Juno News - August 27, 2025


NO SETTLERS： How Canada is setting up an apartheid system


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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you
00:00:06.480 today, folks, and I want to thank today's sponsor, which is Albertans Against No Fault Insurance,
00:00:11.180 but more on them later. So as viewers may know, or maybe you don't, I am originally from British
00:00:17.080 Columbia. I was born and raised in Vancouver. I lived in the suburb of Keresdale, which is sort
00:00:21.700 of right in the middle of old Vancouver. When I was a little older, we moved down to Tawasson,
00:00:26.740 where I lived for a few years. I eventually went to high school on Vancouver Island,
00:00:30.660 and then I basically, I went away to university. I went to the University of Alberta. After
00:00:34.840 university, I lived in Vancouver for a very short time. My first job out of university was at the
00:00:39.660 Fraser Institute in Vancouver. So I worked there in 2007. I'm showing off how old I am right now,
00:00:45.260 2007, and then I went to graduate school, and I haven't lived in Vancouver since. I haven't lived
00:00:49.520 there in nearly 20 years. My parents are still out there. My siblings and their families live there,
00:00:54.520 so I visit every year, two times a year sometimes, but I don't live there anymore. So I can't really
00:00:58.980 say that I am a British Columbian anymore, although I am very connected to the province because I grew
00:01:04.040 up there. My family's there. And, you know, it shaped who I am. I love nature. I love spending time
00:01:08.520 outside. And I still, in some ways, you know, am of British Columbia. But nowadays, when I watch what
00:01:15.200 is happening in that province, I'm shocked. I can't believe it. It's like watching a dystopian
00:01:20.720 movie or like a novel about how governments are just heading in the totally wrong direction. It
00:01:27.360 is almost like a farcical example of how things go too far under woke governance. So we're going to
00:01:33.740 dive into that a little bit today, specifically to talk about Joffrey Lake Park, which is a provincial
00:01:39.900 park north of Whistler, up past Pemberton. It's just an absolutely stunning, beautiful part of the
00:01:45.760 province. And you may have been following this story a little bit. So back in April, it was
00:01:51.820 announced by the B.C. government that the Joffrey Lakes Park would be closed to non-Indigenous
00:01:56.880 visitors for 17 days. Yes, you heard that correctly. If you were not Indigenous, you could not step foot
00:02:02.620 in this provincial park. There was a second closure that happened earlier this summer. In June, for 15 more
00:02:09.360 days, the park was closed to everybody but First Nations. So if you are white or if you are an
00:02:16.040 immigrant to Canada, you were not allowed in the park. Yes, in Canada in 2025, we are now blocking
00:02:22.040 public spaces based on race, based on skin color, based on creed. That doesn't sound a lot like Canada,
00:02:28.160 doesn't sound like a free country. Well, it's happening again. In September, the province has now
00:02:32.220 announced a 32-day closure on this park. So I want to try to understand what is happening a little bit
00:02:40.500 more. And I'm pleased to invite a new guest on the program, never had her on before, talking to
00:02:44.240 Caroline Elliott. Caroline is a Senior Fellow at the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy, and she sits
00:02:49.200 on the board of B.C.'s Public Land Use Society. So, Caroline, welcome to the program. Thank you so much
00:02:54.600 for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. So I think if it wasn't for your social media presence,
00:03:00.240 we wouldn't know about how wild some of this stuff is. You've done a great job of cataloging it. So
00:03:06.140 can you just explain to the viewer, like, what is happening? What is the rationale? Why is this
00:03:11.240 happening? Thank you. Yeah, I think a lot of this flies under the radar, and it really shouldn't,
00:03:16.100 because I would argue this is probably the single biggest issue facing British Columbia in terms of
00:03:22.120 its future, its cohesiveness, its prosperity. This particular file and the way the provincial government
00:03:29.340 is handling it has been absolutely disastrous. It's causing huge uncertainty from private property
00:03:36.000 to investment to just where we stand as British Columbians amongst one another, and how we relate
00:03:40.860 to one another. So it's really, really troubling. With Joffrey Lakes, obviously, you've got two
00:03:46.440 Indigenous groups there who claim title to the land that the park is on. Keep in mind, claiming title is
00:03:52.920 different than actually proving your title in court. So right now, it's provincial land, it's public land,
00:03:59.100 it's a provincial park that's loved by British Columbians, and it's been shut down with the
00:04:03.380 provincial government's endorsement, essentially. It's an increasing number every year, 39 days in
00:04:10.800 2023. It was 60 days last year, and now we're at 69 days. So you can see where the trend is going.
