00:02:14.980This just came out moments ago, folks.
00:02:16.900So basically, they were talking about Kurt Steimer, the British Prime Minister, who was in the White House, who was visiting with Trump and his cabinet yesterday.
00:02:24.380They were talking about that. And then the conversation pivoted over to Chrystia Freeland in Canada.
00:02:29.620So basically, the interviewer, Ben, says this is the attitude of some of these other left of centre politicians, Chrystia Freeland up in Canada, who is doing a debate.
00:02:39.980She's trying to lead the Liberal Party up there now into this election, and she says there needs
00:02:44.740to be a nuclear alliance with other European nations and Japan against the United States
00:02:49.860because you're predatory, talking to Donald Trump. Trump replies, yes, she's terrible. I'll tell you
00:02:55.360what, I know her very well. She's absolutely terrible for the country. She's incompetent
00:03:00.040in many respects and could only cause ill will for Canada. In fact, Governor Trudeau understood
00:03:05.880that. I call him governor. Governor Trudeau understood that. And he actually fired her
00:03:10.740because of a meeting he had with me. Interesting tidbit there. So Donald Trump is claiming
00:03:15.320responsibility for Chrysia Freeland getting thrown under the bus and kicked out of Trudeau's
00:03:21.200cabinet. And remember that she resigned a few days later. Let me just continue in this transcript.
00:03:26.100He said, I said, she's so bad. She's bad for the country. You know, if I were talented,
00:03:31.540I know people that are sort of bad people, but they do a good job running for the country.
00:03:36.380And he's saying that she's not one of those people.
00:03:38.520Who's going to get the nomination, do you think, he asks.
00:03:41.200The interviewer, Ben, says, I don't know.
00:03:43.100After the debate, they seemed, well, she's the nuttiest, but they all seem pretty nutty to me.
00:15:48.740that they don't like what Trump is saying and Trump is pushing Canadians back into the arms
00:15:53.920of the Liberals and it's terrifying. Kevin what do you think? Yeah like you know back in in December
00:16:00.780I think it was like December 30th there was a poll put out by I think it was Angus Reid
00:16:05.480and you know the Liberals were at you know all-time lows in terms of support historic lows
00:16:11.320you know the lowest point of support that the party has had in its 150 some odd year history
00:16:18.100So it just makes me from watching the markets, the stock markets and whatnot, it's called a relief rally, right?
00:16:26.400So this support that you're seeing, this rise in support, it's just a classic bounce back off of historic lows.
00:16:34.500And, you know, it was driven primarily by fear through the media and through the government and changing the ballot box question from, you know, axe the tax and Justin Trudeau sucks to, oh, my God, you know, Trump is going to destroy us all.
00:16:54.800And we know that, you know, the Canadian, the average Canadian mind is very easily manipulated, you know, with a relatively, you know, in a relatively short time.
00:17:06.480I mean, just look at how people reacted to the, you know, so-called dangers of COVID.
00:17:12.420You know, 80 percent of the people were, if not more, were masking up all of through this, you know, fear driven, you know, media event.
00:17:20.480And it's the same type of tactic that the media is using on Donald Trump.
