Juno News - April 28, 2024


Ottawa spent $2.2 million unsuccessfully defending Emergencies Act use


Episode Stats

Length

17 minutes

Words per Minute

188.41957

Word Count

3,304

Sentence Count

243

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

A federal judge ruled that the government's use of the Armed Forces Act in response to an anti-police protest in 2011 was a violation of Canadian citizens' civil liberties. The government has since been fighting the ruling and has spent millions of dollars in legal fees to try to overturn it. In this episode, we talk to Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation about why the government should back down.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're tuned in to the Andrew Lawton Show.
00:00:08.800 But I want to shift gears here very dramatically for a moment.
00:00:12.680 It is Monday. We'll talk in a few minutes to our, well, a few seconds really,
00:00:16.280 to our good friend Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:00:19.200 But just to set the stage here, you remember when the Federal Court of Canada
00:00:23.520 found that Justin Trudeau had violated your and my constitutional rights
00:00:27.080 when they invoked the Emergencies Act and used it to trample on civil liberties?
00:00:31.620 Well, that lawsuit, they spent $2.2 million on in legal fees.
00:00:39.060 And by the way, tip of the iceberg, the appeal is ongoing.
00:00:42.060 But $2.2 million, only to be told by a federal court judge.
00:00:46.600 Yeah, that was not constitutional.
00:00:48.340 Chris Sims, always good to talk to you. Thanks for coming back on today.
00:00:51.500 Thanks for having us.
00:00:52.280 So $2.2 million. I mean, in terms of the broader Canadian budget,
00:00:57.660 this isn't the hugest amount, but it's about priorities.
00:01:00.760 Instead of a government showing contrition and saying,
00:01:02.980 yeah, you know what, we probably shouldn't have done that,
00:01:04.700 they fought it tooth and nail and even now are continuing to fight it.
00:01:08.620 Yeah, and it's one of those things, again,
00:01:10.580 that shows just how out of touch governments can get
00:01:12.960 when they're in power for so long.
00:01:15.260 And so, to your point, it was a federal court judge
00:01:18.340 that made what I would consider a pretty landmark ruling.
00:01:21.280 I'm not a lawyer, but a lot of my lawyer friends are calling it that.
00:01:24.300 When the justice decided, yeah, the invocation of the Emergencies Act
00:01:28.540 that included things like freezing the bank accounts
00:01:31.560 of people who were supporting the protesters
00:01:33.600 who were in Ottawa at the time was unconstitutional.
00:01:37.140 You can't do that.
00:01:38.060 So definitely hats off to our friends and colleagues
00:01:40.820 over the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
00:01:42.620 I know you've spoken with them many times, Andrew, on your show.
00:01:45.620 And so that was a really key ruling.
00:01:47.320 And I think a lot of people are now writing that down
00:01:50.060 as precedent going forward.
00:01:51.980 And so it would be a good idea for the government
00:01:54.720 to kind of read the room.
00:01:56.740 You know, it's no longer 2021.
00:01:59.080 You know, the heat has come down out of this kind of witch hunt era,
00:02:03.820 as the CCF would have put it at the time,
00:02:05.920 during the pandemic and during the lockdowns.
00:02:08.320 And now it's probably a good idea for the federal government
00:02:11.480 to kind of look around and say, you know what,
00:02:13.360 is this really in the best interest of the public
00:02:15.680 for us to continuously fight this
00:02:17.580 after someone as high level as a federal judge
00:02:21.460 has said, yeah, you guys crossed the line here,
00:02:23.980 better back off.
00:02:24.780 And as my colleague Franco Terrazano said,
00:02:27.160 the federal director of the CTF,
00:02:28.820 they should really back down off of this.
00:02:30.600 They shouldn't spend one penny more of taxpayers' money.
00:02:33.420 And if the government does want to say something,
00:02:35.200 they could probably start with an apology.
00:02:36.880 Yeah, and this is the thing.
00:02:40.340 And we saw in Alberta, your province, this happen.
00:02:43.160 When Danielle Smith took over,
00:02:44.840 she issued an apology on behalf of the Alberta government
00:02:48.380 to unvaccinated people in the province
00:02:50.140 who had been subjected under the previous government
00:02:52.980 by Jason Kenney to some very significant restrictions,
00:02:55.260 which were common across the country,
00:02:57.300 but didn't actually have any sort of contrition
00:02:59.380 or acknowledgement of wrongdoing from the governments.
