Juno News - One Party Rule in Canada! The Liberals are rigging the system

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and welcome to The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great show for you this

00:00:12.640 morning. We are going to get into all of Trump's recent comments over the weekend calling Justin

00:00:17.820 Trudeau a loser. And first we're going to get into this ruby dollar situation because from best I

00:00:25.060 can tell, the fix is in. The Liberal Party has done everything in its power to try to remove

00:00:30.800 obstacles for the coronation of Mark Carney. Mark Carney is the one that they want. He's the one

00:00:36.340 that has been chosen. He has been selected. He comes from the World Economic Forum. He's a central

00:00:40.500 banker. He's been centrally cast to be the Prime Minister of Canada. And the Liberal Party, the

00:00:46.120 Liberal machine, will do everything in their power to make sure that he's Prime Minister, including,

00:00:50.900 apparently wielding the CBC and turning it into their personal propaganda machine. We're going

00:00:56.760 to get to all of that. I'm very pleased today to be joined for the whole show by Professor Bruce

00:01:02.020 Pardy. He's a legal scholar, professor of law, Queen's University, and he is always an interesting

00:01:07.700 guest. So Bruce, thank you for joining us today. Thanks for having me, Candice. Pleasure to be

00:01:13.620 with you. Okay, let's get into the Ruby Dolla situation because we learned on Friday that she

00:01:18.860 has been disqualified as leader in the race. So the Liberal Party committee voted unanimously,

00:01:25.580 we're told, to disqualify the former MP from the leadership race. The committee claims to have

00:01:30.700 found 10 serious violations, including breaches of party rules, potential violations of the

00:01:35.520 Elections Canada Act, and a failure to disclose a non-citizen's involvement in her campaign,

00:01:41.140 which they argued could amount to foreign interference. This is the best part, though,

00:01:45.680 Bruce, Ruby Dalla learned about her disqualification live on air on CBC. She was invited to do a CBC

00:01:53.200 news hit, and apparently CBC got the memo before they even informed their own candidate that she

00:02:00.600 had been disqualified. Here is what that looked like, folks. This is CBC, Friday, February 21st,

00:02:06.440 Unbelievable Power and Politics with David Cochran. Let's play that clip.

00:02:10.540 Have you received official word yet from the Liberal Party on your disqualification from

00:02:15.240 this race? I haven't as of yet. It's quite interesting that I turned on the news and

00:02:21.060 read your headline that I was being disqualified from the race. I checked my email, my campaign

00:02:26.640 team has, and as of this moment, we have not received any indication from the Liberal Party

00:02:31.680 as to that type of decision. I just, I can't even believe, like, what kind of country do we live in,

00:02:37.980 Bruce, where the state broadcaster has information about a campaign that the candidate themselves

00:02:43.320 doesn't even have their closer in closer cahoots in communication with the liberal

00:02:47.740 party than than the candidates what do you make of all this well it tells you more than you want

00:02:54.960 to know doesn't it so there's a we think of political parties as public institutions and

00:03:05.100 we expect them to behave as though they are parts of the state and i think that's our first mistake

00:03:11.360 they are actually not they're more or less semi-private organizations and it's simply because

00:03:17.120 the liberals and the conservatives but the liberals you know the natural governing party of canada

00:03:23.440 are are in power so often we all we think of them as sort of synonymous with government but they're

00:03:29.920 not the people on the inside the liberal party control the party and our our expectations are

00:03:36.480 misplaced this kind of of event uh pulls back the curtain to show us all how it really works

00:03:47.360 and so when you have the candidate on cbc and cbc telling her that she's been disqualified

00:03:54.000 that's the way it really works and the people on the inside have voted to disqualify her now

00:03:58.880 who knows what the actual facts are you know i'm i'm myself i'm a little dubious that these these

00:04:05.040 disqualification events are real but who knows but the bottom line is the people inside control

00:04:11.360 who gets to be the candidate who gets to be the leader and we we have to stop insisting that our

00:04:18.320 expectations are real instead of seeing things for what they actually are well i i mean you're

00:04:24.880 obviously right because this isn't democracy this isn't a grassroots selection process this is

00:04:29.920 clearly a top-down decision. And I don't think that Ruby Dalla was a particularly strong candidate.

00:04:36.060 I don't know that she would have even stood a chance against Mark Carney because, you know,

00:04:40.640 that's where all the institutional inertia is going towards him in the leadership race.

00:04:45.860 But the fact that she was a bit of an outsider, yes, she'd been an MP, but she hasn't been in the

00:04:49.920 Ottawa bubble for a decade. She was talking about different kinds of issues. And I think that she

00:04:54.960 did pose a unique threat. She spoke to Ruby Dalla, joined Juneau News' Cat Canada, an exclusive

00:05:00.560 interview over the weekend. And she basically just said, look, they didn't want me to be out

00:05:05.440 there because I posed a threat to Mark Carney. Here, let's play a clip of what that looked like.

00:05:11.640 Well, I think that they wanted to complete the coronation of Mark Carney. They did not want to

00:05:17.660 have Ruby Dalla on that debate stage or on that ballot. And ultimately, they were denying, not

00:05:22.680 Ruby Della, but they denied the thousands of people that were supporting me and wanted to vote

00:05:27.860 for a Liberal Party that would be brought back to the centre, and most importantly, a party where

00:05:33.540 all the membership and the grassroots would actually have a voice. So she said that, and

00:05:39.840 even further to her point, so speaking on CBC's Power in Politics, this was on Thursday, so the

00:05:46.080 day before this all happened, we had a former Liberal Party insider, I believe, a senior

00:05:53.540 advisor, Stevie O'Brien, basically say the quiet part out loud. Let's play that clip.

