Juno News - O’Toole Cancels Sloan, Biden Cancels Keystone

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.700 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.780 Coming up, Derek Sloan speaks out after being ejected from the Conservative Caucus,

00:00:17.460 and Justin Trudeau doesn't really speak out after Joe Biden cancels the Keystone Pipeline project.

00:00:24.560 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.780 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:33.760 This is the Andrew Lawton Show on True North.

00:00:36.680 We talked on the previous show about defenestration in Canadian politics,

00:00:42.000 specifically in Canadian Conservative politics.

00:00:45.580 And as we, I think, feared, certainly from the emails that I got and my own thoughts on the matter,

00:00:50.920 the Derek Sloan defenestration has concluded.

00:00:54.280 Derek Sloan ejected from the Conservative Caucus after an hours-long meeting on Wednesday,

00:01:00.000 of the Conservative Caucus members in which he was turfed, doesn't know the numbers.

00:01:04.500 It was a secret ballot.

00:01:05.660 He has no idea if it was even close, if he got one vote to stay or if he got 50 votes to stay.

00:01:10.700 But suffice it to say, Derek Sloan is gone.

00:01:13.700 And I want to read a comment that was put out,

00:01:16.040 a statement from Conservative leader Aaron O'Toole after the caucus's vote.

00:01:20.120 I want all Canadians to feel welcome in the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:01:24.980 The focus of Canada's Conservatives is getting as many people back to work

00:01:29.100 in every part of Canada, in every sector, as quickly as possible.

00:01:33.240 The Conservative Caucus voted to remove Derek Sloan not because of one specific event,

00:01:38.780 but because of a pattern of destructive behaviour involving multiple incidents

00:01:43.160 and disrespect towards the Conservative team for over a year.

00:01:46.680 These actions have been a consistent distraction from our efforts to grow the party

00:01:50.980 and focus on the work we need to do.

00:01:53.480 Events of the past week were simply the last straw

00:01:56.400 and led to our caucus making the decision it did today.

00:01:59.940 I did not vote to remove Derek Sloan from our caucus because he is a social Conservative.

00:02:05.260 We have members of Parliament of deep compassion and unmatched character

00:02:08.840 who, like many Canadians, draw strength from their faith.

00:02:12.240 The Conservative Party is a big tent that is reflective of all Canadians,

00:02:16.160 people of all backgrounds, have a place in our party.

00:02:19.720 As politicians in Canada, we must hold ourselves to the highest standards.

00:02:23.560 Canadians deserve nothing less.

00:02:25.540 We are ready to do whatever it takes to get Canada working again.

00:02:28.960 In the next election, Canadians will ask themselves,

00:02:31.280 who do I trust to create jobs and get the economy back on track?

00:02:35.500 Our party is working hard to earn the trust of Canadians.

00:02:38.760 Canada's Conservatives got us out of the last recession,

00:02:41.160 and I know we can lead Canada out of this one too.

00:02:44.540 Let's get back to work.

00:02:47.340 So Erin O'Toole's official statement pivots this to being about jobs. 0.63

00:02:50.640 We've got to go and get Canadians back to work, 1.00

00:02:52.820 forgetting about the cohesion in the party that is now an issue that has been invited,

00:02:57.900 not by the left, but a problem invited by the Conservatives.

00:03:01.980 Now, right after the expulsion, I had the opportunity to catch up with Derek Sloan himself.

00:03:07.520 This interview was recorded yesterday, but it gives you an indication of how that meeting went down,

00:03:13.040 where he goes from here, and how he responds to that statement from Erin O'Toole that I just shared with you.

00:03:19.240 You're tuned in to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:03:24.480 Derek Sloan joins me on the line now.

00:03:27.040 Derek, thank you for coming on so quickly.

00:03:29.140 I'm glad to be here. Thank you.

00:03:30.760 This is something that for a lot of Conservatives who were told by Erin O'Toole during the leadership

00:03:37.060 that they had a place, regardless of whether they were social Conservatives or not.

00:03:41.700 How are they supposed to take what's happened in the last two days, and specifically today?

00:03:46.800 Well, this is bogus.

00:03:49.020 What has happened today with my expulsion from caucus is Erin O'Toole and the other caucus members

00:03:55.720 are saying, Derek, not only do we want you in the party, we don't want anyone like you in the party.

00:04:01.820 And, you know, they're going to come out with all their communications, and they're going to say this.

00:04:05.340 They're going to say, oh, it's not about Derek's beliefs.

00:04:07.840 That's fine. It's just about his personality.

00:04:10.380 But I'm telling you, Andrew, the sort of persona that I have publicly attracts a large portion of our base.

00:04:18.560 The issues I stand for, the persona that I have.

00:04:21.400 And if they think that this is just about me, they've got another thing coming.

00:04:24.780 This is a slap in the face to a large section of our base.

00:04:28.780 I want to read a statement that was just released moments ago by Erin O'Toole.

