Juno News - September 16, 2022


Poilievre Derangement Syndrome returns with a VENGEANCE

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In this week's Fake News Friday, Andrew Lawton and Harrison Faulkner take a look back at the past week, including the media's rush to paint Paul Yev as the new Conservative leader, the liberal heckler who interrupted a Conservative leadership debate, and the new Prime Minister's first appearance before the media.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to you all. It is Friday, September 16th, and you know what that means,
00:00:15.860 the Friday bit, not the September 16th part. It is time for Fake News Friday. Yes, my friends,
00:00:23.460 this is Andrew Lawton, joined as always by my colleague and host of Ratioed on True North,
00:00:28.680 Harrison Faulkner. Harrison, we gaze back upon another week that was. What was your take on the
00:00:34.220 week? Well, my take on it, I think, Andrew, is one we'll get on, we'll be talking about on the show,
00:00:39.100 and it's just the overwhelming, I don't even know if you could call it a meltdown or you want to call
00:00:44.500 it this sort of rush to paint Paul Yev, the new conservative leader, as something that the media
00:00:50.500 want him to, but it's been quite the spectacle, I have to say, this week. It's really made for good
00:00:54.880 TV. Yeah, we were doing, Harrison and I, alongside our colleague Sue Ann Levy and Elie Kenton Nantel
00:01:01.840 and Jasmine Moulton and the whole team, last Saturday, a conservative leadership results show
00:01:07.240 where we were documenting in real time and commenting on the results of the conservative leadership,
00:01:13.000 and at the very beginning of the show, I asked Harrison and I asked Sue Ann, I said, what is it
00:01:17.360 you're watching for tonight? And I was thinking, they would say, oh, you know, I'm curious about how
00:01:21.700 Jean Charest does in a bit to be Timiskaming, or, well, you know, I'm curious how Leslyn Lewis does 1.00
00:01:26.520 in Calgary Centre, but no, Harrison said, you know, I'm looking for the mainstream media freakouts,
00:01:32.260 and don't we have a show packed full of them just six days after that? Let's start off with,
00:01:39.180 I think, the overarching one here. We're going to be talking about the Pierre Polyev
00:01:42.780 derangement syndrome a lot over the course of this episode, because there has been, I think,
00:01:47.980 a big freakout of it. Now that it's gone from Pierre Polyev, the leadership candidate, to Pierre
00:01:52.360 Polyev, the candidate for prime minister, as he says, there are some people in the parliamentary
00:01:57.120 press gallery that don't seem too pleased by it. Now, I know this has happened a few days ago,
00:02:03.120 but I think it's revealing of the dynamic at play here, so we're going to get it out of the way now.
00:02:09.480 Here is Pierre Polyev's first time stepping before the media as the leader of the Conservatives.
00:02:15.720 Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I appreciate your presence here today. Before I begin,
00:02:21.920 let me just say that... Thank you very much. I'm being heckled here by the... Thank you very much
00:02:32.200 for your congratulations. Thank you very much for your questions. I'm going to begin my remarks now.
00:02:37.840 But will you take some questions afterwards? Justin Trudeau is out of touch and Canadians
00:02:43.640 are out of money. The cost of government is driving up the cost of living. A half a trillion dollars of
00:02:51.740 inflationary deficits have bid up the cost of the goods we buy and the interest that Canadians pay.
00:03:00.440 the cost for workers and businesses to produce the goods that we buy. On top of that, Trudeau proposes
00:03:08.640 yet more spending to bid up costs even further. The more things... The more he spends, the more
00:03:15.640 things cost. It is just inflation. Their homes and to buy a home in the very first place. The reason that...
00:03:24.440 So, I mean, we have... We have basically a liberal heckler who snuck in here today to...
00:03:33.440 I'm a liberal heckler. I need to say that I work for Global News. I'm the chief political correspondent
00:03:38.440 for that organization. Are you going to let me make my statement? You may remember me from the guy who
00:03:42.440 actually reported first on the Prime Minister breaking the law. Are you going to let me make my statement?
00:03:45.640 Are you going to let me make my statement? We'd just like to ask a question. Say yes. I've never...
00:03:48.640 I've actually never seen you heckling the Prime Minister. I've done it before. Ask Minister Bear back in the day.
00:03:52.640 I've never seen you heckling the Prime Minister. Look, bottom line is this.
00:03:54.980 Are you going to take some questions at the end of this statement?
00:03:56.880 Yes, I'm taking... I'll be taking two questions at the very end. Thank you very much.
00:03:59.920 Thank you very much. The... So, I'm going to start my statement again.
00:04:03.700 Ah, yes. And the liberal heckler there, David Akin, has since apologized for that exchange. He said it wasn't appropriate.
00:04:10.180 The reason I wanted to play that to really set the stage here is because this has now triggered,
00:04:15.720 I guess in more ways than one, but it's triggered a bunch of other responses
00:04:19.660 from mainstream media journalists that we're going to get to over the course of today. 0.81
00:04:24.000 But the big one is this idea that Pierre Polyev is this evil, big, scary, mean populist.
00:04:30.580 This is like the word of the day this week for most of these journos, isn't it?
00:04:34.340 Yeah, it is. And I think we're starting to see this strategy from the media appear now.
00:04:39.600 It's been a few days, as you said, and they've had some time to let the result sink in.
00:04:44.540 And I think what we're starting to see, Andrew, and we'll get to this with the reaction from the other journalists
00:04:49.220 to that clip we just saw, but what I think we're starting to see is the media have realized
00:04:54.200 their attempt at trying to paint Polyev as this divisive figure that is appealing to the fringes of Canadian politics
00:05:00.660 hasn't worked, right? That's obvious because of the result that he had in the election,
00:05:06.040 the leadership election, the overwhelming majority of points going his way.