00:05:59.340 I certainly hope that the party finds a legitimate reason to disqualify her candidacy before the

00:06:05.120 debate. Really? I hope so. I think that, you know, we've got a serious campaign. Canadians are

00:06:12.240 looking for a serious leader. I think that's one of the reasons that Carney is doing very well.

00:06:17.540 I would really hate for us to lose, as a partisan, to lose that momentum because someone's trying to

00:06:23.820 turn the debates into a circus. So that was a former chief of staff to a liberal cabinet

00:06:29.500 minister. And she basically said it. I hope we find a legitimate reason to kick her out because

00:06:34.380 we don't want difficult questions and we don't want to turn it into a circus, meaning we don't

00:06:39.200 want legitimate questions that could derail Mark Carney's walk, walk into the park of being

00:06:45.060 prime minister. What do you think, Bruce? Well, I think, I think that clip and this event

00:06:51.420 shows how little they fear being exposed for how the thing actually runs. I mean, their,

00:06:59.320 their control is is so complete oh not only over the party but over the country that that they're

00:07:10.240 they're not concerned about how it looks and and that to me is the is the biggest indication of a

00:07:15.600 problem i agree with you that i don't think as a candidate she probably uh amounted to a very

00:07:21.720 serious threat to his his eventual victory uh but apparently they didn't want they didn't want

00:07:28.600 to have a have a contentious conversation during the debate which one would think that that's what

00:07:33.620 a debate is for so they they've they've they're almost drunk on their own power uh if if a person

00:07:41.940 like that is willing to say that out loud then that has become the norm in the way that they

00:07:47.640 think they think it's okay for in a liberal leadership race to find a reason to disqualify

00:07:54.400 candidate because of the way she will appear to the public. Well, it's interesting, just a couple

00:08:01.980 of further pieces of context here, right? When Justin Trudeau resigned, or at least stated his

00:08:06.820 intention to resign, he's still the prime minister, but on January 6, he resigned. And he said that

00:08:11.960 the Liberal Party will have a robust leadership campaign, where the leader will be chosen from

00:08:17.620 the grassroots. That's obviously not true. He also said after Donald Trump was reelected,

00:08:22.220 President Trump was reelected down in the States, he said that the American population missed out

00:08:27.020 on the opportunity to elect its first female president and was sort of looking down his nose

00:08:32.220 at those Americans who didn't make the right choice and elect a Democrat. And so there's just

00:08:37.660 so many layers of irony here. It's like, they don't care about democracy. They don't care about

00:08:41.860 women. They don't care about anything. They don't care about minorities. They're happy to kick out

00:08:45.300 the people of Indian descent from the leadership race so that, you know, we have like three white

00:08:51.040 front runners and that's that's really what the liberal party is all about even though they like

00:08:54.660 to say that they're all about like diversity and all these other things all all all true but the

00:09:00.840 most telling thing is that it's so transparently true and yet it doesn't seem to matter right

00:09:08.640 and that's not the fault of the people who are speaking i mean they're the hypocrisy is obvious

00:09:15.000 but the real problem is that it continues to work why is it that so many canadians have such a short

00:09:23.000 memory so that this kind of propaganda and that's really what it is succeeds you would like to think

00:09:31.440 that eventually you know a critical mass of people would recognize it for what it was for what you

00:09:37.540 just described it as but apparently that doesn't seem to be so and the same thing with the

00:09:41.720 disqualification of Della. It doesn't seem to matter. And so why wouldn't they continue down

00:09:48.960 this path? Well, I mean, help us understand, because we've seen the Liberals have a bounce.

00:09:54.160 I don't know if it's a resurgence. I don't know if the polls are picking things up accurately,

00:09:58.080 but many, many polls, if not almost all of the polls over the last six weeks have shown

00:10:02.800 a huge bounce in the Liberals. Some of them show the Liberals up to being neck and neck

00:10:07.400 with the Conservatives. It was just in December before Trudeau announced his intention to resign.

00:10:11.720 that it looked like Pierre Polyev was going to walk into one of the biggest majority governments

00:10:15.420 in Canadian history. And now it's like a coin flip. I don't even know that he's for sure going

00:10:21.580 to win. So how is it that with a Liberal Party being so callous, so like you said, unabashedly

00:10:29.040 willing to change the rules to kick people out, just even say it out loud on CBC for the whole

00:10:35.280 country to see we're going to rig it, we're going to get our guy in. And yet Canadians are

00:10:40.300 or reward presumably i mean maybe the polls are wrong and maybe maybe it's all part of a coordinated

00:10:45.100 attempt to make canadians think that there's enthusiasm and support and love from mark carney

00:10:50.540 i'm not sure but like like you you live in ontario help us understand on these ontario voters uh

00:10:58.540 why is it that they'd be so willing to forgive a party like the liberal party i wish i knew i really

00:11:03.980 i really wish i knew uh i don't know if these polls are are valid or not i don't know if they're

00:11:09.900 fake or not i really don't know i'm i'm surprised that there'd be such a change in such a short time

00:11:15.580 so they might be manipulated uh but part of their purpose might be to lead to a further manipulation

00:11:22.700 to make people think oh well now now things are different and now i'm going to rethink what i was

00:11:26.940 going to do before but it's all it's all part of the same play right the the the powers that be

00:11:33.900 have learned over a long period of time that the public can be manipulated and they're not wrong

00:11:39.500 that's the real problem they're not wrong that the public can be manipulated and why particular

00:11:44.700 voters in ontario or elsewhere would be willing after these past nine years to to to to think that

00:11:52.940 maybe things are not so bad after all couldn't couldn't begin to tell you you know it reminds

00:11:58.620 me of the provincial uh politics you know you had the dalton mcginty government back in the early

00:12:04.140 2000s and you know they ruled with popular appeal for many years and then all of a sudden there was

00:12:09.660 just too many scandals and too much waste and there was this huge boondoggle with the um gas

00:12:14.700 power plants being cancelled in the election and so they got rid of dalton mcginty and then they

