Juno News - June 19, 2024


Nationwide anti-mass immigration protests planned for Canada Day


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On today's episode of the Faulkner Show, we are joined by the leader of the protests against mass immigration in Canada, Evan Duggan, and the protest leader of Take Back Canada, Ethan Duggan.

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00:00:00.000 well we all know that a majority of canadians agree that immigration in canada is far too high
00:00:09.760 we also know that immigrants in canada want to see a limit on the number of immigrants that the
00:00:14.400 trudeau government is taking in something they are clearly not doing at all right now immigration
00:00:19.680 is the biggest issue facing our country right now it should be the leading issue heading in
00:00:25.120 to the next federal election and quite frankly all of the other issues in our country are caused
00:00:30.720 almost entirely by out of control open borders mass immigration in canada but the question is
00:00:37.520 what are you going to do about this sure immigration is discussed online but our entire political class
00:00:45.120 except for one political party the people's party of canada led by maxime bernier refuse to talk about
00:00:51.520 immigration they seem afraid to talk about immigration now i believe that one of the reasons
00:00:57.600 why no one is talking about this is that we as canadians have been sold out our interests the
00:01:03.760 interests of our children and those of our future generations have been sold out by our politicians
00:01:10.640 and our media for profit and for political victory so i ask again what are you going to do about this
00:01:18.160 well our next guest is someone who has said enough is enough and he has decided to lead nationwide
00:01:25.120 protests on canada day against mass immigration in this country and against our leadership who have
00:01:31.840 brought this upon us well joining us now on the faulkner show is the leader of take back canada
00:01:37.520 ethan duggan take back canada is a group that he started to provide a voice for the majority in this
00:01:43.120 country who want to see immigration controlled even thank you so much for joining us thank you for 0.81
00:01:50.320 having me so let's just jump right into this protest because i think a lot of canadians have been waiting
00:01:56.400 for something like this a lot of canadians want to speak they want to have their voices heard and an
00:02:01.360 opportunity to stand shoulder to shoulder with their fellow canadians to address this issue
00:02:05.840 take us through canada day what you have in mind and what you would like to see
00:02:08.800 so i think you really um that's something important i think canadians are really looking for something
00:02:14.080 and i was looking for some kind of movement you know i think it's um people are really kind of
00:02:20.480 starting to realize that the direction this country is heading in is just catastrophic um people are
00:02:26.160 starting to just wake up to the reality of the policies that are in place and the fact that we
00:02:31.840 really don't you know young people like myself and people around my age don't feel like we have much
00:02:36.720 of our future at least here in canada i personally don't know very many people that at least that i
00:02:41.360 went to school with and such that aren't planning on leaving canada and i think that's tragic and
00:02:46.880 um so yeah i felt much the same way i was looking for some kind of outlet something to join to take
00:02:53.360 action and there just didn't seem to be much out there so um as the day started going by and you
00:02:59.680 know i couldn't find anything um i started to think like well someone's gotta do something
00:03:06.560 so um yeah here we are um in terms of what we're looking for on the the protests like
00:03:13.760 it's really we're trying to keep this very open to people of you know all different political stripes
00:03:19.520 um we're trying to very much be concentrated on the message of you know canadians did not consent to
00:03:26.720 this you know corporate fueled mass immigration that we're currently having um you know it's not benefiting
00:03:35.120 canadians it's very clearly profit driven by um by a pretty select um group of people in our country
00:03:43.440 and our government's just not listening to us um you know people want one an election right now um
00:03:52.880 because people are just so incredibly dissatisfied with uh with their government um in a democracy when
00:03:58.080 it gets to this point there is a precedent that you're supposed to call an election
00:04:01.680 um and in general our democracy is just not working like you know there's been so many polls on
00:04:10.000 people's opinion on the matter and the exact numbers range but it's pretty consistently from
00:04:15.120 what i've seen between 50 and 70 percent of canadians think we have too much immigration
