Juno News - January 06, 2023


Poilievre takes on F*** Trudeau flags


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It's the first Fake News Friday in 2023, and we're kicking things off with a bang. First up on this week's show is a story about why the F.P.A. response to criticism of Justin Trudeau's "Flip or Fluck" flags wasn't enough for the media, and why we need to ask ourselves why people are so angry.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to you all. It is Friday, January 6th, 2023, the first edition of Fake
00:00:18.240 News Friday in 2023. And let me just give you a bit of a teaser here. We are off to a ringing
00:00:24.880 start for the new year. If you missed it, last week we had the Fake News Awards and there were
00:00:31.280 a lot of very strong competitors in 2022. Were they not, Harrison? No, there were, Andrew. And
00:00:36.940 some of the early themes this year are popping up already that we kind of touched on with the
00:00:42.980 Fake News Awards. So we've got a little Pierre Pauliev action in here, some PDS. We've got some
00:00:48.380 CBC returning to their old ways. So I guess the saying is the more they change, the more things
00:00:53.260 stay the same. And it looks like, especially with the CBC, Andrew, that's going to be the way it's
00:00:57.840 going this year. Yeah, I was going to say, can they return to something they've never abandoned
00:01:02.080 in the first place? That's a question for the audience to decide. I'm Andrew Lawton. That was
00:01:07.240 Harrison Faulkner. Let's get right down to business here. One of the stories that came up just, again,
00:01:13.800 we had already hit publish on the Fake News Awards, I believe. And this story came up, so we had to kick
00:01:20.580 it into 2023. Pierre Pauliev had a last minute press conference to respond to, among other things,
00:01:28.000 bail issues in Canada, and specifically that horrific slaying of an OPP officer by allegedly a man who was
00:01:35.240 out on bail and was banned from having firearms, but somehow managed to. And this was something that
00:01:41.260 Pierre Pauliev spoke about. And the media could ask, as they're allowed to, questions on anything and
00:01:47.600 everything. And one of them brought up a question about a blog post written by a former conservative
00:01:53.300 leader, Aaron O'Toole, condemning those F. Trudeau flags. I know you've seen. There were a few of them
00:01:58.540 at the convoy. I've seen them every now and then on trucks and cars driving around. And I've said
00:02:04.380 before, I'm not exactly a fan of incivility in politics or elsewhere. And Pierre Pauliev was asked
00:02:11.940 if he agreed with Aaron O'Toole's condemnation or issues with it. And Pauliev gave what I thought
00:02:18.100 was actually quite a measured and intelligent and thoughtful answer.
00:02:23.500 Well, I don't like the flags. And I don't like rage. But I think we have to ask ourselves,
00:02:30.860 why are people so angry? Like, why are people so angry? And the answer is that they're hurting.
00:02:41.040 You know, it's easy for, you know, the political establishment to say, stop all your complaining.
00:02:48.580 But when you're one of the 1.5 million people that went to a food bank in the month of March,
00:02:54.020 it's not so easy. If you're one of the people that went to the Mississauga food bank and asked
00:02:59.060 for help with medical assistance and dying, not because you're sick, but because you can't afford
00:03:03.000 to live, it's not so easy. If you're one of the 38-year-olds living in your parents' basement
00:03:10.580 because it now takes more of a monthly paycheck to own a house than at any time in recorded history,
00:03:16.900 it's not so easy to be happy with the way things are going. If you're one of the people who was
00:03:24.980 over-prescribed opioids and is now addicted to drugs as a result, it's not so easy to be happy
00:03:31.700 with the way things are going. I have never seen so much hurt and so much pain and suffering
00:03:37.720 in our population in my nearly two decades in politics. So yes, of course, we should tell people
00:03:44.120 to be more civil and to reject offensive signs, flags, and language. But we should also ask ourselves,
00:03:55.540 why are people hurting so badly? So he says right out of the gate, he doesn't like the flags.
00:04:01.520 But he said that it would be incumbent on politicians to ask, why is that anger there to such a point
00:04:07.740 that people are going to fly those flags and use that term? I don't think that diagnosing where anger
00:04:13.140 in the electorate comes from is a bad thing. I think all politicians should be trying to understand 0.99
00:04:17.720 that even if they don't agree with people. Well, what did the media latch in on on this, Harrison?
