Juno News - Poilievre continues to trigger the media

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to another edition of fake news friday it is friday august 12 2022 and as we try

00:00:17.400 to stand firm in the blizzard of lies expose the fakery the misinformation the disinformation and

00:00:23.900 just the plain pure unbridled wacko we are standing here at true north doing exactly that

00:00:30.720 and after that bold introduction there is no man befitting it as much as my trusty co-host for this

00:00:36.440 episode harrison faulkner harrison it is good to have you on how was your week pretty good that was

00:00:42.140 a pretty nice introduction i gotta say and i was just thinking about this andrew it's it's been a

00:00:46.380 quiet week it's been nice and simple we haven't had the prime minister around and i'm starting to

00:00:51.140 get that feeling like he's coming back soon and everything's about to kick up again so

00:00:54.320 it's uh it was it's been a nice quiet week i have to say yeah i mean the point that i made i think it

00:00:59.840 was on this show last week which some people didn't like on twitter or at least didn't see the nuance of

00:01:04.340 is that i would be happier in the grand scheme of things if he just stayed in costa rica but

00:01:09.020 we know that all things have to be undone what goes up must come down what goes to the caribbean

00:01:13.920 must come back so next week will be a bit of a different week i have no doubt uh let's talk

00:01:20.220 first and foremost though about the conservative leadership race and specifically polyev derangement

00:01:27.100 syndrome now you may remember uh this is going back to the archives here bush derangement syndrome

00:01:31.840 which was the original ds and it was called i believe it was charles krauthammer of memory serves

00:01:37.500 it was just the complete spastic hysterical nature of a lot of the critiques of george bush and we've seen 0.80

00:01:45.080 this derangement syndrome come back every time there's a conservative leader now it doesn't matter

00:01:51.140 who it is people just go absolutely crazy doug ford before he was the lockdown leader when he was a

00:01:58.240 conservative the media had ford derangement syndrome certainly there was harper derangement syndrome

00:02:02.820 and now there is undoubtedly polyev derangement syndrome let's look here first off at how the globe

00:02:10.180 and male decided to cover the fallout of stephen harper's endorsement of pierre polyev let's first

00:02:16.840 take a look at the endorsement friends fellow conservatives greetings i haven't talked to you

00:02:22.820 like this in a while and much has transpired our party once again has a leadership race underway

00:02:30.440 in this particular race there's been a lot of speculation about whom i support or do not support

00:02:37.540 and why so it may be useful for my fellow party members to hear my views straight from me it's a

00:02:44.700 strong field but one candidate has garnered disproportionate attention pierre polyevre was

00:02:51.240 a strong minister in my government in the past several years he's been our party's most vocal and

00:02:56.500 effective critic of the trudeau liberals he's been talking about the issues especially the economic

00:03:02.100 issues that matter slow growth debt inflation lack of job and housing opportunities and the need to

00:03:10.540 fix the institutions that are failing canadian families so stephen harper who has kept his powder

00:03:16.380 dry the last couple leadership races did come out and say that he is standing behind pierre polyevre

00:03:22.140 and a nanos research poll written about in the globe and mail says stephen harper's endorsement

00:03:27.860 shows no boost for pierre polyevre new poll suggests and this story came out on august 8th and they did a

00:03:34.760 telephone survey of just over a thousand people they consider it accurate plus or minus 3.1 percentage

00:03:41.400 points 19 times out of 20 all the standard polling lingo but basically they say that most people

00:03:47.800 would find no effect one way or another of stephen harper's endorsement on pierre polyevre and if

00:03:54.920 you read the fine print you realize this was not a poll of conservative party of canada members this was

00:04:01.260 a poll of the general population people who may or may not be members at all most likely they aren't

00:04:07.240 and it was basically saying does i'll read the question exactly has stephen harper's recent endorsement

00:04:14.800 of pierre polyevre as a candidate for the conservative party leadership giving you a more

