Juno News - December 18, 2023


Poilievre talks immigration, inflation, and ＂radical authoritarian＂ Trudeau in year-end interview


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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show. Brought to you by True North.
00:00:10.520 Hello and welcome to you all. This is the Andrew Lawton Show on True North, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:17.900 We're just a few days away from Christmas, not that far from the end of the year.
00:00:22.200 So it seems like a good opportunity to take stock of how the last year has been, and perhaps a bit of a forward-looking approach on the year ahead.
00:00:30.780 In this particular episode, we're going to do that with none other than Conservative leader Pierre Polyev.
00:00:36.040 This is his first full year as leader of His Majesty's loyal opposition. He was elected leader in September of last year.
00:00:44.300 So he had a few months of runway heading into 2023, and it's obviously been a very busy year.
00:00:49.980 A lot of the issues we've covered on this program, things like inflation, the housing crisis, obviously the war in Israel, are very much top of mind for federal politicians.
00:01:00.720 So it's my great pleasure to welcome back to the program Pierre Polyev, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:01:07.740 Good to speak to you again, Pierre. Thank you.
00:01:08.980 Good to be back. Thank you for having me. Merry Christmas.
00:01:10.880 Thank you, and to yourself as well. So this is, as I mentioned, your first full year in this role.
00:01:16.680 The issues that you've spoken about, about the brokenness of Canada, about people struggling, are these things that you look back on the last year and see as being the same, worse, better?
00:01:28.500 Worse. So I was in this very same room earlier today, and we had a round table with people living in Brampton.
00:01:36.240 I had a grocer tell me that the crime has gotten so bad and so brazen that he has criminals who walk into his grocery store, they fill up their bags with groceries, and just walk out.
00:01:53.000 They don't slip the food into their pocket and slide out the door. They don't feel like they have to anymore.
00:01:58.960 Two of the people at the table said they've had multiple of their personal vehicles stolen.
00:02:05.100 One group actually followed the air tag in their car to the train yard where it had been loaded onto a box, and when they got there, they said,
00:02:16.760 we know that our vehicle is in this shipping container, and CBSA showed up and said, that's not the issue.
00:02:23.540 The issue is you're at this train yard. You're not supposed to be. We're going to give you a fine. They just had their car stolen.
00:02:29.020 But those are just a couple of anecdotes that underlie the facts.
00:02:34.280 Violet crime's up 40 percent. Shootings up 100 percent, while the prime minister bans hunting rifles and sport shooters.
00:02:44.160 And then on the economic side, it's even worse. Housing costs have doubled.
00:02:47.260 Last week, the Bank of Canada said that after eight years of Trudeau, we have the worst housing affordability in 41 years.
00:02:55.080 We've had the second worst deterioration of housing in the entire OECD.
00:03:01.860 It takes 25 years in Toronto to save for a down payment.
00:03:05.200 We used to pay off a house in that time before Trudeau.
00:03:08.800 And of course, now his next big project is to quadruple the carbon tax.
00:03:13.180 So that is the misery that he's putting people through.
00:03:16.880 And in order to clamp down and avoid anybody standing up to him, he's passing censorship laws.
00:03:21.920 He's cracking down on political opponents.
00:03:23.500 And of course, he's taking over the media so that he won't have any contrary voices in the press.
00:03:28.300 You've covered a lot of ground there, but let's start with the carbon tax.
00:03:30.980 Your party staged a little while ago a 30-hour-long filibuster.
00:03:35.480 And I mean, ultimately, it didn't amount to all that much.
00:03:38.300 The carbon tax is still going ahead.
00:03:40.100 But if you're a Canadian who's having to withstand this, and you see this rather fruitless display,
00:03:47.200 and that's not to go away from the fact that you brought attention to it,
00:03:50.440 where is that relief going to come?
00:03:52.340 Because a lot of people can't hold out for another year.
00:03:54.920 A lot of people can't hold out for another few months if they're really struggling.