00:17:27.320It's, you know, basically what they're doing is engaging, in my opinion, you can probably see a different opinion,
00:17:35.100but in my opinion, they're engaging in psychological warfare on the Canadian people in order to, you know,
00:17:42.940in order to drive their polls to the upside because the only winners of of this you know
00:17:49.820strategy that the media is playing is the liberal party that's they're the only liberals they're the
00:17:55.100only winners because that is how they govern they govern through fear they govern through crisis
00:18:00.460uh you know manufactured crisis or not and you know over the last nine or ten years how many
00:18:05.580crises have we been through uh under this liberal party you know the pandemic the the the uh climate
00:18:11.180crisis and now you know economic crisis with with donald trump and every time they declare
00:18:16.060a new you know so-called crisis uh you know their polling numbers get better you're right and uh
00:18:21.100mark carney said this in the debate he said that we're facing a bigger crisis than covid then the
00:18:25.900financial crisis of 2008 and mark carney is the only one apparently that can get us through the
00:18:30.940crisis so just a follow-up for you kevin do you believe the polls when you see these polls that
00:18:35.820show the the recent one from ipsos which is a very reputable pollster you know there's there's frank
00:18:40.620graves and ecos he was the first one to say that the liberals are catching up he he's sort of seen
00:18:45.740not as legitimately um as a pollster he's more of a partisan liberal and sometimes he's been wrong
00:18:51.100whereas ipsos isn't like that and now it seems that the the critical mass of pollsters are are
00:18:56.860showing you know the ipsos poll story earlier this week showed that the liberals are up two points
00:19:00.700that they're at 38 the conservatives nationally are pulling at 36. that's not good news for
00:19:07.260poliev and his team is it is it real though or or is is the media sort of somehow manipulating this
00:19:13.580to convince canadians that mark carney is the front runner and he is the sort of
00:19:17.580you know the the front runner to be the prime minister when the election well when i look at
00:19:22.460polls right like the ipsos poll that you show or you know the countless other polls i don't look
00:19:26.940at the percentage in numbers but i look at the the change in percentage over a period of time
00:19:31.820on their own polls so you know everybody's coming out and saying oh you know the polls are fake now
00:19:36.140But a year ago or two years ago, when they were showing the Conservatives were, you know, a big league, nobody was saying the polls were fake, right?
00:19:43.340So if you compare the polls to themselves over time, and then you can compare the rise and the fall instead of the actual percentage versus one party to another, then you can get a good idea.
00:19:54.300So we don't know what their support is, but we know that there is definitely a change in trend and there is a move away from the Conservative Party to the Liberal Party and from the NDP to the Liberal Party.
00:20:09.140Because I think, you know, this one thing, you know, realized he qualified for his pension, his his primary goal now is to, you know, it seems to be to get the liberals reelected.
00:20:20.060And he can only do that by tanking his own party, which he's, you know, quite capable of doing.
00:20:26.220So, you know, it's it's from both sides. And if you look at, you know, historically speaking, the conservatives were way higher than than their polling averages, historic polling averages.
00:20:37.800So, you know, the people that they gained over the two, three years or whatnot since the last election that, you know, people were unhappy with with Justin Trudeau and just gravitated towards the Conservative Party, like Brett said earlier, are just, you know, are just going back.
00:20:55.140And if you look at the demographics, you know, mostly is in Ontario and it's, you know, my family, you know, my parents, you know, the older generation, you know, they're lifelong liberals and they were, you know, gravitating towards the Conservative Party and now they're back to the liberals.
00:21:13.280So it's, you know, the older generations that, you know, primarily get their news from, you know, CTV, CBC, you know, whatever you want to call it, that are actually buying into this fear.
00:21:28.060Like you throw out this, you know, try a balloon, you know, predictive programming, and then you start saying it over and over and over again until enough people actually believe it.
00:21:40.100And then once it does that, it starts to snowball.
00:21:42.200So I don't see this, you know, change in trend, you know, slowing down anytime soon, as long as the narrative is driven and focused on, you know, Donald Trump. And, you know, when they pulled out, pulled Trudeau out and announced this, you know, this rigorous process of, you know, electing a new leader, I said, at that point, I said, you know, now it's very likely that the Conservatives are going to lose their majority government, they're probably going to win a minority, and they might even lose the election because
00:22:12.180of this and you know fast forward uh two months later a month and a half later and that's the
00:22:16.980position that we're in it was very easy and it was really nothing to do with you know uh you know
00:22:22.740pierre polyev or or or justin trudeau but had everything to do with how easily manipulated
00:22:28.100the average person is into buying a false narrative or or or straight up propaganda
00:22:34.900it's interesting that you talk about your parents there and how they may have moved back
00:22:37.940i i feel that way too like i i don't know anybody who gets their news from cbc like literally i
00:22:42.820don't know anybody who believes it or trusts it and the people that i know who are sort of
00:22:46.740of that older generation like the boomers they're the people that support true north and they like
00:22:53.300hate and loathe and despise the cbc and they're always trying to convince their friends not to
00:22:57.860watch it my own parents like i i would have considered my own parents to be more on the
00:23:02.100conservative side they came out and visited us during it just happened that it overlapped they
00:23:14.260But how deranged they were about President Trump.
