Juno News - Resisting the mob (feat. Caylan Ford)

00:00:00.000 I spoke in the previous show with my colleague, Rachel Emanuel, about the Alberta election,

00:00:13.620 which is currently underway right now. We're getting all the press releases from all the

00:00:17.900 candidates. They're announcing their platforms. Yesterday, Rachel Notley, the former premier

00:00:23.440 seeking to return to the seat, had a press conference in which she said she wanted to 0.95

00:00:28.600 send a message to conservatives that were thinking of voting NDP for the first time. And I was like,

00:00:34.620 well, this actually sounds quite interesting. So I went on Zoom because you could connect via Zoom

00:00:39.260 and I joined the press conference and you have to click the raise hand button if you want to ask a

00:00:44.060 question. And they never called on me, the only one on that press conference that has, I'd say,

00:00:49.460 probably a larger share of conservatives in the audience that are the people Ms. Notley

00:00:55.140 ostensibly wants to speak to. But they called on one reporter twice. So that was how much they

00:01:00.580 really, really, really didn't want me to ask her a question. But when we talk about this election,

00:01:06.000 I think we need to also take a look back into four years ago, the election that elected Jason

00:01:11.320 Kenney as premier of the UCP government, the first ever UCP government. And one particular story

00:01:19.100 that may not be politically relevant to a lot of people now, but is culturally relevant

00:01:24.320 and is incredibly relevant to the individual at the center of that story. And that is Kaylin Ford,

00:01:29.960 who I have interviewed in the past. And we'll talk a little bit about that in this show. She was a star

00:01:36.260 candidate called a unicorn by some people in the 2019 election. She was running for the UCP in a seat

00:01:43.620 that wasn't a traditionally conservative seat, but they thought was within reach, incredibly well

00:01:48.300 educated, incredibly eloquent, and was the victim of a horrific smear campaign by someone who she once

00:01:54.540 called a friend. And that smear campaign was very much enabled by mainstream media outlets and by some

00:02:01.720 alternative media outlets. And Kaylin Ford has released a new documentary about this ordeal and

00:02:08.340 also about the broader themes it touches on. It's called When the Mob Came. And Kaylin joins me now.

00:02:15.480 Kaylin, it's good to talk to you again. Thanks for coming on today, firstly.

00:02:19.320 Thanks, Andrew. And to clarify, the documentary is, as we speak, being rendered and will be released later

00:02:25.200 tonight. So don't forget to run, but later this evening, it should be public. And yeah.

00:02:32.520 Wonderful. I appreciate that clarification. And I had the good fortune of being able to see an

00:02:37.520 advance copy of it, which was quite compelling. And even having followed your story and having

00:02:43.960 known you in some capacity, I learned things from it and was forced to reflect on certain things.

00:02:50.000 And I don't want to rehash a lot of the details that the people can find for themselves. But

00:02:54.940 I'll ask, firstly, why you wanted to do this? Because for someone that's gone through what you went

00:03:00.200 through, it wouldn't surprise me if you wanted to just kind of shut the door and lock it on that

00:03:04.900 chapter of your life and move on. And I know you've done that largely. You've started a fantastic

00:03:09.720 school in Calgary, or you're trying to open one in Edmonton as well. Why go back to this time in

00:03:15.440 your life?

00:03:17.180 Well, so in answer to that question, look, we talk about people being cancelled. And there's

00:03:21.580 obviously a spectrum, right? Some people might be deplatformed on one or several occasions.

00:03:26.000 In my case, my life was annihilated.

00:03:29.200 I was on the front page of the Toronto Star four times. They said I came from a trash heap

00:03:35.320 and that I had been caught promoting white supremacy. Three different CBC headlines said 0.98

00:03:40.400 that I basically was a white supremacist. It was on CBC's The National with Wendy Mesley.

00:03:45.960 And it didn't stop for a month. So it was almost daily coverage, making these claims about me.

