Nova Scotia mass casualty commission says government must "promote healthy masculinities"
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Summary
On today's bonus episode of Canada's Most Irreverent talk show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by a special guest, former Conservative Party Leader Candice Bergen, who joins him to talk about her recent interview at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference with former Conservative Leader Candace Bergen. They also discuss the report from the Mass Casualty Commission on the Nova Scotia Dental Killer, Brenda Luckey, and the Dildo Dolphins.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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This is another edition of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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It is Friday, March 31st, 2023, just after 4 o'clock Eastern Daylight Time.
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We've now switched to the beloved summer time zone.
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So welcome wherever you are tuning into the show from,
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whether it's live or on the podcast or video after the fact.
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This is a rare Friday show, but I am pleased to tell you
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It's going to be decreasingly rare moving forward as we change around some of the scheduling here at True North.
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And obviously, we're going to not necessarily stick to the same time, but we are going to do a bit of a bonus edition of the show for a while.
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And that means that Fake News Friday is going to be a part of the Andrew Lawton show today.
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So we will still give you your Fake News Friday dosage, but in a bit of a different delivery system.
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We decide the best delivery system for the missile we're lobbying.
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And in this particular case, The Andrew Lawton Show is the most destructive option for you.
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My interview from the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference with former Conservative leader Candace Bergen coming up very shortly.
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And as it so happens, this morning, Aaron O'Toole, the former Conservative leader, announced that he would not be seeking re-election.
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So he's getting out of politics, at least for the time being.
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Also going to talk later on about some dolphins in dildo,
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which is an alliterative phrase, but not a pun, not a joke.
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There is a rescue attempt underway for the dildo dolphins.
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The dildos and dolphins? No, the dolphins and dildos.
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So that's going to be coming up a little later.
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And we have musical accompaniment for the segment.
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So if you don't stick around because you wonder what the heck I'm talking about,
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But let's start off talking about something more serious,
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which I believe the government has completely trivialized,
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absolutely horrific killing spree that a denturist in Nova Scotia went on,
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And this was a commission that I think got no coverage, really,
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we got little drips and drabs such as the details about Brenda Luckey running interference for the
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Liberal government and this was that story when Brenda Luckey had asked the Nova Scotia RCMP
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to not mention that it was a an illegal gun that the killer used because at the time the federal
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Liberal government was using this whole incident as justification to further ban guns so that was
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one of the little takeaways we got with documents that were put before the report but generally
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speaking i'm assuming when i mentioned the mass casualty commission a lot of you were like oh
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what's that like just because it got so little coverage and i haven't spent much time talking
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about it on this show so i'm part of the problem but the report has now come out the final report
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it's very very very long i'm not going to lie i have not read the whole thing but what i did do
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is go through the executive summary and look at the recommendation so what they do is they take
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seven volumes to tell the story of this thing how it happened what happened what went wrong
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They take a rather scathing look at police and what they see as profound police failings.
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But then they get into this very weird terrain of social engineering.
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And there are two aspects of this that I want to talk about a little bit.
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So on firearms, this looks like one of the most rabid anti-gun activists you could find in Canada was asked to write out the recommendations.
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They have things like prohibiting the stockpiling of ammunition.
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Now, when they say limit the stockpiling of ammunition, they're using the word stockpile
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because it conjures up images of someone just like hiding out in a basement bunker with
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But what they mean is limiting how much ammunition you're allowed to have.
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And every now and then when I see crime press releases that come out from police, what will
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happen is you'll see like, oh, the killer, the person was arrested with 800 rounds of ammunition.
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And people that don't know guns have just like been shocked at that. They've been aghast at it.
