Juno News - October 25, 2021


O’Toole caves on vaccine mandates for MPs


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Every major political party in Canada is the exact same. Vaccine mandates are the latest policy that they all agree on. In this episode, Candice talks about why the lack of diversity in Canada's political parties is making them uninspiring.

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00:00:00.360 Every major political party in Canada is the exact same.
00:00:04.400 Vaccine mandates are the latest policy that they all agree on.
00:00:07.400 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
00:00:14.700 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program.
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00:00:24.840 Today I want to talk about the uninspiring sameness of Canada's political parties,
00:00:29.560 the uninspiring sameness.
00:00:30.860 I had a column over in the Toronto Sun over the weekend with the same title,
00:00:34.420 put it up on True North, and I want to go through my argument on that.
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00:01:59.220 Okay, so back to our topic today.
00:02:02.000 The political parties are all the same.
00:02:03.780 There's sometimes little differences here and there,
00:02:06.340 and those differences we see are quickly dissolving.
00:02:09.740 The parties are converging.
00:02:11.140 They basically have the same opinion on every single important issue.
00:02:14.720 So this was something that really stood out to me during the federal election.
00:02:17.980 I thought that the most striking feature of the recent federal election
00:02:21.260 was just the pure amount of overlap between the political parties
00:02:24.780 when it came to all of the details in their platforms,
00:02:27.780 but also their overall governing philosophies.
00:02:30.660 We're at the point where we have the liberals, the conservatives,
00:02:34.400 the new Democrats who aren't that new anymore.
00:02:36.180 They're kind of just like U.S. Democrats
00:02:38.000 who are very similar to the liberals here in Canada.
00:02:41.260 The Bloc Quebecois who at least have their own sort of mandate,
00:02:44.840 but when it comes to policies,
00:02:45.980 they agree with everyone else and the Greens,
00:02:49.160 they all have the same opinion on virtually every political issue
00:02:52.000 that matters in Canada.
00:02:53.580 We're at a point where every party thinks
00:02:55.400 that there is a climate catastrophe,
00:02:58.080 that there is a climate crisis,
00:02:59.620 that they're so steeped in climate alarmism.
00:03:02.300 The whole idea of a Green Party seems redundant.
00:03:05.020 The Liberal Party is the Green Party.
00:03:06.780 The NDP Party is the Green Party.
00:03:08.620 And at this point, the Conservative Party is the Green Party,
00:03:11.420 and the Bloc Party is the Green Party.
00:03:12.540 So we saw a huge dip in support for the Green Party,
00:03:16.160 partially because their party is in such turmoil.
00:03:19.000 Their leader was so uninspiring and new to politics,
00:03:22.100 but also just because they're all Green Parties now.
00:03:24.980 So we don't really need this single-issue niche party anymore.
00:03:28.680 The Green Party has succeeded in many ways.
00:03:30.480 Their job is done.
00:03:31.580 Everybody has bought in to this alarmist, over-the-top,
00:03:35.400 the world is ending, the sky is falling, chicken little worldview
00:03:38.340 when it comes to climate,
00:03:39.620 that we don't even need the Green Party anymore
00:03:41.800 because they're all Green Parties.
00:03:43.200 So in some ways, that is a win for Elizabeth May 0.81
00:03:46.520 and the people who really built up that Green Party.
00:03:49.340 And when you take a step back
00:03:50.180 and you look at the broader policies in this country
00:03:52.740 on health care, on fiscal federalism,
00:03:54.860 on the idea of official bilingualism,
00:03:57.000 on the basic governing concept of having high taxes,
00:04:00.860 big budgets, budget deficits,
00:04:02.800 a large civil service, the size of the public service,
00:04:05.160 they all agree on it.
00:04:05.980 They also all agree on the ideas behind government child care,
00:04:09.720 affordable housing, reconciliation,
00:04:11.840 truth and reconciliation with First Nations Canadians.
00:04:14.180 Again, the environment.
