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- March 17, 2021
Pro-lifers gearing up for Conservative convention
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This weekend, the Conservative Party of Canada is having a virtual convention.
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Normally these are very big to-dos, policy conventions that bring in people from around the country.
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They vote on various resolutions, amendments to party policy,
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and they can become battlegrounds in a lot of cases for what the grassroots of the party thinks
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and what they want on certain key issues.
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And one area where we always see this unfold is the battle between social conservatives
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and pro-life members of the party,
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and oftentimes those who don't want those people to have a say in party policy.
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If you look at the convention this weekend,
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34 of 196 ideas submitted by the party's riding associations
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will make it to the floor for debate,
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and none of those are on abortion,
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despite a very significant effort from pro-life groups and individuals.
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I want to talk about this with Scott Hayward,
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who is the co-founder of Right Now and joins me on the line.
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Scott, good to talk to you again.
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Thanks for coming back on the show.
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Thanks, Andrew.
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It's always great to be on your show, and thanks for the invitation.
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Now, people that aren't members of the Conservative Party or a political party
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or people who have never participated in this process might not know,
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but the party policy, what is that?
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So the party policy document is a document that is utilized by most political parties
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in this country, and it's more or less the official stance of that political party
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on a variety of issues, whether it be the environment or foreign affairs
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or economy, crime, things of this nature.
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So the Conservative Party of Canada, like you mentioned,
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is having their biannual, so every two years,
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their policy convention coming up later this week.
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And how does it differ from the platform?
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So the platform is put together by the leader, by the caucus, by party staff,
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as the platform going into an election campaign on specifically
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what a political party intends to do should they form government after the election.
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Most political parties will establish their platform based off of the official party policy
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document we just discussed, which is voted on and proposed by members of the party
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about once every two years by most political parties.
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So what's happening this weekend for the Conservative Party of Canada
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and next weekend for the Liberal Party of Canada
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is going to be informative for both political parties
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as we likely are going into an election sometime later this spring.
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So you've answered the next question I had, which was why this matters.
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So I'll skip ahead to the question after that, which is that why are these such battlegrounds
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and how have we seen that battle manifest for social conservatives and pro-lifers
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specifically leading up to this convention?
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So it's important that various constituents within political parties
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are able to express their views, their values,
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and want to see that reflected within both the party platform,
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but also the party policy document, which of course informs the platform.
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So within the Conservative Party of Canada,
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you have a variety of different types of conservatives.
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You have Western Canadian conservatives
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who are very focused on national resource development.
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You have democratic conservatives
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who are focused on making sure that grassroots are heard
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regardless of a variety of views.
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You have libertarians, you have red Tories,
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and then you have pro-lifers and social conservatives in general.
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So everyone gets to get involved in this process
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within the Conservative Party of Canada,
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bring up different policy ideas that are voted on by EDA.
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Those are Electoral District Association Board of Directors.
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There's one in each of the 338 ridings.
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And then they're submitted for the Conservative Party of Canada,
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at least on a thing called Ideas Lab,
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where each EDA is allowed 25 votes
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to vote amongst the various policy proposals.
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So this time around, like you mentioned,
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there were 196 policy proposals.
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The EDAs got to vote,
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and then the 34 that are being voted on and debated
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later this week were the 34 most popular across the country.
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I should say, by the way,
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that Schoolhouse Rock has absolutely nothing on you
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and how well you can describe
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and clearly articulate these complex matters,
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which people may find uninteresting,
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but are actually very significant
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to people in the Conservative movement in Canada,
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and I'd say in the country more broadly.
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So let me ask you about this,
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because I've seen a lot of people circulating stories
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about the fact that none of the pro-life amendments
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or resolutions made it on there.
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This is just because they lost in a vote.
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It's not because there was someone
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that handpicked these resolutions
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and said,
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we don't want that one on the convention floor, correct?
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That's a great question, Andrew,
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and it's something that I've heard
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and seen a lot within the past week or so.
