Juno News - Ostriches avoid execution

00:00:00.000 so alex we're gonna be uh we're gonna be talking about ostriches today not in the

00:00:04.320 context that i want to ask you right now though you were telling me there's some sort of ostrich

00:00:08.960 racing is that like horse racing like people bet on it and stuff what's the deal there yeah so it's

00:00:13.760 kind of like the kentucky derby or whatever apparently it comes from africa which is where

00:00:17.520 the ostrich comes from so that makes sense i think it started in south africa it's really amusing to

00:00:22.400 watch if anybody wants to i don't know see people ride birds they can go on youtube and you can

00:00:29.040 just search ostrich racing there's tons of clips they usually give the ostriches lots of funny names

00:00:34.400 and yeah it's pretty cool you know they say like god made all the animals and it's just so cool that

00:00:39.120 we live on a planet where you can literally jump on a bird and ride it is it like a like a circuit like

00:00:46.000 they just have like a 400 meter track that they race around uh yeah typically laps kind of thing

00:00:51.680 it's pretty short track because it's hard to stay on an ostrich i don't know if it's a center of

00:00:57.280 gravity thing somebody used the analogy it's kind of like an exercise ball that's floating in the air

00:01:03.600 like just in terms of its shape i struggle enough to stay on those things on the ground man

00:01:10.640 yeah i imagine it's a great core workout and it's probably safer than rocking a pole

00:01:15.840 um you know all of this publicity around ostriches is might be like the best thing that ever happened to

00:01:20.720 the ostrich industry in canada because now people are more fascinated than ever with what is the

00:01:26.640 earth's largest bird they grow to be seven to nine feet tall and over 300 pounds my pitch for next week's

00:01:33.840 show we all record on an exercise ball last last man standing wins anyways my name is isaac lammer i'm

00:01:41.920 here with my colleagues from true north waleed tam tam and alex zoltan let's hop right into the show

00:01:50.240 yeah alex so perhaps a surprising week in uh maybe in politics that being that we were all

00:01:57.760 uh encapsulated let's say by the ostrich uh phenomenon i don't know what you want to call it

00:02:04.720 because we we obviously saw uh videos over the days even from helicopters of what was going

00:02:11.280 on in this farm so yeah what was kind of what was happening with these uh just um so this is a

00:02:20.160 large ostrich farm in a settlement it's actually a town so small that it's technically qualifies

00:02:24.720 as a settlement in bc called edgewood uh what happened as i understand it is some of the birds

00:02:30.560 got sick with h5n1 avian flu this is about a year ago um give or take a couple of months and 63 of the

00:02:39.040 flock died and then the rest of the birds we can assume reasonably safely i think and i'm not an avian

00:02:45.520 flu expert by any stretch of the imagination but that they're healthy and they're probably

00:02:51.120 they have the antibodies for avian flu in any case what happened was the farm was doing some kind of

00:02:58.880 research with the university in japan but they were still classified i believe as a bird farm

00:03:06.800 and so cfia which is canada's food inspection agency federal government's made food especially to see

00:03:13.760 kind of the canadian equivalent the fda said that they had to call these birds and the farm owners

00:03:20.000 took it to court it went to the supreme court then they lost then they went to the federal court of

00:03:25.040 appeals and then in the last minute surprise intervention an indigenous tribe has stepped in

00:03:30.880 and said that the farmers on unceded territory uh which kind of forced the rcmp's hand there's

00:03:36.320 there's just a lot going on here i find that really funny because you know we just had this couch in

00:03:41.200 tribes uh case in bc where the uh supreme court judge at the provincial level an upper court judge

00:03:48.160 decided that a vast swath of richmond which is a suburb of vancouver would be dual title between

00:03:53.440 aboriginal title and regular fee simple which just basically means private ownership

00:03:57.120 so bc has been kind of playing around with property rights and and saying that you know

00:04:03.760 if indigenous people make a claim to property rights that it should be a matter for the courts

00:04:07.520 and so in a really weird twist of fate it seems like these ostrich farm owners have kind of taken

00:04:13.120 advantage of that and used it to force the government's hand to retreat on this proposed calling

00:04:20.400 that's a lot of information is it that they were literally going to kill these birds but then at

00:04:26.800 the last second uh an indigenous tribe just came there and said you're not going to do this they

00:04:32.240 literally saved the farmers is that right it's not exactly clear because the superior court hasn't

00:04:38.080 really given their exact reasons but there is video of one of the farm owners um approaching the rcmp

00:04:45.120 with a declaration from i think it's the okanagan silix nation i hope that i'm pronouncing that correctly

00:04:50.880 saying that they believe the farmers on unceded territory so yeah if this couch and tribes case

00:04:57.280 is any indication i mean it could be like another five or six years before if this gets gets resolved

00:05:04.960 i mean i think that there are some issues here in terms of the length of time that this is taken

