Juno News - Pierre Poilievre on Trump’s tariff threat, border security, and cutting immigration

00:00:00.080 Trudeau said that they would issue retaliatory tariffs against the Americans.

00:00:03.760 So why is a conservative leader agreeing with basically a 25% liberal tax increase?

00:00:10.240 These tariff threats from the United States are utterly unjustified.

00:00:13.120 There is no justification for what Mr. President Trump is threatening on Canada.

00:00:17.280 What is your position on the right number in terms of the levels for permanent residency?

00:00:21.840 It would be a lot more like the Harper numbers that were the same basically for 40 years.

00:00:27.600 It's very simple. If you break our laws when you're here as a visitor, we kick you out.

00:00:32.320 I don't know how anybody can disagree with that.

00:00:34.320 What do you think the legacy of the Freedom Convoy was?

00:00:38.720 Well, I think that what I...

00:00:48.160 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:50.640 We have a very special episode for you today, folks.

00:00:53.440 We are in Ottawa in studio with none other than the leader of the opposition, Mr. Pierre Polyev.

00:00:59.440 Pierre, thank you so much for doing this.

00:01:00.800 Thank you very much for having me.

00:01:02.000 Okay, so I want to start by talking about Canada, talking about the Canada that has become over the

00:01:08.080 last nine years, specifically Justin Trudeau. So I want to ask you, Pierre, what is the worst thing

00:01:12.880 that Justin Trudeau has done to Canada?

00:01:14.480 Well, he broke its promise. There was a very simple promise in Canada

00:01:20.400 that you work hard. You get a great life. It doesn't matter where you come from. It matters

00:01:24.720 where you're going. It doesn't matter who you knew. It matters what you can do.

00:01:29.440 Your bloodlines, your birthplace, your background was irrelevant as long as you were able to put your

00:01:35.600 shoulder to the wheel and contribute something. And that meant you got a nice house. You could feed

00:01:41.520 your kids good, nutritious food. You'd have a powerful paycheck that you'd bring home.

00:01:47.040 That promise is broken after nine years of the carny Trudeau liberals. And now I think their main

00:01:53.680 objective will be to distract people, make people forget about the last nine years, to give them

00:01:59.200 another four. The worst thing about breaking this promise is politicians break promises all the time.

00:02:05.360 Usually they break their own promises, but this was not Justin Trudeau's promise to break. It was a

00:02:13.520 promise that belonged to all of us. And that is why it's so tragic that he's been able to break it.

00:02:18.960 But the good news is we can put the pieces back together. We need to get back to a common sense,

00:02:25.280 free enterprise country with low taxes and fast permits that allows people to work hard and achieve

00:02:31.920 great things and be honored as entrepreneurial heroes. That is the country that I grew up with

00:02:37.600 and that's what we're going to bring home. So what do you think Justin Trudeau's legacy will be

00:02:42.000 specifically? I think it'll be just that. He promised all these wonderful things for the middle class,

00:02:47.280 remember? And what did he give the middle class? He doubled their housing costs. Now there's not a

00:02:53.440 single middle class youth in Canada outside of a few small number of communities where they can afford

00:03:00.320 homes. If you're a middle class 25 year old in Toronto, there's no way you can afford a house.

00:03:06.080 That wasn't the case before Trudeau. People feel endangered in their streets. 50,000 people have

00:03:11.840 died of drug overdoses because of radical drug liberalization. And that is the consequence of

00:03:20.960 decisions made by government. The good news is because they're all self-inflicted problems,

00:03:26.720 we know how to fix them. We need to reverse the decisions that caused the problems in the first

00:03:30.720 place and we can do that. So you were one of the first people that I heard and definitely the loudest

00:03:35.120 voice warning about what you called just inflation or the consequences of printing money. You came on

00:03:41.360 my podcast back in 2021 and warned about it. So tell me here, how did you know, how do you predict

00:03:46.640 that that was going to happen and walk us through what exactly did happen with the printing of money?

00:03:50.480 Well, it's a very simple mathematical problem that we've known about for millennia. And it's the

00:03:58.880 correlation between the growth and the money supply as a share of GDP and the cost of things. And if you

00:04:06.880 look at Milton Friedman's amazing tomb, it's like a big brick of the monetary history of the United States. He

00:04:14.880 puts in graphs of countries around the world and he can show like a near perfect correlation between

00:04:22.240 the growth in the money supply per unit of economic output and the inflation rate. And so what happens

00:04:30.240 is you have the same number of goods and services, but more money chasing those goods and services,

00:04:35.360 you get inflation. So what I saw happening in 2020, 2021, 2022,

00:04:40.960 was that the central bank was buying government debt and effectively creating additional cash.