00:04:19.060 positive impression a more negative impression or has it had no impact on your impression of pierre

00:04:25.100 polyevre if you're not voting in the leadership race your answer to that would presumably i don't know

00:04:30.260 why do i care what what is that about me but the media is trying to make it seem like oh stephen harper's

00:04:35.680 tainted polyevre's tainted and really it's just a fundamental misunderstanding or willful ignorance of

00:04:42.380 how leadership races are won i hope canadians can see through all of this andrew because you know

00:04:49.560 what we all know is if you can't pull the general public to begin with then when then when you try to

00:04:55.300 pull the general public about a conservative leadership race it's going to mean basically

00:04:59.280 nothing first of all and i think if you were to specifically pull conservative members obviously

00:05:04.520 the stephen harper endorsement of pierre polyevre is a huge is a huge boost to polyevre's campaign no

00:05:11.060 matter what campaign you're on or you're in or you or no matter what uh person you support uh getting

00:05:16.240 the endorsement of the previous conservative prime minister is huge for anyone so the idea of course

00:05:21.400 that it's going to not impact his chances in in a general is not is not true i don't think and of

00:05:28.620 course they do this thing where they talk about how you know it was he experienced the biggest boost

00:05:33.240 in alberta and ontario and quebec you know uh both said that they were the highest respondents to say

00:05:38.860 they disapproved of the endorsement obviously uh that's meant to be the case but canadians can see

00:05:44.520 through that at least i hope because obviously the globe and mail is not intending to pull actual

00:05:49.660 conservatives or to in fact get get an accurate poll of canadians we we know that polling companies

00:05:55.120 have consistently failed to pull whether it be conservative whether it be working class canadians

00:05:59.700 whether people whether it just be people who live in the middle of the country they can't seem to

00:06:03.560 gauge where that support is coming from but i i did some digging myself andrew to see what other

00:06:10.200 polls might indicate whether or not canadians would would support a stephen harper endorsement i came

00:06:15.780 across a research co-poll published in july which actually found that 29 percent of canadians in this

00:06:23.300 poll which is basically 30 percent 29 percent of canadians responding to the research co-poll about the

00:06:29.840 worst canadian prime minister in recent history 29 said justin trudeau that's the highest any previous

00:06:36.280 prime minister has received so the majority of canadians believe justin trudeau is the worst

00:06:40.140 prime minister we've had in recent history and on the other side stephen harper beats justin trudeau

00:06:46.340 for the best recent prime minister so if i were pierre paulio if i were a leadership candidate i'd

00:06:51.020 certainly know who i'd want to be endorsed by and uh if i had the choice it wouldn't be justin trudeau

00:06:55.500 yeah i actually hadn't seen that i mean a research co is not a huge polling firm but it's not a

00:07:01.320 conservative firm by any stretch it's as i understand not tainted by partisanship in general

00:07:06.580 but it is interesting how poorly trudeau comes off in that and the whole point here and and look the

00:07:13.500 media is i i believe within its right to start polling on eventualities and ask canadians you know

00:07:20.120 what would you think of the conservatives if paulia were the leader what would you think if

00:07:23.980 jean chagrin were the leader what would you think if so and so were the leader i think that's all fine

00:07:28.620 but it's when they start talking about the internal workings of the leadership race without

00:07:34.240 acknowledging in any substantial way how leadership races work that i get annoyed and and in fairness

00:07:41.980 let me look at this one here from the i believe this was a no this was a leger poll uh in association

00:07:48.160 with the association for canadian studies and the headline here kind of gives you the angle poly have

00:07:54.400 preferred among conservatives but charay favored among canadians so the media is trying to say that

00:08:00.100 yeah pierre polyev is unelectable and conservatives they don't like jean chagrin but canadians do and

00:08:06.920 they're basically saying that conservatives are going to have uh the right leader that none of them vote

00:08:11.900 and the wrong leader is going to the one that's going to win is effectively the message here

