Juno News - Poilievre talks immigration, inflation, and ＂radical authoritarian＂ Trudeau in year-end interview

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show. Brought to you by True North.

00:00:10.520 Hello and welcome to you all. This is the Andrew Lawton Show on True North, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:17.900 We're just a few days away from Christmas, not that far from the end of the year.

00:00:22.200 So it seems like a good opportunity to take stock of how the last year has been, and perhaps a bit of a forward-looking approach on the year ahead.

00:00:30.780 In this particular episode, we're going to do that with none other than Conservative leader Pierre Polyev.

00:00:36.040 This is his first full year as leader of His Majesty's loyal opposition. He was elected leader in September of last year.

00:00:44.300 So he had a few months of runway heading into 2023, and it's obviously been a very busy year.

00:00:49.980 A lot of the issues we've covered on this program, things like inflation, the housing crisis, obviously the war in Israel, are very much top of mind for federal politicians.

00:01:00.720 So it's my great pleasure to welcome back to the program Pierre Polyev, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:01:07.740 Good to speak to you again, Pierre. Thank you.

00:01:08.980 Good to be back. Thank you for having me. Merry Christmas.

00:01:10.880 Thank you, and to yourself as well. So this is, as I mentioned, your first full year in this role.

00:01:16.680 The issues that you've spoken about, about the brokenness of Canada, about people struggling, are these things that you look back on the last year and see as being the same, worse, better?

00:01:28.500 Worse. So I was in this very same room earlier today, and we had a round table with people living in Brampton.

00:01:36.240 I had a grocer tell me that the crime has gotten so bad and so brazen that he has criminals who walk into his grocery store, they fill up their bags with groceries, and just walk out.

00:01:53.000 They don't slip the food into their pocket and slide out the door. They don't feel like they have to anymore.

00:01:58.960 Two of the people at the table said they've had multiple of their personal vehicles stolen.

00:02:05.100 One group actually followed the air tag in their car to the train yard where it had been loaded onto a box, and when they got there, they said,

00:02:16.760 we know that our vehicle is in this shipping container, and CBSA showed up and said, that's not the issue.

00:02:23.540 The issue is you're at this train yard. You're not supposed to be. We're going to give you a fine. They just had their car stolen.

00:02:29.020 But those are just a couple of anecdotes that underlie the facts.

00:02:34.280 Violet crime's up 40 percent. Shootings up 100 percent, while the prime minister bans hunting rifles and sport shooters.

00:02:44.160 And then on the economic side, it's even worse. Housing costs have doubled.

00:02:47.260 Last week, the Bank of Canada said that after eight years of Trudeau, we have the worst housing affordability in 41 years.

00:02:55.080 We've had the second worst deterioration of housing in the entire OECD.

00:03:01.860 It takes 25 years in Toronto to save for a down payment.

00:03:05.200 We used to pay off a house in that time before Trudeau.

00:03:08.800 And of course, now his next big project is to quadruple the carbon tax.

00:03:13.180 So that is the misery that he's putting people through.

00:03:16.880 And in order to clamp down and avoid anybody standing up to him, he's passing censorship laws.

00:03:21.920 He's cracking down on political opponents.

00:03:23.500 And of course, he's taking over the media so that he won't have any contrary voices in the press.

00:03:28.300 You've covered a lot of ground there, but let's start with the carbon tax.

00:03:30.980 Your party staged a little while ago a 30-hour-long filibuster.

00:03:35.480 And I mean, ultimately, it didn't amount to all that much.

00:03:38.300 The carbon tax is still going ahead.

00:03:40.100 But if you're a Canadian who's having to withstand this, and you see this rather fruitless display,

00:03:47.200 and that's not to go away from the fact that you brought attention to it,

00:03:50.440 where is that relief going to come?

00:03:52.340 Because a lot of people can't hold out for another year.

00:03:54.920 A lot of people can't hold out for another few months if they're really struggling.

00:03:58.800 The only relief that people will get is when I become prime minister,

00:04:01.620 because I will axe the tax, and that will lower the cost of heat, gas, and groceries.

00:04:06.320 It will reduce the cost for our farmers.

