00:00:50.880And if Canadians choose to double down on this Liberal government, do a fourth term of Liberal government,
00:00:57.660I don't know what will happen to the country, I don't know what will happen with Canada, but I fear the worst.
00:01:03.200I fear that our country cannot survive.
00:01:05.640And so here we are in this election, and we learn this absolute bombshell news that our election is being interfered by the Communist Chinese government.
00:01:16.920Again, for years we've been warned that there is interference in our democratic institutions, specifically in our elections.
00:01:23.240We've learned that it happened in 2021, sort of more on a minor scale.
00:01:27.640But there were instances of Chinese groups communicating and trying to dissuade voters from voting for the Conservatives.
00:01:34.920It's happening again, the government's come out and said it, that it's happening, we know it's happening.
00:01:40.500And the response is just sort of a collective, like shrugging our shoulders, not much we can do about it, let's just carry on.
00:01:48.420This is our democracy that we are fighting for.
00:01:50.600This is our election, and this needs to stop.
00:01:52.860So today on the show, we are going to shine a light on this nefarious activity.
00:01:57.580I am joined by one of the best investigative journalists in the country who has been painstakingly outlying this and providing evidence and showcasing it to his followers and his readers.
00:02:16.620This is the most important election we can imagine, certainly, that I've ever experienced.
00:02:21.800Well, and the fact, I mean, this is just so frustrating to me.
00:02:24.360We had a site intelligence officer come out this week and say what we all know to be true, that there are coordinated campaigns promoting Mark Carney.
00:02:35.120The legacy media covered it in the exact opposite way, right?
00:02:38.140We know that the Chinese government is out there promoting Mark Carney, pushing his message, saying that he's the best leader, trying to convince specifically people in the Chinese diaspora community, but also more broadly in other communities, saying we need to vote for Mark Carney.
00:02:52.540He's the one that will stand up to Donald Trump.
00:02:56.040The media say that Mark Carney is being targeted, that the liberals are being targeted as if they are somehow the victims of this coordinated campaign.
00:03:03.900We all know that if this was happening with the conservatives, say the Americans or the Russians were out there promoting Pierre Polyev, we know that this would be a huge scandal.
00:03:12.520The media would be tearing their hair out.
00:03:14.200It would be, you know, the number one story across the country.
00:03:17.080Everyone would be talking about how unacceptable it is that there were foreign interference.
00:03:21.120And yet somehow when it happens with China, when it happens with the liberals, again, there's just this sort of collective shrug of the shoulders.
00:03:30.120And Sam, I want to get you to react to this video.
00:03:33.080So Mark Carney was out in Delta, British Columbia on Tuesday.
00:04:34.260Why wouldn't he say this is unacceptable in Canadian democracy and it needs to stop?
00:04:38.580I mean, to me, that was just so unacceptable of an answer.
00:04:41.000What do you what do you make of all this?
00:04:42.040Well, Candace, it was one of the weakest answers, frankly, I've ever seen from a national leader.
00:04:47.580One, I was at that press conference that disclosed that site breaking news intelligence, which, as you know, the only reason journalists are now getting that is because my work over the previous years put the spotlight on Canada's lack of action on these known threats.
00:05:04.080So Mr. Carney's answer, look, we as journalists in that site briefing on Monday, we were told by the government that Mr. Carney was targeted by PRC, rather Communist Party networks with connections to the highest level of the state, promoting or boosting through WeChat some positive and some negative messages.
00:05:26.900But a very astute National Post reporter looked at the briefing package we got and said, I'm sorry, I only see very strong, positive messages.
00:05:38.640And what do you know, they were saying they were very glowing, a 2000 word story saying essentially the same thing the liberals are saying in their campaign.
00:06:06.800And so myself as probably the leading subject expert in Canadian journalism and a lot of the areas of government on Chinese interference, I can dissect that Chinese intelligence and indicate that, yes, not only is it focused on the millions of Chinese Canadians,
00:06:23.440millions of page views, but that same narrative is going across the Liberal Party campaign and with my deep knowledge of how Chinese intelligence has access to Justin Trudeau's inner circle through staff positions.