00:04:19.200 um and yet we have you know our politicians um saying things like you know the cost of the temporary uh
00:04:29.680 immigrants is already baked in so let's make them permanent which is just you know i can't it's 1.00
00:04:35.840 almost unimaginable that uh someone in a position of power in our country could think we're that stupid
00:04:40.640 and say to us you know two plus two actually equals three it's like we're it's it's unbelievable
00:04:49.600 um just the the state of our democracy um and i believe that the government that's in power
00:04:55.840 has totally lost consent of the population to rule us in the beginning or to begin with i should say
00:05:03.200 um and that's what the protest is about is um to make it known that canadians aren't going to be
00:05:12.240 passive and just take this line down like they they typically have um we're not going to just sit
00:05:19.040 around anymore while our future is completely sold out from under us um it's time for our political
00:05:26.000 class to actually listen to us and understand that we're getting to the point we're ready to take
00:05:30.320 action and so you know i don't think canada has ever taken that step obviously you've had protests
00:05:37.040 before and it's been kind of more um you know specialized uh should say specialized it's been very specific
00:05:44.960 um political groups of people that have organized but i don't think in a very long time we've had
00:05:52.480 mass protests that represent um the will of the majority of canadians um so i think that needs to
00:05:59.360 change and i is my hope that when the people in power see that there's growing unrest um they'll maybe get
00:06:08.000 a little a little scared and um actually be responsive to the will of the people you've touched
00:06:14.880 on an important part of which is of course that the majority are with you and the majority stand on
00:06:20.480 the side of wanting to see immigration numbers lower in this country they want to have a controlled 0.99
00:06:25.920 immigration system they don't want to have just basically what we have right now which is essentially
00:06:30.080 open borders why why is it you think that this is being driven primarily by young people
00:06:38.080 and also on top of that why is it that politicians even those that claim to be conservative and those
00:06:44.400 that you know we know that the numbers on the conservative side of those who want to see a
00:06:48.960 decrease in immigration are very high but yet we don't have political representation on this issue
00:06:55.120 at a serious level of course we have the ppc but at an establishment level of the conservative party
00:07:01.760 it seems to be a non-issue whereas in other countries in the world it is a mainstream issue
00:07:07.360 let's just start with the political side of this why do you think that the conservative
00:07:12.400 establishment in canada seem to have no interest in tackling this issue well i'll start with your
00:07:17.600 your first question um which is you know why this is so driven by young people i think the answer is
00:07:23.600 very clear it's young people that are losing out um you know all the people they have their investments
00:07:29.680 they want their their real estate investments to do very well so you know and most of them have
00:07:36.880 you know moved away into the country where they're not seeing like young people are in the cities because
00:07:41.120 they need jobs and that's where the jobs are and so it's right in our faces and it's also our futures that
00:07:48.240 are just being you know given away more or less just destroyed all so that's you know um a select number
00:07:57.840 of massive corporations can have really cheap labor and people who own investment properties can you know
00:08:06.480 see their investments grow massively um and also of course there's the the corporate investors like
00:08:11.920 corporations that purchase um uh real estate um and i think that's why it's it's young people it's
00:08:19.440 because we're the ones that have something at stake here and we're also the ones that are
00:08:23.520 um living in the places where it's right in our faces um i think that's the reason for that
00:08:29.520 in terms of the political representation i mean it's no secret like
00:08:33.120 it's become such a taboo in our society and our culture and western culture in general um to talk
00:08:42.320 about immigration you know the the term racism the term xenophobia gets thrown around with this and
00:08:50.560 we're really at a state where you know it feels to a lot of people like it's not safe to just have
00:08:57.920 a healthy discussion about the policies that affect all of our lives and affect our country
00:09:03.120 um and i think that to some extent the uh the conservative party is is sensitive to that i've seen
00:09:12.960 some people theorize that they're so ahead in the polls you know why touch immigration um but you