00:03:01.960 And there are some people who would say,
00:03:03.740 of course, too little, too late.
00:03:04.920 But I would also point out here that it was something,
00:03:07.620 and she certainly hasn't spent time
00:03:09.200 fighting these people in court.
00:03:11.040 And that's the great thing,
00:03:12.300 is that the government right now federally says,
00:03:14.040 on one hand, oh yeah, we want to move on from this,
00:03:16.000 but they're still trying to defend the indefensible here,
00:03:19.540 which is saying and spending, again,
00:03:21.040 millions of dollars in taxpayer money
00:03:22.900 to defend their right to freeze your bank account.
00:03:26.140 Exactly.
00:03:26.900 And going on with an appeal to this ruling is not moving on.
00:03:31.220 That is continuously spending taxpayers' money.
00:03:33.880 And I think we need to really put a frame around this,
00:03:37.060 on what happened when they froze those bank accounts.
00:03:39.680 So, not getting into the details about,
00:03:42.040 you know, yay, trucker, whatever,
00:03:43.380 but when you look at it, according to police,
00:03:46.020 this was a peaceful protest,
00:03:48.280 people were expressing themselves,
00:03:50.020 and then they used this draconian sort of law,
00:03:53.060 this Emergencies Act,
00:03:54.520 which, according to the government
00:03:56.280 and according to legal experts,
00:03:58.160 is only supposed to be used in extreme emergencies,
00:04:00.960 thus the term.
00:04:03.040 And so, putting it in a nutshell,
00:04:05.060 what the judge said,
00:04:06.340 and I'm paraphrasing,
00:04:07.240 is protest isn't an emergency.
00:04:10.260 You know, we are not being invaded,
00:04:11.960 God forbid.
00:04:12.960 You know, aliens are not coming down out of the sky.
00:04:15.320 We are not suffering a massive terrorist attack again,
00:04:17.800 God forbid.
00:04:18.700 That is what the Emergencies Act is supposed to be.
00:04:21.820 And yet, they went and did it anyway.
00:04:24.300 And so, that is why the Taxpayers' Federation said,
00:04:26.920 if you suspend civil liberties,
00:04:29.740 if you invoke something
00:04:30.680 that used to be called the War Measures Act,
00:04:33.440 it's pretty difficult
00:04:34.500 for grassroots citizens organizations
00:04:36.540 to hold government to account.
00:04:39.000 And when you put that into the context of,
00:04:40.840 remember, a couple of years before that,
00:04:42.760 they tried sneaking through this little rule
00:04:44.660 that they'd be allowed to spend
00:04:46.400 without any government oversight at all.
00:04:48.400 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:49.200 Yeah, that was pretty wild.
00:04:50.900 And now, you add on
00:04:52.200 how much this is costing taxpayers
00:04:53.820 for things like the lockdowns.
00:04:55.400 Also, one could argue
00:04:56.860 that the Trudeau government
00:04:57.900 printed hundreds of billions of dollars
00:04:59.960 out of thin air
00:05:00.740 during that entire situation.
00:05:03.100 So, that has helped
00:05:03.920 with the inflation crisis,
00:05:05.200 as my friend, again,
00:05:06.340 Franco Teresano would point out.
00:05:08.000 So, we're still financially feeling
00:05:09.680 the results of this.
00:05:11.300 Probably a good idea
00:05:12.660 for the government
00:05:13.660 to put down the credit card
00:05:14.980 and start moving on from this
00:05:16.920 in their true nature.
00:05:18.120 Because keep in mind,
00:05:19.360 like, we don't have money for this.
00:05:21.200 The government does not have money for this.
00:05:22.900 Number one, it does not create wealth.
00:05:24.360 Every nickel of this
00:05:25.920 is taxpayers' money.
00:05:27.300 Number two,
00:05:28.240 we are so far in debt, Andrew.
00:05:30.620 We are a trillion dollars in debt.
00:05:32.860 The Trudeau government
00:05:33.560 has nearly doubled it
00:05:34.840 during its time in office.
00:05:36.360 Like, we have un-money.
00:05:37.960 All of this would be borrowed money
00:05:39.640 to continuously fight this thing.
00:05:42.440 Yeah, very well said.
00:05:44.040 And I think it's a natural segue
00:05:45.260 into the story
00:05:45.980 I talked about a bit last week.
