Juno News - PROPERTY PANIC — Homeowners fear losing land after court ruling

00:00:00.000 And welcome to Straight Up with Mark Petroni.

00:00:07.620 Appreciate you tuning in, my friends.

00:00:09.320 While they're not giving up their property without a fight,

00:00:12.320 frustrated residents in Richmond, British Columbia met for a public meeting last night.

00:00:17.560 They're worried and angry about the possibility of having land they thought was theirs taken away.

00:00:23.280 A recent court ruling granted title to a portion of land along the Fraser River

00:00:29.280 to an aboriginal band, Icawich'in.

00:00:32.880 Now, that ruling is still subject to an appeal, so nothing is confirmed,

00:00:37.580 but residents are understandably worried.

00:00:40.920 One property owner says he's been living in his home since 1975,

00:00:44.440 and now his lender won't renew his mortgage.

00:00:48.120 I'm in my land for more than enough years to know it's money.

00:00:52.700 I'm not giving it up without a fight.

00:00:54.600 I pay the tax, I bought the place, and lo and behold, I don't own my place.

00:00:59.280 I pay the tax, I don't care.

00:01:01.200 Now, residents say that the value of their homes has declined since this whole controversy began,

00:01:07.800 the judge's ruling, and they want to be compensated by the city,

00:01:11.880 saying nobody warned them there was a title issue until after the ruling came down.

00:01:17.300 Now comes word that a First Nations group in Quebec has filed a lawsuit demanding aboriginal title

00:01:23.560 over lands in western Quebec.

00:01:26.640 So, is your property next?

00:01:29.360 Don't expect any miraculous trade news from South Korea between the Canadian and American trade delegations

00:01:35.700 at the Asia-Pacific Economic Summit.

00:01:38.660 Despite some pleasantries over dinner between Trump and Carney,

00:01:42.360 the president made it clear he's not in South Korea to talk to Carney.

00:01:46.800 In a post on Truth Social, Trump wrote,

00:01:49.000 For those asking, we didn't come to South Korea to see Canada.

00:01:54.300 President Trump broke off trade talk with Canada over a TV network ad featuring the voice of Ronald Reagan

00:02:01.420 criticizing the use of tariffs.

00:02:03.920 Carney would not confirm or deny seeing the ad ahead of time, but Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario,

00:02:10.720 insists the prime minister was well aware of it.

00:02:13.340 Back to the Reagan ad, how do you know the prime minister and his chief of staff saw this particular ad

00:02:20.320 before you moved ahead with airing it?

00:02:23.100 I was with them.

00:02:23.700 Did they express concern when you were with them?

00:02:27.980 I'm not going to talk about our private conversation at all.

00:02:31.740 I told them that we're running it.

00:02:33.660 I'm going to cut it off on Monday.

00:02:36.120 And that's it.

00:02:38.000 I think it was the right thing to do.

00:02:41.160 It's start a conversation like I've never seen before.

00:02:43.340 Ford also wants an apology from the U.S. ambassador to Canada

00:02:47.980 for cursing out Ontario's trade representative, David Peterson.

00:02:52.900 Ambassador Hoekstra, to use a blunt phrase,

00:02:57.000 cursing out your Ontario representative in the United States at a meeting.

00:03:02.500 What do you say to that?

00:03:03.440 This was related to your advertisement, related to Donald Reagan.

00:03:08.060 What's your response to Ambassador Hoekstra's words?

00:03:11.000 Pete, you've got to call Dave up and apologize.

00:03:14.680 It's simple.

00:03:15.640 You know, the cheese slipped off the cracker.

00:03:17.540 I get it.

00:03:18.000 You're ticked off.

00:03:19.380 But call the guy up.

00:03:21.220 But just call the guy up and bury the hatchet.

00:03:24.420 Call the guy up and apologize.

00:03:25.820 Let's start getting back on track.

00:03:28.080 I'm not telling him.

00:03:29.680 I'm suggesting that, you know, you get hot-headed one day,

00:03:35.500 call Dave up and say, I apologize.

00:03:37.680 Sorry, got a little heated.

00:03:38.900 So, you know, it's as simple as that.

00:03:41.920 People get in disagreements.

00:03:44.360 It's unbecoming of an ambassador.

00:03:46.320 I've never heard of this in my entire life.

00:03:50.280 He's referring to David Patterson there, the trade rep.

00:03:53.960 U.S. ambassador Pete Hoekstra also said that the deal was almost done,

00:03:58.660 and all but there, until the ads came out and ruined everything.

