Pierre Poilievre pitches Canada on Joe Rogan's podcast
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Summary
Former Conservative MP Michelle Ferreri joins us to talk about her time on the Joe Rogan Podcast and why she thinks he's the best podcaster in the world. We also talk about Pierre Polyev's early interest in politics, the viral apple eating interview, and why the Tories lost the election.
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Well, Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev was a guest on the Joe Rogan podcast,
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the most popular podcast in Canada. The show was released at 1 p.m. today and immediately
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drew hundreds of thousands of views. Polyev said he did the podcast to sell Americans on the idea
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of a tariff-free trade agreement between the two countries. The two and a half hour discussion hit
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on a wide variety of topics, including Polyev's early interest in politics, to the viral apple
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eating interview, to the reason why the Conservatives lost the last election. Our guest is former
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Conservative MP Michelle Ferreri. Welcome, Michelle. Hey, Mark. How are you doing? I'm great. Good.
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You watched at least some of it. I know that. What did you think? Yeah, I think I almost got
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to the end um listen i i'm a huge joe rogan fan uh i i think joe rogan has what the world needs
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more of which is natural curiosity and i think what he does and like i love this because john
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stewart um there was a clip of john stewart floating around for those of you liberals who
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who want to go at me for this john stewart obviously you know interviewed uh christia
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freeland and i believe mark carney too and he said rogan is great because he has what the world
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needs, which is curiosity, but also he has, um, the ability to interview everybody of all stripes,
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right? I mean, he's had Bernie Sanders on, he's had all of these people on and Joe really tries
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to speak for the people. He's not really into the politicians and he tries to call them out.
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So I think it was, um, I think it was good, but the real benefit that Joe does is they're such
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long form interviews. They're usually, you know, two to three hours. So if you're not used to a
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Joe Rogan podcast, it could feel overwhelming. But if you're somebody who watches regularly,
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he really pulls out who the person is and you get to see who they are and I think people did get to
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see a side of Pierre that they otherwise maybe have never seen before. Yeah I think the fact
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that you like Joe Rogan might surprise some lefties who say well this is not going to move the needle
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with women voters at all you know this is just going to be more of that bro relationship that
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he already has in the bag. I mean, have you heard that argument by some of the left-wingers?
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Oh, listen, the left-wing people are going to be mad, like the radical people who aren't,
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you know, open to ideas. They're just going to be mad regardless. And, you know, one guy said
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in my comment section, they're like, Joe Rogan's an effing idiot. And I said, he's literally the
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number one podcaster in the world. You might not like him, but to call him an idiot actually makes
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you look like an idiot. And so if you have the ability to go onto a platform to speak to the
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world about the country that you want to represent, why in the world would you not do that? And so
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it's great. And for everybody who thinks that Joe Rogan is this crazy alt-right person,
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they're absolutely wrong. I mean, in the podcast, when you watch it, Joe actually starts to demonize
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the oil sands in Alberta and Pierre has to set him straight. And so, so, and Joe has said this
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full stop, like he was more on the left side or the democratic side of, of politics forever.
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And, you know, they left him and they became woke and they became radicals and they became this,
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this, this group of people that you couldn't have a conversation with. And again, I go back to this
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because I think it's really important and where we need to go back to his society is curiosity.
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and that's why Joe Rogan has been so successful because he doesn't do short form he doesn't do
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clickbait he has these long form interviews that give you the whole story and this is what he said
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about Kamala Harris right he tried to have Kamala Harris on during the United States election and
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she wouldn't come on and if I was Mark Carney I would absolutely be going down and doing Joe
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Rogan as well yeah I mean it's it's amazing what he's done with that podcast he's revolutionized
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media in many respects yes and uh because he talks about everything mark he won't to these
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30 second tiktok videos but let's check out some of the clips from this interview starting off with
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why he decided that now was the time to do this let's listen i'm glad we finally did this yes me
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too i wanted to do it the first go around yeah i know uh well when i got the invitation we were
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in the middle of the election and we just don't leave the country during election campaigns i get
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And the problem we've had is we can't get you to come to Canada.
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And so we've actually hatched a full strategy to get you into Canada
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because we think it's going to do big things for our tourism numbers.
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So do you mind if I present you with something right out of the gate?
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This is from a gunsmith and machinist in Calgary, Alberta.
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But most important of all, we've got a subliminal message,
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Every time you do a kettlebell swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean, you're going to be seeing that maple leaf, and you're going to be reminding yourself that you need to come back to Canada.
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Okay, so some people are surprised that he knows as much as he does, being here, Polly, about things like weight training and MMA.
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By the way, it's hardly subliminal with the maple leaf.
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That's like, you know, it's not like a flash frame going.
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by. What did you think of that? I mean, to me, it's nice to see Pierre Polyev in a relaxed
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environment. You know him better than most because you were in the same party as him.
