Juno News - Politician says only ＂anti-vaxxers＂ oppose mandatory vaccination

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.740 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:11.640 Coming up, the rise of fully vaccinated anti-vaxxers, somehow.

00:00:16.340 Mixed messaging on childhood vaccination and a look at the new government throne speech.

00:00:23.440 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 It is great to have you aboard the program today on this momentous occasion.

00:00:36.340 No, I'm not talking about Thanksgiving, American Thanksgiving,

00:00:39.480 although I do wish our American viewers and listeners a happy Thanksgiving.

00:00:44.140 We have discovered yet another variant.

00:00:47.080 I know this one is in South Africa, courtesy of Botswana.

00:00:52.160 The researchers are saying they don't yet know how bad it's going to be.

00:00:55.780 It could be nothing. It could be something.

00:00:57.900 We don't know. We won't until we see it.

00:00:59.540 It could pop up in a few other places.

00:01:01.840 I don't even know. I lost track in the Greek alphabet of where we are.

00:01:05.940 You'd think it stopped at Delta, but we actually went all the way up to,

00:01:09.320 I think, like Mu and Nu or something like that.

00:01:12.300 Maybe this is Omega. Maybe it's Kappa Alpha Theta.

00:01:15.380 Maybe it's the Sigma Chi variant. I don't know.

00:01:17.320 It's just when you look at the public health press releases,

00:01:20.260 it's just like a nice stroll down sorority or fraternity row in a college town.

00:01:24.900 As I've said, you have to get through the Greek alphabet at least once before the pandemic ends.

00:01:28.660 Those are the rules. I don't make them up.

00:01:31.380 And the never-ending pandemic continues, especially in Australia.

00:01:35.940 We did Austria last episode. We're doing Australia today.

00:01:39.960 I don't think they're the same place. They just sound very similar.

00:01:43.320 Although when I was in Austria a couple of weeks ago, I did see they had an Australian pub,

00:01:47.800 which I probably thought was good to confuse a couple of wayward travelers.

00:01:51.080 In any case, in Australia, which is just permanently locked down, it feels like,

00:01:55.980 especially in some provinces and some inter-regional travel in Australia as well.

00:02:00.940 You can't necessarily, as an Australian, go across the country

00:02:04.800 because their different districts have their own rules on this.

00:02:08.160 So it's incredibly locked down, and it's an island, so in a lot of cases, citizens are trapped.

00:02:14.120 But then you hear this sort of rhetoric from their overseers.

00:02:18.560 Now, this gentleman is the chief minister of the Northern Territory in Australia.

00:02:24.140 So, for lack of a better term, the premier of this particular region.

00:02:28.420 And his name is Michael Gunner, and he has overseen a very significant vaccine mandate,

00:02:35.200 which doesn't quite go so far as Austria's does to mandate vaccination for everyone.

00:02:40.380 But it comes pretty close, because the Northern Territory vaccine mandate basically applies

00:02:46.260 to anyone who has a public-facing role.

00:02:50.700 As the government's website says, it is mandatory for workers in certain settings

00:02:55.000 to get the COVID-19 vaccination and show evidence of this to their employer

00:02:59.620 to continue working in the same role.

00:03:02.720 And as far as workers requiring vaccination, they include people who work with children,

00:03:08.620 also people who work in customer-facing roles.

00:03:11.380 So retail, finance, hospitality, veterinarian, beauty, gym.

00:03:16.660 So basically, anything you do that involves you interacting with someone

00:03:22.020 will have you forced to get the vaccination.

00:03:25.320 So quite a sweeping vaccine mandate.

00:03:27.340 Now, I have been firmly against vaccine mandates.

00:03:29.980 I believe vaccination is a matter of personal choice.

00:03:33.920 Despite being fully vaccinated, this is my belief.

00:03:37.860 And the reason I share my vaccination status with you is because despite being fully vaccinated,

00:03:43.040 despite having the double Pfizer, to Michael Gunner in Australia,

00:03:47.700 I am an anti-vaxxer.

00:03:49.820 Take a look.

00:03:50.880 There was a time in Parliament where you called people anti-vaxxers because they,

00:03:55.280 if you were vaccinated because they had opposition to the mandate,

00:03:57.980 you called Federal Senator Malandiri-McCarthy a champion of the vaccine and anti-vaxxer

00:04:02.420 because it wasn't 100% supportive of your mandate.

00:04:05.440 I wonder, do you think at all that your rhetoric around calling people anti-vaxxers,

00:04:10.500 some of whom were vaccinated, has had an impact at all on vaccine take-up in parts of the territory?

00:04:16.660 No, I don't want to repeat it.

00:04:18.920 If you are anti-mandate, you are absolutely anti-vaxx.

00:04:21.760 I don't care what your personal vaccination status is.

00:04:23.880 If you support, champion, give a green light, give comfort to, support anybody who argues against the vaccine,

00:04:30.780 you are an anti-vaxxer.

00:04:32.120 Absolutely.

00:04:33.200 Your personal vaccination status is utterly irrelevant.

00:04:35.860 If you campaign against the mandate, if you campaign against people being vaccinated in vulnerable settings,

00:04:43.540 teachers in classrooms, I'll be really clear, at that point in time,

00:04:46.440 people were actually supporting the idea of a teacher being unvaccinated in a remote community classroom

00:04:52.560 with kids who cannot be vaccinated.

00:04:54.840 I reject that.

00:04:56.040 I still reject it.

00:04:57.500 And if you are out there in any way, shape or form campaigning against this mandate,

00:05:02.240 you are absolutely anti-vaxx.

00:05:03.980 If you say pro-persuasion, stuff it, shove it.

00:05:08.480 We are absolutely going to make sure as many territories as possible are vaccinated.

00:05:13.040 That is our best protection against this thing.

00:05:15.480 And if you look at the Doty model, and it's only come out since,

00:05:17.700 that says we have to double dose 80 in remote communities, five and up,

00:05:21.520 I think you'll see our vaccine mandate is absolutely crucial to protecting lives,

00:05:25.460 particularly Aboriginal lives.

00:05:26.880 And I will never back away from supporting vaccines.

00:05:29.920 And anyone out there who comes for the mandate, you are anti-vax.

00:05:34.500 You may remember a few weeks back, I spoke about Merriam-Webster Dictionary

00:05:39.060 deciding that anyone who was against mandatory vaccination was an anti-vaxxer.

00:05:44.000 And this is why that story was relevant, because this sort of rhetoric and language

00:05:49.020 and ideology creeps into the political realm.

00:05:53.400 So Chief Minister Michael Gunner says,

00:05:55.080 It doesn't matter if you're fully vaccinated or not.

00:05:57.720 If you think that your vaccination status has anything to do with being an anti-vaxxer,

00:06:02.140 you're out to lunch.

00:06:03.480 I mean, this is something that sounds comical.

00:06:06.380 Like that could be a line right out of some politician from Monty Python.

00:06:10.360 If you think whether you're vaccinated has anything to do with being an anti-vaxxer,

00:06:15.440 I'm like, well, yeah, I think it actually has quite a bit to do with it.

