's public education system needs more
00:11:27.760 competition and more school choice for parents. Take a listen.
00:11:31.040 What we need to do in education is go to the full voucher system. You know,
00:11:35.360 if you ask who are the customers of education, ultimately, I think the customers are the parents,
00:11:40.320 not even the students, but the parents. The problem that we have in this country is that the customers
00:11:45.360 went away. The customers stopped paying attention to their schools for the most part. What happened was,
00:11:50.000 is that mothers started working and they didn't have time to spend at PTA meetings and watching their 0.80
00:11:54.320 kids' school. Schools became much more institutionalized. Parents spent less and less
00:11:59.920 and less time involved in their kids' education. What happens when a customer goes away and a monopoly
00:12:05.680 gets control, which is what's happened in our country, is that the service level almost always
00:12:10.880 goes down. I remember seeing a bumper sticker when the telephone company was all one, AT&T,
00:12:15.680 the Bell system. I remember seeing a bumper sticker with the Bell logo on it and it said,
00:12:20.400 we don't care. We don't have to. And that's what a monopoly is. That's what IBM was in their day.
00:12:25.920 And that's certainly what the public school system is. They don't have to care. I believe very
00:12:29.920 strongly that if the country gave each parent a voucher, a check for $4,400 that they could only
00:12:36.160 spend at any accredited school, several things would happen. Number one, schools would start
00:12:41.280 marketing themselves like crazy to parents to get students. Secondly, I think you see a lot of new
00:12:46.080 schools starting. I've suggested as an example, if you go to Stanford Business School,
00:12:49.360 they have a public policy track, they could start a school administrator track. So you could get a
00:12:53.280 bunch of people coming out of college, tying up with somebody who just got out of business school,
00:12:56.640 they could be starting their own schools. There are, as you said, many blacks today who are still
00:13:02.960 being given totally inadequate education, cannot be expected to get very far for that reason. What
00:13:08.400 would be your remedy for that? I know. Oh, that's very easy. I would allow their parents to have a choice of
00:13:16.320 where to send them to school, whether that choice is called a voucher scheme, open enrollment,
00:13:20.320 tuition tax credit, any kind of scheme of that sort. They would put that power in the hands of
00:13:25.040 their parents, mainly because that would mean that the schools would have to be responsive to them.
00:13:29.840 As it is now, the school is a monopoly. They need not be responsive. I have relatives right here in New
00:13:34.560 York, uh, whom I've had to intervene for because the schools would not even treat them decently,
00:13:40.720 much less give them access to the information they wanted that they were entitled to under the law.
00:13:45.280 It is hard for me to understand what harm is going to be done by allowing parents to have a choice
00:13:51.680 as compared to having self-interested bureaucrats have a monopoly. So if you're listening to the
00:13:56.640 podcast version of the show, you might have recognized those voices pretty famous. The first
00:14:01.200 was Steve Jobs of Apple and the second was respected economist Tom Sowell. Both were saying that the key to
00:14:08.160 more successful public education is to increase school choice for parents. If you consider that
00:14:13.440 the average per student funding in Canada in 2017 to the 2018 school year was $13,798, so close to $14,000,
00:14:23.760 and actually that went as high as $16,038 in Saskatchewan and the per student funding has only gone up since
00:14:32.080 then. Imagine if you had that money as a form of voucher where you could choose where your son or daughter
00:14:38.080 went to school. You can only imagine how that would change the incentive structures in public schools
00:14:42.640 in Canada. So as a recap of today's show, when you hear left to say that cuts to education are
00:14:47.440 hurting our kids, you can easily shut down that argument by stating that education funding in
00:14:51.680 Canada has outpaced both inflation and student enrollment. So no, cuts are not hurting our kids.
00:14:57.200 What's hurting our kids and the reason that their test scores are declining despite increased funding
00:15:01.200 to the public school system is the government monopoly over the public school system in Canada.
00:15:06.080 Reality Check, more choice, not more spending will improve education in Canada.
00:15:10.160 That's our show for this week. Thanks so much for tuning in. If you liked what you heard,
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00:15:19.360 Reality Check too. And don't forget to tune in next Wednesday for another episode. I'm Jasmine Moulton and
00:15:24.240 this is Reality Check.