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Is that the way he is normally? That's exactly who Pierre is. And what I loved about that is you
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actually got to see Pierre's hyper focus on something he cares about. So he like went on
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almost to an uncomfortable point of talking about the history of the kettlebell. And you're like,
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okay let's move on Pierre but that's actually who he is he's he hyper focuses on facts and history
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and data I've always joked he may not like when I say this but data is Pierre's love language but
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he's very very passionate about health and fitness and wellness and he knew that going in and he knew
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that Joe Rogan and him had to find a common thread yes politics was going to be on the table for
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discussion but what's going to connect us as people to keep a three-hour conversation going
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Now, I will say with full transparency, and I did this last night, I had a prediction that they were going to talk about MMA and all of this stuff, because I know Pierre loves it. And for the, you know, GTA soccer mom, like it might have been a little heavy on the MMA, they might have tuned out. But I think it was, it really showed what Pierre cares about and actually just building a relationship with the largest podcaster in the world.
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And I think that that's beneficial. And all while he weaved in what he can do for Canada, what Canada can do for America and what America can do for Canada.
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Let's listen to another one. This is Rogan and Polly talking about the convoy crackdown. Let's listen.
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Like every time I would go up there, I'm like, people are so nice.
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And I think that's part of what went wrong for Canada is that people are rule followers
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and, you know, they're trusting and kind people.
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And, you know, this wolf in sheep's clothing snuck in and, you know, was pretending he
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was a sweet guy and passing all these crazy laws.
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And just when we saw what happened with COVID, with just what happened with the truckers,
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and people's accounts getting shut down for donating to the truckers like the whole thing
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was so concerning your thoughts about that well joe is exactly right it was insanity
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um and joe's been a big proponent of canada and he's talked about this at great length and so
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again i think it gives a lot of canadians especially with the recent liberals um insane
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appeal again in the final hour of the federal court of appeal of invoking the emergencies act
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that was ruled illegal by the liberals you know i think you know it gives a lot of people validation
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like okay yeah i wasn't crazy to think that my government was overreaching and way was way over
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uh overreaching for that so i think it's great i i don't know um i don't know what else to say
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other than i think this was a really smart decision and i think people who are going to
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dismiss it like what about when mark mark carney and christia freeland went on bill maher and john
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steward and uh the other guy what's his name colbert you know like why wouldn't you want to
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talk about your country and promote it but will it move the needle for women voters i mean that's
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the one thing that the lefties have pushed on as i mentioned i mean you're a woman uh
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male friends will come around or or not listen i think uh right now the only thing you're
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going to see when you turn on x or social media is clips of pierre polyev on joe rogan and that's
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a win that's a win and so whether you care about the whole interview whether you watch it or not
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people are talking about it and that moves a needle because marketing 101 when your eye is
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on whatever product that is and people are talking about it you're in people's minds and i always
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think that's a great win and it is dominating the news cycle and i think it's great
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Some people said that it showed him in a more humble light that he in fact has humility.
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This was from the lefties, and they said they were a little surprised by that.
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I think he could have went way harder that, I mean, a lot of us know that very assertive
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aggressive pierre when he's fighting for for the little guy and he was very diplomatic i would use
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that word he was quite uh diplomatic in a lot of his responses one key response he said that i'm
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sure we'll get a ton of headlines is when he said i will not criticize the prime minister on foreign
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soil and you know joe rogan goes that's very canadian of you you know you're so nice you're
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so polite. And, you know, I think it, I actually, you know, one person sent me a little gif of a
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person with a big needle of hope going into them. Cause I think this podcast gives a little bit of
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pep and step to everybody again of like, you know what? Canada is number one, amazing. Even though
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our problems are serious and bad, we are united together when, and Pierre went and did that on
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Joe Rogan. Like, yes, we fight it here. And yes, things are bad. And there's a lot of policies we
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have to change. But the way he presented himself on Joe Rogan is Canada is amazing. And I think
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that's really valuable to anyone who's Canadian. Because I often say this about Donald Trump,
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the one thing he should do more than anything is unite us as a country to be like, we're proud
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Canadians. Yeah, he didn't go down and bash Canada. He went down there to South Canada,
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not to bash canada that's right let's listen to another clip i think this is one the one where
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he's talking about the famous apple eating video oh yeah one of the great interviews that i loved
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about you you were eating an apple and you were talking to this guy who was being completely
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ridiculous you were asking him to define the the issues that he had and it was so funny it was like
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this is what happens when a rational person meets a person with empty narratives it was such a weird
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moment because you just kept eating that apple it was such a it was such a good apple it was so
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good that's the thing and the thing is i didn't even realize i was being taped i thought it was
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a print interview oh that's hilarious that's why i think i was so relaxed uh but so i'm in the most
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beautiful place in the world if you ever if you haven't been at the okanagan it's unbelievable
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like it's lakes it's mountains it's nice dry weather and there's orchards and vineyards there
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like you'd love it and so i'm in an apple orchard and i'm walking around just talking with people
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and my staff says this reporter wants to do an interview and i'm enjoying the apple he comes up
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starts asking questions nobody was there thought this was a moment like we thought nothing of it
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we dumped the whole thing my my staff unbeknownst to me was recording my whole walk we dumped this
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50-minute video on the internet no one noticed it and like three weeks later my phone blows up and
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people say hey how about that apple i'm what is he what are they talking about this apple thing
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And then, you know, within three days, everybody's talking to me about this damn apple that I had almost forgotten about eating.
