00:08:22.500Let's abandon this delusion that we're talking about.
00:08:25.780Well, maybe I've got a little issue with Zionism or, oh, I'm not a big fan of G in Gaza with regards to Hamas is not optimal.
00:08:33.420No, these are people that either have a hatred for Jews or at the very least a tolerance for the very worst of threats against Jewish people.
00:08:43.980And these are folks who, by the way, have a home on college and university campuses.
00:08:48.480There was a story that emerged, I saw it in the New York Post over the weekend, where there are reports that Hamas is looking for a new headquarters.
00:08:57.480So Hamas was previously headquartered, I think it was like the Four Seasons in Doha or something.
00:15:42.120I mean, in terms of the broader Canadian budget,
00:15:44.820this isn't the hugest amount, but it's about priorities.
00:15:47.940Instead of a government showing contrition and saying, yeah, you know what, we probably shouldn't have done that, they fought it tooth and nail and even now are continuing to fight it.
00:15:55.780Yeah, and it's one of those things, again, that shows just how out of touch government can get when they're in power for so long.
00:16:02.440And so to your point, it was a federal court judge that made what I would consider a pretty landmark ruling.
00:16:08.320I'm not a lawyer, but a lot of my lawyer friends are calling it that when the justice decided, yeah, the invocation of the Emergencies Act that included things like freezing the bank accounts of people who were supporting the protesters who were in Ottawa at the time was unconstitutional.
00:16:24.340You can't do that. So definitely hats off to our friends and colleagues over the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
00:16:29.780I know you've spoken with them many times, Andrew, on your show. And so that was a really key ruling.
00:16:34.980And I think a lot of people are now writing that down as precedent going forward.
00:16:39.140And so it would be a good idea for the government to kind of read the room.
00:16:43.920You know, it's no longer 2021. You know, the heat has come down out of this kind of witch hunt era,
00:16:50.880as the CCF would have put it at the time, during the pandemic and during the lockdowns.
00:16:55.440And now it's probably a good idea for the federal government to kind of look around and say, you know what, is this really in the best interest of the public for us to continuously fight this after someone as high level as a federal judge has said, yeah, you guys crossed the line here, better back off.
00:17:11.900And as my colleague Franco Terrazzano said, the federal director of the CTF, they should really back down off of this.
00:17:17.800They shouldn't spend one penny more of taxpayers' money.
00:17:20.600And if the government does want to say something, they could probably start with an apology.
00:17:25.440Yeah, and this is the thing. And we saw in Alberta, your province, this happened. When Danielle Smith took over, she issued an apology on behalf of the Alberta government to unvaccinated people in the province who had been subjected under the previous government by Jason Kenney to some very significant restrictions, which were common across the country, but didn't actually have any sort of contrition or acknowledgement of wrongdoing from the governments.
00:17:49.140And there are some people who would say, of course, too little, too late.
00:17:52.320But I would also point out here that it was something.
00:17:54.780And she certainly hasn't spent time fighting these people in court.
00:17:58.000And that's the great thing is that the government right now federally says on one hand, oh,
00:18:37.220And then they used this draconian sort of law, this Emergencies Act, which, according to the government and according to legal experts,
00:18:45.120is only supposed to be used in extreme emergencies, thus the term. And so putting it in a nutshell,
00:18:52.240what the judge said, and I'm paraphrasing, is protest isn't an emergency. You know, we are not
00:18:58.220being invaded, God forbid. You know, aliens are not coming down out of the sky. We are not suffering
00:19:03.320a massive terrorist attack again, God forbid. That is what the Emergencies Act is supposed to be.
00:19:08.820And yet they went and did it anyway. And so that is why the Taxpayers Federation said,
00:19:14.100And if you suspend civil liberties, if you invoke something that used to be called the War Measures Act, it's pretty difficult for grassroots citizens organizations to hold government to account.
00:19:26.080And when you put that into the context of, remember, a couple of years before that, they tried sneaking through this little rule that they'd be allowed to spend without any government oversight at all.