00:04:32.580 He says,

00:04:33.440 The Conservative caucus voted to remove Derek Sloan not because of one specific event,

00:04:38.660 but because of a pattern of destructive behavior involving multiple incidents and disrespect

00:04:43.780 towards the Conservative team for over a year.

00:04:47.280 What's he referring to?

00:04:49.020 Well, they're referring to basically everything that you've seen throughout the campaign.

00:04:53.280 So when I called out Dr. Tam for what I believe to be undue connection to the World Health Organization,

00:05:00.880 that was considered to be beyond the pale.

00:05:04.200 That was, oh, that's racist. That's this.

00:05:06.880 Basically, everything else I've done.

00:05:08.640 But I'll tell you, the last thing that really got under their skin is I have been actively organizing

00:05:13.580 for this upcoming convention, and they know that I have recruited many, many, many delegates,

00:05:19.960 and they were scared.

00:05:22.180 And so, you know, this whole thing about, you know, not listening to other people.

00:05:28.800 So when I was emailing and trying to get conventions to go to delegates, other MPs would be like,

00:05:33.520 oh, well, you know, why are you emailing into my riding and why are you doing this?

00:05:36.960 Nobody has a monopoly on their riding.

00:05:40.360 You as a Canadian, I as a Canadian, we have the right to encourage political participation.

00:05:44.560 And, you know, some of these MPs were upset that, you know, basically I had more sway in their riding

00:05:50.180 than they did, and they got rid of me because of that.

00:05:54.060 And obviously they don't agree with the different things that I stand for.

00:05:58.380 So, you know, he'll find a, you know, a politically correct version of a socially conservative person

00:06:04.080 or any of the other things maybe that I've stood for.

00:06:07.320 And I've stood for things far beyond a social conservatism.

00:06:11.100 But this is about the values that I stand for, you know, being against the Paris Agreement,

00:06:16.420 being against this net zero stuff, and my influence at the convention.

00:06:20.860 They were afraid that it was going to be a Derek Sloan convention, and they pulled the plug.

00:06:25.100 This is a direct affront to grassroots engagement.

00:06:28.520 Do you know how much support, if any, you had in caucus in today's vote?

00:06:33.700 I was not privy to the numbers, unfortunately.

00:06:36.720 It was, no, I don't believe anybody other than the caucus chair knows the final numbers.

00:06:41.380 Now, does that in and of itself disturb you, or is that just how the process is supposed to work?

00:06:47.580 You know, I know the caucus chair well, and he's an honorable person, Tom Kimmich.

00:06:52.220 So I certainly trust the results.

00:06:53.940 I would have preferred to get an idea of, you know, how close it was.

00:06:57.600 But unfortunately, I won't know that.

00:07:01.180 Do you think from private conversations you've had with MPs in the Conservative Caucus

00:07:05.980 that this was literally just about getting a SOCON out?

00:07:10.000 Or did you actually get support from non-social conservatives privately

00:07:13.860 that said they didn't like the process?

00:07:16.120 They didn't like that you were being blamed for someone who happened to donate

00:07:19.880 alongside 12,999 other people to your campaign?

00:07:24.900 Yeah, I mean, listen, there were a lot of people that were upset by this for sure.

00:07:28.900 The problem is, is that Aaron O'Toole sort of crossed the Rubicon when he made the public

00:07:33.540 statement that he was behind this.

00:07:35.820 So then the caucus literally had to say, well, listen, I don't really want to kick Derek out.

00:07:40.480 But if I don't, then we show weakness to the to the public.

00:07:44.440 So let's say they voted to keep me in.

00:07:47.020 Then the press cycle would have been Aaron O'Toole doesn't even have control over his own party.

00:07:51.240 They don't even like, you know, they don't trust his judgment.

00:07:53.760 So he he took the strongest step possible to eliminate me by doing a full frontal assault publicly.

00:08:00.720 And so I'm sure there's a lot of people that wouldn't have done this in in other circumstances

00:08:05.180 that felt kind of compelled.

00:08:06.920 Now, it's still a wrong decision, but they felt compelled because of his doubling down in that in that way.

00:08:12.600 Now, that statement I shared a couple of moments ago from Aaron O'Toole that says this is all part of a pattern,

00:08:18.480 you've said this is stuff that's already been made public, nothing unique apart from that.

00:08:23.020 Were you put on notice previously?

00:08:25.060 Had you been told that you were on thin ice and had to behave a certain way to stay in caucus?

00:08:30.120 Or has this ejection really been officially anyway?

00:08:33.780 I mean, you might have had inklings, but has this ejection really been an escalation from zero to 100?

00:08:38.700 Well, let me tell you, let me tell you as best as I can, sort of what has happened.

00:08:43.960 So there is there have been people who have been hostile to me, a minority of people ever since the leadership.

00:08:49.520 It's a combination of not liking my values, thinking I'm, you know, to sort of direct or outspoken on certain things.

00:08:57.600 So that is, you know, basically put me in their bad books just perennially.

00:09:01.880 After the leadership, I sent out two fundraising emails, one for my EDA, one for my riding, one for my leadership.