00:03:52.980 Any attempt that I made to try to tell my own side of the story ended up suppressed. We can get

00:03:57.380 into that. Employers wouldn't engage with me. I was told I couldn't sit on charitable boards.

00:04:02.640 Friends left me. They faced ostracism from their social circles if they continued engaging with me.

00:04:08.500 This was complete character assassination. I couldn't earn a livelihood. It took me

00:04:14.340 almost four years before I was able to get new employment. And that was through an organization

00:04:19.560 that I founded. So I was persona non grata. I couldn't just move on. And this is one of the

00:04:26.120 misconceptions that I hope this documentary will maybe prompt people to reflect on is

00:04:30.080 when you are subject to this sort of like shame storm, the media will move on. The mob will move

00:04:37.560 on. That person's life has been completely torn through. And they can't just always pick up the

00:04:46.180 pieces and sort of reassemble it. So on the one hand, this was I had no platform to tell the story

00:04:51.960 and I had no employment. But I did have a background in documentary filmmaking,

00:04:56.620 which is very fortuitous.

00:04:58.600 One of the interesting dynamics here is that you're obviously interviewing some of the people

00:05:03.700 in this documentary. You're releasing it, but you're featured in it and it's about you. And there

00:05:08.560 are other people that are being interviewed about you. And I'm wondering why, just from a production

00:05:14.160 standpoint, you decided to approach it in such a personal way. Because oftentimes, and I know this is

00:05:19.560 someone who's written about cancel culture, there can be a temptation to deal with it in the abstract

00:05:24.400 because it's a bit safer. You can talk about other people being canceled and hope that that may,

00:05:29.160 you know, in a roundabout way, kind of get people to sort of take your side on it without having to

00:05:34.160 really expose yourself again.

00:05:36.440 Yeah. So making a documentary about my own life is, it is horrifying. You know, it is, I was sharing

00:05:44.260 with you, it feels to me like just the height of narcissistic self-indulgence. And it's very obvious,

00:05:49.220 and I'm very upfront about the fact that this is a persuasive piece, that my goal is actually to

00:05:52.960 change people's minds about me. And that's, that's extremely personal. I'm kind of like laying my heart

00:05:58.600 bare for the world. And I may or may not find that that's a cathartic event. You know, but yeah, it is,

00:06:07.220 it is challenging. You'll notice in the film, I often slip into speaking in the third person. And I think

00:06:11.300 that's just a, that's a coping mechanism that I acquired to try to intellectualize the experience,

00:06:15.700 because I found it, it's very difficult to talk about me in this context. But yeah, so it's,

00:06:21.380 that's really challenging. I had to, the way I tried to overcome that was by dressing it up

00:06:25.460 intellectually and sort of couching it in a philosophical framework. So the entire documentary

00:06:30.080 is actually kind of framed by Plato's Gorgias dialogue. And the central thesis, if I might summarize,

00:06:37.560 that comes from that dialogue, is that we should take greater care to avoid doing wrong,

00:06:44.020 than we should to avoid suffering wrong. And that above all else, we should care about actually

00:06:50.140 being good and rather than making people believe that we're good. And this relates to cancel culture

00:06:56.420 in the sense that I think cancel culture, it's obviously not culture, it's an anti-culture,

00:07:01.300 but it's a culture of intellectual and moral inversion, where false virtues or the performance

00:07:07.180 of false virtues is celebrated at the expense of the real thing. And so this is a documentary about,

00:07:13.980 well, is it better to strive for the real thing, or to sort of perform the counterfeit?

00:07:21.580 And is it better to suffer injury or to do it from the vantage point of the soul? So this is how I've tried

00:07:28.060 to overcome the difficulty of turning the lens on myself in my own life.