00:06:39.820I think it's fair to ask, has that Chinese Communist Party messaging that at the end of the day seeks to divide Ottawa from Washington and has been trying to do that since Pierre Trudeau quite successfully with a lot of people in the Liberal Party making Canadians anti-American in their view?
00:06:58.100Is that Communist messaging that supports Mr. Carney making it into the Liberal campaign?
00:07:03.880And my short answer is, yes, I believe so.
00:07:06.400I can see a lot of data points lining that up.
00:07:09.100But look, Mr. Carney's answer, he could have said there were messages that said that the Liberals will be essentially, you know, the best to fight the United States.
00:07:28.320If I were a Canadian leader, if I ever go into politics, that would be my message.
00:07:33.060But Mr. Carney, Candace, I've reported in the weeks prior, Mr. Carney meets with Xi Jinping in 2024.
00:07:41.480Mr. Carney secures a $250 million Bank of China loan for his investment fund Brookfield while China's real estate market is crashing.
00:07:50.900So at a high level, I think Mr. Carney is very, very positive for Beijing in its growing economic war, if not threat of greater and broader war with the United States.
00:08:17.660This clip was making the rounds on social media.
00:08:20.020Andrew shared it a few weeks ago, but it was popping up everywhere as well.
00:08:25.240So this is at a conference, China Carbon Neutrality, where Mark Carney basically just praises China, says that China's at center stage in the new global sustainable financial system and really just cheerleading China.
00:08:41.460So it's no it's no wonder why China will be out there supporting Mark Carney.
00:08:46.340The momentum behind this agenda is now tremendous and it'll be important that China is center stage to shape this new global sustainable financial system.
00:08:58.320And we see a lot of these kind of clips circulating of Mark Carney.
00:09:03.740This one was from all the way back in August 2016.
00:09:06.720But here's Mark Carney speaking at a Toronto region board of trade, praising China, saying that they're ambitious and basically saying that their greatest strength is their perspective.
00:09:31.720So we see that Mark Carney has a history and a career of wanting to promote China, wanting to work with China.
00:09:38.060You mentioned that he took that state loan from the state government bank in China for a quarter of a billion dollars back when he was also advising Justin Trudeau.
00:09:53.840He says, here is how countries have been responding to Donald Trump's tariffs.
00:09:57.460Then he writes, oh, Canada and the company we keep.
00:10:00.060So here is the breakdown, Trump's tariff response, the countries that are trying to negotiate with the Americans.
00:10:05.740And you can see the flags of those countries.
00:10:07.540So we have, let's see, Japan, South Korea, the U.K., Switzerland, Malaysia, Singapore, Brazil, Colombia, Turkey and Australia, countries that have offered concessions, India, Israel and a handful of others.
00:10:20.460And then the countries that have retaliated, there are only two.
00:10:23.420We are in a league unto ourselves, along with the Chinese.
00:10:27.020Canada and China are the two countries that are actually wanting to go to war against the Americans.
00:10:32.260Countries that want that may possibly retaliate, haven't decided yet.
00:10:38.060And then the country that is having no retaliation whatsoever is Mexico.
00:10:43.280So when you look at Mark Carney praising China and then when you look at his leadership and what Canada is doing, it looks like we are aligning ourselves away from the United States.
00:10:55.240And along with China, I'm sorry, China is not the company that we should be keeping on the international stage.
00:11:00.880No wonder China is promoting the Liberal government and Mark Carney because they see Canada as an easy mark, an ally in their war, in their Cold War against the United States.
00:11:12.360It's unbelievable that this is where we are as a country under the Liberal leadership.
00:11:20.200And, you know, Candace, I can give insight into records that the Night of the Globe and Mail, CBC or anyone else in Canada had access to.
00:11:28.540So people can go to the Bureau and see that I reported on CSIS documents that I obtained through leaks because people judged it so important.