00:09:10.360 Now, I have every right to do that.

00:09:11.980 I've created a large list through the campaign, but obviously those emails go to other ridings and I was collecting money from people in other ridings.

00:09:21.380 Now, these are people that may not have donated to that other person anyways, but MPs are very cagey about their territory.

00:09:27.660 So they're like, well, you know, Derek, you shouldn't be doing this.

00:09:30.360 I said, listen, I have to fundraise to, you know, finalize some of my last leadership debts.

00:09:35.080 It's the law.

00:09:36.060 And this is my list.

00:09:37.140 And frankly, for my EDA, I had to raise some money, too, to be able to be, you know, acclaimed as a candidate.

00:09:42.140 So those are the those are two of the, quote unquote, you know, bad things that I've done.

00:09:47.000 And the third was sponsoring that petition, which, again, a lot of these conservatives are just scared to death of bad press.

00:09:55.400 So, you know, these kinds of things, there were some rumblings about, oh, you know, Derek's always getting us in the news.

00:10:00.120 It's always something, you know, whatever.

00:10:02.280 And then this sort of orchestrated attempt at the end, which, as I said, was related to my strength going into the convention, sort of pushed some people over the edge.

00:10:12.620 But nothing has happened along the way that would in any way be inappropriate.

00:10:19.180 I've just explained to you any charge that was leveled at me.

00:10:23.960 So let me ask you then where you go from here, because you sent out an email to your supporters in which you said, don't rip up your memberships, still be a part of the party, still go to the convention, the virtual convention up.

00:10:35.380 Why do you want this to happen?

00:10:36.940 Why are you not ripping up your membership at this point?

00:10:39.960 Well, listen, I'm still a conservative.

00:10:41.820 I may not be technically capital C conservative, according to, you know, the powers that be in Ottawa, but the conservative party has left me.

00:10:51.680 I did not leave the conservative party.

00:10:53.920 And our membership is a lot more like me than they are like Aaron O'Toole.

00:10:57.900 And frankly, I think the only reason he won is because, yeah, I was a new face.

00:11:01.440 Lesley Lewis was a new face.

00:11:02.760 And Aaron O'Toole was like, oh, I'm with you guys.

00:11:04.800 I stand up for Derek.

00:11:05.940 I stand up for Lesley.

00:11:07.080 And he juxtaposed himself against Peter McKay.

00:11:10.020 But, you know, we're at base purely on sort of the persona and the values, you know, experience aside.

00:11:18.440 I believe someone like Lesley and I very easily could have won if experience and so forth were equal.

00:11:23.480 So, listen, this is something that, you know, our base reflects is a lot more like me than they are like Aaron O'Toole.

00:11:31.360 And they're going to learn that quickly.

00:11:32.860 I will say this in the caucus call.

00:11:35.040 What many people were concerned about is they were saying, guys, I'm getting calls not just from like the local pro-life dude, but from some of my like most hardcore supporters, board members, donors, and they're livid.

00:11:48.880 So this is something that is really going to rip the party.

00:11:53.460 You know, it's going to damage the party for certain.

00:11:56.540 You and I spoke in the leadership race a couple of times about cancel culture and free speech.

00:12:02.460 And you're very aware of the cultural battles around this.

00:12:06.000 And one thing that I find really unsettling, even if people are used to just the left throwing around slurs and names and all of that, to have it come from within your own party and within your own movement.

00:12:16.880 And especially the justification that Aaron O'Toole used to initiate this process, which was that racism has no place in the party.

00:12:24.500 Didn't call you a racist, but was ejecting you in the same breath as he was saying that he needed to take a stand against racism.

00:12:31.100 Does that sting?

00:12:32.980 Does that sting for you?

00:12:34.100 Not really.

00:12:37.180 It just validates sort of the experience that I've had over the last nine months.

00:12:41.320 And it's just been basically this.

00:12:43.780 It's been amazing acceptance from grassroots conservatives and continual backbiting and trying to tie my hands behind my back within the MPs that are there.

00:12:55.260 So many of these guys think that they're little princes that rule their little riding fiefdom.

00:13:00.540 And they can come to Ottawa and do whatever it is that they want. 0.97

00:13:03.400 It's disgusting.

00:13:04.920 These people were put there by their local party members, by their local constituents. 0.91

00:13:10.280 And there's a complete disconnect.

00:13:12.400 So we will see who speaks for the membership leading into the convention and beyond.

00:13:17.800 But they've made a grave error.

00:13:19.560 Would you rejoin the caucus if invited, if the party had a mea culpa?

00:13:25.160 I don't expect that that would happen under the current leadership.

00:13:29.260 They're of a mind that they kind of have to show unity, show a face of strength and all that.

00:13:36.100 And they wouldn't be able to do that based on what they've done.

00:13:38.900 But I'm not making any decisions today about what I might or might not do.

00:13:42.780 Just before I let you go here, Derek, what do you want to tell your supporters?