00:04:16.680 Again, these are just two nations asserting title over one area. There's 200 plus First Nations in BC,
00:04:23.240 and virtually the entirety of the province's landmass is claimed as traditional territory by one nation or
00:04:28.920 another. So you can see why I'm kind of so troubled by where this could end up going in terms of accessing
00:04:37.780 the landmass as a whole across British Columbia. And so what is their justification? Like, why is it that
00:04:43.180 these bands are claiming that they have to have full access to the park that no one else can come
00:04:48.240 there? Well, they're sort of, the way they explain this, they want to do some cultural practices in
00:04:54.860 the park, they want to hunt, they want to harvest. So quite aside from the notion of hunting in a
00:05:01.300 provincial park, which a lot of people might be a little bit uncomfortable with, it's more an issue of
00:05:07.020 can we actually be shutting down provincial parks on the basis of ethnicity in British Columbia?
00:05:12.160 Yeah, that's the real fundamental question. The provincial government seems to think that's
00:05:16.280 just fine. We had the minister responsible, the Minister of Indigenous Relations, Spencer Chandra
00:05:21.720 Herbert, on a radio show, just talk recently about how he thinks that is just fine. So expect more of
00:05:29.580 these is the issue. And I think what's really happened is the province has set this tone, right?
00:05:34.180 They, one of their, one of the NDP MLAs stood in the legislature and encouraged British Columbians to
00:05:40.580 refer to themselves as settlers and colonizers and uninvited guests on Indigenous land. Talking about
00:05:47.060 British Columbia as a whole, well, what does that do to citizens? How does it make us view ourselves in
00:05:52.340 relation to one another? Is it an absolute recipe for conflict?
00:05:56.140 Well, it seems like a cult, okay? From an outsider's perspective, when you hear people say,
00:06:00.340 I am an uninvited visitor, an uninvited guest on this land, it makes me feel like they're part of
00:06:06.400 some kind of weird cult that I don't want anything to do with. And part of the problem, I think,
00:06:11.500 Caroline, is the way that the media covers this. It always makes it seem totally reasonable,
00:06:15.940 totally justified, and if anything, that the government isn't making enough concessions.
00:06:19.760 So Vancouver Sun article on August 21st, just last week, colonial decision-making. First Nations
00:06:26.400 denounced the Joffrey Lake's closure as too short. It's too short. So like you said, every, every year
00:06:32.320 they're adding another 20 days to the amount of time that they can ban people from a park based on
00:06:37.380 their skin color. And according to this headline in the Vancouver Sun, it's colonial decision-making.
00:06:42.480 I want to play a little montage of just how this is covered by the legacy media. Again,
00:06:48.900 they make it seem like the First Nations are being totally reasonable. This is totally normal
00:06:52.000 in a Western liberal democracy. And if anything, it's just that they're not getting enough time.
00:06:57.540 Let's play that clip. A popular BC park is facing closures in the coming months as local First Nations
00:07:03.720 Reconnect with the land. The Lilwen and Neuquaqua nations have announced that Joffrey Lake's Park
00:07:09.360 will be closed to visitors. The province says the park will be closed to the public September 2nd to
00:07:14.100 October 3rd. It's the second closure this year, a total of 68 days, a little more than half of what
00:07:20.700 the nations wanted. The upcoming month long closure was only about half of what the nations wanted.