00:05:10.160 right because in this case you have 400 ostriches and i do believe that they're all probably you know

00:05:15.440 relatively safe now but what if we did have like you know a large group of chickens that had avian flu

00:05:22.400 i mean avian flu is nothing to mess around with right like it has a fatality rate of over 40 percent

00:05:27.200 i think amongst humans and so it's yeah not something that we want to take lightly and it's kind of yeah go

00:05:36.320 ahead we'll lead like i said i mean the videos were all over x at least uh were you paying attention to

00:05:42.320 this at all were you uh encapsulated like were you interested in the story well what i found

00:05:48.000 interesting was that the twitter coverage at least from what i saw was dominated by conservative voices

00:05:53.120 were typically conservative reporters or or you know more right-leaning outlets and i was just very

00:05:58.480 interesting because you know this this has something perhaps to do with animal welfare um perhaps

00:06:03.840 this is like a coalition building exercise between you know your more left-leaning uh you know animal

00:06:09.520 rights activists and then your you know your civil liberties activists there definitely isn't already

00:06:15.280 for those two um camps and so i was just really curious as to why the coverage seemed to be so

00:06:21.040 focused from from that angle because i don't really see any mainstream coverage until very recently and

00:06:25.840 even now it's very limited to be fair so uh i was just surprised by the the volume of attention and

00:06:31.280 where that tension was coming from and exactly why that is again like alex said one of our previous

00:06:36.560 episode off the record is you know as people uh you know retain some frustration towards government

00:06:42.240 the issue can change the figurehead can change i guess this is one example where people just you

00:06:46.960 know remain pissed off i guess you know when you when you travel on hybrid property whether a farm or

00:06:53.200 someone's home or livelihood there's always a sentiment i think right now to to be skeptical and to

00:07:00.160 to push back as much as you can so i guess there's definitely a lot of that in terms of the the

00:07:04.560 genuine volume of support out there for these uh for these farmers or these ostrich farmers

00:07:13.680 yeah i didn't see any mainstream media coverage until the supreme court granted that stay and then

00:07:19.040 they covered it and i was like i just found that weird it's like you're not going to cover the story

00:07:23.600 at all but then this the supreme court does something and now you cover it it's like well what about all the

00:07:27.280 the stuff that led up to this it's like why even report on it at all at that point yeah alex i've seen

00:07:31.680 you uh uh in whatever those x things are called uh like talking about this every night so obviously

00:07:39.200 there may be no one in canada who's no knows more about these ostriches than alex zoltan the ostrich

00:07:43.440 expert yeah so just uh i mean what what else do you have to say no so i actually know very little as

00:07:49.520 compared to a friend of the show drea humphrey she's amazing she's been covering this i think today is day

00:07:54.800 264 of this is a legal matter i did um i think i hosted a spaces where we talked about contrarian

00:08:02.480 opinions on the ostriches and that was really interesting because um as well you had mentioned

00:08:08.400 most of the voices against the ostrich calling have come from the right but that is not to say that the

00:08:13.600 right is completely uniform in its opinion on this case there are lots of conservatives who think that

00:08:18.960 the ostriches should be called and i think that they do deserve a voice um even if their opinion

00:08:23.760 is slightly contrarian because as i mentioned earlier avian flu is like a really serious thing

00:08:29.840 and so just to give you guys a little bit of context in terms of how the law works obviously

00:08:34.080 an ostrich is not a chicken but under the law an ostrich is a chicken they're classified basically

00:08:40.400 it's the same thing they're both classified as foul and so there are a lot of people saying that they

00:08:46.080 should test the ostriches to see if they have the antibodies and if they're healthy and if they're

00:08:50.400 healthy they should cancel the call but the issue there is that it establishes a precedent that's

00:08:54.320 sort of untenable because chickens are typically bred at a much larger scale so if somebody were

00:09:00.960 a chicken farmer and there was a call ordered by cfia and they took it to court for nine months you

00:09:05.760 know there's there's a good likelihood that the avian flu could spread over that amount of time and just

00:09:10.800 to give you some context of how large these calls are when it comes to chickens i think the last

00:09:14.800 major avian flu scare i can't remember over how many years it was but the cfia called over 19 million

00:09:20.080 chickens so it's just impossible to test millions of chickens right it may be possible to test 400

00:09:26.640 ostriches but it's not possible to test millions of chickens and and people will say well we don't

00:09:32.000 have avian flu in canada so like why are we even worried about this well absence of evidence is not

00:09:36.640 evidence of absence right the reason that we don't have avian flu may be in fact because our food

00:09:40.720 inspection agencies and the food inspection agencies over the border in the united states are doing their

00:09:44.720 job quite competently and quite well and so that's that's where i'll land my plane on this one

00:09:54.240 sounds to me like the ostriches could perhaps use the separate classification from chickens so we

00:09:59.040 could differentiate there but speaking of moving classifications we're going to move back to a more