00:03:58.800 The only relief that people will get is when I become prime minister,
00:04:01.620 because I will axe the tax, and that will lower the cost of heat, gas, and groceries.
00:04:06.320 It will reduce the cost for our farmers.
00:04:08.820 I was asking Trudeau the other day about a farmer in my riding who's spending $100,000 a year on carbon tax.
00:04:15.500 And this is now.
00:04:16.600 He plans to quadruple the tax, so it would be $400,000.
00:04:20.200 And you don't think that's appearing on your grocery bill?
00:04:23.160 Of course it is.
00:04:23.780 The farmer has to pass it along.
00:04:25.300 So a poly of government will axe the tax.
00:04:27.860 It will be one of the first things I do when I form government.
00:04:30.180 And the next election will be the carbon tax election.
00:04:34.680 So take your pick, folks.
00:04:36.160 Either you quadruple the tax with Trudeau or you axe the tax with me.
00:04:40.400 When you talk about housing, the numbers speak for themselves here.
00:04:43.780 We've got a country that is building 210,000 to 230,000 houses a year.
00:04:49.700 We have seen some recent numbers that suggest there's a slowdown taking place as recently as this morning.
00:04:55.220 You also then juxtapose that with immigration.
00:04:57.460 And we have 500,000 permanent residents coming in a year over the next three years.
00:05:02.080 Plus, on top of that, temporary foreign workers, international students.
00:05:06.160 Do you accept that immigration is inflaming the housing crisis?
00:05:11.280 Well, it's very simple math.
00:05:13.160 If you have more families coming than you have houses for them, it's going to inflate housing prices.
00:05:20.260 It's no question about it.
00:05:22.980 I don't even think the liberals are now seeming to acknowledge that themselves.
00:05:27.060 So my common sense plan is to link immigration numbers to home building numbers.
00:05:34.640 And that is how you're going to restore housing affordability.
00:05:38.780 Look, we built fewer homes in last year than we built in 1972.
00:05:44.520 In 50 years, we're building less homes.
00:05:47.000 In 72, we had a population of 22 million people.
00:05:50.440 Now we have a population of 39 million.
00:05:52.880 We have to build something in the neighborhood of 450,000 to 500,000 homes a year
00:05:59.380 just to maintain the current level of affordability at today's immigration rates.
00:06:05.280 We're building less than half of that.
00:06:06.960 We should actually be able to build more than 50,000 homes.
00:06:10.200 If you think about it, we built half that amount back in 50 years ago when our population was half,
00:06:17.080 like just by on a per capita basis.
00:06:18.560 We have the land labor and the lumber to do it.
00:06:20.880 But we have to get the massive bureaucracy out of the way to speed up permits and prove more building.
00:06:27.320 And that's what I'm going to do by requiring cities that permit 15% more housing per year as a condition of getting federal funding,
00:06:34.480 selling off thousands of acres of federal land and 6,000 federal buildings,
00:06:38.720 and requiring transit stations be pre-permitted for high-density apartments all around them.
00:06:45.820 To name a few of my common sense plans, we're going to get the bureaucrats out of the way and get the builders to work.
00:06:50.960 On immigration, it isn't just housing that needs to be taken into consideration.
00:06:55.020 It's also jobs, social services, just geography here.
00:06:58.720 So knowing what you know about the country, do you think those targets from the liberal government are too high,
00:07:03.640 that 500,000 per year target?
00:07:06.080 Well, it's not 500.
00:07:07.200 As you know, it's 1.2 million now.
00:07:09.520 The answer is that we have to bring the numbers in line with the number of houses that are built.
00:07:16.580 The growth in immigration should not exceed the amount of housing stock we add,
00:07:22.680 the number of doctors we add, and the available jobs.
00:07:26.660 But if you were prime minister now, what would that number be?
00:07:28.720 What would your projection be?
00:07:30.220 I don't have a target for this year, but what I would say is when I launch my platform,
00:07:35.340 it will explicitly link the population growth to the growth in the housing stock,
00:07:43.840 to the growth in the number of doctors and nurses, and to the availability of jobs.