00:09:19.280 know we've also seen videos of pierre povie um speaking like he's basically not going to do anything
00:09:27.600 about the about the immigration issue in fact he's going to help people um bring over family members
00:09:34.240 and um help people get their prs and stuff um i think that's horribly concerning um and i think that
00:09:44.160 the conservatives if they think that they can you know operate that way when they get in power and
00:09:50.560 have those policies and that people will kind of you know just vote for them and give them a chance
00:09:57.280 and be content that maybe they'll do something while they continue to not do anything
00:10:02.800 um you know just look at the look at the tories in the uk um now they might be looking to the tories
00:10:09.360 in uk and thinking oh they have 14 years um just making fools out of their of their voters
00:10:15.760 um so you know we can ride that that's about as long as any canadian government can hope to have
00:10:20.560 in the first place um but i think that canadians see that example people are becoming a lot more
00:10:27.280 politically aware of what's going on in the world around them and i don't think we're going to be
00:10:33.120 tricked for this in the same way definitely nowhere near as long um if they if they do that so i think
00:10:40.240 that they should uh you know at this point it's so sad so many canadians are hoping that the people
00:10:47.280 they're voting for are being dishonest we hope that they're ignoring this issue and even you know
00:10:53.760 saying they'll um do things that will worsen it um to get in power i think that's a horribly sad state
00:10:59.920 of affairs that we have to hope our politicians are being dishonest i think they should grow up
00:11:05.200 and they should be honest and not be afraid i think that honesty is the best policy
00:11:09.360 you know do and say what you think is right yeah and don't be afraid right like why would we want
00:11:16.000 to have a leader who is afraid of being called racist or xenophobic by people that hate him anyway
00:11:22.080 right it's the media and the liberals and his opposition that are going to attack him that way
00:11:26.480 but who cares they're the opposition they're they are going to attack you but this is the issue of the
00:11:30.880 moment so i completely agree with you ethan why why are leaders there they i don't want to vote for
00:11:37.120 someone who's afraid of being called names by his own political opposition i want to vote with for
00:11:42.160 someone who has some courage now eventually and it's not it is eventual because it's just going to be
00:11:47.840 what it is going to be people who protest against immigration on canada day there are going to be
00:11:53.120 those that call it racist that say these guys are are uh you know they they don't want they don't want
00:11:58.880 to have foreigners in the country they're they're stoking uh you know xenophobia how do you plan
00:12:05.200 as a leader of this group to to tackle those accusations because you know they're going to come
00:12:11.840 well i think it's i think it's clear first of all what i've noticed which has been really encouraging
00:12:17.600 um and almost you know funny in a way is that some of the people that seem most serious about the cause
00:12:23.760 when i'm out and i'm actually putting up posters um like in the city the people that come up to me are
00:12:30.880 immigrants um some of them you know from 20 plus years ago some of them from just five years ago 1.00
00:12:35.920 that you know tell me they they agree with the cause and they don't like what's going on right now
00:12:40.800 um i think that i i really hope to have a lot of those type of folks show up um and you're totally
00:12:49.760 right we we can't avoid that people are going to call us names we also can't avoid that there's going to
00:12:54.160 be some genuinely distasteful people that come to this cause but i think that you know this belief
00:13:01.680 that people have or this tendency people have to you know change their opinion because certain people
00:13:09.680 that hold an opinion you know just the the general stance that this immigration policy is not working
00:13:14.800 we need less immigration you know of course there's going to be people who hate immigrants hate people
00:13:23.200 of of certain races that are going to agree with that sentiment but is that going to mean you know that
00:13:29.760 you you run away from from what you believe personally because you're going to let those people
00:13:35.760 um decide that just because you agree on some general point it's like we all we all drink water we all agree
00:13:41.840 for the most part that i don't know let's say murderers should go to jail um i'm sure there's
00:13:48.880 some really horrible people that also drink water and believe that murderers should go to jail but are