00:04:02.680 Independent journalist Wyatt Claypool joins us from Victoria.

00:04:07.940 Wyatt, in a way, this whole ad controversy has kind of been a handy distraction for Mark Carney

00:04:15.320 because since he got to Asia, there's been really no announcements about any trade developments at all.

00:04:21.040 In the meantime, Donald Trump has made several announcements as far as trade goes.

00:04:25.260 Well, and now we have also David Eby giving Mark Carney even more cover for having failed on making not only a trade agreement with the U.S.,

00:04:35.460 but making substantial trade agreements anywhere else.

00:04:39.060 This is, we're replaying what happened in Europe, but now we're doing it in Asia.

00:04:43.280 Mark Carney shows up, signs some very vague agreements about how we should cooperate more, and that's it.

00:04:50.080 Whereas Donald Trump is signing agreements where countries are guaranteeing to buy certain amounts of American goods,

00:04:56.760 and they're eating our lunch at the same time we're pretending our trade agreements are going to mean anything.

00:05:00.960 In fact, these countries aren't going to have any money to buy Canadian goods after having signed these agreements with Donald Trump.

00:05:08.920 I find it also amazing that people are viewing every single gesture coming out of South Korea involving Mark Carney and Trump

00:05:19.540 as some kind of seismic thing that we should all be talking about, you know.

00:05:23.520 Here's Trump acknowledging Carney, you know, but then later on they just passed without acknowledging each other or saying hello.

00:05:32.360 You know, it's like people are watching this thing so very closely.

00:05:36.500 It's a little bit amusing.

00:05:37.560 I was watching some of the mainstream media coverage and reading some articles this morning.

00:05:43.700 They make it sound like there was, like, substantial gains for Canada in Carney just sitting down at a dinner where Donald Trump was also present.

00:05:51.980 I suppose they talked a little bit as if Trump was going to stand up and slap him across the face.

00:05:57.260 There's nothing, we didn't gain anything by them sitting in a room together and not fighting.

00:06:02.120 And then I think the real story of how this whole tour has gone for Mark Carney is Donald Trump posting on Truth Social,

00:06:10.640 I came to South Korea not to talk to Canada because truly he's not there to talk to us.

00:06:15.600 And if anything, we seem like a small scared puppy following him around looking for a trade deal.

00:06:20.260 At the same time, Mark Carney keeps pulling this thing.

00:06:22.960 You know, who needs the quickie, Mark?

00:06:25.040 Not me.

00:06:25.700 And then he goes and tries to sign a deal in Asia and the entire time is concerned with what Donald Trump thinks.

00:06:31.300 And then there's the whole fuzzy situation around who knew what, when, in terms of this ad, you know,

00:06:37.860 where you've got the questions being posed to Mark Carney, you know, did you see the ads ahead of time?

00:06:43.260 He didn't really answer, didn't want to go there.

00:06:46.040 You've got Ford saying, wow, he was with me at the time, so he most certainly saw the ads.

00:06:51.340 I mean, this is silliness. 0.83

00:06:53.680 It's absolutely silliness. 0.80

00:06:55.340 Go ahead.

00:06:55.920 It would have been the most well-kept secret on the planet if Doug Ford's PC government was able to put out this ad without Mark Carney knowing about it.

00:07:05.280 The capital is in the same province as Ontario, and somehow nobody in the Ontario government had let them know that this ad was going to go out.

00:07:14.860 Even now we have Premier Doug Ford saying that Mark Carney already knew about it and didn't stop him.

00:07:21.340 And I think maybe it's Carney was being smart and thinking that, hey, if Ford screws this up, I was already not going to get a trade deal signed.

00:07:28.980 But now Ford can take it on the chin as being the reason for why this all happened.

00:07:33.620 And he can be the controversy and I can kind of sit over here pretending I'm accomplishing anything.

00:07:38.860 In the meantime, Ford is spiking the football over these ads, which led directly to torpedoing of a deal that was fairly imminent.

00:07:47.020 I mean, I guess he just thinks it's fantastic.

00:07:49.920 He says, well, Americans weren't really aware of the issue, but they're aware of it now.

00:07:53.440 So therefore, we won.

00:07:54.500 Does that justify having imploding this deal that was on the table?

00:08:02.220 I mean, according to Pete Hextra, you know, this was a done deal.

00:08:06.160 Well, and now this morning we have Doug Ford posturing it again and demanding an apology for one of the trade envoys from Ontario being yelled at by either the ambassador or somebody else.