00:07:48.700 So it could be lower.
00:07:49.600 It will be mathematically driven, not by arbitrary targets to generate virtue signaling headlines,
00:07:57.040 as we have right now.
00:07:58.080 It will be mathematically driven by the growth in the housing stock,
00:08:01.800 the growth in the supply of doctors and nurses to treat people,
00:08:05.980 and the availability of jobs.
00:08:07.660 But if I were to say to you just the number,
00:08:09.460 a term that you yourself have used in exchanges of this, you can't give one.
00:08:13.480 Well, of course, I can't because I'll be forming government at this rate in 2025,
00:08:19.740 and we'll have to set the numbers based on the conditions in that year.
00:08:24.400 When you look at population growth in Canada,
00:08:27.100 we have a birth rate, which is, I think, around 1.40 right now.
00:08:31.520 Do you think that is a problem, or do you think that's just the fact,
00:08:34.840 and a government has to adapt to that?
00:08:37.280 It is a problem that is a symptom of the housing crisis.
00:08:42.020 It's very simple.
00:08:43.400 If you can't afford a house until you're 42 years old,
00:08:47.360 well, let's be blunt, a woman's biological clock is almost run out by that time.
00:08:52.140 And so even couples that want kids say, where do we put them?
00:08:58.340 We're not going to have kids in our parents' basements.
00:09:00.460 We can't raise them in a 400-square-foot rental apartment.
00:09:04.740 So where are we going to put the kids that we want to have?
00:09:07.780 And they right now say there's nowhere to put them
00:09:10.400 because there's no home to live in.
00:09:11.700 So when we fix the housing crisis,
00:09:13.500 we'll give people the freedom to make their own decisions about children
00:09:17.940 on their time frame.
00:09:20.000 Immigration Minister Mark Miller this week proposed a path to amnesty
00:09:24.500 for people who are in the country illegally.
00:09:27.120 Would that be something you would entertain as Prime Minister?
00:09:30.060 I support lawful immigration.
00:09:31.700 People have to come in the right way.
00:09:34.060 We can't have a systematic illegal immigration
00:09:37.580 as the Liberals presided over with the rocks and road
00:09:42.620 that they persisted for many, many years
00:09:44.980 and other forms of illegal entry.
00:09:48.360 It causes chaos in the system.
00:09:51.920 And it also creates resentment among the people
00:09:55.780 who actually follow the rules.
00:09:57.420 So when I'm Prime Minister, we'll restore lawful immigration
00:10:00.260 and we'll make sure there are no perverse incentives
00:10:02.360 for people to break the law to get in.
00:10:04.480 Which, don't apple me for misrepresenting what you're saying,
00:10:07.800 but are you saying no amnesty?
00:10:09.140 Well, I think what he's saying is he wants a path to permanency.
00:10:14.800 I think permanency should be given to people who come here lawfully,
00:10:19.540 not to people who deliberately broke the rules to be in the country.
00:10:26.900 To go to inflation, which has become an issue,
00:10:29.300 well, not become an issue, you were talking about it before anyone was,
00:10:32.400 and I think it probably frustrated you a great deal
00:10:34.300 that no one was heeding that call.
00:10:36.520 There are Canadians who are struggling,
00:10:39.040 and I know you've heard from them, you've spoken to them,
00:10:41.240 and people who, to use your phrase, are hanging on by a thread.
00:10:44.920 How much does it weigh on you
00:10:46.800 that so many people are just desperate for a fix?
00:10:50.780 You can't save everyone,
00:10:52.460 and that's not your job to save every individual person,
00:10:54.840 but how do you grapple with that challenge,
00:10:56.960 hearing these stories and those photo lines you do?
00:10:59.200 Oh, it's incredible.
00:11:00.620 And the stories that I hear,
00:11:03.480 they get worse and worse every day.