00:04:15.380 When it comes to immigration,
00:04:16.700 when it comes to foreign policy,
00:04:18.220 gun control, abortion, speech censorship,
00:04:21.200 COVID-19 restrictions, COVID-19 lockdowns,
00:04:23.900 COVID-19 vaccines,
00:04:25.340 and some variation of the idea of universal basic income,
00:04:28.920 which we saw throughout the pandemic.
00:04:30.380 When it comes to all of these policies and more,
00:04:32.460 they all agree.
00:04:33.340 Every single party agrees.
00:04:34.920 They all have the same ideas.
00:04:37.240 So sure, each party has a slightly different way of framing the issues.
00:04:41.620 They tinker with the various rates and rebates.
00:04:43.940 They use slightly different language here and there.
00:04:46.400 But overall, it would be nearly impossible
00:04:48.760 for the average Canadian voter
00:04:50.420 to name the party behind the various big ticket items
00:04:54.140 that we saw in the platforms in the last elections.
00:04:56.800 Let's just go through this.
00:04:57.960 We'll do a little pop quiz here on the Candace Malcolm Show.
00:05:00.380 And you can guess which party was behind various policies
00:05:04.240 that were sort of the big ticket policies for each party.
00:05:07.280 So the first one up.
00:05:08.980 Which party proposed doubling the Canada workers' benefit
00:05:12.380 to give low-wage workers a rebate on their federal income tax?
00:05:16.140 Which party believes that Canadians earning 0.89
00:05:19.200 in the lowest income brackets
00:05:20.380 shouldn't pay federal taxes on that,
00:05:22.160 shouldn't pay income taxes,
00:05:23.040 and should get a rebate on tax time?
00:05:24.880 Who knows?
00:05:25.340 I mean, it could be a policy from any of the parties.
00:05:28.340 That one specifically came from the Conservatives, though.
00:05:31.200 So keep track if you got that one right.
00:05:34.760 Question number two.
00:05:35.940 Which party proposed a tax-free savings account
00:05:38.860 for first-time homeowners under the age of 40?
00:05:41.840 So first-time homeowners under the age of 40,
00:05:44.140 you want to save up for down payment.
00:05:46.100 This party proposed creating a special new tax-free savings account
00:05:49.600 so you could put money in there tax-free.
00:05:52.420 Which party was it?
00:05:53.460 And believe it or not, was the Liberals.
00:05:55.600 I know it sounds a bit like a Conservative policy.
00:05:57.780 That's the kind of policy that Stephen Harper used to come up with.
00:06:00.380 Remember, he was the one that came up with the tax-free savings account.
00:06:03.420 Well, the Liberals sort of took a page from the Conservative book
00:06:05.760 in that regard and created this nifty little tax loophole
00:06:08.880 for young first-time homebuyers.
00:06:11.320 Again, that could have been a policy from the Conservatives,
00:06:13.880 could have been a policy from any of the parties, frankly.
00:06:16.800 Finally, question number three.
00:06:17.820 Which of the parties proposed a two-year ban on foreign home ownership,
00:06:23.740 foreign ownership of homes in Canada?
00:06:26.740 Okay, to be fair, that's a bit of a trick question
00:06:28.620 because they basically all agree on that one.
00:06:30.840 Yes, that's right.
00:06:31.640 The Liberals, Conservatives, and the NDP all had some variation
00:06:34.520 of a ban on home ownership for foreign owners.
00:06:38.560 So trick question.
00:06:39.400 Again, they all agree on virtually everything.
00:06:41.840 So let me know what your score was out of three there.
00:06:44.700 But I imagine that, you know, the people who are watching this show,
00:06:48.000 first of all, are pretty tuned in.
00:06:49.340 So you're the political junkies out there.
00:06:51.460 You might score better.
00:06:52.540 My guess is the average Canadian voter probably got a zero out of three,
00:06:57.360 maybe one out of three on that little quiz I came up with.
00:07:00.180 And another example right here.
00:07:01.660 One of the biggest ticket items from the Conservative campaign
00:07:04.780 during the election was this idea that mothers who had just given birth,
00:07:08.820 just had babies and were off work on maternity leave,
00:07:12.080 which new mothers collect EI in Canada.