00:10:04.640 uh political story which which you wrote believe because you get you got to sit down with uh jason kenny

00:10:09.440 there uh did we maybe want to just start with the clip before we talk about that

00:10:15.520 i think it's a very strange and dangerous initiative on the part of the federal government

00:10:21.360 divisive because the province has only signed on to the patriation of the constitution including the

00:10:28.160 charter of rights back in 1982 because they included the section 33 notwithstanding clause there in other

00:10:35.760 words there would be no charter of rights there would have been no patriation of the constitution

00:10:42.320 so yeah isaac i mean i spoke with former premier jason kenny also former immigration minister

00:10:47.680 harper and the reason why i'm mentioning that title is because his primary objective at the conference of

00:10:53.600 canada 2020 a liberal dominated environment or you could describe a progressive think tank progressive group

00:11:01.520 was to discuss the file of immigration what's gone wrong recently so i think there's at least some

00:11:06.480 admission by liberals themselves that they've gone wrong on immigration uh mark miller former immigration

00:11:12.480 minister under the true government was also present and they shared a panel together where they spoke

00:11:17.600 on the file uh i got a chance to catch up with him talked to him for about half an hour got him on video

00:11:23.200 on the record for about 10 minutes almost so it was uh very generous of him to engage on a number of issues but

00:11:30.000 of course the issue that you're very familiar with as well over the issue of the notwithstanding

00:11:36.480 clause and the fact that the government is taking the uh the taking it to the supreme court to perhaps

00:11:41.920 limit that clause in the first place which of course there's a lot in terms of challenge the national

00:11:46.960 unity i think where my mind's based on the issue right now is both in alberta but especially in quebec where

00:11:53.360 i covered this a few weeks ago the public polling today is sending the keck to perhaps as low as zero

00:12:00.800 seats and it looks like no one can stop the party quebecois the pro separatist referendum party that

00:12:08.320 wants to you know put the question on about in a due time so uh elections coming next year probably

00:12:15.920 around october or before depending on the situation um at the legislative assembly the national legislative

00:12:23.200 assembly of quebec uh but i definitely do think that uh this kind of assault on the notwithstanding

00:12:28.880 clause helps a group like the party quebecois uh further their argument about how ottawa is no

00:12:35.040 longer writing this model of decentralization instead is assaulting on quebec's uh you know freedoms and

00:12:40.960 laws um also frankly the house commons question period this week has been dominated whenever a

00:12:47.760 bloc quebecois member stands up and speaks about anything they're normally speaking about this issue

00:12:52.800 in particular because again not only do they find issue with the action of uh the justice minister son

00:12:58.240 fraser and his liberal government but they're also finding issue with the fact that the justification

00:13:03.280 behind this measure you know going against bill 21 ban on religious symbols by certain public sector

00:13:08.960 employees in public spaces um it's something that you know of course the federal government disagrees

00:13:14.960 with but uh many quebecers are supportive of this measure and the quebecers believe that this is

00:13:20.080 essential to ensure state secularism into the future um and i'm looking primarily at the fact

00:13:25.760 that uh bloc quebecois members are mentioning that the liberal government are perhaps doing this under

00:13:30.160 the eyes of preserving canadian rights such as uh preventing the quebec government from reinstating

00:13:36.240 execution slavery which they found uh i'm not sure exactly what they're referring to in terms of

00:13:41.040 the commentary i haven't heard such from the government to be frank with you but that's what

00:13:45.440 the black quebec corps are essentially saying to their supporters while they're rising and speaking

00:13:48.960 house commons is that essentially government is i think so little of quebecers that they would go so

00:13:53.600 far beyond the rights of canadians that uh the government needs to step in in order to avoid them

00:13:58.240 throwing uh into those those those two directions as i mentioned so very interesting issue but if i can just

00:14:04.480 twist it to you isaac thoughts from alberta i mean is this perhaps a big plus one for the

00:14:10.240 i guess republican movement or the one of the separatist movements you can tell us more about

00:14:15.440 that i'm sure this is definitely a big win for them yeah no i was actually going to ask you willy

00:14:19.760 because obviously i saw kenny basically said the constitution maybe even confederation wouldn't exist

00:14:24.640 without the notwithstanding clause is that did he say that would be his concern if the liberals

00:14:29.840 progressed this and actually like nullified the the the notwithstanding clause would it be that

00:14:35.200 separation would become a concern or was there other concerns regarding national unity that the

00:14:40.240 provinces could in some way fight back against the feds well i would urge our viewers to go look at

00:14:46.960 the article watch the video as well that's posted in the bottom of the article on juniornews.com

00:14:52.640 the video later on he describes how this is again a positive win a positive victory politically

00:14:58.160 speaking for those independence movements both in alberta and in quebec um his argument stems from

00:15:03.520 the belief that true if there wasn't this clause table there wouldn't have been an acceptance uh you

00:15:09.600 know in this this was in the 80s there wouldn't have been a continuation of of quebec's engagement