00:04:08.820 I was asking Trudeau the other day about a farmer in my riding who's spending $100,000 a year on carbon tax.

00:04:15.500 And this is now.

00:04:16.600 He plans to quadruple the tax, so it would be $400,000.

00:04:20.200 And you don't think that's appearing on your grocery bill?

00:04:23.160 Of course it is.

00:04:23.780 The farmer has to pass it along.

00:04:25.300 So a poly of government will axe the tax.

00:04:27.860 It will be one of the first things I do when I form government.

00:04:30.180 And the next election will be the carbon tax election.

00:04:34.680 So take your pick, folks.

00:04:36.160 Either you quadruple the tax with Trudeau or you axe the tax with me.

00:04:40.400 When you talk about housing, the numbers speak for themselves here.

00:04:43.780 We've got a country that is building 210,000 to 230,000 houses a year.

00:04:49.700 We have seen some recent numbers that suggest there's a slowdown taking place as recently as this morning.

00:04:55.220 You also then juxtapose that with immigration.

00:04:57.460 And we have 500,000 permanent residents coming in a year over the next three years.

00:05:02.080 Plus, on top of that, temporary foreign workers, international students.

00:05:06.160 Do you accept that immigration is inflaming the housing crisis?

00:05:11.280 Well, it's very simple math.

00:05:13.160 If you have more families coming than you have houses for them, it's going to inflate housing prices.

00:05:20.260 It's no question about it.

00:05:22.980 I don't even think the liberals are now seeming to acknowledge that themselves.

00:05:27.060 So my common sense plan is to link immigration numbers to home building numbers.

00:05:34.640 And that is how you're going to restore housing affordability.

00:05:38.780 Look, we built fewer homes in last year than we built in 1972.

00:05:44.520 In 50 years, we're building less homes.

00:05:47.000 In 72, we had a population of 22 million people.

00:05:50.440 Now we have a population of 39 million.

00:05:52.880 We have to build something in the neighborhood of 450,000 to 500,000 homes a year

00:05:59.380 just to maintain the current level of affordability at today's immigration rates.

00:06:05.280 We're building less than half of that.

00:06:06.960 We should actually be able to build more than 50,000 homes.

00:06:10.200 If you think about it, we built half that amount back in 50 years ago when our population was half,

00:06:17.080 like just by on a per capita basis.

00:06:18.560 We have the land labor and the lumber to do it. 0.98

00:06:20.880 But we have to get the massive bureaucracy out of the way to speed up permits and prove more building.

00:06:27.320 And that's what I'm going to do by requiring cities that permit 15% more housing per year as a condition of getting federal funding,

00:06:34.480 selling off thousands of acres of federal land and 6,000 federal buildings,

00:06:38.720 and requiring transit stations be pre-permitted for high-density apartments all around them.

00:06:45.820 To name a few of my common sense plans, we're going to get the bureaucrats out of the way and get the builders to work. 1.00

00:06:50.960 On immigration, it isn't just housing that needs to be taken into consideration.

00:06:55.020 It's also jobs, social services, just geography here.

00:06:58.720 So knowing what you know about the country, do you think those targets from the liberal government are too high,

00:07:03.640 that 500,000 per year target?

00:07:06.080 Well, it's not 500.

00:07:07.200 As you know, it's 1.2 million now.

00:07:09.520 The answer is that we have to bring the numbers in line with the number of houses that are built.

00:07:16.580 The growth in immigration should not exceed the amount of housing stock we add,

00:07:22.680 the number of doctors we add, and the available jobs.

00:07:26.660 But if you were prime minister now, what would that number be?

00:07:28.720 What would your projection be?

00:07:30.220 I don't have a target for this year, but what I would say is when I launch my platform,

00:07:35.340 it will explicitly link the population growth to the growth in the housing stock,

00:07:43.840 to the growth in the number of doctors and nurses, and to the availability of jobs.

00:07:48.700 So it could be lower.

00:07:49.600 It will be mathematically driven, not by arbitrary targets to generate virtue signaling headlines,

00:07:57.040 as we have right now.