00:11:38.360In 2019, the documents say during the Mun Wanzhou case, these documents say that People's Republic of China Intelligence employed a massively sophisticated operation targeting Canada's election and they calibrated their support.
00:11:55.880This is key. The document says they favor the Liberal Party leader, Justin Trudeau, and the Liberals, but they calibrated their support among other parties.
00:12:07.060And it was to secure the release of Mun Wanzhou.
00:12:10.600So think about what happened. Mun Wanzhou indeed was released back to China.
00:12:15.320China, as we know from my reporting in the Globe and Mail, indeed interfered pretty deeply.
00:13:19.400Who is benefiting from Canada going up against the United States?
00:13:25.080China is benefiting and Mark Carney is benefiting because the Liberal campaign is based upon really what is messages of anti-Americanism.
00:13:35.300And Candace, you know, I'll be very refined in my answer.
00:13:40.520I think it's egregious that Canadians are facing tariffs.
00:13:44.820And yet, I do think, unfortunately, Mexico and Canada are being used in a very sophisticated way by China to transship its products around the world.
00:13:57.100And that includes fentanyl precursors.
00:13:59.040So Washington and President Trump do have a deep state-level concern, whether they've said a lot of things that, frankly, messed up our election.
00:14:20.240Well, it feels like we are on the wrong side of this dispute.
00:14:23.800I wonder, though, Sam, so you see that your evidence and your research shows that there is deep interference.
00:14:29.000And yet the Hogue report and the Hogue inquiry sort of tried to brush it under the rug or downplay it.
00:14:35.400That's what it seemed like from my perspective.
00:14:37.120And then we had this report, this briefing earlier this week from SITE, where they emphasized that it was both sides, that it was positive and negative.
00:14:47.260And yet you and your colleague found that there was no negative campaign against the Liberals.
00:14:52.120So my question is, how deep is this corruption or how deep is the connection with China that even our own intelligence reports, even the people tasked with protecting Canada's institutions and exposing this kind of nefarious activities, that they have to equivocate and pretend that it's not as bad as it is or pretend that it's coming from both sides when the evidence clearly shows that that is not the case?
00:15:17.380Should we be worried about our very agencies that are tasked with protecting Canadians and protecting our elections and our democracy?
00:15:27.620In short, what I do hear from highly connected officials and experts in America and Canada is that people of the greatest integrity in Canadian law enforcement and intelligence and their counterparts in the U.S.
00:15:43.740have had some concerns about senior government figures in Canada meeting with known suspected Chinese threat actors of the type that are involved in organized crime, of the type that are involved in the money laundering, which the U.S.
00:15:59.680government is concerned with, that moves, you know, fentanyl, marijuana, human trafficking proceeds around the world.
00:16:07.280And sure, look, we've got, as some said, a baby step.
00:16:12.560Actually, I can say proudly, at least Canadians got disclosure this week that China, at the highest level, is targeting communities with disinformation that does favor, or if you take the government's view, target Mark Carney.
00:16:28.520But you're right, I and others that are very expert in this field say Canada's government and intelligence agencies at the bureaucratic level, very certainly are watering down what their agencies know about the liberals being favored.
00:16:43.920And you just have to be a smart reader and look at the data points to line up that very clearly, China does favor Justin Trudeau, Mark Carney, and a lot of politicians around them.
00:16:55.840And, you know, Candace, to your point, I mentioned, you know, I broke the story of this liberal candidate that stunned the world saying his conservative, suggesting his conservative rival could be turned over to the Toronto consulate.
00:17:10.480And, you know, I don't need to tell you about that story, but what does it reveal?
00:17:15.340After the Hogue Commission says, not too much to see here, we're on top of it, here we have a candidate come out and shock the world, suggesting his rival can be turned over to the very consulate that I know is at the center of the Chinese police stations, is at the center of money laundering networks, is at the center of supporting certain candidates.