00:05:11.140 So the new strategy, I think, Andrew, from the media is to say that when Polyev goes at the media,
00:05:16.840 when Polyev sort of returns the favor to the media, it's him demonizing the media.
00:05:21.740 The new strategy, I think, is to, from these journalists we're starting to see,
00:05:25.080 is to make themselves the victims of Pierre Polyev.
00:05:29.140 And when they realize that their attempts at trying to paint Polyev as this divisive figure clearly haven't worked.
00:05:35.320 So, yeah, I think we're starting to see a new strategy come from the media.
00:05:39.580 And if that was the first go at it, Andrew, then I think, well,
00:05:43.300 maybe that's a harbinger of what's to come with Polyev press pool in Ottawa relations.
00:05:49.200 Yeah, I mean, Aaron Wary, who's a big CBC politics guy, said that this is the arrival of, quote,
00:05:56.640 21st century populism in Canada, the internet-fueled, resentment-driven wave that has already flooded American and British politics.
00:06:05.240 So he's not coming out and saying it, but he's like, this guy's Trump, this guy's Boris Johnson.
00:06:09.680 This was also at the core of this really, really bizarro Theo Moudakis cartoon in the Toronto Star,
00:06:17.760 which you can take a look at on the screen there.
00:06:19.780 It's like, I'm kind of even having trouble describing it.
00:06:24.380 It's like Donald Trump is calling Pierre Polyev,
00:06:27.620 and Pierre Polyev is looking or squinting at the bondage dungeon he has in his basement,
00:06:33.580 where he keeps Patrick Brown and Aaron O'Toole and Jean Charest.
00:06:38.360 So the, you know, Polyev bondage dungeon has Jean Charest and Aaron O'Toole and Patrick Brown,
00:06:44.180 and it's Trump that's on the phone there.
00:06:45.540 I mean, you just throw every cliche out of it and hope that one of them sticks.
00:06:49.380 So where he's basically doing that,
00:06:51.060 that Polyev is just this carbon copy of this thing that you're always supposed to see and hate in these other countries. 0.97
00:06:57.000 But what I'm going to hone in on is resentment-driven.
00:07:02.120 I think this presupposes that there's something wrong
00:07:05.780 with resenting the state of affairs in this country when people have been left behind.
00:07:11.100 And I actually fundamentally reject that premise.
00:07:13.620 I think there are some people that are completely within their right to be resentful
00:07:17.900 of a society in which they've not been able to get ahead,
00:07:21.240 a society in which the wealth is spread so unevenly,
00:07:24.160 which used to be something the left cared about.
00:07:25.940 Well, what does it say, Andrew, when the one candidate in the leadership race that seems to,
00:07:31.300 I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that he is the best at articulating that resentment
00:07:36.440 that a lot of Canadians are feeling.
00:07:38.140 What does it say when journalists turn that around and immediately paint the one person
00:07:42.680 who's speaking to the issues that Canadians are really,
00:07:46.280 that Canadians have to face,
00:07:48.580 that politician is Donald Trump,
00:07:51.100 that person is someone that they try and paint as evil.
00:07:55.480 I think you're right.
00:07:56.620 It speaks to this idea that it's not just the opposition,
00:08:01.740 it's not just liberals telling conservatives that they're wrong
00:08:04.560 to be thinking the way that they think
00:08:06.260 or to be taking issue with the issues they care about.
00:08:09.640 It's the journalists as well.
00:08:11.320 And I think that's just only going to lead down the same problems
00:08:14.880 we hear these legacy media journalists talk about so often.
00:08:17.360 How often on the show, Andrew, have we talked about legacy journalists
00:08:20.940 making themselves a story and saying that they're victims
00:08:23.340 from a lot of angry tweets and angry statements
00:08:26.660 and some, I'm sure, are very rude and not appropriate.
00:08:29.640 But when the journalists are the ones that are mocking people
00:08:33.400 who talk about the issues that a lot of Canadians care about,
00:08:37.140 what do you have to say about that?
00:08:38.960 I think it speaks really to this disconnect we always try and highlight on the show
00:08:43.360 that legacy media is just disconnected from a lot of Canadians.
00:08:46.720 And that's become so clear in the first, what has it been,
00:08:50.140 two, three days of Pierre Paulier's leadership of the opposition.
00:08:53.080 It's just been crazy to watch.
00:08:54.820 Yeah, and the issues they do care about and choose to jump up and down on
00:08:59.040 are generally not the ones other Canadians care about.
00:09:02.160 And certainly this was the case during the leadership
00:09:04.780 where it was conservative members who were voting
00:09:06.880 and they weren't interested in the same things
00:09:09.180 that every other CBC journalist was interested in.
00:09:12.120 But even now, so the big Globe and Mail exclusive,
00:09:15.420 in fact, I feel, you know, exclusive doesn't quite do justice
00:09:19.640 to just how groundbreaking this journalism is.
00:09:23.400 Step aside Pulitzer, step aside Nellie Bly, step aside Woodward.
00:09:28.380 The breaking news story, Pierre Paulier, the official opposition leader,
00:09:34.840 is planning to move into the residence reserve
00:09:37.500 for the leader of the official opposition.
00:09:40.000 Like, I'm shocked to my very core
00:09:43.720 that Pierre Paulier is moving into Stornoway.
00:09:46.620 But that's the big Globe and Mail exclusive.
00:09:48.780 I like the quote that his press secretary, Anthony Koch, gave.