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You know, that used to be the policy process
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within the Conservative Party of Canada.
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EDAs would come up with party policies
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and they would go to a secretive convention committee,
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and that committee,
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which was more or less appointed,
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got to decide, you know,
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which policies would make it
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to the convention breakout rooms
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and then, of course, to the convention floor.
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Over the past number of years,
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within the Conservative Party of Canada,
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we've seen a devolution
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toward the grassroots within the party.
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So now the process is
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that EDAs put it on an internal website
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called the Ideas Lab and cast a vote.
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So it's much more grassroots this time around
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than it was, let's say, 10 years ago.
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This time around,
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we proposed two pro-life policies.
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One was to eliminate the only pro-abortion policy
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in the Conservative Party of Canada policy declaration
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that's currently Article 70
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that says a Conservative government
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will not support legislation to regulate abortion.
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And then we had a second policy proposed
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from the rotting of Burlington within the GTA
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that asked that a future Conservative government
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would seek to introduce and vote for
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and support legislation
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that would legally restrict
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sex-selective and late-term abortions.
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You know, in Canada,
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according to recent polls
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within the past 12 months or so,
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something like 84% of Canadians
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support legal restrictions
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on sex-selective abortions
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and up to 70%,
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including 60% in Ontario
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and 67% in Quebec,
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support late-term abortion restrictions.
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Canada, as most of your viewers
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would probably know,
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is one of only two countries in the world
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where there's absolutely no law
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whatsoever on abortion.
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So these were the two policies
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that we put forward.
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They were voted on by the EDAs.
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Our initial...
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And these new rules were known
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months ago, by the way, Andrew.
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Like, they were established months ago
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by the Convention Committee,
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by the National Policy Committee
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and National Constitution Committee
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and National Councils.
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Those three organs
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all being voted on
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by members of the party.
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And so we knew the rules
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going into Christmas.
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So we knew it was going to be tough,
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but we had an opportunity
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and we knew kind of
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what the pathway was.
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So our goal was
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to get 45 EDA votes
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for both of those pro-life policies.
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And we blew past them.
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I was actually shocked
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at how many votes we got.
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We got 63 for Delete 70
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and we got around 55
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for the late-term abortion one.
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As a comparison,
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last time in Halifax
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for that convention in 2018,
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we only got about maybe 25.
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I don't even think we got up to 30
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for the Delete 71
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and that one didn't make it
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to the convention floor.
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So this time,
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the bar was a little higher.
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And there was no dirty tricks
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or nasty tricks,
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as some other organizations say,
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by the political party.
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It was simply
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that pro-lifers
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have not yet taken
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their rightful place
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on those EDA board of directors,
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something that we're looking to
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fix within the coming
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weeks and months.
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One last thing I will say
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is that there was an extreme,
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I would describe it
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as extreme pro-abortion policy
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proposed by one of the EDAs
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that made the current
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pro-abortion policy
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even worse from our perspective.
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That one didn't do so
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hot on Ideas Lab.
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I only got about 10 EDA votes or so,
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but there were a couple
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EDA boards of directors
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who voted for that policy,
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yet their slate of delegates
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to the convention
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is 100% pro-life.
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So there's a big disconnect
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between those who sit
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on the EDA boards
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and the actual members
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of the party
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within that riding.
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And so we're looking
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for the next AGMs
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within the next 12 to 8 months
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or probably 8 to 12 months
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to correct that disconnect,
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if you will.
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You mentioned something in there
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that I found interesting.
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You said they're not dirty tricks.
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The pro-lifers
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were effectively outmaneuvered,
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and I don't mean that
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in a cynical way,
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but just they didn't have
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the votes on this.
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Do you feel that there is
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an issue with pro-lifers
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not wanting to engage?
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Either they don't think
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it's worth it
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or they're fed up
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with either the political process
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or more specifically
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the Conservative Party,
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or do you think it is
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just that they are
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a smaller share of the party
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than they used to be?
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I don't think
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we're a smaller share
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of the party.