00:13:54.400 you going to um associate that belief solely with those people and then um hold the opposite beliefs so
00:14:02.960 i think that you know it's we're entering into a time that's going to get messy i think that people need
00:14:10.400 to realize that this is the decade we've already seen it and i think covid was just kind of a coincidence
00:14:15.440 and not really the cause of of this happening i think the 2020s is always the decade that history started again
00:14:22.320 um i think you know that we've seen that in so many things i think the biggest thing is the war in ukraine
00:14:28.480 was you know is something that people didn't think it was just unthinkable and then very quickly with that
00:14:36.400 the unthinkable became reality and the um just the seemingly completely impossible became plausible
00:14:44.080 and i think we're only going to see more and more of that um this decade and 2030s and the 2040s
00:14:50.400 um i think this world that we've lived in since uh the collapse of the soya union of you know just
00:14:56.880 the world feeling like a relatively safe place obviously history has happened 9 11 happened the wars in
00:15:02.000 the middle east happened um you know not to belittle those but in terms of their effect on the world
00:15:08.640 and especially their effect on us we don't understand the the western psyche the canadian psyche people
00:15:16.880 don't get that history can still happen those massive events you you read about in uh in history books
00:15:24.960 they're coming again that's a good point it's a good point because of course if this just continues
00:15:31.760 if this if we just continue with this mass immigration agenda there will be a backlash which
00:15:38.320 i don't think anyone wants to see it's not canadian it's not how we approach uh domestic issues in our
00:15:44.400 country so it's now it is the right time and frankly it was it was a few years ago before it started but
00:15:50.000 we're now at a point where politicians have to address this issue and put an end to it
00:15:54.800 to stop bad things from happening no one wants to see a a serious backlash and unless this issue is
00:16:01.440 taken seriously like like you are right now with take back canada things are going to get very very
00:16:07.760 scary for for canadians now before the protest has already started you've already received pushback
00:16:13.760 because your group was banned from reddit if i'm not mistaken what happened there why why did why
00:16:19.360 did take back canada get get banned from reddit um and what have you guys done since to remedy that
00:16:25.600 and to get your message out yeah so um that was i won't give them i won't dignify them by by naming
00:16:32.480 them but uh there was a certain other group of people on reddit that made it their mission basically
00:16:39.520 and we have receipts we have the uh the screenshots of them discussing it um people can i think it's
00:16:45.280 they're floating around some other um somewhat adjacent subreddits a lot of people have seen but
00:16:51.680 we got brigaded um we were you know we're we're all new to this um we're new to even starting a
00:17:00.160 a subreddit and i was speaking to the owner of another subreddit recently um i didn't realize that
00:17:07.040 you could actually make it so that when someone submits a post in your subreddit it doesn't get posted right
00:17:12.400 away and you actually have to a moderate history review beforehand we were trying to moderate you
00:17:17.120 know people who just post whatever and then we were going and trying to moderate after the fact
00:17:20.240 we didn't have you know necessarily um the manpower to do that effectively um when people were brigading
00:17:26.560 us and yeah there was some pretty important stuff on there um i believe certainly no it's hard to say
00:17:33.360 i definitely imagine there was some genuinely um just unsavory people saying some unsavory things
00:17:41.120 but most of it was just so outlandish and you know you can tell when someone's saying something
00:17:47.840 to be as outrageous as possible that uh yeah it was mostly a result of brigading and then they
00:17:54.480 um you know post that and then of course mass report and uh it is what it is um we're trying to get our
00:18:01.440 message out in other ways um again this is i'm very new to this um the people that i've been
00:18:10.960 able to build a bit of a team around are also completely new to this um we're we're trying
00:18:19.120 we'll uh we'll have missteps we'll make mistakes we'll we'll um you know have setbacks but you know
00:18:28.080 i know for myself that i'm i'm completely dedicated to this um the way i see it people in this country
00:18:35.600 before me people that came before me they went to war and they put their lives on the line and they
00:18:39.760 died many of them for this country and you know the least i can do is is this um absolutely and it