00:09:52.440 Of course he will be moving into Stornoway.
00:09:54.460 It's like, yeah, duh, why are you bothering me with this question?
00:09:56.940 Of course he's like, did you ask Justin Trudeau
00:09:58.580 if he was going to move into one of his residences?
00:10:00.360 No, it's, of course he's going to live there.
00:10:02.260 And you can take issue with why are we as a country
00:10:05.300 paying for the leader of the official opposition to have a house?
00:10:08.000 That's a legitimate question.
00:10:09.640 But it's not, like, they're trying to just pigeonhole him.
00:10:12.840 Oh, he talks about the gatekeepers,
00:10:14.440 and he talks about affordability,
00:10:15.820 and he talks about people not having a house,
00:10:17.300 but he's moving into that house. 0.97
00:10:19.900 It's just so ridiculous. 0.94
00:10:22.040 And the way that Globe and Mail framed it 0.98
00:10:24.180 was disingenuous from the start.
00:10:26.160 They try and paint it as though Paulier is, again, as you said,
00:10:29.240 doing something that he isn't supposed to do
00:10:31.260 or is out of step with tradition.
00:10:33.660 I mean, every single opposition leader,
00:10:35.600 even the interim leaders, stayed in Stornoway.
00:10:38.060 And I, for one, actually kind of think that tradition,
00:10:40.660 in this sense, is very important.
00:10:41.900 It's been a week that we've been watching tradition play out in the UK.
00:10:45.780 And these things matter, in my opinion at least, they matter.
00:10:48.860 I want the Prime Minister, for example,
00:10:50.900 not to be living in the, wherever he is, in Rideau Cottage.
00:10:56.020 We have a house for the Prime Minister.
00:10:58.120 That's where I want the Prime Minister to be.
00:10:59.680 I want the leader of the opposition to be in the house
00:11:02.200 that they're supposed to be in.
00:11:03.760 It's tradition.
00:11:05.020 It's what we've been doing in this country.
00:11:06.700 And the headline of Pierre Paulier
00:11:08.560 planned to move into publicly funded Stornoway residents,
00:11:11.060 like, everyone knows it's publicly funded, right?
00:11:13.980 Everyone knows it's paid for by the taxpayer.
00:11:16.180 What a lot of Canadians don't know, however,
00:11:18.040 is I'm pretty sure the figure was $11 million, Andrew.
00:11:21.700 The Prime Minister spent $11 million
00:11:23.980 renovating and upgrading the Prime Minister's cottage,
00:11:27.720 which I, too, also think the Prime Minister should have access to.
00:11:30.620 Again, it's not me taking issue with the properties being there.
00:11:34.660 It's the fact that the media are grasping at thin air here,
00:11:38.900 trying to turn a non-story into something
00:11:42.160 and doing it in the worst way,
00:11:43.940 which is, of course, trying to paint the opposition leader
00:11:46.040 as somebody who doesn't care about the public dollar
00:11:50.680 when all he's doing is doing what his job tells him to do,
00:11:54.380 which is have a house in Ottawa,
00:11:56.800 and it happens to be this one that the taxpayer pays for.
00:11:59.820 It's such a non-story.
00:12:01.560 And it's really disappointing.
00:12:02.800 And actually, to be fair,
00:12:04.780 not something I would have expected to see from the Globe and Mail, 0.97
00:12:07.240 but just ridiculous. 0.94
00:12:08.720 And rightly so. 0.90
00:12:09.760 Anthony Koch, the press secretary,
00:12:11.780 had a great response to it, I think.
00:12:13.300 You just got to laugh at stuff like this.
00:12:16.520 And I don't even know if it's worthy of a response
00:12:18.440 to a journalist writing a story.
00:12:20.380 Yeah, well, no, but you could tell they wanted more
00:12:22.520 because if you read the actual story,
00:12:24.480 it's like they kept asking further questions about it.
00:12:26.960 Like, you know,
00:12:27.680 oh, he didn't respond to the Conservative leader's views on the move.
00:12:31.000 Well, I assume the views on the move are,
00:12:33.000 I've got to get packing because this move is coming up
00:12:35.500 and, you know, other stuff like that.
00:12:37.100 And they claim that this is a lot more controversial
00:12:39.800 than it really is.
00:12:40.800 The word, I want to pull it up exactly.
00:12:43.460 I think it was that it's bedeviled.
00:12:45.200 The issue of whether to move in
00:12:46.960 has bedeviled previous opposition leaders.
00:12:49.360 It really hasn't.
00:12:50.180 They've all moved in.
00:12:51.360 I mean, they've all just like moved in.
00:12:52.880 Even the interim leaders tend to move in
00:12:54.500 because that is what it's there for.
00:12:56.360 And again, if you want to have the discussion
00:12:58.420 that there shouldn't be,
00:12:59.500 someone pointed this out to me the other day,
00:13:01.020 which I don't actually think is wrong,
00:13:02.840 or like an off-base comment that, you know,
00:13:04.640 why do we have for the loser of an election
00:13:06.480 an official residence?
00:13:07.340 That's a fair point.
00:13:08.140 But we do have it.
00:13:09.540 And unless someone's proposing to get rid of it,
00:13:11.800 this is just such a non-issue.
00:13:13.280 But again, par for the course
00:13:15.160 in how these are often trying to portray Pierre Polyev.
00:13:19.840 What else has like irked you this week
00:13:21.680 about the media coverage?