00:07:58.080 It will be mathematically driven by the growth in the housing stock,

00:08:01.800 the growth in the supply of doctors and nurses to treat people,

00:08:05.980 and the availability of jobs.

00:08:07.660 But if I were to say to you just the number,

00:08:09.460 a term that you yourself have used in exchanges of this, you can't give one.

00:08:13.480 Well, of course, I can't because I'll be forming government at this rate in 2025,

00:08:19.740 and we'll have to set the numbers based on the conditions in that year.

00:08:24.400 When you look at population growth in Canada,

00:08:27.100 we have a birth rate, which is, I think, around 1.40 right now.

00:08:31.520 Do you think that is a problem, or do you think that's just the fact,

00:08:34.840 and a government has to adapt to that?

00:08:37.280 It is a problem that is a symptom of the housing crisis.

00:08:42.020 It's very simple.

00:08:43.400 If you can't afford a house until you're 42 years old,

00:08:47.360 well, let's be blunt, a woman's biological clock is almost run out by that time.

00:08:52.140 And so even couples that want kids say, where do we put them?

00:08:58.340 We're not going to have kids in our parents' basements.

00:09:00.460 We can't raise them in a 400-square-foot rental apartment.

00:09:04.740 So where are we going to put the kids that we want to have? 1.00

00:09:07.780 And they right now say there's nowhere to put them

00:09:10.400 because there's no home to live in.

00:09:11.700 So when we fix the housing crisis,

00:09:13.500 we'll give people the freedom to make their own decisions about children

00:09:17.940 on their time frame.

00:09:20.000 Immigration Minister Mark Miller this week proposed a path to amnesty

00:09:24.500 for people who are in the country illegally.

00:09:27.120 Would that be something you would entertain as Prime Minister?

00:09:30.060 I support lawful immigration.

00:09:31.700 People have to come in the right way.

00:09:34.060 We can't have a systematic illegal immigration

00:09:37.580 as the Liberals presided over with the rocks and road

00:09:42.620 that they persisted for many, many years

00:09:44.980 and other forms of illegal entry.

00:09:48.360 It causes chaos in the system.

00:09:51.920 And it also creates resentment among the people

00:09:55.780 who actually follow the rules.

00:09:57.420 So when I'm Prime Minister, we'll restore lawful immigration

00:10:00.260 and we'll make sure there are no perverse incentives

00:10:02.360 for people to break the law to get in.

00:10:04.480 Which, don't apple me for misrepresenting what you're saying,

00:10:07.800 but are you saying no amnesty?

00:10:09.140 Well, I think what he's saying is he wants a path to permanency.

00:10:14.800 I think permanency should be given to people who come here lawfully,

00:10:19.540 not to people who deliberately broke the rules to be in the country.

00:10:26.900 To go to inflation, which has become an issue,

00:10:29.300 well, not become an issue, you were talking about it before anyone was,

00:10:32.400 and I think it probably frustrated you a great deal

00:10:34.300 that no one was heeding that call.

00:10:36.520 There are Canadians who are struggling,

00:10:39.040 and I know you've heard from them, you've spoken to them,

00:10:41.240 and people who, to use your phrase, are hanging on by a thread.

00:10:44.920 How much does it weigh on you

00:10:46.800 that so many people are just desperate for a fix?

00:10:50.780 You can't save everyone,

00:10:52.460 and that's not your job to save every individual person,

00:10:54.840 but how do you grapple with that challenge,

00:10:56.960 hearing these stories and those photo lines you do?

00:10:59.200 Oh, it's incredible.

00:11:00.620 And the stories that I hear,

00:11:03.480 they get worse and worse every day.

00:11:05.040 And whether it's people who are now living in their cars

00:11:09.080 or are moving into tent encampments,

00:11:12.800 or if it's people who are literally just, you know,

00:11:16.220 during the leadership race,

00:11:17.680 I had people I would call,

00:11:19.500 because when I was in the long drives,

00:11:21.180 I'd call potential members,

00:11:22.760 and they would say,

00:11:23.500 I'd join, but I don't have $15.