00:08:17.740 It really doesn't matter.

00:08:18.820 It's a nothing burger of a story.

00:08:20.560 But now we're trying to pretend, hey, we also have things to be offended by.

00:08:24.500 And sometimes people end up getting bogged down in the narrative, going back to the substance of the ad that Ford was running.

00:08:31.040 Well, was he right about what Reagan thought about tariffs?

00:08:33.780 It doesn't matter.

00:08:35.280 It literally doesn't matter.

00:08:36.820 This entire trade dispute has had this annoying kind of chattering going on in like the media and on social media.

00:08:45.640 Well, are the Americans wrong for what they're doing? 0.99

00:08:49.040 Well, that really doesn't matter.

00:08:51.540 What are we going to do to get to a real trade deal?

00:08:53.840 And this is why we've not gotten to a trade deal.

00:08:56.380 People don't really know this like commonly right now.

00:08:59.580 It's not like it's a hidden fact.

00:09:01.120 But Mark Carney has been drawing lines around issues that Dominic LeBlanc and Melanie Jolie, as our trade representatives, are not allowed to talk about.

00:09:10.960 So when you're not allowed to talk about Canadian media laws, when you're not allowed to talk about supply management, other duties that we have, other regulations that they want gone, how are you going to sign a deal?

00:09:22.960 Because we don't have any demands we can really make because we are not willing to give any concessions.

00:09:27.700 We have no ability to make any threats.

00:09:29.240 And we sort of sit there wondering if they're just going to let us off the hook.

00:09:33.580 And should they?

00:09:35.020 From like, I don't know, a moral perspective or something, it doesn't really matter.

00:09:38.580 It's happening.

00:09:39.500 And we're basically whining about the fact things are happening.

00:09:42.840 Yeah.

00:09:42.960 And the idea that Ford thinks, well, the deal that was on the table apparently didn't include autos.

00:09:49.520 It was really all about steel, aluminum, and energy, which is fine.

00:09:55.860 You know, that would have provided relief had that deal have been announced and signed.

00:10:00.000 That would have provided relief for those three sectors. 0.80

00:10:03.380 But in Doug Ford's world, hey, it didn't include autos.

00:10:06.400 So screw that.

00:10:07.820 Well, let's upend the chessboard and start from scratch.

00:10:12.120 Meantime, they've spent, I don't know, $75 million.

00:10:14.860 He says it wasn't that much, but still it is an extraordinary amount of money.

00:10:19.520 And who knows how long it'll take for us to get trade talks back on the rails, Wyatt.

00:10:24.320 And this is the same thing that Premier David Eby is doing in British Columbia,

00:10:28.480 that they are using the tariff situation as an excuse for why the auto industry in Ontario

00:10:36.980 and the softwood lumber industry in British Columbia are collapsing.

00:10:40.560 They were collapsing long before any of the trade issues started.

00:10:44.820 But now they're acting as if the tariffs are what's hurting the auto industry.

00:10:49.720 Oh, the tariffs are what's hurting the softwood lumber industry.

00:10:53.020 I was just messaged by somebody who works at a Port Alberni sawmill yesterday saying that

00:10:58.880 they still import American fiber because it's so restrictive.

00:11:03.120 The industry is so restrictive in B.C. that you can't cut down enough trees to even meet

00:11:07.780 your fiber needs, even though it is an entire province of trees.

00:11:11.360 They could easily do it, but they still, in the middle of this trade dispute, import American

00:11:17.060 fiber because of just how much the NDP government locally has hamstrung the industry.

00:11:22.520 Yeah, I just don't know if Ford and others really understand the dynamic of our relationship

00:11:27.900 with the United States.

00:11:28.760 I mean, clearly we need a deal much more than they need one.

00:11:33.140 And so, I mean, that immediately is going to push you behind the eight ball.

00:11:36.840 We want access to their 340 million people.

00:11:40.840 You know, they're a huge market over there.

00:11:42.820 They don't really have to have, I mean, they appreciate it.

00:11:45.400 They like it.

00:11:46.220 They certainly sell stuff out here, but that accounts for about 12% of their economy.

00:11:50.800 Their total exports, you know, we're 12%.

00:11:53.480 Meantime, they are 70% of ours.

00:11:55.820 So that dynamic alone should suggest that the sense of urgency should be on our side

00:12:01.340 in terms of getting a deal with the Americans.

00:12:03.740 Because as you heard Trump say, I can live with what we have, you know?