00:05:47.500 But there's a bit of an update to it
00:05:48.920 in that CBC
00:05:49.560 is getting in the federal budget
00:05:52.220 another $42 million
00:05:53.360 in addition to the $1.4 billion
00:05:55.140 in addition to all of the money
00:05:57.380 they've gotten over the years.
00:05:58.520 Plus ad revenue,
00:05:59.700 which I imagine is like, you know,
00:06:01.120 $4 given their viewership numbers.
00:06:02.880 But still,
00:06:03.680 some people pay for advertising
00:06:05.660 on CBC inexplicably.
00:06:07.640 And here we have a government
00:06:09.660 that is giving more money
00:06:11.140 to the state broadcaster.
00:06:12.900 Well, the state broadcaster
00:06:14.480 gives millions of dollars
00:06:16.000 in executive bonuses.
00:06:17.700 And its president
00:06:19.260 doesn't even want to be interviewed
00:06:20.800 by CBC journalists.
00:06:22.300 This is a tweet from Travis Danraj.
00:06:26.440 Now, Travis Danraj is the guy
00:06:28.620 who at the beginning of COVID
00:06:29.620 like flew to Rio
00:06:30.680 and then, you know,
00:06:31.920 got realized
00:06:32.600 it made him look really bad
00:06:33.660 when he was writing about
00:06:34.900 why everyone else needs to stay home.
00:06:36.240 So he flew back.
00:06:37.020 But Travis Danraj,
00:06:38.240 he says that a time
00:06:39.100 when the public broadcaster
00:06:40.240 is under increasing scrutiny
00:06:41.460 and when transparency is needed,
00:06:43.280 Canada Tonight
00:06:43.960 requested an interview
00:06:44.920 with Catherine Tate.
00:06:46.800 We wanted to discuss
00:06:47.580 new budget funding,
00:06:48.460 what it means for jobs
00:06:49.320 and the corporation's
00:06:50.220 strategic priorities ahead.
00:06:51.720 Our request was declined.
00:06:53.220 This is unfortunate.
00:06:54.500 Now, I don't begrudge anyone
00:06:56.000 turning down an interview request
00:06:57.440 from Travis Danraj.
00:06:58.700 They have that right.
00:06:59.560 That is something you can do.
00:07:01.040 But when the CBC president
00:07:02.320 doesn't even want to be interviewed
00:07:03.380 by CBC,
00:07:04.200 why the heck are the rest of us
00:07:05.260 supposed to take them seriously?
00:07:06.780 I'm just so glad this happened
00:07:08.320 because it's so funny.
00:07:10.040 Yeah.
00:07:10.820 Right.
00:07:11.260 And so I think here,
00:07:12.680 this is me putting my thinking cap.
00:07:14.440 So full disclosure,
00:07:15.920 I did work at the CBCs
00:07:17.160 for a very short period of time.
00:07:18.520 They were very nice to me.
00:07:19.900 I hold no personal grudges whatsoever.
00:07:21.640 But I remember working
00:07:22.680 in the newsroom in Ottawa
00:07:23.880 and I'm just for the life of me
00:07:25.700 trying to figure out
00:07:26.540 how this went,
00:07:27.840 like how many different layers
00:07:29.280 of comms specialists
00:07:30.760 and assistants and producers
00:07:32.320 this request
00:07:33.320 would have had to go through.
00:07:34.460 And I think the reason
00:07:35.620 why CEO of the CBC,
00:07:37.800 Catherine Tate,
00:07:38.420 who, by the way,
00:07:39.020 is paid between
00:07:40.100 $400-something thousand dollars
00:07:42.140 and $600-something thousand dollars
00:07:44.020 per year
00:07:44.520 with bonuses included.
00:07:46.620 How it is that she
00:07:48.080 denied this request,
00:07:49.820 I think it goes back
00:07:50.840 to that national interview
00:07:52.280 that anchor,
00:07:53.960 she used to be a field reporter
00:07:54.960 for a long time,
00:07:55.760 Adrienne Arsenault,
00:07:56.460 but she's now an anchor
00:07:57.300 of the national
00:07:58.000 in case people don't know.
00:07:59.560 She had CEO Catherine Tate on
00:08:01.660 and this was just before Christmas.
00:08:03.360 And of course,
00:08:04.060 we all remember the story
00:08:05.300 of, oh,
00:08:05.780 this is going to cause
00:08:06.600 hundreds of layoffs
00:08:07.480 before Christmas,
00:08:08.600 these big cuts.