00:20:36.100in that CBC is getting in the federal budget
00:20:39.400another 42 million in addition to the 1.4 billion dollars in addition to all of the money they've
00:20:44.840gotten over the years plus ad revenue which I imagine is like you know four dollars given their
00:20:49.220viewership numbers but still some people pay for advertising on CBC inexplicably and here we have
00:20:55.880a government that is giving more money to the state broadcaster well the state broadcaster gives
00:21:02.140millions of dollars in executive bonuses and its president doesn't even want to be interviewed by
00:21:08.300cbc journalist this is a tweet from uh travis danraj uh now travis danraj is the guy who at
00:21:16.000the beginning of covid like flew to rio and then you know got realized it made him look really bad
00:21:20.860when he was writing about why everyone else needs to stay home so he flew back but travis danraj
00:21:25.020he says at a time when the public broadcaster is under increasing scrutiny and when transparency
00:21:29.440is needed canada tonight requested an interview with uh catherine tate we wanted to discuss new
00:21:34.980budget funding, what it means for jobs and the corporation's strategic priorities ahead.
00:21:38.900Our request was declined. This is unfortunate. Now, I don't begrudge anyone turning down an
00:21:43.960interview request from Travis Danrash. They have that right. That is something you can do. But when
00:21:48.640the CBC president doesn't even want to be interviewed by CBC, why the heck are the rest
00:21:52.200of us supposed to take them seriously? I'm just so glad this happened because it's so funny.
00:21:57.200Yeah. Right. And so I think here, this is me putting my thinking cap. So full disclosure,
00:22:02.920I did work at the CBCs for a very short period of time. They were very nice to me. I hold no
00:22:07.520personal grudges whatsoever. But I remember working in the newsroom in Ottawa, and I'm just
00:22:12.100for the life of me trying to figure out how this went, like how many different layers of comms
00:22:17.580specialists and assistants and producers this request would have had to go through. And I think
00:22:22.300the reason why CEO of the CBC, Catherine Tate, who, by the way, is paid between $400-something
00:22:28.240thousand dollars and 600 something thousand dollars per year with bonuses included how it is
00:22:34.720that she denied this request I think it goes back to that national interview that anchor she used to
00:22:41.460be a field reporter for a long time Adrian Arsenault but she's now an anchor of the national in case
00:22:45.580people don't know she had CEO Catherine Tate on and this was just before Christmas and of course
00:22:51.180we all remember the story of oh this is going to cause hundreds of layoffs before Christmas these
00:22:55.960big cuts and so she went after Tate saying oh well the Canadian Taxpayers Federation has found
00:23:02.320that we're spending between 14 and 15 million dollars on bonuses are you at least going to
00:23:07.300cut out the gravy and the bonuses this year and Tate was lost for an answer it was like a deer
00:23:12.440stuck on the railroad tracks and so I have a feeling that I know you've mixed your metaphors
00:23:17.160there a deer in the headlights became a deer what sort of sadistic railroad track bondage dungeon are
00:23:23.640you running over there in lethbridge well you know what it's like at night when that rail when
00:23:28.000the train is coming and it's got that big spotlight and now it's added deer to it so yeah
00:23:32.220now you've done like a deer trolley dilemma we're uh going back to first year philosophy here uh
00:23:36.740a deer is tied down on the railroad tracks and the lights paralyzed with fear but uh
00:23:43.060i don't blame catherine tate for not wanting to return to cbc that is yes yes and the main thing
00:23:49.200here though is again there's constantly crying poor and the trudeau government just gave them
00:23:54.100another 42 million dollars and again trust in media in mainstream media to be clear is just
00:24:00.420nose diving right now and that's largely because the government is paying so many journalists you
00:24:06.700you can't hold the government to account if you're counting on the government for your paycheck
00:24:10.260and here they just went and gave them a big dollop more i i'm kind of of the mind that cbc should
00:24:16.260basically just fire everyone but those french journalists that did the investigation of the
00:24:21.280transgender youth clinic uh they're like the ones there that are doing real journalism and then you
00:24:26.020know get rid of everyone else but uh this one i i would be remiss to point out that it is uh earth
00:24:30.940day uh today which i didn't realize it's kind of lost its shine like earth hour i couldn't even
00:24:35.800tell you when it is i remember when earth hour was a thing and everyone was really excited about it
00:24:40.020and now no one cares. Earth Day, I remember when I was a kid in school, which is going back more
00:24:46.220than I'd care to admit now. This was a thing for a little while. But Earth Day is apparently today.