00:13:22.920 Well, one thing that I just found to be very bizarre
00:13:25.180 was this idea that Pierre Polyev
00:13:27.960 is painting the media as the enemy,
00:13:30.000 which is clearly, by the way,
00:13:31.380 a line they're trying to attribute to Pierre Polyev
00:13:34.580 when they know that it's sort of,
00:13:37.340 for some people,
00:13:38.480 it's representative of the Trump era.
00:13:40.120 They want to try and attribute that quote
00:13:41.860 to Pierre Polyev.
00:13:42.780 People are trying to say that
00:13:44.060 Pierre Polyev is calling the media the enemy
00:13:46.240 when he didn't say that at all.
00:13:48.380 So after the David Aiken story,
00:13:50.980 Pierre Polyev wrote a fundraising email
00:13:52.580 off of what had happened.
00:13:53.520 And there's been some criticism of that.
00:13:55.000 I'm not going to really get into that part of it.
00:13:57.560 But it's the reaction to the fundraising email.
00:14:00.100 These journalists, we've got Rachel Gilmore of Global News.
00:14:05.440 We've got Amber Mack, the tech journalist.
00:14:08.600 Amber Mack, for example,
00:14:10.460 basically took the fundraising email
00:14:12.840 that Pierre Polyev wrote to conservatives
00:14:14.460 and wrote,
00:14:15.680 week number one, the media is the enemy.
00:14:17.480 This is a dangerous path,
00:14:18.720 specifically naming a member of the media
00:14:20.180 as the enemy in your email to thousands of supporters.
00:14:22.780 It's pure intimidation by someone
00:14:24.120 who interrupts for a living.
00:14:25.740 The problem is, Andrew,
00:14:27.160 nowhere in that fundraising email
00:14:28.340 did Pierre use the words enemy?
00:14:30.460 He didn't even use the word enemy.
00:14:31.720 He's not pinning the media as the enemy.
00:14:33.320 Yeah.
00:14:33.600 Yeah.
00:14:33.920 How dare you label him as your enemy?
00:14:35.300 I didn't.
00:14:36.100 It's the only...
00:14:36.540 Well, still, you thought about it.
00:14:39.440 Exactly.
00:14:39.960 Like, it's this idea
00:14:41.660 that they don't even have the ammunition.
00:14:43.100 They don't have the right ammunition
00:14:43.960 to go after Polyev for it.
00:14:45.140 So they're making it up.
00:14:46.500 It's crazy.
00:14:49.020 Yeah, that was bizarre.
00:14:50.600 And it's like the script
00:14:52.160 has already been written
00:14:53.300 before the circumstances come up
00:14:55.800 that justify using it.
00:14:57.740 And one way where you saw that
00:14:59.360 was CUPE,
00:15:00.260 which is like the big public sector union,
00:15:02.440 had launched this attack
00:15:04.260 on Pierre Polyev this week
00:15:06.020 that I just want to share.
00:15:07.380 They said,
00:15:07.940 it's too bad
00:15:08.840 that unlike Andrew Scheer,
00:15:10.480 Pierre Polyev does not hold
00:15:11.960 American citizenship
00:15:12.980 because he would be right at home
00:15:14.960 as governor of a state like Alabama.
00:15:16.980 It's like they've already purchased
00:15:18.800 like from, you know,
00:15:19.780 their local, you know,
00:15:20.840 county comedy writer
00:15:21.940 a bunch of jokes
00:15:23.060 that they didn't get to
00:15:23.840 about Andrew Scheer.
00:15:24.660 And now they're like,
00:15:25.380 all right,
00:15:25.640 well, let's just crush out Scheer
00:15:27.500 and write Polyev.
00:15:28.660 It's like they've already determined
00:15:30.580 the line of attack
00:15:31.580 they're going to take
00:15:32.380 and they don't even think
00:15:33.240 about how well
00:15:34.160 or not well
00:15:35.180 this stuff is landing.
00:15:36.640 Yeah.
00:15:36.800 And of course,
00:15:37.400 I'm just going through
00:15:38.560 some of these other 0.91
00:15:39.420 ridiculous takes 0.96
00:15:40.420 and I stumble, 0.94
00:15:41.360 I see this one here
00:15:42.560 from the Toronto Star.
00:15:43.780 Go figure.
00:15:44.760 This is from Bruce Arthur
00:15:46.680 and we at True North
00:15:48.660 get name-dropped
00:15:49.360 in this article, Andrew.
00:15:50.660 Oh, yeah,
00:15:51.080 we get a shout-out.
00:15:52.000 Yes, we do.
00:15:53.040 So, of course,
00:15:54.900 the press pool in Ottawa,
00:15:56.000 they took issue,
00:15:56.680 I think,
00:15:57.000 with the fact that
00:15:57.780 media outlets
00:15:59.020 like True North,
00:16:00.520 like Rebel,
00:16:01.480 they even mentioned
00:16:02.580 the page Ontario Proud.
00:16:04.680 These journalists took issue
00:16:05.660 with the fact
00:16:06.060 that we clipped
00:16:06.820 the interaction,
00:16:09.260 if you want to call it,
00:16:09.780 the heckling
00:16:10.280 from David Aiken.
00:16:11.760 And I just want to read
00:16:12.620 this paragraph
00:16:13.060 because I think it speaks
00:16:13.820 to this idea
00:16:14.620 that we're talking about,
00:16:15.640 this idea that you can
00:16:16.480 just attribute quotes
00:16:17.700 and statements
00:16:18.880 to Pierre Polyev
00:16:20.920 or to media
00:16:21.820 that the legacy media
00:16:22.900 disagree with
00:16:23.460 when we've never said it.
00:16:25.020 So, right here,
00:16:25.540 this quote I find interesting.
