Juno News - O’Toole caves on vaccine mandates for MPs

00:00:00.360 Every major political party in Canada is the exact same.

00:00:04.400 Vaccine mandates are the latest policy that they all agree on.

00:00:07.400 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

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00:00:24.840 Today I want to talk about the uninspiring sameness of Canada's political parties,

00:00:29.560 the uninspiring sameness.

00:00:30.860 I had a column over in the Toronto Sun over the weekend with the same title,

00:00:34.420 put it up on True North, and I want to go through my argument on that.

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00:01:59.220 Okay, so back to our topic today.

00:02:02.000 The political parties are all the same.

00:02:03.780 There's sometimes little differences here and there,

00:02:06.340 and those differences we see are quickly dissolving.

00:02:09.740 The parties are converging.

00:02:11.140 They basically have the same opinion on every single important issue.

00:02:14.720 So this was something that really stood out to me during the federal election.

00:02:17.980 I thought that the most striking feature of the recent federal election

00:02:21.260 was just the pure amount of overlap between the political parties

00:02:24.780 when it came to all of the details in their platforms,

00:02:27.780 but also their overall governing philosophies.

00:02:30.660 We're at the point where we have the liberals, the conservatives,

00:02:34.400 the new Democrats who aren't that new anymore.

00:02:36.180 They're kind of just like U.S. Democrats

00:02:38.000 who are very similar to the liberals here in Canada.

00:02:41.260 The Bloc Quebecois who at least have their own sort of mandate,

00:02:44.840 but when it comes to policies,

00:02:45.980 they agree with everyone else and the Greens,

00:02:49.160 they all have the same opinion on virtually every political issue

00:02:52.000 that matters in Canada.

00:02:53.580 We're at a point where every party thinks

00:02:55.400 that there is a climate catastrophe,

00:02:58.080 that there is a climate crisis,

00:02:59.620 that they're so steeped in climate alarmism.

00:03:02.300 The whole idea of a Green Party seems redundant.

00:03:05.020 The Liberal Party is the Green Party.

00:03:06.780 The NDP Party is the Green Party.

00:03:08.620 And at this point, the Conservative Party is the Green Party,

00:03:11.420 and the Bloc Party is the Green Party.

00:03:12.540 So we saw a huge dip in support for the Green Party,

00:03:16.160 partially because their party is in such turmoil.

00:03:19.000 Their leader was so uninspiring and new to politics,

00:03:22.100 but also just because they're all Green Parties now.

00:03:24.980 So we don't really need this single-issue niche party anymore.

00:03:28.680 The Green Party has succeeded in many ways.

00:03:30.480 Their job is done.

00:03:31.580 Everybody has bought in to this alarmist, over-the-top,

00:03:35.400 the world is ending, the sky is falling, chicken little worldview

00:03:38.340 when it comes to climate,

00:03:39.620 that we don't even need the Green Party anymore

00:03:41.800 because they're all Green Parties.

00:03:43.200 So in some ways, that is a win for Elizabeth May 0.81

00:03:46.520 and the people who really built up that Green Party.

00:03:49.340 And when you take a step back

00:03:50.180 and you look at the broader policies in this country

00:03:52.740 on health care, on fiscal federalism,

00:03:54.860 on the idea of official bilingualism,

00:03:57.000 on the basic governing concept of having high taxes,

00:04:00.860 big budgets, budget deficits,

00:04:02.800 a large civil service, the size of the public service,

00:04:05.160 they all agree on it.

00:04:05.980 They also all agree on the ideas behind government child care,

00:04:09.720 affordable housing, reconciliation,

00:04:11.840 truth and reconciliation with First Nations Canadians.

00:04:14.180 Again, the environment.

00:04:15.380 When it comes to immigration,

00:04:16.700 when it comes to foreign policy,

00:04:18.220 gun control, abortion, speech censorship,

00:04:21.200 COVID-19 restrictions, COVID-19 lockdowns,

00:04:23.900 COVID-19 vaccines,

00:04:25.340 and some variation of the idea of universal basic income,

00:04:28.920 which we saw throughout the pandemic.