00:24:51.280Stephen Gilbeau commemorated it by announcing a federal plastics registry, which I'll be talking
00:24:56.160about in a couple of minutes on the show. But you decided to share a video clip. This is a deep cut
00:25:02.540from the archives. Anything you want to say before we play it? I just wanted to note that this was
00:25:09.200just a few days after we launched from okay that tv station and yeah this is an old sun news uh an
00:25:16.080old sun news gem which sadly the archives have been lost to history for the most part where you've got
00:25:21.360a few gems i i played a little while ago uh the one on this show of ezra doing his like marg de la
00:25:26.960hunt a bit uh where it was like ezra and drag uh which was like fantastic uh this one though i had
00:25:33.120forgotten about let's take a look i shall now commit the most heinous crime imaginable to earth
00:25:39.680worshippers they're pretty soft on real crimes you know against people but saint suzuki himself
00:25:44.640has called for politicians to be jailed for not believing in his theory of man-made global warming
00:25:49.520well suzuki's going to give me the death penalty for this i shall now commit first degree lumber
00:25:54.880jacking on this poor tree. Happy Earth Day Sam, fire up the chainsaw!
00:26:24.880how he survived that i will not know because i it doesn't look like he had ever touched one of
00:26:47.420those things before and i i haven't asked ezra i suspect has never done it since either
00:26:52.000he just doesn't seem like the type which is why it was smart the producer got it started for him
00:26:58.000but he did a thorough job that poor little cedar hedge it didn't do anything to ezra but
00:27:02.080you see how he got right down there in the roots i don't know if that thing bounced back
00:27:05.560yeah he uh he made david suzuki cry there for sure uh any any earth day plans on your part chris
00:27:13.380no it's business as usual here in alberta uh producing energy for the rest of the country
00:27:19.340as best we can and trying to export it as best we can, which I will remind people. Again,
00:27:24.940let's just for seriousness here. If global emissions are your key issue, say they keep
00:27:29.980you up at night, they get you up in the morning, they really bother you. We can work on the big
00:27:33.780end of the arithmetic problem, folks. We can actually ship things like our natural gas,
00:27:38.020which is much cleaner burning fuel to places like India to replace their coal and their wood
00:27:43.900and their animal dung that they burn indoors every single day. So if you want to actually
00:27:48.580tackle global emissions, let's work on the big end of the arithmetic problem. And that includes
00:27:52.920places like Alberta. Well, and also inefficient forms of fuel over the years, like going back to
00:27:58.300the 19th century, have never been phased out or combated by regulation, but rather by innovation.
00:28:04.780And this is the one thing that the federal government refuses to acknowledge.
00:28:08.480Yes, I'm really glad you brought this up. Can I talk about horse manure on your show? Is that
00:28:12.620allowed? Absolutely. Okay. It'll become a CBC broadcast when you spew too much of the manure
00:28:17.500though this will become a heritage moment so for folks who aren't huge history nerds i heartily
00:28:23.100encourage you to pick up a book from the last turn oh my goodness i'm old turn of the last last
00:28:28.220century so in the late 1800s okay go look up the great horse manure crisis and i'm bringing this
00:28:35.180up for a real reason okay think pre-automobile okay people were still getting their stuff to
00:28:41.580the store they were still getting to school they still had to get to work people were still
00:28:45.660transporting themselves and goods, especially in big cities like New York City and London over in
00:28:52.060the United Kingdom. How did they get to places? How did they ship their goods? By horse and cart.
00:28:57.940Now, horses were our main source of transportation, but their emissions were something real. Not
00:29:05.560joking. So at one point in places like New York City, world-class cities in London, we had piles
00:29:12.800and piles of horse manure that was so bad, Andrew, that people couldn't get through it.
00:29:19.160There were actually jobs of men that would get out there with a shovel to shovel a tunnel for
00:29:23.800somebody to even get across the street. Now, just imagine the flies. Just imagine the parasites and
00:29:29.500the disease. Add to that actual horse carcasses. So this is for real, folks. You can look it up
00:29:34.880in The New York Times. They had a summit about this. But you know what saved them? It was
00:29:40.140innovation. The government did not suddenly grow a new arm and start trying to ban things or tax
00:29:47.180things to death because they didn't know what to do. But problems are the mother of innovation,
00:29:54.240okay? A crisis is the mother of innovation and government is not the solution. What happened is
00:29:59.720human beings invented the internal combustion engine and they went to horseless cars. Car,
00:30:05.280by the way, is short for carriage. Okay. That's why it's called a dashboard because it was
00:30:10.420literally a board that kept all the mud and stuff from flying up when the horse was dashing in front
00:30:15.860of you. So this is linear folks. And we have been able to solve transportation emission crises in
00:30:22.500the past without resorting to impoverishing people for the sin of driving to work and heating their
00:30:27.860home. I just stopped listening when you said car was short for carriage. I never knew that. I'll
00:30:35.180say it to the smartest person in the room. Will I look foolish or is this, are you confident about
00:30:38.900that? I'm a hundred percent confident. No, that's why it's called a glove box too, because they
00:30:43.420literally kept their driving gloves that you're driving a horse, right? Why do we call it driving?
