Juno News - Poilievre continues to push back against trans ideology

00:00:00.000 No, I don't understand the folk thing.

00:00:03.620 It's like F-O-L-X. 1.00

00:00:04.680 It's like the, because the K-S is apparently racist and colonial now.

00:00:09.000 So you have to replace that with an S or with an X.

00:00:12.020 I don't get it.

00:00:12.860 No, I really don't get it.

00:00:14.540 I don't understand the X.

00:00:15.700 Like what, explain it to me.

00:00:17.620 I think it's because the X allows it to be singular.

00:00:21.060 S means it's plural, but this way you can have folks.

00:00:23.280 It means only one person.

00:00:24.840 When they're talking about like.

00:00:25.680 What about, why can't you identify as singular?

00:00:27.340 Actually, it's a wonder X isn't more offensive now with the Elon Musk rebranding.

00:00:31.400 You'd think they'd want to like purge X from the dictionary.

00:00:34.440 That's an excellent point.

00:00:36.040 Excellent.

00:00:36.840 But even like, they'll say trans folks.

00:00:38.760 So trans folks with an X can just be referring to one person.

00:00:42.000 Is that, is that it?

00:00:43.000 Is that actually it?

00:00:43.920 Why not?

00:00:44.960 I really don't get it.

00:00:45.840 We'll do a deep dive next week.

00:00:47.140 An investigative feature into the colonialism of chaos.

00:00:50.760 We will get an expert.

00:00:52.400 I'm sure there's an expert out there.

00:00:53.520 An expert.

00:00:54.740 An expert.

00:00:55.460 All right, guys, let's get started.

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00:01:27.040 So, Andrew, I think you were at this press conference on Wednesday with Pierre Polyev.

00:01:31.040 He was out in Kitchener, Ontario.

00:01:33.020 I think that the purpose of the press conference was to talk about the rising cost of living

00:01:37.360 and how a Polyev government would be different.

00:01:40.020 But really, just like every answer he gave at that press conference, he was on fire.

00:01:44.580 It was like it was really exciting to see Pierre Polyev just, I don't know, answering questions

00:01:50.620 in an honest, sincere way and just knocking one out after another.

00:01:54.360 So let's let's put his first clip of Pierre Polyev talking about how he believes that female

00:02:00.540 spaces should be exclusively for females. 1.00

00:02:03.240 Now, this this seems earth shattering in Canadian politics, really, this is just a view that

00:02:08.280 every single person in the world held about five minutes ago before we all got taken over 0.86

00:02:13.100 by this crazy trans ideology.

00:02:15.560 But let's let's play this clip from Pierre Polyev.

00:02:19.740 My question, sir, is should you form the next federal government?

00:02:23.040 Will you make female safe spaces safe again by introducing legislation that bans so-called 1.00

00:02:31.540 transgender women from participating in female sports and getting access into female shelters 0.78

00:02:39.600 and female prisons? 1.00

00:02:41.920 Female spaces should be exclusively for females, not for biological males. 1.00

00:02:48.340 The you ask if I introduce legislation on that.

00:02:51.380 A lot of the spaces you described are provincially and municipally controlled.

00:02:57.820 So it is unclear what federal legislation would would reach federal legislation would have

00:03:05.000 to change them.

00:03:06.320 But obviously, female sports, female change rooms, female bathrooms should be for females, 1.00

00:03:13.640 not for biological males.

00:03:16.200 So Pierre Polyev giving the correct answer there.

00:03:18.020 And pardon me, folks, I pardon my manners.

00:03:20.840 I forgot to introduce our guest today, which is Hamish Marshall.

00:03:23.580 We're usually joined by Harrison Faulkner.

00:03:25.200 He's down at CPAC in Washington, D.C. this week.

00:03:27.860 I was away last week.

00:03:28.580 I was on a Disney cruise with my family.

00:03:30.060 So we had Swan Levy filling in last week for me.

00:03:32.720 And this week we have Hamish filling in for Harrison.

00:03:36.520 And I think you're going to be gone next weekend.

00:03:38.040 So we'll have to find.

00:03:38.840 Yeah, actually, I think I was filling in for you.

00:03:41.800 And Sue Ann, I guess, was filling in for me.

00:03:43.780 So yeah, so I actually don't know.

00:03:46.400 Hamish, Hamish might even be filling in for me right now.

00:03:48.380 We'll see.

00:03:48.680 I'm just going to do all three parts from now on.

00:03:52.460 Well, you audience should know Hamish.

00:03:54.620 Well, he was our in-house pollster during the last federal election.

00:03:57.660 Hopefully we'll have you back to do that again during the next election, Hamish.

00:04:00.580 But he is a conservative insider and he has had a lot of fancy jobs inside the conservative

00:04:04.860 party.

00:04:05.160 I'll just leave it as that.

00:04:06.500 So anyway, what do you what do you what do you folks think of Pierre Polyev standing

00:04:12.760 up for females in female spaces? 1.00

00:04:15.980 Andrew, I'll go to you first.

00:04:17.380 It's funny.

00:04:18.000 I kind of am of the mind now.

00:04:20.760 And Hamish probably will know this because he's on the other side of it.

00:04:24.120 But I kind of get annoyed that there's not really a lot of news at press conferences.

00:04:28.180 You know, the idea that you're just going to ask a question and you're going to just draw

00:04:32.480 something earth shattering out of a politician is pretty rare.

00:04:36.140 Every now and then you get lucky.

00:04:37.680 Like I remember in the 2021 election when I just asked Aaron O'Toole at a press conference

00:04:41.640 if the Canadian flag, which had been at half mass for forever, should go back up.

00:04:45.480 And he said yes.

00:04:46.080 And that was the only real news story here.

00:04:48.140 So I was kind of surprised because the question was asked by David Menzies of Rebel News.

00:04:52.320 And he had told me ahead of time because we were just sort of making sure that, you

00:04:55.260 know, we weren't covering the same ground.

00:04:57.160 And he was going to ask that.

00:04:58.020 I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

00:04:59.420 Like, I just didn't think there was going to be that.

00:05:00.840 Then he comes out with the money quote that then was like the story everywhere in

00:05:05.700 legacy media and independent media all day.

00:05:08.700 And I've got to say it was a very interesting move because I think a lot of the time people

00:05:12.840 and I've been in this category of kind of worried that Pierre Polyev was being too cautious

00:05:17.300 on these issues, parental rights stuff.

00:05:19.860 He's often been very delayed in saying that he supports these things.

00:05:24.440 When Daniel Smith came out with the policy, he was, again, a lot more quiet at first about

00:05:29.920 it.

00:05:30.140 Then he said he'd supported it.

00:05:31.580 But this is, I mean, outflanking what any provincial premier has really said on this.

00:05:37.360 And it really is putting him in line with where conservative members said they were back

00:05:41.700 in the fall when they voted in favor of a motion, effectively saying what Polyev said on

00:05:46.060 Wednesday.

00:05:47.660 What's your take, Hamish?

00:05:49.400 Yeah, I mean, I think I look, first of all, I think he's speaking common sense.

00:05:51.960 And I think, you know, Pierre has realized that, you know, one of his brand out there

00:05:57.560 is common sense, talking about common sense government.

00:06:00.200 And so he's got to, he's when given the opportunity to say common sense things, he takes them.

00:06:04.780 Right.

00:06:05.020 And I think that's what we saw today.