00:11:28.120 And then they clarified, they meant by that,

00:11:31.180 they weren't speaking figuratively.

00:11:32.880 Like, some of them would say,

00:11:33.740 I don't own $15.

00:11:35.980 Like, I have $35 of gas in my tank,

00:11:40.540 and I have $6.23 in my bank account,

00:11:44.500 and I don't know where my next meal is coming from.

00:11:46.960 But inflation always does this

00:11:48.840 because it's a huge wealth transfer

00:11:51.520 from the working poor to the super rich.

00:11:54.700 The working poor have their wages 1.00

00:11:56.200 and their very little limited savings

00:11:58.460 eaten up by inflation.

00:12:00.360 And the super rich, of course,

00:12:01.640 get richer because their assets inflate.

00:12:04.200 And so even though the national balance sheet

00:12:07.440 doesn't show it,

00:12:08.660 there's people who are just getting clobbered.

00:12:10.700 And that's why we have to bring back hard money,

00:12:14.040 sound money,

00:12:15.280 a solid financial,

00:12:16.900 a solid monetary approach

00:12:18.680 that seeks to slow stable prices

00:12:21.080 rather than money printing for political spending.

00:12:24.700 How quickly can that ship be turned around, though?

00:12:27.280 I mean, you've seen the deficit figures alone.

00:12:29.140 I mean, this is not something,

00:12:30.180 could you even balance a budget in a four-year mandate?

00:12:32.700 That's a good question.

00:12:33.860 I want to see the finances, you know,

00:12:36.860 the challenge,

00:12:38.080 I'm not trying to be evasive,

00:12:39.160 but let me just give you an example

00:12:40.520 of my problem in projecting that now.

00:12:43.100 In the last year alone,

00:12:45.060 like Trudeau had us balancing the budget in 2028,

00:12:47.580 but in the last year alone,

00:12:49.060 he's added so much brand new spending

00:12:51.260 that he's now admitted on his current track,

00:12:53.840 we will never balance the budget.

00:12:54.960 And he's added $100 billion

00:12:56.300 to the fiscal framework over the last year.

00:13:00.140 So he's got two more years to go.

00:13:02.680 When I get to an election,

00:13:04.740 presumably in fall 2025,

00:13:07.060 I don't know how big the mess will be.

00:13:09.380 And therefore, I can't promise today

00:13:11.120 how long it will be for me to clean it up.

00:13:13.240 But what I can tell you

00:13:14.280 is that we'll be cutting waste

00:13:15.480 by shutting down the infrastructure bank,

00:13:18.060 the $54 million Arrive Can app,

00:13:20.600 the green slush funds,

00:13:22.260 defunding the CBC,

00:13:24.020 and we'll bring in a dollar-for-dollar law,

00:13:26.040 common-sense law requiring my ministers

00:13:27.960 to find a dollar savings

00:13:29.160 for every new dollar spending.

00:13:31.160 That combined with a pro-growth,

00:13:33.520 pro-resource development policy

00:13:35.520 that will generate organic tax revenues

00:13:38.420 without tax increases

00:13:40.080 will help us balance the budget.

00:13:43.260 The time frame,

00:13:44.440 you'll have to wait to my platform to see it.

00:13:47.020 What is it that you think

00:13:49.580 is going to be the biggest challenge

00:13:51.840 in building the conservative base?

00:13:54.260 Because I think in your leadership,

00:13:55.240 we saw you bring in people

00:13:56.560 that were not politically engaged previously,

00:13:59.000 were not conservatives previously.

00:14:00.220 A lot of the things you talk about

00:14:01.980 when you discuss wealth transfer and inequality,

00:14:04.160 these are talking points

00:14:05.600 that wouldn't have been out of place

00:14:06.680 from Jack Layton back in the day.

00:14:08.220 But what is that hurdle going to be for you

00:14:11.380 in getting people

00:14:12.360 who are not aligning themselves

00:14:14.300 with the word conservative

00:14:15.460 or the conservative party,

00:14:16.720 but you think will go along with your vision?

00:14:20.160 I think it's connecting with people

00:14:22.580 who are small C conservatives

00:14:24.460 and turning them into big C conservatives.