00:07:32.380 One of the challenges that I believe you would presumably admit you faced is that you are, as

00:07:39.180 people can tell, I think from your answer there, and from any of your other work, an incredibly

00:07:43.900 intellectual person. You're a very cerebral person, you're well-read, you have references

00:07:48.060 dating back thousands of years for things. And intellectual exercises are not really all that fitting

00:07:53.740 in modern politics, which is about sound bites and brevities. There's one, you know, little illumination

00:07:59.340 of this in the documentary, when your former campaign manager is talking about canvassing,

00:08:03.180 which is when you go knocking on doors, and your role in the party's view of things is to

00:08:08.780 knock on a door to find out if they're voting for you or not, and move on to the next door.

00:08:13.020 You're not trying to persuade them, you're trying to identify them. Whereas your view is

00:08:17.020 the one that would make campaign managers have an aneurysm, which is let's sit and have a

00:08:20.860 conversation for 20 minutes or 30 minutes. And how difficult is that for you, coming from an

00:08:26.380 academic background and an intellectual background, where you believe that everything can be approached

00:08:31.020 with reason, and that every kind of conflict can be the start of a conversation, when I think the

00:08:36.700 crux of the problem here is that you have people that aren't interested in conversations, that aren't

00:08:40.380 interested in challenging their perceptions, however wrong they are.

00:08:44.700 Yeah, and you see me struggle with that in the film, I think, because my general assumption is that

00:08:48.940 people are reasonable, and they can be reasoned with. On the campaign trail, I actually found that

00:08:52.860 that assumption was usually borne out. Most, you know, generally, people, when you meet them face

00:08:58.060 to face, they are quite reasonable, but...

00:09:00.140 Yeah, that's the Twitter is not real life thesis, which I generally agree with.

00:09:03.660 Exactly. But, you know, I was really struggling with this. And I think part of the explanation is

00:09:09.020 people who deploy the tools of cancel culture, I just take for granted that most people assume that

00:09:17.820 truth is good. And that in the case of a dispute or a sort of moral contestation,

00:09:24.700 you can engage in dialectical conversation where you're both parties are aiming toward truth.

00:09:29.340 And this is the means by which disagreements can be adjudicated. But if you're dealing with people who

00:09:35.740 don't believe truth is good, then it has no moral weight, you can't appeal to it, it doesn't make any sense

00:09:43.100 to try to say, you know, what you're saying is untrue. They don't care. The point is to suppress

00:09:48.460 truth in the hopes that by doing so, you will create some space for a new reality, a supposedly

00:09:53.980 better reality to flourish. And so that's why cancel culture sort of undermines the fundamental

00:10:00.140 logic of civilization. It destroys even the most sort of fundamental means by which we might adjudicate

00:10:06.140 disagreements. But yeah, I mean, you see me like struggling with that at a very personal level in

00:10:09.740 the film. Well, and you mentioned something which I think was it was incredibly astute,

00:10:14.380 which I hadn't really thought of, which is that and I'm going to butcher your line, 0.62

00:10:17.420 so I won't pretend I'm quoting it accurately. But the premise of it was that cancel culture

00:10:22.620 only works if there's an institutional application of it and that, you know, everyone just shouting in

00:10:27.340 the void about how you are X or Y is not really cancel culture. It's when some other organ, whether it's

00:10:33.340 a political party or an employer or a media outlet decides we're going to apply this to reality.

00:10:39.260 I was wondering if you could elaborate on that a bit.

00:10:40.860 Yeah. Well, so, you know, there's kind of two dimensions of cancel culture. There's the

00:10:44.140 public shaming and the de-platforming. And cancel culture is sort of when these two things come

00:10:48.540 together. So the public shaming, so having people sort of say terrible things about you on a very

00:10:54.460 large scale, that is a devastating experience. And anyone who has gone through it will know even when

00:11:00.700 it's just online, it affects you very deeply. You know, it triggers a sort of fight or flight response.

00:11:05.660 It makes you question your perception of reality and your beliefs about yourself. So it's devastating.