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They have no idea. Oh my goodness, 800 rounds of ammunition. And then you like go to the average
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gun owner's gun captain and you open the door and you see like, oh, 15,000 rounds of ammunition. So
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you do it because it's like anything else. If it's on sale, you buy it. If there are different
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types you like, if you've got different guns that take different types of ammunition, you're going
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to buy lots more so when i see a recommendation in here that the government limit the stockpiling
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of ammunition i know that sort of stuff is catnip for people that don't understand firearms or they
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want to prey on the fact that a lot of people in this country don't know a lot about firearms
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and one of the other recommendations to ban all semi-automatic firearms or rifles like rifles
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handguns or shotguns and to do this with a couple of caveats well only if they have detachable
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magazines that take more than five rounds of ammunition or if they are centerfire so not
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the really small caliber 22 but they're basically saying we think the government should prohibit
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almost all semi-automatic guns now this was oddly enough the amendment that that liberal mp tried
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to sneak into Bill C-21. And it's funny that something eerily similar, in fact, if I looked
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at the text, probably almost identical, is now finding its way as a recommendation in the Mass
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Casualty Commission report. Nowhere did I see in my cursory scan an acknowledgement in this
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firearms recommendation that the prohibition wouldn't have changed anything about this event
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because the guy used illegal guns that were illegally smuggled into Canada. The one gun he
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had that wasn't smuggled, he illegally acquired through an estate. But either way, guns that he
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did not legally have that did not come from the Canadian market. So why do we think that prohibiting
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any type of firearm would have stopped this incident or any others like it? But the problem
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is that this event has been used by the Liberal government as a way to justify their intent on
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banning firearms. That's what they want. And even if they have to be more incremental about it,
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their goals are very clear. They don't like gun owners. They don't like guns. They don't want the
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type of people who are gun owners to be able to have their property rights. So they do this. They
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use this event, this horrible, horrible act of evil, this tragedy, to justify their political
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aims. And we've already seen through the Brenda Luckey situation, the meddling in the police
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investigation to do that. And now we're seeing the Mass Casualty Commission report try to do
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the same thing, to use this as a springboard for a gun ban. But there was another weird section
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that I had to look at and ask who wrote this. How did this come up here? Now, let me preface this
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by saying I do not seek to diminish domestic violence in the least. It is a horrible thing.
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It is a tremendously dangerous thing. If you look at these statistics, you know it's a lot
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more commonplace than a lot of people realize. Any domestic violence, gender-based or otherwise,
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needs to be understood, and it needs to be clamped down on, and people need to pay the
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stiffest penalties imaginable if they go down that road. But I don't look at the Nova Scotia
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killing spree and see this as being a domestic violence issue. Obviously, the guy, if you can
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read all the stuff you want about it, has had that in his life, and you may be able to look at this
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and say that gender-based violence is a precursor for other things,
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or domestic violence, as I'm used to calling it.
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But it's amazing how prominently that features in this report.
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And some of the recommendations that I want to pluck out of this here
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One of them is to call gender-based violence an epidemic.
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They say it's an epidemic in Nova Scotia and all of Canada
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the united nations has been calling it a global pandemic violence against women and girls is also
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endemic in canada and in all societies so ergo the government needs to call it declare it an endemic
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and take a public health approach so they want the health units that did such a bang-up job
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getting us through covid to take the front lines to take the front seat on ending domestic violence
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which is a little bit of an odd thing so i if anyone believes labeling is going to stop this
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you are sorely, sorely mistaken. But then we get to the even weirder part. And I want to quote
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directly here from the recommendation, because they say that it needs to be a government priority
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to cultivate healthy masculinities. They say government needs to support healthy masculinity.
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Healthy masculinity appears in the report 11 times, at least in the executive summary 11 times,
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It appears later on, and there's a whole chapter dedicated to cultivating healthy masculinities.
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And they say promoting healthier masculinities is an important strategy for improving community
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It prevents gender-based violence and it improves male health and well-being.
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So when they say promote healthy masculinity, it's what they're saying is we need to get
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rid of toxic masculinity, which is the stuff that in the Gillette commercials, they're always
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preaching at men about. And it's become the flavor of the day to go after toxic masculinity. They
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don't like men that are really buff and masculine and uber strong. And we also are seeing time and
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time again, more examples of very woke companies, very woke companies that start to say we need to
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dismantle toxic masculinity in all its forms. So it's a little bit trivializing to take the Mass
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Casualty Commission's report on this, on a horrific event that killed men and women,
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and to say that we need to hold this up as a gender-based violence incident. And we need to
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extrapolate from this all of these things that we want to change in society to deal with gender-based
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violence, which is a real thing, and it's a problem. And it's a problem warranting solutions.
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But it makes it look like this entire commission report is trying to just become this weird buffet
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from which people can draw whatever issues they want. Oh, you want firearm stuff? Oh, you want
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gender-based violence stuff? Yeah, we'll take a little bit of that. You want police reform? Great,
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we'll take a little bit of that. And obviously, complex situations require complex solutions.
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But this doesn't look like it's a solution to any genuine problem because, not a genuine
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problem, but a solution to any problem that was at the root of this.