00:12:19.580 just put kathleen wynne in and i could i couldn't believe that ontario voters rewarded her with a

00:12:25.100 with a government but they did because i think they saw even though kathleen wynne was a minister

00:12:29.740 in mcginty's government i think they they saw there was enough change right it's not mcginty

00:12:33.820 anymore it's this new it's this fresh face this woman she's going to be different and even though

00:12:38.000 it's just the same party the same apparatus the same people behind the scenes they saw it as

00:12:42.520 enough of a change and and gave her uh another government now to be fair in the next election

00:12:47.660 after that doug ford won and he's now um set to win his third straight majority government so i

00:12:53.140 don't know that it paid off in the long run for the liberals but it's interesting that voters

00:12:56.440 would be willing to to forgive a party with it with a new face on the front in front it's the

00:13:00.800 power of a brand right we this is you know goes back to my original point i mean the liberal

00:13:06.940 party has a brand and people associate things with the brand that maybe aren't true but that

00:13:12.460 doesn't matter because it's in their head it's like it's like coca-cola coca-cola is a brand

00:13:17.380 and the brand sells the product the branding of the political party sells the product even if the

00:13:23.020 product stinks and and so there's there's real value and the and the and the brand is essentially

00:13:30.800 a private one privately held people think that the natural order of things in canada is or for

00:13:36.960 that matter in a province ontario say the natural order of things is that the liberals or the

00:13:42.500 conservatives have to be the government because that's the way we do things i mean i know there

00:13:46.040 ndp exceptions but essentially the voters won't entertain the possibility that a newcomer to the

00:13:54.700 political arena might might be a better go this doesn't happen and so if you are able to take

00:14:01.660 control of one of these brands then you've got a shot if not you're you're out in the political

00:14:08.520 wilderness and that's a very hard thing to shake even if the parties themselves spend years

00:14:15.300 denigrating their brand people don't seem to notice it's a very it's a very powerful um

00:14:22.980 deeply held uh perception and uh and difficult to shake well a huge part of the liberal party's

00:14:29.540 brand is sort of this appeal to anti-american sentiment i think that lives strongest in the

00:14:35.540 minds of central canadians and laurentians that they really define themselves as canadians as

00:14:40.500 just being not Americans and counter to the American and the stronger that anti-American

00:14:44.580 sentiment is the better the liberals seem to do and so we can enter Trump into the conversation

00:14:50.740 and he was really ramping up the rhetoric over the weekend now on the one hand as a conservative

00:14:56.980 that's you know I like Donald Trump I like I like a lot of the things that he says and does

00:15:02.180 um in the states I think that the Canadian conservatives would be better picking up some

00:15:06.420 of those things not all of them but some of them i like trump i think he's hilarious and i think

00:15:10.660 he's good for the country for the us but some of the things he's doing is just not helpful

00:15:15.300 to us canadians and conservatives and i'll give you a few examples so first we'll talk about his

00:15:20.740 appearance on fox news with brian kilmaid and president trump calls justin trudeau a loser says

00:15:27.540 he always has been let's play that clip he won the first game the second game was a great game

00:15:33.060 we could have gone either way justin's a loser always has been and uh you know he's he's uh

00:15:40.740 he's just a guy that really doesn't i think he's done a very bad job for canada he's taking it

00:15:46.340 radical left justin's uh uh sort of a nice guy but he's a loser okay all right thanks for your

00:15:54.820 opinion there president trump uh we know that president trump doesn't have a lot of time for

00:15:58.660 Justin Trudeau because when Justin Trudeau was speaking the night that they introduced the

00:16:05.460 retaliatory tariffs to Trump's tariffs, Trudeau let it slip that he has been trying to get a hold

00:16:10.900 of President Trump and Trump won't take his call. Let's play that clip. What does it tell you about

00:16:16.340 your relationship with President Trump that you've been trying to get a hold of him and he hasn't been

00:16:20.900 in speaking with you. I think this is a time where we've all remarked on just how active

00:16:29.440 President Trump has been in engaging with a wide range of topics in his first weeks in office.

00:16:38.740 So we know that Trump doesn't like Trudeau. And those of us who don't like Trudeau either,

00:16:43.600 we like this fact. It's funny. And I think that Trudeau deserves a bit of trolling and a bit of

00:16:48.440 mockery that he gets. But then at the same time, it sort of fuels this liberal brand. Like the more

00:16:53.740 that Trump is angry at Trudeau and takes it on Trudeau and makes these remarks, somehow the

00:16:59.100 stronger the Liberal Party gets in Canada. What do you make of all this? Well, of course, the, you

00:17:04.760 know, the reactionary knee-jerk anti-Americanism is, has always been, or maybe, I don't know, I don't

00:17:14.720 to overstate it but that has been one of the primary characteristics of the canadian identity

00:17:21.120 we come by it honestly too it's in our cultural dna if you like a lot of people who ended up in

00:17:27.760 canada at the time of the american revolution came to escape the american revolution we we

00:17:33.920 the canadians were canadian because they didn't want to be american and and and let's put it

00:17:40.080 it another way over the past let's say five years or so um a lot of of the canadian

00:17:48.960 chattering classes have decided that canada is a terrible country a settler country an oppressive

00:17:56.960 country a you know a an evil capitalist western country and it seems like the only country that

00:18:03.180 they think is worse is the united states uh so it's it's hilarious to have watched them denigrate

00:18:12.600 the canadian flag for example and now suddenly when the americans and trump are trolling them

00:18:17.340 now they want to wrap themselves in the canadian flag it's just it's just another piece of the

00:18:22.720 hypocrisy we've been talking about and the question is is anybody noticing is is the canadian

00:18:27.960 population noticing the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies, the shrillness of the response.

00:18:36.180 And I fear that the answer is that it won't be a very large proportion of the population.