00:11:13.260 But what the sort of mob aims to do is not just to humiliate you or harass you. It is to appeal to

00:11:22.700 authorities to strip you of your platform, your livelihood, your ability to speak, your ability

00:11:27.820 to defend yourself. So they're asking institutions, they're asking people in positions of power,

00:11:33.420 whether it's your employer or media outlet or venue or whatever, in my case, a political party and

00:11:38.140 others. They're asking them to sort of de-person you. And so the actual cancellation is only affected

00:11:44.460 through an act of institutional capitulation. It is, you have to have someone willing to

00:11:51.180 submit to the demands of the mob for this to actually be, for it to work.

00:11:55.580 One of the things that I found quite interesting is that, I don't know if it was intentional on

00:12:01.500 your part, but there seems to be a bit of conflict, even in the way you discuss it, about whether you

00:12:06.460 did anything wrong. And I think, generally speaking, you are of the mind or should be of the mind that

00:12:10.780 you didn't. But it's very easy when discussing it to fall into that trap of wanting to make amends,

00:12:16.540 still.

00:12:17.820 Yeah. So look, when, from my vantage point, it looked to me like the entire world was saying

00:12:24.700 that I was a terrible person, that I was morally abhorrent. You know, people, if you, if you read

00:12:30.220 the tweets carefully that appear on the screen, you'll see people saying, you know, your family

00:12:33.420 should be so ashamed. You deserve to be exiled. It's great. You'll never work again. The person who 0.68

00:12:38.860 outed you is full of courage. We should have more people like him in politics, things like this.

00:12:43.820 And moreover, like I said, employers wouldn't, wouldn't touch me, wouldn't respond to me,

00:12:50.140 like media wouldn't engage with me. So you start to really doubt your perception of reality. And

00:12:56.540 what happens when the outside world has, seems to have one view and you hold an internal perception

00:13:02.940 that's different, this creates a deep dissonance that you're naturally going to try to want to

00:13:08.620 resolve somehow. And there's sort of three main ways that you can try to resolve that. You can either

00:13:13.740 try to persuade the world to see things as you do, or you can adopt the world's view of you,

00:13:19.660 or you can go a kind of stoical approach where you separate the internal from the external and

00:13:24.940 you no longer rely on any kind of external validation to tell you what's true, just sort of

00:13:29.180 guided by, you know, sort of faith in things unseen. And, and I kind of oscillate between all three of

00:13:36.220 those. And so you'll, you know, you'll see me really grappling with well, why are thousands of

00:13:41.500 people demanding apologies from me? Why is a premier, two premiers and a mayor of a city and

00:13:46.780 all of these news sort of media figures, why are they all asking me to apologize for what? And, and I

00:13:53.980 really grappled with this question. And I would ask people in earnest, you know, what, what have I done

00:13:59.420 wrong? Cause I don't understand. And I never got an answer. When you talk about the employer aspect

00:14:07.580 of this, I mean, the one thing that, that really is the most jarring about cancel culture, defenders

00:14:12.300 of it will often say, well, it's not about cancel culture. It's consequence culture. They say that,

00:14:17.180 you know, it's the, they almost appeal actually to conservative language where they say, well, no,

00:14:21.580 it's, you know, it's about justice. It's about consequences. It's about the idea of the marketplace of

00:14:26.780 ideas. And, and the problem with that is that no one who fuels this is interested in proportionality.

00:14:33.340 They don't say, you know, you sped, so you should get a speeding ticket and pay it and move on with

00:14:38.300 your life. It's like, everything's the death penalty, basically to use an extreme, I'm actually,

00:14:43.260 to be honest, it's, it's not even all that extreme in some cases with how they view. And that's the

00:14:48.540 problem here. So it's that even if people believed you were unfit to be a candidate, which I don't feel

00:14:53.660 was the case, that's not what they wanted. They wanted you stripped of your party membership,

00:14:57.260 they wanted you prevented from working again, there would be people that would have said,

00:15:00.940 I'm sure her family should disown her and her friends should disown her. And if you were to,

00:15:04.460 like, get a job as a barista at Starbucks, that would be offensive to them. And I was wondering if

00:15:09.180 you could, not if you could, but if you have come up with an explanation for why, why is that the case?