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There is not a single recommendation I have seen in this that would have stopped this
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killer from doing what he did, except for maybe if you go way back, and I did not see
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they talk in a few senses about the need to streamline communications between the Canadian
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Border Services Agency and police but they aren't talking about really what we need to deal with
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here which is firearm smuggling so all of this is to say that genuinely looking for answers here
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looking for solutions here and thinking that you're going to find those by combating toxic
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masculinity by the government running PSAs about healthy masculinity by public health agencies
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saying that we're going to declare violence against women or gender-based violence to be an
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endemic. None of these things are going to stop this event. None of these things are going to
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stop these killers. And it's funny, I wrote a column many years ago after a mass shooting in
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the US in which I said there's no antidote to evil. That was the takeaway of it. And I actually
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regretted a little bit because as a Christian, I believe that there is an antidote to evil and I
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believe God is the antidote to evil. And I was talking about it in a political context at the
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time though. There's no political remedy to evil. And what happens anytime these horrific events
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take place, we all want to believe that they were preventable. We want to believe there was
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something we could have done, something we needed to have done,
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and something that would have made a tangible difference.
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Because saying, pardon the language, I won't use the language,
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because then we get like the weird flag on iTunes or whatever,
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but saying that poop happens is not a satisfactory response to horrible things.
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To look at something evil and say, well, that sucks, but that's life.
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No one is satisfied with that, nor should they be.
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so I'm struggling here to come up with an answer to what could have stopped this guy
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and I don't have one and I don't come to you today because I have the answers figured out
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and the Mass Casualty Commission doesn't I do it because I despise this trend we now see
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where people just latch on to whatever tragedy of the day has taken place and use it as a springboard
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The Liberal government did not give one iota of crap
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They saw this as an opportunity to justify a gun ban.
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So they almost overnight put in the handgun freeze.
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Again, didn't matter, didn't have anything to do with anything or the, not the handgun
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And when the facts of the case actually worked against them, they just had that little pipeline
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of information from Bill Blair to Brenda Luckey down to the Nova Scotia RCMP that went against
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You know, violence against women is a huge issue.
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You've got activist groups that want to make a difference on that.
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You've got women's shelters that want to make a difference at it.
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You know they were all contributing volumes and volumes of information.
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I'm saying that you cannot break this down to a failing of toxic masculinity
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and say that if the government gets up there and Justin Trudeau promotes healthy masculinity
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and Teresa Tam gets up there and says we need more healthy masculinity,
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and it takes this concept that has now become this joke because a lot of the people that say
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they reject toxic masculinity actually just reject masculinity in general so what on earth
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is healthy masculinity that that's to say that a masculinity needs that qualifier that masculinity
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needs to be labeled healthy otherwise it is unhealthy that's the implication if you really
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want to go down and parse the language here. So I don't come with the answers, but I am coming
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with a warning that we have to stop letting people politicize these tragedies because they
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will keep doing it over and over and over again. We'll have perhaps more on this as I've had a
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chance to read other parts of the report. But when I initially skimmed through and I saw both
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the firearm stuff and then the masculinity stuff, I said, okay, I have to at least talk about that
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today. I want to shift gears here. You may remember last week I was at the Canada Strong
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and Free Networking Conference in Ottawa, and I sat down with a number of the movers and shakers
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of Canada's Conservative movement, including the former leader of the Conservative. She served as
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leader on an interim basis after Erin O'Toole was ousted before Pierre Polyev was elected leader,
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and that is Candace Bergen, who's now taken a backseat to politics as well, like Erin O'Toole
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announce he'd be doing. And she is, I believe I saw, I don't follow Manitoba politics too closely,
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but I believe I saw this morning that Candace Bergen is now the co-chair of the Manitoba PC
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campaign. So power to them, I guess. But this was my sit down with former interim conservative
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leader, Candace Bergen. Joining me here at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference is
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former conservative leader, Candace Bergen. Obviously, Candace, you had to be the interim
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leader during the leadership race so you saw yourself being replaced in real time and now
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you've you've left politics so what's your why are you still here why are you still immersing
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yourself in this world when you don't need to it's funny Andrew because when I let Pierre our
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leader know that I was going to be stepping down I said but you know Pierre I got into politics as
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a volunteer and I want to go back to being a volunteer because I still love politics and I
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still believe strongly in what a conservative party does and what we need to do for the country
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So I said, I'm going to be retiring my official role as a member of parliament.
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But I said to Pierre and my caucus, I still want to help.
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It was great to see Stephen Harper and hear Stephen and Preston last night.
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Our conservative party and our movement is made up of coalitions of different groups of people.
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And I'm a big believer in we need to be able to disagree and still be united.