00:04:49.920 And the result was that our money supply grew by about $500 billion or about 30% during which time

00:04:58.480 the real output of our economy actually declined. So you had a lot more money buying a lot less goods.

00:05:04.880 And it stood to reason that that was going to result in inflation. All the central bankers,

00:05:10.480 including Mark Carney said, oh no, that's just simple thinking. Money printing doesn't cause

00:05:16.640 inflation. Well, of course it did. And then we spent the last two years, our middle working class

00:05:23.600 people spent the last year, two years suffering with this affliction. So this, the inflation is

00:05:29.280 actually just the symptom. The real disease is overspending. Governments don't print money for fun.

00:05:35.280 They print it so they can spend it. It's the sneakiest way to raise taxes without actually

00:05:41.120 holding a vote. It'd be like raising the GST three or four points. You'd get thrown out of office for

00:05:47.840 that. But if you just tell the central bank to do a bunch of backroom hocus pocus that no one can

00:05:51.920 understand, call it quantitative easing, you can sneak it under the radar. And that's what they did.

00:05:56.960 And so what I'm saying is stop the spending that's driving the money printing. You need to cut

00:06:03.440 bureaucracy, cut the consultants, cut foreign aid, cut back on corporate welfare of these checks we

00:06:09.440 give corporations when they should be raising their own money through free enterprise. And then you don't

00:06:15.760 have to print money and you can protect the purchasing power of your dollar.

00:06:18.480 It's frustrating because Milton Friedman wrote that book probably, I don't know, 60 or 70 years ago.

00:06:24.240 We knew that this was going to happen. You were warning about it. And yet governments all over the

00:06:28.240 world did it because everybody did it. There's inflation everywhere. And the liberal government

00:06:32.720 and Dustin Trudeau can say it's a global phenomenon. It has nothing to do with Canada. You got into some

00:06:38.240 heat at the time by the legacy media for saying that you would fire the governor of the Bank of Canada,

00:06:42.640 Tiff Macklin. Is that still your position or what else would you do to get money under control?

00:06:47.120 Well, there's a lot of things we need to do. First of all, let's start with this notion that it was a

00:06:55.120 global phenomenon. It was only a global phenomenon in countries that did money printing. Switzerland

00:07:00.640 did not. Switzerland is probably one of the most trade dependent countries in the world. If the

00:07:06.800 inflation was really the result of supply chains and just a contagion that was traveling everywhere

00:07:13.280 because of COVID, well then Switzerland would have had bad inflation, but they didn't. Why? Because

00:07:17.760 they didn't create cash. They had small deficits, which they eliminated quickly and they controlled

00:07:23.120 their money supply. As a result, inflation never went up above three and a half percent and then it

00:07:28.800 dropped below two percent almost immediately. Switzerland has really hard money. They have a lot of gold in

00:07:35.920 their vault and they, they do not create cash unnecessarily. And the Swiss have had actually

00:07:44.080 averaged inflation of 0.8% for the last 25 years, which means that in that period of time where we've

00:07:51.440 been more like two percent, our money has lost value 25% more of its value in purchasing the power than

00:07:59.200 theirs has. So what you need to do is be more like the Swiss control your money. Don't grow it faster 0.99

00:08:05.920 than you grow the stuff that money buys. The other thing is that I'm not talking right now with the

00:08:10.320 demand side where there's also the supply side. If, you know, if you have an economy with 10 apples and

00:08:16.240 $10, it's a buck an apple. You double the number of dollars to 20, you still have 10 apples. Well, now

00:08:20.720 it's $2 an apple. But if you do the opposite, which is to say you keep the $10, but you double the number

00:08:26.480 of apples you grow to 20. Now it's 50 cents an apple. So if we were to produce more energy,

00:08:32.160 grow more food, build more homes, then the, then we would actually reduce the cost of those things

00:08:38.160 because there'd be a greater supply. The way you do that is unleash the free enterprise system. We

00:08:42.720 should have fast permits for mining pipelines, uh, home building, uh, and any other construction

00:08:49.520 projects. We should cut taxes to reward production rather than raising them to punish it. That will

00:08:54.720 unleash the production of the things that make our lives more, uh, high quality, uh, and gain

00:09:01.920 purchasing power back for our people. And so what was specifically though,

00:09:05.680 what do you do to make things more affordable? So like we want sound money, we want to stop printing

00:09:10.880 money. Um, but how would you kind of go back to the things that are already become really expensive,

00:09:15.600 like groceries and gas? What would you do to, well, first of all, I think we need to, to get back to