00:18:42.280 It almost feels like we're back in COVID hysteria, Bruce. It's like, you remember back

00:18:46.820 then when they said that you couldn't go to church, you couldn't go to like your community

00:18:50.480 group. I couldn't go for a walk in the park with my kids. My kids couldn't play on the playground

00:18:54.200 because somehow that was going to be dangerous for covid and yet you could walk into the local

00:18:58.840 loblaws or costco or any of these big box stores and they were open for business and it's like

00:19:05.000 how how many make sense of that right like how is it not only that they can impose these ridiculous

00:19:11.400 rules um but that the vast majority of canadians will just go along with it right it's like the

00:19:16.440 buy canada campaign where you know i i read on x uh someone was recounting a story about how

00:19:21.880 they were in a costco in ottawa about to buy something and then they got scolded by a fellow

00:19:27.240 shopper saying you can't buy that that's made in america you have to buy something in canada it's

00:19:30.920 like it's like hello you're in costco like costco is like a bigger right exactly the mindset of like

00:19:38.200 you know you can't buy something american but you're obvious or or all the people who who say

00:19:42.920 uh you know they hate elon musk uh whilst engaging on x it's just inherently contradictory and yet

00:19:50.200 somehow it works somehow the liberals have managed to use this momentum uh to to boost themselves in

00:19:56.600 the polls i'm going to play another example so uh again this is the kind of thing that as a

00:20:01.240 canadian conservative i find it hilarious um but not helpful not helpful um so president trump was

00:20:06.760 speaking at the republicans governors association in washington dc and he said i guess rather

00:20:12.200 benevolently that that he likes the canadian national anthem and that when canada becomes

00:20:16.600 a 51st state we can keep our national we can keep oh canada let's play that clip uh you heard the

00:20:23.240 people booing the national anthem but i think ultimately they'll be praising the national anthem

00:20:28.840 we'll have to work out some deal with it because i do like the oh canada right it's a beautiful

00:20:34.120 thing i think we're gonna have to keep it for the 51st state i call him governor trudeau i said

00:20:39.720 governor trudeau's doing a wonderful job i think it's actually cost him his election if you want

00:20:44.840 to know the truth no president trump it hasn't cost him the election it's helping him it's helping

00:20:50.680 his party every time trump says 51st state it helps the liberals well so but this is a kind of

00:20:57.000 moment of truth for canada really right and and i know people want to focus on trudeau and the

00:21:03.560 present liberal government and fair enough but but this is a much bigger picture than them right

00:21:10.120 it uh our our main threat today in my opinion comes from inside not from outside now the out

00:21:19.440 there are lots of threats from outside as well but part of the problem is that our threats from

00:21:24.480 inside are colluding with those outside threats and so it's not just trudeau to get rid of trudeau

00:21:30.360 the problem's not solved carney is going to be a problem but he's not the problem i the conservatives

00:21:36.120 listen i have to say this if the conservatives get in that does not solve the problem like i'm

00:21:40.600 not partisan about this i think we have some real serious structural constitutional problems in this

00:21:47.720 country that we are pretending to not exist one of the things i think that a lot of covet dissidents

00:21:54.440 in canada discovered was that the country that they thought they lived in does not actually

00:22:06.120 exists. It's a figment of their imagination. And a lot of people are defending now, I think,

00:22:13.300 the country they have in their imagination. That country does not exist. Our main problems are

00:22:20.300 internal. It's the way the country is organized. It's the people who lead us. It's our elites.

00:22:26.120 It's our chattering classes. It's the idea that we need to be managed as a country. It's in our

00:22:31.600 cultural heritage. We have to rethink, I think, what this country is. And Trump, for all this

00:22:38.600 trolling, and I understand what you're saying about the political moment, but Trump has opened

00:22:47.680 the door to a conversation. Now, maybe the conversation will go badly. I don't know.

00:22:51.720 But it is at least now possible to speak about what Canada is and where our fortunes lie,

00:22:59.760 where they where we what we should do now because this country's in a mess i didn't agree i i mean

00:23:05.120 i raised this on um an interview i did last week with professor uh david haskell from wilfrid laurier

00:23:11.200 where like canada's i i think canada's at rock bottom i i i can't i can't imagine the economic

00:23:17.280 situation getting any worse i mean when the loonie went down to 68 it's it's popped back up a little

00:23:22.080 bit but you know you have a declining dollar you have just every single economic problem cost of

00:23:27.680 living cost of housing cost of groceries cost of fuel everything compounding from the liberal

00:23:32.000 government agenda but then on top of that you have this social division not just the separatist

00:23:37.920 movements but at a local community level like people don't feel safe in their homes in their

00:23:42.720 communities and i talk to so many people who every time i talk to people from toronto it's like that

00:23:47.120 all they're talking about is home robberies home invasions carjackings and the rampant problem of

00:23:53.120 illegal immigration and legal immigration and even among immigrant communities it has completely

00:23:58.240 divided them like people just don't feel safe on the streets of toronto and even in safe suburbs

00:24:02.240 they don't feel safe and to me like canada's just not in a good place and i and i agree with pierre

00:24:08.960 polly of the conservative leader when he says canada's broken of course it's broken it's been

00:24:12.160 broken for a long time it really came to the surface during covid and now again with this

00:24:16.800 hyperinflation and with crime and you know if if there were to be a time where canada could fall

00:24:24.400 i mean having this offer from trump it's like it's like this would be a time where more more

00:24:28.880 canadians than usual i think might be open to the idea of it so i think it's an interesting

00:24:32.960 conversation i want to bring this tie this to your recent substack piece that you wrote last week

00:24:37.200 um a declaration of independence for alberta right you're not from alberta you're not you're

00:24:42.160 you're not an Albertan, but you believe that Alberta potential would be greater if they

00:24:48.720 were independent or potentially part of the United States. So why don't you tell us a little bit about