00:06:18.600 So if you're pro-civil liberties, if you're pro-personal choice,

00:06:23.720 if you're for individual decision-making with health, 1.00

00:06:27.380 you are just a dirty, filthy, stinking anti-vaxxer. 1.00

00:06:31.020 Even if you're fully vaccinated. 1.00

00:06:32.980 Even if you think that vaccines are God's gift to the world,

00:06:35.540 you support the miracle of modern medicine, you were first in line,

00:06:38.660 you're just an anti-vaxxer if you support choice.

00:06:41.180 This is the realm that they're trying to push people to.

00:06:44.760 And when you look at the Northern Territory vaccine mandate,

00:06:47.520 which goes beyond just people that work for the government,

00:06:50.060 anyone in a public-facing role,

00:06:53.500 what they're actually doing is trying to mandate vaccination population-wide.

00:06:59.680 This is what Canada has done as well.

00:07:02.240 They know they won't have a mandate to make vaccination mandatory a la Austria.

00:07:07.000 So they take any realm of society they can control

00:07:11.060 and they make vaccination required for that particular function.

00:07:15.140 So working in the public service, working in a federally regulated sector,

00:07:19.160 boarding an airplane or a train.

00:07:20.900 These are the things that the federal government is within its legal mandate to do in Canada,

00:07:25.380 or so it believes anyway.

00:07:27.100 And they get away with it.

00:07:28.540 But what they're actually trying to do is get to 100% vaccination.

00:07:32.380 They just know that they can't get away with showing up on people's doorsteps

00:07:35.500 and shoving the needles in their arms.

00:07:37.420 But that's why I pointed out in the previous show,

00:07:39.900 what's happening in Austria is so important.

00:07:42.140 Because if you don't believe that this could happen in Canada,

00:07:45.520 you are very sorely mistaken.

00:07:47.660 This is something that we see more and more countries pushing the line,

00:07:51.900 pushing the line forward.

00:07:53.560 And the Northern Territory example is this.

00:07:56.560 When they're mandating vaccination,

00:07:58.320 again, you look at the sectors on here.

00:08:00.920 Basically anyone who works outside of a closed-off office

00:08:06.420 or outside of self-employment is covered by this.

00:08:09.980 If you're going to engage in any work with an Aboriginal community, 1.00

00:08:13.960 with vulnerable people, with customers, with children,

00:08:18.200 I mean, basically they're trying to cover everything.

00:08:20.360 There are very few jobs that aren't on that list.

00:08:23.580 And I've long said now,

00:08:24.780 this isn't really an original thought by any stretch,

00:08:27.160 that this is all about control more than it is about specific public health guidance.

00:08:32.500 And that's why, just as one notable example,

00:08:34.700 the federal government in Canada extended its vaccine mandate,

00:08:38.460 even to those who are working from home,

00:08:40.720 who will not come into contact with a single person,

00:08:42.800 except for maybe their cat or dog,

00:08:44.380 but certainly not anyone else in the public service,

00:08:46.800 and still at risk of losing their jobs because of vaccination status.

00:08:51.360 And I want to actually turn to the government's doubling down

00:08:55.320 on refusing to pay out EI benefits for people who have been fired

00:09:00.060 or are going to be fired because of not being vaccinated.

00:09:03.840 This is a clip from Power and Politics on CBC with Carla Qualtrough,

00:09:08.380 who is the Minister of Employment.

00:09:10.840 And again, not surprising, but still very angering.

00:09:15.500 We had you on this program before the new cabinet was announced,

00:09:18.360 and we asked you then whether those individuals would qualify for employment insurance.

00:09:22.860 You said you were of the view that that would be the case.

00:09:26.040 So I want to follow up.

00:09:27.480 Do people who lose their job because they refuse to meet a vaccine mandate qualify for EI?

00:09:33.520 Well, certainly it's not up to me to determine individual outcomes for individual cases.

00:09:37.860 But as a matter of policy, Katie, if an employer has a policy that requires a vaccine,

00:09:42.420 if a worker does not adhere to that policy,

00:09:44.820 and as a result their employment is terminated,

00:09:46.700 they would not qualify for EI.

00:09:48.440 Now, after we did that interview, we had an employment lawyer, Paul Champ, on the program.

00:09:53.900 Here's what he said to that.

00:09:55.600 Have a listen.

00:09:56.860 There's no question that an employee can be terminated for it,

00:09:59.780 but can they be denied employment insurance benefits?

00:10:03.160 I disagree with the minister.

00:10:05.740 The provisions in the EI Act say that people are disentitled to benefits

00:10:10.100 if they're terminated for misconduct.

00:10:11.700 And I think refusing or declining to get a vaccine in most workplaces is not misconduct.

00:10:21.200 So what do you say to his argument there?

00:10:23.400 Well, I think this will be tested, Katie, for sure, and it will be tested in court.

00:10:27.400 The advice I've received from justice and justice lawyers is that we're on solid ground here,

00:10:32.860 that if you, it would constitute, I guess, misconduct.

00:10:35.740 But certainly, I'm not giving a legal opinion here,

00:10:38.240 and we'll have to see how this plays out in the Social Security Tribunal and in the courts.

00:10:42.320 But as a matter of policy, our position is that people would not be eligible.

00:10:46.260 Now, of course, there will be extenuating circumstances,

00:10:48.560 but as a matter of course, ineligibility.

00:10:51.080 And I'm glad CBC featured in that package, by the way,

00:10:54.540 and forced the minister to respond to it,

00:10:56.480 the labor lawyer saying, well, hang on here.

00:10:58.880 I mean, why are you able to deny them benefits?

00:11:02.000 Benefits into which they have paid.

00:11:03.680 Benefits into which they have paid, as all Canadians do. 0.99

00:11:07.240 But the reason is that the government is viewing this as a with-cause termination.

00:11:11.480 They're viewing it as though you basically stole something on the job

00:11:14.680 and you're getting fired immediately without any recourse or any severance.

00:11:18.960 What's missing from this is that the government has changed the definition

00:11:22.620 after these employees started.

00:11:25.340 Now, I'm against the vaccine mandate through and through.

00:11:28.580 I'm going to keep saying it because I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression here,

00:11:31.580 but I'm against it.

00:11:32.720 It's wrong.

00:11:33.340 It's not particularly effective.

00:11:35.000 But if you were to get a job now, when the vaccine mandate is in effect,

00:11:38.700 you're going to have a lot less recourse available to you

00:11:42.200 if you get fired before your termination or your probation period is up

00:11:46.040 because you're not vaccinated.

00:11:47.500 For someone who joined the civil service before this vaccine mandate existed,

00:11:52.040 for the rules of employment to be changed,

00:11:55.260 and then for the government to say,

00:11:56.780 we're going to fire you for not doing this thing you never knew you were going to have to do

00:12:01.600 until we just decided it a couple of months ago,

00:12:04.080 and we're not even going to pay you your severance is unconscionable.

00:12:08.680 But the government does not want to look after these people.

00:12:12.960 The government doesn't want to look after the unvaccinated. 1.00

00:12:15.580 The government deplores them.

00:12:17.240 The government deplores people that for whatever reason are making that choice for themselves.

00:12:21.860 They're trying to make it as inconvenient and untenable as possible

00:12:25.700 to live and work and exist in Canadian society as an unvaccinated person

00:12:31.420 so that you will get the job.

00:12:33.120 That's their goal.

00:12:35.180 That's their goal.

00:12:35.920 They're trying to make it so that you can't go out to restaurants,

00:12:38.120 you can't board a plane.