00:08:15.880 and i find this to be a bit tiring because they it neglects to understand that this is the trump

00:08:24.420 effect that polling does not reflect a certain constituency and there are people who are not

00:08:30.220 as likely to talk to pollsters that are not represented that are very key demographic in voting

00:08:35.800 and beyond that they also fail to understand the importance of campaigning i'm convinced right now

00:08:41.060 that jean chagrin is not even really campaigning to conservative members he's doing the mainstream

00:08:45.820 media thing he's campaigning to the country as a whole so it's understandable that the country as a

00:08:50.200 whole may have a favorable impression of him again maybe pierre polyev will be able to do that or won't

00:08:55.920 we don't know we don't have a crystal ball but it's a pretty tired analogy that they're giving here

00:09:01.560 which is oh well uh you know he's the one the party likes but not the country and vice versa

00:09:05.860 well exactly and in a leadership race i would want to have the support of the party not necessarily

00:09:11.880 the country you want to play to win uh you want to win the leadership race and we'll see what

00:09:16.380 happens with uh with whatever whatever leader the conservative members decide we'll see if they

00:09:22.040 switch their positions or if they make any decisions to kind of change their change their

00:09:26.340 approach to attract canadians but again if you don't frame the poll in the correct way at the

00:09:31.360 beginning it's disingenuous by saying to canadians that you know canadians don't support pierre

00:09:35.780 polyev and they don't support this endorsement it's not accurate and it's not doing a good enough

00:09:40.040 job for canadians i will just provide some context quickly to that uh that research co-poll

00:09:45.640 it turns out that stephen harper and justin trudeau were bested by pierre trudeau for best

00:09:51.180 recent prime minister which i don't know may may kind of throw some shade on the research co-poll

00:09:56.720 depending on who you talk to but again i thought that might be interesting and another thing i found

00:10:00.480 in my research before the show was that a narsity article narsity is definitely not known to be a

00:10:05.940 a pro conservative that's for sure narsity back in 2019 wrote about how justin trudeau's approval

00:10:11.900 rating was lower than donald trump's so again it's just one of those things where these are not the

00:10:16.640 kind of headlines you'll see reported in legacy media news that's why we're doing it on this show

00:10:20.840 obviously but again it's important to put some context behind this when the media wants to tell you

00:10:24.900 that stephen harper is this boogeyman most canadians are afraid of pierre polyev or they're afraid of stephen

00:10:30.060 harper look for what canadians actually say about justin trudeau it doesn't show the best picture

00:10:35.340 of him either so it's important context there that i want to highlight for the audience listening

00:10:40.240 yeah i think that is a very fair game i think the media is going to lose its mind if pierre polyev

00:10:47.600 wins and it's going to be interesting to watch we'll have no shortage of material so all i can say on

00:10:52.440 that is to stay tuned let's turn from the internal party workings of the conservatives to the global

00:10:59.200 workings of the shadowy cabal of overlords that run the countries in the world and all of that

00:11:05.000 now i don't know it's not quite that bad but we are going to talk about the world economic forum here

00:11:09.860 which had an op-ed in the globe and mail debunking as they believe the own nothing and be happy

00:11:17.500 conspiracy theory and there are a few moving parts to this but i'll say basically that by now i'm

00:11:25.220 assuming you've heard of own nothing and be happy as though it's some common refrain of the world

00:11:29.900 economic forum now this line did really come from the wef it was a blog post that was published on

00:11:36.580 the wef's website quite a while ago by a member of parliament i think she was from denmark

00:11:41.800 and it was basically putting forward this futuristic scenario in 2030 so just eight years

00:11:48.420 from now in which people don't own anything they don't have a car they don't have a house they don't

00:11:53.060 have appliances what is the living room one day is used as an office for someone else the next day and

00:11:59.000 public transportation is there and everything's a public good and uh the whole point here and i want