00:09:21.280 a monetary policy where the bank of Canada does one thing, which is preserve purchasing power through

00:09:27.120 price stability, not, not creating cash for governments to spend. Um, taxes are also a

00:09:32.240 problem. We have, uh, these carbon taxes that go on fuel, which are then passed on through truckers

00:09:38.400 to everything that you buy. You know, if you got it, a truck bought it, brought it. And so if you tax

00:09:44.320 the truckers fuel, you're going to tax everything by getting rid of that tax, you can bring down the

00:09:49.360 shipping costs and the food costs, everything that you buy that requires energy. Um, and there's

00:09:56.800 a trick coming, a con job. Uh, Mark Carney has said that, you know, he, he has this long history of

00:10:02.960 supporting carbon taxes and pushing for them to be increased. He's going to pause the current carbon tax

00:10:09.520 to get through the two month election. And then if you, God forbid he wins, he'll bring back the,

00:10:14.960 a much bigger tax with no rebate at all. Uh, and that will be devastating for our economy. So if you

00:10:21.280 want an end to the carbon tax for good, for real, forever, then it's only the conservatives that will

00:10:27.200 deliver that. So there's a, there's a funny clip of you, Pierre, uh, sort of in the House of Commons with

00:10:32.800 Justin Trudeau. And he was sort of bragging that his liberal government had won three straight

00:10:37.200 elections on the issue of the carbon tax. He said, if you're so confident, why don't you

00:10:40.640 have a fourth? And at that point, we were sort of gearing up for an election based on this issue

00:10:46.000 of carbon taxes. I think the liberals are trying to neutralize it to your point. Um,

00:10:49.760 at least on the surface saying that they're going to walk away from the carbon tax too.

00:10:53.920 So do you, do you still think that we're heading to an election where the ballot box question will be

00:10:57.840 about cost of living and the carbon? I think it's even more important now. Um,

00:11:03.200 so let's talk about the carbon tax for a minute. There is no question Mark Carney will bring in a

00:11:08.080 newer and bigger carbon tax. He said so. He said he's going to replace the current tax with a new

00:11:14.320 tax that he wants to apply to Canadian industry. And when he was asked on CTV the other day, what if,

00:11:20.720 for example, a steel company passes the price on to consumers? He said, well, when was the last time

00:11:24.880 you needed steel for anything? Um, you need steel for everything. I mean, this building is held up by

00:11:31.360 steel. Automobiles are made of steel. Uh, your pots and pans have all kinds of metallic value that,

00:11:37.840 uh, that are, that will go up in price. Um, gym equipment, you name it, it's all got steel.

00:11:44.400 And so he's going to tax the very industries that Trump wants to tear up. The other thing I would

00:11:50.160 say is they're, they're liberal making this funny argument. They're saying, please forgive them

00:11:56.960 for all the economic damage they did, because we have to focus on the Trump tariffs.

00:12:01.680 The economic damage liberals did through taxes, debt and blocking resource projects was bad before

00:12:08.800 the tariffs. It's lethal after the tariffs. The fact that we're being, we're facing threats of these

00:12:15.280 unjustified tariffs now is another reason we can't afford to take a risk on the radical tax and spend

00:12:22.960 carny Trudeau liberal policies that failed over the last nine years. Okay. Because you mentioned

00:12:27.600 tariffs, I'm going to ask you this question. Uh, when, uh, Trudeau said that they would issue

00:12:32.640 retaliatory tariffs against the Americans, 25%, you came out in a basic agreement with that saying that

00:12:38.160 you would also support. So my question is a tariff that Canada imposes is really just a 25%

00:12:45.120 tax on the goods that we import. So it's a 25% tax on what Canadians pay for. So why is a conservative

00:12:51.920 leader agreeing with basically a 25% liberal tax increase?

00:12:57.120 Well, I don't agree with any liberal tax increase of any kind ever. But I do believe that if a foreign 1.00

00:13:03.520 government attacks Canadian industry that we have to retaliate, that is the only tool we have to deter.

00:13:09.520 These tariff threats from the United States are utterly unjustified. There is no justification for what

00:13:14.240 Mr. President Trump is threatening on Canada. Um, and, uh, you know, they have their grievances about

00:13:20.480 border and military. We have grievances with them about softwood lumber and buy America. Uh, that

00:13:25.840 doesn't justify a trade war. So what I've said is that whatever tariffs we collect on incoming American

00:13:32.480 goods should be given directly to the affected industries and whatever surpluses left over should

00:13:37.840 be used for tax cuts that would mitigate and try to neutralize the cost that Canadians would face from

00:13:45.120 paying tariffs on incoming products. There's no question tariffs are taxes. Uh, that's why they're bad.