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And I'll tell you, more than ever, we need to be a united conservative movement.
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So even though I'm retired officially, I'm still, I care very much about the country and I'm still a conservative.
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I know a lot of people here made a big deal about Stephen Harper speaking.
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Joining me here at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference is former conservative leader Candice Bergen.
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Obviously, Candice, you had to be the interim leader during the leadership race.
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So you saw yourself being replaced in real time.
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Why are you still immersing yourself in this world when you don't need to?
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It's funny, Andrew, because when I let Pierre, our leader, know that I was going to be stepping down,
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I said, but, you know, Pierre, I got into politics as a volunteer and I want to go back to being a volunteer
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because I still love politics and I still believe strongly in what a conservative party does
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So I said, I'm going to be retiring my official role as a member of parliament.
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But I said to Pierre and my caucus, I still want to help.
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It was great to see Stephen Harper and hear Stephen and Preston last night.
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Our conservative party and our movement is made up of coalitions of different groups of people.
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And I'm a big believer in we need to be able to disagree and still be united.
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And I'll tell you, more than ever, we need to be a united conservative movement.
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So even though I'm retired officially, I'm still, I care very much about the country and I'm still a conservative.
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I know a lot of people here made a big deal about Stephen Harper speaking
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because he has kept something of a low profile in Canadian politics since he left office.
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But I know from talking to you and other members of Parliament that I know, he has never disappeared.
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He's always been giving advice and talking behind the scenes.
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And I'm curious what you think of his idea that he put forward in his remarks
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that we're witnessing a conservative renaissance right now, to use his words.
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Well, I always find it hard to believe that we just don't always have a conservative renaissance going on
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because I just think any common sense person would agree with conservative policy
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see, you know, if we did the good job and the best job of communicating them.
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So, yes, I mean, I think that every government has a lifespan, and so we're seeing the end
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of this liberal government's lifespan come to an end.
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I do worry that in Preston alluded to this yesterday, even policy around balancing the
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A lot of people, not to me, it's not to me, but to a lot of people, there are certain ideas that I would consider to be a good conservative policy that are rare.
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I do worry the way young people are being raised and what they're taught at school, our universities, the bastion for liberal ideas.
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There really is very little opportunity for young people to hear of conservative policy.
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So unless it's sort of intuitively in them or if their parents are raising them, you need to be responsible for yourself.
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You need to make sure your finances are managed properly, less government, individual responsibility.
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Unless they're raised with that kind of as part of who they are, I think it's going to be very difficult, but I hope he's right.
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Just lastly, what do you think the non-negotiables are?
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Because obviously conservative politics and politics changes over time.
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What do you think the core values that should never change about the conservative movement are?
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You know, when I was leader, I talked about fiscal, kind of the four pillars, fiscal responsibility, law and order, national unity, freedom of expression and belief.
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Those are sort of the four core things that make us all conservative.
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And I think any other issue, any other policy can be woven into that.
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and there can be all kinds of interesting things
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that come out of other types of policy and beliefs.
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Last year, I just remembered you had to skip it
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Thanks for your service in politics over the years.
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That was Candice Bergen, the former Conservative leader and now retreating to private life here.
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A lot of other former politicians just like don't care to talk anymore because they don't need to win your votes
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and Free Networking Conference interviews coming next week.
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We didn't want to just like bombard you all in one show
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And I think we have, speaking of the firearms issue,
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She is the VP of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms.
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I'm just, I'm blanking on the, I blank on acronyms all the time because I just call them the CCFR.
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But in general, we're going to be talking about firearms, not related to the Nova Scotia shooting.
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But I do want to talk a little bit about Aaron O'Toole stepping down here because he was a guy who I actually have always liked.
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And I've always gotten along with him when he ran for leader of the Conservatives in 2017.
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I had, you know, great interviews with him and he did well enough in the debates,
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that it was gonna be Peter McKay just on a cakewalk.
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because they didn't have a huge number of candidates.
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to the supporters of Leslie Lewis and Derek Sloan
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And then when he became the conservative leader was neither true nor blue nor conservative.
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So it was difficult to see how he thought he would hold on in the leadership role when
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that was the pivot, when he abandoned some of the core things that he campaigned on in
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When the Freedom Convoy came, it was just complete game over.
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When your party and your party's members and your party's caucus members
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and you can't say one way or another whether you'll meet with them,
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whether you support them, agree with them, and that was that.
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Now, I don't like defining people's careers based on their worst moments.