00:06:06.880 What he said to your point earlier, Candice, wasn't controversial, you know, like yesterday,

00:06:11.720 but somehow, you know, everything is now controversial.

00:06:14.920 Um, so everything he says makes good sense.

00:06:18.260 And I think, I think honestly, also the thing that's happened is that we've seen, uh, the

00:06:22.140 reaction, uh, to, uh, the laws that, uh, Premier Smith has proposed in Alberta and that Albertans

00:06:29.260 and Kayans are broadly, uh, supportive of, uh, of what, uh, what she's proposing and that

00:06:34.580 the, uh, center ground in Kayan and Canada on this, on these issues is not where, uh, the

00:06:40.680 Toronto Star and Twitter think of this.

00:06:42.360 Well, it's so refreshing that Polyev has come to this conclusion because I know under previous

00:06:47.500 leaders in this party, uh, the safe thing is, is, is the sort of, you know, perspective

00:06:52.960 that you're going to get, especially now because, you know, Pierre Polyev won the conservative

00:06:56.440 leadership race in a landslide.

00:06:58.360 He has the party already, like, like the base of the conservative party is going to vote for

00:07:01.840 this guy no matter what.

00:07:03.060 So he doesn't have to, doesn't have to take risks when it comes to social issues.

00:07:07.420 Uh, but the fact that he is, I think is a good sign because he, he obviously has a very

00:07:12.020 good sense of the country.

00:07:12.960 He understands that the sort of medium voter or, you know, the, the, the, the common sense

00:07:18.060 perspective.

00:07:18.560 And so the fact that he feels emboldened to, to speak about this stuff is very refreshing.

00:07:23.380 Um, and, and you had another, um, you, you, you, you had to, yeah, but before we go to

00:07:29.360 that, I just wanted to jump in on that point because I, I actually don't agree that the

00:07:33.820 conservative base can be relied on to always vote for the conservative leader.

00:07:38.500 And I think that that was the big problem we saw with, uh, Aaron O'Toole and to some

00:07:43.240 extent, no offense to present company.

00:07:45.460 I think to Andrew Scheer's campaign is that there's an expectation that, okay, we've already

00:07:49.140 got our base.

00:07:49.740 We don't need to do anything to keep them on side.

00:07:52.120 And I think there's really no comparison between Scheer and O'Toole on, on the top line of

00:07:56.360 that, but O'Toole really took his own party's base for granted.

00:08:01.740 And it's no surprise that we saw the PPC triple its vote share from 2019 to 2021, because there

00:08:07.400 was another party presenting itself as an alternative to that.

00:08:10.040 So I think, well, you know, Pierre Polyev is a lot more popular than O'Toole as a conservative

00:08:14.160 leader.

00:08:14.540 And I think the Canadians, there is something that he is telling his side, no, no, no, I

00:08:20.220 haven't forgotten about you.

00:08:21.300 And I think it's been refreshing how consistent he's been from leadership to leadership race

00:08:27.100 to post leadership race, because that's a pivot that oftentimes is not smooth for, uh, for

00:08:32.060 conservative leaders.

00:08:33.620 You're absolutely right.

00:08:34.600 And when, when I said that, that the base is going to vote for Pierre, I didn't mean

00:08:39.200 that the base is going to vote for any old conservative leader, because I don't think

00:08:42.120 that's right.

00:08:42.440 But I think that Pierre has done enough at this point to earn the respect and credibility

00:08:47.320 of the base that he didn't have to come out and say females base serve for females only, 0.78

00:08:51.360 even though it's like the obvious thing.

00:08:52.820 I just mean that generally just like what he's done or the past.

00:08:56.160 But I think you're right.

00:08:56.840 I think that the, that the very presence of, of Maxime Bernier and the opposition party means

00:09:01.380 that conservatives have to be conservatives a little more, if nothing else, uh, Maxime

00:09:04.660 Bernier, uh, does a great service, uh, in that, in that way.

00:09:08.640 Hamish, do you want any, any final thoughts on this topic?

00:09:11.240 Yeah, I mean, I, I think broadly speaking, you're right.

00:09:14.160 I think Pierre understands that you have to do things to keep the base engaged.

00:09:17.100 The most important thing I think in politics is underrated.

00:09:19.640 It isn't who people vote for.

00:09:21.780 It's who decides to stay home or vote whatsoever.

00:09:24.260 There's lots of people.

00:09:25.200 And we saw this in, in the 2021 campaign with, with O'Toole.

00:09:29.200 There's lots of conservatives who, who didn't vote for the PPC, but just didn't vote because

00:09:32.980 they were turned off by it.

00:09:34.500 And the biggest threat is, you know, while Trudeau is desperately unpopular, the reason

00:09:40.480 people have not to be motivated to come out and vote.

00:09:42.960 And if you don't give people nothing, they might say, well, I really hate Trudeau.

00:09:46.100 And some of them will come and vote, but not maybe not, not all of them are not all of

00:09:49.380 them in all the writings that you need.

00:09:51.360 So I think, you know, doing things to keep, keep conservatives fired up is a, is, is a really

00:09:57.280 good strategy because you want those people fired up and making sure they go and actually

00:10:00.720 vote whenever this election rolls around.

00:10:03.760 Another great point.

00:10:05.100 Okay.

00:10:05.440 In that press conference, I mean, like I said, Pierre Polly was on fire on Wednesday morning

00:10:09.360 and he gave us a lot.

00:10:10.340 I think he did an entire show, Andrew, on the response that he gave and you could see

00:10:13.480 he was just kind of like warming up and getting like hotter and hotter and hotter in terms

00:10:17.860 of like where he was going.

00:10:19.240 But one of the other things he mentioned rather briefly, but he still mentioned it, was talking

00:10:23.780 about this, this new story about Pornhub.

00:10:26.760 So Pornhub is a big, I think it's the biggest porn distributor on, on the, on the internet

00:10:30.920 and it's a Montreal based company that does it.

00:10:33.320 And basically they're considering pulling the plug on their Canadian access.

00:10:38.460 I think this is similar to the way that Facebook has, has pulled access to news because they

00:10:43.100 don't like the government meddling and they said, you know, it's easier for us to just

00:10:45.840 turn the switch off completely.

00:10:48.880 And to that, Jordan Peterson responded to that news story. 1.00

00:10:54.420 Jordan Peterson responded just saying that Pornhub is run by and serves scum. 0.98

00:10:58.800 I'm not sure if he was talking about because they would dare to take porn access away from 0.99

00:11:03.660 Canadians.

00:11:04.080 I'm presuming that that's not what he meant. 1.00

00:11:05.660 And what he meant was that it's run by and serve scum because he doesn't agree with 0.99

00:11:09.800 porn from a moral perspective. 0.99

00:11:12.080 Anyway, I just bring it up because Pierre Polly have also commented on this.

00:11:15.580 Andrew, why don't you let us know?

00:11:18.160 What did, what did Pierre say about this topic?

00:11:20.940 He said, yes.

00:11:22.700 He said, yes.

00:11:23.460 That was his answer.

00:11:24.440 Yes.

00:11:24.840 The, the question, it was from the Canadian press.

00:11:26.880 They asked if a conservative government under Polly have would basically require age,

00:11:31.380 age based verification to access online porn.

00:11:35.580 I mean, technically, I think on these sites, they like, they probably have in their terms of

00:11:39.060 service that you need to be 18, but there really isn't a mechanism to verify this.