00:23:16.800Like they really, they were radicalized.
00:23:18.960It's like they started watching the CBC.
00:23:21.300All of a sudden they were watching MSNBC and hanging off their seats.
00:23:24.480Everything that Rachel Maddow was telling them they believed to be true.
00:23:27.220So they think that Donald Trump is a literal fascist who's going to invade Canada.
00:23:31.560And it's like, it's hard to even like walk someone away from that position.
00:23:36.120But it does make you realize that the CBC still does have a stronghold, even though their viewership is at an all time low and people who are online, people like us, it's so easy to mock them because they're so ridiculous.
00:23:48.040But but there is a subset of the population, maybe even a critical subset that still believes and hangs off every word that Rosemary Barton and the CBC has to say.
00:23:59.740Well, if we're talking about parents, I'll just share a little anecdote there.
00:24:04.240my my uh mother what used to be one of those uh people who would watch cbc she had cnn on the tv
00:24:12.960like all the time uh back when uh trump's first presidency and i used to tell her uh i i had he
00:24:19.740well i've assigned he was a lot younger at that time i said i'm not letting him go over there if
00:24:23.740you're just going to be playing propaganda all the time you know with cbc and cnn i was like
00:24:29.260just turn it off when he goes over and but if you're not going to i don't want one going over
00:24:33.360Kind of in a somewhat joking way, but also serious.
00:24:37.220And, you know, it wasn't until the coronavirus pandemic and all that where, and really after the vaccine rolled out, she realized how much they actually lie, right?
00:24:52.440That's when she started to see through them.
00:24:54.060And now I would say she's, to use a term, she's kind of red-pilled now.
00:24:59.500So there is, people can break through that.
00:25:02.080well that's nice uh that must be nice for you i'm still trying to find a way to red pill my own
00:25:06.960parents but yeah i to me watching how the cbc covered the trucker convoy like i've never been
00:25:13.520a fan of the cbc and i think they've gotten markedly worse over the last decade but watching
00:25:18.320how that narrative unfolded i mean for us as like independent journalists we were watching it too
00:25:23.680and what i saw was like a hopeful movement of like working class people saying enough is enough we've
00:25:29.800had enough and Canadians rallying around. It was like a beautiful story of like an uprising
00:25:35.140in support of freedom. And then to see the way that it wasn't just CBC, but it was all of them,
00:25:39.760CTV, all the newspapers, everybody just viewed it in this totally different lens. I believe it was
00:25:44.920getting fed to them by the Trudeau government that they decided we have to paint these people
00:25:48.380as insurrectionists, as like a January 6th, they're far-right racist fascists, they're funded
00:25:53.540by the Americans, this whole story that at the time there was no evidence to point to it. But
00:25:58.940way that they in in a coordinated in fact it was it was a psyop it was propaganda and i do think
00:26:04.540that that experience that one story did red pill to use your term but a lot of people like i mean
00:26:10.140i meet people almost all the time who say you know it was during the pandemic during the trucker
00:26:15.260convoy specifically the freedom convoy that i came to realize that i could trust true north and i
00:26:20.380could not trust the cbc um and so you know those those are opportunities for us but at the same time
00:26:25.820time, you know, we're still just a fraction of the population. And I'm worried that, well,
00:26:33.300that they could continue and that we could see, like six weeks ago, if you told me Mark Carney
00:26:37.140is not only going to be selected as prime minister by the Liberal Party, but that he will go into a
00:26:41.500general election and win, I would be like, that's just an absolute pipe dream, never going to happen.
00:26:47.120You know, the Canadian people want an election, they want Trudeau gone, they want to punish the
00:26:50.160Liberals, Pierre Polyev will win in a sweeping majority, like 100%. And now it's like, you know,
00:26:56.200we're at the end of February. And I think that the odds of Polyev winning have gone down
00:27:01.580remarkably. What do you think about that, Kevin? Yeah, like, you know, my first time I came out
00:27:09.720publicly, you know, on a public forum and said that Carney is going to be the next Prime Minister.