00:13:46.740 I know a lot of people, even those who might not have been your supporter in the leadership race, have really come around or are tweeting about their support for you, wanting to go to the convention to stand up for some of the values.

00:13:57.680 What do you want to say to those people right now who, by your indication, seem to make up the party more than the voices in Ottawa do?

00:14:04.660 Stay involved. Keep your membership. Go to convention.

00:14:08.220 And we're going to do a lot of good there.

00:14:11.260 And this is just, you know, some rumblings.

00:14:15.940 But we are going to go to convention.

00:14:18.600 We're going to do well there.

00:14:19.660 When it comes to me personally, I'm going to stay fighting for all the values I've fought for before.

00:14:24.180 Family values, you know, against the Paris Agreement and this climate alarmism, the excessive government lockdowns, which our party has been completely silent on.

00:14:34.340 They haven't said a word about it.

00:14:35.680 All they can talk about is, oh, a vaccine this, vaccine that.

00:14:39.220 We need more vaccines.

00:14:40.160 Well, listen, there's a lot more going on here right now than just getting a vaccine.

00:14:44.600 There is a real conversation to be had about the government control and the true way to deal with this thing here.

00:14:52.020 So they have been missing in action.

00:14:54.860 And that's why they're not, they're barely even registering right now on the public radar.

00:14:58.460 And they'll learn soon enough the mistake they've made.

00:15:00.980 Independent member of Parliament, Derek Sloan.

00:15:03.380 Derek, thank you so much for joining me.

00:15:05.420 Thank you.

00:15:08.300 You're tuned in to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:15:12.780 Well, I appreciated Derek Sloan catching up.

00:15:15.580 I mean, it was quite literally moments after the expulsion.

00:15:18.480 He only did a couple of interviews yesterday, and I was grateful that one of them was with yours truly.

00:15:24.020 He is planning to still work within the Conservative Party as a member. 0.92

00:15:29.260 Now, a lot of people, I think, are going to say that's foolish. 0.94

00:15:32.140 I actually think he is trying to avoid just making it look like he has sour grapes.

00:15:36.280 If he says, listen, you can't get rid of me and you can't get rid of the people like me,

00:15:40.780 the Conservative Party is going to have to have a reckoning.

00:15:43.580 Because one of the catalysts of this is that he was actually whipping up votes and recruiting delegates

00:15:49.560 for the Conservative Party of Canada's virtual convention, which is coming up in March.

00:15:54.900 Derek Sloan was working, I know, with Tanya Granik-Allen, who's been on this show.

00:15:58.600 And they were actually getting social conservatives to vote, to be delegates at the convention

00:16:03.660 and actually vote on policy to really establish that, yes,

00:16:07.160 the social conservative machine is alive and well in the Conservative Party.

00:16:11.540 Secondly, it was social conservatives who delivered Aaron O'Toole the victory

00:16:16.040 because people who voted for Derek Sloan and Lesley Lewis, by and large,

00:16:20.160 gave their support down ballot to Aaron O'Toole over Peter McKay.

00:16:24.480 So Aaron O'Toole has tried to preempt this in a statement by saying,

00:16:28.020 oh, no, no, we didn't get rid of him because he's a social conservative.

00:16:30.940 We got rid of him because of all of these other issues which weren't articulated,

00:16:34.860 which Derek is saying are all just the things that have already been reported on.

00:16:37.780 Like, for example, you know, him taking aim at Theresa Tam in something that the media derided as racist

00:16:43.400 that was actually more about her record than anything else.

00:16:46.980 And I remember Candace and I talking about that on True North Update, and we actually tried.

00:16:52.340 We tried to figure out what about it was racist and couldn't because the statement was as plain as day

00:16:58.000 and it was filled with issues we were talking about, about how the WHO, with which Theresa Tam is involved,

00:17:05.220 was parroting Chinese government talking points.

00:17:07.800 Nothing to do with race, everything to do with action and record.

00:17:12.160 So the idea that there has just been this long string of things,

00:17:15.380 and Derek is saying that he wasn't put on notice, he wasn't on probation,

00:17:18.700 he wasn't told that there is this last straw, which is what the Conservatives are saying now.

00:17:23.320 Well, so for a lot of people who voted for him, not an insignificant sum of people in the party,

00:17:29.140 and people that voted for Leslyn Lewis, who was going after, in many regards, the same types of votes,

00:17:35.840 how are they supposed to feel that, despite the Conservatives' claim of a Big Ten party,

00:17:40.400 that they actually have a place in the Conservatives?

00:17:43.540 I think the short answer is that they won't.

00:17:45.780 They aren't going to feel that.

00:17:46.800 And this is tremendously disrespectful, not just to the democratic process,

00:17:52.540 but disrespectful to the members who are the ones that need to be there for a party to win.

00:17:58.560 You can't win without your base, no matter how much you try.

00:18:01.640 And if you piss the base off enough, they're just not going to vote for you.

00:18:05.180 That's how you have fracturing parties, that's how you have schisms,

00:18:08.220 that's how you have people just staying home on election day.