00:11:43.300 So there's a Senate bill that's been getting a lot of discussion on this that would effectively

00:11:47.860 require you to verify your age with the, these porn providers, Pornhub being one of the biggest

00:11:53.620 ones.

00:11:54.580 And he was asked if he supported such a thing.

00:11:57.520 And he just said, yes.

00:11:58.620 Now, this is where I get into very dicey territory.

00:12:02.660 Because on one hand, you know, I'm, I'm totally on board with the arguments that online porn

00:12:07.660 is a moral harm.

00:12:08.420 You look at the, the effect it has on, on young people in particular, I'd say on, on a

00:12:11.900 lot of people, but on young people, uh, on young girls who are, you know, forced to

00:12:16.640 live up to these, you know, things that they're, you know, boyfriends in high school are seeing.

00:12:20.880 You have people that are accessing this as young as like nine and 10 years old now.

00:12:24.720 It's, it's horrific.

00:12:25.940 And, but then you get to the other side of it, which is not to mention the young men

00:12:30.640 that get addicted to it and cripples her life because they get physically addicted to, you

00:12:36.200 know, everything about the website is, is so based on an algorithm that traps you in

00:12:40.560 there.

00:12:40.780 And it just like destroys these young men's lives.

00:12:42.620 So yeah, it's like anyone who's ever been sucked into like watching YouTube clips for

00:12:46.060 hours and hours, but you know, worse.

00:12:47.860 And the thing that you see then is though, is that the arguments in favor of this age

00:12:54.340 based verification to keep minors away, they're, they're going to butt up against privacy concerns

00:12:59.920 because all of a sudden you now have to, according to some mechanisms of doing this, you know,

00:13:04.260 provide your identification to a site that is basically proliferating online porn.

00:13:11.580 And I don't trust any of these companies with, with people's data.

00:13:16.040 I don't trust a government to maintain some registry that's going to, uh, work with these

00:13:22.160 companies and, and let's be real.

00:13:24.060 I think that this is something that is morally harmful, but I think it is a by-product of

00:13:28.280 a free society.

00:13:29.480 Porn is the, uh, unfortunate but inevitable consequence of free speech.

00:13:33.320 So I've yet to see a proposal for how to do this thing that doesn't create issues that

00:13:39.320 I think are bigger than the one they're trying to solve.

00:13:42.080 Yeah.

00:13:42.580 And I, and I think I, I could, I'm pretty sure that Pornhub was the one that was

00:13:45.620 implicated in this, that a lot of the problems with them that I think Dr.

00:13:49.120 Peterson was referring to is, uh, a lot of user uploaded content of minors was, was, was

00:13:55.980 appearing on the site and people were using it for things that may or may not have been

00:13:59.680 criminal to watch things that may or may not be criminal acts.

00:14:02.500 And they were very slow to take it down.

00:14:04.780 And people were putting up, you know, revenge porn and all this sort of thing was happening.

00:14:08.500 And Pornhub was like, Oh, I don't know if we can do too much about this.

00:14:11.480 And we're working on it, but nothing would ever come down.

00:14:14.000 And the danger of course, and all of these things, and this is always the argument of

00:14:17.540 regulation and there is no easy answer is if, you know, a company like this that exists,

00:14:22.220 that has servers in Montreal, that presumably the Canadian government can, uh, interact with.

00:14:26.740 It has, uh, has, uh, come, uh, has, um, um, goes down other providers will flood the space that

00:14:35.080 perhaps are based on servers in, you know, God knows where that the Canadian government can't

00:14:39.600 deal with, and there's no requirements for, and the situation just gets, gets worse.

00:14:44.940 I don't think there's an easy answer to this.

00:14:47.100 Um, you know, some sort of age requirement.

00:14:49.040 We're also seeing this everywhere.

00:14:50.160 I mean, there's a whole bunch of American States that are talking about age requirements,

00:14:52.980 uh, and how that, um, uh, manifests, I think, well, I think there could be an opportunity

00:14:58.060 for a new standard that evolves across chunks of the Western world, but it's not going to

00:15:03.900 be solved just in Canada, just with this.

00:15:06.360 You two are both far too practical.

00:15:08.460 Okay.

00:15:08.740 You just need to ban it.

00:15:09.700 Just ban it all.

00:15:10.500 Get rid of it all.

00:15:11.520 Just throw it away.

00:15:12.760 We tried it.

00:15:13.560 We tried the whole liberal thing where people could use porn and access websites, destroyed

00:15:17.520 an entire generation. 0.65

00:15:18.600 They're not having sex anymore.

00:15:19.480 They're not getting married.

00:15:20.020 They're not having children.

00:15:20.420 Let's just throw it out, ban it, try something else.

00:15:24.220 And the libertarian Trump card to that argument, my wonderful and intelligent friend, Candace,

00:15:29.420 is that, uh, if you give government license to ban things outright that it sees as harmful,

00:15:35.020 all of a sudden you're licensing the next government to ban things that we would argue are not harmful.

00:15:40.920 All of a sudden they're going after our online speech, which by the way, the liberals are doing

00:15:45.040 in the same legislation.

00:15:46.360 So that's the problem here is that when government gets to regulate harm, it also gets to decide

00:15:51.900 what harm is.

00:15:53.200 No, you're right.

00:15:54.220 I mean, sometimes you just take a step back and you look at so many of the things in our

00:15:57.080 society that are just absolutely detrimental, that don't have any upsides.

00:16:00.320 It's like, you know, the, the, the, the, this is really sad, tragic story, but the son of the CEO

00:16:05.840 of YouTube died of an overdose.

00:16:08.360 He was a student, 19 year old student at Berkeley.

00:16:10.220 And the drug that he was consuming that he died of an overdose was, was weed.

00:16:14.860 He smoked a joint.

00:16:16.340 It was laced with fentanyl, fentanyl, and he's dead now.

00:16:19.760 And it's like, you just have to imagine like, like what world as a society, are we just okay

00:16:26.540 with like kids dying and like taking fentanyl because we decided that weed was okay?

00:16:31.520 It's like, there's, there's some things in society that are just bad.

00:16:34.580 And I know like even an earlier me would have been like, no, drugs are fine and whatever.

00:16:39.480 If someone wants to put something in their own body, they can.

00:16:41.040 But it's like, we're, we're at a stage now where there's just so many externalities.

00:16:44.340 There's so much uncertainty.

00:16:45.200 You don't know like what has fentanyl in it.

00:16:47.220 You're saying to the kids like, it's fine to smoke a joint.

00:16:49.100 It probably is, but not if it has fentanyl in that case, the young man is dead.

00:16:53.000 And it's just, it's just tragic.

00:16:55.240 There's, there's so many things in our society that, you know, we've, we've allowed and, and,

00:16:59.260 and defended in terms of liberty, even as conservatives that we personally don't agree with.

00:17:03.660 And I think maybe it's getting a time where conservatives just need to like,

00:17:07.440 take a more moral stance and say like, these things are wrong.

00:17:10.060 They're bad.

00:17:10.800 Fine.

00:17:11.160 You can have them, but we oppose them and we're going to do everything we can to stop them.

00:17:15.060 You know, look, I'm a conservative, not a libertarian.

00:17:17.360 So my instinct is very much along your lines, Candace.

00:17:21.180 And, you know, I think we, we've always lived in a society where certain unhealthy things have been banned.

00:17:28.080 You know, a complete libertarian free for all.