00:17:34.900And in the Ontario and Toronto area, people that are very expert on, you know, reading Chinese media, looking at photographs, can see that the replacement of Paul Chien is very connected to the very same networks that are very friendly with the Chinese consulate and so-called community leaders with ties to Beijing and with ties I'm alleging and asserting with confidence, unfortunately, ties to organized crime.
00:18:03.660Well, it's so unbelievable that not just a liberal candidate, right?
00:18:07.840This person was an elected member of parliament.
00:18:18.260He has been part of Justin Trudeau's liberal caucus for the past four years, right?
00:18:22.200And it isn't until the middle of the election that it comes out that not only did he say this, you know, originally, Sam, I thought that maybe he had made the comments in a Chinese interview, like a Chinese language interview in one of those papers.
00:18:36.160And that's why it didn't make the press.
00:18:45.880And he's saying, you're making the joke and the room is laughing, that we should adhere to this ridiculous Chinese warrant.
00:18:53.580There's a Chinese communist government warrant out for the arrest of the conservative candidate.
00:18:57.880And he's saying, turn them over to one of these Chinese police stations.
00:19:01.680Just absolutely a disgraceful comment, unbecoming of an elected official.
00:19:05.920The fact that Paul, sorry, the fact that Mark Carney stuck by the candidate, didn't fire him, said, you know, he's apologized, let's move on.
00:19:15.440So they replaced Paul Chung with a candidate that might be even more extreme, Peter Yuan.
00:19:21.100And you've done some research to expose his connections with a Chinese international school that has been connected to Chinese election interference.
00:19:30.080I mean, both of these individuals are police officers in Canada.
00:19:33.880I think this might be the most troubling part, that these are both, both Paul Chung and Peter Yang were police officers in Canada before getting into politics.
00:19:45.920And then, of course, there is this video of this new liberal candidate singing my Chinese heart, a communist propaganda song, wearing his full police regalia.
00:19:57.820So in Canadian uniform, making a complete mockery of our country, of our uniform, of our system, praising a Chinese communist regime in a propaganda song.
00:20:07.680Let's play a bit of that clip so that viewers remember what that looked like.
00:20:11.220I mean, when I see this kind of thing, I just feel like Canada is a fallen country, that it is just an absolute farce at this point.
00:20:51.980But for experts with intelligence agency level knowledge like myself, you look at that video, and you know that the community association that hosts that gala event in 2017, along with the Chinese Consul General, who speaks to all the gathered politicians.
00:21:12.760politicians, I've reviewed the event, I've reviewed the Consul General report, a number of the politicians alleged by CSIS to be involved in Greater Toronto Election Interference Networks are there.
00:21:24.760This is what's called United Front Community Groups that work together with the Chinese Toronto Consulate to interfere in Canada.
00:21:32.120And so this police officer, Mr. Yuan, who there's no evidence that he's done anything wrong, but he is standing on stage, Candace, with a person that is investigated by the RCMP in alleged Chinese police station activity in Toronto and Vancouver.
00:21:51.320And for, you know, we don't need to name that person's name, but I've certainly done a lot of work on this community, community leader, others have, people could go on a video and find this, this fellow shaking hands with Xi Jinping at a high level United Front Work Department meeting in Beijing in 2019.
00:22:10.820All of this is known to the Canadian government, RCMP, CSIS, of course, it's known to our American counterparts.
00:22:17.780And here we have this elite Toronto police officer singing a patriotic ode, and the key message of the ode, I don't want to get too into the weeds, but it talks about how even though an individual lives far from China, they are still connected, you know, emotionally to China.
00:22:36.460And Candace, this is what China tries to instill in its United Front Networks around the world.
00:22:44.400This is what interference and diaspora repression is about.
00:22:49.960I believe there's so much more to know about that candidate and other current or former Canadian police officers.
00:22:58.140But by him joining the board of an international Chinese school, whose students, it came up in Hogue Commission testimony, could have been involved in, you know, one of the writings, and being tasked or threatened by the Chinese consulate officials.
00:23:16.720What does it say we're seeing all of them together, you know, all the actors together in these stories that I uncovered in the Globe and Mail follow my reporting?