00:13:53.120 But, um, we have to defend our country and our industrial base if it comes under unfair and unprovoked

00:13:58.800 attack by a foreign government and cut other taxes to neutralize the effect of that unfortunate but necessary

00:14:05.920 action. You were up in Iqaluit earlier this week announcing your Canada first plan with regards

00:14:11.360 to increasing military spending. So would your goal be to raise Canada's military as a percentage of our

00:14:17.360 GDP to 2%? Yes, it is a goal. I will say though, I've never believed in any part of the government

00:14:24.080 that we should judge our success by how expensive we could be. Like, it's a funny, it's only in government

00:14:28.320 that we, we have this funny, this funny formula where we say our program, you know, my healthcare program

00:14:33.520 has more billions than your healthcare program, therefore it must be the best healthcare program

00:14:37.760 in the history of, of healthcare. Um, and then you find out that, you know, a billion dollars was

00:14:44.000 wasted on a contract to a sleazy consultant, uh, under the, uh, the, the, the guise of this or that public

00:14:50.720 policy objective. I would rather, um, yes, increase funding for the things we value like healthcare

00:14:58.080 and military, but I would rather judge our success by what we deliver. I would rather judge, for example,

00:15:03.760 in healthcare, how, how much we shorten wait times, how much we improve, how many Canadians get an extra

00:15:08.240 family doctor on military, judge by how much territory we've protected by opening new base in the north

00:15:14.080 or by, uh, securing, um, our waters with new ice breakers or by delivering the best, uh, arms and kit

00:15:22.160 to our soldiers or the best quality of life to military families. That's how we should judge our

00:15:27.440 success. You know, during the, the, uh, the Afghan war, we probably did more pound for pound than any

00:15:34.880 country, save the U S and possibly the UK, even though we were spending a lower share of our GDP

00:15:41.360 on military than many of the European countries who parked themselves safely in Kabul, where the vow

00:15:46.800 that the fighting wasn't happening. If you had gone to the Pentagon at the time and said,

00:15:50.880 which would you rather have? Would you rather have Canadians who are actually tearing apart 1.00

00:15:55.840 Al Qaeda in Kandahar province or would you, but, but spend 1%, 1.3% of GDP, or would you rather have

00:16:03.360 us spend 2% of GDP and park in Kabul and let someone else do the real fighting like the other Europeans? 0.99

00:16:08.240 I think the, in 10 times out of 10 American generals at that time would have said, we would rather have

00:16:13.520 you fighting on the front lines doing stuff. So let's measure government actions by what they achieve,

00:16:18.800 not just by what they cost. Well, I love your Afghanistan example. And, uh, people may know,

00:16:23.760 I mean, the organization that we're launching is called Juno news. It's named after Juno beach,

00:16:27.840 the old blaze of Normandy. There were five beaches that were stormed that day. The Canadians had one,

00:16:32.400 the Brits had two, the Americans had two, and the Canadians made the greatest gains that day.

00:16:37.440 And so it is, uh, homage to the fact that Canadians punch above our weight, uh, militarily in the last. 0.74

00:16:43.360 And that is a big part of our legacy. We always have. And, um, you know, I can hit 2%,

00:16:47.760 I could hit 2% tomorrow if I, uh, were to do what Justin Trudeau did, which is have a gigantic

00:16:53.600 boondoggle on the F 35s. You could blow a billions of dollars on a boondoggle and that would bring your 0.52

00:16:59.200 defense spending up, but not your capabilities up. So I just, once again, say our focus should be,

00:17:05.520 let's reduce the back office bureaucracy, the procurement boondoggles, and let's deliver more

00:17:13.360 war fighting capability for the best possible price to taxpayers and the highest quality of

00:17:18.960 life for our men and women in uniform. That's excellent. Okay. I want to talk

00:17:22.160 a little bit about the election, the upcoming election, because I think a lot of Canadians were

00:17:25.520 expecting it to happen in October, 2025. Of course, uh, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said in December that he

00:17:31.920 was going to pull the plug on parliament as soon as it resumes. Um, but here we are in this precarious

00:17:35.920 situation where parliament's been probed. We don't really have, we don't know who the next prime

00:17:40.000 minister will be, uh, presumably Mark Carney, but possibly Chrysia Freeland. Uh, so again, I just want

00:17:46.240 to know, when do you think the election will be and are you ready for an election? We are ready. I

00:17:50.400 think it will happen quickly. I think Mr. Carney wants to avoid scrutiny. He wants to run during a

00:17:54.720 honeymoon and, uh, the, the legacy media to protect him from any kind of tough questions or scrutiny.