00:12:39.040 Well, good, because you can't afford to do those things

00:12:40.860 if you're not allowed to work either.

00:12:44.120 And as many stories as we see about labor shortages,

00:12:47.440 people not having the staff available,

00:12:49.080 we still have government's intent on putting these mandates forward

00:12:53.800 that even further shrink the workforce.

00:12:56.360 And I want to say I do not care what decisions you make for yourself.

00:13:02.400 That's the whole point.

00:13:03.400 We did a segment the other day on libertarianism.

00:13:05.840 And not that I'm a libertarian party of Canada supporter

00:13:08.780 in the sense that I don't have any political party.

00:13:11.080 But you know what?

00:13:12.160 Small L libertarian ideals, I think,

00:13:14.700 would make the world go a long way in the direction it needs to go.

00:13:18.460 So my view on this is make up the decision for yourself.

00:13:21.240 Let businesses decide for themselves

00:13:22.860 what rules they want to have for vaccination status or other things.

00:13:26.880 But when government is making that determination,

00:13:30.660 a government that has locked down industry

00:13:32.740 and prevented people from making money,

00:13:34.380 a government that has locked down people in their own homes effectively

00:13:37.780 by shutting off all the things they could do,

00:13:40.260 and now a government that is hell-bent on closing off

00:13:42.880 as many aspects of the Canadian life as it can

00:13:46.280 to unvaccinated people.

00:13:48.720 And the number of people in this country

00:13:52.380 who, because they do not like or agree with

00:13:55.960 or respect the decision of unvaccinated people,

00:13:59.320 do not care about their civil liberties,

00:14:02.160 is, I don't want to say shocking,

00:14:04.140 because I think this has been a long time coming,

00:14:06.400 but it's very upsetting.

00:14:08.640 It's very upsetting.

00:14:09.640 All the people who say,

00:14:10.500 because, well, I'm vaccinated,

00:14:12.340 so I don't care what happens to them.

00:14:14.080 Well, you should care.

00:14:15.520 You should care,

00:14:16.220 because when this becomes an annual thing

00:14:18.020 and you don't want to play ball with it anymore,

00:14:19.820 when the booster shots become mandated

00:14:21.800 and you don't want to get your booster shot,

00:14:23.580 when COVID-21 or COVID-22 or, I don't know,

00:14:26.700 COVID-97 come around

00:14:28.420 and you don't want to play ball with it

00:14:30.140 and you don't want to do all this stuff anymore,

00:14:32.740 you're going to be the one

00:14:34.120 that is under the boot of government then.

00:14:36.700 Everyone should support the civil liberties of everyone else,

00:14:39.680 even if you think that you're safe for the time being,

00:14:42.120 because the nature of civil liberties

00:14:43.600 is that as the whims of government change,

00:14:46.940 so do those in its crosshairs.

00:14:50.180 And if it's not you now,

00:14:51.820 it will be you next.

00:14:54.360 And there's a reason I'm talking about Australia in this show

00:14:57.860 and that I was talking about Austria and Italy

00:14:59.720 and the Netherlands a few days ago,

00:15:01.580 because all of these responses are interconnected.

00:15:05.440 And when government realizes what it can get away with

00:15:08.380 by looking at the experiences of others,

00:15:10.740 well, all that does is add another tool to the toolkit.

00:15:16.120 And unless you have a government

00:15:17.760 that believes there is a strong base of support

00:15:20.260 for civil liberties

00:15:21.080 that is going to ground its responses in that,

00:15:24.080 you don't really have the ability to rely on

00:15:27.400 the fact that freedom is going to be there,

00:15:29.080 because there's no guarantee of that.

00:15:31.300 The Canadian pandemic response for the last two years

00:15:33.900 has showed us there is no base of support

00:15:35.720 for civil liberties.

00:15:36.860 In fact, if you wanted to reduce it

00:15:38.580 to a majoritarian position,

00:15:40.000 if you were to have a true democracy,

00:15:42.680 I think most Canadians,

00:15:44.560 most Canadians would vote for lockdowns.

00:15:47.420 Most Canadians would vote for restricting the rights 0.91

00:15:49.680 to the unvaccinated.

00:15:51.460 Most Canadians would vote against liberty

00:15:55.180 because a lot of them are not paying attention.

00:15:59.840 And more importantly,

00:16:00.800 there are a lot of them are not aware

00:16:02.120 of what precedent that sets for the future.

00:16:05.080 Just look at the flu shot.

00:16:07.960 I've not gotten a flu shot this year.

00:16:09.600 The reason I have is because

00:16:10.780 I have not felt the need to.

00:16:12.680 I'm just not.

00:16:14.460 I'm not against the flu shot.

00:16:16.020 I'm not anti-flu shot.

00:16:17.280 I'm not contrary to

00:16:18.640 the Australian Northern Territory position,

00:16:21.160 an anti-vaxxer.

00:16:22.140 I just haven't felt the need to get it.

00:16:24.360 How long until the flu shot

00:16:25.760 is part of the vaccine passport?

00:16:28.940 How long until lawmakers say,

00:16:30.720 oh, this flu looks to be a bit of a rough one this year?

00:16:32.680 Okay, all of a sudden,

00:16:34.060 if you want to go to a restaurant,

00:16:35.100 you've got to show

00:16:35.740 that you've received your flu shot.

00:16:38.560 And there are some people saying,

00:16:39.800 well, what's the big deal?

00:16:41.040 Yeah, what's the big deal?

00:16:41.940 Why not?

00:16:43.140 But these are the same people

00:16:44.240 who don't care about their right to privacy.

00:16:46.340 The same people who say,

00:16:47.640 well, if you have nothing to hide,

00:16:49.640 you don't need to worry about it.

00:16:52.020 The same people who say,

00:16:53.300 well, a mask isn't that much of an inconvenience,

00:16:55.400 so it's fine.

00:16:56.500 But all of these little things,

00:16:58.260 these things that are perceived to be little,

00:17:00.220 are not actually little at all.

00:17:03.400 When you start talking about putting barriers

00:17:05.580 and roadblocks in place

00:17:07.160 for you to enjoy life

00:17:08.900 as a supposedly free citizen,

00:17:10.600 you are not actually enjoying that life.

00:17:13.820 Freedom is not supposed to be conditional.

00:17:17.640 In fact, freedom is not conditional,

00:17:20.360 except insofar as the condition

00:17:22.040 to not infringe on someone else's freedom

00:17:24.720 or to not infringe

00:17:26.120 on someone else's fundamental rights.

00:17:27.680 But short of that,

00:17:29.640 freedom is unconditional.

00:17:31.560 So there's no such thing

00:17:32.660 as you're free to do what you want,

00:17:34.020 but you have to wear a mask.

00:17:35.920 Or you're free to do what you want

00:17:37.280 if you're vaccinated.

00:17:39.040 Or you're free to do what you want

00:17:40.400 if you provide proof of vaccination.

00:17:43.020 That is not freedom.

00:17:44.160 When you start qualifying it

00:17:45.520 and applying conditions,

00:17:46.740 you've lost sight

00:17:47.680 of what fundamental freedom is.

00:17:51.540 And I'm so sick and tired

00:17:53.180 of people in this country

00:17:54.380 who do not understand

00:17:56.380 or even care about that,

00:17:58.500 who believe that the government

00:18:00.060 is out for them.

