Juno News - July 18, 2020


Nazi analogies are ridiculous and lazy


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The Alberta Federation of Labour President Gil McGowan uses hyperbole to compare Jason Kenney to Joseph Goebbels and compares the United Conservative Party of Alberta to Nazi Germany. It's not hyperbole, it's pure insanity.

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00:00:00.000 So I know it's pretty fashionable to compare everyone to Nazis or to Hitler, but when Alberta
00:00:12.140 Federation of Labour President Gil McGowan does it by comparing Jason Kenney to Joseph Goebbels,
00:00:18.200 that's when I think we have a serious problem. It's not just hyperbole, it's not just ridiculous,
00:00:22.460 you know, over-dramatization of speech, it's actually ridiculous. And I want to talk about
00:00:28.080 that today because this is something that seriously needs to stop. So here we have a story,
00:00:32.220 the tweets apparently are down, so I had to pull up the news story. But here we have Gil McGowan
00:00:36.120 saying, Hitler's propaganda, Chief Joseph Goebbels famously said, always accuse your enemies of what
00:00:39.520 you're doing yourself. That's exactly what's going on with Jason Kenney's union-busting Bill 32,
00:00:44.100 it's the UCP and its corporate friends who are gaming the system. And then he even doubles down
00:00:48.140 and says, and yes, I'm accusing the UCP of adopting tactics pioneered by the Nazis and being implemented
00:00:53.300 by right-wing authoritarians today, Hungary, Turkey, Brazil, India, Trump's America, these are all
00:00:57.760 countries led by authoritarians who Kenney calls friends. So, very, very ridiculous. I want to talk
00:01:04.120 about why it's ridiculous, though, for a couple of reasons. Number one, it really lowers the level
00:01:08.380 of our political discourse. I mean, the main issue here is, when you compare someone to the Nazis,
00:01:14.180 you compare someone to Hitler, there's nowhere to go from there. Hitler was probably the worst person 0.94
00:01:18.880 that there was, and did probably the most atrocious things. Now, I understand it's easy to compare it to
00:01:23.620 them because that's just a good catch-all for being bad, but when you compare someone to Hitler,
00:01:29.180 you basically compare them to the worst of the worst, to evil of evil. And so, where do you go from there?
00:01:33.920 If Jason Kenney's Hitler, what happens if Jason Kenney were to hypothetically start actually rounding 0.78
00:01:38.280 up people, putting them in, you know, gas chambers, murdering them, making certain people wear different 0.98
00:01:43.240 colored clothing to identify themselves? What are you going to call him then? Oh, he's super Hitler? 0.94
00:01:47.280 Hitler? He's gone super Saiyan Hitler? Like, that's, this is the ridiculous part. So, it lowers our
00:01:52.660 political discourse, and the main issue is that there's nowhere left to go. There's nowhere left
00:01:56.980 to go from there. Second, it's intellectually lazy by doing that. Again, it's sort of like a catch-all.
00:02:03.220 Third, words have actual meanings. Again, you can't just say that someone is a Nazi because you feel
00:02:09.060 like calling them Nazis. Even if he's adopting some Goebbels tactic, your message is going to get lost,
00:02:14.600 but without providing proof of what is actually happening, that's just so, so intellectually lazy
00:02:20.160 and words actually have meanings, you have to stick to them. It's also, in addition, it's
00:02:25.040 reprehensible to anyone who suffered under the Nazi regime. And I don't just mean Jews. I mean,
00:02:29.320 literally anyone who suffered under the Nazi regime. It sort of diminishes their suffering,
00:02:32.820 saying that Jason Kenney wanting to bust a union is just like concentration camps. It's just like
00:02:38.080 sterilizing people with disabilities. It's just like having political prisoners murdered. It's just the 0.99
00:02:43.660 same as that because Gil McGowan says that, you know, it's no problem. They're all doing just like
00:02:48.440 Nazi stuff over there in Alberta. It's just crazy like Nazi Germany, Alberta. The other thing is that
00:02:54.060 it also is really diminishing a level of conversation that we require among our leaders. I expect our
00:03:01.220 leaders to fight for their issues. So he has a constituency. He's a trade union boss. I have no
00:03:05.820 problem with that. He's arguing for his members, but that's not the kind of conversation that you need.
00:03:10.780 All he's done now is set back that cause, set back that dialogue and set back that debate.
00:03:15.660 So if I were a member of the union, I'd be super angry right now because instead of talking about
00:03:20.560 the issue, like I have no, I'm not from Alberta. I have no idea what bill 32 is. I have no idea what's
00:03:24.660 going on. That's how important it is to have important conversations with rational thought and
00:03:31.760 use proper words because now all I know about this guy is that he is using some crazy hyperbole to call
00:03:38.280 Jason Kenney, Joseph Goebbels and a Nazi. So if she was totally gone, maybe I would have supported 0.95
00:03:42.940 bill 32, uh, supported his, his action against bill 32, or maybe I would have supported bill 32,
00:03:46.940 who knows? But now all I know is that he's, you know, behaving like a Nazi tool. So let's stop
00:03:52.240 using Nazi analogies. Let's use proper words for things. Let's not be ridiculous in our speech and
00:03:58.740 call people Nazis because it's so intellectually lazy. And again, in short, it just, there's nowhere left
00:04:03.900 to go. Once you call someone Hitler, that's it. If everybody's Hitler, nobody's Hitler and the word
00:04:09.560 has no meaning. So let's think about that. For True North, I'm Sam Ashkenazi. Have yourself
00:04:14.600 a great day and let's not use Nazi analogies. Thanks.