00:15:16.700 Why is it so extreme, in a sense that I don't think anyone could, if you were to talk to them

00:15:21.500 one-on-one, explain how saying this thing, even if it was what they claimed, warrants this outcome?

00:15:29.580 So you've touched on one big aspect of what's wrong with cancel culture, which is that it's not

00:15:34.060 actually an administration of justice. It's not justice because there's nothing resembling due

00:15:39.100 process, there's no rules of evidence, there's no right to a defense or presumption of innocence,

00:15:44.380 or all of these things that we would associate with. Or to face your accuser.

00:15:48.060 Or to face your accuser, right? I had an anonymous accuser and I was further publicly

00:15:53.900 shamed for identifying him. I now have a restraining order against him. My case led to

00:15:59.180 the recognition of a new tort of civil harassment in Alberta. That was the person accusing me,

00:16:05.260 who was trumpeted as a hero in the media. So that's the deeper problem, is that cancel culture

00:16:11.420 reflects a complete failure of clear moral reasoning. If you start to think that sort of

00:16:17.740 quasi-criminal harassment is okay and defensible and good, if their target is someone who has an

00:16:25.900 opinion you disagree with, then you are morally, like you're, it's not that you're morally,

00:16:31.020 you're morally and intellectually bankrupt, if you think that. So it's that the crimes that they

00:16:36.460 identify don't make any sense. You never see people being cancelled for actual criminal acts,

00:16:41.740 you see people being cancelled for often extremely ambiguous violations of emergent social norms,

00:16:47.980 or social norms that a small minority wants to see sort of in ascendancy. So I think that's

00:16:57.180 that's the deeper problem, is that having an opinion or observing a fact or asking a question in good

00:17:04.940 faith is just not really a transgression that merits this. But on the other side, the people who engage

00:17:13.020 in cancel culture, I talked earlier about how it's sort of, it celebrates false virtues at the expense of

00:17:20.220 the real ones. What I mean is that cancel culture aims to snuff out loyalty, charity, forgiveness,

00:17:29.340 a commitment to truth, a slowness to judge, you know, friendship, solidarity, all of these kinds

00:17:36.460 of virtues are suffocated in the climate created by cancel culture. And the fake sort of performative

00:17:42.700 virtues are outrage, you know, a quickness to judge, to believe the worst of other people, to listen to

00:17:48.620 slander, to make sure that that person is injured permanently. So that's, I think, the real problem 0.98

00:17:56.380 with this phenomenon. And it leads to a complete breakdown. You were talking earlier on your show

00:18:00.540 about the long effects of COVID. It destroys social trust and solidarity, and sort of social comedy,

00:18:05.980 and cancel culture has the same effect. There is obviously this cultural and social dimension to

00:18:12.540 your story. And there's also a media story. And I know there's a lawsuit underway that you've waged

00:18:18.380 that touches on this. But to further the discussion of just the lack of proportionality, it wasn't

00:18:24.460 enough that, you know, these allegations had you dethroned from your spot as a candidate and prospective

00:18:29.900 MLA. But the de-platforming continued long after that. Anytime you popped up to tell your story,

00:18:36.300 like on Danielle Smith's show with me, even that was seen as offensive to the mob for you to have the

00:18:41.580 rights, even after you've already paid the price, to discuss it.