00:12:08.940 I mean, can we say the same thing?

00:12:10.500 No, we can't.

00:12:12.620 And the biggest lie of the past year was Mark Carney running in the general election

00:12:17.260 as the guy who knows how to negotiate with a man like Donald Trump.

00:12:20.580 He clearly doesn't because he doesn't understand the value of trying to get to a win-win agreement.

00:12:27.360 He just thinks like, oh, Trump plays hardball, so I'm going to play hardball too.

00:12:31.080 It's like, no, you are negotiating with a country with more economic power than you.

00:12:35.600 You need to kind of generate a media, a rhetorical win-win for you both so that Trump feels happy

00:12:41.480 with whatever you get.

00:12:42.740 You could actually make Canada better off in this situation.

00:12:46.000 But the thing is that the elbows-up rhetoric, the way that the liberals pitched themselves

00:12:50.360 in the election, has basically precluded them from actually coming to a win-win that

00:12:54.580 would actually get Trump on board, that would actually get a better deal for Canada, because

00:12:58.900 we're trying to pitch this as, we're just trying to get the best deal for Canada, screw

00:13:02.500 the Americans.

00:13:03.560 We could have basically softened supply management, maybe cleaned up some of our media laws, and

00:13:09.200 then invited the Americans along to get to a zero-tariff situation where, how about

00:13:13.840 we gang up on China, you need Canada to basically, to basically help you like fight back against 0.98

00:13:21.480 China, except that at the same time, we're negotiating and failing to get to an agreement

00:13:26.100 with the Americans.

00:13:27.020 We're actually being far nicer to the Chinese who also have tariffs on us. 0.96

00:13:31.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:32.320 Just ask our canola farmers.

00:13:34.320 I've got to ask you about the situation in Richmond, British Columbia, and Juneau News

00:13:39.480 covered this, we were there.

00:13:42.160 Obviously, residents there in South Richmond, I guess, are quite concerned, understandably

00:13:47.260 so, after this judge's ruling, basically allocating a portion of property along the

00:13:53.560 Fraser River to this band, the Cowiches. 0.95

00:13:57.520 And people are saying, well, that sucks.

00:14:01.020 I mean, I've lived here since 1975 or whatever.

00:14:03.440 Some of those people actually still have mortgages.

00:14:05.380 And the lenders are saying, you know what, we can't renew your mortgage because of this.

00:14:10.800 We're seeing property values diminished as a result of all this uncertainty.

00:14:15.400 This is not a good situation.

00:14:17.160 And then add to that, now we've got a band out in Quebec saying that there's portions

00:14:22.080 of land in Western.

00:14:23.780 You knew this was going to happen, right?

00:14:25.520 As soon as this stuff hit in Richmond, other bands, and I don't blame them, are looking

00:14:30.040 across the country and say, yeah, me too.

00:14:32.340 Well, and what you also have going on is the secret deals behind the scenes as well. 0.84

00:14:38.300 The Cowiches ensued because it was, frankly, a ridiculous ask that you were going to have

00:14:43.700 Aboriginal title recognized over an already built up urban center.

00:14:48.500 But there's been tons of other deals in British Columbia, and this is where the government,

00:14:53.020 the NDP government, just has no leg to stand on.

00:14:55.840 They've been happily signing away land elsewhere.

00:14:59.060 They signed over Haida Gawaii, the Queen Charlotte Islands, 100% to the Haida ban to the point 0.95

00:15:05.860 where people had their houses bulldozed by basically the ban council, and they couldn't

00:15:11.040 do anything about it because it's now the ban's land.

00:15:13.660 And the thing is about all this is that it's kind of gross because it's always these lawyers

00:15:18.160 and consultants and ban council activists pretending they are doing this because we need to help

00:15:23.880 the individual First Nations person, even though this is actually not helping any of them at all

00:15:28.760 because they don't own anything.

00:15:30.360 Because on Aboriginal title land, they can't own private property just like anyone else can own 1.00

00:15:35.080 private property.

00:15:35.800 These act like mini Soviet states within British Columbia, and this can absolutely happen elsewhere 0.88

00:15:41.740 in Canada.

00:15:42.720 And remember, just in BC alone, I think there's over 150 bans who would be eligible to also pursuing

00:15:50.040 similar lawsuits.

00:15:51.860 You could have this happen endlessly.

00:15:54.300 The Cowichan could do this again on other parts of Vancouver Island or along parts of

00:15:59.480 the mainland where they could just simply, frankly, make up that we used to have an area

00:16:05.280 around here that could have been a fishing village or whatever, and now we want it back.