00:12:04.560 to go right down to the text of this in the world before this fantasy 2030 world we had all these

00:12:11.840 terrible things happening lifestyle diseases climate change the refugee crisis environmental degradation 1.00

00:12:17.940 completely congested cities water pollution air pollution social unrest and unemployment we lost

00:12:24.180 way too many people before we realized we could do things differently and doing things differently in

00:12:29.920 this fantasy world is owning nothing and evidently being happy so it wasn't like a central campaign

00:12:37.040 platform item for the wef but it was a think piece that the wef put out that ultimately aligns with the

00:12:43.920 world economic forum's broader vision of rethinking property rights of basically making it so that we all

00:12:50.520 live with less because that's the way to save the climate so let's talk about how this is being

00:12:55.740 represented by the wef now in a globe and mail op-ed take it away so andrew there was an opinion

00:13:02.280 article that was published in the globe and mail by adrian monk who's the managing managing director

00:13:07.440 excuse me of the world economic forum and he takes direct aim at this statement this you'll own nothing

00:13:14.220 and be happy as previously talked about and the title of the piece is how own nothing and be happy

00:13:20.920 sparked a misinformation campaign that targeted the world economic forum misinformation and disinformation

00:13:26.580 wherever you've seen that before uh andrew so again this this author he begins by calling out where

00:13:33.880 he believes the origin of the yolo nothing and be happy idea came from and of course he does mention

00:13:39.400 that it was published by the world economic forum it is a wef slogan that they did kind of coin

00:13:44.920 but then from that point on from about the the second or third paragraph he completely abandons

00:13:50.840 that and then basically goes into saying that the the the comment defending the world economic forum the

00:13:58.200 comment is russian disinformation the comment came and became popular through 4chan which he describes

00:14:05.240 as an unmoderated uh messaging board used by operators of a russian propaganda campaign

00:14:11.400 and then he writes in the article the intent was apparently to spread disinformation in a bid to

00:14:16.040 stir far-right outrage about coven 19 and perpetuate domestic extremism the means was often via bots

00:14:23.080 that would push far-right conspiracy theories to communities on board such as 4chan so what you're

00:14:28.120 seeing here i think is a cleanup operation from the world economic forum to go after the big slogans that

00:14:34.040 have dominated their brand for the past couple years and i think pretty much ruined the brand of the world

00:14:38.920 economic forum in the public eye they're trying to send out their best and brightest to combat what

00:14:44.600 people are starting to learn about this group and basically label any criticism any direct quotation

00:14:51.080 of the world economic forum as this statement is as russian misinformation as far-right they even you

00:14:57.960 know they even use the word anti-semitic uh to describe using the terms of using the term you'll

00:15:03.640 own nothing and be happy so it's a big cleanup operation they're trying to sweep it all under the rug andrew

00:15:08.600 and they're using the globe and mail for it i mean they couldn't have picked a better outlet to run

00:15:12.600 a store like this if you ask me yeah it's a weird one because i mean he if you look at it in depth

00:15:18.600 it's anything but trivial he says and there's valuable insights we can take away from how

00:15:23.560 misinformation is created and why it's essential not to perpetuate its spread and i'm not saying that

00:15:28.760 people who believe in conspiratorial things about the world economic forum or other aspects of this

00:15:34.840 have not taken this and you know used it and whatever they believe but the whole point is

00:15:39.800 let's strip away all that and look at the facts themselves this was a think piece that was put out

00:15:45.640 by the world economic forum their argument or defense might be well we publish things by any

00:15:50.600 number of people but this is a vision that really talks about the eradication of property rights as being

00:15:56.840 a prerequisite for happiness and as being the antidote to all of these terrible things they say like climate

00:16:02.600 change and droughts and famines and all of that so whether or not and this is coming from an elected

00:16:07.400 representative not a canadian a danish mp but i guess the point is at what point does that become

00:16:13.880 russian at what point does that become disinformation and and i think this is a legitimate question if you