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Well, that conversation sort of embodied this issue.
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Because you have rational thinking and empty narratives colliding while you're eating an apple.
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Like, you're so casual about it, you're actually eating an apple, which was so perfect.
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I mean, you couldn't, if you planned on, like, if you had a PR team, I think you should be eating an apple.
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So he's casual, he's eating fruit, it's healthy, you know?
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Like, out of nowhere, not planned, and not even noticed.
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Like I said, no one there thought this was going to be a moment.
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And we were like, how come that guy's not the prime minister?
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Well, in the meantime, you can buy Ambrosio apples from the South Okanagan.
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I'm really plugging a lot of sales for the Canadian economy today.
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Okay, so that video put Pierre Polyev on the map south of the border and probably got Joe's attention to the point where he wanted to have Polyev on his podcast, which is saying something.
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I mean, Americans, they don't know a whole lot about Canada.
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They probably couldn't name the prime minister.
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So the idea that the top podcast in the world wants to get the leader of the opposition on, that's saying something.
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that was a great exchange. What did you think? I think it's a really great exchange. What you
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see in that exchange, like I was smiling the whole time, energy is transferable and Joe doesn't have
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an agenda. Joe doesn't have an agenda to get a gotcha moment from Pierre. He doesn't have this
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agenda of you are this or you are that, which is what we see so often in media. If you think about
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a CBC clip with Rosemary Barton and Pierre, like Pierre's guarded because these people are
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constantly attacking him. They're constantly trying to get a gotcha moment. And so this is
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a totally different format. And there's a comfortable level there of two people just
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having a conversation about a moment. And I love it because it reminds me of when I talked to Pierre
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about that Apple video. And I remember him saying to me, like, why do you think it went so viral?
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like he was he was genuinely dumbfounded when it did and so to see him communicate that to uh
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to joe and joe perfectly explained it it's the casualness of what it was and it was just pierre
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being pierre of like well who told you that like it was just it was just such a um an intriguing
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moment and so uh i really like that clip yeah the fact that now it makes sense i didn't know that he
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If Chad realized it, he would have stopped eating the apple, probably.
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Almost all the things that blow up on the internet or really take off
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were something that just naturally, organically happened.
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this is you know personified and how you've got this guy this politician just asking just basic
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questions about why is your why are you asking this question in this way does it make any sense
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and here's why so it completely exposed the media and that's why it was such a runaway in terms of
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people viewing it um i asked you like one last question overall well first of all i guess i have
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asked should he have done it during the campaign when who knows it would might have moved the
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needle and pushed the conservatives over the top or is that just something that's in the past and
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there's no point dwelling on it listen i i don't know i don't know if it would have you don't know
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i don't know i hate the what if game i think it it just makes you frustrated and makes you go in
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circles all I do know is we're here now and you know like one person said on my social media they
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said too late and I'm a big believer unless you're dead it's never too late so why would you give up
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and what do you have to lose again I can't stress this enough it is the number one podcast in the
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world we have the worst relationship we've had with the United States in my lifetime we have a
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prime minister who promised to get us a deal who ran an election that he was the best negotiator
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that he would never have tariffs and he has done none of it. He has delivered nothing. And so I
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think without a doubt, why wouldn't you have somebody who wants Canada to be united again,
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to be prosperous again, to be sovereign and to be respected on the national stage,
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go down and sell Canada? I think it was a smart move. I have to ask one more. Will Trump see it
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and what will he think? 100% he will see it. So even in the, there's an exchange in the podcast
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where Joe Rogan says to Pierre, the narrative in the States is that you were going to win
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and everything was going to be great. But then Donald Trump said, you're going to be the 51st
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state. And everybody went crazy. And Pierre was actually really diplomatic, said, I don't think
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they went crazy. Like, I think we thought it was a joke. And then he kept saying it. And Joe comes
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back and says, yeah, Donald Trump phoned me. And he was like, you know, I said it as a joke and
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they loved it. And now I think it's great. And Joe goes, it's not great. It's a crazy thing to say.
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and so joe actually said what every canadian was feeling which was great um for that reason and a
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hundred percent to answer your question donald trump and joe rogan know each other i think
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they're i think they're you know well established i don't know if i would say they're friends but
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they're definitely they know each other and a lot of people would tell you that donald trump's uh
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election and winning had a lot to do with his appearance on joe rogan so absolutely i think
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and I think Donald Trump has a great sense of humor
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Thank you so much for coming on the show, Michelle.
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