00:18:00.400 Uh, whether it is about the advice he gave Trudeau that tanked our economy over the last five years,

00:18:07.120 uh, whether it is about, um, him moving his company headquarters to New York, uh, only a few months ago,

00:18:13.840 uh, when that's exactly what president Trump wants, uh, whether it's about, uh, him opposing Canadian

00:18:21.520 pipelines while buying pipelines in the Middle East, uh, or opposing Canadian energy while investing in

00:18:28.480 American coal. Those are all highly hypocritical things that Mark Carney does not want explored.

00:18:34.480 And so I think you'll want a quick election to avoid any scrutiny. I think it is important we

00:18:39.760 do get a quick election, but let's not mistaken. The real reason why Carney wants that it is to avoid

00:18:45.120 any scrutiny and to have the liberal establishment, the liberal media, basically rubber stamp him as

00:18:51.680 prime minister so that he can go on carrying out the same policies that have destroyed our economy,

00:18:57.440 doubled our debt and housing costs after nine years of, uh, the liberals.

00:19:01.680 Well, you mentioned the legacy media, the liberal media, uh, does it concern you going into an election

00:19:06.080 that you, uh, you've been outspoken. You've said that you are going to defund the CBC. I believe

00:19:10.240 that you said that you're going to remove the $600 million newspaper fund that Trudeau created to fund

00:19:15.760 the legacy newspapers as well. Does that concern you that, uh, the media is just not going to give

00:19:20.160 you a fair shake? Well, the traditional mainstream media has always been totally liberal. I mean,

00:19:26.560 there's a few exceptions, but by and large, they, uh, they will just regurgitate whatever

00:19:31.680 the Carney Trudeau liberals say. Uh, and, uh, in all of the last, all the last six or seven elections,

00:19:38.960 they have campaigned almost openly for the liberals. So I would not expect it to be any different this time.

00:19:45.200 And so just to clarify, would you get rid of that $600 million newspaper fund that Trudeau gave to,

00:19:51.280 to newspapers? We are going to be cutting back on that year. We will have to wait for our platform

00:19:55.120 to get the details. Okay. Because we're, we have to deep, deep politicize news media, um, finance,

00:20:01.440 because right now what happens is that there are subsidies that go to favored media outlets

00:20:06.960 that CRA designates, uh, and then there's fund, not funding for others. So, and then of course,

00:20:14.000 the worst example is CBC, which gets this enormous subsidy to do largely what Canadians can get

00:20:20.560 elsewhere. They get Canadians can get digital media, uh, video graphical media anywhere else.

00:20:27.120 And yet they're paying a billion plus dollars for CBC to do that. So I think those are examples of where

00:20:34.560 we need to cut and we need to defund the CBC, uh, and have an independent self-supporting media

00:20:42.000 that can keep Canadians informed. Well, there is a growing ecosystem of independent creators,

00:20:46.640 independent journalists, citizen journalists, uh, that you see popping up all over social media.

00:20:50.800 And so I wonder if you form government, the parliamentary press gallery is like an insiders

00:20:55.600 group. They don't want to give access to people who don't work for legacy media. What would your policy

00:20:59.920 be around allowing access to your government or to you personally for independent media?

00:21:04.800 Absolutely. I think their independent media should be allowed in the, on the precinct. There's no

00:21:09.280 reason why it should be a small cabal of government approved, um, mouthpieces. Uh, it is highly

00:21:16.480 undemocratic. I've always believed that. And it's made particularly difficult for me because it means

00:21:21.840 that only when I go and hold a press conference, it's just liberal media who are there to attend.

00:21:27.520 And it's, uh, but practically speaking, I, I'm in the precinct, I'm on parliament hill. I have to hold

00:21:33.360 a press conference to get my message out. I would love to see a plus scenario where every, uh, different

00:21:39.280 kind of journalists from all backgrounds of all opinions is given a chance to report on what

00:21:43.840 happens on the hill. Well, cause we, you know what happens, right? Like all these press galleries

00:21:47.760 are like 50% CBC journalists and they sort of set the tone, they set the priority, they get the questions.

00:21:53.040 And so they're always pushing in one direction. And it means, I mean, there's a huge opportunity.

00:21:58.160 This is why we launched Juneau news because so many Canadians just don't feel represented at all

00:22:03.040 by the media and the questions they represent. It was three years ago that the freedom convoy was

00:22:07.200 here in Ottawa, just right outside, um, this building. And I think that that was one of the

00:22:11.520 things that they were saying that the, the, the, the policy and the people in the city weren't

00:22:15.200 representing what they believed. I wonder like what, what do you think the legacy of the freedom convoy was?