00:07:27.140 And Friday, dozens of demonstrators blocked the access road to the park
00:07:31.560 the beating of drums and singing plays out during a ceremony behind this bins and vehicles form a
00:07:42.260 barricade so you get the theme there which is basically just that this this was only half of
00:07:47.600 the time they wanted so really it's just more than reasonable what do you what do you make of
00:07:51.180 the media coverage out there well look um we have to start from the very simple premise that
00:07:57.100 bc's provincial parks belong to all british colombians so a day-long closure on the basis
00:08:03.400 of one's ethnicity is frankly wrong it's just not permissible in a liberal society where everyone
00:08:10.400 has the right to access the same things as everyone else does uh so you know they could have asked for
00:08:16.180 a year-long closure and gotten six months and they still might be mad or you could ask for a decade
00:08:20.380 long closure and get five years the length of time requested doesn't make the government's acquiescence
00:08:24.760 to close it at all right right so that's a that's a really critical thing um you know speaking of the
00:08:30.960 the commentary by some of those protesters uh it wasn't in the clips you played but there were some
00:08:35.320 who said no number of visitors is acceptable right so you know and and keep in mind when they are
00:08:41.340 protesting there they're shutting down a crucial uh route highway 99 through there that a lot i used
00:08:47.260 that route this summer going up to some areas in the interior of bc it's a very busy route families
00:08:51.940 are stuck in their cars with their kids on hot days because uh of of because of frankly i think it is
00:08:58.140 the the expectations the province has actually set for first nations you talk about stolen land you talk
00:09:04.200 about uh the province being steeped in colonialism you talk about settlers you talk about uninvited guests
00:09:10.500 well guess what now first nations you can almost not blame them for saying well look like you're saying
00:09:16.320 all this stuff we're going to take you at your word and we're going to go do this stuff
00:09:19.340 and so i i really think that the frustration has to be directed right at the squarely at the
00:09:25.380 provincial government for setting the stage for this in the first place they've really created a
00:09:29.380 chaotic situation where it's really hard to tell who's in control anymore you're right because it's
00:09:34.760 sort of like it's it's virtue signaling and they're just using all of the correct left-wing buzzwords
00:09:40.620 but people take that literally and seriously and it's like okay uh you're settlers so this is our line
00:09:46.700 not yours i want to talk a little bit about this bc uh like you mentioned highway 99 blockades
00:09:52.740 um because again you can see in the media coverage there they're sort of like celebrating these blockades
00:09:57.060 as some kind of beautiful cultural moment like i'm old enough to remember when tamara litch was put on trial
00:10:02.940 uh for you know blocking traffic and that was the whole thing that it was that she was being a menace and that
00:10:09.060 it was mischief um for blocking the highway well here you see first nations blocking the highway so
00:10:14.540 this was friday august 22nd first nations halt traffic on a bc highway over disrespectful joffrey
00:10:20.900 lakes closure members of these two first nations held a ceremony blocking the highway near pemberton bc
00:10:26.220 on friday to voice frustration with the province's plan to limit the upcoming closure of the parks so
00:10:32.700 they want to have more access to the parks without anybody else they didn't get exactly what they
00:10:37.740 wanted and so this is sort of like a collective temper tantrum that they're holding except for
00:10:43.660 again you know it's their right to protest and the media celebrate it where we know um when there's
00:10:49.440 other kinds of closures like this they don't they don't treat it um quite the same way what do you
00:10:53.240 make of that well you know you look at one of the signs that the protesters was holding in that clip
00:10:58.160 you you just showed where it says bc has no jurisdiction uh that is you know and we're
00:11:04.140 talking about a provincial highway a critical route again families and cars like i have a five-year-old
00:11:08.920 and an eight-year-old and that drive is so long to actually get to that area in the first place
00:11:13.780 literally nothing in between for for long long stretches of time no gas station no brakes suddenly
00:11:18.980 you're stopped in the middle of the highway like it it actually really frustrates me to see that
00:11:23.200 uh as a parent let alone you know the the other kind of broader philosophical issues of the societal
00:11:28.820 problems of what's going on here um but that bc has no jurisdiction sign is really uh it's really
00:11:34.600 important to actually focus in on that i think because what bc is actually doing across the across
00:11:39.880 the entire province is actually um abdicating their jurisdiction over huge swaths of land uh you see it