00:07:14.040 So this idea that women who begin working part-time
00:07:17.960 would still be able to collect the EI maternity leave while working part-time. 0.99
00:07:22.840 And so this was sort of billed as this really great pro-family policy
00:07:26.920 by the Conservatives.
00:07:28.020 And a lot of people on social media were saying that it was a great idea.
00:07:30.860 But here's the kicker.
00:07:32.140 The Liberal government apparently already allows this.
00:07:35.100 And so we saw an expert in employment law come out on social media
00:07:39.740 and really demonstrate the point that this great new Conservative policy idea
00:07:44.480 was actually already a policy in Canada under the Liberal government.
00:07:48.440 So it is this uninspiring sameness of the major parties
00:07:53.540 that led us to this status quo election outcome.
00:07:56.720 The outcome of the election was remarkably similar to the result in 2019.
00:08:01.620 So here we had an election two years later.
00:08:04.340 If you follow the campaign closely, like we did here at the Candace Malcolm show,
00:08:07.760 you know that there was a lot of twists and turns.
00:08:09.840 The Trudeau campaign made so many unforced errors on this campaign.
00:08:13.920 Trudeau started very high in the polls.
00:08:16.040 The whole idea of launching this election and triggering it
00:08:18.620 was that Trudeau wanted a majority government.
00:08:20.340 He thought that his handling of the pandemic was going to easily deliver him that.
00:08:24.340 What we saw was that the Canadians, according to polls, if you believe the polls,
00:08:29.420 but what we saw from the polls was that Trudeau was really popular at the beginning.
00:08:33.580 And then as the campaign went on, his support plummeted
00:08:37.080 and it looked like Aaron O'Toole was going to win the election.
00:08:39.900 And then Aaron O'Toole kind of faltered in the final two weeks.
00:08:42.400 I posit that is because he just wouldn't hold his ground.
00:08:45.480 He didn't hold his ground.
00:08:46.300 He flip-flopped on every issue and Canadians saw that as weakness.
00:08:49.260 But at the end of the day, the outcome of the 2021 election
00:08:52.660 was remarkably similar to the 2019 election.
00:08:56.660 And that clearly was because Canadians are just indifferent to the various pitches.
00:09:02.040 And thus, at the end of the day, they just retreated to their old habits.
00:09:05.920 They cast their ballot in the exact same way as they did in the previous election.
00:09:10.180 They're tuned out.
00:09:11.540 They're uninspired.
00:09:12.660 And this is because everything is the same.
00:09:15.380 The political parties have the same views.
00:09:17.380 Now, let me just make one small note here
00:09:19.560 because I know a lot of people in the comment sections
00:09:21.440 are probably making this point already.
00:09:23.540 There is, of course, one exception, one major exception to this rule
00:09:27.020 where every single party has the same view.
00:09:29.180 And that, of course, came by way of Maxime Bernier
00:09:31.800 and the People's Party of Canada.
00:09:33.660 They, to give them credit, ran on a very different set of ideas.
00:09:37.480 So here we had this political system with five mainstream parties,
00:09:41.420 the five parties that are always there,
00:09:42.860 that always get invited to the debates,
00:09:44.580 that are always sort of featured on the legacy media,
00:09:46.700 the liberals, the conservatives, the democrats, the bloc, and the greens.
00:09:51.160 And then now we have this new party, the People's Party,
00:09:53.160 who comes from more of the political right,
00:09:55.320 although they do attract voters from across the spectrum,
00:09:58.480 the sort of protest voters.
00:10:00.020 They created a very different set of issues that they campaigned on.
00:10:03.660 Bernier's ideas were outside the box.
00:10:05.600 And because of this, the media,
00:10:07.540 who also suffer from the exact same toxic groupthink
00:10:11.160 and rigid, boring sameness as the political parties,
00:10:14.380 well, they didn't know what to make of Maxime Bernier.
00:10:16.620 They didn't know what to make of his large followers.
00:10:19.040 And so they demonized Bernier.
00:10:20.840 They slandered Bernier.
00:10:22.120 They called him and his supporters every name in the book.