00:18:45.660 Yeah. So one of the, this is a plot point in the documentary, but I, the first public interview I

00:18:52.860 did was on now Premier Daniel Smith's show. And the sort of NDP acolytes, Progress Alberta, which was

00:19:01.420 basically a sort of third party advertiser or PAC for the NDP, they put out a petition saying she should

00:19:06.780 be driven off the air, she needs to apologize, or, you know, they're going to go after their 1.00

00:19:10.780 advertisers. Former Calgary Mayor Nahid Nenshi was, apparently was agreeing with the premise of

00:19:16.780 this petition, telling reporters that they should boycott her show. And then the person who was behind

00:19:22.460 the accusations against me also threatened legal action against them, Karim Devraj. And eventually

00:19:27.420 they capitulated, chorus took down the interview from all their platforms, and something very similar

00:19:31.660 happened to you. Yep. That's your cue to elaborate? Well, I don't, to be honest, I don't know what

00:19:40.380 more I can say on that. I mean, it was, it was very difficult for me, because when you and I did that

00:19:46.380 interview, I think it was almost an hour in length. It was very difficult to do for me as well, because I

00:19:52.540 had gone through my own experience, not as national as yours was in 2018. And there was a bit of a

00:19:58.620 catharsis in that conversation. And then to have that sort of inner interview, and not just, you know,

00:20:05.020 sort of threatened with legal action, but then even when you re uploaded it on your own platform,

00:20:09.740 that sort of continued of, you know, I was sort of asked, why, why are you letting her do it? I was

00:20:14.060 like, I had nothing to do with it. But it's, it's, it struck me as just so profound, it goes back to what

00:20:22.220 you said about the lack of justice in this, that, you know, even someone being able to defend themselves

00:20:27.420 or, or even not even defend, because the damage had been done. But to put on record,

00:20:31.900 their side of the story was something that was

00:20:36.140 continually taken away. And it's no, it, it, I don't have words for it. It's terrible.

00:20:43.980 Yes, it is.

00:20:46.140 And I guess my question to you would be, how much of that, when you had people disowning you,

00:20:52.540 when you had media that kind of was doing what we just described, how much of that was from people

00:20:58.220 that, in your view, knew it was all nonsense, and went along with it versus people that actually

00:21:04.220 believed maybe there was a kernel of truth to it?

00:21:07.500 Yeah, the difference between the expression, the public versus the private opinions that people

00:21:13.340 expressed was very stark. Cancel culture is, it's a preference falsification machine.

00:21:20.860 Because when you see all these people on Twitter sort of saying terrible things about you,

00:21:25.020 attack anyone who dares to defend you, or even sort of withhold judgment about you,

00:21:31.660 it creates a climate of terror that, that leads people to believe, well, it's not safe to support

00:21:36.220 this person. Now, that's a false appearance, because Twitter isn't representative of real life,

00:21:40.860 media is not representative of real life. In real life, people were, for the most part,

00:21:46.620 exceedingly generous, kind, I still get people to this day who will come up to me and say sorry

00:21:52.700 that for what happened to me. And it was the complete opposite in the sort of online and public

00:21:59.180 realm, people felt that they could not do this. So, you know, the one one of the journalists who tried

00:22:04.300 writing a kind of investigative feature story about what what had actually happened here, he found it was

00:22:09.980 very, very challenging to get people willing to go on the record, that they would privately say,

00:22:15.820 you know, what an injustice, this is so terrible. And they couldn't say so publicly. So, you know,

00:22:21.820 you sort of, you know, and speaking of like, where's the kind of the moral, you know, the damage,

00:22:27.980 I expect the NDP to behave the way they behave, right? In a way, and there's an I have legal recourse

00:22:38.060 there. So I've, I've launched a $7 million defamation suit against the CBC, the Toronto Star,

00:22:42.380 the NDP, Progress Alberta, all the all the others, where there's no recourse, and where there's no

00:22:47.980 comprehension is the betrayal of friends. And I don't know if you've had analogous experiences,

00:22:53.900 but betrayal is one of the strangest forms of suffering, because it's one that can really turn

00:22:58.860 into an internal affliction, because it remains incomprehensible. You can never ask people,

00:23:05.100 why did you abandon me in my hour of need, right? So that's, that's actually the one that kind of

00:23:11.180 cuts deeper. Yeah, and it also, I mean, for in my case, it, I was fortunate that it didn't happen

00:23:17.660 hugely. The bigger issue was people that were the quiet friends, but you know, they're only quiet friends.