00:30:49.420Why do we call it horsepower in the engine? It's actually all related. It's pretty fascinating.
00:30:53.600and so the glove box was literally where the driver would keep his or her gloves so that way
00:30:57.980you don't get chaps from the reins yeah now they just call it the insurance slip and driver's
00:31:02.400manual box uh all right i did not know that i learned i learned so much from you chris this is
00:31:06.660why we're glad to have you back every monday we will talk to you next week chris sims from the
00:31:11.120canadian taxpayers federation always a pleasure likewise all right i i'm gonna i trust chris i'm
00:31:16.740gonna fact check that hang on let me do this right now i want to make sure yep no she's uh
00:31:22.600Oh, actually, hang on. Hang on. Do we have Chris? If we have, if we still have Chris,
00:31:27.700let's put her back on here. Okay. The English word car is believed to originate from the Latin
00:31:33.480carom, uh, which, uh, okay. I, I, this one says chariot, uh, that it comes from, but yours makes
00:31:41.120more sense. Yeah. Well, it would have gone, so I'm not an etymologist. Uh, my husband is, so.
00:31:47.100Oh yeah. He's a good one too. If I'm delving into this, so it would have gone chariot,
00:31:51.140to carriage to car at all okay no yeah it originally referred to any wheeled horse-drawn
00:31:55.560vehicles such as a cart carriage or wagon so i guess it could have been cart or carriage depending
00:31:59.760on uh which evolutionary path it took all right well you're our in-house etymologist now step
00:32:04.700aside uh harley we got chris uh chris showing up here all right thanks for coming back on
00:32:10.280bye all right uh glad we did that no yeah that's fantastic see this is i learned too i learned too
00:32:16.260i don't like to be the one just with all the answers because you'd all be screwed if that
00:32:19.780were the case. All right, let's talk plastics here. We have the federal government unveiling
00:32:24.940a plastics registry this week. Now, the government loves registries. This comes on the eve of this
00:32:32.700giant plastics conference taking place in Ottawa. The United Nations representatives from around
00:32:38.440the world are descending in Ottawa. They're all pushing for a plastics treaty. And when all of
00:32:43.800this comes up, they say they're going after plastic pollution. They don't want a plastic straw to end
00:32:48.760up up a poor sea turtle's nose, which I'm sympathetic to. The problem is that a lot of
00:32:53.660the regulations that tend to flow from these sorts of discussions target countries that have nothing
00:32:58.620to do with the plastic pollution issue. The federal government in Canada championed a ban
00:33:03.740on single-use plastics, which was, of course, overturned by the Supreme Court. But even to
00:33:08.900this day, Stephen Gilbeau is defending it. Take a look at this clip. Does this push back against
00:33:15.120the carbon tax and and now we see really high gas prices uh that canadians are very concerned about
00:33:22.000does this show perhaps to you that canadians may not be embracing a green agenda sustainable agenda
00:33:29.600as as firmly as you would like the support by canadians for what what is happening here uh is
00:33:38.400is tremendous i mean the the announcement that our government made in 2019 on on banning single
00:33:43.360use plastic remains if not the most popular announcement that we've done since 2015 certainly
00:33:48.560one of the most popular announcement in terms of the public support for it so i think that the
00:33:53.280public wants us to to take action on to fight plastic pollution so he's still defending this
00:34:01.280even to this day and i i'm a little bit concerned about what's going to come of this uh big confab
00:34:06.960over the next several days here i want to talk about this in a bit more detail here uh joining
00:34:11.600me now is anya curran who is the president and ceo of the vinyl institute of canada which is
00:34:17.920not dedicated to old records but anya it's good to talk to you thanks for coming on today it's a
00:34:22.960pleasure thanks for having me appreciate it so well let's start with what is at stake here i mean
00:34:27.920what are the the goals that the canadian government has and the un has coming out of this session this
00:34:33.200week my goodness that's a huge question and there isn't just one answer but ultimately um the idea
00:34:42.240is that uh somehow the plastics industry will come to the table they will solve all the litter
00:34:50.160problems in the world um and uh i guess you know they're they're looking to see if they can get
00:34:56.640some kind of a global agreement. But as you know, John, there's a lot of countries around the globe
00:35:04.820and every country has a different social structure, different economic structure.