00:16:09.340 You cannot have law being based on oral testimony of what you owned and what you didn't own,

00:16:15.320 where you are supposed to be the end-all be-all in terms of the authority over who owned what.

00:16:21.500 And you would think that some of these judges would count for that.

00:16:26.120 You know, I mean, I understand that they've got to base it on law and what's on the books

00:16:29.920 and all that, but considering the amazing amount of upheaval as a decision like that brings

00:16:35.700 about, you know, did they factor that in?

00:16:38.460 I'm thinking probably not.

00:16:39.980 Well, this is the, there's a legal idea of reasonableness, and this has been incompletely

00:16:47.720 unreasonable.

00:16:48.680 The idea that you're going to argue that well over 100 years ago, this could have been

00:16:53.680 a fishing village, and that's why you now need to own the dirt out under everyone's 0.87

00:16:57.920 house in Richmond is quite the thing.

00:17:00.780 And yes, now actually the Cowichan, they already got a portion of the land given to them and

00:17:05.960 transferred over to Aboriginal title that the government's appealing.

00:17:08.940 But the Cowichan themselves are appealing and saying that, no, no, no, we actually own

00:17:13.420 everything in this green drawn lined area, because if you ever see the map, there'll be

00:17:19.020 a small little area, not exactly small considering a lot of people's homes are there, but a smaller

00:17:24.300 area that the courts had ruled are under Cowichan Aboriginal title, but then they just want basically

00:17:30.780 the rest of it as well.

00:17:32.200 And unless you actually extinguish, legally extinguish Aboriginal title in this area, it's

00:17:38.300 not going to go away.

00:17:39.720 And this is also bringing up a lot of controversy, rightfully so, that maybe we need to actually

00:17:46.800 either completely get rid of or modify Section 35 of the Constitution, because that and laws

00:17:54.060 like UNDRIP or DRIPA in British Columbia are effectively making it so that, yes, while

00:18:00.280 many of these judges seem like activists, technically, is this legally sound? 0.96

00:18:05.480 Well, maybe based on the really stupid laws that our provincial governments have on the 0.99

00:18:09.600 books as well as the Constitution. 0.98

00:18:11.540 How much of this is about land acknowledgements?

00:18:14.760 I mean, did that play a role?

00:18:16.200 We've had years of this sort of thing now, this kind of woke sense of, you know, we are

00:18:20.220 here on the traditional lands of the so-and-so band, is that what started it and got people

00:18:27.280 thinking and got these bands, you know, thinking, well, if you're acknowledging that it's our

00:18:32.040 land, then maybe you should give it back.

00:18:34.340 You know, from there, one thing leads to another.

00:18:36.080 Next thing you know, it's in the courts and they get a decision in their favor.

00:18:39.560 These things actually have been going on since the 80s.

00:18:43.120 There is a notorious law firm, I'm not going to name them, but in British Columbia, they've

00:18:47.740 been helping do these lawsuits since 1989.

00:18:51.760 So this predated the land acknowledgement kind of craze that's gone on over the last

00:18:56.380 decade or so.

00:18:58.000 The problem, though, with the land acknowledgements is that it obviously is a sort of way of grooming

00:19:02.600 people into not fighting back.

00:19:04.700 The idea is that we, every single day, repeat the mantra that we don't really own any of this

00:19:09.860 and it's unseeded and even though, like, it's the wilderness when you show up in British

00:19:14.520 Columbia as settlers back in the day.

00:19:16.640 It's kind of ridiculous that now 200 years later we're going to be saying that, no, actually

00:19:21.960 you needed to sign something for that land that, frankly, nobody was using.

00:19:25.900 Does there need to be cutouts?

00:19:27.300 Does there need to be cooperation with First Nations people in certain instances?

00:19:31.140 Definitely.

00:19:31.540 But the whole idea that we're effectively in a state where 115% of the entire province 0.94

00:19:37.500 could be owned by a First Nations band is kind of silly.

00:19:40.980 That's not how land ownership has worked anywhere else in history at any other time.

00:19:46.260 And the land acknowledgements are something that needs to be ended.

00:19:49.820 Even in Richmond, the mayor of Richmond, Mayor Brody, even had to say that we can't do land

00:19:56.540 acknowledgements while this case is proceeding because we're now in a legal situation.

00:20:00.420 And I cannot repeat something saying that this isn't ours because it absolutely is.