00:23:26.960And what does it say we have Mr. Carney now favored by China?
00:23:31.660Like, you just can't add up too many examples before people say, yeah, is our country under threat, especially in this election?
00:23:53.520And I think part of what makes Canada a special and unique country is that it's always been a collection of people from different parts of the world.
00:24:00.720Like, being a Canadian doesn't mean you're any specific ethnicity or race.
00:24:04.620But it means that we've come together in a political association because we have shared values and shared beliefs.
00:24:11.600And I think that that is properly defined as pluralism, right?
00:24:14.560We all come together and we believe in one shared ideal of what it means to be Canadian.
00:24:19.420And then after that, you know, you can practice whatever religion, you can practice whatever kind of ethnic traditions that you have from different parts of the world.
00:24:28.880It doesn't matter what you look like, what your race is, what your ethnicity is.
00:24:32.080What matters is your belief in the Canadian ideal.
00:24:35.600Under Justin Trudeau and their official multiculturalism, they say everybody's allowed in and you don't have to change a thing about yourself.
00:24:42.160You can just come to Canada, continue living exactly how you lived in any other part of the world.
00:24:47.040Bring your values, bring your traditions, your values supersede our values.
00:24:50.580We don't even have any values in Canada.
00:24:52.520We don't even have any history or any tradition.
00:24:54.840The ones that we do are racist and genocidal.
00:24:57.220We're going to push that to a side and we're going to build something new.
00:25:00.160And that has been an absolute abjunct failure.
00:25:03.600And you can see that here where you have officials and people who are still clearly loyal to the communist Chinese government singing about their loyalty, saying that even though they're not in China, they still put China first.
00:25:48.580This is part of the reason why, Sam, I believe this is the most important election of our lifetime, because Canadians have to reject that ideology, that ideology of official multiculturalism, that Canada doesn't mean anything and that everyone else gets to come first.
00:26:01.360I think that I would like to hear Conservatives talk more about this, but I think it's just so important that we move beyond this idea that everybody else comes before Canada.
00:26:13.020And I think it's important that, especially when you're selecting candidates to represent you in office, that those people show a demonstrated commitment to Canada first.
00:26:49.160And it seemed, you know, I didn't want to question it for a long time, and I wouldn't need to question it unless we found ourself in this crisis point, where indeed foreign countries have used that system.
00:27:02.460Foreign intelligence agencies, Candice, here's the point.
00:27:05.680At these Chinese police stations, the RCMP says, these China is using funding from Heritage Canada and other entities to run, you know, intelligence operations where they welcome Chinese migrants in and gather intelligence off them using Canadian funding.
00:27:25.540So it's just concrete evidence that what started as sort of a good-hearted honor system to open ourselves to the world, and most people play by the rules, unfortunately, some of the worst and most dangerous networks in the world have taken advantage.
00:27:42.600And I do believe, I would put, my last word is, I would put blame on an elitist ideology that mostly is sitting in the Liberal Party that promote those sort of, you know, social messaging ideals that many of these wealthy and powerful people in private don't even believe in themselves.
00:28:07.340But they are promoting those ideologies, and they get a lot of people not to question them, because people are busy, they kind of trust that, you know, the upper elites have everyone's best interests in mind.
00:28:19.900And I could go on and on, but I do think in different ways, you, I, others are realizing, you know, I want to add this, not to get personal, but within, you know, my extended family, a lot of immigrants,
00:28:34.200and a lot of them, all of them, want Canada to be stronger and more cohesive, and they say this, they say, look, you've lost your way.
00:28:43.980Where I'm from in my country would look at Canada and say, you're a broken nation, and essentially countries like China are running all over you.
00:28:52.940Well, exactly, and I hope that Canadians are really starting to wake up to that.
00:28:57.120I don't know what more than, in the middle of an election campaign, our own national security officials admitting that China is meddling in our election, and our prime minister just shrugging his shoulders, saying, well, that's all I have to say about that.