00:16:27.100 Polyev seemed to have
00:16:27.880 been thrown off balance.
00:16:28.860 Media dustups
00:16:29.420 happen all the time.
00:16:30.640 They just turn broadcast live.
00:16:32.160 Far-right websites
00:16:33.440 such as The Rebel
00:16:34.460 and True North Center
00:16:35.440 or right-wing influencer
00:16:36.720 Ontario Proud
00:16:37.400 rushed to push out the video.
00:16:39.360 All three,
00:16:40.420 self-servingly,
00:16:41.420 love to say
00:16:42.080 mainstream media
00:16:42.900 is the enemy.
00:16:43.900 That's typical stuff.
00:16:45.200 Funny, Andrew,
00:16:45.860 in that clip,
00:16:46.480 I don't think,
00:16:47.120 in fact,
00:16:47.360 I think we posted it
00:16:48.060 three times,
00:16:48.760 three different angles.
00:16:50.180 Nowhere,
00:16:50.740 I think, Andrew,
00:16:51.380 did we say
00:16:51.960 the media is the enemy.
00:16:52.800 But then again,
00:16:53.240 I guess it doesn't matter.
00:16:55.440 It doesn't matter
00:16:55.920 if it's printed or not.
00:16:56.760 It's attributed to us
00:16:57.920 no matter what.
00:16:59.800 Yeah,
00:17:00.160 and we didn't even
00:17:00.660 really editorialize.
00:17:01.700 We just let, like,
00:17:02.260 David Aiken's conduct
00:17:03.300 and Pierre Polyev's response
00:17:04.820 speak for itself.
00:17:05.740 But, I mean,
00:17:06.280 people see in this
00:17:07.220 what they want to see.
00:17:08.140 Like, people that don't like him
00:17:09.100 are like,
00:17:09.400 oh, he got thrown off balance.
00:17:11.000 Keto Maggie,
00:17:11.700 the pollster,
00:17:12.700 he went on this big,
00:17:13.760 long, like,
00:17:14.240 Twitter rant,
00:17:14.880 which I, like,
00:17:15.360 it took me, like,
00:17:15.860 four times falling asleep
00:17:16.820 before I got to the end.
00:17:17.840 But when I got to the end,
00:17:19.180 his fundamental point
00:17:20.580 was that, you know,
00:17:21.660 Pierre Polyev lost it under,
00:17:23.260 he cracked under pressure.
00:17:24.420 And I'm like,
00:17:24.720 well,
00:17:24.960 the fact that they sent out
00:17:26.480 that clip in a fundraising email
00:17:27.880 suggests they think,
00:17:28.940 you know,
00:17:29.220 Pierre Polyev probably
00:17:30.040 handled himself just fine.
00:17:31.920 Yeah, I think,
00:17:32.540 I think,
00:17:32.980 I think,
00:17:34.280 obviously,
00:17:34.600 that's the way it comes across
00:17:35.680 to the majority of people.
00:17:37.380 I think the clip went viral
00:17:38.420 not because of Polyev's response
00:17:39.880 but because of the behavior
00:17:40.760 of the journalist.
00:17:42.120 And I think,
00:17:42.820 like you said,
00:17:43.520 everyone recognized that.
00:17:44.900 But here's the other thing.
00:17:45.880 So,
00:17:46.420 the media have been taking issue,
00:17:47.960 Andrew,
00:17:48.300 with the fact that Polyev
00:17:50.120 in the media availability,
00:17:51.660 and I know we can call it
00:17:52.480 what we want to call it.
00:17:53.500 I think when you speak to press,
00:17:54.680 a lot of people view that
00:17:55.540 as a press conference
00:17:56.360 without knowing the lingo
00:17:58.080 that is used in the industry.
00:17:59.460 So,
00:18:00.120 people view it as a press conference
00:18:01.380 and they take issue
00:18:02.620 with the fact that
00:18:03.460 Pierre Polyev was not even
00:18:04.980 supposed to take any questions
00:18:06.280 but then he ended up
00:18:06.880 taking only two questions
00:18:08.200 and because of that,
00:18:09.120 the media take,
00:18:09.980 the media gave themselves
00:18:11.280 a pass,
00:18:11.800 I guess,
00:18:12.460 or gave one of their peers
00:18:14.140 a pass
00:18:14.760 to heckle the, 0.95
00:18:16.340 Pierre Polyev over it.
00:18:18.000 But,
00:18:18.320 this is not the first time,
00:18:19.980 this should not come
00:18:20.620 as a surprise,
00:18:21.400 Andrew,
00:18:21.640 because Justin Trudeau
00:18:22.580 has done this many times.
00:18:24.060 Justin Trudeau often puts limits
00:18:25.460 on how many questions
00:18:26.220 he can take
00:18:26.700 or,
00:18:27.340 for example,
00:18:27.820 like he did at one,
00:18:28.440 like he did at one trip,
00:18:29.940 he basically said
00:18:31.020 that any journalist
00:18:31.740 who blurts out a question
00:18:32.800 gets escorted off the property
00:18:34.580 from one of his trips.
00:18:35.380 I think that's what we saw
00:18:36.600 from Justin Brown.
00:18:37.600 That was just in July.
00:18:38.640 It wasn't even like
00:18:39.220 ancient history
00:18:40.240 to go back to that.
00:18:40.720 Exactly,
00:18:40.800 they don't have to go
00:18:41.300 that far back
00:18:41.960 in their newspapers
00:18:43.060 to find out
00:18:44.000 when that occurred.