00:04:30.380 When it comes to all of these policies and more,

00:04:32.460 they all agree.

00:04:33.340 Every single party agrees.

00:04:34.920 They all have the same ideas.

00:04:37.240 So sure, each party has a slightly different way of framing the issues.

00:04:41.620 They tinker with the various rates and rebates.

00:04:43.940 They use slightly different language here and there.

00:04:46.400 But overall, it would be nearly impossible

00:04:48.760 for the average Canadian voter

00:04:50.420 to name the party behind the various big ticket items

00:04:54.140 that we saw in the platforms in the last elections.

00:04:56.800 Let's just go through this.

00:04:57.960 We'll do a little pop quiz here on the Candace Malcolm Show.

00:05:00.380 And you can guess which party was behind various policies

00:05:04.240 that were sort of the big ticket policies for each party.

00:05:07.280 So the first one up.

00:05:08.980 Which party proposed doubling the Canada workers' benefit

00:05:12.380 to give low-wage workers a rebate on their federal income tax?

00:05:16.140 Which party believes that Canadians earning 0.89

00:05:19.200 in the lowest income brackets

00:05:20.380 shouldn't pay federal taxes on that,

00:05:22.160 shouldn't pay income taxes,

00:05:23.040 and should get a rebate on tax time?

00:05:24.880 Who knows?

00:05:25.340 I mean, it could be a policy from any of the parties.

00:05:28.340 That one specifically came from the Conservatives, though.

00:05:31.200 So keep track if you got that one right.

00:05:34.760 Question number two.

00:05:35.940 Which party proposed a tax-free savings account

00:05:38.860 for first-time homeowners under the age of 40?

00:05:41.840 So first-time homeowners under the age of 40,

00:05:44.140 you want to save up for down payment.

00:05:46.100 This party proposed creating a special new tax-free savings account

00:05:49.600 so you could put money in there tax-free.

00:05:52.420 Which party was it?

00:05:53.460 And believe it or not, was the Liberals.

00:05:55.600 I know it sounds a bit like a Conservative policy.

00:05:57.780 That's the kind of policy that Stephen Harper used to come up with.

00:06:00.380 Remember, he was the one that came up with the tax-free savings account.

00:06:03.420 Well, the Liberals sort of took a page from the Conservative book

00:06:05.760 in that regard and created this nifty little tax loophole

00:06:08.880 for young first-time homebuyers.

00:06:11.320 Again, that could have been a policy from the Conservatives,

00:06:13.880 could have been a policy from any of the parties, frankly.

00:06:16.800 Finally, question number three.

00:06:17.820 Which of the parties proposed a two-year ban on foreign home ownership,

00:06:23.740 foreign ownership of homes in Canada?

00:06:26.740 Okay, to be fair, that's a bit of a trick question

00:06:28.620 because they basically all agree on that one.

00:06:30.840 Yes, that's right.

00:06:31.640 The Liberals, Conservatives, and the NDP all had some variation

00:06:34.520 of a ban on home ownership for foreign owners.

00:06:38.560 So trick question.

00:06:39.400 Again, they all agree on virtually everything.

00:06:41.840 So let me know what your score was out of three there.

00:06:44.700 But I imagine that, you know, the people who are watching this show,

00:06:48.000 first of all, are pretty tuned in.

00:06:49.340 So you're the political junkies out there.

00:06:51.460 You might score better.

00:06:52.540 My guess is the average Canadian voter probably got a zero out of three,

00:06:57.360 maybe one out of three on that little quiz I came up with.

00:07:00.180 And another example right here.

00:07:01.660 One of the biggest ticket items from the Conservative campaign

00:07:04.780 during the election was this idea that mothers who had just given birth,

00:07:08.820 just had babies and were off work on maternity leave,

00:07:12.080 which new mothers collect EI in Canada.

00:07:14.040 So this idea that women who begin working part-time

00:07:17.960 would still be able to collect the EI maternity leave while working part-time. 0.99

00:07:22.840 And so this was sort of billed as this really great pro-family policy

00:07:26.920 by the Conservatives.