00:11:05.040 And whether it's people who are now living in their cars
00:11:09.080 or are moving into tent encampments,
00:11:12.800 or if it's people who are literally just, you know,
00:11:16.220 during the leadership race,
00:11:17.680 I had people I would call,
00:11:19.500 because when I was in the long drives,
00:11:21.180 I'd call potential members,
00:11:22.760 and they would say,
00:11:23.500 I'd join, but I don't have $15.
00:11:28.120 And then they clarified, they meant by that,
00:11:31.180 they weren't speaking figuratively.
00:11:32.880 Like, some of them would say,
00:11:33.740 I don't own $15.
00:11:35.980 Like, I have $35 of gas in my tank,
00:11:40.540 and I have $6.23 in my bank account,
00:11:44.500 and I don't know where my next meal is coming from.
00:11:46.960 But inflation always does this
00:11:48.840 because it's a huge wealth transfer
00:11:51.520 from the working poor to the super rich.
00:11:54.700 The working poor have their wages
00:11:56.200 and their very little limited savings
00:11:58.460 eaten up by inflation.
00:12:00.360 And the super rich, of course,
00:12:01.640 get richer because their assets inflate.
00:12:04.200 And so even though the national balance sheet
00:12:07.440 doesn't show it,
00:12:08.660 there's people who are just getting clobbered.
00:12:10.700 And that's why we have to bring back hard money,
00:12:14.040 sound money,
00:12:15.280 a solid financial,
00:12:16.900 a solid monetary approach
00:12:18.680 that seeks to slow stable prices
00:12:21.080 rather than money printing for political spending.
00:12:24.700 How quickly can that ship be turned around, though?
00:12:27.280 I mean, you've seen the deficit figures alone.
00:12:29.140 I mean, this is not something,
00:12:30.180 could you even balance a budget in a four-year mandate?
00:12:32.700 That's a good question.
00:12:33.860 I want to see the finances, you know,
00:12:36.860 the challenge,
00:12:38.080 I'm not trying to be evasive,
00:12:39.160 but let me just give you an example
00:12:40.520 of my problem in projecting that now.
00:12:43.100 In the last year alone,
00:12:45.060 like Trudeau had us balancing the budget in 2028,
00:12:47.580 but in the last year alone,
00:12:49.060 he's added so much brand new spending
00:12:51.260 that he's now admitted on his current track,
00:12:53.840 we will never balance the budget.
00:12:54.960 And he's added $100 billion
00:12:56.300 to the fiscal framework over the last year.
00:13:00.140 So he's got two more years to go.
00:13:02.680 When I get to an election,
00:13:04.740 presumably in fall 2025,
00:13:07.060 I don't know how big the mess will be.
00:13:09.380 And therefore, I can't promise today
00:13:11.120 how long it will be for me to clean it up.
00:13:13.240 But what I can tell you
00:13:14.280 is that we'll be cutting waste
00:13:15.480 by shutting down the infrastructure bank,
00:13:18.060 the $54 million Arrive Can app,
00:13:20.600 the green slush funds,
00:13:22.260 defunding the CBC,
00:13:24.020 and we'll bring in a dollar-for-dollar law,
00:13:26.040 common-sense law requiring my ministers
00:13:27.960 to find a dollar savings
00:13:29.160 for every new dollar spending.
00:13:31.160 That combined with a pro-growth,
00:13:33.520 pro-resource development policy
00:13:35.520 that will generate organic tax revenues
00:13:38.420 without tax increases
00:13:40.080 will help us balance the budget.
00:13:43.260 The time frame,
00:13:44.440 you'll have to wait to my platform to see it.
00:13:47.020 What is it that you think
00:13:49.580 is going to be the biggest challenge
00:13:51.840 in building the conservative base?
00:13:54.260 Because I think in your leadership,
00:13:55.240 we saw you bring in people
00:13:56.560 that were not politically engaged previously,
00:13:59.000 were not conservatives previously.
00:14:00.220 A lot of the things you talk about
00:14:01.980 when you discuss wealth transfer and inequality,
00:14:04.160 these are talking points
00:14:05.600 that wouldn't have been out of place
00:14:06.680 from Jack Layton back in the day.