00:17:30.100 I mean, you can move to Somalia and have that if you want, but count me out. 1.00

00:17:33.660 You know, I, I think that we, you know, we obviously have to ban things.

00:17:38.560 The problem is, is that, you know, I also just admit that, realize that we live in a perfect world and we're never going to actually get to a perfect world.

00:17:45.760 So it's about having a medium between what works.

00:17:48.620 And most of all, that when we change things like this, we do it slowly and in a considered fashion and not all at once.

00:17:55.140 And that's what scares me, frankly, about both, you know, the lefty sort of year zero folks who want to say, well, we'll change everything, rip everything up.

00:18:03.520 And frankly, some libertarians that are along the same ways that say, well, all government things must be destroyed immediately.

00:18:09.260 You know, I'm skeptical of big government too, but I'm more, most in favor of let's take small steps, especially when it comes to the harm of children.

00:18:17.820 And let's make, let's, let's be, let's be, let's be more cautious than, than we should be to get this as not never perfect, but as close to right to balance those things out as we can.

00:18:29.360 Yeah.

00:18:29.520 I mean, look, the idea of creating a regulatory regime that makes Pornhub say, you know what, we're just going to pull out of Canada.

00:18:34.960 I think, okay, great, but you know, we railed against the same thing happening with news when it came to Facebook.

00:18:41.100 And, and I would argue that probably some of the things masquerading as news are probably just as bad for you as what's on Pornhub, depending on the outlet.

00:18:50.100 But the point that I would raise on, on this is that we talk a lot about parental rights and that's been a big issue for True North.

00:18:56.760 It's been one we talked about a little earlier on the show.

00:18:59.000 There are also parental responsibilities.

00:19:00.840 And I think there needs to be a call to action for parents here to be a lot more aware of what these sites are, of the harms of them.

00:19:08.840 And I know that it's a perennial problem that kids will always outsmart their parents on technology.

00:19:14.280 So whatever, you know, parental blockers and controls you have when, when kids get a cell phone, I mean, it's basically like you're just putting, you know, throwing caution to the wind.

00:19:23.160 So I think that this is a big issue though.

00:19:25.280 And I think that, you know, the civil society approach that I would advocate is one in which parents are equipped with the tools they need, both technical and moral to actually have these conversations and do what they need to in the homes.

00:19:38.300 Because frankly, I trust that far more than I trust whatever government legislation is going to achieve on this.

00:19:44.640 You're both far too practical, but no, Andrew, I completely agree with you.

00:19:47.100 Like even just looking around, you know, you go out for dinner these days and you just notice that like families are sitting at the table and they're all on their cell phones.

00:19:55.100 I noticed this so often that it'll be like mom and dad on their phone, two kids with like headphones on, on the iPads.

00:20:01.400 And everyone's just like independently, like staring at their screens.

00:20:04.500 And now, now it's going to be Apple vision pro.

00:20:06.540 Everyone will just go out for dinner and they'll all be just like watching movies and their goggles at the dinner table.

00:20:11.720 My husband brought one of those things home.

00:20:13.180 I'm like, I don't even want to try it.

00:20:14.180 But yeah, like the whole log about it, but it's like, I think a lot of times parents give their kids devices and screens because it's kind of like easier.

00:20:21.280 And it's just like, here, take this.

00:20:22.960 And you're right.

00:20:23.660 Like you have no idea what they're doing.

00:20:25.140 Like you put them on YouTube kids and like three videos later, they're watching some creepy video of like adults playing with Barbies.

00:20:31.020 And it's like, what?

00:20:32.980 Like, I think, I think you're right.

00:20:34.380 What is your tube algorithm saying?

00:20:36.700 I haven't seen those.

00:20:37.200 I haven't run into that one yet.

00:20:38.760 That's not even my story.

00:20:39.860 That's like a story that I saw someone else talking about.

00:20:41.940 But no, it's like, it's just, yeah, once they're on that, you know, black hole device, you don't really know.

00:20:49.240 And parents need to take a much more instructive role.

00:20:53.300 Okay, let's hop back to the political world because I did want to, I came across this video and I really respect, I have tremendous respect for Dr. Jordan Peterson.

00:21:01.820 Although sometimes he talks about Canadian politics and I think he's just wrong.

00:21:05.300 So here's one of those instances.

00:21:06.400 I'm going to play this clip and I'll get everyone to react.

00:21:08.740 So this is Jordan Peterson predicting the future of Canadian politics.

00:21:12.340 And just note how sure he is that this is what's going to happen.

00:21:15.620 So let's play this clip.

00:21:16.680 The biggest fear I have right now for the country is that Trudeau will hang on for another year because getting rid of that man is like trying to get a fly out of sticky paper.

00:21:28.340 Yeah, with all the mess that would entail.

00:21:33.700 And then Pierre Polyev will be elected.

00:21:37.620 And then we'll find out just how bad things are.

00:21:42.340 And that'll be dumped on his shoulders.

00:21:45.080 And his government will fail because of the cataclysm that he's inherited.

00:21:49.260 The Conservatives will have a one-term shot at it.

00:21:54.740 And then like Mark Carney will be the new Prime Minister of Canada.

00:21:58.400 That's the most likely outcome.

00:22:01.280 And by that time, Canadians will make 40% of what Americans make instead of the 60% they make now. 0.70

00:22:08.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:09.340 So, you know, that's rough and likely.

00:22:15.280 Okay, so let's just go through the claims here.

00:22:17.100 I think he's partially right.

00:22:18.140 You know, Trudeau will hold on to power for another year.

00:22:20.840 That's probably right.

00:22:22.440 Pierre will win the next election.

00:22:23.760 I think that that's the way that we are headed.

00:22:25.700 And then at that point, we will discover the mess, the true mess, because you don't really know from the outside.

00:22:31.040 You don't know how bad the numbers are.

00:22:32.380 And that is true.

00:22:33.540 So he thinks that Polyev will get elected, realize the huge mess, and that that will lead his government to fail and that he'll have one term and then we'll have Mark Carney.

00:22:42.160 I don't think that that will happen.

00:22:43.300 I think that typically in Canada, governments are elected for a decade or a generation.

00:22:48.140 And that Canadians would rather have the devil they know. 0.99

00:22:51.260 So once the conservatives are in power, the conservatives will stay in power.

00:22:54.640 And that Pierre will have more than just like a four-year term to try to fix things and turn the country around.

00:22:59.800 And I don't see anything compelling about Mark Carney.

00:23:02.660 I think sometimes like elites see fellow elites and say like, wow, look at their credentials.

00:23:07.240 Wow, he went to Harvard.

00:23:08.460 He's definitely going to be prime minister.

00:23:10.400 And it's like, no, there's a whole country out there that doesn't like this sort of banker elite Harvard type.

00:23:15.400 And that's like a really hard type to get elected.

00:23:17.680 So I think that that's where Peterson's prediction falls apart.

00:23:22.420 Let's go over to you, Hamish.

00:23:24.880 What do you think of Dr. Peterson there?

00:23:26.940 Yeah, I mean, look, I think predicting the future as it comes to politics is really, really dangerous, especially because everybody assumes the patterns that exist today will continue to exist, right?

00:23:36.400 I remember people saying exactly the same thing in the lead up to Stephen Harper getting elected in 2006.

00:23:41.640 Harper will win one term and win a minority.

00:23:43.220 He'll be in for two or three years.

00:23:44.520 The liberals will be back forever.