00:27:13.860It was back in 2019. So I've been talking about, you know, Mark Carney replacing Justin Trudeau for a very long time. So, you know, it doesn't surprise me at all that not only is Carney going to be the next, you know, Prime Minister, Liberal leader and Prime Minister in what, like two weeks? He'll be the next Prime Minister.
00:27:39.980Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. And it doesn't surprise me that he may actually have a chance at forming government. And if he doesn't form government, you know, and the Conservatives manage to pull out a minority, then he'll have the ability to form a coalition government, right?
00:27:59.460and then, you know, launch a non-confidence vote in 12 to 18 months
00:28:04.520and then form government after that, you know,
00:28:09.360take Polyev out through a non-confidence vote.
00:28:12.840So that is likely, you know, what's going to happen
00:28:16.620is they're either going to form government
00:28:18.820or they're going to topple the government
00:28:33.500But I remember thinking at the time and writing it that, you know, it would have been a lot better if Justin Trudeau had led the liberals into the next election and taken them all down with him because he wasn't going to go anywhere.
00:28:47.000You know, he wasn't going to get reelected.
00:28:48.500So it would have been much better if he stayed on as the leader and dragged the Liberal Party down with him.
00:28:56.100Okay, let's move on because we had an election in Ontario last night.
00:28:59.360I don't think the results surprised anyone, but Doug Ford cruised to his third straight consecutive majority government in Ontario.
00:29:07.780It wasn't close. Within minutes after the polls closed, the results were in.
00:29:14.660And whoops, are we having some technical difficulties?
00:29:16.160okay. The results we're in, it looks at this point like the PCs will win with 43% of the vote,
00:29:22.70080 seats. NDP gets 27. So they'll hold on to their official opposition status. The liberal party down
00:29:29.540to 14 seats, even though interestingly, they got 30% of the vote. So much more, much bigger percent
00:29:34.860of the vote than the NDP. But the NDP's vote clearly was much more efficient. You had two
00:29:39.960green parties seats and one independent. So a couple of interesting facts about the election
00:29:46.700last night. Voter turnout was incredibly low, right? So we had, it looks like the voter turnout
00:29:51.480was 45%. So fewer than half of eligible voters on Ontario bothered to show up just slightly above
00:29:57.800the 2022. 2022 was also noted for being extremely low voter turnout, only 44%. And I suppose that
00:30:04.880was still COVID related. I don't really know. Back in 2018, voter turnout was 57%. So considerably
00:30:12.560lower. And if you look at the federal numbers, like in 2015, 68% of Canadians voted, eligible
00:30:19.000voters voted. 2019, it was 67. 2021, it was 62. And again, that was like a COVID election. So not a
00:30:26.840lot of enthusiasm. I would read that as like a lot of the sort of base of the conservative party
00:30:32.140stayed home because they weren't very enthusiastic about Doug Ford. But still, you know, it's
00:30:38.340historic. So we will play this clip of Doug Ford at his victory speech. Of course, part of the
00:30:44.340reason that he won, part of the reason the auction happened is because he was pitting himself as
00:30:48.400the opponent of Donald Trump, the one that can stand up to Donald Trump. So here he is
00:30:52.720at his victory speech talking about President Trump.
00:30:55.400Donald Trump thinks he can break us. He thinks he can divide and conquer, pit region against region.
00:31:04.560Donald Trump doesn't know what we know. He is underestimating us.
00:31:10.360He is underestimating the resilience of the Canadian people, the Canadian spirit.
00:31:16.180Make no mistake, Canada won't start a fight with the U.S., but you better believe we're ready to win one.
00:31:23.360Okay, so Doug Ford doing his thing. Now you had some sad faces over at the CBC afterwards. Here
00:31:31.000is Rosemary Barton downplaying Doug Ford's victory. She's saying that the key takeaway
00:31:36.320is that Doug Ford should be very careful, apparently, and that this was not a sweeping
00:31:41.180supermajority. Let's play that clip. I don't think that Doug Ford can look at this result
00:31:46.640and not take some sort of message from it. Yes, the message can be people still like me. I have
00:31:52.380a mandate now to go ahead and deal with Donald Trump, but I think it would be foolish to not
00:31:58.440also take from the results tonight. I have to be careful. This is not the sweeping supermajority
00:32:05.560that we've been talking about. I don't know. It does look like a sweeping supermajority to me.