00:18:11.040 And True North actually canvassed every single Conservative member of Parliament to say,

00:18:17.260 how did you vote, and is there anything you'd like to say?

00:18:20.360 We actually canvassed every single one.

00:18:21.920 Now, I'm just going to count this up.

00:18:23.240 Now, this is as of around midday Thursday.

00:18:26.240 Out of 121 Conservative members of Parliament,

00:18:29.480 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 responded.

00:18:36.940 9 MPs out of 121 responded, and not one of them gave an answer.

00:18:45.740 Not one of those nine gave an answer.

00:18:47.600 One of them, Leona Alice-Lev, is saying,

00:18:49.520 MP Alice-Lev will not be commenting on this time.

00:18:52.180 Luke Berthold says, MP Berthold is not available to respond.

00:18:55.760 Colin Carey says, caucus meetings are confidential.

00:18:58.380 The leader will release a statement.

00:18:59.880 So deferring to the statement that we just read.

00:19:02.540 Ted Falk says, Ted will not be commenting on internal caucus meetings.

00:19:05.980 Tracy Gray says she heard from constituents

00:19:08.660 regarding one of her caucus colleagues

00:19:10.800 and wants to thank those who reached out.

00:19:12.900 She does not comment on internal deliberations

00:19:15.200 and decisions of these meetings.

00:19:17.760 The National Caucus Chair, Tom Kamich,

00:19:19.960 said that it was a process that was conducted

00:19:22.440 in a balanced, fair, and equitable manner

00:19:24.600 and that all provisions of the Parliament of Canada Act

00:19:27.400 were followed, and he didn't vote.

00:19:29.160 Ron Liepert gave quite a nice message.

00:19:31.760 He said, listen, the tradition is that he makes his views known

00:19:35.260 and then a vote is held and the results of the vote

00:19:38.020 are supported and accepted by all

00:19:40.020 and he's not commenting further, and so on and so forth.

00:19:43.640 People that are not at all commenting on this,

00:19:45.960 they're just saying, listen, caucus confidentiality,

00:19:48.380 which I get is a longstanding tradition,

00:19:50.840 but there is a way that you can comment

00:19:52.700 on your own approach to this

00:19:55.100 without violating what caucus discussed

00:19:59.260 by just saying what you think, what you voted for.

00:20:01.740 And that's not happening here.

00:20:05.240 So I don't know how many people voted

00:20:07.380 for Derek Sloan's expulsion

00:20:09.340 versus how many people let him,

00:20:11.680 or wanted him to stick around,

00:20:12.940 and we will never know that.

00:20:15.260 Derek Sloan says he has trust in the process,

00:20:17.660 which, I mean, good for him.

00:20:19.120 Again, some people may be a little bit more skeptical

00:20:21.860 than that, but if he has trust in it,

00:20:23.440 I think everyone else needs to accept that.

00:20:26.560 But the problem is, this was a situation

00:20:28.940 that was advanced by Aaron O'Toole.

00:20:31.300 This was not driven by caucus,

00:20:33.300 and that's, I think, what makes this situation

00:20:34.880 a bit different than other situations

00:20:37.260 that could be similar,

00:20:38.340 and that Aaron O'Toole said,

00:20:39.880 I'm initiating this process

00:20:42.080 of expelling him from caucus.

00:20:43.860 I'm denying him the right to run as a candidate,

00:20:46.260 which means if Derek Sloan

00:20:47.940 came out of that caucus meeting unscathed,

00:20:50.480 that would mean that Aaron O'Toole

00:20:52.300 does not command the confidence of his caucus.

00:20:55.140 So he actually put his members,

00:20:58.600 Aaron O'Toole put his members

00:20:59.660 between a rock and a hard place

00:21:01.320 because they actually had to

00:21:02.780 basically vote alongside the leader,

00:21:05.440 or the leader would have no legitimacy

00:21:07.860 within the caucus,

00:21:08.880 and therefore no legitimacy out in the country.

00:21:13.000 So the whole point of this is supposed

00:21:14.660 to be a caucus-driven decision,

00:21:16.960 this was not.

00:21:17.920 This was heaped onto the caucus

00:21:19.520 by Aaron O'Toole,

00:21:20.980 by the leader of the conservatives.

00:21:22.440 And this is a guy, again,

00:21:23.620 and I've had good interactions with Aaron O'Toole,

00:21:25.820 but this is a guy who crusaded

00:21:27.680 against cancel culture

00:21:29.040 during the leadership race,

00:21:31.140 and who actually resisted calls

00:21:33.480 to get rid of Derek Sloan

00:21:34.920 after there were these stories

00:21:36.660 about this controversial thing

00:21:38.060 or that controversial thing,

00:21:39.620 and it's now,

00:21:41.160 because he got a donation unknowingly

00:21:43.640 from a white supremacist,

00:21:44.980 this is what triggers it?

00:21:46.820 Just to put things into perspective here,

00:21:49.520 True North had a story this week

00:21:51.400 that the liberals have accepted donations

00:21:53.320 from Peter Nygaard.