00:15:15.040 at the very least and perhaps their provinces would find issue much sooner than they are now so uh

00:15:21.280 definitely i think he looks at this issue as a threat to national unity in canada and i think he

00:15:26.800 described the primary role of the federal government and the prime minister of ensuring continued

00:15:31.600 national unity and that uh you know of course this would go against that agenda frankly so that's

00:15:37.040 his view i don't think he said that uh well for now there definitely is a process for provinces to

00:15:42.880 fight back but he hasn't commented too much on that it was mostly primarily focused on the view of ottawa

00:15:48.080 because of course him and i meet it met in ottawa so definitely took a very federal view on the matter

00:15:53.200 well i'll hop into our next story here which kind of uh touches on national unity because

00:16:00.880 a nationwide billboard campaign which also has graded mark carney's first six months in office

00:16:07.600 has been launched by the buffalo party which i'll just mention the buffalo party is very interesting

00:16:13.200 because it was actually created in 2018 and it basically focuses on the issues in alberta and

00:16:18.720 saskatchewan uh that are ignored by eastern canada and interestingly i learned when writing this

00:16:24.720 article that the name buffalo uh stems from when albert and saskatchewan were uh intended to be

00:16:31.360 called buffalo and actually be one province but former prime minister wilfrid laurier back in the

00:16:36.960 early 1900s if not even the late 1800s split them up because he argued that one province would be too

00:16:43.120 difficult to govern so uh yeah no i'll just say a few things about this uh starting with the billboards

00:16:50.080 uh so i reached out to the campaign and a spokesperson uh said that look that even trying

00:16:55.360 to get these billboards up was absolutely they faced overwhelming censorship the spokesperson told me

00:17:00.240 quote billboard companies and mainstream media tried to block the campaign but buffalo project

00:17:05.840 kept pushing to get the message of western canada out to policy makers in ottawa the billboard and ad

00:17:10.880 campaign will run for four weeks and billboards have been strategically placed in ottawa and the

00:17:15.680 prime minister's constituency riding of nepean nepean to drive home the message that the west refuses

00:17:21.280 to be ignored but what really uh is more interesting than the billboards perhaps is the report cards

00:17:28.400 so uh there were three report cards uh the first one uh this was a joint report card for the demands made

00:17:35.840 by alberta and saskatchewan of course we know premier smith and premier mole both made demands to carney

00:17:41.280 when he first came into office uh so let's just go through the the report card here repeal the impact

00:17:46.960 assessment act aka bill c69 f repeal the emissions cap f minus uh because we know that anyways scrap or

00:17:55.040 amend the clean electricity regulations f minus create trade and energy corridors c okay so we got a c and then

00:18:01.360 give power over the industrial carbon tax to the provinces f minus so not very good there but then

00:18:07.040 it also broke it up even further so for alberta specific asks uh carney got three grades repeal the

00:18:12.960 single use plastic span f repeal the net zero vehicle mandate c because as we know uh carney has paused

00:18:19.840 the mandate not repealed it so that's a c uh and then repeal legislation that censors energy companies f minus

00:18:26.480 uh of course we know that alberta has fought against that in the past and they basically can

00:18:31.440 use the sovereignty act to um take control of that themselves and kind of disregard the feds but

00:18:37.600 that's just a silver lining if you would there is no minus grade that's just getting silly

00:18:43.920 tell that to mark tell that to mark carney alex okay so now uh the saskatchewan asks because as i

00:18:49.360 said i think premier mo actually made 10 demands while smith made um nine but uh carney only got five uh

00:18:55.200 ratings here negotiate with china to remove tariffs on canola f surprise surprise reform

00:19:00.160 the broken bail system d stop trying to collect the carbon tax on home heating d improve the

00:19:06.000 investment climate and accelerate project approval approvals d plus improve pipeline and port capacity

00:19:11.760 d so i mean carney is not doing good and then last thing i'll cover because there is another report

00:19:16.160 card sorry i think i said there was three i guess there's like five the last one is national

00:19:20.240 performance overview economy d minus fiscal responsibility and inflation f not sure how

00:19:25.520 that's not an f minus by the way leadership and accountability d so yeah uh we're obviously seeing

00:19:31.600 some things here uh carney's first six months in office this report card does not grade him well

00:19:37.760 but i'll talk to it a bit about from the alberta aspect because obviously we saw smith gave carney

00:19:42.480 these nine demands six months ago and she said that he needed to fulfill them to quote uh i don't know the

00:19:49.200 exact quote but paraphrasing she said to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis i think that

00:19:53.440 is the exact quote actually um and i i went through the list yesterday he hasn't done any of them as i

00:19:59.040 said he he paused a mandate but he didn't repeal it as per smith's demands so uh the separatists in

00:20:05.520 alberta are definitely um speaking out against this and basically saying look premier you said he has to