00:32:11.640I can't imagine liberals winning that many seats and them saying anything like that. Brett,
00:32:16.700what do you think? Well, that was the first time I watched CBC in a long time. So that was interesting.
00:32:22.380I don't know. Doug Ford, he's basically just a liberal light. So it's not surprising that in a province that is a very liberal province that he would come away with the victory. Yeah.
00:32:42.940okay kevin do you have any thoughts on it i mean it it's predictable and the the one of the posts
00:32:50.780that i put out this morning was you know how can you hold all these covid collaborators to account
00:32:56.940if you keep re-electing them to government right you know look what doug ford did a lot of people
00:33:01.580say oh you know you can blame you know justin trudeau's liberals for what they did federally
00:33:05.420and they did a lot you know with with their you know mandates and restrictions but you know they
00:33:11.340They also handed out money to, I think it was, you know, over a billion dollars to get, you know, premiers to buy into the passport program.
00:33:19.640So, you know, it was, you know, that was a provincial issue.
00:33:22.240You know, you know, what Doug Ford did with Adamson's barbecue with it, with the, you know, shutting it down and, you know, basically dragging them out, you know, authoritarian style arrests in front of the cameras.
00:33:35.640You know, a lot of the tyrannical lockdown policies were not just from the federal government, they're from the provincial governments as well.
00:33:46.080So that was the biggest issue that I that I have that, you know, how can we hold these people to account when we keep reelecting them?
00:33:53.700That just guarantees that there's going to be more of it in the future, because now you just normalized all that stuff that they that they did in the past and said, yeah, who cares?
00:34:03.140you know we we destroyed your small business who cares if we destroyed your livelihood
00:34:07.300who cares if we you know that caused a rise in crime right that caused a rise in substance abuse
00:34:13.180because that's generally the two areas that people gravitate towards when in in in tough
00:34:21.080economic times is crime and drugs right so you know all this economic attack that that our own
00:34:27.160governments have done um you know have driven these crime rights have driven these you know
00:34:33.260these these these substance abuse problems and people like oh well okay oh well who cares you
00:34:38.640know he's better than the rest of them i mean like voting for the best house on the on the worst block
00:34:45.220is how we got here to begin with and there is no accountability from the people to to actually
00:34:52.580want change they're just like yeah we'll just go along to get along who cares we'll just turn
00:34:57.140on the netflix and you know tune or tune myself out uh what what can i do you know what can we do
00:35:02.900um there's nothing we can do we can't change the system because i was on a podcast last night
00:35:08.660uh an alberta podcast with a friend uh sean newman who has a great podcast out there we're
00:35:12.740talking about the ontario election and they were asking like how come there wasn't a backlash
00:35:16.660against the insane lockdown policies of the doug ford government and my response was that i think
00:35:22.900they were popular i think people liked it i think that they were happy about it they wanted the
00:35:26.420economy to be shut down they were scared they bought into all the worst fear and narratives
00:35:30.980i mean like i even in toronto i i feel like people preferred it it was it was strange and for me like
00:35:38.340i grew up in western canada i'm from vancouver i have very little tolerance for policies that
00:35:43.380restrict my personal freedom and that of my family like i have a very little tolerance for it i am
00:35:48.260very libertarian in that way like when they say you can't go outside i will go outside i will not
00:35:52.580follow a stupid rule unless i absolutely have to because i'm not willing to get arrested over it
00:35:56.980but the idea that they were putting police tape around the playground across the street from my
00:36:00.420house so my kids couldn't play in a playground in the middle of the day was so absurd but i
00:36:04.500did feel like i was the outlier i feel like most people in toronto most people i know were just
00:36:08.740like happy to go along or they just didn't bother saying anything and you know maybe maybe because
00:36:12.900a lot of people are in this sort of laptop class and it was easy for them it was actually better
00:36:16.660for them to be able to work from home or or some other reason um but what do you think like like
00:36:21.540why wasn't there a backlash against Ford for the tyrannical overreach during COVID?