00:07:28.020 And a lot of people on social media were saying that it was a great idea.

00:07:30.860 But here's the kicker.

00:07:32.140 The Liberal government apparently already allows this.

00:07:35.100 And so we saw an expert in employment law come out on social media

00:07:39.740 and really demonstrate the point that this great new Conservative policy idea

00:07:44.480 was actually already a policy in Canada under the Liberal government.

00:07:48.440 So it is this uninspiring sameness of the major parties

00:07:53.540 that led us to this status quo election outcome.

00:07:56.720 The outcome of the election was remarkably similar to the result in 2019.

00:08:01.620 So here we had an election two years later.

00:08:04.340 If you follow the campaign closely, like we did here at the Candace Malcolm show,

00:08:07.760 you know that there was a lot of twists and turns.

00:08:09.840 The Trudeau campaign made so many unforced errors on this campaign.

00:08:13.920 Trudeau started very high in the polls.

00:08:16.040 The whole idea of launching this election and triggering it

00:08:18.620 was that Trudeau wanted a majority government.

00:08:20.340 He thought that his handling of the pandemic was going to easily deliver him that.

00:08:24.340 What we saw was that the Canadians, according to polls, if you believe the polls,

00:08:29.420 but what we saw from the polls was that Trudeau was really popular at the beginning.

00:08:33.580 And then as the campaign went on, his support plummeted

00:08:37.080 and it looked like Aaron O'Toole was going to win the election.

00:08:39.900 And then Aaron O'Toole kind of faltered in the final two weeks.

00:08:42.400 I posit that is because he just wouldn't hold his ground.

00:08:45.480 He didn't hold his ground.

00:08:46.300 He flip-flopped on every issue and Canadians saw that as weakness.

00:08:49.260 But at the end of the day, the outcome of the 2021 election

00:08:52.660 was remarkably similar to the 2019 election.

00:08:56.660 And that clearly was because Canadians are just indifferent to the various pitches.

00:09:02.040 And thus, at the end of the day, they just retreated to their old habits.

00:09:05.920 They cast their ballot in the exact same way as they did in the previous election.

00:09:10.180 They're tuned out.

00:09:11.540 They're uninspired.

00:09:12.660 And this is because everything is the same.

00:09:15.380 The political parties have the same views.

00:09:17.380 Now, let me just make one small note here

00:09:19.560 because I know a lot of people in the comment sections

00:09:21.440 are probably making this point already.

00:09:23.540 There is, of course, one exception, one major exception to this rule

00:09:27.020 where every single party has the same view.

00:09:29.180 And that, of course, came by way of Maxime Bernier

00:09:31.800 and the People's Party of Canada.

00:09:33.660 They, to give them credit, ran on a very different set of ideas.

00:09:37.480 So here we had this political system with five mainstream parties,

00:09:41.420 the five parties that are always there,

00:09:42.860 that always get invited to the debates,

00:09:44.580 that are always sort of featured on the legacy media,

00:09:46.700 the liberals, the conservatives, the democrats, the bloc, and the greens.

00:09:51.160 And then now we have this new party, the People's Party,

00:09:53.160 who comes from more of the political right,

00:09:55.320 although they do attract voters from across the spectrum,

00:09:58.480 the sort of protest voters.

00:10:00.020 They created a very different set of issues that they campaigned on.

00:10:03.660 Bernier's ideas were outside the box.

00:10:05.600 And because of this, the media,

00:10:07.540 who also suffer from the exact same toxic groupthink

00:10:11.160 and rigid, boring sameness as the political parties,

00:10:14.380 well, they didn't know what to make of Maxime Bernier.

00:10:16.620 They didn't know what to make of his large followers.

00:10:19.040 And so they demonized Bernier.

00:10:20.840 They slandered Bernier.

00:10:22.120 They called him and his supporters every name in the book.

00:10:25.700 Regardless of all that,

00:10:27.160 because Bernier and the People's Party were different,

00:10:29.620 they managed to nearly triple their vote count in this election.