00:21:54.720 This is the disgraced fashion mogul

00:21:56.680 from Winnipeg

00:21:57.460 who is facing trial right now,

00:22:00.400 well, he's facing a bail hearing,

00:22:01.920 for sex trafficking charges.

00:22:04.480 And the liberals received,

00:22:06.400 or to use the terminology of the day,

00:22:08.020 accepted donations from him

00:22:09.540 going way back 2004, 2005, 2006,

00:22:13.000 but even as recently as 2018,

00:22:16.200 $354,

00:22:18.040 knowing,

00:22:19.020 knowing about a lot of the accusations

00:22:21.920 and issues against Peter Nygaard

00:22:24.200 at that time.

00:22:25.060 So why aren't the liberals resigning?

00:22:26.680 Why isn't Justin Trudeau stepping down?

00:22:28.200 Because, well,

00:22:28.780 he accepted a donation

00:22:30.340 from a guy who's now been accused

00:22:32.000 of sex trafficking.

00:22:34.880 Or is it that we only apply

00:22:37.320 the worst traits of donors

00:22:40.040 to the politicians

00:22:41.320 to whom they've donated

00:22:42.220 with conservatives?

00:22:43.240 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:22:44.180 How could I have forgotten?

00:22:45.120 Yeah, of course.

00:22:45.660 These rules only tend to work

00:22:46.840 in one direction.

00:22:48.920 So to use this as the last straw,

00:22:51.820 as the conservatives have said,

00:22:53.360 is weak and is going to,

00:22:55.280 at some point, 0.99

00:22:56.120 really blow up in the faces 0.77

00:22:57.460 of other conservative MPs

00:22:58.880 or the conservative party itself

00:23:00.600 when people realize that,

00:23:01.980 oh, well,

00:23:02.240 this person donated to them.

00:23:03.560 Well, I guess,

00:23:04.140 I guess under the Derek Sloan rule,

00:23:06.040 we got to get them out of caucus too.

00:23:07.640 And it's actually quite disturbing

00:23:11.620 how much people are willing

00:23:13.720 to go along with this

00:23:14.880 just because they don't like

00:23:16.320 Derek Sloan's social conservatism.

00:23:18.700 And again,

00:23:19.440 I talked about this a little bit

00:23:20.560 on the show earlier in the week.

00:23:22.120 There were a great many people

00:23:23.420 that were very cheering,

00:23:25.400 very much cheering for this,

00:23:27.160 not because they thought

00:23:28.500 this was due process,

00:23:29.440 but just because they liked the outcome.

00:23:31.500 They didn't like Derek Sloan

00:23:32.620 and if this was a way

00:23:33.600 to get him out,

00:23:34.160 that was fine.

00:23:35.800 And the problem with that,

00:23:37.640 well, one of many problems with that

00:23:38.920 is that you're opening the door

00:23:40.020 to basically a very weak set of criteria

00:23:43.340 being used to justify one's expulsion

00:23:45.380 in the future

00:23:45.980 just because you happen to want

00:23:47.700 to get this guy out now

00:23:48.880 and this is the thing you can find

00:23:50.540 that you can cling to

00:23:51.440 to make it happen.

00:23:52.640 Our party is working hard

00:23:54.320 to earn the trust of Canadians.

00:23:56.220 Canada's conservatives

00:23:57.160 got us out of the last recession

00:23:58.740 and I know we can lead Canada

00:24:00.440 out of this one too.

00:24:01.400 The pivot to economics

00:24:03.840 in this statement

00:24:05.000 is, I think, hysterical actually

00:24:08.400 because conservatives I find

00:24:09.980 have always relied too much on

00:24:11.760 oh, well, you know,

00:24:12.700 as long as we put more money

00:24:13.660 in people's pockets,

00:24:14.420 we're going to win.

00:24:15.100 Well, that isn't working out.

00:24:16.300 We know that.

00:24:16.820 We know that isn't the case.

00:24:18.100 I've said in the past,

00:24:18.960 people are okay voting

00:24:19.820 for socialism sometimes.

00:24:21.340 So the idea that

00:24:22.820 they're just saying,

00:24:23.780 all right, Derek Sloan

00:24:24.600 out the window,

00:24:25.360 in front of the bus,

00:24:26.060 under the bus,

00:24:26.660 wherever you want him

00:24:27.360 and now we're going to

00:24:28.880 just put more money

00:24:29.600 in Canadians' pockets

00:24:30.440 and get back to work.

00:24:31.500 I'm like, well, you know,

00:24:32.460 you can't make us forget

00:24:34.080 that quickly.

00:24:35.520 Or maybe you can.

00:24:36.440 I certainly hope not.

00:24:37.640 We'll be back in a moment

00:24:38.480 with more of

00:24:39.160 The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:24:40.080 Stay tuned.

00:24:43.340 You're tuned in

00:24:44.460 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:24:50.820 We are back.

00:24:51.960 This is The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:24:53.300 A new era

00:24:54.220 of American politics.