00:23:45.800 Harper was in power for nine and a half years, right?

00:23:48.480 And ended up winning more and more seats in every election until he won a majority.

00:23:54.500 The fact of the matter is that what's most interesting thing that's happening right now is that the dynamic in Canadian politics is changing.

00:24:00.600 The conservative vote is beginning younger and younger and younger.

00:24:03.540 Conservatives aren't doing as well with people over 65 as they had previously as voters are, younger voters are coming on board.

00:24:12.740 Conservatives have been, in some polls, have been leading women under 35, which has never happened in my lifetime.

00:24:18.060 And a different coalition is being built.

00:24:20.120 And the one thing you'll say when different coalitions are built and whether that's, you know, in Canada, the reform, emergency reform and block,

00:24:27.040 when party systems begin to change, just things really change.

00:24:29.960 And where that will lead, you know, in five or ten years is extremely difficult to say.

00:24:36.000 But right now, if the polling continues, you know, Pierre is going to win a majority government, which is fantastic.

00:24:41.920 I think that in many ways, Keynes will be looking for something very, very different from Trudeau.

00:24:46.120 And I think they'll be expecting a style of leadership very different from Trudeau.

00:24:51.200 The liberals are going to be in disarray.

00:24:52.640 The thing that we all forget, and this matters so much in parties, is the liberal party as it exists right now is so much the creation of Trudeau after he rebuilt it,

00:25:00.780 after he became leader in 2013, that, you know, very few of their MPs have any experience before Trudeau.

00:25:06.680 They're going to become this weird Trudeau tribute act incapable of doing something different, which I don't think will sell in the future.

00:25:13.140 We'll see where it goes, but I have no reason to be, maybe I'm just more optimistic than Trudeau Peterson, but I have no reason to be as pessimistic as that.

00:25:21.580 And I think we've got the chance of, you know, a good decade of conservative transformational rule and hopefully a real realignment of the Canadian political system that puts conservatives more on the upper hand more often.

00:25:32.340 Well, and even just, I'll go to you in a second, Andrew, but even just that claim that Canadians will be 40% as rich as Americans and that we're 60% as rich now, I mean, again, I look back to Harper when Canadians had the richest middle class in the world and the New York Times was touting it and the average Canadian made more than the average American.

00:25:50.680 Like that wasn't that long ago and that's not that far out of reach.

00:25:53.440 I don't think that Pierre has like magical powers to fix the economy and we're in pretty rough shape right now, but I do think that like solid free market economic framework can do wonders for government and Canada's government is small and nimble enough relative to the United States that you can make changes that can have an impact.

00:26:13.340 Andrew, what's your perspective on all this?

00:26:15.720 Yeah, just on the predictive aspect itself, I think that intellectuals make bad pundits and pundits make bad intellectuals.

00:26:21.380 So I think that Jordan Peterson, who I've got a lot of respect for, anytime he's pulled into a pundit role, which happens often because I think people look at him as this sort of oracle that knows everything, I find it it's his weakest material because, you know, there are realities that are just different from the intellectual realm.

00:26:40.860 And it's not to say he can't observe those things, but I don't think that's a strong suit.

00:26:44.880 So I think the reasons you mentioned about Mark Carney, like this was the same attitude that led to Michael Ignatieff, who was one of the most dismal liberal leaders in, well, I'd say the most dismal in recent memory.

00:26:56.860 So it ever, ever.

00:26:57.700 Yeah, and it's the John Kerry thing, where, you know, like I remember one of the stories that comes out of the 2004 was when John Kerry's wife was in a, I think it was a Wendy's or something for a photo op, and she asked her aide, what's chili?

00:27:11.340 Like, these people just exist in a completely different realm.

00:27:16.100 And you're right, the elites love them because they're in that crowd.

00:27:18.780 But they're the types of candidates that you could ask them, like, how much does milk cost?

00:27:22.980 And they would just have no idea whatsoever because they don't do their own grocery shopping.

00:27:27.500 They're not in that world.

00:27:28.460 So that's not to say the liberals wouldn't love Mark Carney, but the idea that Mark Carney is going to unseat Pierre Polyev, who has a very specific agenda.

00:27:37.660 I mean, I see Pierre Polyev as being Mike Harris 2.0 in a lot of ways, in terms of going in with a very ambitious agenda, delivering on it very quickly.

00:27:47.340 And Mike Harris, I mean, obviously had a rockier second term, but he wasn't just a one-term premier.

00:27:52.440 So that would be my prediction.

00:27:54.340 But as Hamish mentions, you can't, the future is not entirely based on the world as it is right now.

00:28:01.960 It's based on whatever happens in the next, I'd say, six years, you know, a year and a half to an election and then a four-year term beyond that.

00:28:10.160 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:28:11.320 And I think you have to have faith in Pierre that he is going to get into office.

00:28:15.700 He's going to appoint the right people.

00:28:16.780 He's going to have the right team in place.

00:28:19.140 And again, I think that there's such a big power of the incumbent, like whoever's in power, that's, you know, Canadians will put their trust in that.

00:28:28.420 And, you know, it's interesting because historically it's sort of been the media that have done such a huge job in undermining the trust of a conservative government.

00:28:38.020 And I just think the media is losing so much of its power.

00:28:41.220 And I don't think that will happen this time around.

00:28:43.740 All right, let's move on to the next story because this is something that I've been reading a lot.

00:28:48.420 And it's truly tragic.

00:28:50.520 So this story is about a 26-year-old woman in Vancouver Island who is preparing for medically assisted deaths.

00:28:57.200 So she's apparently eligible for MAID. 0.57

00:29:00.840 And basically she partially blames Canada's health care system for failing her.

00:29:07.420 She has a malfunctioning immune system. 1.00

00:29:09.500 I believe we have a clip.

00:29:10.620 This is from City News over on Vancouver Island.

00:29:15.200 Speaking with City News' Liza Yuzda, Lana says sometime after her 27th birthday, at the end of the month, she will have a medically assisted death.

00:29:23.520 I am unbelievably grateful I have this option because there's one other outcome if MAID weren't available for me.

00:29:33.900 And that's for me to take this into my own hands and do this alone.

00:29:38.040 Lana says she wants to be clear that pursuing MAID isn't a choice but a realization.

00:29:43.140 It came in October as her pain, in part from a malfunctioning immune system, peaked.

00:29:47.860 So it's incredibly sad and what a state of affairs in Canada where we have beautiful young women choosing to die.

00:29:55.600 And even just some of the language that's used in there saying it wasn't a choice, it was a realization.

00:30:00.400 That sounds like kind of religiously cultish to me.

00:30:02.860 I don't understand that.

00:30:04.420 And that saying that if she wasn't able to use this government-assisted suicide program, you know, we euphemistically call it MAID, medical assistance in dying. 1.00

00:30:13.700 But it's really a government suicide program, I think that is.

00:30:17.840 I mean, you sign up, the government, you know, through the government, they give you drugs, you take them, or you go into your office and they give you a shot and it kills you.

00:30:25.620 I mean, I don't know how to describe that in any way other than suicide.

00:30:29.080 But, you know, she says it's because she has this pain.

00:30:33.140 And if it wasn't for this program, she would take life into her own hands.

00:30:35.840 So she would kill herself. 0.99

00:30:36.900 If it wasn't for this program, she would kill herself. 0.99

00:30:38.600 She says it's all right in the clip.