00:10:33.060 So Bernier and the People's Party did get rewarded

00:10:35.760 in terms of the number of vote casts,

00:10:37.400 but because of our first pass-to-post system,

00:10:39.540 they didn't make any real gains in terms of winning any seats.

00:10:42.920 So I will note that that was the one exception.

00:10:45.740 Thank goodness for Maxime Bernier saying something different.

00:10:48.300 At least it makes it a little more interesting for us

00:10:50.680 tuning in and watching.

00:10:52.340 But, you know, this is sort of the sad point.

00:10:54.560 This is the point of my show today,

00:10:56.360 the point of my article over in the Toronto Sun,

00:10:59.320 is that it was the Conservative Party,

00:11:01.000 the Conservative Party of Canada,

00:11:02.140 that once offered the occasional spark of originality.

00:11:06.080 They were the ones who would occasionally push back

00:11:08.100 against the painful dullness of Canada's political party system.

00:11:12.780 They sometimes resisted the media-induced conformity,

00:11:16.460 and they would say no to the left's latest insistence

00:11:19.340 that we all have the exact same opinion on every single issue.

00:11:22.640 And that is the crux of this whole thing.

00:11:24.340 The left wants absolute ideological conformity.

00:11:27.520 They want everyone to agree on every single thing.

00:11:30.040 And the Conservatives used to say,

00:11:31.540 no, we're okay with having a different view.

00:11:34.180 We don't agree with you on this.

00:11:35.680 But it seems like these Conservatives today,

00:11:37.760 the Conservative Party of Canada today,

00:11:39.460 doesn't do that anymore.

00:11:41.400 They no longer resist the left's conformity push.

00:11:45.420 And now they're just more than happy to conform

00:11:47.660 with the left's ideology on almost everything.

00:11:50.280 So the Conservatives used to push back,

00:11:52.780 even though it was ever so slightly.

00:11:54.140 Oftentimes they would just go along.

00:11:55.840 But sometimes, sometimes we would see them push back.

00:11:59.000 They'd say no to the latest leftist fad,

00:12:01.060 whether that be the fanatical climate alarmism,

00:12:04.200 whether it be the open borders immigration ideas,

00:12:07.800 or recently the idea that Canada has committed

00:12:10.920 the worst forms of crimes against humanity,

00:12:14.300 including genocide.

00:12:15.160 Conservatives would stand up and say,

00:12:16.540 let's bring some common sense to this scenario.

00:12:19.340 And no, we don't agree with these statements,

00:12:22.260 but it appears that those days are behind us.

00:12:24.900 Under Erin O'Toole,

00:12:25.720 the party seems committed to whitewashing itself

00:12:28.740 and becoming a true Big L Liberal Party.

00:12:32.380 Big L Liberal Party.

00:12:33.900 And last week was the latest example of this.

00:12:36.080 So I'm told that there was a very heated meeting,

00:12:38.720 caucus meeting,

00:12:39.280 on the topic of vaccine mandates.

00:12:41.780 The caucus meetings are when

00:12:42.980 all of the elected Conservative MPs get together.

00:12:45.740 They have a meeting.

00:12:46.860 And I'm told that the meeting

00:12:48.560 basically consisted of Erin O'Toole

00:12:50.560 and some of his sort of close allies in the party

00:12:53.200 presenting on this idea that the Conservatives

00:12:55.700 should just go along and get along on vaccine mandates.

00:12:58.580 They should force their MPs to get double vaccinated.

00:13:01.860 And they should just kind of align

00:13:03.120 with what the Liberals believe on that.

00:13:05.080 I'm told there was a lot of pushback,

00:13:06.860 that the MPs in caucus vehemently opposed this idea.

00:13:12.420 And they let it be known to Erin O'Toole

00:13:14.880 that he was not going to be allowed

00:13:17.480 to have this vaccine mandate for caucus.

00:13:20.700 And so as a result of that,

00:13:22.320 we had Blake Richards,

00:13:23.480 who is the Conservative Party whip,

00:13:25.280 come out following the meeting

00:13:26.720 and basically just state that,

00:13:28.500 say that the Conservative Party

00:13:30.240 is not in favor of this idea

00:13:31.940 of forced vaccinations for all MPs.