00:36:26.660That is a really tough question. I mean, you said yourself, I mean, you just showed how many people
00:36:32.500actually stayed home and didn't turn out to vote at all. So I think a lot of those people who
00:36:37.380didn't go vote were people who didn't like them because of a lot of the lockdowns and mandates
00:36:44.580and vaccine coercion, that kind of stuff. And they just didn't want to show up to vote at all.
00:36:50.820um so kevin i mean you were talking before about uh you you know uh why wasn't why wasn't there
00:36:58.100a backlash against them why do they keep voting these people in well what's the alternative and
00:37:03.220and you know they're really uh in in uh this election i believe there are two other parties
00:37:10.100that were kind of against the all the stuff that went on during the coronavirus i think
00:37:15.380uh well definitely the ontario party and that is um yeah derek sloan and we had them on the show
00:37:24.580earlier yeah and then you also have new blue and i'm not sure actually what what their stance was
00:37:30.260during all of this but i mean they would be alternatives but i think between those two they
00:37:34.020got less than less than two percent of the vote something like that so people didn't even show up
00:37:38.100to to vote for them and why not is it just because uh they don't get enough exposure
00:37:45.780are they is there need a stronger ground game do they need more candidates elected i know that
00:37:51.220this was a snap election and that hurt uh a little bit for for like the ontario party because they
00:37:58.260they put something together really fast and they weren't able to to put in a full slate of candidates
00:38:02.980so a lot of people you know in in their own ridings they just didn't have an alternative
00:38:07.140to vote for yeah you're right and so it just seems i mean we talked about the same topic
00:38:12.820on the podcast last night which was that the the establishment parties have so much power so much
00:38:18.100inertia so much help to see in in organizing and getting people on the ground uh that it that it's
00:38:23.700hard for an upstart party and yet i think there was one little glimmer of hope and i want to tell
00:38:28.660the story about the unstoppable independent mp bobby ann brady who was re-elected last night as
00:38:36.020an independent MPP in the riding of Haldeman Norfolk. And it wasn't even close. Bobbie Ann
00:38:42.660Brady received 63% of the vote, 64% with rounding in her riding. She beat the PC candidate, Amy
00:38:51.460Martin, who only got 24%, only 12,000. So she won by more than 20,000 votes, which is really
00:38:58.420incredible for an MPP. And I just want to tell her story because oftentimes with independent MPs,
00:39:03.540the person is first elected with an establishment party and then they become an independent. That
00:39:08.660is not the case with Bobbie Ann. She was always an independent. So her story is that prior to
00:39:14.260being elected, she worked as the executive assistant to the progressive conservative MPP
00:39:19.860in her area named Tony Barrett. Tony was quite popular. When Tony announced that he was retiring,
00:39:26.020he endorsed his assistant Bobby Ann Brady to be the successor and I guess party headquarters
00:39:35.320Doug Ford's office didn't like that they decided that they wanted to parachute in their own
00:39:39.520candidate of choice they wanted to put in the local mayor as the candidate and so Bobby Ann
00:39:46.120decided to she wasn't going to have it so she continued to run as an independent she won in
00:39:52.240that race in 2022, not by as big of a margin. And she sort of acted as a thorn in the side of the
00:39:58.080PC government. Here is a clip from the legislature. Here is Bobby M. Brady pesting, pushing the
00:40:04.440premier. This is on April 18th, 2024, pushing the premier, pushing back against him. And just note
00:40:11.520the reaction. Doug Ford does not like this. He does not like facing criticism, particularly from
00:40:17.320someone on the political right. And so he takes this jab at her saying you won't even have a job
00:40:22.880after the next election. Let's play that clip. In January, I launched a petition calling on
00:40:27.940this government to follow the lead of Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe. No response except for carbon
00:40:34.080tax referendum legislation that does absolutely nothing to help the people of Ontario today.