00:18:44.800 So,
00:18:45.420 again,
00:18:45.880 we shouldn't be expecting
00:18:47.980 journalists 0.97
00:18:49.220 to call balls
00:18:50.060 and strikes
00:18:50.540 the way we'd like them to.
00:18:51.500 I think everyone takes issue
00:18:52.900 and can find issue
00:18:53.880 with that,
00:18:54.340 but at least
00:18:55.200 can we get some consistency,
00:18:56.580 please?
00:18:57.160 This shouldn't have come
00:18:58.120 as some surprise.
00:18:58.900 Justin Trudeau has done
00:18:59.680 this plenty of times.
00:19:01.180 Yeah,
00:19:01.520 and I mean,
00:19:01.880 I don't have to go back
00:19:03.200 that far,
00:19:03.800 I guess,
00:19:04.100 to 2019
00:19:04.720 when the Liberals
00:19:05.740 had police escort me
00:19:07.500 out of a public event.
00:19:08.380 It wasn't even a press event
00:19:09.320 at the time
00:19:09.820 because,
00:19:10.840 you know,
00:19:11.080 they were just concerned
00:19:12.140 that he might be
00:19:13.000 in the vicinity
00:19:13.460 of a tough question.
00:19:14.860 So,
00:19:15.340 it is,
00:19:16.060 you know, 0.98
00:19:16.420 quite ridiculous 0.96
00:19:17.240 how, 0.83
00:19:17.900 and again,
00:19:18.300 I said on my show
00:19:19.240 and I don't want
00:19:19.800 to relitigate the point,
00:19:20.640 I said on my show
00:19:21.100 that I think
00:19:21.480 not taking questions
00:19:23.060 at your inaugural event
00:19:24.820 is a mistake.
00:19:25.720 It's a tactical shortcoming
00:19:27.260 but at the same time
00:19:28.880 that's his call
00:19:30.660 and he's going to make it
00:19:31.740 and his team's going to make it
00:19:32.840 and that's that.
00:19:34.080 But I thought it was just
00:19:34.980 incredibly,
00:19:36.080 incredibly bizarre
00:19:37.340 that this is like
00:19:39.020 the hill to die on
00:19:39.920 for so many of them
00:19:40.680 who then leap to
00:19:41.360 David Aitken's defense.
00:19:42.500 Yeah,
00:19:42.720 defense,
00:19:43.120 even when David
00:19:43.600 apologizes for it
00:19:44.780 when he realizes,
00:19:45.640 yeah,
00:19:45.820 that probably wasn't right.
00:19:47.500 Yeah,
00:19:47.760 and Andrew,
00:19:48.740 there's so much to,
00:19:49.860 there's so much to go over
00:19:50.820 on this sort of week
00:19:52.640 that was in Canadian politics,
00:19:54.560 this major week
00:19:55.840 with Polyev as the new leader.
00:19:57.180 I want to highlight
00:19:57.960 a comment
00:19:59.060 or a tweet thread
00:20:00.020 that we got
00:20:00.560 that we saw
00:20:01.160 from Althea Raj
00:20:02.220 who basically did this,
00:20:05.240 in my opinion,
00:20:06.040 Andrew,
00:20:06.820 shameless defense 0.92
00:20:07.680 of the prime minister, 0.99
00:20:08.840 a completely ridiculous 0.88
00:20:10.820 jump to the defense 0.81
00:20:12.860 of the prime minister
00:20:13.660 while quote tweeting
00:20:15.240 an opposition MP.
00:20:16.420 So,
00:20:17.000 Melissa Lantzman,
00:20:18.680 now the deputy leader
00:20:19.940 of the conservative party
00:20:21.020 under Pierre Polyev,
00:20:22.400 wrote on Twitter,
00:20:23.420 I'm old enough
00:20:23.800 to remember that time
00:20:24.780 when the prime minister
00:20:25.800 called an election
00:20:26.500 and weaponized vaccines
00:20:27.800 calling everyone
00:20:28.640 who disagreed with him 0.64
00:20:29.340 racist and misogynist.
00:20:30.960 We have the French clip, 0.97
00:20:31.880 you've all seen it
00:20:32.420 many times.
00:20:33.920 Althea Raj
00:20:34.640 quote tweeted
00:20:35.660 Melissa Lantzman
00:20:36.720 and wrote,
00:20:37.940 clarification,
00:20:39.100 he didn't call everyone
00:20:39.940 who disagreed with him
00:20:40.720 racist and misogynist, 0.51
00:20:42.060 he was talking about 0.97
00:20:42.920 the aggressive protesters
00:20:44.040 who showed up
00:20:44.580 during the campaign
00:20:45.380 when he said
00:20:46.200 these protesters
00:20:46.960 are people who don't
00:20:48.060 believe in science,
00:20:49.140 who are often
00:20:49.500 misogynistic 0.97
00:20:50.260 and often racist 0.96
00:20:51.360 as well.
00:20:52.380 So again,
00:20:53.280 why would a journalist
00:20:54.560 jump to the defense
00:20:55.840 of the prime minister
00:20:56.560 while quote
00:20:57.360 tweeting an opposition MP?
00:20:58.620 The optics could not
00:20:59.560 have been any worse,
00:21:00.800 Andrew.
00:21:01.280 Yeah,
00:21:01.780 and I think that
00:21:02.600 there was a defense
00:21:05.060 early on
00:21:05.800 because remember
00:21:06.260 when Justin Trudeau
00:21:06.980 made that comment
00:21:07.760 during the election,
00:21:08.620 a lot of people
00:21:09.020 didn't latch on to it.