00:18:03.020 Government is not.

00:18:04.220 I mean, government is the barrier to freedom.

00:18:06.940 Government is the impediment to freedom.

00:18:08.620 Government is not the body

00:18:10.160 that's going to let you access the good life.

00:18:13.400 It's not.

00:18:15.080 And the deference and reliance

00:18:17.600 that we see between Canadians

00:18:19.760 and their government

00:18:20.840 has been the most disheartening

00:18:23.360 through the pandemic.

00:18:24.520 And this is not, again,

00:18:25.760 there's going to be some people

00:18:27.000 that are saying,

00:18:27.480 are you an anarchist?

00:18:28.300 No, I'm not.

00:18:30.320 I realize that there is a place

00:18:32.380 for the state,

00:18:33.640 but that place is best kept

00:18:36.280 constrained and confined

00:18:38.020 to the things that only government can do.

00:18:43.240 And the social contract

00:18:45.180 between government and citizens

00:18:46.580 is that government agrees

00:18:48.180 to make decisions

00:18:49.300 that allow citizens

00:18:50.760 the opportunity to live their lives,

00:18:52.580 not to live their lives for them

00:18:54.420 or just deny them the right

00:18:56.340 to live their lives altogether.

00:18:59.960 And I know this is a big picture concern.

00:19:02.880 I get that.

00:19:05.080 But if you get so focused on the micro,

00:19:08.380 you lose sight of that big picture.

00:19:10.680 And I fear that's where we are as a country.

00:19:12.620 That's where we are as Western society.

00:19:14.660 And that's the trend

00:19:17.340 that allows people to say,

00:19:18.460 well, it's just a mask.

00:19:19.840 It's just a mask.

00:19:20.820 It's fine.

00:19:22.660 You know, I did a little poll

00:19:24.000 and I think I may have talked about this

00:19:25.200 on the show in the past on Twitter,

00:19:26.700 not a formal poll by any stretch.

00:19:28.520 I said, I fear that unmasked air travel

00:19:30.680 is never coming back.

00:19:31.960 And I got a lot of response

00:19:33.360 that say, yeah, I agree with you.

00:19:34.540 I'm kind of pessimistic too.

00:19:35.800 And then I got a lot of pushback

00:19:37.400 from that saying, well,

00:19:38.400 well, I mean,

00:19:38.820 if that's the cost of reopening,

00:19:40.640 if that's the cost

00:19:41.360 of getting back to normal,

00:19:42.440 then that's fine.

00:19:43.400 And I'm, I mean,

00:19:45.640 Twitter is not conducive

00:19:46.720 to having substantive

00:19:48.180 or real discussions.

00:19:49.220 So I didn't, you know,

00:19:50.140 get into this, you know,

00:19:51.220 97 tweet thread

00:19:52.360 or whatever about it.

00:19:53.120 But I was thinking,

00:19:53.880 I said, you can't actually say that

00:19:55.900 with a straight face and mean it.

00:19:57.840 If wearing a mask

00:19:59.040 is the price of returning to normal,

00:20:01.420 because that is not inherently normal.

00:20:04.300 Covering your face

00:20:05.160 when you're out in public

00:20:06.000 is not inherently normal.

00:20:09.980 Especially at restaurants.

00:20:11.160 You know,

00:20:12.720 this is something that

00:20:14.460 a lot of people

00:20:15.620 fail to understand.

00:20:17.420 Because if you go to a restaurant,

00:20:18.900 you have to wear your mask

00:20:20.000 to go from the front door

00:20:21.460 to the table.

00:20:23.080 And then you sit down

00:20:23.860 and take the mask off

00:20:24.880 and everything's fine.

00:20:25.840 There's no COVID

00:20:26.460 when you're seated,

00:20:27.500 as we remember it.

00:20:28.220 It all goes above your heads.

00:20:29.800 But the service staff

00:20:31.360 are all wearing masks.

00:20:33.360 The people working in the kitchen

00:20:34.360 are all wearing masks.

00:20:36.380 So talk about

00:20:37.540 a classist element of this.

00:20:40.240 That, you know,

00:20:40.660 if you can dine out,

00:20:41.700 you're fully vaccinated,

00:20:42.700 you can sit down

00:20:43.460 and take off your mask

00:20:44.400 and you can talk

00:20:45.480 as much as you want

00:20:46.320 and drink and eat

00:20:47.060 and be merry.

00:20:47.860 But the people serving you,

00:20:49.560 the people serving you,

00:20:50.900 oh, they've got to wear masks.

00:20:53.860 And again,

00:20:54.380 that's just one example

00:20:55.560 of this.

00:20:56.800 And again,

00:20:57.160 if they want to, fine.

00:20:58.800 Some people enjoy

00:20:59.760 wearing a mask.

00:21:00.420 I've had people say,

00:21:01.380 well, you know what?

00:21:01.880 I haven't gotten a cold

00:21:02.740 in the last two years,

00:21:03.680 so I like wearing a mask.

00:21:04.620 Although I would contend

00:21:05.420 that you probably

00:21:06.180 haven't gotten a cold

00:21:06.780 because you haven't been

00:21:07.440 allowed to go anywhere.

00:21:08.540 But nevertheless,

00:21:09.440 if you enjoy it, fine.

00:21:11.540 I've been in Vermont

00:21:12.660 since their mask mandate

00:21:14.580 was lifted.

00:21:15.720 I was there,

00:21:16.280 I think a couple of times

00:21:17.340 and it was great.

00:21:19.700 Basically,

00:21:20.220 no one wore masks.

00:21:21.680 Absolutely no one

00:21:22.740 except for like

00:21:23.460 one or two people.

00:21:24.320 Both of them working

00:21:25.160 at Starbucks, incidentally.

00:21:26.340 I don't know what you extract

00:21:27.300 from that as far as

00:21:28.180 the demographic

00:21:29.120 of Starbucks employees.

00:21:30.680 And then I went down

00:21:31.480 to Florida a few months back

00:21:32.860 which had no mask mandate

00:21:34.060 and I saw a lot

00:21:35.020 of mask wearing.

00:21:36.480 A lot of mask wearing.

00:21:37.920 I don't know who or why

00:21:39.520 but a lot of people

00:21:40.820 voluntarily said,

00:21:42.540 okay, I'm wearing a mask

00:21:43.720 even though I don't have to.

00:21:45.760 And I thought that was great

00:21:46.940 because everyone in Canada

00:21:48.080 likes to look at Florida

00:21:49.080 as being just this

00:21:49.960 absolute cesspool

00:21:50.900 of bodies and piles

00:21:52.940 on the streets

00:21:53.600 climbing over dead bodies

00:21:54.940 to go to a business

00:21:56.380 and clinging to your freedom

00:21:57.840 and all that.

00:21:58.320 But in Florida

00:21:59.220 it's a good example

00:22:00.780 of what happens

00:22:01.500 if government says

00:22:02.220 make up your own minds.

00:22:04.620 People just to say,

00:22:05.700 you know what,

00:22:06.020 I'm more comfortable

00:22:06.500 with a mask,

00:22:07.060 I'm going to wear a mask.

00:22:08.080 Some businesses had signs

00:22:09.440 requiring mask wearing

00:22:10.660 as is their right to do.