00:20:11.360 do these things he didn't do them what now well what's the next step so that's kind of where we're we're

00:20:16.480 we're waiting uh obviously we're talking about western canada here alberta and saskatchewan bc

00:20:22.320 isn't on the list alex so sorry to say that but uh i don't think david evey made any any any such

00:20:27.280 demands for carney so i i wanted to ask you guys uh obviously we're seeing these grades we're seeing

00:20:33.600 carney hasn't really done anything he he he aside from hundreds of millions of dollars to other

00:20:38.880 countries to fix the problems that we actually in canada are facing ourselves we saw recently i think

00:20:43.520 he gave 60 million dollars to haiti to fight uh gang violence and and crime and it's like

00:20:48.000 look on canada's streets do we not need that money that help anyways uh do you guys think that

00:20:53.600 canadians are starting to maybe realize that carney isn't doing the best job in office and he's not

00:20:58.480 living up to his campaign promises because i've seen polls too it's like asking people whether he did

00:21:03.360 a good job with trump which was his number one campaign promise and people are are saying maybe maybe he

00:21:08.320 didn't well i would say you know looking at polls i write a lot of the poll articles we have online

00:21:14.960 and i'm thinking to myself when i see the polls change you know what is changing that score what

00:21:20.160 is what is putting liberals i think the last poll i saw was putting liberals so there's that 40 40 apiece

00:21:26.160 so i was thinking to myself well okay well if that's what's happening it's obviously a gain and then

00:21:31.360 and then loss simultaneously for a few points because those are getting a few points what is

00:21:38.240 the issue um i i mean i would say frankly there's going to be two possible outcomes here you know

00:21:45.040 later in the future we're looking at a possible resurgence of the ndp so there could definitely

00:21:50.320 be some wiggle room in terms of some some soaring up of liberal support if there's some repatriation of

00:21:56.000 ndp voters back to the party uh but i'm thinking about the issue focus of those polls it seems like as

00:22:02.960 crime increases in terms of the concern of the public uh considers gain because considers have

00:22:09.440 much more trust when it comes to crime they're tough on crime rhetoric has been around for a while

00:22:14.240 it's very much part of the brand of both pierre and his team his mps that discuss crime you know

00:22:19.760 larry brock have made multiple media appearances uh of course also former colleague andrew lawton who

00:22:25.920 also sits on the justice committee as well with larry brock so there's definitely a lot of media hits

00:22:30.880 coming out from those voices and on those issues it's uh uh i know rachel thomas spoke about it as

00:22:37.360 well recently about uh uh you know sexual violence and whatnot so i i think the the tories have a large

00:22:44.560 team assembled discussing the issue of crime from multiple dimensions from the revolving door of

00:22:49.840 justice regarding bail reform needs and uh you know increasing hardship penalties for certain kinds

00:22:55.360 of crimes in the violent sphere so i definitely do think that uh crime we've seen evidently speaking

00:23:01.600 crime has has increased as a priority normally you don't hear crime as a major federal issues in

00:23:06.640 kane elections at least not in my lifetime from 2011 2015 2019 there wasn't really much of an issue

00:23:13.280 uh at least on the debate stage i think today if we head into another election we'll definitely hear

00:23:18.400 much more of it as time goes on but also just during house of commons debates

00:23:22.560 events um it's just it's becoming a very very uh regular issue you're hearing about so given that

00:23:28.080 consumers are winning uh unfortunately i think perhaps the cost of public safety let's be honest

00:23:32.720 the more dangerous society gets the more open people are willing to vote so because consumers have a

00:23:37.200 stronger message on crime the message is resonating more because crime is also occurring more so it's

00:23:42.320 obviously i think a bit of a bloody way to the polls but uh unfortunately it's the reality we have today in

00:23:47.520 town yeah and alex do you think uh obviously you're the crime specialist if you want to stay on the

00:23:53.440 crime beat but do you think people are starting to wake up to carney's um failures let's say and

00:23:59.600 obviously we've seen the liberals recently with their uh gun ban pushing that uh more more so virtue

00:24:04.960 signaling than actually focusing on crime because as we know the 90 plus percentile of of of crimes are

00:24:11.040 not committed with legal firearms so yeah do you think people are starting to open their eyes a bit

00:24:17.920 i think so for sure i mean you see it in the news and you see a lot of activity online

00:24:22.880 with people being particularly upset with the crime situation in canada i think it's interesting

00:24:26.800 the carney government didn't even have a crime platform in the upcoming election until just a few

00:24:34.960 weeks before the vote day which is wild to me um they also like the liberal party not necessarily the

00:24:41.200 carney government but under trudeau is responsible for the most dramatic reforms to canadian bail

00:24:46.400 laws and minimum mandatory sentences for drugs and guns but they don't even track bail data so so

00:24:54.240 it's like they don't even know if they even if they were doing a good job they'd have no way to prove

00:24:58.320 it so they haven't been taking this file particularly seriously for the last better part of the last