00:10:25.700 Regardless of all that,
00:10:27.160 because Bernier and the People's Party were different,
00:10:29.620 they managed to nearly triple their vote count in this election.
00:10:33.060 So Bernier and the People's Party did get rewarded
00:10:35.760 in terms of the number of vote casts,
00:10:37.400 but because of our first pass-to-post system,
00:10:39.540 they didn't make any real gains in terms of winning any seats.
00:10:42.920 So I will note that that was the one exception.
00:10:45.740 Thank goodness for Maxime Bernier saying something different.
00:10:48.300 At least it makes it a little more interesting for us
00:10:50.680 tuning in and watching.
00:10:52.340 But, you know, this is sort of the sad point.
00:10:54.560 This is the point of my show today,
00:10:56.360 the point of my article over in the Toronto Sun,
00:10:59.320 is that it was the Conservative Party,
00:11:01.000 the Conservative Party of Canada,
00:11:02.140 that once offered the occasional spark of originality.
00:11:06.080 They were the ones who would occasionally push back
00:11:08.100 against the painful dullness of Canada's political party system.
00:11:12.780 They sometimes resisted the media-induced conformity,
00:11:16.460 and they would say no to the left's latest insistence
00:11:19.340 that we all have the exact same opinion on every single issue.
00:11:22.640 And that is the crux of this whole thing.
00:11:24.340 The left wants absolute ideological conformity.
00:11:27.520 They want everyone to agree on every single thing.
00:11:30.040 And the Conservatives used to say,
00:11:31.540 no, we're okay with having a different view.
00:11:34.180 We don't agree with you on this.
00:11:35.680 But it seems like these Conservatives today,
00:11:37.760 the Conservative Party of Canada today,
00:11:39.460 doesn't do that anymore.
00:11:41.400 They no longer resist the left's conformity push.
00:11:45.420 And now they're just more than happy to conform
00:11:47.660 with the left's ideology on almost everything.
00:11:50.280 So the Conservatives used to push back,
00:11:52.780 even though it was ever so slightly.
00:11:54.140 Oftentimes they would just go along.
00:11:55.840 But sometimes, sometimes we would see them push back.
00:11:59.000 They'd say no to the latest leftist fad,
00:12:01.060 whether that be the fanatical climate alarmism,
00:12:04.200 whether it be the open borders immigration ideas,
00:12:07.800 or recently the idea that Canada has committed
00:12:10.920 the worst forms of crimes against humanity,
00:12:14.300 including genocide.
00:12:15.160 Conservatives would stand up and say,
00:12:16.540 let's bring some common sense to this scenario.
00:12:19.340 And no, we don't agree with these statements,
00:12:22.260 but it appears that those days are behind us.
00:12:24.900 Under Erin O'Toole,
00:12:25.720 the party seems committed to whitewashing itself
00:12:28.740 and becoming a true Big L Liberal Party.
00:12:32.380 Big L Liberal Party.
00:12:33.900 And last week was the latest example of this.
00:12:36.080 So I'm told that there was a very heated meeting,
00:12:38.720 caucus meeting,
00:12:39.280 on the topic of vaccine mandates.
00:12:41.780 The caucus meetings are when
00:12:42.980 all of the elected Conservative MPs get together.
00:12:45.740 They have a meeting.
00:12:46.860 And I'm told that the meeting
00:12:48.560 basically consisted of Erin O'Toole
00:12:50.560 and some of his sort of close allies in the party
00:12:53.200 presenting on this idea that the Conservatives
00:12:55.700 should just go along and get along on vaccine mandates.
00:12:58.580 They should force their MPs to get double vaccinated.
00:13:01.860 And they should just kind of align
00:13:03.120 with what the Liberals believe on that.
00:13:05.080 I'm told there was a lot of pushback,
00:13:06.860 that the MPs in caucus vehemently opposed this idea.
00:13:12.420 And they let it be known to Erin O'Toole
00:13:14.880 that he was not going to be allowed
00:13:17.480 to have this vaccine mandate for caucus.