00:21:10.020 It wasn't until later
00:21:10.900 when in a lot of ways
00:21:12.800 his true colors,
00:21:14.640 his true approach
00:21:15.560 to this had become
00:21:16.180 a lot more apparent
00:21:17.020 and people started
00:21:17.760 looking at it
00:21:18.700 in the broader context
00:21:19.520 and saying,
00:21:19.960 yeah,
00:21:20.120 you really just
00:21:21.300 hate the unvaccinated 1.00
00:21:22.600 and it's all of them.
00:21:23.480 When we said,
00:21:24.120 why do we tolerate
00:21:25.000 these people?
00:21:25.640 He specifically gave
00:21:26.800 the percentage
00:21:27.460 at the time
00:21:28.180 of people
00:21:28.880 that weren't vaccinated.
00:21:29.700 So you can't
00:21:30.380 take away from that
00:21:31.260 that he wasn't
00:21:31.840 talking about
00:21:32.480 the unvaccinated
00:21:33.760 in general
00:21:34.280 who he saw
00:21:34.980 as really being
00:21:35.740 indistinguishable
00:21:36.760 from the people
00:21:38.280 protesting his campaign
00:21:39.640 at the time.
00:21:40.700 No,
00:21:40.860 and it's just
00:21:41.260 bizarre to me
00:21:42.400 that the media
00:21:43.120 or frankly
00:21:44.500 that we're in
00:21:44.920 a climate
00:21:45.320 in which
00:21:45.700 legacy media
00:21:46.740 who know,
00:21:47.500 there's no way
00:21:48.040 that the media
00:21:48.700 don't know
00:21:49.380 the perception
00:21:50.340 that many Canadians
00:21:51.860 have about them.
00:21:52.500 I refuse to believe
00:21:53.500 that there is
00:21:54.340 this level of ignorance
00:21:55.220 in the legacy media
00:21:56.160 where they just think
00:21:57.460 that all Canadians
00:21:59.260 trust them
00:21:59.820 and take for what
00:22:01.960 they say
00:22:02.280 to be absolutely
00:22:03.040 facts.
00:22:04.040 Yeah,
00:22:04.440 I mean,
00:22:04.800 if you're going to
00:22:05.380 go down the road
00:22:06.560 of fact-checking,
00:22:07.480 you really have to
00:22:08.140 be darn sure
00:22:08.760 that you've got
00:22:09.300 the facts.
00:22:09.880 And look,
00:22:10.520 no one can speak
00:22:11.320 to the heart
00:22:12.060 and mind
00:22:12.740 of Justin Trudeau
00:22:14.000 except for him,
00:22:15.680 but I think
00:22:16.260 when you look
00:22:16.600 at that comment,
00:22:17.700 it was not
00:22:18.520 at all something
00:22:19.680 that Melissa Lansman
00:22:20.940 was wrong
00:22:21.440 to take as a broad
00:22:22.280 swipe against
00:22:22.920 the unvaccinated
00:22:24.200 in general.
00:22:25.500 What else?
00:22:25.940 There's so much
00:22:26.760 to be packing
00:22:27.260 into this week,
00:22:27.960 but a lot's happened.
00:22:28.740 What else was
00:22:29.160 on your radar?
00:22:30.480 So we make fun
00:22:31.840 of the media
00:22:32.360 plenty of times.
00:22:33.400 Usually it's
00:22:33.860 for an over,
00:22:34.960 usually it's
00:22:35.600 for bias,
00:22:36.260 usually it's
00:22:36.740 for some sort
00:22:37.980 of attack
00:22:38.700 on conservatives,
00:22:40.080 but rarely,
00:22:40.820 Andrew,
00:22:40.980 does it come down
00:22:41.560 to major errors
00:22:43.240 in either spelling
00:22:44.940 or in factual errors
00:22:48.340 like getting the number
00:22:50.220 wrong beside
00:22:51.260 the new king's name.
00:22:53.040 So CTV News,
00:22:54.360 Vancouver Island,
00:22:55.620 of course,
00:22:56.900 you have to give
00:22:57.740 some leash
00:22:58.260 to these media outlets.
00:22:59.620 Reporting on the Queen's
00:23:00.540 death was very difficult.
00:23:01.880 There was a pressure
00:23:03.720 to get everything right
00:23:04.980 and to get it out
00:23:05.500 quick enough.
00:23:06.380 So of course,
00:23:06.880 there were bound
00:23:07.340 to be some errors.
00:23:08.660 CTV News,
00:23:09.540 Vancouver Island,
00:23:10.440 however,
00:23:10.740 when they announced
00:23:12.560 the death
00:23:12.980 of Queen Elizabeth II,
00:23:14.720 they wrote this
00:23:15.680 on Twitter.
00:23:16.420 A key point
00:23:16.940 to Queen Elizabeth II's
00:23:18.100 legacy is that
00:23:18.680 she ascended
00:23:19.160 to the throne,
00:23:21.180 T-H-R-O-W-N, 1.00
00:23:23.260 when she was only 25
00:23:24.640 and in a male-dominated
00:23:26.040 patriarchy.
00:23:27.280 So, of course,
00:23:29.120 they got the wrong
00:23:29.680 throne there.
00:23:30.620 And then they also
00:23:31.480 talk about the
00:23:32.160 male-dominated patriarchy,
00:23:34.300 which I think
00:23:35.160 doesn't need to be
00:23:35.900 dissected too much
00:23:37.600 to realize
00:23:38.060 what's wrong
00:23:38.700 in that tweet.
00:23:39.660 But it wasn't
00:23:40.240 enough.