00:14:26.740 Jason Kenney used to say this all the time.

00:14:28.820 And so, you know,

00:14:30.120 I was meeting with a group

00:14:31.280 from the Tamil community today

00:14:32.900 and they basically said,

00:14:34.820 we're conservative on everything,

00:14:36.140 family values,

00:14:37.400 they all run small businesses,

00:14:39.100 they want law and order in their community,

00:14:41.020 and they're heavily patriotic.

00:14:43.940 But the party hadn't built a relationship

00:14:47.480 with their community.

00:14:48.400 So I have to go in one by one

00:14:50.500 and make the friendships

00:14:51.500 and the relationships

00:14:52.620 look people in the eye

00:14:54.200 and make that personal connection

00:14:57.280 so that they can vote their values,

00:14:59.180 which are all conservative.

00:15:01.220 The other thing about our coalition

00:15:02.620 is that there's not going to be

00:15:04.120 a liberal party in the next election.

00:15:06.180 Justin Trudeau, of course,

00:15:07.040 he's not a liberal. 0.77

00:15:08.020 He is a radical authoritarian.

00:15:09.780 He's the opposite of liberal.

00:15:11.280 He's very illiberal.

00:15:12.620 And so I'm going to be going

00:15:13.360 to a lot of liberal voters

00:15:14.820 and say this is not the party

00:15:16.060 of Gretchen, Manley, Martin.

00:15:18.040 This is a radical authoritarian diversion

00:15:21.360 that you've never seen before

00:15:22.740 and that you don't recognize.

00:15:24.120 And let's vote for what was

00:15:25.960 the common sense consensus of Canada

00:15:28.000 before he came along.

00:15:30.960 The last, I mean,

00:15:31.900 this year has ended

00:15:32.880 on a very unpleasant note

00:15:35.500 for members of the Jewish community

00:15:36.800 who have seen not just

00:15:37.680 the attacks on Israel in October,

00:15:39.080 but the continued scourge

00:15:40.840 of anti-Semitism.

00:15:42.180 And your party

00:15:43.760 and the liberals

00:15:44.880 and the NDP

00:15:45.840 were effectively in lockstep

00:15:47.920 in those first few days

00:15:49.080 in condemning the attacks.

00:15:50.440 And we've seen

00:15:51.360 that consensus fracture

00:15:52.940 the longer this has gone on.

00:15:54.420 We've seen the government

00:15:55.160 equivocating on its support

00:15:56.620 for Israel

00:15:57.080 and its condemnation of Hamas.

00:15:59.960 One rather symbolic

00:16:01.860 but very real gesture

00:16:03.040 that members of the Jewish community

00:16:04.560 have always sought

00:16:05.880 is a relocation

00:16:06.780 of the Canadian embassy

00:16:07.620 from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

00:16:09.160 Are you still committed

00:16:09.720 to doing that?

00:16:11.080 Right now,

00:16:11.900 I think the focus

00:16:12.880 just needs to be

00:16:13.600 on beating Hamas.

00:16:15.340 There's no question

00:16:16.280 that Jerusalem

00:16:16.920 is the capital of Israel.

00:16:18.320 It's where the Knesset

00:16:19.020 is located.

00:16:19.760 It's where their

00:16:20.220 Supreme Court is located.

00:16:22.800 We have to defeat Hamas 0.99

00:16:24.300 to bring peace

00:16:25.340 to the region.

00:16:26.620 And that will be

00:16:27.160 my singular focus

00:16:28.300 when it comes

00:16:30.000 to the Israel-Palestinian

00:16:31.980 issue right now.

00:16:34.020 So you won't commit

00:16:34.680 to an embassy relocation?

00:16:35.900 Right now,

00:16:36.920 my focus is on

00:16:37.840 let's stick beside

00:16:39.040 the effort

00:16:39.600 of beating Hamas

00:16:40.940 in this conflict

00:16:42.620 and we'll decide

00:16:44.880 in the future

00:16:46.460 what we do

00:16:47.120 on that issue

00:16:48.960 of the embassy.