00:08:10.080 And so she went after Tate
00:08:11.800 saying,
00:08:12.460 oh, well,
00:08:12.860 the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
00:08:14.400 has found
00:08:15.140 that we're spending
00:08:16.200 between $14 and $15 million
00:08:17.820 on bonuses.
00:08:19.140 Are you at least going to
00:08:20.100 cut out the gravy
00:08:20.840 and the bonuses this year?
00:08:22.640 And Tate was lost
00:08:23.600 for an answer.
00:08:24.560 It was like a deer
00:08:25.260 stuck on the railroad tracks.
00:08:26.800 And so I have a feeling
00:08:27.880 that Tate's people said no.
00:08:28.760 I feel you've mixed
00:08:29.280 your metaphors there.
00:08:30.520 A deer in the headlights
00:08:31.700 became a deer.
00:08:32.480 What sort of sadistic
00:08:33.700 railroad track
00:08:34.680 bondage dungeon
00:08:36.300 are you running over there
00:08:37.160 in Lethbridge?
00:08:38.440 Well, you know what
00:08:39.200 it's like at night
00:08:39.900 when the train is coming
00:08:41.780 and it's got that big spotlight
00:08:42.900 and now it's added deer to it.
00:08:44.780 So yeah, I guess
00:08:45.340 now you've done
00:08:45.900 like a deer trolley dilemma.
00:08:47.460 We're going back
00:08:48.040 to first year philosophy here.
00:08:49.580 A deer is tied down
00:08:51.500 on the railroad tracks
00:08:52.840 and it's paralyzed
00:08:54.260 with fear.
00:08:55.340 But anyway,
00:08:56.460 I don't blame Catherine Tate
00:08:58.520 for not wanting
00:08:59.040 to return to CBC.
00:09:00.260 That is fair.
00:09:00.580 Yes, yes.
00:09:01.180 And the main thing here though
00:09:02.460 is again,
00:09:03.140 there's constantly crying poor
00:09:04.580 and the Trudeau government
00:09:06.360 just gave them
00:09:06.920 another $42 million.
00:09:09.140 And again,
00:09:10.040 trust in media,
00:09:11.140 in mainstream media
00:09:12.020 to be clear,
00:09:12.760 is just nosediving right now
00:09:14.760 and that's largely
00:09:15.740 because the government
00:09:16.860 is paying
00:09:17.580 so many journalists.
00:09:19.300 You can't hold
00:09:20.640 the government to account
00:09:21.520 if you're counting
00:09:22.040 on the government
00:09:22.480 for your paycheck.
00:09:23.460 And here they just went
00:09:24.460 and gave them
00:09:25.020 a big dollop more.
00:09:25.840 I'm kind of of the mind
00:09:27.740 that CBC should basically
00:09:29.520 just fire everyone
00:09:31.060 but those French journalists
00:09:32.360 that did the investigation
00:09:33.360 of the Transgender Youth Clinic.
00:09:36.060 They're like the ones there
00:09:37.160 that are doing real journalism
00:09:38.300 and then, you know,
00:09:38.920 get rid of everyone else.
00:09:39.900 But this one,
00:09:41.120 I would be remiss
00:09:41.920 to point out
00:09:42.440 that it is Earth Day today,
00:09:44.680 which I didn't realize.
00:09:45.800 It's kind of lost its shine.
00:09:47.160 Like Earth Hour,
00:09:48.000 I couldn't even tell you
00:09:48.880 when it is.
00:09:49.280 I remember when Earth Hour
00:09:50.000 was a thing
00:09:50.600 and everyone was really
00:09:51.980 excited about it
00:09:52.840 and now no one cares.
00:09:54.080 Earth Day,
00:09:54.660 I remember when I was a kid
00:09:56.240 in school,
00:09:57.520 which is going back
00:09:58.560 more than I'd care to admit now.
00:10:00.380 This was a thing
00:10:00.920 for a little while.
00:10:02.020 But Earth Day
00:10:02.620 is apparently today.
00:10:04.100 Stephen Gilbeau
00:10:04.860 commemorated it
00:10:05.880 by announcing
00:10:06.660 a federal plastics registry,
00:10:08.380 which I'll be talking about
00:10:09.300 in a couple of minutes
00:10:10.340 on the show.
00:10:10.920 But you decided
00:10:11.820 to share a video clip
00:10:13.620 from,
00:10:14.280 this is a deep cut
00:10:15.360 from the archives.