00:14:08.220 But what is that hurdle going to be for you
00:14:11.380 in getting people
00:14:12.360 who are not aligning themselves
00:14:14.300 with the word conservative
00:14:15.460 or the conservative party,
00:14:16.720 but you think will go along with your vision?
00:14:20.160 I think it's connecting with people
00:14:22.580 who are small C conservatives
00:14:24.460 and turning them into big C conservatives.
00:14:26.740 Jason Kenney used to say this all the time.
00:14:28.820 And so, you know,
00:14:30.120 I was meeting with a group
00:14:31.280 from the Tamil community today
00:14:32.900 and they basically said,
00:14:34.820 we're conservative on everything,
00:14:36.140 family values,
00:14:37.400 they all run small businesses,
00:14:39.100 they want law and order in their community,
00:14:41.020 and they're heavily patriotic.
00:14:43.940 But the party hadn't built a relationship
00:14:47.480 with their community.
00:14:48.400 So I have to go in one by one
00:14:50.500 and make the friendships
00:14:51.500 and the relationships
00:14:52.620 look people in the eye
00:14:54.200 and make that personal connection
00:14:57.280 so that they can vote their values,
00:14:59.180 which are all conservative.
00:15:01.220 The other thing about our coalition
00:15:02.620 is that there's not going to be
00:15:04.120 a liberal party in the next election.
00:15:06.180 Justin Trudeau, of course,
00:15:07.040 he's not a liberal.
00:15:08.020 He is a radical authoritarian.
00:15:09.780 He's the opposite of liberal.
00:15:11.280 He's very illiberal.
00:15:12.620 And so I'm going to be going
00:15:13.360 to a lot of liberal voters
00:15:14.820 and say this is not the party
00:15:16.060 of Gretchen, Manley, Martin.
00:15:18.040 This is a radical authoritarian diversion
00:15:21.360 that you've never seen before
00:15:22.740 and that you don't recognize.
00:15:24.120 And let's vote for what was
00:15:25.960 the common sense consensus of Canada
00:15:28.000 before he came along.
00:15:30.960 The last, I mean,
00:15:31.900 this year has ended
00:15:32.880 on a very unpleasant note
00:15:35.500 for members of the Jewish community
00:15:36.800 who have seen not just
00:15:37.680 the attacks on Israel in October,
00:15:39.080 but the continued scourge
00:15:40.840 of anti-Semitism.
00:15:42.180 And your party
00:15:43.760 and the liberals
00:15:44.880 and the NDP
00:15:45.840 were effectively in lockstep
00:15:47.920 in those first few days
00:15:49.080 in condemning the attacks.
00:15:50.440 And we've seen
00:15:51.360 that consensus fracture
00:15:52.940 the longer this has gone on.
00:15:54.420 We've seen the government
00:15:55.160 equivocating on its support
00:15:56.620 for Israel
00:15:57.080 and its condemnation of Hamas.
00:15:59.960 One rather symbolic
00:16:01.860 but very real gesture
00:16:03.040 that members of the Jewish community
00:16:04.560 have always sought
00:16:05.880 is a relocation
00:16:06.780 of the Canadian embassy
00:16:07.620 from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
00:16:09.160 Are you still committed
00:16:09.720 to doing that?
00:16:11.080 Right now,
00:16:11.900 I think the focus
00:16:12.880 just needs to be
00:16:13.600 on beating Hamas.
00:16:15.340 There's no question
00:16:16.280 that Jerusalem
00:16:16.920 is the capital of Israel.
00:16:18.320 It's where the Knesset
00:16:19.020 is located.
00:16:19.760 It's where their
00:16:20.220 Supreme Court is located.
00:16:22.800 We have to defeat Hamas
00:16:24.300 to bring peace
00:16:25.340 to the region.
00:16:26.620 And that will be
00:16:27.160 my singular focus
00:16:28.300 when it comes
00:16:30.000 to the Israel-Palestinian
00:16:31.980 issue right now.
00:16:34.020 So you won't commit
00:16:34.680 to an embassy relocation?