00:16:50.260 But we do recognize

00:16:51.600 that Israel's capital

00:16:53.320 is Jerusalem

00:16:54.320 and that,

00:16:56.500 you know,

00:16:57.040 regardless of how

00:16:57.820 that conflict

00:16:58.800 is one day settled

00:17:00.140 and I hope it will be,

00:17:01.660 Israel will be present

00:17:03.540 in its capital

00:17:05.280 which is Jerusalem

00:17:06.700 and that doesn't mean

00:17:07.560 that Muslims

00:17:09.560 and Christians

00:17:10.300 will not have

00:17:11.200 equal access

00:17:12.340 to their holy sites

00:17:13.420 but the reality

00:17:15.100 is that that is

00:17:15.980 the capital

00:17:16.480 of Israel.

00:17:18.480 But on the broader

00:17:19.500 issue you raised,

00:17:20.560 I think we've been

00:17:21.240 very consistent.

00:17:22.040 We've been clear

00:17:23.220 with both sides

00:17:24.380 and we say the same thing

00:17:25.320 in both rooms.

00:17:26.760 You know,

00:17:27.080 we believe that

00:17:27.920 Hamas has to be, 1.00

00:17:29.280 has to surrender,

00:17:31.060 disarm,

00:17:32.380 and turn over

00:17:33.140 the hostages

00:17:34.100 before this can be resolved

00:17:36.360 and Justin Trudeau,

00:17:38.000 he believed in the same thing

00:17:39.420 until he said he was

00:17:40.620 against a ceasefire

00:17:41.500 and then there was

00:17:42.340 a story that broke

00:17:43.100 that he was losing donors

00:17:44.080 over that.

00:17:45.800 So then what did he do?

00:17:47.200 He flip-flopped

00:17:48.680 and went to the other extreme

00:17:49.920 where he said

00:17:50.580 Hamas could effectively 0.98

00:17:51.480 keep the hostages.

00:17:54.140 And then he sent out

00:17:55.640 his liberal MPs

00:17:56.780 from predominantly

00:17:58.180 Jewish ridings 0.76

00:17:59.060 and told them

00:18:00.140 to say that

00:18:00.660 they disagreed with him

00:18:02.020 so that he could

00:18:02.560 continue to say

00:18:03.260 one thing

00:18:04.260 to the Jewish community

00:18:05.800 and a completely

00:18:06.460 different thing

00:18:07.300 to everyone else.

00:18:08.860 And our approach

00:18:09.700 is it's more principled,

00:18:10.940 it's more difficult

00:18:11.580 to take a consistent line

00:18:13.980 no matter where you go

00:18:15.080 but I'm proud of the fact

00:18:16.420 that we've had

00:18:16.920 integrity on the issue.

00:18:18.160 Some Jewish groups

00:18:18.940 in Canada

00:18:19.480 have expressed

00:18:20.720 their support

00:18:21.440 for online hate

00:18:23.120 speech regulations

00:18:24.060 which I'm sympathetic to

00:18:25.680 because they understand

00:18:26.680 anti-Semitism

00:18:27.300 is a big threat.

00:18:28.180 Now I'm a big believer

00:18:29.440 in free speech,

00:18:30.040 you've always taken

00:18:30.840 that position.

00:18:32.100 What is your approach

00:18:33.540 to if there is

00:18:34.560 a balancing

00:18:35.820 that needs to be done here

00:18:36.820 of on one hand

00:18:37.540 dealing with this

00:18:38.200 very real phenomenon

00:18:39.120 on the other hand

00:18:39.800 protecting free speech

00:18:40.860 with a liberal government

00:18:41.780 that very much

00:18:43.500 and has committed

00:18:44.180 to regulating

00:18:45.160 what it calls

00:18:46.020 hate speech online?

00:18:48.060 The problem they have

00:18:48.660 is they can't differentiate

00:18:49.780 between hate speech

00:18:51.460 the liberals

00:18:52.280 I mean the liberals

00:18:52.940 cannot differentiate

00:18:53.780 between hate speech

00:18:55.560 and speech they hate

00:18:56.980 and there's a big difference

00:18:59.140 right?