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I think, if anything,
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we're actually
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a growing share of the party.
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If you look at the number
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of candidates
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who had won the nominations
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for the 2019 election,
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the number of pro-lifers
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who were elected
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for the Conservative Party
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of Canada
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amongst the new members
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of Parliament
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who were elected
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to the House of Commons
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in the last election,
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the last two leadership races.
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Just on that point,
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I mean,
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the leadership factor
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is significant.
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Both Aaron O'Toole
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and Andrew Scheer
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demonstrably,
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you can see in the numbers,
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were pushed to victory
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by pro-lifers
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and by social conservatives.
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So I guess,
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why is that not translating
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to the policy process?
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It's a good question.
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So as time goes on,
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more or less,
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the actual necessary work
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within the political sphere
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in Canada
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for the pro-life movement
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has more or less been neglected,
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I would say,
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for the last 40 or so years.
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So since we started
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in 2016,
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just over five years ago,
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it's been our job
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over the last five years
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to get pro-lifers
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more involved in the process
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because we have the numbers.
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It's simply that they're not involved
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within the process.
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They're not informed
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and they don't quite know
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what to do
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in order to make sure
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that their voices are heard
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within the right structures
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of, for example,
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the Conservative Party of Canada
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and eventually as we grow
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within other political parties
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as well.
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So, you know,
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like I said,
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last time around,
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we only had about 25
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or 30 EDA votes
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for our pro-life policies.
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This time,
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we more than doubled it
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and in some cases tripled.
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Still quite isn't enough.
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We know which EDAs
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where we need to get pro-lifers
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to make sure
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that they are properly represented
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on those board of directors.
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And we're finding that
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through this process
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because for our organization,
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and I might as well
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just tell you now
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because it's already baked in,
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there's about 4,000 delegates
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that are attending
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this convention.
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And from our analysis
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within our database,
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about one out of every four
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of those delegates
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comes from our right now database.
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That's a huge, huge number.
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Right off the bat,
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we have 25% of the delegates
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being from right now.
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And there are other
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pro-life organizations
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that are getting delegates there.
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There are people within the party
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who are attending the convention
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who might not be
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in any of the databases
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or just naturally pro-life.
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So I would say like
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in terms of the delegates
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at this convention,
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probably well over half
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right across the country
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are somewhere
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on the pro-life spectrum.
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So it's just a matter
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of we keep going forward,
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we keep informing pro-lifers
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of what they need to do.
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And to be frank,
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they're starting to step up.
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A lot of pro-lifers
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have told me,
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delegates saying,
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you know,
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who's,
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what's this EDA?
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You know,
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what's this policy committee?
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And how can I be a part of it?
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And how can my friends
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be a part of it?
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And that's really great.
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So the next 8 to 12 months
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are going to be really exciting
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for us in the pro-life movement
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as we take that next step
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as we mature
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within the Conservative Party of Canada
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and take our rightful place.
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Now, I know
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every virtual event
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is a bit wacky
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in how it's formatted,
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but is there going to be
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an opportunity for
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emotions from the floor
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at this convention
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as there have been
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at in-person conventions
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in the past?
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Well, since the formation
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of the Conservative Party of Canada,
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which was an amalgamation
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between, of course,
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the Canadian Alliance
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and the Progressive Conservative Party
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of Canada,
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within the Constitution,
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there is no opportunity
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for emotions from the floor.
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That used to be something
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that used to be
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within the Reform Party.
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I can't remember
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if it was in the Canadian Alliance
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or not.
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Yeah, and it's big
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in the Ontario PC Party,
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too, I know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So within the federal party,
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that has never been
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something that's been allowed.
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To be frank,
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I think it's reasonable
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because the process
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to get to convention,
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whether it be
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constitutional amendments
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or National Council candidates
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or even policy proposals,
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is relatively grassroots
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within the Conservative Party
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of Canada.