00:10:16.680 Anything you want to say
00:10:17.680 before we play it?
00:10:19.420 I just wanted to note
00:10:21.020 that this was just
00:10:22.280 a few days
00:10:22.920 after we launched.
00:10:24.660 From that TV station.
00:10:26.880 Enjoy.
00:10:27.040 Yeah, this is an old
00:10:27.780 Sun News gem,
00:10:30.180 which sadly,
00:10:31.000 the archives have been
00:10:32.000 lost to history
00:10:33.140 for the most part.
00:10:33.900 Well, you've got a few gems.
00:10:34.820 I played a little while ago
00:10:36.000 the one on this show
00:10:37.440 of Ezra doing his
00:10:38.900 like Marg Delahunte bit
00:10:40.740 where it was like
00:10:41.500 Ezra in drag,
00:10:43.120 which was like fantastic.
00:10:45.040 This one, though,
00:10:45.780 I had forgotten about.
00:10:46.700 Let's take a look.
00:10:47.560 I shall now commit
00:10:49.780 the most heinous crime
00:10:51.020 imaginable to earth worshippers.
00:10:53.280 They're pretty soft
00:10:54.020 on real crimes,
00:10:54.900 you know,
00:10:55.220 against people.
00:10:56.180 But St. Suzuki himself
00:10:57.540 has called for politicians
00:10:58.460 to be jailed
00:10:59.300 for not believing
00:11:00.200 in his theory
00:11:00.800 of man-made global warming.
00:11:02.540 Well, Suzuki's going to give me
00:11:03.660 the death penalty for this.
00:11:04.860 I shall now commit
00:11:06.180 first-degree lumberjacking
00:11:08.220 on this poor tree.
00:11:10.220 Happy Earth Day, Sam.
00:11:11.440 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:12.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:42.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:43.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:44.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:45.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:46.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:47.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:48.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:49.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:50.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:51.620 Fire up the chainsaw.
00:11:54.360 How he survived that,
00:11:56.660 I will not know
00:11:57.920 because it doesn't look like
00:11:59.120 he had ever touched
00:11:59.980 one of those things before
00:12:01.120 and I haven't asked Ezra.
00:12:02.860 I suspect has never done it
00:12:04.160 since either.
00:12:05.500 He just doesn't seem
00:12:07.020 like the type,
00:12:08.060 which is why it was smart
00:12:09.100 the producer got it started
00:12:10.400 for him,
00:12:10.820 but he did a thorough job
00:12:12.120 that poor little cedar hedge.
00:12:13.460 It didn't do anything to Ezra,
00:12:14.760 but you see how he got
00:12:15.740 right down there in the roots?
00:12:16.860 I don't know if that thing
00:12:17.740 bounced back.
00:12:19.060 Yeah, he made David Suzuki
00:12:20.900 cry there for sure.
00:12:23.800 Any Earth Day plans
00:12:25.340 on your part, Chris?
00:12:26.680 No, it's business as usual
00:12:29.000 here in Alberta,
00:12:30.060 producing energy
00:12:31.020 for the rest of the country
00:12:32.160 as best we can
00:12:32.880 and trying to export it
00:12:34.100 as best we can,
00:12:35.320 which I will remind people.
00:12:36.740 Again, let's just
00:12:38.400 for seriousness here.
00:12:39.800 If global emissions
00:12:40.920 are your key issue,
00:12:42.300 say they keep you up at night,
00:12:43.420 they get you up in the morning,
00:12:44.320 they really bother you.
00:12:45.500 We can work on the big end
00:12:46.780 of the arithmetic problem, folks.
00:12:48.400 We can actually ship things
00:12:49.700 like our natural gas,
00:12:50.840 which is much cleaner
00:12:51.560 burning fuel
00:12:52.240 to places like India
00:12:53.560 to replace their coal
00:12:55.640 and their wood
00:12:56.720 and their animal dung
00:12:57.900 that they burn indoors
00:12:59.080 every single day.
00:13:00.320 So if you want to actually
00:13:01.420 tackle global emissions,
00:13:02.760 let's work on the big end
00:13:03.740 of the arithmetic problem
00:13:04.680 and that includes places
00:13:06.080 like Alberta.
00:13:07.660 Well, and also inefficient forms
00:13:09.240 of fuel over the years,
00:13:10.400 like going back
00:13:10.960 to the 19th century,
00:13:12.700 have never been phased out
00:13:14.280 or combated by regulation,
00:13:16.260 but rather by innovation.