00:20:06.840 People paid money for the land that their house occupies.

00:20:11.380 It's fee simple title.

00:20:12.500 They paid for it.

00:20:13.300 It's theirs.

00:20:14.200 We're not going to be repeating anything that undermines that right anymore.

00:20:18.160 And if it comes down to compensation, either to the band or possibly landowners, because

00:20:23.480 many of the property owners in South Richmond are saying, well, if we're going to lose title

00:20:29.620 to our property, we want to be compensated with a city to compensate or maybe the province.

00:20:34.300 I mean, once you start factoring that across the country, you're into the tens of maybe

00:20:38.820 hundreds of billions of dollars considering how much territory, how much property we're

00:20:43.180 talking about, especially all that expensive property in places like Vancouver and Toronto.

00:20:48.200 And there has to be, even in the current legal framework, there has to be a just reasonable

00:20:54.520 statute of limitations.

00:20:56.720 You can't wait until things have been heavily built up and now the property has a lot of

00:21:01.040 value and now you're going to be challenging it based on there being no agreement for you

00:21:05.800 to point back to that was violated.

00:21:07.720 The whole point is that they even admit, well, it's unseeded.

00:21:10.260 Well, it wasn't ever seeded by the original group in the first place.

00:21:13.960 They're just a story that they used to potentially want to use it.

00:21:17.880 That doesn't then equal that you have legal rights to it or else we would own a lot of

00:21:22.820 things by simply having existed around it long enough.

00:21:25.840 It's just legally not sustainable.

00:21:31.100 And it's very, I think, telling that this is now happening in large urban centers where

00:21:35.920 they know that the local governments have a lot of money that they could potentially bill

00:21:39.960 out if the if the band council is able to win the lawsuit, because, again, this has

00:21:44.240 nothing to do with the average First Nations person.

00:21:46.700 This is band council officials, its consultants and its lawyers.

00:21:50.780 That is it.

00:21:51.340 It has nothing to do with the average person who in many First Nations communities are still

00:21:55.660 living in poverty because you can't create wealth on First Nations land because it's not 0.99

00:22:00.440 owned by anybody but the band council.

00:22:03.020 Again, there are many Soviet states.

00:22:04.540 If you wanted to start a sawmill, if you wanted to start a mine, if you want to start a

00:22:07.940 small business as a First Nations person, band council can veto it because it's not yours.

00:22:12.120 And they can tell you that you're not allowed to do it because it's, you're effectively a

00:22:15.200 ward of the state if you're First Nations person on reserve land. 0.84

00:22:19.400 And what implications are there for the resource sector?

00:22:21.660 You know, you want to build Northern gateway 2.0 or whatever out to the coast, you're

00:22:27.700 dealing with bands.

00:22:29.000 I mean, my understanding is when that project was being discussed, a lot of the bands were

00:22:33.860 absolutely on side with it.

00:22:35.180 Oh, well, remember what's happened with the wetsuit weapon is then suddenly we found the

00:22:40.180 hereditary trees to try and kill the, kill the project because all this is legal horseshoes

00:22:44.820 at the end of the day.

00:22:45.460 Anyways, even if you get the band on side, activists can always basically nominate people

00:22:50.680 to pretend as if they actually have the real authority around here, which is truly the most

00:22:55.540 racist thing I've ever seen in my life that, uh, you know, you're trying to build a pipeline

00:23:00.240 and the band council who can be obstructive at times, even they said, yes, but suddenly

00:23:05.980 we found the real king of the land to come out and say no to it.

00:23:09.240 It would be like, uh, you know, it was like if you, uh, if you're trying to build some sort

00:23:13.700 of a piece of property in, in Norway, and then somebody after the local council approves

00:23:18.880 that someone throws on a horned helmet and says, actually, I happen to be the patriarch

00:23:23.080 of this area and you're no longer allowed to build.

00:23:25.440 Yeah.

00:23:26.120 This is Viking land.

00:23:27.220 Get off.

00:23:27.940 Wyatt, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:23:30.840 We really do appreciate it.

00:23:31.880 Absolutely.

00:23:32.880 Thanks for having me on, Mark.

00:23:33.720 Wyatt's faithful.

00:23:35.220 And that is it for this edition of straight up.

00:23:37.420 Appreciate you tuning in my friends.

00:23:39.020 Let's do it again real soon, shall we?

00:23:40.580 Bye bye for now.

Juno News - October 29, 2025

PROPERTY PANIC — Homeowners fear losing land after court ruling

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