00:30:40.240 So before I get your reaction on this, I just want to tie it to a news story and clip that happened in Ottawa.

00:30:47.440 Right around the same time, we had Conservative MP Garnett Janis asking a liberal government about, you know, they're having a conversation about this program, medical assistance in dying.

00:30:58.340 And he asks them, you know, how the government intends to exclude people who are suicidal or mentally ill.

00:31:05.100 Anyway, let's play this clip and then I'll get both of your reaction to both stories.

00:31:08.540 Questions and comments of the Honourable Member for Sherwood Park for Saskatchewan.

00:31:15.000 Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

00:31:15.860 I have a question for the government about their so-called MAID policy. 0.95

00:31:20.380 Now, they've said repeatedly that especially as it relates to mental health challenges, their MAID policy would aim to exclude those who are suicidal.

00:31:29.540 But I want to understand from the government, isn't any person who requests MAID suicidal simply by definition, since they're requesting MAID?

00:31:39.600 The Honourable Secretary, the Honourable Parliamentary Secretary, your very important question.

00:31:46.920 I think it's irresponsible and untrue, honestly, to claim that MAID has anything to do with suicide.

00:31:52.680 The Government of Canada recognizes the importance of all Canadians to have access to critical mental health resources and suicide prevention services.

00:32:01.240 I am a member of the special MAID committee and not one witness that I heard when I was there said that this is suicidal.

00:32:13.200 Question. 0.72

00:32:14.900 So it's hypocritical and untrue to say that the government program that kills people has anything to do with suicide. 0.56

00:32:20.660 Right. Okay. Can someone explain it to me? Andrew, can you can you maybe help me understand this? 0.90

00:32:27.120 How can I? No, you can't explain the inexplicable.

00:32:29.300 By the way, I love that our like lighthearted weekend show has been like fentanyl overdoses, porn and MAID today.

00:32:34.720 So sorry, guys, let's just like throw in a segment about a Holocaust remembrance and really chipper everyone up for the weekend.

00:32:39.380 But the no, it's a serious issue.

00:32:41.800 And, you know, it's one that I've talked about on my show a lot, just given my own personal experience with mental illness.

00:32:47.260 And when the government expands the criteria as it's doing and is still committed to doing to include mental illness,

00:32:55.120 of which the desire to end your life is oftentimes a fatal symptom, you can't say that it has nothing to do with suicide,

00:33:02.360 because all of a sudden in those cases, the desire to end your life is, in fact, a symptom that the government is trying to treat with ending your life.

00:33:11.640 And there's a reason we used to call this assisted suicide, because it is taking your own life with assistance. 0.98

00:33:18.080 The only reason they call it MAID is because that was a euphemism that was, pardon the pun, made to make it sound better and more palatable to people.

00:33:26.280 So to turn around and say, oh, nothing did nothing to do with it.

00:33:29.200 No, taking your own life has nothing to do with taking your own life.

00:33:34.300 Yeah, I think the idea of this medicalization of suicide, I think, is where we've gotten to.

00:33:41.660 And it's trying to say, well, it's not this gross, icky suicide thing.

00:33:46.340 It's this other thing. It's just a procedure like anything else.

00:33:48.860 And, you know, this case of someone with terrible pain, that's sort of the poster child of what we were all told that MAID was for.

00:33:55.900 The really crazy thing isn't isn't that story in B.C.

00:34:00.460 It's some of the other stories in B.C. where the medical establishment now pushes as an option.

00:34:04.940 So there's this terrible story from, I think, just before Christmas where this woman got some form of cancer in British Columbia and she couldn't get treatment.

00:34:13.380 You know, the wait lists because the cancer care in B.C. is a travesty.

00:34:16.860 She couldn't get treatment. And she was said they said, well, you're not going to get treatment in a reasonable amount of time.

00:34:22.880 Why don't we schedule you in for MAID instead? 1.00

00:34:25.100 So it wasn't, you know, your pain is unbearable.

00:34:28.460 You've come to the logical decision that ending your life is the best for you.

00:34:32.040 It's the health care system is breaking down under the weight of its own problems. 0.63

00:34:36.700 So therefore, you should why don't you just, you know, end your life?

00:34:41.240 So she ended up going to the United States, paying a whole bunch of money personally, got cancer treatment, is now cancer free, which is a fantastic outcome.

00:34:49.680 And she's back in B.C. cancer free.

00:34:52.840 And she gets a phone call saying, so when do you want to schedule your MAID treatment? 1.00

00:34:56.000 They still had her down for being on the list. 1.00

00:34:57.960 She's like, no, I don't need that anymore.

00:34:59.820 I got it fixed.

00:35:00.860 And that's what I think is really, really, really dangerous is this is it's now being pushed as another method.

00:35:06.620 The outcome of medicalizing suicide is it's now being used as another outcome for your as part of a medical plan.

00:35:16.420 Well, we're going to try this treatment or this treatment or then we'll try MAID.

00:35:19.260 And I think that's dangerous, disgusting and a real, real problem.

00:35:23.460 That's where we really have to draw the line.

00:35:25.180 Well, again, it comes down to, like, what kind of society do we want?

00:35:28.560 Do we want a society where the government is pushing death and you get, like, calls from the state saying, are you ready to die now?

00:35:35.360 We've got a spot for you coming down.

00:35:38.140 I think there's a similar story to when you described Hamish out of Montreal.

00:35:41.220 And it was, like, the story of a Paralympic hero and a star who needed a new wheelchair and she couldn't get one.

00:35:50.340 And she made an offhand complaint saying, you know, it's hard for me to live without a new wheelchair.

00:35:57.160 You know, I don't know how much a wheelchair costs, 800 bucks, and the Canadian government wouldn't hand one over.

00:36:02.340 And so instead of getting her a wheelchair and giving her the respect she needs, they offered her to kill herself again. 1.00

00:36:09.120 And we don't even use the word kill.

00:36:10.480 Like, everything about medical assistance and dying, every single word in that phrase is a euphemism because it's not dying, it's killing.

00:36:17.760 The government is killing you.

00:36:19.140 And calling it medical assistance in, it's like, no, it's state-sponsored killing.

00:36:24.500 That's what it is.

00:36:26.340 Bizarre that the liberals, it's like, you know, the typical kind of Orwellian thing where they're just changing the language so much that they've confused themselves and they don't even know what they're talking about anymore.

00:36:36.540 And it's offensive that you would even suggest that it means the original thing that the words meant.

00:36:41.540 I mean, there's just so many things about this program that I feel like we haven't thoroughly discussed as a society.

00:36:46.940 So I give the conservatives, again, credit for bringing this up and continuing the conversation.

00:36:51.740 And hopefully, you know, the government trying to extend this program so far so that it includes people with mental illnesses, it includes minors and children.

00:37:00.480 And it'll come to a point where it'll become like the transing of the kids thing where the topics, the debate is like shoved in our face so much that we realize what's happening.

00:37:11.340 We realize that it's not the kind of society we want to live in and more and more people and more and more people oppose it.

00:37:18.320 Andrew, did you have any more thoughts on this one?

00:37:19.820 No, I think that's it's one of these issues, though, that's a very big crossover issue for a lot of people.

00:37:26.580 It's I mean, euthanasia assisted suicide have traditionally been the domain of social conservatives.

00:37:31.000 But this one has people sharing discomfort with the status quo in many, many different sections.