00:13:17.600 And this is the one thing
00:13:18.660 that the federal government
00:13:19.520 refuses to acknowledge.
00:13:21.300 Yes, I'm really glad
00:13:22.400 you brought this up.
00:13:23.120 Can I talk about horse manure
00:13:24.260 on your show?
00:13:25.260 Is that allowed?
00:13:25.560 Absolutely.
00:13:26.720 Okay.
00:13:27.180 It'll become a CBC broadcast
00:13:28.660 when you spew too much
00:13:29.960 of the manure, though.
00:13:30.640 This will become
00:13:31.260 a heritage moment.
00:13:32.320 So for folks
00:13:33.380 who aren't huge history
00:13:34.620 nerds,
00:13:35.200 I heartily encourage you
00:13:36.660 to pick up a book
00:13:37.980 from the last turn of,
00:13:39.160 oh my goodness,
00:13:39.780 I'm old,
00:13:40.160 turn of the last,
00:13:40.900 last century.
00:13:41.660 So in the late 1800s,
00:13:43.640 okay,
00:13:44.380 go look up
00:13:45.280 The Great Horse Manure Crisis.
00:13:47.280 And I'm bringing this up
00:13:48.180 for a real reason, okay?
00:13:49.940 Think pre-automobile, okay?
00:13:52.460 People were still
00:13:53.520 getting their stuff
00:13:54.320 to the store.
00:13:55.060 They were still
00:13:55.460 getting to school.
00:13:56.460 They still had to get to work.
00:13:57.820 People were still
00:13:58.460 transporting themselves
00:13:59.680 and goods,
00:14:00.600 especially in big cities
00:14:01.980 like New York City
00:14:03.360 and London
00:14:04.360 over in the United Kingdom.
00:14:06.000 How did they get to places?
00:14:07.500 How did they ship
00:14:08.140 their goods?
00:14:08.780 By horse and cart.
00:14:10.760 Now,
00:14:11.400 horses were our main
00:14:12.840 source of transportation,
00:14:14.640 but their emissions
00:14:15.960 were something real.
00:14:18.060 Not joking.
00:14:19.080 So at one point
00:14:20.120 in places like
00:14:21.100 New York City,
00:14:21.860 world-class cities
00:14:22.660 in London,
00:14:23.820 okay,
00:14:24.160 we had piles
00:14:25.620 and piles
00:14:26.340 of horse manure
00:14:27.720 that was so bad,
00:14:29.700 Andrew,
00:14:29.980 that people
00:14:30.640 couldn't get through it.
00:14:32.000 There were actually
00:14:32.640 jobs of men
00:14:33.860 that would get out there
00:14:34.520 with a shovel
00:14:35.080 to shovel a tunnel
00:14:36.360 for somebody
00:14:36.940 to even get across
00:14:37.920 the street.
00:14:38.900 Now,
00:14:39.080 just imagine the flies.
00:14:41.000 Just imagine the parasites
00:14:42.040 and the disease.
00:14:43.280 Add to that
00:14:43.880 actual horse carcasses.
00:14:45.920 So this is for real,
00:14:46.900 folks.
00:14:47.120 You can look it up
00:14:47.700 in the New York Times.
00:14:48.880 They had a summit
00:14:49.720 about this,
00:14:50.760 but you know what
00:14:51.620 saved them?
00:14:52.660 It was innovation.
00:14:54.020 The government
00:14:54.700 did not suddenly
00:14:55.560 grow a new arm
00:14:56.960 and start trying
00:14:58.280 to ban things
00:14:59.360 or tax things
00:15:00.300 to death
00:15:00.740 because they didn't
00:15:01.760 know what to do.
00:15:03.200 But problems
00:15:05.160 are the mother
00:15:06.060 of innovation,
00:15:07.060 okay?
00:15:07.540 A crisis is the mother
00:15:08.620 of innovation
00:15:09.240 and government
00:15:10.380 is not the solution.
00:15:11.800 What happened is
00:15:12.540 human beings invented
00:15:13.900 the internal combustion engine
00:15:15.300 and they went
00:15:16.060 to horseless cars.
00:15:17.880 Car, by the way,
00:15:18.560 is short for carriage,
00:15:20.340 okay?