00:22:13.300 And we leave people

00:22:14.460 to make their own choices.

00:22:16.960 But if you don't choose something

00:22:18.680 for yourself,

00:22:20.280 whatever it is,

00:22:21.600 you don't actually

00:22:22.700 get the chance

00:22:23.800 to be in control

00:22:24.860 of your own life.

00:22:26.800 And when you have

00:22:27.820 crossed that threshold,

00:22:29.740 when government

00:22:30.380 specifically has

00:22:31.460 crossed that threshold

00:22:32.300 and said,

00:22:32.680 you know what,

00:22:33.220 you no longer have a right

00:22:34.500 to make this decision

00:22:35.400 or that decision,

00:22:36.600 it's walking down a road

00:22:39.180 from which there is no return,

00:22:40.720 which is government

00:22:41.340 making more and more

00:22:42.940 of those very decisions.

00:22:44.120 And at a certain point,

00:22:45.000 what are you even doing?

00:22:46.860 We've got to take

00:22:47.700 a quick break.

00:22:48.520 When we come back,

00:22:49.120 more of The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:22:50.480 Stay with me.

00:22:53.680 You're tuned in

00:22:54.780 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:23:00.420 Welcome back

00:23:01.240 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:23:02.960 On Tuesday,

00:23:04.240 I mentioned this page

00:23:05.980 on the website

00:23:07.080 for the Niagara region

00:23:08.280 talking about

00:23:09.700 the lack of consent

00:23:11.180 required for vaccination.

00:23:13.720 And they were talking

00:23:14.260 about vaccinating students

00:23:15.460 in school.

00:23:16.060 And the website said,

00:23:17.560 under the Healthcare Consent Act,

00:23:19.480 be advised,

00:23:20.520 there is no minimum age

00:23:21.860 to provide consent.

00:23:22.860 This means that your child

00:23:23.900 can consent to be vaccinated

00:23:25.220 without parental consent.

00:23:28.380 Now, that was what they said.

00:23:29.660 And that's still there

00:23:30.620 on their website.

00:23:31.400 Now, this was a bit

00:23:32.240 of a flurry of response

00:23:34.180 that this generated online.

00:23:36.280 And Niagara region

00:23:37.660 had tweeted

00:23:38.460 that this was misinformation.

00:23:41.260 The public health unit

00:23:42.480 tweeted Tuesday morning,

00:23:43.640 We've learned of misinformation

00:23:45.260 being shared

00:23:46.140 that children aged 5 to 11

00:23:47.620 will be vaccinated at school

00:23:48.940 without parent

00:23:49.560 or legal guardian consent.

00:23:50.860 This is not true.

00:23:52.180 Niagara region public health

00:23:53.380 is working closely

00:23:54.200 with families

00:23:54.820 to obtain informed consent

00:23:56.380 to vaccinate children

00:23:57.560 5 to 11.

00:23:59.060 Clinics will be offered

00:23:59.980 outside of school hours.

00:24:01.220 This is to ensure

00:24:02.300 that parents or legal guardians

00:24:03.620 can be with their children

00:24:04.980 to provide consent

00:24:06.300 and support.

00:24:07.920 Now, there was an email

00:24:08.840 that was sent to parents

00:24:09.900 that one Twitter user

00:24:10.920 pointed out showing

00:24:11.900 that their vaccination clinic

00:24:13.640 was actually scheduled

00:24:14.540 for in-school hours.

00:24:16.000 I think it was 1 to 3 p.m.

00:24:17.300 So I'm not sure

00:24:18.340 if they're saying

00:24:18.860 that outside of school hours

00:24:20.020 is meant to be

00:24:20.640 the exclusive time slot

00:24:22.320 or if it was in addition

00:24:23.920 to other things

00:24:25.420 they're doing in school.

00:24:26.340 But nevertheless,

00:24:27.240 the point that they're making here

00:24:29.040 is that, no, no, no,

00:24:29.760 it's misinformation

00:24:30.600 to say that we don't require

00:24:32.540 parental consent.

00:24:33.760 Well, the misinformation

00:24:34.700 came from their own website.

00:24:38.000 And while the website

00:24:38.760 has since been changed,

00:24:40.060 it's still there

00:24:40.880 that their interpretation

00:24:42.340 of the Health Care Consent Act

00:24:43.860 is that there is

00:24:44.800 no minimum age to consent.

00:24:46.280 Any child can consent

00:24:47.480 to be vaccinated

00:24:48.340 without parental consent.

00:24:50.620 Now, they've amended this

00:24:52.640 with a little disclaimer

00:24:53.920 referring specifically

00:24:55.200 to COVID vaccination.

00:24:56.580 And they say,

00:24:57.460 Niagara Region Public Health

00:24:58.720 requires parental

00:24:59.840 slash guardian consent

00:25:01.080 for children

00:25:01.720 5 to 11 years of age

00:25:03.980 for the COVID-19 vaccine.

00:25:06.240 So their policy is

00:25:07.660 that they're going to get consent

00:25:08.720 for kids 5 to 11.

00:25:10.100 OK.

00:25:11.820 But that doesn't change

00:25:13.280 the fact that

00:25:13.940 their overarching view

00:25:15.720 is that they don't need

00:25:17.280 to do that.

00:25:18.360 They're saying

00:25:18.760 they will do it.

00:25:20.360 But they're also saying

00:25:21.440 like half an inch below that

00:25:23.840 that they don't feel

00:25:25.100 they need to do it.

00:25:26.560 So for them to accuse

00:25:28.140 everyone else

00:25:28.920 of literally quoting

00:25:29.920 their own words

00:25:30.940 of peddling misinformation.

00:25:32.320 And when I pointed it out,

00:25:33.800 I deliberately didn't editorialize.

00:25:35.980 I just quoted

00:25:36.520 from their website

00:25:37.300 and said this is their approach

00:25:38.560 to vaccination.

00:25:39.900 And I even said

00:25:40.540 on the show on Tuesday,

00:25:41.640 I qualified it by saying

00:25:42.660 they might just be talking

00:25:43.660 about, you know,

00:25:44.560 MMR and tetanus

00:25:45.980 and diphtheria and all that.

00:25:47.560 But the whole point is

00:25:48.600 if this is their view,

00:25:49.920 parents need to be

00:25:50.780 very much alarmed.

00:25:53.240 And just interestingly enough,

00:25:54.540 not connected

00:25:55.160 to COVID directly,

00:25:56.460 I saw this cross

00:25:57.540 my screen this morning

00:25:58.640 from the Woodstock

00:25:59.380 Police Service

00:26:00.080 in Ontario.

00:26:01.080 They gave a disclaimer,

00:26:02.900 a PSA of sorts,

00:26:04.260 about consent

00:26:05.400 for children

00:26:06.060 and the importance

00:26:06.680 of consent.

00:26:07.540 And they're talking

00:26:08.180 about sexual autonomy,

00:26:09.560 clearly.

00:26:10.520 They're saying that

00:26:11.060 the Special Victims Unit

00:26:12.100 wants you and your children

00:26:13.020 to know about consent.

00:26:14.280 It should never be assumed

00:26:15.240 or implied.

00:26:16.800 Consent is not silence

00:26:18.060 or the absence of no.

00:26:19.420 It can't be given

00:26:20.100 if you're impaired

00:26:20.720 or unconscious

00:26:21.500 and can never be obtained

00:26:22.960 through threats

00:26:24.060 or coercion.