00:25:03.680 decade and um yeah i think people are quite rightly outraged over it you're saying they don't know how

00:25:09.280 many people are out on bail is that what you mean by when they don't track bail data data yeah so to

00:25:14.000 give you a little bit of uh context how it works so in canada let's say you are charged with a break

00:25:19.520 and enter right so that'll go to the provincial court which is the lower court those courts are

00:25:24.480 administered provincially but bail is the provisions of under which you would receive or be denied bail

00:25:30.800 is under the criminal code which is written by federal legislators so you would think that if they

00:25:36.880 were rewriting the bail laws that they would be tracking what provincial courts are doing in terms of

00:25:42.320 giving or denying bail but they don't they just rely on the provinces to collect that data for themselves

00:25:48.320 and they don't even ask them to pass it on to the federal government i know this because i emailed the

00:25:52.000 department of justice and i said do you guys even know how many people or what percentage are going

00:25:56.000 out on bail or being denied or and they said no we know we don't track that which is crazy well the

00:26:04.400 provinces have been calling for bail reform for years now they've written to the federal department's federal

00:26:11.120 minister saying please reform bail but obviously the the liberals seem to keep pushing that down

00:26:15.680 the road uh they they have been mentioning it at least but uh who knows when that'll be coming so this

00:26:22.240 is this is really crazy so with regards to bail if you're like we all know that they have

00:26:28.240 leniently in canada that that's just a common knowledge of fact you know that we have a quote

00:26:34.480 unquote revolving door justice system but if you're denied bill the system is even crazier if you can

00:26:39.120 believe that so 80 of people in jail in canada right now are just waiting for trial so when i

00:26:46.560 think of a jail in my brain when i imagine a jail i think of like this stone building that should be

00:26:51.520 surrounded by a moat with alligators in it and it should be filled with like rapists and murderers and

00:26:56.160 all the people that we're trying to keep safe from the rest of society that's not the case at all the

00:27:00.800 the federal prisons are actually there's not a lot of people in them we don't sentence people for

00:27:05.360 particularly long so most of canada's inmate prison population is just people in provincial remand

00:27:11.200 waiting for trial gets even crazier of those 80 who are waiting for trial only around three percent

00:27:17.760 will go to trial most of the other charges will either just be mysteriously dropped after months of

00:27:22.800 somebody sitting in pre-trial remand or they will plead guilty they'll just give up in the in the face of

00:27:28.640 this david versus belia type thing that's going on of that three percent who goes to trial gets even

00:27:33.680 crazier less than half of them will be convicted our conviction rate is 41 which includes conditional

00:27:40.400 and absolute discharges so the real conviction rate is probably much lower than 41 so most of the

00:27:45.920 people sitting in canadian jails have not gone to trial likely won't go to trial and if they do go to

00:27:51.760 trial will likely be determined either innocent or will be given a discharge and i'll just yeah look

00:27:58.640 that because i swear i've seen some of these federal ministers talk about how the jails are full

00:28:02.560 overfilling whatever but i mean is it just uh maybe an administrative problem that these people

00:28:08.240 aren't being processed fast enough because from what i'm understanding you're saying the people in

00:28:12.880 jail aren't even necessarily criminals from the fact that they haven't been convicted right and that

00:28:17.760 doesn't mean that they didn't commit the crime right like that's that's important to acknowledge

00:28:22.080 um but technically under civilized society and western rules you're innocent until guilty right so so

00:28:30.000 technically they are innocent but whether they are or not is really either here or there for the

00:28:34.240 purposes of this expose on the the prison system so you said that the prison system is overfilled

00:28:40.960 that's not true at the federal level that is true at the provincial level right so this is where you have

00:28:46.080 your pre-trial detention centers those are quite full of people and what you're also dealing with here

00:28:51.680 is a lot of newcomers so a lot of newcomers i think they get stuck in the system because they don't

00:28:56.400 speak english they need an interpreter they don't understand the canadian legal system very well

00:29:01.040 and what's really crazy so it takes about a year for something to make its way through the court system

00:29:06.240 a little bit of advice for anybody if you're ever criminally charged with something

00:29:11.920 wait as long as you can for your bail hearing just wait it out because you're guaranteed

00:29:16.800 basically you're guaranteed a speedy bail hearing upon being sworn in to the courthouse or the remand

00:29:23.120 center or both once you've had that bail hearing if you've been denied it can be months before you

00:29:29.280 get another one so while it may be tempting to take your bail hearing the next day it's better to get

00:29:34.080 a lawyer and then prepare for your bail hearing to ensure that you get out on the first try because

00:29:38.640 otherwise you could be stuck in there for 30 months until you get jordan ruled out and then once

00:29:43.840 you're jordan ruled out it's not like you can go back and sue the government for taking away two years

00:29:48.080 of your liberty and so it's just the criminal justice system we all know how broken it is but