00:04:24.100 Well, the media, unsurprisingly, decided to say that, well, Pierre Polyev's condemnation
00:04:29.900 of the F. Trudeau flags wasn't enough, Andrew. It just wasn't enough to satisfy the media. Of course,
00:04:38.020 who could have guessed that what they really wanted Pierre Polyev to do was do what countless
00:04:42.360 conservative leaders have done in the past, which is basically, uh, turn around and do and go back
00:04:47.620 to their normal ways of kind of condemning and distancing their own base. Instead, as you pointed
00:04:51.840 out, and as we just watched, Polyev gave a very measured response and said, of course, it's wrong
00:04:56.840 to, you know, have profanity laden flags and bumper stickers and, and kind of inject that into
00:05:02.020 politics. But if you're not, if you're not looking at where that's coming from, then you're not really
00:05:06.300 doing your job as a politician. After all, what are they there for anyway, other than to represent
00:05:10.740 the interests of the people? So classic, this is so classic of city news. They classified this story
00:05:16.520 as local news. Now there's a crisis of local news happening because a lot of these news outlets
00:05:21.340 are failing to cover local stories. But I would, I would say, Andrew, that an article about Polyev
00:05:26.960 not going far enough, not criticizing his base far enough doesn't really fall under local news. In fact,
00:05:32.900 when you only quote a political scientist who is obviously coming from the left side of this
00:05:37.860 discussion, who's obviously coming from a, from a place that is in opposition to Pierre Polyev,
00:05:44.060 again, that can't be local news. Why did that? Why do these legacy media journalists always do this?
00:05:48.320 They always say, well, here's a news piece and all we're going to do is cover one side of the political
00:05:53.020 spectrum, make conservatives look bad. And there you go. That's some local news for you. It's just
00:05:57.520 ridiculous. Yeah. It's what we call in journalism, a single source story and that it relies on the 0.87
00:06:03.720 comments of just one person. In this particular case, the person has no connection to the story
00:06:09.020 whatsoever. It's a political science professor from Mount Royal University, Laurie Williams, who says,
00:06:15.560 quote, Polyev is basically saying it's the fault of the prime minister and a better leader will unite
00:06:21.700 Canadians. But it's not clear to me what Mr. Polyev is doing is in any way uniting Canadians. It looks
00:06:28.060 to me like it's stoking divisions, unquote. So what Professor Williams is saying is that, well, you know,
00:06:34.120 Pierre Polyev is not being a unifier. Well, that again veers in, not veers, it actually just completely
00:06:40.380 Kool-Aid mans through the wall of the territory here of just general political commentary that has
00:06:46.880 nothing to do with F. Trudeau flags, nothing to do with Polyev's comments on the F. Trudeau flags.
00:06:52.400 It's just the professor saying, yeah, you know what, Pierre Polyev, I don't know what he's doing to
00:06:56.560 unite Canadians. And well, no, that all he was saying, and you don't even need to like Pierre
00:07:01.820 Polyev to accept this and understand this is that, hey, I don't like those things. But if we're seeing
00:07:07.660 there's a problem with them, maybe it's helpful to understand why people are upset. Maybe it's
00:07:12.120 helpful to understand what it is in this country that isn't working right now. And the idea that
00:07:16.920 you can just find one person in Canada that doesn't like something and write a story about that.
00:07:22.560 I mean, we've been doing it all wrong. I mean, we could just say, you know, man on Dundas
00:07:26.540 Street doesn't like what Justin Trudeau just said at that press conference.
00:07:30.020 Yeah. And headline is a headline is Canadians can't stand what Justin Trudeau just said when
00:07:34.660 it's just one man on Dundas Street. Yeah, we find two of them and boom, we've got ourselves
00:07:38.220 a story. Canadians, plural. Overwhelming, booming majority. No, exactly. And this political science
00:07:42.800 professor, just in case anyone was, you know, not exactly sure where this professor was coming
00:07:47.520 from on the political spectrum here. She even says that the question needs to be asked,
00:07:53.440 what is it that represents conservatism? Because, oh, well, if Pierre Polyev is not fully denouncing
00:07:58.600 the F Trudeau flags, then maybe that's what represents conservatism. And, and it's just a
00:08:03.380 bizarre, bizarre take. Again, you can't classify this as local news. I'm sorry. Local news is like
00:08:08.600 weather, you know, maybe some bad, maybe some bad criminal act that happened in a local area,
00:08:13.700 but local news can't be a professor from Alberta commenting on a press conference made in Ottawa
00:08:20.100 from basically just using one, one political side of the discussion. It's completely ridiculous. 0.95
00:08:24.800 No wonder there's a crisis in local journalism and local news because goodness gracious, this is 0.90
00:08:29.900 not local news. Yeah. And I think that there was a fair bit of just to take a 30,000 foot view of
00:08:36.340 this, a fair bit of trying to stoke some division between Aaron O'Toole and Pierre Polyev here. I think
00:08:42.780 a lot of people, now that Aaron O'Toole is no longer the conservative leader, he becomes the elder
00:08:47.540 statesman that is the benchmark against which all other conservative leaders should be measured.