00:26:25.300 Now, I'm not imputing

00:26:26.520 motive here.

00:26:27.100 I don't think someone

00:26:27.640 at Woodstock

00:26:28.240 was trying to subtweet

00:26:29.440 about COVID secretly

00:26:30.540 by talking about

00:26:32.000 sexual consent.

00:26:33.040 But it did strike me

00:26:34.620 as odd,

00:26:35.120 the mixed messaging

00:26:35.940 that we see

00:26:36.580 on so many different things.

00:26:38.120 We talk about

00:26:38.860 the importance of consent,

00:26:40.440 true, honest,

00:26:41.640 bona fide consent

00:26:42.620 not acquired through

00:26:43.800 coercion

00:26:44.720 or even persuasion

00:26:45.640 in one sense.

00:26:46.600 And then in the other sense,

00:26:47.680 it's get the jab

00:26:48.540 or else.

00:26:49.360 We talk about my body,

00:26:50.600 my choice

00:26:51.180 in some contexts

00:26:52.340 and then, well,

00:26:53.000 not when it comes

00:26:53.560 to vaccination.

00:26:54.980 And it's amazing

00:26:55.720 that all of these

00:26:56.380 sacred cows

00:26:57.080 that have been lifted up

00:26:58.000 by the left

00:26:58.560 as things that we need

00:26:59.520 to adhere to

00:27:00.500 in any number

00:27:01.040 of other areas

00:27:01.740 of society

00:27:02.360 are absolutely slaughtered

00:27:04.140 when they get in the way

00:27:05.180 of the narrative

00:27:06.340 that governments

00:27:06.860 are championing

00:27:07.580 with regard to COVID.

00:27:09.200 We've got to take

00:27:09.900 a quick break

00:27:10.680 when we come back

00:27:11.280 more of The Andrew Lawton

00:27:12.340 Show here on True North.

00:27:13.680 Stay tuned.

00:27:15.340 You're tuned in

00:27:16.480 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:27:20.300 Welcome back

00:27:21.120 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:27:22.740 So I know

00:27:23.300 I depressed you all

00:27:24.280 so much

00:27:24.900 in that first segment

00:27:25.940 of the program

00:27:26.480 talking about

00:27:27.160 civil liberties.

00:27:27.920 I don't know

00:27:28.780 if this will be

00:27:29.660 much more

00:27:30.700 of a pick-me-up,

00:27:31.700 but nevertheless

00:27:32.320 sometimes we all

00:27:33.320 need the hard truths

00:27:34.080 to survive

00:27:35.280 and to find

00:27:36.240 the appropriate remedies

00:27:37.140 to all of these

00:27:37.740 problems we identify.

00:27:39.440 Although again

00:27:39.840 optimism is just

00:27:40.920 generally in short

00:27:41.900 supply as of late.

00:27:43.280 I want to talk

00:27:43.720 about the throne speech

00:27:44.900 this week.

00:27:45.660 Franco Terrazano,

00:27:46.580 federal director

00:27:47.220 for the Canadian

00:27:48.220 Taxpayers Federation

00:27:49.280 joins me now.

00:27:50.820 Obviously this is

00:27:51.820 the throne speech

00:27:52.820 for a government

00:27:53.640 that's been re-elected

00:27:54.900 and just ran

00:27:55.900 an election campaign.

00:27:57.260 So not a lot

00:27:58.040 of surprises

00:27:58.920 but at the same

00:28:00.280 time also

00:28:00.900 not a lot

00:28:01.400 of good news

00:28:01.920 if you're a taxpayer

00:28:03.040 who cares about

00:28:03.820 things like

00:28:04.360 oh I don't know

00:28:04.900 balanced budget

00:28:05.860 managing the debt

00:28:07.000 fiscal restraint

00:28:08.100 all of these things

00:28:08.820 right?

00:28:10.200 Well you know

00:28:11.220 from this throne speech

00:28:12.400 sometimes what tells

00:28:13.680 you the most

00:28:14.300 is what isn't said

00:28:15.680 and we didn't hear

00:28:17.160 a single mention

00:28:18.300 of the deficit

00:28:19.440 or the debt.

00:28:20.960 Now we understand

00:28:21.440 that there's many

00:28:22.000 priorities that many

00:28:22.940 governments have

00:28:23.720 right now

00:28:24.540 but a key priority

00:28:26.220 for this federal government

00:28:27.400 has to be the debt

00:28:28.260 and deficit

00:28:28.620 because we have seen

00:28:29.660 a massive amount

00:28:30.620 of government borrowing

00:28:31.400 the federal debt

00:28:32.360 is now more than

00:28:33.100 a trillion dollars

00:28:33.900 which means that

00:28:34.520 each Canadian

00:28:35.140 is on the hook

00:28:36.120 for about $30,000

00:28:37.360 in federal government

00:28:38.680 debt alone

00:28:39.200 and Andrew

00:28:39.840 I don't know

00:28:40.180 too many Canadians 1.00

00:28:40.920 right now

00:28:41.340 that have tens

00:28:41.960 of thousands

00:28:42.580 of dollars

00:28:43.160 lying around

00:28:43.800 to pay their

00:28:44.260 politicians

00:28:44.720 credit card bills

00:28:45.580 so it's unfortunate

00:28:46.780 that we didn't hear

00:28:48.340 this government

00:28:49.080 really take this

00:28:49.880 deficit problem seriously.

00:28:51.700 Yeah and the problem

00:28:52.560 with that is

00:28:53.480 that it's something

00:28:54.140 that only gets

00:28:55.140 more and more expensive

00:28:56.440 the less you deal

00:28:57.440 with it

00:28:57.800 and that's

00:28:58.360 the big problem

00:28:58.940 and even if you

00:28:59.800 want to appeal

00:29:00.360 to deficit problems

00:29:02.180 and debt problems

00:29:03.020 to people

00:29:03.940 that are on

00:29:04.400 the political left

00:29:05.360 and tend to like

00:29:06.140 big government spending

00:29:07.060 well the more

00:29:07.460 you're spending

00:29:07.920 on maintaining

00:29:08.820 and managing

00:29:09.540 your debt

00:29:09.980 the less you're

00:29:10.760 actually able

00:29:11.260 to spend

00:29:11.660 on services.

00:29:13.500 Well interest

00:29:13.920 charges right

00:29:14.580 just interest

00:29:15.100 charges on the

00:29:15.660 government debt

00:29:16.080 alone

00:29:16.440 eat away money

00:29:17.300 as you mentioned

00:29:17.980 that could be

00:29:18.520 going to health care

00:29:19.280 could be going

00:29:19.780 to fixing roads

00:29:20.520 and stuff of that

00:29:21.280 nature.

00:29:21.620 We've talked

00:29:22.440 about this

00:29:22.820 before but

00:29:23.440 under the

00:29:24.140 current trajectory

00:29:25.100 we wouldn't

00:29:25.820 see a balanced

00:29:26.340 budget until

00:29:26.900 2070 and if

00:29:27.920 that were to

00:29:28.380 happen Andrew

00:29:29.240 we would lose

00:29:30.400 out on

00:29:30.840 3.8 trillion

00:29:32.560 dollars just

00:29:33.840 in debt

00:29:34.300 interest charges

00:29:35.080 over those

00:29:36.060 five decades

00:29:36.760 which is a

00:29:37.320 staggering amount

00:29:38.280 of money.