00:37:38.640 And it's kind of like parental rights and that it's one of those things that may have its roots in a voting niche, but actually is a pretty broadly appealing policy.

00:37:46.580 So I think it's politically wise, but I would just say morally right to take aim at this.

00:37:53.060 Well, Andrew, you you listed all the topics that we were talking about on this Friday afternoon lighthearted show.

00:37:58.320 We're not going to talk about Holocaust survivors, but but the liberal liberal journalists in Ottawa did accuse conservatives of being anti-Semitic and using an anti-Semitic dog whistle.

00:38:08.400 So I didn't want to ask you guys about this tweet in this story, because it seems to me that so just a background.

00:38:14.740 Dale Smith, who's a freelance journalist, he, quote, tweeted a conservative MP and basically said, once again, the, quote, UEF globalists, unquote, is an anti-Semitic dog whistle.

00:38:27.320 And the conservatives keep using it and acting surprised at the rise of anti-Semitism.

00:38:31.620 So this is mainstream media journalism here. 0.57

00:38:35.820 And basically, the implication is if you criticize the UEF and globalists, it's actually because you hate Jews. 0.68

00:38:43.880 And that's that's what they say with a straight face. 0.93

00:38:46.240 They accuse conservatives hating Jews.

00:38:47.920 And not only that, but that conservatives opposing the WF is somehow the real reason behind the rise of anti-Semitism, which is kind of like an enormous statement.

00:38:57.940 Yeah, it's not the October 7th attacks that triggered anti-Semitism.

00:39:01.200 It was me covering Davos.

00:39:02.780 That was the that was the real cause.

00:39:04.980 Nothing, nothing to do with Israel, all because of Andrew Lawton's coverage.

00:39:08.760 You know, it's almost laughable. 1.00

00:39:11.020 I don't even want to cover it because it's so stupid. 0.99

00:39:12.500 But it's actually surprising that this is what they're still putting out in February 2024. 0.98

00:39:18.660 Andrew, it's not as bad as when Yara Sachs said that Hong Kong meant Heil Hitler.

00:39:24.680 Like, it's not quite that level, but we're getting there.

00:39:27.720 We're getting there.

00:39:28.660 When you talk about, you know, the World Economic Forum and globalism, which all have meanings that have nothing to do with Jews, that is supposedly anti-Semitism.

00:39:39.040 I mean, look, the one good thing is that if people think that it might actually cause them to criticize anti-Semitism, which they've been pretty silent on a lot of the people that believe this nonsense.

00:39:49.320 Yeah, I would say, look, what I really object to is this term dog whistle.

00:39:54.940 When somebody uses dog whistle, it's it's saying that they believe in conspiracy theories.

00:40:00.700 I've spent my entire adult life being involved in political communications.

00:40:04.620 Getting your message across with a megaphone and spending millions of dollars in advertising is hard.

00:40:11.840 The idea that with a few slightly hidden word choices, you can communicate secret messages to large numbers of people who are waiting and listening for these triggers is like it is the realm of conspiracy theory.

00:40:26.540 That's not how the world works. Like politicians are direct because they have to be direct because otherwise people don't know what the hell they're saying.

00:40:34.380 So like the idea that this is a way of somehow spreading secret messages is is totally is total lunacy.

00:40:44.240 Right. You know, when we worry about anti-Semitism, we should worry about the people marching up and down on the streets of Toronto, you know, calling for for Jews to be heard and for people to be to be kicked out of their jobs for supporting Israel and everything else that like.

00:41:01.040 But it's the whole idea that there's these secret dog whistles is just reflects a fundamentally unserious view of how the world actually works.

00:41:09.360 And yet these journalists take themselves so seriously and they think that they're really exposing something true here, that that that the real anti-Semites are somehow the conservatives, despite, you know, to your point, you know, conservatives are the clearest on their support for Israel as the other two parties that have a very murky position.

00:41:26.360 And no, I like it. Anyone who uses the word dog whistle, that is a dog whistle for conspiracy theorists.

00:41:32.780 So I believe if someone uses dog whistle, I now just call them out and say that's a conspiracy theory.

00:41:38.540 Well, I'll follow up with you, Hamish, on that kind of line of reasoning, because it seems like certainly this happened to Harper.

00:41:45.400 It happened to Andrew Scheer to a lesser extent, Aaron Tull, but it still happened to him that as soon as it was like general election time,

00:41:51.360 the media just like came out with all the conspiracy theories, like this is what the conservatives are doing, this hidden agenda, secret agenda, they're bigots, they're homophobes, here it comes.

00:42:00.920 Do you think they're just going to use the same playbook?

00:42:03.020 Like, do you see that coming for Pierre Polyev?

00:42:05.440 I mean, obviously, we see the weird Trump comparisons that we talked about this on the show before, that it's so weird to compare Pierre Polyev to Donald Trump because they're such totally different political figures.

00:42:16.320 But do you think that's coming or do you think the media have kind of learned that it doesn't really work?

00:42:19.520 No, it's all coming. They've learned nothing. Liberals have learned nothing on this.

00:42:24.180 You know, it's what did Talleyrand say about the Bourbons? They've learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

00:42:29.420 It's all the same. Everything they believe. This is their whole worldview that conservatives have this hidden agenda.

00:42:35.300 They're all secretly, you know, members of the RNC or something.

00:42:39.540 And it's all coming. They're going to say all the same things they say every other time.

00:42:44.560 And then they will be mystified when it doesn't work. And then they will try to blame the fact that it didn't work on Canadians being tricked, on an institute that, you know, there was some electoral fraud.

00:42:55.460 We wait for it. It's all coming. And that's what we have.

00:42:59.580 That's what we'll spend 2025.

00:43:01.200 You know, after, you know, you know, should conservatives win the next election, I look forward to the hand wringing panels and CDC's dying days about, you know, what this, you know, how Canadians were actually tricked into voting conservatives.

00:43:14.760 Well, people forget that the, you know, the first election deniers were, well, I mean, I don't know if they were the first, but there were a very prominent group of election deniers.

00:43:23.920 And it was in Canada after the 2011 election where they invented a story that it was somehow robocalls that had completely fooled the public into not voting.

00:43:32.520 And that was the only reason that Stephen Harper was our prime minister.

00:43:35.860 And it was like a, you know, two-year conspiracy theory that led to hundreds of news stories.

00:43:41.520 I think news awards and journalism awards that basically led us nowhere.

00:43:45.980 So, right.

00:43:46.820 We saw the same thing in the UK after Brexit, all the Facebook hacking, all that stuff, you know, it's all been proven to be massively overstayed.

00:43:55.520 They overstayed there, or in some cases, not true.

00:43:58.520 And that's the only way they can explain that the British people would want to be out of a malignant super state. 0.79

00:44:05.640 Andrew, any thoughts on this?

00:44:06.820 Any final thoughts on this?

00:44:09.340 Just that the conspiracy theorists, the real conspiracy theorists are the ones who spend all day accusing everyone else of being a conspiracy theorist.

00:44:17.380 And I think that's the whole point.

00:44:19.020 And you look at people like this, we were just talking about it.

00:44:21.800 It's the same sort of thing where the amount of, the amount of conspiratorialization that they need to have in their mind to think that everyone else is doing it.

00:44:30.660 It's just massive.

00:44:32.800 Right.

00:44:33.620 No, absolutely.

00:44:34.700 All right.

00:44:34.940 I have one final story that I want to talk about just because it's so deliciously ironic.