00:35:10.560So it's going to be challenging to, I think, bring this agreement to a place where there
00:35:17.180will be harmony. At least in the next several years, it's going to take a lot more than five
00:35:24.960years or five years or less than to put something as complex as this together well and and i
00:35:30.720mentioned in the lead-in to uh bringing you on the show here there's always been this tremendous
00:35:35.360problem when plastic pollution issues which are significant issues in other parts of the world
00:35:39.920there is an issue in asia in particular with this and i think there was a study a couple of years
00:35:44.240ago that it said virtually all the plastics in the ocean came from uh like basically they could track
00:35:50.400the rivers they came from and almost all of them were in asia a couple were in africa it's not
00:35:54.560coming from north america it's not coming from europe but those are the jurisdictions when these
00:36:00.080regulations uh tend to come down on they come down the hardest so we're basically paying the
00:36:05.120price for a problem that literally has nothing to do with us well first of all i don't know that i
00:36:10.800would i i would say that it has nothing to do with us okay as as first world countries we manufacture
00:36:16.640a lot of a lot of materials not just plastics but a lot of materials that are then shipped one way
00:36:22.640the other to second and third world countries. So I think that just to be fair, you don't think
00:36:29.620it's enough to focus on our role on the disposal of it and the waste management. I think, I believe
00:36:35.620that there is a point where you just have to acknowledge that if you are creating litter
00:36:42.020from anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world, that as a manufacturer, you're going to
00:36:47.400step up and try to innovate because you all, we all know that in innovation, your last guest just
00:36:52.100said, you know, from innovation comes a lot of great opportunities. And I 100% agree with that,
00:36:58.320because we're already seeing a lot of movement in the plastics industry worldwide. We're already
00:37:04.960seeing, you know, companies like the vinyl industry, Dow Chemical, Nova, BASF, like all of
00:37:12.580these big organizations worldwide are innovating, and they are seeing the opportunities that are
00:37:19.100are possible. And I think one of the things, the challenges I think that the industry has
00:37:24.240is that there are target dates that are set to accomplish certain types of benchmarks as per
00:37:32.240the United Nations, as per various governments around the country. But the timelines are not
00:37:37.880reasonable. And I think that's one of the things that we're looking to do. I mean, we as the Vinyl
00:37:42.900Institute of Canada, we are partners with Environment and Climate Change Canada. We just
00:37:48.460launched a medical pvc recycling program with them in 2020 in the middle of covid um and just today
00:37:54.940we're we just announced the expansion of that in toronto and we're also hoping to get that into
00:37:59.500quebec as well so they're partners with us they've been partners with us on environmental performance
00:38:04.540agreements what we want to see is more messaging and more uh will from the government to collaborate
00:38:12.940with industry and i don't know that we're seeing enough of that yet we're starting but you know
00:38:18.140the United Nations is a global body as you know and I think really it's difficult to
00:38:25.900when you're various countries it's it's just difficult to get to that place of harmonization
00:38:31.660where we can all sort of toe the line as it were so I don't know that the answer is just for us to
00:38:38.860ignore all of the the litter in the world but definitely I think we as an industry we are
00:38:46.300definitely showing um that we are moving forward we're environmentally forward and sometimes i
00:38:52.700don't know that that's being um as communicated um as as it should be by these types of uh
00:39:00.860conferences i was at the inc3 conference in nairobi and you know one of the challenges that
00:39:06.780i feel that we have is um the plastics industry for example are invited to be observers at these
00:39:15.420conferences but we're not invited to be at the table to actually be part of the negotiations and
00:39:21.100with respect to the plastics registry that you just led with um you know we've worked with
00:39:27.340environment climate change canada on helping them to you know identify how the supply chain works
00:39:33.420so that you know this this particular registry can work efficiently and can work so that it's
00:39:38.940a win-win for everybody. Again, we need to get more collaboration from the government.
00:39:46.540Our governments are elected, our taxes are paid based on building waste management infrastructure.
00:39:51.740And to your earlier question about second and third world countries, they simply don't have
00:39:56.620waste management infrastructure. You're not going to see waste management infrastructure
00:40:01.180in Africa, for example, or in India, for example, simply because their governments
00:40:05.900really haven't prioritized that over the linear space of time. And not only that,
00:40:13.980they just don't have the funds to really put that in place in terms of the infrastructure.