00:24:52.460 that? Yes. So as you say, I'm not from Alberta. I'm an Ontario boy. And so it's really not my

00:24:59.120 place to do this. But I thought, listen, I might as well express what I would say if I was from

00:25:04.100 Alberta, because I perceive that they've, not just Alberta, but Alberta first and foremost,

00:25:08.840 really has had a raw deal in confederation for for for quite a while uh and and i know that

00:25:16.200 there are a lot of people in alberta who feel that way and it might not be in a majority but

00:25:19.960 there's a lot of people that i have encountered who who very firmly think that their fortunes

00:25:25.160 would be much better off either independent or as a part of of the us of a and and this is all part

00:25:32.760 of the part of the results of the of the flaws in this country as they have come to be

00:25:39.020 so let's just talk about alberta first in particular alberta alberta's primary industries

00:25:46.060 have been intentionally impeded over a long period of time well both by the federal government

00:25:53.260 and by other provinces so for one example quebec refuses to approve pipeline to move alberta oil

00:26:01.060 from where it is to the east coast the federal government over a period of time has done its

00:26:08.560 best to undermine alberta's constitutional jurisdiction through things like the impact

00:26:13.580 assessment act and there is the bugbear of equalization for a long time the wealth of

00:26:20.940 individual albertans has been taxed by the federal government and then redistributed across the

00:26:25.020 country and you know it's a federation so it's cooperative and so sometimes you know we help out

00:26:30.020 other places but this has been going in one direction for a long time so i do not blame

00:26:35.460 albertans at all those who think that their fortunes might be better somewhere else i i

00:26:40.920 completely understand where they're coming from the the thing is that a lot of these problems i

00:26:46.900 think can be traced to our canadian history because there was a moment and i alluded to it

00:26:52.140 earlier there was a moment where when the americans were deciding that they did not want to live under

00:26:58.060 the thumb of the british king anymore they would have um taken us on board and said let's all do

00:27:05.020 this together let's be a continent and the canadians at the time refused they they wanted

00:27:11.900 to be subject to the king and you know maybe for them that decision made sense at the time i can't

00:27:18.380 put myself in their shoes but nevertheless that is the legacy of this country and so there's a

00:27:24.620 determination on the part of many canadians and some of them i would think don't understand why

00:27:31.180 they're so committed to this but they're committed number one to being non-american

00:27:36.540 and number two they're committed to being under the thumb of the crown

00:27:41.420 and uh i i don't think that either one of those two things as a knee-jerk reaction is very helpful

00:27:47.820 i think it's important for us to take this moment this opportunity to rethink the decision we made

00:27:54.380 in 1775 to rebuff the americans and say well hold on let's just rethink this again we have another

00:28:01.900 choice now that we have the choice again what would it mean to to join the americans that's

00:28:09.500 not going to happen as a country i mean i know trump's controlling us as a 51st state

00:28:13.900 i don't think there's any prospect at all of canada as a unit becoming the 51st state

00:28:20.220 the the the embedded interest in our federal system in our in our in our national system

00:28:28.480 simply will not stand for that because their status and and and fortunes depend upon having

00:28:34.800 this small pond they're big fish in a small pond the small pond has to continue but there's no

00:28:40.660 reason why an aggrieved province like alberta couldn't step out and say you know what we've

00:28:46.080 been mistreated, we're out. And once you had one or maybe two, my colleague Lawrence Solomon has

00:28:53.280 suggested this, that maybe two at a time might be appropriate. And he's suggesting Alberta and

00:28:57.860 Newfoundland. Newfoundland is the most recent entry to Confederation. It, for a time, looked

00:29:03.560 like it wanted to join the United States. There's still some rumblings of that around, I understand,

00:29:09.660 in Newfoundland. Alberta and Newfoundland together, once you had one or two,

00:29:13.440 even if it wasn't finished yet even if they started on the path that might start a cascade

00:29:23.240 a domino effect and suddenly we would be in a different territory in terms of talking about

00:29:29.460 what we ought to do as a as a as a country and that's a that's a conversation i think we have

00:29:35.800 to have and then i mean if we were to play out this hypothetical scenario where alberta

00:29:41.020 and new finland said okay we probably would have a better go at things if we were part of the u.s

00:29:46.580 uh you know lower cost of living more purchasing power higher standard of living all these things

00:29:51.880 that we've talked about so much on this show i mean what would what would happen to the rest of

00:29:55.480 canada at that point well i so i would think that the rest of canada maybe province by province or

00:30:04.320 region by region would then consider whether or not it wanted to go to undergo the same process

00:30:10.260 So I would imagine, let's just hypothetically, we're blue sky here, but let's just imagine, let's say Alberta and Newfoundland were either accepted as states or on the way to becoming states.

00:30:21.660 I would have thought that the people in Saskatchewan, for example, would immediately say, well, us too, don't leave us behind, we want to join, and so on.

00:30:29.260 I suspect, this is just a guess, but I suspect that Ontario and Quebec will be the holdouts

00:30:36.440 because they have the most to lose because that's where the power base in Canada is.

00:30:40.960 All the Laurentians live there.

00:30:42.980 Who knows? Quebec might decide that finally it does want to be an independent country.

00:30:47.700 I don't know.

00:30:48.800 Ontario might be the last man standing to its detriment, but so be it.

00:30:55.080 A lot of Ontarians that don't want to be the last man standing might move elsewhere so that they can join the people who are moving off.

00:31:04.440 Who knows?

00:31:05.140 I mean, there are so many different scenarios.

00:31:07.240 And maybe Alberta would decide to be independent and not part of the United States.

00:31:10.800 Who knows?

00:31:11.940 The point is that the status quo has proven to be not very good.

