Juno News - December 07, 2021


Poilievre demands to know how the government is paying for its COVID support programs


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Where is the money coming from? Is it coming from somewhere else? What are the benefits? Where is it going to be spent? Who is paying for it? And where does it come from?

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00:00:00.040 And we have first up from the Conservatives, we have Mr. Poliev.
00:00:05.940 Thank you, and thank you to our officials for a good overview.
00:00:13.220 You've talked about the benefits. My questions relate to the cost.
00:00:20.140 How is the government paying the $7 billion bill associated with this proposal?
00:00:30.000 That question is directed to who, Mr. Poliev?
00:00:36.800 Anyone who wants to answer it.
00:00:46.900 If they have one, anyone over there that is concerned about where the money comes from, that person could speak up.
00:00:57.600 Maybe you could choose one of the witnesses.
00:01:00.000 I don't know who on their side is responsible for this, but clearly they're getting the money from somewhere, so they must know where.
00:01:16.360 Anyone here from Finance Canada?
00:01:18.220 I see Mr. Baylor.
00:01:18.980 Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, I can provide a high-level response, but I'm afraid I won't be able to answer directly the Honorable Member's question because we're here to discuss.
00:01:36.480 And what I can say with regards to the cost of the measures in terms of Part 1, the three first programs that I mentioned, the Tourism and Hospitality Recovery Program, Heart Hit Businesses Recovery Program, and the Local Lockdown Program have a cost of $3.2 billion.
00:02:00.140 And where's – sorry, Mr. Baylor, where's the money coming from?
00:02:05.820 Well, Mr. Chair, that is within the government's broader macroeconomic framework, and I'm not – I can't speak to that.
00:02:15.880 So you don't have anyone – it's just that we're being asked to vote in favour of another $7 billion of spending.
00:02:24.220 The obvious question is, where is it coming from?
00:02:29.620 Mr. Chair, as I indicated, I can discuss the contents of the bill, and I appreciate the question, but I can't answer that question.
00:02:37.820 Mr. Well, if somebody's paying for it, who is it?
00:02:49.420 Did the tooth fairy?
00:02:54.320 No answer.
00:02:55.960 The witnesses are here respectfully to answer questions to C2 as we study it.
00:03:03.660 Right, C2 has a $7 billion bill.
00:03:06.560 That's the price tag.
00:03:08.740 Right, that's what I'm asking about.
00:03:11.060 Where is the $7 billion coming from?
00:03:16.300 There's a lot of – a lot of people are willing to talk about how they're spending the money, but no one wants to talk about where it comes from.
00:03:24.940 How many witnesses do we have here?
00:03:29.000 Do we have the number?
00:03:29.820 Mr. Chair?
00:03:33.920 Ten? Is it ten?
00:03:34.840 Ten witnesses?
00:03:37.340 Ten witnesses to tell us about how to spend money, but not a single one to tell us where the money comes from.
00:03:44.900 Anyone, Mr. Chair, can you help us?
00:03:49.200 Mr. Paliyev, the floor is yours to ask your questions.
00:03:52.820 Well, I've asked the same question five or six times.
00:03:55.340 No one seems to be able to answer it.
00:03:56.780 I'm just worried that the answer is not one my constituents are going to want to hear.
00:04:03.220 Because right now, I have 30-year-olds living in their parents' basement because housing inflation has priced them out of the market.
00:04:09.700 I have single moms in my neighborhoods that can't afford a healthy basket of groceries to feed their kids. 1.00
00:04:17.420 I have seniors whose savings are being vaporized by inflation.
00:04:23.360 And now we have the prospect that deficits are going to drive up interest rates.
00:04:30.680 So, you can forgive me if my focus today is not on all the wonderful things the government is spending money on, but instead on where the money comes from.
00:04:40.840 So far, all the money seems to be coming out of the pocket of working-class folks who are paying record inflation.
00:04:50.280 Point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe we have officials here who are speaking specifically to C2.
00:04:56.340 I believe that the question that the member from the opposite side of the bench is asking questions that I think is more appropriately directed at our Deputy Prime Minister or our Minister of Finance.