00:22:20.240 Well, I think that what I, I, I supported those people who lawfully protested because I believe

00:22:28.320 that they, most of them just wanted their jobs back. The reason they were spending the time

00:22:33.040 on parliament hill was just that they, they couldn't go back to work. And, um, I think if the

00:22:38.080 prime minister had gone out and talked to them, I actually think that most of them would have just

00:22:42.400 would have gone on with their lives. But, um, I think it was a very divisive and unfortunate

00:22:47.360 approach that he took call name calling, denouncing them and, uh, treating them like they were not

00:22:54.640 Canadians. Um, and I think it's a good reminder that when a prime minister disagrees with a protest,

00:23:02.800 he still has to remember that the people who are attending the protest are Canadians. They have

00:23:08.240 the right to, to express themselves and they deserve dignity and respect. And I think if that had

00:23:15.280 happened, then we would not have, would not have dragged on so long. And I, you know, I look at the

00:23:20.480 Hamas riots that we're seeing in our streets, far more violent than, you know, uh, we're seeing,

00:23:26.240 you know, uh, fire bombings and, uh, bullets going into Jewish schools, you know, and I, I think to

00:23:36.160 myself, you know, it was supposedly a national emergency, uh, worthy of suspending civil liberties

00:23:44.480 that there were trucks parked in front of the parliament building, but it's not an emergency

00:23:50.480 when bullets are flying into children's schools or synagogues are being firebombed.

00:23:54.800 Uh, and that is a very strange irony to me. Well, I'm glad you brought up immigration. So you 0.98

00:24:00.800 recently announced that people who are participating in those rallies, people who engage in violence and

00:24:06.400 hate crimes, uh, will, will lose their status. If they're here temporarily on a student visa or temporary

00:24:11.600 visa, you would suspend the visa and deport them. So can you walk us through what that would look like?

00:24:16.560 Well, uh, it's very simple. If you break our laws while you're here as a visitor, you go,

00:24:20.880 we kick you out. It's, I don't, I don't know how anybody can disagree with that. If someone shows up

00:24:25.680 in our country claiming to be a student or a temporary worker, and they start firebombing coffee

00:24:31.280 shops, bakeries, synagogues, uh, or any other, uh, place, then they need to be immediately arrested 1.00

00:24:38.320 and they need to be deported. Um, if someone is obvious, it's obviously a citizen, they, they should 1.00

00:24:43.520 be prosecuted through our legal system and put in prison here in Canada for those sorts of crimes.

00:24:48.560 Um, but, uh, there's no excuse for keeping people in this country who are visitors here 1.00

00:24:55.280 on a temporary visa or permit if they're breaking our laws.

00:24:59.040 What, what about people who are here illegally? What about people who have entered the country 1.00

00:25:02.960 illegally or who have come to the country, applied for asylum claim, had that, uh, rejected,

00:25:08.800 but remain in Canada? Would you deport those people?

00:25:11.360 Yes. I mean, that's, that's supposed to be the policy right now. I mean, the, the, if someone comes

00:25:15.760 in, makes a false asylum claim, it gets rejected. They're supposed to leave today. The, the, the challenge

00:25:22.400 that we're going to face is that under nine years of the Carney Trudeau Liberals open border policies,

00:25:28.960 they have, we have now millions of people whose permits are going to expire over the next sort of two years.

00:25:35.600 And if they don't leave, we have a very hard time, first of all, even knowing they're still here,

00:25:43.440 finding them and then carrying out a deportation. Um, there are some among them that we do want to keep.

00:25:49.680 They could be a master's graduate in, in computer engineering that has a six figure job in Kitchener-Waterloo,

00:25:56.080 started a family, integrated, speaks the language, uh, this is someone we want to keep.

00:26:00.720 But we need to be able to make that decision ourselves through a selection based on the,

00:26:07.760 these criteria, not just by accident, because people who are not eligible to stay decide they're

00:26:13.840 not going to leave. Uh, one of the other things that's happening in the states right now in the

00:26:18.000 new administration is that, uh, President Trump has been serious about deportations. And, uh, a couple

00:26:24.000 weeks ago we had Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying that if he were the Canadians, he'd be concerned

00:26:28.880 that a lot of the bad people that are in the United States might not right now might try to sneak up

00:26:32.960 into Canada. This happened last time Trump was president, Mr. Trump was president, where we had,

00:26:37.520 uh, people crossing illegally through rocks and road, thousands and thousands and thousands.