00:31:16.880 and we now have choices in front of us that we need to talk about in a in a way that's not

00:31:23.840 the knee-jerk reaction we're having right now it's so interesting because i mean when you hear

00:31:30.460 that i think the whole conversation was designed to annoy canadians and specifically the election

00:31:35.380 elites like that's why i i held up for a long time that i did think trump was joking i i didn't think

00:31:40.140 that he was serious i thought that it was you know if you read the art of the deal he says like

00:31:43.940 throw out the most you know to start a negotiation throw out the most outrageous demands and then you

00:31:49.380 know by the time you get back to what you want it sounds much more reasonable and it seemed it

00:31:53.220 seemed like trolling it seemed like he was just kind of putting it out there but then like i said

00:31:56.900 you know we're at this low point in canadian history in just so many ways and it's like well

00:32:02.340 like i mean some of the things that trump says is accurate like canada doesn't have a real military

00:32:07.780 we don't hold our own weight we don't really protect our arctic and if you look at it from

00:32:12.420 like perspective of for instance uh a journalist uh sam cooper who's done deep dive investigation

00:32:17.460 great great great work yeah chinese infiltration into so many different aspects of our society

00:32:22.740 you know it's not just political interference which the liberal government's happy to sweep

00:32:25.940 under the rug but it's also like our financial institutions and the police stations and there's

00:32:29.940 just you know corporate sps there's just deep deep levels of chinese integration and you think you

00:32:34.820 know in what way is canada sovereign state today we we can't even protect ourselves from these

00:32:39.140 nefarious foreign actors i mean you know it's not even to get into different sort of islamist

00:32:44.900 operations that happen in canada or the iranians that that have these cultural community centers

00:32:49.060 there to like influence the culture like we we don't have this sovereign independent country

00:32:57.220 we have all of these influences that we can't even protect ourselves against so if you look down the

00:33:01.860 road like 25 50 years um would you rather be under china's influence or would you rather be part of

00:33:08.500 america i think even the most anti-american um you know loyalists and the historic loyalists in

00:33:14.740 canada would still probably say that they they would rather be under the american influence than

00:33:19.620 the chinese um i think although given the fact that the liberals have allowed so much of this

00:33:24.580 maybe they would prefer the chinese i don't know yeah i think i think a lot of canadians don't

00:33:30.020 appreciate one of the reasons why the americans are now interested in acquiring canada why trump

00:33:37.300 is trolling us like this it's because we have become a threat to them because we have allowed

00:33:42.920 this infiltration that you're referring to i mean we have not been a serious country for quite a

00:33:47.360 while and we've assumed a kind of canadian manifest destiny that we are we are we are do

00:33:54.120 certain things but here's the here's the hypocrisy or the irony of canada at the same time that we

00:33:59.500 carry our anti-americanism on our shoulders we live under their umbrella you know we we benefit

00:34:05.240 from economic integration with them we we depend upon them for military protection we've assumed

00:34:10.920 for forever or at least since world war ii that that if anybody attacked us the americans would

00:34:16.720 defend us if if not for our benefit then certainly for theirs and as long as we were a benign you

00:34:23.880 know a secure source of you know resources and nice people everything for the as far as the

00:34:32.120 Americans were concerned everything was fine but we have allowed our country to be influenced in

00:34:37.940 very bad ways and we've gone down downhill what you say about the military is correct we couldn't

00:34:42.840 defend our own borders if we if we tried and and uh there are foreign powers now knocking on the

00:34:50.280 Americans door because of us so we are now we are now a threat and they're not going to put up with

00:34:56.220 that so we either have we either have to fix ourselves which would be a very difficult thing

00:35:01.420 to do because of all of the internal problems, or the Americans are going to come in and fix it for

00:35:07.420 us. I want to bring in something that Ben Shapiro, so Daily Wire co-founder and conservative,

00:35:12.900 probably the most famous conservative pundit in the States. He wrote the following on Facebook

00:35:19.180 this morning. He wrote, I still don't understand why we're levying 25% tariffs on Canada. I've got

00:35:25.320 to be honest with you. I don't understand that one. I get it on Mexico. I get it on China.

00:35:29.000 In fact, I think we should have much higher tariff on China because China is an actual

00:35:34.040 geopolitical enemy, but I don't understand exactly what we're trying to pry out of the

00:35:38.680 Canadians.

00:35:39.580 So Bruce, tell me, what is it that Ben Shapiro doesn't understand?

00:35:43.480 Well, I don't know.

00:35:44.440 Just from that passage, he might not understand the degree to which China has, and not just

00:35:50.660 China, other powers as well, have infiltrated and influenced what's going on in Canada.

00:35:59.000 Uh, you know, I, and Sam Cooper knows an awful lot more about this than I do, but, but, uh, you know, it's not, and it's not just fentanyl, it's organized crime, it's political interference, all of these things have been alleged, uh, there, there's, I've certainly heard credible accounts that they're real, um, and so the, the 25% tariff, I mean, who knows, it's Trump, right?

00:36:21.580 And one of Trump's strengths is that he's unpredictable.

00:36:27.040 And he does throw things out to rattle you.

00:36:30.560 And it's very effective.

00:36:32.980 I mean, the Canadians are rattled.

00:36:35.600 And so I don't know what his end game is,

00:36:37.560 but to try and predict what he's going to do is very difficult and not the point.

00:36:41.480 The point is that you and I here are now talking about this,

00:36:45.260 along with a whole lot of other people in this country.

00:36:48.360 And that's a good thing.

00:36:49.800 And that's probably what they want.

00:36:51.420 They want as many Canadians, I think, as possible to understand, we have some problems, and the Americans have noticed, and they're not going to allow us to become a threat to them.

00:37:02.740 So if you don't want interference from the Americans, then get rid of the interference from other places.

00:37:08.980 I completely agree with you.

00:37:10.240 It's interesting.

00:37:10.800 I want to play in this other clip because Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, was on with CBS journalist Catherine Hedgebridge over the weekend, former CBS journalist.