00:13:20.700 And so as a result of that,
00:13:22.320 we had Blake Richards,
00:13:23.480 who is the Conservative Party whip,
00:13:25.280 come out following the meeting
00:13:26.720 and basically just state that,
00:13:28.500 say that the Conservative Party
00:13:30.240 is not in favor of this idea
00:13:31.940 of forced vaccinations for all MPs.
00:13:34.720 Obviously, there's broader repercussions for this.
00:13:36.840 It's not just about MPs,
00:13:38.040 but once they allow it in Parliament,
00:13:39.620 once they force all the MPs to get vaccinated,
00:13:41.500 it's only a matter of time
00:13:42.640 before every aspect of our society
00:13:44.300 will have this kind of double-vax rule.
00:13:47.240 So the Conservatives were the only holdout,
00:13:49.080 even though it sort of is a distinction
00:13:50.900 without a difference.
00:13:52.120 But here is Blake Richards on CTV
00:13:54.680 explaining the Conservative position.
00:13:56.640 And you can see,
00:13:57.320 I'll play a bit longer of the clip,
00:13:58.760 but you can see how the host
00:14:00.620 is sort of outraged about this idea
00:14:02.780 that the Conservatives are not forcing their MPs
00:14:06.200 to get vaccinated,
00:14:07.040 and they refuse to reveal the vaccine status
00:14:09.280 of members of Parliament
00:14:10.840 in the Conservative caucus.
00:14:12.140 So here's that clip.
00:14:12.840 Well, we've said all along
00:14:14.480 that we believe workplace safety,
00:14:16.120 including in Parliament,
00:14:17.060 can be assured by either vaccination
00:14:19.640 or producing a negative rapid test.
00:14:23.200 So we think that all members of Parliament
00:14:24.780 can safely perform their duties
00:14:26.840 in the House of Commons
00:14:27.620 and in our committee rooms
00:14:28.880 with either a vaccination or a rapid test.
00:14:32.520 I think it's critically important
00:14:33.640 that all members of Parliament
00:14:34.660 are able to participate in person
00:14:37.060 in those sessions
00:14:39.200 and bring forward
00:14:40.600 the really important issues
00:14:41.540 that we need to be dealing with
00:14:42.720 on behalf of our constituents.
00:14:45.720 But, okay,
00:14:47.400 every single person
00:14:48.800 that works in the House of Commons,
00:14:49.920 all the staff,
00:14:50.660 they have to be double vaccinated
00:14:51.760 to get on a plane,
00:14:52.660 you have to be double vaccinated
00:14:53.720 to get on a bus,
00:14:54.460 to train,
00:14:54.820 you've got to be double vaccinated.
00:14:56.960 Can you tell us
00:14:58.600 how many of the Conservative MPs
00:15:00.600 exactly are double vaccinated
00:15:03.360 and how many
00:15:04.140 this is going to be a problem for?
00:15:06.640 Well, I think it's really up
00:15:07.800 to each individual Canadian,
00:15:09.080 including members of Parliament,
00:15:10.100 to decide for themselves
00:15:11.120 whether they want to disclose
00:15:12.240 their personal health information.
00:15:14.740 But, you know,
00:15:15.520 there are other legislatures,
00:15:17.380 for example, in Canada.
00:15:18.820 Ontario is doing this,
00:15:20.200 Saskatchewan is doing this,
00:15:21.260 there may be others as well,
00:15:22.700 where, you know,
00:15:23.640 in order to participate
00:15:24.500 in the chamber,
00:15:25.960 in the legislative chamber,
00:15:27.400 you know,
00:15:27.600 either showing a vaccination status
00:15:29.680 or a negative rapid test.
00:15:32.280 So we believe that
00:15:33.340 it's worked in other jurisdictions.
00:15:35.940 Why can't it be done
00:15:37.320 for our Parliament?
00:15:38.600 I mean, this,
00:15:39.020 what we're talking about here
00:15:40.080 is the,
00:15:41.080 it's the House of Commons.
00:15:42.240 It's the very seat of democracy.