00:18:48.000 sounds like this it sounds like this reddit this reddit banning had nothing obviously it was it was
00:18:52.960 outside groups trying to sabotage what you were trying to do something that is genuinely important
00:18:58.400 for the future of the country um and i i don't think i'm alone in saying that now where can canadians
00:19:05.040 find out how to engage with this protest where can canadians uh either start one of these protests
00:19:10.720 in their city using what you've built and using your um using your posters how can canadians interact
00:19:16.080 with this so they can they can get involved themselves so first thing you can do is we just started our x
00:19:21.440 accounts um uh at take back canada x um there's not not a lot on there right now but that's going to be
00:19:28.000 kind of the main outlet that we that we put out news and then as well as our our website take back
00:19:32.560 canada.info um our biggest focus right now of course besides um besides the protest itself i'm just
00:19:40.000 trying to garner um some uh you know put the word out there about that is building more of a dedicated
00:19:46.960 team we had a lot of people that have shown interest and wanting to help um but what's much harder to find
00:19:52.960 is people that are truly dedicated and reliable and mature and competent um to you know be just
00:20:02.000 part of the the overall um sorry i should say the core team and organizing or to organize the local
00:20:10.000 protests we're looking to have we do have some um and we're looking to keep finding uh local leaders
00:20:17.040 who are who can lead kind of groups in their city who are going to be you know really doing the
00:20:22.240 on the ground you know putting out posters and things like that right now people can go to take
00:20:26.800 back canada.info and they can um in the top bar there's a link uh to download posters and they can
00:20:33.200 download posters and start putting them up themselves um that's a big thing you can do to to help um
00:20:40.000 right away i i really believe in you know getting the word out in person i believe that you know online
00:20:48.080 was the internet was supposed to be you know the the way we all connect and get to reach out to each
00:20:54.480 other and definitely it's it's amazing for that in some ways but people also kind of build an echo
00:21:00.400 chamber chamber for themselves in terms of people they follow and um what they choose to see and then
00:21:06.080 the algorithms that will keep feeding the same things to them so um we really believe in on the ground
00:21:13.040 um tactics and and work and uh that's what i'm trying to foster here so if you're really interested
00:21:18.800 in um becoming part of leadership either at the the overall you know you can call it exec team level
00:21:27.200 although we're not so official yet um or you know starting your own local group or joining a local group
00:21:34.000 then please go to our website at the bottom there is a form you can fill out um and just indicate such
00:21:39.600 in uh in the form and we will uh we will get back to you and anyone watching this on youtube or
00:21:45.440 facebook or rumble will be able to find links to both the twitter page the x account uh for take
00:21:51.600 back canada and their website in the description of this video you kind of hinted at it a little bit
00:21:56.480 before that ethan but i want to ask you obviously the protest is just one part of this what what you're
00:22:02.720 trying to start do you have any plans for uh after canada day what what the plan is for what you want
00:22:08.000 to what you want to try to accomplish after the protest i mean we're not we're not stopping um
00:22:14.480 this this isn't just a july 1st protest so we don't have any other protests pennsyland any pennsyland
00:22:19.440 for any certain dates um but we certainly will i'll be holding more protests and i'm sure we'll learn
00:22:24.960 some lessons with how these ones go whether they're you know a shocking success that we can never
00:22:30.240 imagine or whether you know i show up to queen's park and i'm just sitting there with a sign um
00:22:34.880 um it uh it doesn't matter we won't be deterred so um definitely more protests but i believe in
00:22:43.120 you know being creative and finding other ways to to save our country and that really has to be the
00:22:47.600 goal that has to be the thought process is what can we do to save our country needs to be believed that
00:22:51.600 we can because again i believe that you know like i said before history is happening again and whether
00:22:58.400 people realize it or not and that is a very scary thing but it can also be a very hopeful thing for people
00:23:04.880 like well for majority of the majority of canadians i believe that kind of felt stuck in our political
00:23:09.680 system like that are you know just as the time has gone on our governments become less and less
00:23:14.320 responsive to you know the actual world of people as has been common in um most of the western world