00:37:19.140 And he basically said that this whole 51st state thing came from Justin Trudeau, that

00:37:25.240 it was Justin Trudeau's comments at a dinner at Mar-a-Lago that basically started it all.

00:37:29.860 Let's play that clip.

00:37:31.300 In a hot mic moment, Canada's prime minister said that absorbing Canada is a real thing.

00:37:38.200 Is it a real thing?

00:37:39.480 Look, you know how that came about.

00:37:41.280 Presidents meeting with Trudeau and Trudeau says, well, if you even out our trade relationship,

00:37:46.000 then we will cease to exist as a country.

00:37:47.780 at which point the president responded very logically and that is well if you can't exist

00:37:51.960 without cheating and trade then you should become a state and we know this because fox news's peter

00:37:59.300 ducey reported this right after that meeting in mar-a-lago so interesting bruce because trudeau

00:38:04.540 came back we didn't hear anything about this from the canadian side and it wasn't until american

00:38:11.240 reporting on this dinner um peter ducey said the same thing let's uh we have that clip so let's play

00:38:15.660 that. And tonight, we're getting some new details about that Trump-Trudeau dinner from two people

00:38:21.580 who were at the table. We are told that when Trudeau told President-elect Trump that new

00:38:27.160 tariffs would kill the Canadian economy, Trump joked to him that if Canada can't survive

00:38:32.600 without ripping off the US to the tune of $100 billion a year, then maybe Canada should become

00:38:38.720 the 51st state and Trudeau could become its governor. So why would Trudeau give that away,

00:38:46.540 right? It's like you're entering a negotiation with someone who, like you said, is very

00:38:50.360 unpredictable, who has the better hand, right? The Americans have much more power and control

00:38:55.660 over this relationship. It's true that Canada has, even though we have free trade, we have

00:39:01.120 a huge number of subsidies and unfair, even playing field, all kinds of subsidies around

00:39:06.600 sort of core canadian industries including things like uh dairy and cheese and all that kind of

00:39:11.560 stuff uh so why would trudeau say that why would trudeau say that unless i mean i mean i i don't

00:39:16.360 give true i don't think that trudeau is someone who's like thinking ahead and playing 3d chess

00:39:20.440 and is like let me get into this because the canadian people will turn against trump and

00:39:24.600 then that'll help me in the poll but you know this idea is that that trudeau came out and said

00:39:29.400 if if we actually had an even playing field for trade canada wouldn't exist as a country i mean

00:39:35.480 You should be mad at Trudeau, not Trump.

00:39:38.420 Well, yes.

00:39:39.220 So here's a metaphor that keeps running through my head.

00:39:43.420 Canada is like a little brother.

00:39:46.300 The Americans are the older brother.

00:39:48.500 Canada is the little brother.

00:39:49.520 And the little brother assumes that the older brother is going to look after him because that's just the nature of the thing, right?

00:39:57.860 And the little brother can still get away with slagging the older brother because he's a little brother.

00:40:04.020 But when they go to school together and the bullies, you know, pick on the little brother, the big brother is going to protect him and get away with insulting the big brother because he's a little brother.

00:40:17.100 And the big brother is fed up with it.

00:40:21.680 The big brother is saying, no, you know what?

00:40:24.140 We're both adults now.

00:40:25.580 You stand on your own two feet.

00:40:27.200 And if you can't, then I'm done with you.

00:40:29.720 I'm not going to step out now and protect you

00:40:33.020 because I've been doing this for a long time

00:40:35.680 and I'm not doing it anymore.

00:40:38.960 So, you know, put up or shut up.

00:40:41.340 Either this relationship becomes equalized

00:40:43.700 and of course it can never be equalized

00:40:45.620 because we're not equal countries.

00:40:47.460 Access to the American market

00:40:49.900 is the thing that every country in the world wants

00:40:53.520 and we've had it, largely we've had it

00:40:57.820 and we think we're entitled to it because of who we are and where we are and our relationship with

00:41:02.760 them and so on they're fed up with this and i don't blame them in some respects because we've

00:41:08.980 been taking a lot of things for granted and so how do you think let's turn back to the conservative

00:41:14.480 side because i i think in some ways pierre polyev is stuck between a rock and a hard place

00:41:20.180 donald trump is such a wedge even on the conservative side you know half half the

00:41:23.520 conservatives in the country love Donald Trump, half of them hate him and don't want the Polly

00:41:29.260 of party, the conservative party to come even harder and stronger than what Trudeau is saying,

00:41:34.460 like with retaliatory tariffs and with anti-American sentiment and Canada first.

00:41:40.180 Like, but if you were advising Mr. Polly, what would you tell him to do?

00:41:45.200 Well, geez, I'm not a political strategist, so he probably shouldn't take advice from me,

00:41:49.260 but if he did it the way I would like to see, I would like him to pick a lane.

00:41:53.520 Like, come on. Come on, man. Where do you stand on this? And I would like him to say,

00:41:59.320 you know what? We have problems in this country. We have to fix these problems.

00:42:04.680 You know, Trump is trolling us and maybe we don't agree with what he's proposing,

00:42:08.280 but he's got a point. And the point is we have to fix our own house, put our own house in order.

00:42:15.360 I don't really hear that from anybody right now in this country. And that's a shame because

00:42:20.580 that means we're not going to get anywhere. And it means that we're not going to take advantage

00:42:25.940 of the opportunity, this open door that we have. I'm not saying that we have to walk through it.