00:26:41.760 And it was disgraceful. I went there myself, Pierre, and I couldn't believe it. You had CBSA

00:26:46.480 officers acting like bellhops, lifting their suitcases, putting them into buses, taking them to

00:26:51.200 Toronto or Montreal, their choice. They got to choose, uh, where they would go. So we were sort of

00:26:54.880 facilitating illegal entry into our country. Uh, I, I believe Roxham Road has been closed,

00:27:00.080 but I'm sure that happens in other places. I'm wondering, uh, what would you do to stop

00:27:04.960 bad people, uh, that are about to be deported from the United States from just walking across into Canada?

00:27:10.240 Well, we have, they, they closed Roxham Road 30 days after I issued an ultimatum to Justin Trudeau that

00:27:15.840 he had to close it, um, or that we would move on non-confidence. And so he, he actually met my

00:27:21.520 ultimatum and closed it, which proved that what they had been saying before was all a lie. They

00:27:25.360 claimed they had no way of closing it. Well, of course they had a way of closing. They didn't

00:27:28.800 want to. Um, we have, we're a nation with borders and we have the ability to seal our borders against

00:27:35.440 illegal crossers and to block people from coming in. And those that get onto our soil, what you need 1.00

00:27:42.640 to do is just, um, do a last in first out refugee review of their claim. And this is how it works.

00:27:49.520 If you're the last person into the country, then you immediately have your claim heard,

00:27:55.600 which means that within a couple of weeks, if your claim is false, you're sent back.

00:28:01.040 What that does is it sends the signal to everyone who might come in the future that

00:28:09.440 they're going to be sent home all automatically. The problem right now is that if someone gets any

00:28:13.680 legally, they then, and even if they're not, they're not a real refugee, they're not fleeing danger.

00:28:18.800 They have seven or eight years of appeals, appeals, appeals during which we're paying

00:28:24.080 for hotels and lawyers and food and healthcare above and beyond what Canadians get.

00:28:30.720 So that then attracts more people to say, Oh, Hey, if I get to Canada, even though I'm not a real

00:28:34.960 refugee, I can get into the country and I'll be bounced around in the system at someone else's

00:28:39.360 expense forever. Um, if we solve that problem, the message would go out very quickly that Canada is

00:28:45.600 not a place to come to make a false or fraudulent claim. Uh, and I believe you would see a very real

00:28:51.760 reduction in the people, the number of people who even tried to come. I have a lot of sympathy for

00:28:56.240 real refugees. My wife is a refugee. This has been a wonderful refuge for people who genuinely have

00:29:01.440 claims. And that still will be the case when I'm prime minister, but we can't take in fraudulent

00:29:06.320 fake claimants and pay their bills for seven years while they work the system.

00:29:09.840 Okay. One more question on immigration. So Justin Trudeau and his government

00:29:13.280 dramatically increased the number of legal permanent residents to Canada. So I think that

00:29:18.240 average during the Harper years was about 250,000. 2025 were up to 500,000. I think that there's a,

00:29:24.000 well, even Justin Trudeau himself admitted that they let in too many people too fast and it had a

00:29:27.760 wonky impact on housing market and everything else. Uh, what is, what is your position on the right

00:29:32.320 number in terms of the levels for permanent residents?

00:29:35.440 It would be a lot more like the Harper numbers that were the same basically for 40 years before

00:29:42.480 Trudeau took office. We were bringing in about 200,000, 250,000 a year in, in citizens. And that

00:29:50.320 was, we were more than able to house those numbers because we were building about the same number of

00:29:54.560 homes as we were adding people. Um, so we had a housing surplus at the time. Um, what I would do is

00:30:01.760 bring in a simple mathematical formula that says we cannot bring in people faster than we add houses.

00:30:08.320 And you basically take home building in the prior year to set the population growth numbers in the

00:30:15.040 next year. Um, and you have, you guarantee, in fact, you, I, I would, I would actually make sure

00:30:21.120 that we're building surpluses of housing into each of the next four years, because that's how we close

00:30:26.640 the gap that we, that is built up under Trudeau. One of the other things, uh, we, we talk about a

00:30:31.840 little bit, um, is crime. I know that you talked about how you want to put life sentences on fentanyl

00:30:37.760 dealers or the king, kingpins in the drug war. Uh, what about immigrants who are caught on drug

00:30:43.120 charges? Do you think they should be deported? When you say immigrants, you mean people who are 1.00

00:30:47.200 citizens or permanent residents? People who don't have their citizenship yet. I, I don't think anyone here 1.00

00:30:51.120 is here on a temporary visa of any kind who's caught breaking our laws should be allowed to stay.