00:11:46.740 with the sechelt foundation agreement uh we're talking about 1.2 acres of public land that's going to be
00:11:51.740 subject to all kinds of decision making some of which where the province is not at the table at
00:11:55.400 all again decision making over public land by groups that now know that um only a very tiny
00:12:01.420 proportion of indigenous british colombians actually have a role in electing uh you have uh the the
00:12:07.160 the agreement up in uh the with the tukotan nation over a large area of land where their consents
00:12:12.160 require to permit any mines happening like this is happening everywhere uh it's happening up and down
00:12:17.020 the the sunshine coast uh or sorry the um sea to sky corridor as well so it's really troubling to see
00:12:24.180 i don't see how this ends anywhere but in a very very divisive place well i think we're already there
00:12:30.020 and to uh you know canadians across the country watching you know in disbelief what's happening
00:12:35.280 british columbia it's not just in british columbia there was a story last week in the cbc about
00:12:39.900 manitoba first nations barring non-indigenous hunters from crown land so it might be starting in british
00:12:46.200 columbia but it's happening everywhere and in large part it comes from this united nations
00:12:52.300 declaration undrip which a lot of people you know believe that it is a good step towards reconciliation
00:12:59.840 bc has embraced this and signed it basically into law and there was some polling done by angus reed that
00:13:07.760 shows that british columbians are divided over undrip equal numbers say it's a necessary step and equal
00:13:13.700 numbers say it goes too far to limit provincial authority i imagine if more people really read
00:13:19.200 it and understood what prior informed consent means because that is what is required with these bans and
00:13:25.360 there's there's never enough consultations right you can consult all day and they'll still say
00:13:29.340 that there wasn't enough consultation it basically gives first nations a veto and it basically does
00:13:35.580 hand over control of the land we saw this caroline with a recent court case that we covered extensively
00:13:41.260 on this show with cowachin so folks uh this is in richmond british columbia which is part of
00:13:46.540 vancouver it is where the vancouver airport is it is the suburb right in the middle of vancouver and
00:13:52.760 there was a ruling that found that some 800 acres now belongs to this cowachin valley even though
00:13:59.200 cowachin is on vancouver island so this tribe came and did their hunting um and because of that claim
00:14:05.440 this was actually found you know caroline at the top you were saying that the joffrey lakes closures
00:14:09.640 was happening just over a land claim and not found to be their land title in court well this one was
00:14:15.120 found in court and i feel like that is a scary direction um that we are headed uh there was an
00:14:20.900 article in the uh vancouver sun written by a former treaty negotiator and lawyer robin junger basically
00:14:28.960 saying that the bc government through the cowachin land ruling that they didn't make the strongest
00:14:33.600 arguments perhaps intentionally uh what did you make of that ruling yeah so that ruling is huge
00:14:40.820 and i think uh if there's any good to come of it and it's very scarce that amount of good but if
00:14:47.300 there's any good it's the fact that the public is finally realized what realizing what's at stake
00:14:51.500 with the policy direction taken by this provincial government uh it's really thrown the entire basis
00:14:56.220 of property ownership under a cloud of confusion and uncertainty obviously that's the kind of bedrock of
00:15:02.240 how we you know how we how we run our economy how we how we own our land as homeowners or whatever
00:15:07.320 like this is a a real real issue so they declared aboriginal title over private land in the province
00:15:12.320 that's the first time that's ever been done by a court mind you the provincial government set the tone
00:15:17.480 for doing this which was referenced in the court decision by overlaying aboriginal title on private
00:15:23.220 land in the case of their haida agreement uh which is a whole other issue uh but but they're basically
00:15:28.640 laying the groundwork for exactly these rulings they also excuse me as uh robin younger pointed
00:15:33.880 out in the column you mentioned they did they kind of had the bc's lawyers fighting with one hand
00:15:38.220 tied behind their back because they had issued a directive under david eby who's now premier but
00:15:43.380 when he was attorney general he'd actually issued a directive telling uh government lawyers you can't
00:15:48.260 argue certain arguments to protect private property or it wouldn't have been worded that way but
00:15:53.560 essentially they weren't able to make the best arguments that that that enabled them to depend
00:15:58.420 private property uh so shockingly uh private property now is uh under a great deal of uncertainty
00:16:05.060 so um this is absolutely initiated led by and sort of the circumstances created for exactly this kind