00:24:55.700 Joe Biden,

00:24:56.560 now the president.

00:24:57.700 Donald Trump,

00:24:58.300 now the former president.

00:24:59.780 I don't want to dwell

00:25:01.120 too much on this

00:25:01.920 because generally speaking,

00:25:02.980 I know the mainstream media

00:25:03.880 has been doing its best job

00:25:05.520 to not talk about anything else

00:25:07.280 over the last few days.

00:25:08.860 But I will talk about

00:25:09.800 the one disappointment

00:25:10.580 that came yesterday,

00:25:11.700 which was Joe Exotic

00:25:13.500 not getting his pardon.

00:25:15.700 His lawyer was standing by.

00:25:17.820 They had a limo

00:25:18.740 outside the law office

00:25:20.220 ready to go

00:25:20.900 and pick Joe Exotic

00:25:21.760 up from jail.

00:25:22.960 This is the Tiger King,

00:25:24.140 of course,

00:25:24.700 when his pardon came through.

00:25:26.280 But alas,

00:25:27.060 there was no pardon

00:25:27.960 for Joe Exotic.

00:25:29.300 Kwame Kilpatrick, 0.95

00:25:30.220 the corrupt former mayor 0.81

00:25:31.080 of Detroit,

00:25:31.560 he got a pardon,

00:25:32.600 but not Joe Exotic

00:25:34.540 of the Tiger King.

00:25:35.980 But nevertheless,

00:25:37.100 the lawyer was holding out hope.

00:25:38.840 Take a look at this video.

00:25:39.980 Well, good morning,

00:25:40.720 Hawkeye and Michelle.

00:25:41.920 Eric Love,

00:25:42.560 leader of Team Tiger

00:25:43.420 over here in Fort Worth, Texas.

00:25:45.160 We are standing by,

00:25:46.740 waiting for President Trump

00:25:48.000 to give us word

00:25:48.840 that we have received

00:25:50.400 the pardon

00:25:50.920 for the Tiger King,

00:25:52.340 Joe Exotic.

00:25:52.900 We have the biggest

00:25:55.240 Dodge truck limo in Texas

00:25:57.140 from Heaven on Wheels

00:25:58.620 in Dallas, Texas

00:25:59.960 on standby

00:26:01.400 outside the law office.

00:26:03.200 Thank you so much

00:26:04.260 for the message, Michelle.

00:26:05.800 And I'll tell you,

00:26:06.780 thank you for the support.

00:26:09.300 God bless you guys.

00:26:10.480 KSCS, number one.

00:26:13.080 So I actually saw on Twitter,

00:26:15.960 I guess it was Wednesday morning,

00:26:18.000 the photo of the limo

00:26:19.340 outside the law office.

00:26:20.560 And I'm like,

00:26:20.900 you know what?

00:26:21.340 It's been a crappy year.

00:26:22.840 We could all use

00:26:23.660 a little bit of smiling.

00:26:25.260 Joe Exotic,

00:26:26.180 I think would be

00:26:26.820 a very good thing

00:26:27.960 to have on us right now.

00:26:29.720 We could do a Tiger King sequel

00:26:30.960 if Joe Exotic got his pardon.

00:26:32.380 But again,

00:26:33.120 no hope for that one.

00:26:35.020 We didn't get that.

00:26:35.980 But what we did get

00:26:36.680 was Keystone XL being scrapped.

00:26:38.680 One of the very first things

00:26:40.120 that President Joe Biden did

00:26:41.820 upon taking office

00:26:43.180 is destroying

00:26:44.140 this massive project

00:26:45.920 that would be good for Canada

00:26:47.000 and good for the US

00:26:47.980 and ripping it up 0.82

00:26:49.300 even though the pipeline

00:26:50.520 is literally already

00:26:52.300 in the ground.

00:26:53.540 The cross-border section

00:26:54.740 of this is already there,

00:26:56.000 but Joe Biden is saying,

00:26:57.600 nope, we don't want it.

00:26:59.220 And what did our Canadian

00:27:00.160 Prime Minister,

00:27:00.880 Justin Trudeau,

00:27:01.540 do about it?

00:27:02.540 Absolutely nothing.

00:27:05.580 Canada had the great honor

00:27:06.800 of being the first country

00:27:08.040 whose head of government

00:27:08.860 was on the call list

00:27:09.920 from Joe Biden.

00:27:11.480 So Joe Biden

00:27:12.120 and Justin Trudeau

00:27:12.880 were actually

00:27:13.360 the first conversation,

00:27:15.180 the first world leader conversation

00:27:17.260 that Joe Biden made

00:27:18.280 when he took office

00:27:19.620 as President of the United States.

00:27:21.280 And of course,

00:27:21.960 they were talking about Keystone,

00:27:23.480 but take a look

00:27:24.340 at what Justin Trudeau

00:27:25.380 said about it.

00:27:26.960 Earlier today,

00:27:27.780 Joe Biden was sworn in

00:27:29.200 as the 46th President

00:27:30.520 of the United States of America.