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So I think it's reasonable
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that once you get
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to convention,
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you focus on the things
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that actually made it
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to convention
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because otherwise,
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you know,
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you can have all kinds
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of motions or whatever
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and it's going to take
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a really long time
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to get through everything.
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They have hours and hours
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and hours of policy debate.
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So, you know,
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there isn't an opportunity
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within the Constitution
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of the party
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as it is now
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for any motions
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from the floor,
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so to speak.
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You know,
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I hear a lot of frustration
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from social conservatives
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in the Conservative Party
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or in Canada
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more broadly
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about where things are.
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They feel they don't
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have a voice.
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Aaron O'Toole,
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a big part of his leader,
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was that he personally
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isn't a social conservative,
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he's personally pro-choice,
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but he wants to listen
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to pro-life voices.
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Do you think there is reason
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for social conservatives
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in the Conservative movement
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to be optimistic right now?
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Well,
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it's an interesting question
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and I know a lot of people,
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a lot of pro-lifers
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were upset
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over the Derek Sloan expulsion
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and I think that there's
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legitimate questions
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about, you know,
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$131 being donated
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to his leadership campaign
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when he was raising
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hundreds of thousands
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of not millions
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from a racist
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under a different name.
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I think that's a very
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spurious charge
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and a very spurious reason
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to eject a member
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of caucus from caucus.
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But that being said,
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you know,
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Aaron O'Toole,
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when he spoke to
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our organization
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during the leadership race,
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he was very clear,
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like he said,
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on his personal stances.
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But he also did,
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you know,
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offer pro-lifers
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a couple different things.
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Number one,
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he said free votes
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within the House of Commons
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on our issues,
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something that has been
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a long-standing tradition
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within the Conservative Party
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of Canada
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and something,
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by the way,
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that the Peter McKay
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leadership campaign
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was not promising
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and then changed
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their minds on.
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Number two,
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it was that he would
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fight tooth and nail
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against the expansion
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of assisted suicide
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and I think we've seen that.
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Aaron personally
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has spoken about it
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numerous times,
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specifically from
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a personal perspective
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regarding his own mother
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going through something
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similar when she was
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sadly dying of cancer
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when he was a young boy.
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He spoke about it
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in the House of Commons
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recently this past autumn
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against the expansion
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of assisted suicide
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and when the finalized
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version of the bill
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came forward to the House
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last week,
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we saw that every single
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member of the Conservative
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Caucus who was present
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voted against that legislation.
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So, you know,
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under Aaron's leadership,
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we have seen pro-lifers
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be able to maneuver
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on a couple of things.
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Kathy Wackenthal,
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she has her sex
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selective abortion bill,
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private members bill,
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coming forward to the House
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in about a month's time.
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Hopefully sooner rather
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than later it'll have
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a second reading vote
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in the House of Commons.
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And then the third thing
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he promised or at least
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indicated that he would do
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within our interview
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during the leadership race,
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which is available
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on our website,
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is that he would campaign
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against funding
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of abortion overseas.
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Now that has yet
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to come to pass
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because there hasn't
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been an election yet.
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So I think we have
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to give Aaron Toole
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some time to see
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what he will do
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and not do.
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But on the things
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that he did say
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that he would do so far,
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he has been able to do it.
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And of course,
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Aaron O'Toole is one
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of 338 members of Parliament.
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We have 337 rottings
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we have to focus on.
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We have a number
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of pro-life members
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of Parliament
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who will be running
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for re-election
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and we have to focus
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to make sure
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that we get them re-elected.
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So if pro-lifers out there
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are kind of disappointed
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or disillusioned
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with Aaron O'Toole,
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you know,
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only the people
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who live in the rotting
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of Durham
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can vote for
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against Aaron O'Toole.
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We have other pro-lifers
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that we have to make sure
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that they get elected
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to the House of Commons
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in this upcoming election
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and that's what our goal
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is going to be going forward.
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Co-founder of Right Now,
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Scott Hayward.
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Scott, always a pleasure.
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Thanks for coming on today.
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Thanks, Andrew.
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