00:15:43.860 People,
00:15:44.520 thousands of Canadians
00:15:45.300 have elected each
00:15:46.300 of these members of Parliament
00:15:47.660 to serve them,
00:15:48.480 to represent them
00:15:49.340 in the House of Commons.
00:15:50.200 And we need,
00:15:51.640 we believe that it needs to be
00:15:53.000 something that all members
00:15:54.720 can do safely
00:15:56.060 in person in the House of Commons
00:15:58.040 and that through rapid testing
00:15:59.800 more vaccination.
00:16:00.300 You could do it.
00:16:01.220 Now, it's just interesting
00:16:02.460 to walk away from this
00:16:03.460 to see that Aaron O'Toole,
00:16:05.100 I'm told,
00:16:05.640 is the one that wants
00:16:06.680 vaccine mandates.
00:16:07.560 He wants the,
00:16:08.180 he has the same view
00:16:08.980 as Justin Trudeau on this,
00:16:10.140 but it is his caucus,
00:16:11.260 the conservative caucus
00:16:12.240 who hold out.
00:16:13.300 So they have a different view
00:16:14.500 on this
00:16:14.960 and I assume a different view
00:16:16.460 on most issues
00:16:17.360 than Aaron O'Toole's.
00:16:18.600 Aaron O'Toole
00:16:19.160 that's pushing
00:16:19.900 towards liberal light,
00:16:21.440 but the caucus,
00:16:22.540 the Tory MPs
00:16:23.180 that are elected
00:16:23.540 from across the country
00:16:24.740 are still connected
00:16:25.920 to the conservative grassroots
00:16:27.240 and they're not
00:16:28.480 for this kind of policy.
00:16:30.200 But here's the thing,
00:16:31.340 it used to be the case
00:16:32.540 that the party leader
00:16:33.260 would just sort of
00:16:34.000 steamroll any opposition
00:16:35.620 and determine exactly
00:16:36.920 what the party
00:16:37.760 was going to say,
00:16:38.600 but right now,
00:16:39.200 Aaron O'Toole
00:16:39.700 is incredibly weak
00:16:40.780 within the party.
00:16:41.840 As I covered on the show
00:16:43.060 a couple weeks ago,
00:16:44.120 the conservative MPs
00:16:45.360 voted in favor
00:16:46.360 of something called
00:16:46.820 a Reform Act,
00:16:47.760 which allows
00:16:48.620 for a leadership review
00:16:49.980 among a party leader
00:16:51.160 with just a signature
00:16:52.260 of 24 conservative MPs.
00:16:54.360 So all it takes
00:16:54.960 is 24 MPs
00:16:56.220 to say,
00:16:56.620 no,
00:16:56.720 we don't want this guy
00:16:57.560 anymore
00:16:58.300 and it will spur
00:16:59.540 a leadership review
00:17:00.700 which could potentially
00:17:01.940 oust Aaron O'Toole.
00:17:03.120 So right now,
00:17:03.600 he's weak from the election loss
00:17:04.800 and he's worried
00:17:05.600 about this leadership review
00:17:07.140 and so rather than
00:17:08.320 just telling
00:17:08.900 all of the MPs
00:17:10.260 to believe
00:17:11.480 what he believes,
00:17:12.380 it's now basically
00:17:13.180 the exact opposite
00:17:14.180 of that
00:17:14.540 where the MPs
00:17:15.460 get to tell
00:17:16.440 the leader
00:17:16.960 what to do,
00:17:17.520 which is much more democratic
00:17:18.780 and probably much better
00:17:20.500 for the conservative party
00:17:21.880 in my mind,
00:17:22.420 especially with a guy
00:17:23.340 like Aaron O'Toole
00:17:24.180 in charge.
00:17:25.300 So O'Toole
00:17:25.880 allowed the caucus
00:17:27.320 to win the day.
00:17:28.260 He allowed Blake Richards
00:17:29.540 to go out and say
00:17:30.360 that the conservatives
00:17:31.020 do oppose mandatory vaccines
00:17:32.860 but then get this,
00:17:33.900 a mere 24 hours later,
00:17:35.380 Aaron O'Toole himself
00:17:36.320 was a guest on TVO,
00:17:37.840 which is the public
00:17:38.600 television station
00:17:39.540 in Ontario.