00:23:21.200 um the fact that things are happening again that are significant is you know represents an opportunity
00:23:28.400 then that's we can actually affect change right now um i'm getting a little sidetracked uh
00:23:35.280 worries the last question i have for you i'm sorry i mean let me there was more i have to answer what
00:23:41.440 was the original question again let me just what your plan is what you want to do after the after
00:23:46.320 canada day yes so one of the other things that i think is really important is just educating people so
00:23:53.360 um doing door-to-door work um you know handing out pamphlets uh really you know i want to build a team
00:24:01.040 of people that um really understand the issues understand also just in general economics at a
00:24:08.400 at a very advanced level um and demographics and such and really for for our own sake understand the full
00:24:17.760 uh extent of you know what's going on and kind of projecting forward precisely what can be expected to happen
00:24:25.200 um given various scenarios um and how they will play out and you know from that educate people
00:24:34.240 um in the public and again i think that online is a terrible way to do that well it's it's not
00:24:40.640 it's a very important thing that you should do as well but i think that it has serious limitations
00:24:44.480 in terms of you know we've just been so conditioned to you know not trust what we see online if it
00:24:51.600 doesn't agree if it doesn't conform to our current worldview already and if it does then to trust it
00:24:57.360 absolutely um and i think there's just an air of dishonesty um when you see something online you just
00:25:03.840 don't trust it very much um so i think that you know on the ground um talking to people um door knocking
00:25:12.320 even just leaving uh pamphlets on at people's doors and things is uh is very important absolutely
00:25:19.120 and uh the last question i have for you it's sort of right back near to the beginning of our
00:25:23.920 conversation which was what was what was the moment that you decided you wanted to actually do something
00:25:29.680 and you wanted to take on the responsibility of of starting an organization to actually tackle this
00:25:35.920 issue because i think a lot of young canadians as you pointed out are feeling hopeless they are
00:25:41.440 lacking some direction they want to do something but they don't know where to start so for you what
00:25:44.960 was the what was the moment that you decided i'm going to do something and i'm going to try to fix this
00:25:50.080 country it was really um i i honestly almost couldn't tell you like i was for for so long just focused on
00:26:00.640 on my job and my life and you know trying to get by and trying to plan for the future and um
00:26:06.000 um you know uh just just my life and i just uh i i work right next to a diploma mill so i see some some
00:26:17.600 pretty shocking things um so it's been increasingly kind of in my face and one night i just got curious
00:26:26.160 started looking up um you know just what was going on and i was honestly shocked at how quickly our
00:26:34.240 population has gone up um i still can't believe we're at over 40 million people i think over 41 now
00:26:41.040 um and i just realized like oh this isn't getting any better um this isn't just a housing bubble that
00:26:50.480 we're in that's going to pop you know the the price of housing isn't right now primarily fueled by people
00:26:57.120 speculating on it as an asset although that is of course happening but it's it's basic supply and demand and
00:27:02.960 um the rate we're going it's never going to get better and you know just this general feeling of
00:27:12.320 understanding that these are not the the times ahead are not the peaceful happy times that i've
00:27:19.200 grown up in since since the day i was born and just kind of looking within myself am i going to
00:27:27.120 do anything about that or am i not going to do anything about that you know i think we all like
00:27:31.920 to look back at moments in history and think you know what would i have done i would have been like
00:27:36.960 like these people or joined that or whatever and i truly believe i find myself living in a in a moment
00:27:45.440 like that that might not you know fully feel that way to to people but i think it's i think people are
00:27:54.000 very quickly starting to realize that uh all is far far from well so that's that was kind of the moment
00:28:02.880 that was not that long ago that was um uh i would say mid may so uh yeah you're a fast worker well even
00:28:11.920 duggan thank you for speaking to us and i think a lot of canadians will want to see what happens they'll
00:28:18.080 want to get involved and i will certainly be at queen's park on canada day covering the protest so
00:28:24.800 even duggan thank you so much for coming on thank you