00:19:00.060 We also have to figure out

00:19:01.700 who would they put in charge?

00:19:03.140 Who would be

00:19:03.400 the hate speech czar?

00:19:04.560 Remember it wasn't long ago

00:19:06.440 that a school board

00:19:08.600 in I think it was Mississauga

00:19:10.020 took Anne Frank

00:19:11.500 out of the library

00:19:12.680 because that was

00:19:13.480 somehow hateful

00:19:14.460 because she was

00:19:15.280 she wrote her

00:19:15.880 the book was written

00:19:17.900 before I think 1980

00:19:19.240 or something

00:19:20.020 and everything before

00:19:20.740 then is hateful

00:19:21.500 so you know

00:19:23.780 the liberals funded

00:19:24.680 an actual anti-Semite

00:19:26.600 in the name

00:19:27.600 of fighting racism

00:19:28.760 so we have to be

00:19:30.360 very careful

00:19:30.920 about giving any

00:19:31.860 state czar

00:19:33.940 the ability

00:19:35.000 to define

00:19:35.760 what he or she

00:19:36.860 thinks is hate

00:19:38.580 because we might

00:19:39.620 end up being

00:19:40.080 very surprised

00:19:41.000 with their definition

00:19:42.520 and people who push

00:19:44.280 for this kind of

00:19:45.280 law might wake up

00:19:47.800 one day and say

00:19:48.300 holy smokes

00:19:49.220 now I'm the one

00:19:50.380 I was trying to stop

00:19:51.540 genuine hate

00:19:52.940 but now I'm the one

00:19:54.060 who's being censored

00:19:55.400 so that's the risk

00:19:57.440 there is

00:19:58.240 for me the line

00:19:59.220 is this

00:19:59.700 you can have any

00:20:02.060 political opinion

00:20:02.740 you want

00:20:03.320 but we recognize

00:20:04.880 in law

00:20:05.620 that there are

00:20:06.300 crimes related

00:20:07.780 to the utterances

00:20:08.500 of words

00:20:09.160 like if someone

00:20:10.220 goes out and says

00:20:11.020 that tells a

00:20:12.180 thug on the streets

00:20:13.860 that they should

00:20:14.400 knock off

00:20:15.880 Andrew Lawton

00:20:17.560 and uses words

00:20:20.320 to bring that

00:20:21.020 action into motion

00:20:21.840 he can be charged

00:20:23.360 don't give him ideas

00:20:24.620 I won't give him

00:20:25.740 any ideas

00:20:26.180 it might have

00:20:27.040 happened already

00:20:27.640 but you've dodged

00:20:28.240 all the bullets

00:20:28.800 as Churchill said

00:20:30.260 there's nothing

00:20:30.860 more thrilling 0.99

00:20:31.380 than to be shot

00:20:32.020 at with no effect

00:20:32.740 or if someone

00:20:35.960 utters a threat

00:20:36.680 it's just a word

00:20:38.200 that is a crime

00:20:39.220 so likewise

00:20:40.320 if someone goes out

00:20:41.400 and tells people

00:20:43.880 to attack

00:20:44.760 violently attack

00:20:45.980 a particular

00:20:46.760 identifiable group

00:20:48.100 that is a crime

00:20:49.360 that is distinct

00:20:50.780 from expressing

00:20:53.100 a political

00:20:54.080 viewpoint

00:20:55.160 that is objectionable

00:20:56.940 to some

00:20:57.320 and that's the line

00:20:58.120 that we need

00:20:58.720 to keep

00:20:59.440 in order to protect

00:21:00.700 our freedom

00:21:01.300 and our security

00:21:02.200 at the same time

00:21:02.940 you've mentioned

00:21:03.660 a couple of times

00:21:04.300 2025

00:21:04.900 as being the point

00:21:06.480 at which you'll become

00:21:07.180 I was going to ask

00:21:07.820 what's your prediction

00:21:08.820 do you think it will be

00:21:09.820 do you think that coalition

00:21:10.860 will hold

00:21:11.220 look I think Jagmeet Singh

00:21:12.300 needs to qualify