00:29:39.180 So if you want

00:29:40.160 to see better

00:29:40.680 health care

00:29:41.100 you should be

00:29:42.000 worried about

00:29:42.560 the money

00:29:42.900 that we're

00:29:43.220 losing to

00:29:43.680 debt interest

00:29:44.140 charges

00:29:44.500 but one more

00:29:45.520 thing that we

00:29:46.000 need to talk

00:29:46.520 about here

00:29:46.960 is the

00:29:47.820 inflation tax

00:29:48.860 and of course

00:29:49.360 inflation is

00:29:50.180 regressive

00:29:50.700 because as

00:29:51.300 prices go up

00:29:52.180 the people who

00:29:52.940 have the least

00:29:53.700 amount of money

00:29:54.220 in their bank

00:29:54.700 accounts already

00:29:55.480 find life

00:29:57.060 less and less

00:29:58.040 affordable

00:29:58.740 and really

00:30:00.080 we have seen

00:30:00.980 the Bank of

00:30:01.480 Canada print

00:30:02.060 so much money

00:30:02.960 much of what

00:30:03.840 they're purchasing

00:30:04.680 is government

00:30:05.560 of Canada debt.

00:30:06.860 Yeah and you

00:30:07.280 were on this

00:30:07.740 show just last

00:30:08.740 week we were

00:30:09.280 talking about

00:30:09.840 the inflation

00:30:10.400 crisis you

00:30:11.100 brought I

00:30:11.500 think some

00:30:11.800 very stark

00:30:12.540 stats and

00:30:13.180 even some

00:30:14.000 very positive

00:30:15.060 remedies for it

00:30:16.560 or proposed

00:30:17.060 remedies but

00:30:17.680 the throne

00:30:18.340 speech

00:30:18.760 acknowledged

00:30:19.680 inflation but

00:30:20.520 didn't really

00:30:21.360 talk about it.

00:30:23.320 Well you're

00:30:24.140 right it

00:30:24.540 acknowledged the

00:30:25.560 word inflation

00:30:26.440 and that the

00:30:27.340 cost of living

00:30:28.180 is going up

00:30:29.240 but that was

00:30:29.820 on one side

00:30:31.200 on one hand

00:30:32.060 but it's very

00:30:32.940 difficult to

00:30:33.680 think that this

00:30:34.680 government is

00:30:35.140 actually taking

00:30:35.980 inflation serious

00:30:37.200 when on the

00:30:38.160 other hand it

00:30:38.900 also talks about

00:30:39.760 the increasing

00:30:40.480 carbon tax

00:30:41.300 so they're

00:30:41.860 talking about

00:30:42.500 wanting to

00:30:43.680 make life more

00:30:44.600 affordable for

00:30:45.220 Canadians but

00:30:45.900 how can you do

00:30:46.540 that when you

00:30:47.320 continue

00:30:48.240 continue to

00:30:49.080 soak Canadians

00:30:50.020 for more

00:30:50.520 money every

00:30:50.980 time they go

00:30:51.420 to the pumps

00:30:51.920 now we've

00:30:52.660 already seen

00:30:53.480 the Trudeau

00:30:54.180 government's

00:30:54.660 carbon tax

00:30:55.220 increase twice

00:30:56.360 during the

00:30:57.620 pandemic with

00:30:58.340 another increase

00:30:59.080 set for next

00:31:00.240 year but we

00:31:01.360 have to remember

00:31:02.000 by 2030 the

00:31:03.160 Trudeau government

00:31:03.760 wants to increase

00:31:04.520 its carbon tax

00:31:05.480 to about 40

00:31:06.300 cents per liter

00:31:07.060 of gasoline and

00:31:08.120 impose a second

00:31:09.100 carbon tax which

00:31:10.260 could add another

00:31:11.140 11 cents per

00:31:12.620 liter of gasoline.

00:31:13.520 Yeah and the

00:31:14.780 carbon tax I

00:31:15.560 mean the

00:31:15.760 government is

00:31:16.300 not showing

00:31:17.020 any signs of

00:31:18.520 pardon the pun

00:31:19.400 taking its foot

00:31:20.180 off the gas

00:31:20.720 pedal on this

00:31:21.260 they're going

00:31:22.060 full steam ahead

00:31:22.880 we know that

00:31:23.400 the government

00:31:23.760 has further

00:31:24.360 committed to

00:31:24.920 doing even

00:31:25.400 more at the

00:31:26.420 Glasgow summit

00:31:27.300 what are we

00:31:28.060 really talking

00:31:28.740 about here I

00:31:29.320 mean how bad

00:31:29.780 is this going

00:31:30.180 to get?