00:13:34.720 Obviously, there's broader repercussions for this.

00:13:36.840 It's not just about MPs,

00:13:38.040 but once they allow it in Parliament,

00:13:39.620 once they force all the MPs to get vaccinated,

00:13:41.500 it's only a matter of time

00:13:42.640 before every aspect of our society

00:13:44.300 will have this kind of double-vax rule.

00:13:47.240 So the Conservatives were the only holdout,

00:13:49.080 even though it sort of is a distinction

00:13:50.900 without a difference.

00:13:52.120 But here is Blake Richards on CTV

00:13:54.680 explaining the Conservative position.

00:13:56.640 And you can see,

00:13:57.320 I'll play a bit longer of the clip,

00:13:58.760 but you can see how the host

00:14:00.620 is sort of outraged about this idea

00:14:02.780 that the Conservatives are not forcing their MPs

00:14:06.200 to get vaccinated,

00:14:07.040 and they refuse to reveal the vaccine status

00:14:09.280 of members of Parliament

00:14:10.840 in the Conservative caucus.

00:14:12.140 So here's that clip.

00:14:12.840 Well, we've said all along

00:14:14.480 that we believe workplace safety,

00:14:16.120 including in Parliament,

00:14:17.060 can be assured by either vaccination

00:14:19.640 or producing a negative rapid test.

00:14:23.200 So we think that all members of Parliament

00:14:24.780 can safely perform their duties

00:14:26.840 in the House of Commons

00:14:27.620 and in our committee rooms

00:14:28.880 with either a vaccination or a rapid test.

00:14:32.520 I think it's critically important

00:14:33.640 that all members of Parliament

00:14:34.660 are able to participate in person

00:14:37.060 in those sessions

00:14:39.200 and bring forward

00:14:40.600 the really important issues

00:14:41.540 that we need to be dealing with

00:14:42.720 on behalf of our constituents.

00:14:45.720 But, okay,

00:14:47.400 every single person

00:14:48.800 that works in the House of Commons,

00:14:49.920 all the staff,

00:14:50.660 they have to be double vaccinated

00:14:51.760 to get on a plane,

00:14:52.660 you have to be double vaccinated

00:14:53.720 to get on a bus,

00:14:54.460 to train,

00:14:54.820 you've got to be double vaccinated.

00:14:56.960 Can you tell us

00:14:58.600 how many of the Conservative MPs

00:15:00.600 exactly are double vaccinated

00:15:03.360 and how many

00:15:04.140 this is going to be a problem for?

00:15:06.640 Well, I think it's really up

00:15:07.800 to each individual Canadian,

00:15:09.080 including members of Parliament,

00:15:10.100 to decide for themselves

00:15:11.120 whether they want to disclose

00:15:12.240 their personal health information.

00:15:14.740 But, you know,

00:15:15.520 there are other legislatures,

00:15:17.380 for example, in Canada.

00:15:18.820 Ontario is doing this,

00:15:20.200 Saskatchewan is doing this,

00:15:21.260 there may be others as well,

00:15:22.700 where, you know,

00:15:23.640 in order to participate

00:15:24.500 in the chamber,

00:15:25.960 in the legislative chamber,

00:15:27.400 you know,

00:15:27.600 either showing a vaccination status

00:15:29.680 or a negative rapid test.

00:15:32.280 So we believe that

00:15:33.340 it's worked in other jurisdictions.

00:15:35.940 Why can't it be done

00:15:37.320 for our Parliament?

00:15:38.600 I mean, this,

00:15:39.020 what we're talking about here

00:15:40.080 is the,

00:15:41.080 it's the House of Commons.

00:15:42.240 It's the very seat of democracy.

00:15:43.860 People,

00:15:44.520 thousands of Canadians

00:15:45.300 have elected each

00:15:46.300 of these members of Parliament

00:15:47.660 to serve them,

00:15:48.480 to represent them

00:15:49.340 in the House of Commons.