00:21:13.420 for his pension

00:21:14.140 and so he's holding on

00:21:16.500 for that pension

00:21:17.200 right

00:21:17.720 he's in it

00:21:20.100 for the pension

00:21:21.640 and the perks

00:21:22.700 he's shown that

00:21:24.040 he's sold his principles

00:21:25.320 to keep Trudeau in power

00:21:26.520 he's helped Trudeau

00:21:27.240 double housing costs

00:21:28.940 quadruple

00:21:30.040 the carbon tax

00:21:31.540 unleash crime

00:21:32.380 and chaos

00:21:32.960 in our communities

00:21:33.680 and he seems to be

00:21:34.780 comfortable

00:21:35.820 to keep doing that

00:21:37.000 so

00:21:37.360 until such time

00:21:38.960 as Jagmeet Singh

00:21:40.100 remembers who he

00:21:41.860 actually works for

00:21:42.880 we're stuck

00:21:43.960 with this

00:21:45.120 radical

00:21:46.080 authoritarian

00:21:46.860 Trudeau government

00:21:48.060 it's the holiday season

00:21:49.300 I wanted to end

00:21:49.920 on a bit of a lighter

00:21:50.820 note here

00:21:51.180 what Polyev Christmas

00:21:52.640 traditions have you

00:21:53.440 brought to Stornoway

00:21:54.420 well we

00:21:55.760 last one

00:21:56.960 the last one

00:21:57.520 was a little bit

00:21:58.060 too chaotic

00:21:58.840 for a lot of traditions

00:21:59.820 but we want to get back

00:22:00.800 to the moose melt

00:22:01.540 my wife has a beautiful

00:22:02.980 moose melt

00:22:03.600 concoction

00:22:05.100 and it's the most delicious

00:22:06.700 it's better than Bailey's

00:22:07.900 and we made it

00:22:08.940 at our home

00:22:09.420 in Greeley

00:22:09.860 and Pub made a video

00:22:10.740 of it

00:22:11.080 and we're hoping

00:22:11.860 to make a lot

00:22:12.600 of those mixes

00:22:13.280 throughout the holiday

00:22:15.020 season

00:22:15.520 and it'll be

00:22:17.240 this is the first

00:22:17.980 Christmas where my

00:22:18.940 little guy can

00:22:19.720 actually understand

00:22:20.800 Santa Claus

00:22:21.540 and Christmas trees

00:22:22.380 and stuff

00:22:22.820 so he's learning

00:22:24.320 all about trees

00:22:25.300 and Santa coming

00:22:26.120 down the

00:22:26.760 the chimney

00:22:28.120 and the birth

00:22:30.440 of Jesus

00:22:30.880 and all the great

00:22:31.800 traditions that we

00:22:32.960 pass on

00:22:33.520 so we're

00:22:34.280 looking forward

00:22:35.120 to a relaxing

00:22:35.800 Christmas

00:22:36.700 and I hope you

00:22:37.200 have one too

00:22:37.800 likewise

00:22:38.320 Pierre Polyev

00:22:38.840 Merry Christmas

00:22:39.400 thank you

00:22:39.820 Merry Christmas

00:22:40.060 to you

00:22:40.560 thank you

00:22:41.340 that was

00:22:41.880 Conservative Party

00:22:42.740 of Canada

00:22:43.220 leader

00:22:43.680 Pierre Polyev

00:22:44.620 for a year

00:22:45.560 end interview

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00:22:46.940 True North

00:22:47.520 and the Andrew

00:22:48.240 Lawton Show

00:22:48.660 we've got lots

00:22:49.240 more content

00:22:49.780 in the days ahead

00:22:51.320 so we will see

00:22:52.020 you back here

00:22:52.540 tomorrow

00:22:53.060 same time

00:22:54.240 same place

00:22:55.020 on the Andrew

00:22:55.660 Lawton Show

00:22:56.100 thank you

00:22:56.580 God bless

00:22:57.160 and good day

00:22:57.880 to you all

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Juno News - December 18, 2023

Poilievre talks immigration, inflation, and ＂radical authoritarian＂ Trudeau in year-end interview

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