00:05:07.120 And I think he'll have that opportunity to ask her that question when she comes before us this Thursday.
00:05:13.900 Thank you, Ms. Zerowitz.
00:05:15.360 You know, the officials that are before us are here to speak to C2 and any of the technical matters within C2, any of the questions that should be posed to the Ministry of Finance or the ESDC.
00:05:29.440 And, yes, there shouldn't be political questions to non-political witnesses.
00:05:34.040 And one more point of order. I'm so sorry. One more point of order.
00:05:38.300 I believe that the phone line is down. Can someone from the technical end of our team sort of look into that, please? Thank you.
00:05:45.340 Clerk? Mr. Poliev?
00:05:48.160 I have a strictly technical question. That is, where's the money coming from?
00:05:53.080 $7 billion cost. The money must be coming from somewhere.
00:05:57.860 Like, is there a money tree? Is there a printing press?
00:06:02.600 Point of order, Mr. Chair.
00:06:03.920 That's the technical question I'm asking. I appreciate the Liberals across the way don't want it answered.
00:06:08.440 As much as I love to hear the opposition member talk about this, I do think that we have wonderful officials here who are here to answer very specific questions around C2.
00:06:18.920 Again, it seems like these questions are excellent questions.
00:06:23.440 I think they could be directed to either our Deputy Prime Minister of Finance and or our Minister of Finance, who is scheduled to come before us this Thursday.
00:06:32.780 Yeah, these excellent public servants are here not to answer political questions.
00:06:38.800 I do agree with that, Mr. Poliev. I just want to let you know you've got a minute left of time.
00:06:43.820 Well, I haven't asked a political question. I've asked strictly a technical question.
00:06:47.220 Where is the money coming from?
00:06:50.680 And I mean it literally.
00:06:52.120 Like, where is it coming from? It's $7 billion.
00:06:54.620 It must be coming from somewhere.
00:06:56.380 If you believe money is a real thing and you're here to tell us how you're going to spend $7 billion of it,
00:07:02.020 clearly you'd be able to tell us where you're getting it.
00:07:04.220 You're asking for us here in Parliament to vote for this $7 billion.
00:07:07.900 Point of order.
00:07:08.220 And you don't want to tell us where you're getting it.
00:07:10.700 Yesterday, this committee passed a motion where we laid out a schedule for our work for the coming week,
00:07:17.680 the purpose of which was to make sure that different questions that members had could get answered.
00:07:24.120 I know Mr. Poliev wants an answer to this question.
00:07:26.900 That question is best directed to the Minister of Finance.
00:07:29.340 We agreed on an itinerary.
00:07:30.820 I think it's important that we ask the questions at the time when the witnesses are present who can actually answer them.
00:07:35.820 These witnesses are here to help us with C2,
00:07:38.060 and I think the questions should be directed to them on those topics that they can answer.
00:07:41.160 And then when the Minister is here, Mr. Poliev and others can ask the Minister questions that are pertinent to the Minister of Finance.
00:07:46.420 Thank you.
00:07:47.080 Thank you, Mr. Baker.
00:07:48.140 Just Mr. Poliev again.
00:07:49.300 So 30 seconds left on your time.
00:07:52.600 Well, I realize this is our first substantive meeting,
00:07:55.200 but I'll tell the government members on this committee how it's going to work.
00:08:00.100 You don't get to choose our questions.
00:08:02.360 We choose our own questions.
00:08:03.800 And my question is, where is the money coming from?
00:08:08.320 You want us to approve another $7 billion of inflationary spending,
00:08:12.720 and I want to know where the money is coming from.
00:08:15.780 So one final time to anyone in the room.
00:08:18.380 I'll open it up even to government members if they want to chime in.
00:08:22.260 Where is the $7 billion coming from?
00:08:24.900 Mr. Poliev, we're going to now be moving for six minutes to the Liberals,
00:08:33.800 for six minutes.
00:08:35.220 No $6 billion, please?
00:08:51.400 What is the deal?
00:08:52.320 Here they take care of.
00:08:52.600 Let's look at the moon of Zamboさん.
00:08:54.240 How many people in the room I want to come from?