00:16:15.420 of ruling by this provincial government it's really quite interesting to see them run from it and
00:16:19.620 suddenly say oh we're going to appeal it we're we're really worried about private property too
00:16:23.440 when they laid this very groundwork they got us here and here we are right and and we're not going
00:16:28.700 to know the outcome of an appeal for god knows how long because it'll go to the supreme court of
00:16:32.320 canada eventually and i mean maybe a decade from now and in the meantime uh the the judge had put sort
00:16:38.080 of a um like a pause on implementing the the findings of her of her court case for about 18 months so 18
00:16:43.960 months from now we're going to get to a place where an appeal has not been completed and we and and people
00:16:49.080 really aren't going to know what to do so it's uh it's a real problem well again it's like this
00:16:54.280 performative virtue signaling from the left where they want these things to happen and then when the
00:16:59.320 ramifications come out it's like well actually it's pretty scary and it could really scare off
00:17:03.400 investors or even families looking to buy a home in british columbia it's like why would you buy a house
00:17:09.000 when you don't know if the title is going to be any good there's another aspect of this ruling uh that i want
00:17:15.400 to talk to you about this is from law for breakfast which is a popular blog written by dwight newman who's
00:17:20.120 a law professor he writes the morally awkward aspect of canada's law canadian law's aboriginal
00:17:27.080 title test so part of the reason why cowichan was given this land even though like i mentioned cowichan
00:17:34.680 valley is vancouver island and we're talking about the mainland here and there are two other tribes the
00:17:39.240 musqueam and the tawasan tribes that also claimed this land and basically during the uh the evidence
00:17:46.600 that was put into this court hearing we learned that the cowichan maintained this land because they
00:17:52.280 were such vicious cruel fighters that they that they had extreme acts of violence that they would impose
00:17:59.240 onto these other tribes including cutting off their enemies heads and putting them on sticks
00:18:03.480 threatening to enslave the chief's family this is all written evidence that was put before trial
00:18:10.280 here and so basically might is right the reason that they had access to this land is because they
00:18:15.400 were so viciously violent right and we're supposed to ignore this violent history and tradition right
00:18:21.000 the the criticism against canada and colonialism and the so-called settlers was that they used their
00:18:26.520 system of violence to push first nations people off the land well it turns out that the first
00:18:30.200 nations people were quite violent themselves particularly this cowichan tribe and that's now all in
00:18:35.160 records it's not disputable um i don't know if you uh saw this part of the um ruling but what do you
00:18:41.160 make of all this caroline yeah i i read uh the similar passages and look like the reality is indigenous
00:18:48.680 history like all of human history is rife with conflict and contesting pieces of land and defending
00:18:55.480 those pieces of land and just as it was when you know in other parts of the world you know for the
00:19:02.920 the absolute majority of human history so yeah i mean that was going on it's a part of the history
00:19:09.960 that's not taught because you know a vancouver sun article writing about uh the pre-colonial life uh in
00:19:15.480 that couch and uh that new couch entitled area uh was saying you know what was life like back then and
00:19:21.480 they're saying oh there was fishing and it was nice they haven't got along well i think we have
00:19:26.200 to actually give first nations also the credit of their very interesting history and the fact that
00:19:31.960 people were contesting land and and challenging each other and that there was a history of warfare
00:19:37.080 and those kinds of things of course that happened just like it happened everywhere in the world
00:19:41.560 so i think it kind of like shines a light a little bit i think on the education we receive and our
00:19:46.520 kids receive about pre-colonial life uh you know it was it was i think a hard life in many ways and
00:19:54.120 there was a lot of violence just as there were in other societies um at that stage in development so
00:19:58.760 i really think that um the the bigger question kind of to me as well that comes out of that is the
00:20:05.080 issue of competing land claims by other first nations um so people think like oh well we'll just
00:20:11.320 give you know we'll allow this title claim there or that you know we'll award title here and we'll
00:20:15.160 award title there recognize it whatever the word is um but when you start thinking about as i said
00:20:20.120 earlier the the virtually the entirety of bc's land mass is claimed by one first nation or another
00:20:24.760 there's many overlapping claims um that so not only are there kind of um challenges between first