00:23:22.940 And the challenge that I experienced was that the way that I could sort of reconcile

00:23:28.940 what was happening was that, well, everyone who knows me knows it's nonsense. So when someone who

00:23:33.900 does know you doesn't behave the way most of the people who know you are, it does force you to sort

00:23:38.540 of question, wait, maybe, and it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, and you start to

00:23:42.620 internalize some of what other people are saying. And just to be more precise on the media side of

00:23:47.260 things, I'll say, and I'm not proud of this by any stretch, but litigation, and the threat of

00:23:52.300 litigation are very powerful forces. I mean, when a company be at True North or Chorus is served with,

00:23:58.300 with a legal notice, I mean, it very much triggers that political impulse of well, you know, making it

00:24:03.980 go away, because not everyone has the capacity or the bandwidth or the funds to make everything the

00:24:09.740 hill to die on. So you've actually turned around and have used this process to seek justice. And

00:24:16.540 I'm wondering if you were optimistic that that would work?

00:24:18.700 With the litigation? Yeah. So I mean, for context, you and Chorus and one other podcast were served

00:24:29.740 with legal notice from Jivraj. Other podcasters were threatened with legal action. He never pursued

00:24:34.300 any of that. It's a bluff, because everything that I've said was true. And he knows that.

00:24:40.380 But, you know, if you're a small outlet, that's a potent threat. But I'm now

00:24:47.980 two years into discovery against some of the nation's biggest media outlets. And

00:24:53.500 obviously, I can't say too much about that. I don't want to breach the implied undertaking rule. But

00:25:00.380 I am more optimistic now having learned what I've learned than I was when I started this process.

00:25:05.020 But it is a long process. And it's very costly. And you know, that's kind of one of the perverse

00:25:08.620 ironies of being cancelled is, if you're defamed in such a way that makes it difficult to earn a

00:25:13.020 livelihood, it may take a decade and a half million dollars to use litigation to try to seek redress

00:25:21.020 for that. So that's challenging. But like I said, I'm optimistic that it's a meritorious case.

00:25:26.940 We have a clip from the documentary. I want to show people and then we'll

00:25:32.140 we'll wrap things up in a moment. But people can take a look at that right now.

00:25:34.940 Controversy surrounding a United Conservative Party candidate has caused her to step down.

00:25:40.300 Yes, Kaylin Ford has resigned as a UCP candidate in the riding of Calgary Mountain View after

00:25:46.620 a report claiming she echoed white nationalist rhetoric. What was shared was her private messages.

00:25:52.300 She was engaged in a Facebook chat with somebody. The accusation was that she had said something

00:25:59.100 in a private conversation that had echoed the words of white supremacists.

00:26:04.300 Kaylin Ford says those Facebook messages were taken out of context.

00:26:08.300 The statement did not have one word of contrition, apology or backing down from those statements.

00:26:13.820 The NDP has now started running attack ads framing the United Conservative Party as intolerant.

00:26:19.820 I was utterly shocked to hear of the comments that that candidate who was of course a star candidate for

00:26:27.100 the UCP made.

00:26:29.980 That is a bit of When the Mob Came featuring and produced by Kaylin Ford. It comes out tonight.

00:26:37.740 Congratulations on this. I know this has obviously been four years of your life now.

00:26:42.220 And as we've discussed, the story is still unfolding in some ways.

00:26:45.900 But I'm glad you're standing up and talking about this, Kaylin.

00:26:48.860 Thanks for coming on today.

00:26:49.900 Thank you, Andrew.

00:26:50.700 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:26:53.020 Support the program by donating to True North at www.tnc.news.

00:26:58.700 Thank you.

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Juno News - May 07, 2023

Resisting the mob (feat. Caylan Ford)

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