00:16:19.320 quote it is that allowed if you have the discussion we're having now is that allowed at what point

00:16:24.600 is it a conspiracy and no longer something that people can bring and i mean say what you will about

00:16:29.400 4chan there are a lot of issues with that platform just because something is on 4chan does not mean

00:16:35.160 it does not exist and and i always encourage people with anything even if you hear it on my

00:16:39.880 show or your show go to the source check out the source document the raw material and in this case

00:16:45.000 you don't need to get it filtered through 4chan you can go to the wef website there it is right

00:16:49.960 there on the screen it is still posted it's still available and you can decide for yourself and i i've

00:16:55.400 tried to give as accurate and fair a recap of that piece as i can read it for yourself not on 4chan

00:17:02.280 on the wef website yeah so i think in order to answer your question it becomes russian propaganda

00:17:09.160 becomes uh you know right-wing disinformation as soon as it becomes critical that is the point i think

00:17:15.320 at which all of all of the talk about it becomes this awful sort of russian campaign to you know influence

00:17:22.680 ideas i mean that's to me really where this all comes from and to not lose sight of the polyev

00:17:28.520 derangement syndrome taking place in this article they actually dropped pierre polyev's name and i

00:17:34.040 want to i want to read the read the quote because it's pretty it actually is pretty insightful to see

00:17:39.320 where the wef is coming from on this so the uh paragraph starts off by mentioning russell brand's

00:17:44.920 video that talked about the wef video and saying the article writes actor and comedian russell brand

00:17:50.840 talked about it in a video that received more than 1.8 million views on facebook pierre polyev currently

00:17:55.880 running for the leadership of the conservative party of canada use it to discredit prime minister

00:18:00.280 justin trudeau's government giving rise to a national movement and just before that he labeled the the

00:18:07.000 the saying as people who use that saying as dog whistling so you immediately see the connection

00:18:12.520 between andrew between them saying using this slogan to discredit the world economic forum and to

00:18:17.480 discredit politicians who are themselves connected to the world economic forum that's dog whistling

00:18:22.440 that's far right and that is dangerous territory i mean it's pretty transparent andrew i think when

00:18:28.360 it comes to the cleanup act that's taking place right now this isn't the first time we've seen it and

00:18:32.360 just to clarify one more thing in the article that the wef actually pulled that article you have to

00:18:38.840 go to the web archive to find it of course it's on the internet so it lives forever but in this article

00:18:43.720 in the globe and mail the author mentions the fact that they ended up pulling the story be to protect

00:18:50.680 the author of the original you'll own nothing and be happy uh basically because of all the all the

00:18:56.200 death threats all the comments they were receiving so again it's important to note that the cleanup act

00:19:01.480 is in full is in full flight right now they're really trying to clean up what's been going on in

00:19:05.480 the messaging of the wef but that article itself has been pulled from the website you have to get it

00:19:10.920 by going to the web archives yeah no and i appreciate you clarifying that i meant people

00:19:14.600 should like read their version of it not things that have been quoted in clip but yeah that's an

00:19:19.240 incredibly valid point so even the big ideas piece now has had to be taken down and does that make it

00:19:25.000 misinformation on their part i don't know uh let's uh end with a little bit of a fun one we always try to

00:19:30.440 end on a lighter note we don't have any cricket eating stories today so we had to look elsewhere but

00:19:35.720 uh you noticed in your travels an advertisement from one of canada's legacy media outlets that

00:19:42.280 apparently is getting chuckles all over the country yes so the toronto star i guess they are

00:19:48.200 not getting enough funding from the government they need to advertise to increase their readership

00:19:53.320 maybe because it's crumbling but on facebook they're putting out ads which i i just think deserve

00:19:59.400 total mockery andrew it's just hilarious what they're putting out here so the toronto star

00:20:04.200 ran an ad campaign on facebook with a blank background that just reads well the caption says