00:31:31.940 Well you know I

00:31:32.720 don't have the

00:31:33.160 crystal ball in

00:31:33.940 terms of what

00:31:34.460 are we all going

00:31:35.000 to be paying at

00:31:35.460 the gas pumps

00:31:36.120 but it doesn't

00:31:37.680 look good and

00:31:38.580 you know the

00:31:39.460 government is

00:31:40.300 talking about how

00:31:41.220 this is an

00:31:41.680 environmental plan but

00:31:42.660 we have to push

00:31:43.280 back on that

00:31:44.000 because the

00:31:44.540 carbon tax is

00:31:45.340 not an

00:31:45.780 environmental plan

00:31:46.600 it's a tax

00:31:47.160 plan when if

00:31:48.380 you want to look

00:31:48.980 at the environment

00:31:49.520 you have to take

00:31:50.220 a global approach

00:31:51.100 right in Canada

00:31:52.180 we make up 1.5%

00:31:54.040 of global emissions

00:31:54.820 so even if the

00:31:56.320 Trudeau government

00:31:56.880 wanted to bring

00:31:57.720 all of our

00:31:58.260 industries to a

00:31:59.080 screeching halt

00:31:59.880 which would cause 0.82

00:32:00.900 so much pain

00:32:01.640 for so many

00:32:02.080 Canadians it still

00:32:03.180 wouldn't do much

00:32:03.780 for the global

00:32:04.280 environment we all

00:32:05.820 we have to do is

00:32:06.420 look at British 1.00

00:32:07.000 Columbia our

00:32:07.620 neighbors out there

00:32:08.400 in the west

00:32:08.880 they have had the

00:32:10.760 highest carbon tax

00:32:11.720 in Canada for so

00:32:12.520 long but emissions

00:32:13.600 continue to go up

00:32:15.000 and up

00:32:15.680 yeah I think you're

00:32:17.520 very right to

00:32:18.440 point that out

00:32:19.500 one other aspect

00:32:20.680 of this and you

00:32:21.260 and I have talked

00:32:21.780 about this in the

00:32:22.320 past that was in

00:32:22.960 the throne speech

00:32:23.560 is the gun buyback

00:32:24.680 again the government

00:32:25.860 planning to go full

00:32:26.760 steam ahead on this

00:32:27.540 but not really

00:32:28.200 acknowledging what

00:32:29.140 you've identified as

00:32:30.360 being the potential

00:32:31.540 key costs here

00:32:32.540 oh it's it just it

00:32:35.240 just has all the

00:32:36.060 makings for another

00:32:36.940 taxpayer boondoggle

00:32:38.180 we we've heard from

00:32:39.960 the parliamentary budget

00:32:40.860 officer the government's

00:32:41.900 own independent budget

00:32:42.880 watchdog that the cost

00:32:44.620 just to reimburse gun

00:32:46.580 owners would be could

00:32:47.840 be up to 756 million

00:32:50.760 dollars but Andrew as

00:32:52.140 you know that that's not

00:32:53.540 even the biggest cost of

00:32:54.440 this program because if

00:32:55.420 you look at staffing and

00:32:56.900 administration for this

00:32:58.240 gun buyback well that

00:32:59.480 could balloon into the

00:33:00.560 billions of dollars and

00:33:02.880 so this is a another very

00:33:04.700 expensive program but

00:33:05.880 what's worse is that not

00:33:07.440 only is it expensive it's

00:33:09.120 not going to improve

00:33:09.760 public safety we've heard

00:33:10.980 from the people on the

00:33:11.720 front lines that that's

00:33:13.240 that this is not going to

00:33:14.240 help the the mounties

00:33:15.420 union they came out and

00:33:17.100 they said um this isn't

00:33:19.120 going to help public

00:33:20.200 safety because it's

00:33:21.000 targeting law-abiding

00:33:22.500 Canadians and in fact it

00:33:24.160 could be worse because

00:33:25.120 it's diverting those

00:33:26.380 resources which could be

00:33:27.520 used to crack down on

00:33:28.500 crime to a gun buyback

00:33:30.620 that targets law-abiding

00:33:32.380 Canadians yeah it doesn't

00:33:34.040 strike me as a point that

00:33:35.140 needs to be made although

00:33:36.120 I guess given the

00:33:36.920 political climate in

00:33:37.740 Canada I do need to

00:33:38.640 make it that you know

00:33:39.660 the people that are

00:33:40.360 lining up outside the

00:33:41.680 police station to bring

00:33:42.920 in their legally owned

00:33:43.960 guns to be turned into

00:33:46.240 you know just smelted

00:33:47.440 down and turned into

00:33:48.480 nothingness are not the

00:33:50.060 people who are using

00:33:50.880 those guns in criminal

00:33:52.100 acts of course I mean

00:33:54.200 you're not going to get

00:33:54.880 too many gangsters or

00:33:56.720 gang members that are

00:33:57.760 going to be showing up to

00:33:58.420 government offices with

00:33:59.500 their guns right I mean

00:34:00.880 it's just a little bit of

00:34:01.720 common sense here now we

00:34:03.040 all want Canada to be to be

00:34:04.800 a safe place but the

00:34:05.800 last thing that we need

00:34:06.940 right now with the

00:34:07.740 government in a sea of

00:34:08.840 red ink with inflation

00:34:09.900 rising is to have

00:34:11.420 another wasteful

00:34:12.580 government program and

00:34:13.920 just lastly here one

00:34:15.480 idea that I hope just

00:34:16.640 died before the election

00:34:17.880 and would never be

00:34:19.000 revived again has sadly

00:34:20.280 been revived and that

00:34:21.680 is the government

00:34:22.200 planning to go after

00:34:23.260 online content and

00:34:24.480 online speech yeah I

00:34:26.860 mean we we were hoping

00:34:28.380 that Bill C-10 was was

00:34:29.920 dead for good before the

00:34:31.080 snap election but it

00:34:32.420 looks like through the

00:34:33.420 throne speech is they

00:34:34.520 want to bring some form

00:34:35.680 of that bill back and

00:34:37.120 the Canadian Taxpayers

00:34:37.980 Federation we are one of

00:34:39.160 the groups there was many

00:34:40.640 groups that were sounding

00:34:41.540 the alarm over this and

00:34:43.000 what we're very worried

00:34:44.080 about as many have

00:34:45.120 pointed out is that this

00:34:46.300 could be trampling on our

00:34:47.760 freedom of expression

00:34:48.700 online the law and and

00:34:50.680 and we have learned

00:34:52.420 through COVID-19 Andrew

00:34:53.880 shows like yours how

00:34:55.460 important it is to hold

00:34:56.900 governments accountable

00:34:57.840 through through online

00:34:59.420 mediums well how would

00:35:01.700 this impact Canadians

00:35:03.000 ability to hold our

00:35:04.120 politicians accountable if

00:35:05.500 you have these unelected

00:35:07.200 bureaucrats in Ottawa

00:35:08.260 putting our online content

00:35:09.980 under their microscope so

00:35:11.780 the last people that

00:35:12.560 should be telling us how

00:35:13.500 to hold our governments

00:35:14.440 accountable online are the

00:35:16.040 CRTC bureaucrats so

00:35:17.440 whatever this new Bill C-10

00:35:19.320 is going to look like it's

00:35:20.240 something that we're going

00:35:20.840 to fight you're very right

00:35:22.120 about that and I think

00:35:23.060 obviously the primary

00:35:24.300 objection to that is what

00:35:25.740 you just noted the attack

00:35:26.900 to fundamental freedoms to

00:35:28.360 to civil liberties but there

00:35:29.760 there is I would argue a

00:35:30.820 taxpayer concern as well

00:35:32.240 because anytime you're

00:35:33.540 bureaucratizing speech and

00:35:35.480 specifically online speech

00:35:37.060 you're you're for you're

00:35:38.720 formally requiring the

00:35:40.420 government to take on this

00:35:41.760 task of regulating what

00:35:43.760 people say online and I

00:35:45.500 know that there will be

00:35:46.260 people that weaponize any

00:35:47.860 speech restrictions that

00:35:48.900 come in and all of a

00:35:49.660 sudden we have to pay a

00:35:50.920 legion of Canadian Human

00:35:52.120 Rights Commission

00:35:52.660 investigators to just

00:35:53.700 review tweets all day

00:35:54.780 yeah exactly it's a

00:35:56.760 bureaucrat's dream right

00:35:57.940 it's a bureaucrat's dream and

00:35:58.920 who pays the bill for those

00:36:00.000 bureaucrats us taxpayers but

00:36:01.700 Andrew it's even worse than

00:36:02.860 that because you hear

00:36:04.080 politicians talking about

00:36:05.240 how this type of bill would

00:36:07.000 make the so-called web

00:36:08.480 giants pay well who's going

00:36:10.200 to really end up paying the

00:36:11.200 tab for that it's going to

00:36:12.500 be us it's going to be us

00:36:13.540 consumers who get the bill

00:36:14.780 for that right so so we're

00:36:16.460 we're dinged once as

00:36:17.660 taxpayers paying for this

00:36:18.800 legion of bureaucrats and

00:36:20.620 we're going to be dinged

00:36:21.300 twice as consumers while we

00:36:23.580 see our streaming bills go up

00:36:24.880 like I said not too much in

00:36:26.620 the way of optimism but

00:36:27.700 but better to diagnose

00:36:28.960 before you can ever dream

00:36:30.740 to respond Franco 0.88

00:36:31.860 Terrazano federal director

00:36:33.080 for the Canadian Tax

00:36:34.300 Fairers Federation always a

00:36:35.380 pleasure sir hey thanks for

00:36:37.560 having me on my pleasure

00:36:39.120 you're welcome on anytime

00:36:40.160 and with that we've got to

00:36:41.760 wrap things up here my

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