00:42:31.380 I'm just saying that we have to figure out what to do given the choice. And that's the kind of

00:42:36.220 thing that the conservatives and the liberals and everybody else in the political realm right now

00:42:42.280 is refusing to do. I want to just bring in one more topic to this conversation, Bruce. And that

00:42:47.380 is a this is this is so ironic to me um thousands of canadians have signed a petition asking for the

00:42:53.700 canadian government to revoke elon musk's citizenship so this comes from ndp mp charlie

00:42:59.460 angus he's sponsoring this e-petition saying elon musk is a dual citizen with canada and the united

00:43:05.060 states his mother was born in rudina saskatchewan musk himself attended queen's university where you

00:43:10.900 teach and they are saying that he should not have the privilege of being canadian now i find this

00:43:18.660 ironic because it was just a decade ago that we heard from justin truder that a canadian is a

00:43:23.220 canadian is a canadian and that even terrorists should get to keep their canadian citizenship

00:43:27.700 even if they are are involved in active terrorist plots against canada um that canadian citizenship

00:43:33.700 is totally above uh the fray of partisan politics and yet now you have an mp from the liberal uh

00:43:40.740 from the NDP liberal coalition saying that we should just take people's citizenships

00:43:45.780 away because we don't like them. What do you think? Oh, this is just pathetic. This is small.

00:43:53.900 This is just virtually signaling. I'm sure he's not expecting it to happen. He's just trying to

00:43:59.420 wave the flag in his own way to satisfy the supporters and people who feel the same way.

00:44:06.220 I mean, I think it's ridiculous.

00:44:07.680 It's sad.

00:44:09.120 It's a sad idea from what has become a, well, I don't want to call Canada a sad little country

00:44:16.180 because we are all committed and loyal and fond of our own country.

00:44:25.020 We want the best for it.

00:44:26.400 But the responses that this country is generating to this moment that we have are kind of pathetic

00:44:34.140 and disappointing.

00:44:36.220 I would like us to have a much more sophisticated conversation, an open-eyed, open-minded conversation about the position that we're in.

00:44:46.160 And I just don't hear very much of it happening.

00:44:49.940 Now, in some places it is happening.

00:44:52.960 There's a small group of people who understand, I think, I perceive, they understand that this country has found itself in a mess, but the numbers are still too small.

00:45:06.940 Well, certainly if you look at the polling, you see the resurgence and surge on the liberal side.

00:45:11.880 It's alarming that so many Canadians can sort of succumb to the narrative that they're being told that America is the enemy and that we have to wrap ourselves on the flag.

00:45:22.680 And the liberal flag, not just the Canadian flag, but the liberal party is the one that can protect us.

00:45:27.440 Hopefully, there's still time and hopefully more Canadians will come around to this idea that we're not angels.

00:45:34.960 and we have an opportunity to improve our country.

00:45:37.940 I don't think that joining the United States

00:45:40.360 is really in the cards,

00:45:41.640 but I mean, the way that you laid out

00:45:43.960 and the idea that maybe Alberta should seriously consider,

00:45:47.240 I'll mention, I did raise this question.

00:45:49.160 I interviewed Premier Danielle Smith, Alberta Premier,

00:45:51.220 and I did ask her about this specifically.

00:45:54.560 And she basically just said that she understands

00:45:57.720 why many Canadians would want to become Americans.

00:46:02.200 I mean, specifically, I think 45% of young males

00:46:04.920 uh age 18 to 34 say that they would take american citizenship and and she says she understands

00:46:10.600 because of the economics of it like it's not it's not a matter of love of country or patriotism it's

00:46:14.680 just a matter of pure like where can i have the best life and for many that that is the united

00:46:19.800 states i don't know if you caught that interview because but did you did you want to comment at all

00:46:22.760 on that well so i i totally understand why federal politicians wouldn't want to endorse this idea

00:46:30.440 and as i say that's not going to happen as a as a unit i understand uh danielle's hesitation to

00:46:37.400 to to put her eggs in that basket it's politically difficult to do that because an awful lot of

00:46:43.240 people are not there yet and maybe they'll never be there maybe it's a loser idea politically i

00:46:48.200 don't i don't know um but but i have to say that that a politician in the position of of premier

00:46:55.560 smith uh would would i mean she just imagine this again i'm blue skying but imagine imagine

00:47:03.080 that this actually happened with alberta and she became the first governor of the state of alberta

00:47:10.600 i mean that would be pretty cool it'd be cool for her it'd be cool for the for for alberta

00:47:16.200 and so at the same time that i understand their hesitation to jump in with both feet

00:47:22.480 I hope that in some corner of their brain, they will be thinking, well, you know, how could this, how could this occur?

00:47:31.320 And I don't think, and my guess is that there won't be any official referendum, referenda on this, even in Alberta.

00:47:40.100 But what I've been suggesting is, and we have history with this because of Quebec, right?

00:47:45.300 We have a Supreme Court decision setting out what would be needed to start this process.

00:47:49.220 we even have a federal statute setting out what would be needed although the federal statute

00:47:53.460 you know is a statute only but but you'd need a referendum in alberta with a clear question

00:48:01.120 that a majority of people approve and that would start it it wouldn't finish it it would start it

00:48:05.740 start the progress process of negotiating what what was going to happen and that referendum is

00:48:12.540 a in an official sense is not going to happen anytime soon and so what i've been saying is

00:48:17.740 to Albertans it's like hold your own like go out there and organize your own referendum it won't

00:48:24.740 be binding it won't satisfy the requirements but if you get a good result it will then require the

00:48:30.800 powers that be to hold an official referendum and you got and you got to start somewhere and

00:48:36.260 who knows where it will lead you try not try not to worry about the end and instead worry about

00:48:44.620 the next step and let's see what happens well it's very very thought-provoking and interesting

00:48:50.060 bruce party thank you so much for joining the podcast and thank you for your uh thoughts as

00:48:55.020 usual we appreciate your time it's been a real pleasure candace thanks for having me all right

00:48:58.940 let's do it again soon okay thank you so much for tuning in that's it for us today we'll be

00:49:02.220 be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - February 24, 2025

One Party Rule in Canada! The Liberals are rigging the system

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