00:08:52.420 Same as George Bush was once a war criminal. And then he was that guy, why can't all Republicans
00:08:57.360 be like Stephen Harper was once the, you know, kitten eater of the conservatives. And now he's like,
00:09:03.420 well, why couldn't, you know, why can't all conservatives just be like Stephen Harper? So
00:09:07.140 now Aaron O'Toole is going to be the one that the media goes to for insightful analysis and that what
00:09:13.380 should be the conservative perspective. And I think this was a little bit of a glimpse of that.
00:09:19.140 Let's talk about our old favorite, I don't want to say punching bag on the show because we punch and
00:09:24.620 kick at the bag, but CBC, which ran the most lazy annual journalism that exists in North America. And
00:09:34.800 it's every single year, light clockwork. By 9.43 AM, Canada's richest CEOs have already earned the average
00:09:42.580 workers' annual salary. This is January 3rd. It's a report that again, literally comes out every
00:09:50.540 year. Here's the one in 2022. Here's the one in 2021. Here's the one in 2020. I'm not going to go
00:09:59.640 back, but it's the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, which does this every year. They
00:10:04.160 calculate down to the minute based on the annual income of the average top earning CEOs versus the
00:10:11.260 average income of the average workers. And they try to draw this point that there is tremendous
00:10:16.960 wealth inequality and income inequality, which there is. But let's just point out the problem with this
00:10:24.160 report. You are comparing the top 100 paid CEOs, which is an elite group within an elite group within an elite
00:10:32.880 group, against the general population, as though this is representative of anything other than the
00:10:39.220 obvious point, which is that, hey, high earning CEOs make more than lower paid entry level workers.
00:10:45.700 This is not groundbreaking journalism, but the media goes along with it every single year.
00:10:52.780 It's like you just said, it's super lazy. It takes talking points from the NDP. It's exactly what
00:10:58.400 we've come to expect from the CBC. And we've got many examples later on in the show of just this sort of
00:11:03.420 thing coming from them. But you know that it's, you know, that it's lazy because the same arguments get
00:11:08.000 rolled out over and over and over again. And the article always results in the same conclusion.
00:11:12.740 And I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but too bad. I'm going to anyway, at the end of the article,
00:11:17.200 here it goes right here. Most notably, it suggests imposing a small wealth tax on the rich. So all of
00:11:23.540 this, Andrew, who could have guessed? It's just a boy. It's just a, it's not a, it's the boiled down
00:11:27.880 argument is tax the rich. The rest of it's just fluff about all the top CEOs are making too much money.
00:11:33.420 We're going to get into the details of the compensation structure, but it, it takes straight
00:11:37.640 out of the NDP talking points. Jagmeet Singh tweeted this a couple of days ago, talking about how he's
00:11:43.980 not for the big grocery CEOs. He's not for big oil, not for the super rich and all of that. Of course,
00:11:49.640 here it comes just in time for the CBC annual article. Oh, the top CEOs are making way too much
00:11:55.120 money after 43 minutes of working one day. Oh, it's just ridiculous. Oh, and not to just, 0.92
00:12:00.400 just to add one more point to this, Andrew, the CBC, even though they write the same article every
00:12:05.600 single year, they still managed to get something wrong. They still managed to get something that
00:12:09.100 needed clarification. They put out the story yesterday and they had to update it to include,
00:12:14.220 yes, to include Monday. So they included the Monday paid holiday, which of course they didn't
00:12:19.820 lead within the headline because how better, what, what, what a way to grab clicks, make a juicy
00:12:24.540 headline like that. That isn't even really accurate. So there you go. Just a classic CBC by the book,
00:12:29.480 playbook sort of, sort of thing. And again, lazy journalism, just embarrassing stuff.