00:16:35.900 Right now,
00:16:36.920 my focus is on
00:16:37.840 let's stick beside
00:16:39.040 the effort
00:16:39.600 of beating Hamas
00:16:40.940 in this conflict
00:16:42.620 and we'll decide
00:16:44.880 in the future
00:16:46.460 what we do
00:16:47.120 on that issue
00:16:48.960 of the embassy.
00:16:50.260 But we do recognize
00:16:51.600 that Israel's capital
00:16:53.320 is Jerusalem
00:16:54.320 and that,
00:16:56.500 you know,
00:16:57.040 regardless of how
00:16:57.820 that conflict
00:16:58.800 is one day settled
00:17:00.140 and I hope it will be,
00:17:01.660 Israel will be present
00:17:03.540 in its capital
00:17:05.280 which is Jerusalem
00:17:06.700 and that doesn't mean
00:17:07.560 that Muslims
00:17:09.560 and Christians
00:17:10.300 will not have
00:17:11.200 equal access
00:17:12.340 to their holy sites
00:17:13.420 but the reality
00:17:15.100 is that that is
00:17:15.980 the capital
00:17:16.480 of Israel.
00:17:18.480 But on the broader
00:17:19.500 issue you raised,
00:17:20.560 I think we've been
00:17:21.240 very consistent.
00:17:22.040 We've been clear
00:17:23.220 with both sides
00:17:24.380 and we say the same thing
00:17:25.320 in both rooms.
00:17:26.760 You know,
00:17:27.080 we believe that
00:17:27.920 Hamas has to be,
00:17:29.280 has to surrender,
00:17:31.060 disarm,
00:17:32.380 and turn over
00:17:33.140 the hostages
00:17:34.100 before this can be resolved
00:17:36.360 and Justin Trudeau,
00:17:38.000 he believed in the same thing
00:17:39.420 until he said he was
00:17:40.620 against a ceasefire
00:17:41.500 and then there was
00:17:42.340 a story that broke
00:17:43.100 that he was losing donors
00:17:44.080 over that.
00:17:45.800 So then what did he do?
00:17:47.200 He flip-flopped
00:17:48.680 and went to the other extreme
00:17:49.920 where he said
00:17:50.580 Hamas could effectively
00:17:51.480 keep the hostages.
00:17:54.140 And then he sent out
00:17:55.640 his liberal MPs
00:17:56.780 from predominantly
00:17:58.180 Jewish ridings
00:17:59.060 and told them
00:18:00.140 to say that
00:18:00.660 they disagreed with him
00:18:02.020 so that he could
00:18:02.560 continue to say
00:18:03.260 one thing
00:18:04.260 to the Jewish community
00:18:05.800 and a completely
00:18:06.460 different thing
00:18:07.300 to everyone else.
00:18:08.860 And our approach
00:18:09.700 is it's more principled,
00:18:10.940 it's more difficult
00:18:11.580 to take a consistent line
00:18:13.980 no matter where you go
00:18:15.080 but I'm proud of the fact
00:18:16.420 that we've had
00:18:16.920 integrity on the issue.
00:18:18.160 Some Jewish groups
00:18:18.940 in Canada
00:18:19.480 have expressed
00:18:20.720 their support
00:18:21.440 for online hate
00:18:23.120 speech regulations
00:18:24.060 which I'm sympathetic to
00:18:25.680 because they understand
00:18:26.680 anti-Semitism
00:18:27.300 is a big threat.
00:18:28.180 Now I'm a big believer
00:18:29.440 in free speech,
00:18:30.040 you've always taken
00:18:30.840 that position.
00:18:32.100 What is your approach
00:18:33.540 to if there is
00:18:34.560 a balancing
00:18:35.820 that needs to be done here
00:18:36.820 of on one hand
00:18:37.540 dealing with this
00:18:38.200 very real phenomenon
00:18:39.120 on the other hand
00:18:39.800 protecting free speech
00:18:40.860 with a liberal government
00:18:41.780 that very much
00:18:43.500 and has committed
00:18:44.180 to regulating
00:18:45.160 what it calls
00:18:46.020 hate speech online?