00:40:39.340It's a publicity stunt. You call that a publicity stunt? By the way, you won't have a job next
00:40:44.980election. Well, sorry, Doug Ford, you were wrong because she does have a job and she was reelected
00:40:56.200with a massive, massive majority in her riding. So, I mean, to me, this is one glimmer of hope
00:41:02.340that there are still independent minded folks in Ontario willing to push back, willing to send
00:41:06.680that message. Maybe that little, you know, that one riding with that one strong woman, independent
00:41:11.960MP pushing back against him on carbon taxes and cost of living issues. Maybe that is where the
00:41:17.980groundswell of support saying, we're not actually very happy with this PC government. We don't
00:41:21.920actually like the direction that it's taking. And in that writing, people did show up. They did show
00:41:26.680up to voice their criticisms and possibly even push back over the COVID overreach. What's your
00:41:32.960thoughts on that? We'll go to you first, Brett. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how many people,
00:41:38.120what the percentage of people in her riding showed up to to vote is um compared to you know the 44
00:41:47.080overall um i think it's i think it's great i think that uh in general we need a lot more independent
00:41:53.880uh well mpps and and mps at the federal level um a lot of uh times people you know
00:42:01.480know, go against what they believe because they're told by the party leader how to think
00:42:09.180and, you know, they're basically threatened with their job or not having anywhere to advance
00:42:20.380So and even, you know, like, for example, Pierre Polyev now, he's a leader, but when
00:42:29.000he was an mp and he was like the shadow finance critic and all that like he i'll give an example
00:42:37.720here if you recall during the uh when during the coronavirus when uh trudeau wanted to go
00:42:44.840on a big spending spree where he had unlimited money uh well everybody voted unanimously to
00:42:51.080let him do that you know so that ran up the deficit quite a bit and he was shadow finance
00:42:57.960critic at that point and all we needed was one person with a backbone at that time to say no we
00:43:03.240can't let trudeau go on this spending spree you know just one person for for to not be unanimous
00:43:08.280but nobody did that you know if there was an independent person out there who said no we can't
00:43:12.840do this we have to vote on this we have to make sure that he has limits on what he can spend and
00:43:16.760what he can spend it on because we don't need to be spending for coronavirus pandemic we don't need
00:43:22.760to be taking some of that money and sending it over for uh women to have abortions in africa
00:43:28.280which he did ridiculous things with it like that right and well yeah and i mean the one that i was
00:43:32.680really outraged about was i think it was called bill c4 which was basically uh it was it was
00:43:37.240billed as something about stopping conversion therapy but it actually did the exact opposite
00:43:40.840it said that if there was a gender confused child they weren't allowed to go to any doctor unless it
00:43:46.120was gender affirming and that got unanimous consent there were conservatives who pushed back against
00:43:50.920it they waited for some of those conservatives to to go out of town and so that they could have a
00:43:55.080vote so that the the dissident voices weren't in the house and pier poliev was one of the people
00:43:59.560who was there voting as a absolutely disgraceful i mean poliev has sort of redeemed himself coming
00:44:04.360out saying that he would ban puberty blockers and all other kinds of mutilating uh things for
00:44:09.880children um but you're right that that at critical times we haven't seen that independent streak in
00:44:15.720polyev and i wish we had sorry continue you were saying yeah i mean it that's just an example of
00:44:21.160how you know he as party leader he may have done something different but and now everybody's saying
00:44:28.920well that was under o'toole he had to and you know to a certain degree they're right so that's that
00:44:33.400is why we need more independent uh mps and uh i don't know i guess this is a template maybe
00:44:41.320for how to how to do that right look at how bobby and uh managed to to get so many votes
00:44:48.360study that and see if we can replicate that somehow at other levels well i i plan to i want
00:44:54.280to have her on my show to explain it because to me it's remarkable like it wasn't just a fluke the
00:44:58.600first time around she really cemented her majority 63 64 choosing to vote for a non-party affiliated
00:45:06.520candidate really something there's how the voter turnout was in her writing i don't see that here
00:45:12.280i will i'll look it up i couldn't find it easily here but um i'll try to get those um the stats
00:45:18.920for you just get just bear with me for a minute there were a couple of other notable people who
00:45:23.160were not elected uh last night uh one of them another attempted independent mpp this one kind
00:45:29.240of follows a template that i described her name is sarah jama she was an ndp candidate and an mpp
00:45:36.200but the party ousted her and she basically was becoming increasingly radical and deranged
00:45:41.480supporting very fringe causes and then after the october 7th attacks she just kind of lost it
00:45:46.920and even even for the radical ndp she was too far so they pushed her out of the party she ran
00:45:51.800independently she was not re-elected and the liberal party leader herself body crombie who
00:45:58.840we were told was a popular mayor from mississauga and that she was gonna help the liberal party pick
00:46:03.880up a bunch of seats in around the gta and in mississauga uh you can take that down um bonnie
00:46:09.960crombie did not win her seat either she was uh she was beat by the progressive conservative it
00:46:18.440looks like it was fairly close it looks like you know margin of 1200 votes is full three percent
00:46:23.960and yet in her uh speech her concession speech bonnie crombie committed to staying on as leader
00:46:31.000of the liberal party uh so i mean if you're if you're a liberal looking at this liberals
00:46:36.440and do very well they're not even the opposition party um could this possibly be a preview for the
00:46:41.880federal election and popularity ontario i'll send that one over to you kevin what do you think
00:46:48.520what what what brett was talking what brett was talking about you know um how the independent mp
00:46:54.120actually managed to to win we we have to study that and we have to emulate that we have to we
00:46:59.480We have to copy that because what it says is, you know, if you know that movie that Robin Williams did, you know, 20 years ago, if you're tired of the Republicans and if you're tired of the Democrats, you know, basically vote for me.