00:17:40.460 He was speaking
00:17:41.200 with Steve Pakin,
00:17:42.760 host of The Agenda
00:17:43.580 and O'Toole
00:17:44.620 just basically
00:17:45.380 changed his mind,
00:17:46.480 contradicted caucus,
00:17:47.540 contradicted Blake Richards
00:17:48.600 and he said
00:17:49.560 that the conservatives
00:17:50.740 will respect
00:17:51.480 the Liberal Party's rule,
00:17:53.100 which means
00:17:53.500 that they will conform,
00:17:54.820 which means
00:17:55.180 that they now
00:17:55.700 also believe
00:17:56.480 in forced mandatory
00:17:58.440 vaccines
00:17:59.280 for all members
00:18:00.460 of Parliament.
00:18:01.040 Your position
00:18:01.560 may be very reasonable
00:18:02.380 but the Speaker,
00:18:03.160 the Board of the Eternal
00:18:03.860 Economy of Parliament
00:18:04.700 has still said,
00:18:06.120 tough,
00:18:06.760 the O'Toole formula
00:18:08.500 isn't good enough,
00:18:09.260 we need everybody vaccinated.
00:18:10.620 You can't say
00:18:11.200 everybody in your caucus
00:18:12.120 is vaccinated.
00:18:13.240 We can say
00:18:14.000 that we will follow
00:18:15.040 all public health guidance.
00:18:17.140 So Steve,
00:18:17.700 the BOIE
00:18:18.200 and the Speaker
00:18:18.780 have ruled
00:18:19.640 and we will respect that,
00:18:21.060 of course.
00:18:21.860 We also think,
00:18:22.940 though,
00:18:23.580 that we have to look at
00:18:25.240 not dividing people
00:18:26.640 on this issue.
00:18:27.500 It is difficult
00:18:28.600 to see
00:18:29.360 places where we're
00:18:31.280 seeing people
00:18:31.980 terminated
00:18:33.000 where in some cases
00:18:34.100 I think if we work smart
00:18:35.560 and use all tools
00:18:36.760 we have,
00:18:37.620 we could probably
00:18:38.620 avoid these sort
00:18:39.860 of confrontations
00:18:40.660 with just not
00:18:41.460 politicizing vaccinations.
00:18:43.260 So for 24 hours
00:18:44.740 we had a hint
00:18:45.820 of daylight
00:18:46.320 between the Liberal Party
00:18:47.600 and the Conservative Party.
00:18:48.780 There was a hint
00:18:49.320 of a distinction,
00:18:50.360 a hint of a difference
00:18:51.420 between these two
00:18:52.140 major parties
00:18:52.720 but that apparently
00:18:53.760 was just too much
00:18:54.680 for Aaron O'Toole.
00:18:56.020 Aaron O'Toole
00:18:56.480 prefers to take
00:18:57.620 the Liberal position
00:18:58.320 on every issue.
00:18:59.500 He prefers not to have
00:19:00.480 any kind of media scrutiny.
00:19:01.640 He doesn't want to have
00:19:02.600 those moderately
00:19:03.900 tough questions
00:19:04.640 like we saw
00:19:05.180 the CTV host
00:19:06.040 Evan Solomon
00:19:06.800 asking Blake Richards
00:19:08.500 there.
00:19:09.080 Under Aaron O'Toole's
00:19:10.400 leadership
00:19:10.760 with Aaron O'Toole
00:19:11.580 as leader
00:19:12.040 he would much
00:19:12.880 prefer the parties
00:19:13.720 be so similar
00:19:15.240 that you can't even
00:19:16.020 tell them apart
00:19:16.700 the exact same,
00:19:18.180 the rigid sameness
00:19:19.180 and that is
00:19:19.820 the biggest plague
00:19:20.740 on our political
00:19:21.420 system right now.
00:19:22.880 I'm Candace Malcolm
00:19:23.400 and this is
00:19:24.020 The Candace Malcolm Show.