00:18:48.060 The problem they have
00:18:48.660 is they can't differentiate
00:18:49.780 between hate speech
00:18:51.460 the liberals
00:18:52.280 I mean the liberals
00:18:52.940 cannot differentiate
00:18:53.780 between hate speech
00:18:55.560 and speech they hate
00:18:56.980 and there's a big difference
00:18:59.140 right?
00:19:00.060 We also have to figure out
00:19:01.700 who would they put in charge?
00:19:03.140 Who would be
00:19:03.400 the hate speech czar?
00:19:04.560 Remember it wasn't long ago
00:19:06.440 that a school board
00:19:08.600 in I think it was Mississauga
00:19:10.020 took Anne Frank
00:19:11.500 out of the library
00:19:12.680 because that was
00:19:13.480 somehow hateful
00:19:14.460 because she was
00:19:15.280 she wrote her
00:19:15.880 the book was written
00:19:17.900 before I think 1980
00:19:19.240 or something
00:19:20.020 and everything before
00:19:20.740 then is hateful
00:19:21.500 so you know
00:19:23.780 the liberals funded
00:19:24.680 an actual anti-Semite
00:19:26.600 in the name
00:19:27.600 of fighting racism
00:19:28.760 so we have to be
00:19:30.360 very careful
00:19:30.920 about giving any
00:19:31.860 state czar
00:19:33.940 the ability
00:19:35.000 to define
00:19:35.760 what he or she
00:19:36.860 thinks is hate
00:19:38.580 because we might
00:19:39.620 end up being
00:19:40.080 very surprised
00:19:41.000 with their definition
00:19:42.520 and people who push
00:19:44.280 for this kind of
00:19:45.280 law might wake up
00:19:47.800 one day and say
00:19:48.300 holy smokes
00:19:49.220 now I'm the one
00:19:50.380 I was trying to stop
00:19:51.540 genuine hate
00:19:52.940 but now I'm the one
00:19:54.060 who's being censored
00:19:55.400 so that's the risk
00:19:57.440 there is
00:19:58.240 for me the line
00:19:59.220 is this
00:19:59.700 you can have any
00:20:02.060 political opinion
00:20:02.740 you want
00:20:03.320 but we recognize
00:20:04.880 in law
00:20:05.620 that there are
00:20:06.300 crimes related
00:20:07.780 to the utterances
00:20:08.500 of words
00:20:09.160 like if someone
00:20:10.220 goes out and says
00:20:11.020 that tells a
00:20:12.180 thug on the streets
00:20:13.860 that they should
00:20:14.400 knock off
00:20:15.880 Andrew Lawton
00:20:17.560 and uses words
00:20:20.320 to bring that
00:20:21.020 action into motion
00:20:21.840 he can be charged
00:20:23.360 don't give him ideas
00:20:24.620 I won't give him
00:20:25.740 any ideas
00:20:26.180 it might have
00:20:27.040 happened already
00:20:27.640 but you've dodged
00:20:28.240 all the bullets
00:20:28.800 as Churchill said
00:20:30.260 there's nothing
00:20:30.860 more thrilling
00:20:31.380 than to be shot
00:20:32.020 at with no effect
00:20:32.740 or if someone
00:20:35.960 utters a threat
00:20:36.680 it's just a word
00:20:38.200 that is a crime
00:20:39.220 so likewise
00:20:40.320 if someone goes out
00:20:41.400 and tells people
00:20:43.880 to attack
00:20:44.760 violently attack
00:20:45.980 a particular
00:20:46.760 identifiable group
00:20:48.100 that is a crime
00:20:49.360 that is distinct
00:20:50.780 from expressing
00:20:53.100 a political
00:20:54.080 viewpoint
00:20:55.160 that is objectionable
00:20:56.940 to some
00:20:57.320 and that's the line
00:20:58.120 that we need
00:20:58.720 to keep