00:12:34.940 Yeah. And look, I'm not going to deny that there is significant inequality. In fact, in the pandemic,
00:12:41.120 the executives, the people running these companies got significant bonuses. The stock market did very
00:12:47.480 well, but the real economy for laborers was very difficult and people did lose their jobs. People did
00:12:53.280 lose income. And I don't want to deny that phenomenon here, but the people that raised this
00:12:58.560 don't actually have solutions beyond tax the rich because they actually have an issue with capitalism
00:13:04.680 more than they have an issue with the specific numbers that they're bringing up here. But if we
00:13:09.400 want to be about the numbers here and stick to real news here, here are some numbers from CBC's
00:13:14.360 senior management compensation summary. Now, the last one I found was from 2019 and you can see here,
00:13:20.940 total cash compensation, the president and CEO's range between $430,000 and $563,374. The executive
00:13:33.400 vice president's total cash compensation range is $302,000 to $648,000. And the vice president's range
00:13:43.640 there is $274,000 to $603,990. Now, in the case of both the executive VP and the VP, the range,
00:13:55.480 the top end of the range is more than double the bottom end of the range. So this is, I think,
00:13:59.880 a fair bit illuminating about CBC's precision here on their numbers. But this is, again, what CBC executives
00:14:07.080 are making and the compensation for the average worker, the average private sector worker in 2021
00:14:14.500 was just under $58,500. So that means that CBC's executives are making more than 10 times what the
00:14:23.860 average private sector worker is making, but they don't include that in their story. No, and Andrew,
00:14:29.020 and they also don't include things such as inflation taking up a large chunk of people's earnings and
00:14:35.080 making those earnings appear or actually feel a lot smaller than they appear. That would be a good,
00:14:41.460 worthy piece to add to this article. But of course, no, no, it's just tax the rich, tax the rich,
00:14:45.980 tax the rich. Not so much, hey, here's a solution or here's what the central bank, here's what the
00:14:51.320 government is doing to cause this problem. None of that, of course. It's just, let's go after the big
00:14:55.740 CEOs. They can take it because they make $14 million on average and tax, tax, tax the rich. Lazy,
00:15:01.960 embarrassing stuff. Maybe the CBC should be spending more money on their talent and their
00:15:06.340 journalism than their CEOs, who I guess aren't doing very much these days because like we just
00:15:11.820 see, they're doing the same stuff every year. Well, we know that the public sector was not
00:15:17.940 very much dealing with what the private sector was dealing with as far as the job-related issues.
00:15:23.880 They are still complaining about being asked to go back to work in person. There was a column by
00:15:31.160 Lynn Ward, who is a career public servant. She's worked for the federal government for over 10
00:15:35.700 years. She's taking aim at the quote, one size fits all hybrid work model that the government put in
00:15:43.460 place to demand that employees come back even part-time to the office. And she says for knowledge
00:15:49.740 workers, which is, I guess what is supposed to describe people in the public sector, take from
00:15:54.640 that what you will, there are a lot more pros than cons to working from home. And she says the pandemic
00:15:59.620 gave us the opportunity to rethink our outdated workplace methods like having an office. And she 0.93
00:16:05.740 says, does it really make sense to go back to our old way? She likens it to going back to the horse and
00:16:11.560 carriage for a few days a week when you have the opportunity of the automobile. So, you know, just to give
00:16:19.020 one example here, I file in the course of my work, a lot of access to information requests, which are
00:16:23.620 requests that you can file to gain access to government documents, which are technically the public's
00:16:29.280 documents. And access to information requests have never been slower than they have when employees
00:16:35.640 have been working from home. And they'll be, they'll say, well, you know, we need an extension
00:16:39.660 because that division is not yet in the office. So they don't have access to these records and
00:16:44.060 these files. So the idea that it's somehow more efficient to have everyone working from home,
00:16:50.260 just setting aside your arguments about whether that's preferable, it simply isn't true in a
00:16:55.340 government context. No. And to be fair, this knowledge worker, what's your name again? Lynn
00:17:00.040 Ward. If there was an award for putting everything you could possibly imagine, all these terms, all
00:17:06.940 these, all these words that the far left are using these days to try and bolster their arguments into
00:17:12.100 one article, she would certainly be given that award. I mean, let's just, where do you even start?
00:17:16.980 You've got this triple Demick. She talks about the danger of the triple Demick, 0.70
00:17:21.620 the flu, RSV and COVID. I should note RSV is basically hitting toddlers, right? So, so these
00:17:28.840 knowledge workers at the public service, they're very afraid of this triple Demick of flu, RSV and
00:17:33.280 COVID. Uh, pretty embarrassing. Then she goes to climate change, Andrew. So if you, how could you
00:17:39.220 have guessed that actually a return to work is bad for the climate because you have to take public
00:17:43.240 transit. You have to take a car to work. Oh my goodness. We're not done there though. Take a look
00:17:47.580 at this. She brings in microaggressions as well by being, by working from home. She doesn't have 1.00
00:17:52.060 to face microaggressions in the office. I've faced less harassment and microaggressions by working
00:17:57.160 remotely. I no longer feel like I'm being judged for the clothes I wear or the way I style my hair
00:18:02.540 less focused on my personal physical attributes means more focused on my actual work contributions.