00:29:54.160 i don't think people realize that it's even more broken than that before we move on i'll just give

00:30:00.960 a disclaimer on your behalf alex this is not legal advice yeah yeah like this is not official legal

00:30:06.720 advice or anything obviously the best piece of advice i could give you is to not commit any crimes in

00:30:11.520 the first place but people do you know mistakes happen right and people get picked up and you know

00:30:17.200 cases of mistaken identity you just happened to walk by somebody who's doing a dne and you know

00:30:22.320 whatever so yeah anyways moving on for our next story we'll move from bloated prisons to bloated

00:30:30.000 bureaucracy so yeah we'll lead what what what are we what are we talking about here with these federal

00:30:34.080 managers and their bloated salaries well i'm thinking about around 9 400 federal managers are making

00:30:41.360 over 150k a year on their annual salaries i think around 8 200 of them come from the

00:30:47.120 primary departments so perhaps a lot of them are in and around ottawa and in that growing bureaucracy

00:30:52.960 i also covered another report last month discussing the growth of bureaucracy overall i think 2016 to

00:30:58.880 today we've added around 99 000 additional bureaucrats in the ottawa area that's obviously significant

00:31:05.280 growth to the bureaucracy but also the cost while of course productivity is questionable in terms of

00:31:11.200 whether or not it's increased at all frankly i know we covered another story about how many streaming

00:31:16.320 hours uh coming out of the bureaucracy as well you know those those thousands of thousands and

00:31:21.040 thousands of hours of netflix and youtube and prime video and disney plus uh that was a very funny

00:31:26.960 article and report to look at because i was thinking to myself you know i mean what is the average

00:31:32.000 individual really doing you know because you're spreading that up among thousands of people because of

00:31:35.840 course the public service has never been bigger and that's of course what the hankinian taxpayers

00:31:40.640 federation and other taxpayer watchdogs are concerned about um we've seen massive growth in the cost of

00:31:47.600 government and that comes from not only what the government's spending money on but the government's

00:31:52.960 own payroll uh of the own staff the people that are responsible for executing public policies the

00:31:58.240 people responsible for monitoring data so that's that canada um the people are responsible for overseeing uh

00:32:05.200 you know regulation monitoring whether it be in the health sector or or elsewhere so i'm very close

00:32:10.960 to democracy i live in a part of ottawa well i mean ottawa overall is dominated by the public sector but

00:32:16.160 i live in part of ottawa that's very much dominated by the federal employees in terms of who lives in my

00:32:21.520 area so i obviously have full and you know respect for for the hard-working honest uh you know bureaucrats

00:32:28.000 believe it or not and i know that's not very popular among our leadership to say but i will tell

00:32:31.760 you that at the further that we've grown i think the more people are being frustrated because the

00:32:36.320 growth discrepancy is what really matters to people the discrepancy both in what what they're

00:32:40.480 being compensated with and their growth in terms of overall jobs comparing that to the private sector

00:32:45.440 where you've seen chronic job loss over the last couple months of course looking at youth today seeing

00:32:51.200 the worst unemployment since the 90s about three decades when you have these two things happening at the

00:32:57.840 same time uh then you have this shared frustration this kind of cultural war between the private

00:33:03.200 sector and the public sector or the unemployed and the you know well employed well paid well compensated

00:33:09.600 uh working for government that perhaps is not exactly doing its best in you know helping the unemployed

00:33:15.200 or helping the uh private sector companies sectors employees workers etc so uh ottawa has definitely taken

00:33:21.520 on a lot of the benefit of of this unfortunate you know unprecedented growth uh but of course beyond

00:33:28.720 the borders of ottawa east the west i think most canadians wouldn't see a dollar or an opportunity

00:33:35.760 come out of this big spending widely expanded bureaucracy so definitely a lot of frustration for taxpayers

00:33:43.040 yeah no back in my day waleed you had to be a doctor or a lawyer to make 150 000 a year but now any

00:33:48.880 federal bureaucrat and uh you know i've seen the reports myself too waleed it's just they're paying

00:33:54.080 these people more and more and more but they're just not doing the job we've seen the pbo reports

00:33:59.600 they're not even meeting their own goals so they keep getting paid more and more but their work isn't

00:34:04.640 following suit do you i i i'll i'll ask this actually uh mark carney has pledged to cut federal

00:34:13.280 bureaucracy spending do you think that he will and do you think that that's the answer to kind of get

00:34:18.640 our our federal spending under control or is it is it more so like an accountability issue because

00:34:23.520 these people aren't doing uh maybe the work that they should be for how much they're getting paid

00:34:28.160 well just on the last thing you mentioned productivity what they're actually doing i mean

00:34:32.880 one of the themes that are ringing in the head of a lot of people are are the work from home policy

00:34:37.680 of course both the unions representing the public employees and the public employees themselves have

00:34:41.360 been very let's say resilient in their protests against the government bringing them back to