00:47:10.300So, you know, you need somebody who, you know, attacks, you know, both parties and distance themselves from, you know, both parties.
00:47:18.900And, you know, maybe that is something that she did that, you know, really, you know, attracted people to not only elect her, but to reelect her.
00:47:29.560You know, that is a winning strategy. That's something that we should be focusing on.
00:47:33.980You know, in terms of your other question, can you tee it up to me again?
00:47:41.080So Brett, you asked what was the voter turnout in that riding in Haldimand Norfolk because the general election was down in the 40s.
00:47:49.740Well, she received 54.7, so 55 percent voter turnout, so a full 10 percent higher than the rest of the province.
00:47:58.360So, yeah, to me, that indicates that conservatives like small C conservative voters, voters that would also support the federal conservatives showed up in that riding.
00:48:06.860And it shows you that if you organize and you motivate your base and you have a message that appeals to them, even without the party brand, you can get those people out to vote.
00:48:16.360So I'll leave that final question to you, Kevin.
00:48:23.380You know, a lot of that 50 the 50 percent of the people didn't didn't show up is because, you know, maybe they thought, oh, they're all the same.
00:48:53.300Yeah, so that is actually a substantial increase.
00:48:57.260When was the last time the Ontario average voting show up for the entire province was in the mid-50s? You read up the statistics earlier. It's been a very long time. So that is something that people have to do, have to really tap into that anti, and I think it's more anti-establishment parties.
00:49:19.900You know, you know, I have nothing to do with the conservatives. I have nothing to do with the liberals. I hate them all. And, you know, I'm not going to answer to lobbyists. I'm not going to pander to corporations. I'm not going to pander to the unions.
00:49:33.340and, you know, I'm going to, you know, actually stand up and try to give the people the voice
00:49:39.600instead of, you know, all these NGOs and, you know, political muscle that dominates the arena now.
00:49:47.200Just completely ignore them and, you know, actually align yourself with the people.
00:49:53.400The people will say, hey, maybe you're worth voting for.
00:49:56.440And that is clearly what has happened in this situation.
00:50:00.640And one more thing before we end off, you know, on the tariff issue that I wanted to talk about, you know, the easiest concession that we could do is sacrifice our supply management system.
00:50:12.600I think that is one thing that, and it's coming to the end of the show, I really wanted to get that on.
00:50:17.380I think that would be the cheapest avenue, the easiest thing to do.
00:50:23.820And it would actually, you know, Donald Trump has talked about our dairy cartel for a very long time.
00:50:31.200I agree. I mean, I don't want to get too much into it because we do have to cut off here.
00:50:35.880But I think that it's low hanging fruit and it's time.
00:50:39.600Like Canada needs to get its house in order. We need to stop.
00:50:42.120A lot of the things that Donald Trump says is incendiary and ridiculous.
00:50:46.000But some of the things, he is tapping into real concerns.
00:50:50.340I think Canada does need to do a better job