00:18:08.220 And then she writes, we're exhausted. Flexible work arrangements and the ability to work from home
00:18:12.760 has been a savior to reduce daily stressors. Well, I can't imagine how stressful it must
00:18:17.540 be to be a knowledge worker with the public service. What a tough, tough gig they have.
00:18:22.180 But my goodness, the, the prospect of going back to the office, it's just horrifying, Andrew.
00:18:27.760 Now her bio says that she is a member of the LGBTQ plus community. So is she saying that there's
00:18:34.900 like rampant homophobia in the public service that she, well, I serious point if she, cause if that's 0.96
00:18:39.880 the bigger story, if that's what she's experiencing when she has to work in the office is a significant
00:18:45.440 discrimination and microaggressions from her colleagues. But my, my point is like, she's
00:18:50.720 throwing absolutely everything at this just to see what's going to stick. It's like, uh, it's
00:18:55.520 antiquated. It's inconvenient. It's bad for climate change. There's a triple demic and the microaggressions
00:19:01.100 and, uh, you know, the, the Lindbergh baby. And it's like, she's just throwing anything and everything
00:19:05.560 and be like, surely one of these arguments is going to make its way through. Now, full disclosure,
00:19:10.680 I am in my home right now. I work from home. True North doesn't have an office. I am not against
00:19:16.300 work from home. I love it. But I also think that it's your employer that gets to be the one to make
00:19:22.520 that call. If, you know, Candace Malcolm were to say, Hey, everyone's got to come into the office
00:19:26.320 today. And that's the part of the job that we're all doing. And there's a case for why it has to be
00:19:32.300 done. Then that is the prerogative of the employer. And, and, you know, I'm all for trying to find
00:19:38.800 flexibility when flexibility works, but I don't think we can say that it's just a 100% superior
00:19:44.640 thing to have everyone working from home. I know of a number of workplaces where the opposite has
00:19:49.760 been the case. Well, Andrew, also, I'm just going back to the top of this article because I thought
00:19:53.760 to myself, wait a minute in my prep, I did read that this wasn't full-time back to the office.
00:19:58.860 No, it's not. It's like, it's a hybrid. It's a couple of days. It's a couple of days a week.
00:20:04.080 She wrote this entire CBC. What is it? This is an opinion section. So they've gone with the opinion
00:20:08.400 instead of the analysis. I think analysis is reserved for the journalists, right? That's,
00:20:13.340 that's their way of getting around it. But this opinion piece has been written because she has
00:20:18.000 to go back to the office, her and her colleagues. Hold on to your seats here, guys. Two to three days
00:20:23.400 of the week. Hold on. What is it? Yeah. Two to three days a week. So it's not, it's not even all the
00:20:28.880 time, but yet because of this, it's going to increase costs for childcare. Grandparents don't want to have
00:20:33.680 to take on the burden of looking after children. Although all of these knowledge workers, all of these
00:20:38.240 public servants, I'm just going to go and call them knowledge workers from now on because it's
00:20:42.060 just too funny. But they all, they all had no problem working from home or working at the office
00:20:45.920 before COVID. But now of course, the triple demic, the equity, diversity, and inclusion targets,
00:20:51.600 Andrew, climate change. It just can't be done. It just can't be done. So I guess work from home it
00:20:57.200 is. And maybe there'll be like a mutiny in the public sector. They'll just say, we're not going into
00:21:01.300 the office. This hybrid model is not working for us. Just unbelievable.
00:21:04.680 See, yeah, I think the government, I think the government made a mistake here because they're
00:21:09.080 saying when they say come back part-time, the implication there is that, well, it's not really
00:21:14.340 that important. We want you to just phase you back in. They should have said, you know what? Five
00:21:18.060 days a week, come back in. Uh, if that's, that's the most compelling argument for it, because now it's
00:21:22.840 like when they're trying to push this idea of flexibility and hybrid, now people are going to
00:21:26.960 say, well, if it doesn't matter to you, then maybe I should just be home five. Oh gosh. Anyway.
00:21:31.320 All right. We have to end things there, whether you're working from home, working in an office,
00:21:35.720 or you are sunning in Jamaica, like our prime minister. Hope you enjoyed this show and have
00:21:41.540 a fantastic weekend. We will see you next week.