00:34:45.760 to work in person for for a certain period of time so i think that being said um there's obviously

00:34:51.680 this this exterior uh point of view that many people have that they're simply not working as

00:34:57.600 hard as they can they're giving more comfortable uh conditions less monitoring mechanisms of course

00:35:02.960 working from home always comes with this uh you know asterisk of you know how productive are you

00:35:08.720 really if you're just wearing pajamas and working off a laptop on the bed you know so there's definitely that

00:35:13.760 um sentiment held but to get onto the facts here is i'm very curious what the next budget looks like

00:35:20.160 really i mean i i know that there's going to be definitely a deficit that's for sure experts are

00:35:24.800 saying deficits and pbo themselves are saying the deficit will be bigger than that of trudeau um the

00:35:30.080 liberal um house leader steve mckinnon has admitted it himself that it will be bigger than trudeau and

00:35:36.080 obviously there are many reasons why that is i think i'm most interested in seeing is you're looking at

00:35:41.520 would bureaucracy cuts help that perhaps it could but it's a hard sell because you're looking at a

00:35:47.520 liberal party that's dominating the national capital region right now which has a growing amount of

00:35:52.080 writings of course part of the reason why pia pauliev was sent packing to alberta was because you know you

00:35:57.920 took over riding carlton for a very long time that had a growing amount of both newcomers and uh federal

00:36:04.160 government employees of course newcomers can also be public government employees as well so perhaps there

00:36:08.960 might be an interesting demographic calculation one can make about exactly who caused that split you

00:36:15.360 know what demographics what populations but a lot of people pointed up the public sector to carlton

00:36:20.320 that sent peripoli out of the national capital region because of course you can't you can't have a

00:36:25.040 platform that speaks about austerity unapologetically and still be popular in ottawa given the obvious

00:36:31.600 conflict of interest there uh i would say frankly another concern for me on the budget itself is you know

00:36:38.800 the yeah there might be some austerity perhaps i haven't seen it yet today we will see in the

00:36:43.200 future i think there's some 15 efficiency targets they've put on a few departments rcp and elsewhere

00:36:49.200 um but of course there's a new spending announced as well big spending on the military plus a loss of

00:36:54.880 revenue from the dst being scrapped the digital services tax that trump pressured carney to remove and

00:37:00.720 got exactly what he was looking for uh the removal of counter tariffs that's also a loss of revenue not

00:37:06.560 big stream about you but definitely something that can be seen in the books marginally speaking

00:37:12.000 uh and it's not a rounding error i mean you know i think there was about 30 billion dollars worth of

00:37:17.120 goods that were being tariffed and of course continually speaking that's a loss of of revenue

00:37:23.200 but that was definitely something that the liberal uh platform had budgeted off so that's why where we were in

00:37:30.080 april where we are today in september are two completely outlooks given the changes of revenue

00:37:36.080 streams so i would definitely be very curious and watch very closely what will happen but uh i can i

00:37:42.320 can't expect major austerity simply because the political calculation doesn't support that of course

00:37:47.680 uh but again you're you're you're playing against a scenario where you have much higher spending

00:37:53.520 admittedly so big spending on the military which you know will continue to grow as as time goes on

00:38:00.000 and of course the revenue streams that have already been lost in the last six months since corny's

00:38:04.880 been prime minister so i wouldn't say that i expect any significant austerity and if i see something of

00:38:10.960 around that 50 margin on a few different departments in ottawa i can't see that having uh a significant

00:38:16.400 effect and you know giving carney more credibility on the budget because he is going to be running a

00:38:21.040 deficit and probably a deficit bigger than that of his predecessor while you know as big selling

00:38:26.080 problems as he can have credentials and perhaps bringing can in this budget back into a closer

00:38:31.520 to balance let's just say that yeah alex i'll ask you something for our last question today uh

00:38:37.280 we're obviously seeing everyone's saying how bad the budget is going to be you can see the numbers

00:38:41.680 they're not uh hidden per se but uh i i think that they said they're going to provide the budget on

00:38:47.600 uh november 4th so i'm just curious if you think that it could be so bad that it would lead to a

00:38:52.880 non-confidence vote or whether the liberals will actually just keep pushing it back and we'll never

00:38:58.320 we're not going to get a budget on november 4th as they said well i imagine that they'll release the

00:39:03.520 budget the results will be terrible but there will be no confidence vote um i don't know if there's a

00:39:09.360 huge appetite in the canadian public for another election just given how recently we had the last one

00:39:16.240 so i mean it's been a long time i mean christia freeland was the finance minister

00:39:25.680 feels like yesterday yeah yeah she's not even in cabinet anymore so um that should give you a

00:39:32.960 little bit of a preview it's probably not going to be great well i guess we'll have to wait and see

00:39:37.840 again my name is isaac glamour i'd like to thank my colleagues bleed tam tam and alex sultan

00:39:41.920 and remember everything you heard today was off the record

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