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I think Aaron O'Toole did a very good job in the Veterans Affairs portfolio.
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I think that Aaron O'Toole has a solid head on his shoulders.
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I think he's a smart guy, and he served his country in the military.
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I know some people on the left tried to make fun of him for bringing it up,
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but he did it, and he deserves credit for that.
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So I don't take this good riddance approach to Aaron O'Toole.
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I say that he was the wrong choice for conservative leader,
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even if he was the best choice of the options between him and Peter McKay.
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And I thank him for his service, and that is that.
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And I don't wish any ill will, despite how frustrated I was during his leadership with how that manifested.
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But I do think that the 2021 election is still a bit of a test case in authenticity.
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And it's something that I hope Pierre Polyev notes and future conservative politicians as well in this country.
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It is Friday, and I know we talked about some very heavy stuff on the show.
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But I kind of want to make it a bit of a resolution to not just totally depress you before I send you out into the weekend.
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But we also want to bring Fake News Friday into the Andrew Lawton Show fold today and take it away.
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The Fake News Friday segment for this show is one that I think reinforces an age-old concept in Canadian politics
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You may have seen this photo from Joe Biden's visit to Ottawa of Xavier Trudeau,
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who is like the really, really tall son in the Trudeau family.
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I think he's taller than Justin Trudeau, or at least getting there.
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you can tell it's a real Joe Biden image because Joe Biden is holding a child for inexplicable
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reasons. That's how you know it's not an imposter. It's the real Joe Biden. And the one thing that
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people focused on in this photo was Xavier's socks. Now, normally Justin Trudeau is the one
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whose socks attract the most attention. Now, he was probably very upset that his son was usurping
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him on the sock front but uh they're indoors and this was like a very weird twitter fight that then
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emerged where you had people saying that he should be wearing shoes and then other people said well
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actually no everyone else should have taken their shoes off uh joe biden it's not advisable to take
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your shoes off because you'll never find them again probably uh but i don't actually have a dog
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in the sock fight i think there are apparently sock houses and shoe houses i have never gotten
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the whole, was it Mr. Rogers who would go inside and then change the shoes for the other shoes?
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Like that just seems like a lot of work. I don't know if slippers count as shoes, but I'm okay
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being in sock feet in my own home. And if the president were over, I don't know what I would
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do, come to think of it. I would probably just do whatever he did. So that's one way of doing it.
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But the media sees news here. People can't tweet about something without it being news.
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Yahoo, photo of PM Trudeau's sock sparks hilarious.
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Photo of PM Trudeau's son sparks hilarious debate
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The more I talk about it, I'm increasingly on Team 3 as well.
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Here's a bit of a fun story, though, for the weekend.
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Well, let me refresh, actually, because maybe the story has updated.
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No, it sounds like the rescue is still underway.
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The rescue is underway for a pod of dolphins stranded by ice in Dildo Cove.
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I need a studio audience to know if the jokes land.
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But a pod of hapless white-beak dolphins, CBC says,
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has been stranded by sea ice in the shallow harbor outside Dildo, Newfoundland.
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They could be seen swimming in circles near worried onlookers.
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People had said they haven't seen stranded dolphins in Dildo Cove for decades.
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They did see a dolphin with a dildo once, but not a stranded dolphin in Dildo Cove.
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And that was a regrettable moment that they don't talk about.
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But there were of the dolphins, they had pulled three of the 10 out
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and were trying to get seven of the remaining dildos out of Dolphin Cove, but failed.
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So this is just all a lengthy way of saying I learned of this song recently that I had to share with you before we close things out here.
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It is a song that was made by Uncle John, who hails from Dildo Newfoundland, and it suggests the people there might actually be a little in on the joke.
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And I came out of my door one day, and I went out to say, I saw my friend standing there this question he asked me. He says, I have the paper here. I said, I think I know you're going around from house to house to change the name to the door.
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I say now, friend, I want to sign the shameless precious name
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I hope that every person here, they will feel the same
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For God will travel with us wherever we might go
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He will never laugh or joke about the name Deldo
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He stands for our dignity, our name will never change
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How can you not bop along to the dildo song?
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I had never heard of Uncle John before I learned that song.
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I believe the dildo song might be Uncle John's only hit.
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And I did not know that Dildo Newfoundland had a Hollywood sign for Dildo.
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So maybe we'll have to do the next Andrew Lawton Show live edition,
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live from Dildo, and we can interview some of those stranded dolphins
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and we will be back next week with more of Canada's most irreverent talk show.
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Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.
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