00:15:50.200 And we need,

00:15:51.640 we believe that it needs to be

00:15:53.000 something that all members

00:15:54.720 can do safely

00:15:56.060 in person in the House of Commons

00:15:58.040 and that through rapid testing

00:15:59.800 more vaccination.

00:16:00.300 You could do it.

00:16:01.220 Now, it's just interesting

00:16:02.460 to walk away from this

00:16:03.460 to see that Aaron O'Toole,

00:16:05.100 I'm told,

00:16:05.640 is the one that wants

00:16:06.680 vaccine mandates.

00:16:07.560 He wants the,

00:16:08.180 he has the same view

00:16:08.980 as Justin Trudeau on this,

00:16:10.140 but it is his caucus,

00:16:11.260 the conservative caucus

00:16:12.240 who hold out.

00:16:13.300 So they have a different view

00:16:14.500 on this

00:16:14.960 and I assume a different view

00:16:16.460 on most issues

00:16:17.360 than Aaron O'Toole's.

00:16:18.600 Aaron O'Toole

00:16:19.160 that's pushing

00:16:19.900 towards liberal light,

00:16:21.440 but the caucus,

00:16:22.540 the Tory MPs

00:16:23.180 that are elected

00:16:23.540 from across the country

00:16:24.740 are still connected

00:16:25.920 to the conservative grassroots

00:16:27.240 and they're not

00:16:28.480 for this kind of policy.

00:16:30.200 But here's the thing,

00:16:31.340 it used to be the case

00:16:32.540 that the party leader

00:16:33.260 would just sort of

00:16:34.000 steamroll any opposition

00:16:35.620 and determine exactly

00:16:36.920 what the party

00:16:37.760 was going to say,

00:16:38.600 but right now,

00:16:39.200 Aaron O'Toole

00:16:39.700 is incredibly weak

00:16:40.780 within the party.

00:16:41.840 As I covered on the show

00:16:43.060 a couple weeks ago,

00:16:44.120 the conservative MPs

00:16:45.360 voted in favor

00:16:46.360 of something called

00:16:46.820 a Reform Act,

00:16:47.760 which allows

00:16:48.620 for a leadership review

00:16:49.980 among a party leader

00:16:51.160 with just a signature

00:16:52.260 of 24 conservative MPs.

00:16:54.360 So all it takes

00:16:54.960 is 24 MPs

00:16:56.220 to say,

00:16:56.620 no,

00:16:56.720 we don't want this guy

00:16:57.560 anymore

00:16:58.300 and it will spur

00:16:59.540 a leadership review

00:17:00.700 which could potentially

00:17:01.940 oust Aaron O'Toole.

00:17:03.120 So right now,

00:17:03.600 he's weak from the election loss

00:17:04.800 and he's worried

00:17:05.600 about this leadership review

00:17:07.140 and so rather than

00:17:08.320 just telling

00:17:08.900 all of the MPs

00:17:10.260 to believe

00:17:11.480 what he believes,

00:17:12.380 it's now basically

00:17:13.180 the exact opposite

00:17:14.180 of that

00:17:14.540 where the MPs

00:17:15.460 get to tell

00:17:16.440 the leader

00:17:16.960 what to do,

00:17:17.520 which is much more democratic

00:17:18.780 and probably much better

00:17:20.500 for the conservative party

00:17:21.880 in my mind,

00:17:22.420 especially with a guy

00:17:23.340 like Aaron O'Toole

00:17:24.180 in charge.

00:17:25.300 So O'Toole

00:17:25.880 allowed the caucus

00:17:27.320 to win the day.

00:17:28.260 He allowed Blake Richards

00:17:29.540 to go out and say

00:17:30.360 that the conservatives

00:17:31.020 do oppose mandatory vaccines

00:17:32.860 but then get this,

00:17:33.900 a mere 24 hours later,

00:17:35.380 Aaron O'Toole himself

00:17:36.320 was a guest on TVO,

00:17:37.840 which is the public

00:17:38.600 television station

00:17:39.540 in Ontario.