00:23:40.760 They hadn't had
00:23:42.200 enough of the,
00:23:43.760 I guess,
00:23:44.280 the mockery
00:23:44.860 from what they
00:23:45.220 were getting
00:23:45.480 in the comments,
00:23:46.260 Andrew.
00:23:46.500 So later,
00:23:48.300 they put out
00:23:49.700 this tweet
00:23:50.240 commenting
00:23:50.760 from this person
00:23:52.980 who I think
00:23:53.480 has a pretty obvious
00:23:54.740 bias against the
00:23:55.980 monarchy.
00:23:56.920 They write this tweet,
00:23:57.800 royal commentator
00:23:59.080 Afua Hagen
00:24:00.140 explains how
00:24:00.900 King Charles II
00:24:02.440 has to address
00:24:03.860 colonialism and
00:24:04.860 even reparations
00:24:05.700 in order to
00:24:06.120 truly modernize.
00:24:07.420 I'm not sure,
00:24:07.940 Andrew,
00:24:08.040 but I think
00:24:08.420 King Charles II
00:24:09.380 died quite a while
00:24:10.620 ago.
00:24:12.220 Yeah, you know,
00:24:13.000 it's going to be
00:24:13.580 very difficult
00:24:14.140 for a guy who
00:24:15.220 died 400 years ago
00:24:16.300 to address
00:24:16.960 colonialism and
00:24:17.700 reparations,
00:24:18.460 but just because
00:24:19.060 it's difficult
00:24:19.500 doesn't mean
00:24:19.900 he shouldn't try.
00:24:21.840 Yeah, I mean,
00:24:22.460 just, just,
00:24:23.120 it was a double
00:24:24.160 whammy on CTV
00:24:25.240 News,
00:24:25.660 Vancouver Island.
00:24:26.360 I guess they're
00:24:27.900 going to have to
00:24:28.320 have a discussion
00:24:29.020 with whoever
00:24:29.500 writes their tweets,
00:24:30.440 types up their
00:24:30.920 tweets.
00:24:31.780 I know we get
00:24:32.580 some things wrong
00:24:33.300 on social media
00:24:34.060 too at True North.
00:24:35.060 We're not perfect.
00:24:35.840 No one's perfect.
00:24:36.900 I think we also
00:24:37.400 have to say that,
00:24:38.200 but in a week
00:24:40.000 in which major
00:24:40.800 transition has
00:24:41.460 been taking place
00:24:42.300 across the
00:24:43.860 Western world,
00:24:45.220 it's a big,
00:24:45.680 major news
00:24:46.320 announcement,
00:24:46.680 the passing of
00:24:47.260 our monarch,
00:24:48.140 our late monarch,
00:24:49.020 Queen Elizabeth II,
00:24:50.300 there's bound to
00:24:51.280 be some errors
00:24:52.340 in there.
00:24:53.140 Those two were
00:24:54.220 quite worthy of
00:24:55.820 highlight.
00:24:56.160 I think,
00:24:56.700 especially coming
00:24:57.220 from the fact
00:24:57.740 that it's the
00:24:58.620 same little
00:24:59.400 outlet on
00:25:00.440 Vancouver Island
00:25:01.200 and it happens
00:25:02.100 to be legacy
00:25:02.780 media.
00:25:03.260 So I'm sure
00:25:03.760 at some point,
00:25:05.080 Andrew,
00:25:05.320 when they realized
00:25:05.940 they had made
00:25:06.260 these mistakes,
00:25:06.960 maybe they thought
00:25:07.480 to themselves,
00:25:08.400 well,
00:25:08.680 Harrison and Andrew
00:25:09.260 are definitely
00:25:09.680 going to hit us
00:25:10.700 on Fake News
00:25:11.500 Friday for this
00:25:12.240 and sure enough,
00:25:12.860 we did.
00:25:13.640 Yeah.
00:25:14.260 I just want
00:25:15.380 CTV to point out
00:25:16.220 the non-male 0.99
00:25:17.020 dominated patriarchy.
00:25:18.400 It's like,
00:25:18.820 oh,
00:25:18.940 this was a really
00:25:19.940 bad patriarchy.
00:25:20.980 It was a male
00:25:21.540 dominated patriarchy
00:25:22.840 as opposed to
00:25:23.320 all those
00:25:23.700 other female 0.99
00:25:25.620 dominated patriarchies
00:25:27.000 which are running
00:25:27.920 around.
00:25:28.400 They're very,
00:25:28.840 I mean,
00:25:29.080 it's 2022,
00:25:30.300 so you can't
00:25:30.720 judge,
00:25:30.980 I guess.
00:25:31.300 But in any
00:25:32.160 case,
00:25:32.440 that is the
00:25:33.020 week that was
00:25:33.900 as far as
00:25:34.360 fake news.
00:25:34.820 My thanks,
00:25:35.300 of course,
00:25:35.580 to Harrison
00:25:36.020 Faulkner,
00:25:36.560 who you can
00:25:36.900 catch every
00:25:37.800 week in his
00:25:38.660 great new
00:25:39.480 show,
00:25:40.080 Ratioed,
00:25:40.680 and hopefully
00:25:41.180 you'll tune
00:25:41.800 into my show,
00:25:42.400 The Andrew
00:25:42.660 Lawton Show,
00:25:43.300 as well.
00:25:44.060 Thank you all
00:25:44.780 for joining us
00:25:45.560 today,
00:25:45.760 and thank you,
00:25:46.160 Harrison.
00:25:46.500 We'll talk
00:25:46.800 to you next
00:25:47.160 week.
00:25:47.680 Thank you,
00:25:48.060 God bless,
00:25:48.440 and have
00:25:48.780 a good
00:25:48.980 weekend.