00:44:38.680 And, you know, we usually cover Canadian stuff.

00:44:41.100 This is an American story and it's about Donald Trump.

00:44:43.720 So basically, I don't know if people have been following it too closely, but Donald Trump recently lost a $354 million civil case where they basically accused him of inflating his assets in order to get bank loans.

00:44:57.000 And he used those bank loans to buy real estate deals.

00:45:00.400 Basically, the banks gave him the loans and he was still in good standing with the banks.

00:45:04.540 He paid back the loans.

00:45:05.560 So I have a really hard time wrapping my head around how this was a crime.

00:45:09.840 But anyway, basically, he got found guilty.

00:45:13.140 And I think that this has caused a chill in the New York kind of banking and commercial real estate community because this is kind of what they all do.

00:45:19.560 Right.

00:45:19.720 And so the governor of New York was trying to basically allay the concerns of investors.

00:45:27.600 She went on a radio station and just assured the New York business community that, no, no, don't worry.

00:45:34.340 This was specific to Trump.

00:45:36.280 You don't have to worry about doing this kind of thing because this was just about Trump, basically.

00:45:41.580 And saying, you know, that the radio host said, you know, if they can do this to the former president, can't they do this to anyone?

00:45:46.940 And Governor Hochul was like, no, no, don't worry.

00:45:51.020 Trump was a special circumstance, which I think, you know, does exactly what Trump is accusing them of, which is basically leading a witch hunt and applying the rules separately.

00:46:01.700 So I think this is just one of those scenarios where people who are so into the political realm of like Trump is evil.

00:46:09.120 Everything we do against Trump is justified and everything that like everything we get him on is a victory.

00:46:14.760 But they miss it.

00:46:17.080 You take a step back and it's like how this impacts just how regular people view the world and how regular people say like, wait a minute, this kind of shows like a corrupted system where rules aren't really applied evenly.

00:46:29.400 I just thought this was a wild, wild story.

00:46:33.220 I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on it.

00:46:34.940 Hamish, what do you think?

00:46:35.620 Well, and it does exactly what presumably she wants not to happen, which is it helps Trump.

00:46:40.120 It's now a proof point that he can say this is all politically motivated.

00:46:43.940 They're using Trumped up charges to try and stop me from running for president, et cetera, et cetera.

00:46:51.000 And he will now use that quote and say it applies to any and all the prosecutions that has to do with him, whether it does or not.

00:46:59.280 And so any victory that anybody thinks they had over him by winning this suit is completely null and void because he's now got proof that he can run around saying, of course, they're bending the laws to go after me.

00:47:11.260 And they're, you know, the deep state, everything else he wants to talk about.

00:47:14.300 And it's proof of that.

00:47:16.140 And so she's undone any good that she thought that had been achieved by this.

00:47:20.820 It's unbelievable.

00:47:21.860 Andrew, final thoughts on this?

00:47:23.540 Yeah, I mean, I just take the view here that, you know, the whole system is terrified of him winning, which is why they go through all of these steps and processes to prevent it.

00:47:34.820 Because if they were sure that, you know, Joe Biden could somehow find his way to a podium and become inaugurated on or re-inaugurated, then they would need to do all this stuff because they know that Trump will lose the election.

00:47:46.660 He'll be a two-time loser.

00:47:47.860 Biden wins and that's it. 0.99

00:47:49.880 So you see instead very, very dirty tricks.

00:47:53.060 And, you know, I'm a firm believer in never give your opponent martyrdom.

00:47:58.320 Never give your opponent martyrdom.

00:47:59.700 Don't give them an opportunity to get up and claim, don't give them evidence in support of their primary claim against you.

00:48:09.040 And that's the thing that Hamish said.

00:48:10.540 I mean, I've been clear.

00:48:12.080 I mean, I think that Trump was a vastly better candidate than Hillary Clinton.

00:48:16.340 I think he was a vastly better candidate than Joe Biden.

00:48:19.000 Wouldn't have been my first choice under any normal circumstances for president.

00:48:22.600 But the thing is, is that you can't deny he has been targeted by the system and targeted by the state.

00:48:28.840 And I think that what's fascinating here, like just completely and utterly fascinating, is that they just completely hand ammunition to him by doing what he's accused them of doing.

00:48:42.120 Yeah.

00:48:42.560 Yeah.

00:48:42.820 It's like he couldn't have written it any better.

00:48:44.280 I mean, when I saw that headline and I heard what Kathy Hochul said on radio, it's like, you just want him to win.

00:48:49.500 Like part of you must just want Trump to win so that you can like, you know, jack up your paper ratings and your TV ratings.

00:48:55.640 Yeah.

00:48:56.500 He's the embodiment of that old line about you show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

00:49:00.360 Like we've decided he's the bad guy.

00:49:02.400 So let's just, what can we do?

00:49:03.940 Oh yeah, let's try this one.

00:49:05.060 This will work.

00:49:06.520 It's really, it's really entertaining.

00:49:08.780 We've got a lot of good content in the year to come with the election season.

00:49:12.980 So we won't talk about it too much because we like to focus on Canadian stuff, but every once in a while, it's just too interesting and juicy not to cover.

00:49:20.960 Well, Hamish Marshall, thank you so much for joining us.

00:49:23.400 Andrew Lawton, always a pleasure.

00:49:25.760 And thank you to the audience for tuning in.

00:49:27.160 Remember everything that you just heard is off the record.

00:49:30.260 Thank you so much.

00:49:30.880 Have a great weekend.

00:49:31.480 Did we actually forget viewer comments again?

00:49:42.440 Oh yeah, shoot.

00:49:44.240 They were in the dog.

00:49:45.280 It's like the word we keep, this is like the segment we have done like one out of four episodes, but we keep telling people we're going to do it.

00:49:51.300 We'll have to do a viewer comments only episode.

00:49:53.640 Yeah, that way I won't forget.

00:49:55.240 Yeah.

00:49:55.440 I was sitting so still in my office for 15 minutes straight that the motion detector didn't take movement and turned off the lights.

00:50:04.020 Oh, I thought maybe it was like when your kids ran up and turned off the lights and ran away or something.

00:50:08.460 No, I was just like not moving at all.

00:50:10.580 I guess I move around more often than that.

00:50:12.740 I was doing an interview at the Conservative Party headquarters on whatever street it's on now a while ago.

00:50:18.640 And the big boardroom like just shut down midway through the interview because I guess we were too still.

00:50:23.040 So we'd like find our way to the lights.

00:50:25.500 I was out here sort of like waving my arm around off camera.

00:50:28.240 I saw, I was going to comment on it, but you were midway through a serious point.

00:50:31.700 So we get to have the fun interjections on this show.

00:50:35.340 I'm usually like a hand talker.

00:50:36.820 So I'm usually just like bobbling around.

00:50:39.160 It actually affects my audio because like they always sort of like lean in and then I lean out and lean in.

00:50:43.920 You know what I actually think it is?

00:50:45.000 It's because I've raised my laptop up and the detector for it is directly pointed at me normally.

00:50:49.920 But the laptop is blocking that when it's raised up like this.

00:50:54.140 You have to do what JJ does and just sit on a bouncy ball and then.

00:50:57.580 That's right.

00:50:58.080 That's exactly right.

00:50:59.080 Hi, everybody.

00:50:59.960 Welcome to the show.

Juno News - February 23, 2024

Poilievre continues to push back against trans ideology

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