00:20:59.440 in order to protect
00:21:00.700 our freedom
00:21:01.300 and our security
00:21:02.200 at the same time
00:21:02.940 you've mentioned
00:21:03.660 a couple of times
00:21:04.300 2025
00:21:04.900 as being the point
00:21:06.480 at which you'll become
00:21:07.180 I was going to ask
00:21:07.820 what's your prediction
00:21:08.820 do you think it will be
00:21:09.820 do you think that coalition
00:21:10.860 will hold
00:21:11.220 look I think Jagmeet Singh
00:21:12.300 needs to qualify
00:21:13.420 for his pension
00:21:14.140 and so he's holding on
00:21:16.500 for that pension
00:21:17.200 right
00:21:17.720 he's in it
00:21:20.100 for the pension
00:21:21.640 and the perks
00:21:22.700 he's shown that
00:21:24.040 he's sold his principles
00:21:25.320 to keep Trudeau in power
00:21:26.520 he's helped Trudeau
00:21:27.240 double housing costs
00:21:28.940 quadruple
00:21:30.040 the carbon tax
00:21:31.540 unleash crime
00:21:32.380 and chaos
00:21:32.960 in our communities
00:21:33.680 and he seems to be
00:21:34.780 comfortable
00:21:35.820 to keep doing that
00:21:37.000 so
00:21:37.360 until such time
00:21:38.960 as Jagmeet Singh
00:21:40.100 remembers who he
00:21:41.860 actually works for
00:21:42.880 we're stuck
00:21:43.960 with this
00:21:45.120 radical
00:21:46.080 authoritarian
00:21:46.860 Trudeau government
00:21:48.060 it's the holiday season
00:21:49.300 I wanted to end
00:21:49.920 on a bit of a lighter
00:21:50.820 note here
00:21:51.180 what Polyev Christmas
00:21:52.640 traditions have you
00:21:53.440 brought to Stornoway
00:21:54.420 well we
00:21:55.760 last one
00:21:56.960 the last one
00:21:57.520 was a little bit
00:21:58.060 too chaotic
00:21:58.840 for a lot of traditions
00:21:59.820 but we want to get back
00:22:00.800 to the moose melt
00:22:01.540 my wife has a beautiful
00:22:02.980 moose melt
00:22:03.600 concoction
00:22:05.100 and it's the most delicious
00:22:06.700 it's better than Bailey's
00:22:07.900 and we made it
00:22:08.940 at our home
00:22:09.420 in Greeley
00:22:09.860 and Pub made a video
00:22:10.740 of it
00:22:11.080 and we're hoping
00:22:11.860 to make a lot
00:22:12.600 of those mixes
00:22:13.280 throughout the holiday
00:22:15.020 season
00:22:15.520 and it'll be
00:22:17.240 this is the first
00:22:17.980 Christmas where my
00:22:18.940 little guy can
00:22:19.720 actually understand
00:22:20.800 Santa Claus
00:22:21.540 and Christmas trees
00:22:22.380 and stuff
00:22:22.820 so he's learning
00:22:24.320 all about trees
00:22:25.300 and Santa coming
00:22:26.120 down the
00:22:26.760 the chimney
00:22:28.120 and the birth
00:22:30.440 of Jesus
00:22:30.880 and all the great
00:22:31.800 traditions that we
00:22:32.960 pass on
00:22:33.520 so we're
00:22:34.280 looking forward
00:22:35.120 to a relaxing
00:22:35.800 Christmas
00:22:36.700 and I hope you
00:22:37.200 have one too
00:22:37.800 likewise
00:22:38.320 Pierre Polyev
00:22:38.840 Merry Christmas
00:22:39.400 thank you
00:22:39.820 Merry Christmas
00:22:40.060 to you
00:22:40.560 thank you
00:22:41.340 that was
00:22:41.880 Conservative Party
00:22:42.740 of Canada
00:22:43.220 leader
00:22:43.680 Pierre Polyev
00:22:44.620 for a year
00:22:45.560 end interview
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