00:30:57.520 It's that simple. Any laws, any other than a parking ticket. Like if, if you come to Canada

00:31:03.040 and you're caught selling and you're not a citizen or permanent resident, you're selling drugs,

00:31:07.920 you're doing violence, you're doing a fraud, a car theft, you got to go. Well, one of the things

00:31:14.240 you pointed out in a recent video that was talking about this fentanyl thing was that the Trudeau

00:31:17.840 government through Bill C-5 eliminated the mandatory minimums. And because there aren't minimum

00:31:22.720 sentences for a lot of these crimes, you do end up having immigrants that get caught with like 1.00

00:31:26.480 illegal guns or something like that. And they don't get deported because there's no minimum sentence. So,

00:31:31.360 would you put back those mandatory minimums? Yes. Yeah. And, uh, and to be clear for people

00:31:36.320 who are permanent residents and citizens, we're not, we're not going to obviously deport to permanent

00:31:40.480 residents and citizens, but they will do very serious jail time under my new plans. So, um,

00:31:47.120 to put it into perspective, it takes only two milligrams of fentanyl to kill someone.

00:31:52.000 Um, there was a recent super lab that was, uh, busted in, uh, British Columbia about a month ago,

00:31:59.680 and they were, they had produced enough fentanyl or had enough fentanyl ingredients to kill 95

00:32:06.400 million people. That is to say, kill every Canadian more than twice. So these are large scale mass murder 0.55

00:32:14.160 operations. Fentanyl kills far more people than homicide. So when you are selling lots of fentanyl,

00:32:21.200 you're like spraying bullets into a crowd. You might not know who you're killing, but you're killing

00:32:25.200 someone. So you should go to jail for life. Um, anyone who's caught trafficking more than 40 0.96

00:32:31.360 milligrams will get a life sentence between 20 and 40 will be 15 year sentence. Those will be mandatory

00:32:38.240 minimums. One of the remarkable things in a negative way that's happened recently

00:32:43.120 is just the level of crime specifically in the city of Toronto. Like I can't tell you how many

00:32:47.360 times, like it's shocking to me that there are carjackings in Canada where gunned people will

00:32:52.960 come and force you out of your car. Even sometimes when there's kids in the car or so many people I

00:32:57.440 talk to in Toronto are really worried about home invasions, people breaking into their house in the

00:33:01.280 all night. You had a police, uh, representative tell Canadians to just leave their keys near the

00:33:06.400 front door. So if someone broke in, the thief could just take the car and they wouldn't bother

00:33:11.120 you in the house. Um, like what, what's happened in Canada? Like, how is this the case? What would you

00:33:15.760 do to make Canadians feel safer and to, to, to get rid of a lot of this really heinous crime that's

00:33:20.320 happening in Canada? Um, well, these people have to go to jail. Like the problem is right now,

00:33:24.880 if you do a carjacking, you get arrested, you'll be back out on the street in a couple of hours.

00:33:29.040 And Canadian police officers tell me they arrest the same offender often three times in the same

00:33:35.040 day. Um, and why he's in, he's released on bail. The officer's not even done doing the paperwork

00:33:41.440 on the arrest and the offenders already back out on the street doing a new offense. So

00:33:45.680 the good news is we actually don't have a lot of criminals in Canada. The bad news is they're

00:33:50.160 extremely productive. Um, they can, they do a phenomenal amount of crime. Um, and there's one guy

00:33:57.280 in Penticton, his name is Levi and the police tell me when he's out of jail, he does so much crime.

00:34:04.000 The crime rate for the entire city of Penticton goes up. Like you can say, you know, for this month,

00:34:09.440 Levi was out of jail and you can see a spike in crime. Um, one guy, it's just insane. So what you

00:34:16.880 need is mandatory, not only mandatory prison for convicts, but you need to make it so that repeat

00:34:22.800 offenders are ineligible for bail once they're arrested again. And, uh, that would automatically

00:34:29.040 take, like the 40 offenders in Vancouver got arrested 6,000 times. So imagine if they just

00:34:34.400 stayed in jail, you'd have 6,000 fewer crimes. It's a very simple cause and effect. So jail,

00:34:40.640 not bail is one of our, our principles. Well, I think that's a really good one. Okay,

00:34:44.240 Pierre, thank you so much for your time. We really, really appreciate it. We're going to wrap up the

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00:34:52.080 though. I have one more question that I want to ask Mr. Polyev. It's a good question. So if you want

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Juno News - February 14, 2025

Pierre Poilievre on Trump’s tariff threat, border security, and cutting immigration

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