00:15:20.700 That's why it's called
00:15:21.520 a dashboard
00:15:22.180 because it was literally
00:15:23.640 a board
00:15:24.360 that kept all the mud
00:15:25.460 and stuff
00:15:26.060 from flying up
00:15:27.300 when the horse
00:15:27.740 was dashing
00:15:28.340 in front of you.
00:15:29.420 So this is linear,
00:15:30.480 folks,
00:15:30.940 and we have been able
00:15:32.080 to solve transportation
00:15:33.340 emission crises
00:15:34.820 in the past
00:15:35.880 without resorting
00:15:37.360 to impoverishing people
00:15:38.620 for the sin
00:15:39.300 of driving to work
00:15:40.180 and heating their home.
00:15:42.100 I just stopped listening
00:15:43.780 when you said
00:15:44.260 car was short
00:15:45.080 for carriage.
00:15:45.900 I never knew that.
00:15:47.600 I'll say it
00:15:48.320 to the smartest person
00:15:49.040 in the room.
00:15:49.540 Will I look foolish
00:15:50.180 or is this,
00:15:50.840 are you confident
00:15:51.460 about that?
00:15:52.020 I'm 100% confident.
00:15:53.280 No, that's why
00:15:53.680 it's called a glove box too.
00:15:55.460 Because they literally
00:15:56.560 kept their driving gloves
00:15:58.400 that you're driving
00:15:59.660 a horse, right?
00:16:00.860 Why do we call it
00:16:01.580 driving?
00:16:02.160 Why do we call it
00:16:02.980 horsepower in the engine?
00:16:04.220 It's actually all related.
00:16:05.620 It's pretty fascinating.
00:16:06.860 And so the glove box
00:16:07.720 was literally
00:16:08.180 where the driver
00:16:08.880 would keep his or her gloves
00:16:10.320 so that way
00:16:10.800 you don't get chaps
00:16:11.700 from the reins.
00:16:12.960 Yeah, now they just call it
00:16:13.920 the insurance slip
00:16:14.680 and driver's manual box.
00:16:16.260 All right, I did not know that.
00:16:17.460 I learned so much
00:16:18.480 from you, Chris.
00:16:19.280 This is why we're glad
00:16:20.160 to have you back every Monday.
00:16:21.220 We will talk to you
00:16:22.140 next week.
00:16:22.780 Chris Sims
00:16:23.240 from the Canadian Taxpayers
00:16:24.740 Federation.
00:16:25.340 Always a pleasure.
00:16:26.420 Likewise.
00:16:27.360 All right.
00:16:28.040 I'm going to,
00:16:28.680 I trust Chris.
00:16:29.420 I'm going to fact check that.
00:16:30.420 Hang on.
00:16:30.780 Let me do this right now.
00:16:32.320 I want to make sure.
00:16:34.020 Yep.
00:16:34.340 No, she's,
00:16:35.420 ooh, actually,
00:16:36.420 hang on, hang on.
00:16:37.860 Do we have Chris?
00:16:39.060 If we have,
00:16:39.640 if we still have Chris,
00:16:40.520 let's put her back on here.
00:16:41.580 Okay.
00:16:42.520 The English word car
00:16:43.880 is believed to originate
00:16:45.560 from the Latin carom,
00:16:47.100 which, okay.
00:16:50.600 This one says chariot
00:16:52.160 that it comes from,
00:16:53.400 but yours makes more sense.
00:16:55.040 Yeah.
00:16:55.220 Well, it would have gone,
00:16:56.200 so I'm not an etymologist.
00:16:58.180 Okay.
00:16:58.580 My husband is.
00:16:59.860 Oh yeah, he's a good one too.
00:17:01.020 If I'm delving into this,
00:17:02.520 so it would have gone chariot
00:17:03.960 to carriage to car.
00:17:05.740 It all would have been.
00:17:05.940 Okay, no, yeah.
00:17:06.560 It originally referred
00:17:07.260 to any wheeled,
00:17:08.020 horse-drawn vehicle
00:17:08.660 such as a cart,
00:17:09.440 carriage, or wagon.
00:17:10.160 So I guess it could have been
00:17:11.120 cart or carriage,
00:17:12.280 depending on which
00:17:13.380 evolutionary path it took.
00:17:14.660 All right.
00:17:15.660 Well, you're our
00:17:16.140 in-house etymologist now.
00:17:17.380 Step aside, Harley.
00:17:18.560 We got Chris showing up here.
00:17:20.760 All right.
00:17:21.780 Thanks for coming back on.
00:17:23.660 Bye.
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