00:40:19.020So I believe one of the things that eventually will come out of all of this discussion about
00:40:25.500plastics is we will provide, I think, more of an education and some guidance and leadership
00:40:34.060to help these other countries to get uh into a position where they can actually develop their
00:40:40.220own waste management infrastructure and i think that ultimately is going to be um the outcome and
00:40:44.540the goal of all of this you mentioned i think a very important distinction here which is that
00:40:48.860you're allowed to observe but you're not at the table so you're you're on one hand given i i think
00:40:53.740that token inclusion as a stakeholder but you're not actually consulted on or consulted with in in
00:40:59.660a meaningful way it sounds like and what is it they're missing i mean if industry is leading
00:41:04.620here and you've already got by the sounds of it through your organization anyway relationships
00:41:08.300with the federal government why is it that they're flipping a switch when it comes to a summit like
00:41:13.420this where they're going to ink a treaty that will at some point trickle down into domestic
00:41:18.220to domestic policy why are you being cut out here when you do have a seat at the table in other ways
00:41:22.700it sounds like i think so there's 4 200 delegates registered here in ottawa this week right um and
00:41:32.060i don't think anybody has the answer to that question i mean we we uh i think many many
00:41:39.020different organizations have uh asked for the opportunity to be at the table um certainly when
00:41:46.460you look at global corporations like Dow and global corporations like BASF, certainly that
00:41:54.540they are able to have direct dialogues with some of the very senior folks at the United Nations.
00:42:00.140But at the end of the day, the folks that are on the ground are the ones that really make the
00:42:04.140difference in terms of execution. And I think that's really where, unfortunately, I wish the
00:42:09.260United Nations would be a little bit more broad in terms of who they're inviting and take advantage
00:42:15.340of the expertise that's in the industry that could probably help them to achieve a really good
00:42:22.540agreement at the end of the day. But I think that there's a lot of information that's really being
00:42:28.060missed there, and that's unfortunate. And again, the timelines are quite short in terms of treaty
00:42:34.620times. Most treaties, I was told in an interview that I had with one of the representatives for
00:42:41.580canada to the united nations explained that you know most treaties can take 10 to 15 years
00:42:47.500and so when you look at sort of some of the branding that's gone on um through this process
00:42:53.420at the the united nations environmental program it's high ambition that's the positioning and
00:42:59.660the high ambition means let's try to get it done in five years or less um but the complexity of it
00:43:06.940regardless of whether it's plastics regardless of whether it's any other material in in the world
00:43:12.940um it's just it's it's a very it's i think it's it's beyond high ambition and i don't know that
00:43:19.260it's entirely realistic and i think what's happening is you know when when you're sort of
00:43:23.740boots on the ground at these particular events i think one of the things that's really great about
00:43:29.180uh these types of events is that we do as an industry have an opportunity to meet and network
00:43:35.100with people but i i would like to see more um uh i would like to see more effort um from uh the
00:43:42.860organizers the united nations to invite us to educate uh uh you know all of the folks that are
00:43:49.980there and um i don't know maybe that's going to take another treaty another day but um i just see
00:43:55.900a lot of lost opportunity and the plastics industry really um they hold all of the the
00:44:02.300the supply chain intelligence, you know, in terms of the accuracy of how things happen.
00:44:08.980And sometimes I look at some of the things that are being proposed and think, you know,
00:44:14.520it's just not logistically possible with everything, the way that the infrastructure has been established,
00:44:20.420you know, over the last, you know, 80 to 100 years.
00:44:23.840And, you know, which raises another point.
00:44:26.040I mean, we pay taxes, people, citizens of Canada pay taxes for the government,
00:44:31.780whether that's federal, provincial, or municipal, to build waste management infrastructure.
00:44:39.400And I think to, you know, 80 years later, to not have included plastic since it became a commodity
00:44:45.940and products on the market servicing, you know, millions of people in the public and business and commercial industrial,
00:44:55.140all of a sudden, 80 years later, we're talking about waste management infrastructure,
00:45:00.160But we're really not getting, again, that sense of collaboration, that depth of collaboration that I think we really need to have in order to make it all come together.
00:45:10.080All right. Well, great insights on this. We'll be keeping an eye on what happens this week.
00:45:14.180Let's hope they get you here seat at the table sooner rather than later.
00:45:18.760Anya Curran, President and CEO of the Vinyl Institute of Canada. Thank you very much.
00:45:22.940Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
00:45:24.680All right. Thank you. I think she was mixing me up with my producer, Sean, but Sean and Anya were
00:45:30.160chatting all day. So I'm glad Sean has made his nominal cameo to The Andrew Lawton Show today.
00:45:35.900But in any event, it is great to have you tuned into the program. We will be back tomorrow with
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