00:20:31.160 nations about whose land is what but then there's also challenges within first nations about who's
00:20:35.880 responsible for decision making if a project wants to get built who which is the which is the entity is
00:20:40.440 it the elected chiefs is it the hereditary chiefs uh maybe one group agrees to it and one group doesn't
00:20:45.960 and when you just try to think about a just govern the simple governability of a province where we
00:20:51.640 have a very very heavy natural resource element to to our economy um you kind of start thinking about
00:20:56.600 like how is this going to um how is this going to work and i frankly don't think it is going to i
00:21:02.760 don't think it can't and that's one of the reasons why i started the show by saying i think it's
00:21:06.280 probably one of the biggest issues facing british columbia in terms of its prosperity and its future
00:21:10.360 opportunities 100 agree and i think that if it's happening british columbia now it'll be happening
00:21:15.240 the rest of the can in the rest of the country and the rest of canada in 5 10 15 years so it's
00:21:19.480 important to keep an eye on that carolyn elliott thank you so much for your time and insights really
00:21:23.080 appreciate it caroline has phd and she's a senior fellow with the aristotle foundation and with bc
00:21:28.600 public land use society carolyn thanks so much for joining us thank you all right folks i want to
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00:24:43.800 so i i mean last i checked we have a conservative government in alberta i know this is the model that
00:24:48.200 they use in british columbia which has long been led by the ndp and manitoba as well so what why is
00:24:53.000 this kind of a proposal even being introduced in alberta good question so um every province that has
00:24:59.640 brought in and adopted no-fault insurance has usually or every single time has been brought in by a
00:25:05.560 socialist government uh in bc it was brought in by socialist government in in saskatchewan
00:25:10.520 it was brought in by socialist government and that's why we're all kind of scratching our heads
00:25:14.600 here why you know a conservative government is bringing in this you know ndp scheme of no-fault
00:25:20.120 insurance so what would you say would be an alternative plan then that you could reduce
00:25:24.280 premiums but without stripping away the rights as you say yeah so uh i think the insurance companies
00:25:30.920 made it clear that eighty percent of their claims are minor injuries where you know maybe there was
00:25:37.080 a parking lot in accident or maybe there was you know some sort of uh fender bender at 10 kilometers
00:25:42.760 an hour that's taking up about eighty percent of their um time and eighty percent of their expense
00:25:48.600 so our we had a few proposals and again some of them are more legal than others but a simple proposal
00:25:53.400 was let's put a deductible of ten thousand or fifteen thousand dollars on every claim so that someone
00:25:59.880 with a parking lot incident that goes to 20 treatments and gets better within 23 within sorry
00:26:04.280 two months gets nothing those are the ones that are holding up eighty percent of the time of the
00:26:09.000 insurance companies and the people with more serious injuries and with with more of a serious
00:26:13.560 impairment are still entitled to compensation less a deductible of a number of some some some
00:26:19.560 something to be agreed upon between government and the stakeholders that makes a lot more sense okay
00:26:24.280 so tell us a little bit about this campaign albertans against no fault you can visit uh you can learn
00:26:28.520 more about the campaign from visiting the website albertansagainstnofault.com so tell us about the
00:26:33.000 campaign yeah so uh we started a group uh which is not just for lawyers just for the for anyone in
00:26:38.520 the public uh in alberta that doesn't like this plan so it's called albertansagainstnofaultinsurance
00:26:43.080 the acronym is ANFI um you you can go on our website aanfi.com and it'll direct you to things
00:26:51.480 that you can do so you can reach out to your mla uh you know mlas are usually the people that hear the
00:26:56.920 complaints and take it up to government um you can sign our petition it's already close to six
00:27:01.720 thousand signatures um and then just get out there and and tell everyone you can that you don't like
00:27:07.320 this plan like we're losing our rights we're going to pay more on insurance premiums the insurance
00:27:12.200 company takes all control of a victim's you know entry claim so i call it a lose lose lose situation
00:27:18.200 there's absolutely no winning for an albertan and and pretty much all the wins are going to the
00:27:23.480 insurance companies all right well that's ricky bagga from crash lawyers thanks so much for your
00:27:29.560 time and the information folks check out that campaign and that website all right that's all
00:27:34.200 the time we have for today thank you so much for tuning in we'll be back again tomorrow on
00:27:37.400 kennis malcolm this is kennis malcolm show thank you and god bless