00:20:10.600 truth we need for the world we want so they're really kind of talking themselves up there uh and

00:20:16.120 then the the poster itself is a white background that just says journalism from a trusted news source

00:20:22.360 now i just want to remind people watching this this so-called trusted news source back in what was it

00:20:27.960 august 26 2021 they ran a toronto they ran a front page which is perhaps one of the most egregious

00:20:35.960 acts of i don't even know if you could call it journalism perhaps journalism malpractice it's

00:20:41.240 absolutely horrendous what they ran on their front page a series of quotes or tweets whatever it was

00:20:46.680 which they ended up having to apologize for which are just absolutely horrendous statements about

00:20:51.640 unvaccinated canadians so this was what the toronto star the so-called trusted news source

00:20:56.920 ran in august of 20 run in august of 2021 as their front page highlighted quotes include i have no

00:21:03.480 empathy left for the willfully unvaccinated let them die andrew so when i saw this i immediately

00:21:09.640 thought of that ridiculous cnn ad campaign where they show a white background with a red apple and 0.98

00:21:15.320 they just have some narrator saying this is an apple this is an apple no matter what people say

00:21:19.960 people may say this is a banana or an orange but it's really an apple and then of course they ended

00:21:24.680 by saying facts first cnn so i guess uh they're trying to change the narrative about themselves

00:21:31.080 but i wonder if canadians agree that the toronto star is a trusted news source it's reminding me of

00:21:36.600 the old like renee magritte paintings to see napa and pipe this is the this is an apple so it's not

00:21:42.120 like this is seen a pot it's a c8 and an apple this is i think fascinating and we we see i mean obviously

00:21:48.600 media outlets are commercial entities they have to succeed they have to survive they've got to

00:21:53.560 advertise but there is a big problem right now of these outlets really painting themselves as the

00:21:59.720 final authority and the final arbiters of truth i mean whether it's cnn saying that it decides what

00:22:05.400 an apple is or the toronto star pushing itself as being a trusted news source despite a number of

00:22:11.560 issues that people may have a lot of problems with about their coverage and you you'd look at the

00:22:17.000 comments and i mean no matter how many times it's still amusing people using uh laughing memes people

00:22:21.960 using the laugh react when you look at the uh responses to it like just pay attention to that

00:22:27.320 number and the toronto star either a is way off on its targeting its ad targeting or it is in fact a

00:22:34.520 laughing stock to a lot of the people it's trying to endear itself to and i this actually i find to be

00:22:39.560 quite troubling in in this country the lack of trust in institutions but i also feel that a lot of the

00:22:45.400 reason that's troubling is because institutions have behaved in such a chronically untrustworthy

00:22:50.680 way you won't see toronto star adapting their practices anytime soon as i don't think you'll expect

00:22:57.080 to see that from other legacy media outlets who know as a matter of fact that their trust is dropping 0.94

00:23:03.080 it's not a secret to these journalists i mean they're not the dumbest people in the world uh they

00:23:07.880 are aware of the fact that canadians are losing faith in what they put and what they write and 0.62

00:23:13.080 this ad campaign yes probably in part to try and increase their reach but i don't really think

00:23:18.200 that's what it is i think it's actually supposed to be a message it's supposed to be as you said

00:23:21.160 it's a bit of a flex right yeah them portraying themselves as the single source of truth you've

00:23:26.840 seen that line you know them portraying themselves them and and and perhaps other outlets like the

00:23:32.920 toronto star they are the ones that are trusted the independents perhaps you know the true norths

00:23:39.080 the rebels the western standards they aren't the ones that are trusted you have to go to a legacy

00:23:43.960 media oh and i think that is is an important point to bring up and and you highlight the point that

00:23:49.000 institutional trust is dropping at a significant rate and you know maybe perhaps if that's the case

00:23:54.200 it might call on a change of practices again i don't think you're going to see any of that

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Juno News - August 12, 2022

Poilievre continues to trigger the media

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