00:27:32.280 While we welcome

00:27:33.040 the President's commitment

00:27:34.140 to fight climate change,

00:27:35.640 we are disappointed,

00:27:36.860 but acknowledge

00:27:37.620 the President's decision

00:27:38.800 to fulfill his election campaign promise

00:27:40.980 on Keystone XL.

00:27:43.280 And here then,

00:27:44.260 he's talking about how,

00:27:45.700 oh, but we'd really,

00:27:46.960 really love the U.S.

00:27:47.800 back in the Paris Agreement

00:27:49.240 and back in the WHO

00:27:50.300 and a moratorium

00:27:51.720 on oil and gas activities

00:27:53.320 from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

00:27:56.020 and we want to reverse

00:27:56.760 the travel ban.

00:27:57.840 So Justin Trudeau

00:27:58.600 is actually so giddy

00:27:59.820 about Joe Biden

00:28:01.060 being the President

00:28:01.840 that he actually

00:28:02.660 is not doing any advocacy

00:28:04.560 for Canada's oil and gas sector,

00:28:07.100 which is a sector

00:28:08.020 that the U.S.

00:28:09.640 having oil from

00:28:10.780 would actually help

00:28:12.240 human rights,

00:28:13.360 which Justin Trudeau

00:28:14.120 says he cares about

00:28:14.920 by not having to buy oil

00:28:16.140 from countries

00:28:17.220 in the Middle East

00:28:18.100 that are dictatorships,

00:28:19.160 that, you know,

00:28:19.840 don't have legalized homosexuality,

00:28:22.020 that don't allow women to vote, 1.00

00:28:23.780 you know,

00:28:24.040 all of these other sorts of things,

00:28:25.340 which, yeah, you know,

00:28:26.400 for a country

00:28:27.100 that wanted to put

00:28:27.860 gender equality

00:28:28.720 into the new NAFTA,

00:28:30.300 you'd think they would care about.

00:28:32.660 So Justin Trudeau says,

00:28:34.100 well, well, you know what?

00:28:34.880 We like that he talks

00:28:35.700 about climate change.

00:28:36.620 Yeah, we're disappointed,

00:28:37.560 but, oh, whatever.

00:28:38.440 Come here, Big Joe.

00:28:39.240 We got you covered.

00:28:40.400 And this is, I think,

00:28:41.440 tremendously disappointing

00:28:42.680 for several reasons,

00:28:45.360 but yet totally unsurprising

00:28:47.780 at the same time.

00:28:49.260 And we're going to have

00:28:49.980 a lot of this.

00:28:50.960 I mean, we went from

00:28:51.920 Chrystia Freeland

00:28:52.700 speaking on

00:28:53.460 taking on the tyrant panels

00:28:54.960 to take aim

00:28:56.180 at Donald Trump

00:28:56.860 to now the starstruck mentality

00:28:59.360 that I think a lot of Canadians

00:29:00.500 had with Barack Obama

00:29:01.680 where they're just so happy

00:29:03.260 that Joe Biden's there.

00:29:04.360 I don't think they're going

00:29:05.040 to put any pressure

00:29:05.920 on for absolutely anything

00:29:08.380 when it comes to demanding

00:29:10.080 Canada's interest.

00:29:11.180 Now, it's not to say

00:29:12.100 that Canada was in a position

00:29:13.300 to get something out of it.

00:29:15.440 It's that Canada

00:29:16.320 didn't even try.

00:29:17.960 It's that Canada,

00:29:18.760 by the sounds of it

00:29:19.580 and by Trudeau's own admission,

00:29:21.020 didn't say,

00:29:21.760 okay, well,

00:29:22.380 you're getting rid of Keystone,

00:29:24.120 so what can you give us?

00:29:25.620 We can make things difficult

00:29:26.540 for you by X, Y, Z.

00:29:28.220 Just look at the rhetoric

00:29:29.400 of the Trudeau government

00:29:30.760 when Trump was putting

00:29:32.560 in steel tariffs,

00:29:33.440 when Donald Trump's administration

00:29:34.800 was putting in steel tariffs.

00:29:36.300 It was like there was

00:29:37.100 nuclear war declared on Canada.

00:29:39.400 The disappointment,

00:29:40.540 it was days and days of coverage

00:29:42.160 and now it's like,

00:29:43.580 well, yeah,

00:29:44.140 it's about climate change,

00:29:45.200 so, you know, whatever.

00:29:47.040 And this is what we have

00:29:48.080 representing us.

00:29:49.440 Canada's back, remember.

00:29:51.040 Good gracious.

00:29:52.000 We've got to wrap things up.

00:29:53.160 My thanks to all of you

00:29:54.040 for tuning in to today's show.

00:29:55.700 We'll be back in just a few days

00:29:57.060 with more of Canada's

00:29:58.220 most irreverent talk show.

00:29:59.760 Thank you, God bless,

00:30:00.660 and good day.

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Juno News - January 21, 2021

O’Toole Cancels Sloan, Biden Cancels Keystone

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