00:17:40.460 He was speaking

00:17:41.200 with Steve Pakin,

00:17:42.760 host of The Agenda

00:17:43.580 and O'Toole

00:17:44.620 just basically

00:17:45.380 changed his mind,

00:17:46.480 contradicted caucus,

00:17:47.540 contradicted Blake Richards

00:17:48.600 and he said

00:17:49.560 that the conservatives

00:17:50.740 will respect

00:17:51.480 the Liberal Party's rule,

00:17:53.100 which means

00:17:53.500 that they will conform,

00:17:54.820 which means

00:17:55.180 that they now

00:17:55.700 also believe

00:17:56.480 in forced mandatory

00:17:58.440 vaccines

00:17:59.280 for all members

00:18:00.460 of Parliament.

00:18:01.040 Your position

00:18:01.560 may be very reasonable

00:18:02.380 but the Speaker,

00:18:03.160 the Board of the Eternal

00:18:03.860 Economy of Parliament

00:18:04.700 has still said,

00:18:06.120 tough,

00:18:06.760 the O'Toole formula

00:18:08.500 isn't good enough,

00:18:09.260 we need everybody vaccinated.

00:18:10.620 You can't say

00:18:11.200 everybody in your caucus

00:18:12.120 is vaccinated.

00:18:13.240 We can say

00:18:14.000 that we will follow

00:18:15.040 all public health guidance.

00:18:17.140 So Steve,

00:18:17.700 the BOIE

00:18:18.200 and the Speaker

00:18:18.780 have ruled

00:18:19.640 and we will respect that,

00:18:21.060 of course.

00:18:21.860 We also think,

00:18:22.940 though,

00:18:23.580 that we have to look at

00:18:25.240 not dividing people

00:18:26.640 on this issue.

00:18:27.500 It is difficult

00:18:28.600 to see

00:18:29.360 places where we're

00:18:31.280 seeing people

00:18:31.980 terminated

00:18:33.000 where in some cases

00:18:34.100 I think if we work smart

00:18:35.560 and use all tools

00:18:36.760 we have,

00:18:37.620 we could probably

00:18:38.620 avoid these sort

00:18:39.860 of confrontations

00:18:40.660 with just not

00:18:41.460 politicizing vaccinations.

00:18:43.260 So for 24 hours

00:18:44.740 we had a hint

00:18:45.820 of daylight

00:18:46.320 between the Liberal Party

00:18:47.600 and the Conservative Party.

00:18:48.780 There was a hint

00:18:49.320 of a distinction,

00:18:50.360 a hint of a difference

00:18:51.420 between these two

00:18:52.140 major parties

00:18:52.720 but that apparently

00:18:53.760 was just too much

00:18:54.680 for Aaron O'Toole.

00:18:56.020 Aaron O'Toole

00:18:56.480 prefers to take

00:18:57.620 the Liberal position

00:18:58.320 on every issue.

00:18:59.500 He prefers not to have

00:19:00.480 any kind of media scrutiny.

00:19:01.640 He doesn't want to have

00:19:02.600 those moderately

00:19:03.900 tough questions

00:19:04.640 like we saw

00:19:05.180 the CTV host

00:19:06.040 Evan Solomon

00:19:06.800 asking Blake Richards

00:19:08.500 there.

00:19:09.080 Under Aaron O'Toole's

00:19:10.400 leadership

00:19:10.760 with Aaron O'Toole

00:19:11.580 as leader

00:19:12.040 he would much

00:19:12.880 prefer the parties

00:19:13.720 be so similar

00:19:15.240 that you can't even

00:19:16.020 tell them apart

00:19:16.700 the exact same,

00:19:18.180 the rigid sameness

00:19:19.180 and that is

00:19:19.820 the biggest plague

00:19:20.740 on our political

00:19:21.420 system right now.

00:19:22.880 I'm Candace Malcolm

00:19:23.400 and this is

00:19:24.020 The Candace Malcolm Show.

Juno News - October 25, 2021

O’Toole caves on vaccine mandates for MPs

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