Juno News - January 05, 2026


Same old Liberals on environmental policy？


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Chris Simms and Dan McTague discuss the ban on the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles in Canada, and why you should not be told what kind of car you should buy. They also talk about a new program that could help you get started in politics.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to The Fighter with Chris Simms. I am Chris Simms. I'm the Alberta Director for the
00:00:09.560 Canadian Taxpayers Federation. We're always fighting for lower taxes, less waste, and more
00:00:13.740 accountable government. We've got a great show for you. First off, if you haven't done so yet,
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00:00:23.560 And most importantly, it's the Christmas time and holy day season, holiday season right now.
00:00:28.860 And I wanted to thank you for making us a part of your day. If you're feeling alone,
00:00:35.080 you're not alone. We're right here with you. Thanks for being here with us. All right. We've
00:00:39.760 got a great show for you because, of course, the federal government is still kind of sort of
00:00:45.040 thinking about rolling along with its ban on the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles, what I would
00:00:52.580 otherwise call normal cars and trucks. Okay. This is wrong. Okay. Because it is a crazy waste of money.
00:01:00.800 Like we cannot afford this. Canada has un-money. We do not have the infrastructure for this. We do not
00:01:07.720 have the charging stations for this. We can't afford this. Also, the subsidies that our levels of
00:01:13.820 governments were handing out to these vehicle manufacturers to make these battery-powered
00:01:19.280 cars. Gross. Crazy waste of money. And also, the government shouldn't be telling you what kind
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00:03:19.760 Okay. Joining me now is Dan McTague. He is with Canadians for Affordable Energy. Dan is the guy I go to
00:03:26.860 when we are in the trenches for things like, how much is the second carbon tax costing us? Can you
00:03:32.460 do your guru work? How much is gas going to be tomorrow? He's usually pretty good at that too.
00:03:38.080 And he has been a fighter on fighting the so-called EV mandate, which is a ban on the sale of regular
00:03:46.160 cars and trucks in Canada. Dan, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:03:50.600 Chris, it's great to be here. Thanks very much for the introduction as well. Wow. Wonderful time.
00:03:54.920 It really is. It's time to celebrate. In all seriousness, it's really special. I'm glad to
00:03:59.580 be able to see you over the Christmas season. So, thank you so much.
00:04:02.860 Good to be here with your viewers as well. And those who are left alone, we're definitely
00:04:07.620 thinking about them and they're here with us. You're right. Absolutely right. Okay. We've had
00:04:12.160 some good news, I think. We're seeing companies now backing away from this whole EV mandate thing
00:04:19.200 with the production of battery-powered vehicles. Again, if people choose to use their own money to buy
00:04:24.800 such things, or if a company of its own free will wants to make and sell them at a profit,
00:04:29.740 that's their business. My issue is this crazy government involvement and how much it's really
00:04:35.140 going to cost us. Where are we right now with this whole EV mandate thing? Carney delayed it by a year,
00:04:42.540 but what is that doing practically here?
00:04:44.500 Well, he spent some time saying we do a review on this and all comments had to be in by the early
00:04:50.940 part of November. And we had an opportunity to say, well, hey, yes, suspended, but it isn't gone.
00:04:57.300 It doesn't take effect in two weeks on January 1st, where 20% of all vehicles that are sold
00:05:04.220 on any given car lot had to be EVs. That's been held off for 365 more days. But it's not clear at this
00:05:11.540 point what he plans to do. This is a Liberal Party and a Prime Minister and a leader who is very heavily
00:05:18.920 invested in net zero. And of course, the many points from that policy, including carbon taxes,
00:05:28.460 including emissions caps, including blocking pipelines, including, of course, electric vehicle
00:05:34.760 mandate, basically forcing you into a vehicle, whether you like it or not. Otherwise, don't drive
00:05:40.120 kind of attitude. And it appears that the biggest conflict isn't so much with Canadians who are
00:05:45.340 walking away from these things, especially since they can't mooch a few bucks from the government to
00:05:49.140 buy them. The conflict is in the Liberal Party. These people are still thinks it's 2015 and that we can
00:05:54.580 somehow reinvent the automotive sector at a time in which we've lost tens of thousands of jobs and
00:06:01.340 billions of dollars in borrowed money pursuing batteries and plants that no one wants to buy.
00:06:07.880 Reality, Chris, you and I, you know, eight, ten years ago talked about this, but reality is starting
00:06:12.100 to bite hard. The wokesters out there who thought this was a cool way to proceed. Folks like me who had
00:06:18.800 spent not only a lot of time in the centre of government and in politics, but worked in the
00:06:24.480 public relations sector of one of the largest companies in Canada, Toyota Canada. I realised how
00:06:28.360 ridiculously naive it was to suggest that we could somehow wave a magic wand and get everybody to
00:06:34.320 drive what I said respectfully were over-glorified golf carts operating on batteries, which, like my
00:06:43.200 little cell phone here in the middle of December, January and February, doesn't work very well when you leave
00:06:48.280 them up for a couple of hours in the cold climate. It really is.
00:06:52.160 You know, I think you and I first came back in the day when I was working on Parliament Hill. I was a producer for Mike Duffy
00:06:58.120 Live, which was the daily show there for the Bell Network at CTV. And we used to get you on as a guest because you were a straight shooter.
00:07:05.160 You were with the Liberal Party then. You were a member of the party. You were sounding the alarm bells, to your credit,
00:07:11.040 whenever we would have these big global summits and these up with people things and we'd have our politicians jet, I will
00:07:18.040 point out, burning jet fuel. And then they would start dictating what we can and can't do. And it was even then we were
00:07:26.040 hearing rumblings about carbon taxes and rumblings about forcing people to switch, switch, such a silly
00:07:34.680 little word, right? Switch over to battery powered vehicles. Again, if they invented dilithium crystals
00:07:40.360 tomorrow and we were all able to do so economically and of our free will, like, give her. That's great. I want
00:07:46.360 affordable energy, as your great backdrop says. But it just was not working. The rubber was not hitting the road. What do you
00:07:52.920 think it was that finally made these companies say, you know what, this isn't worth it for us? Is it just
00:07:58.520 that they're taking a bath on all these losses? I'm older enough to remember and had worked with and
00:08:05.480 worked in the campaign in 1979 where the candidate on the other side was this guy. Oh my goodness,
00:08:11.240 that's going back. Granddaddy of the first Brazil conference in Canada had to do and we had to go buy
00:08:17.000 billions of acres of land in Brazil, rainforest in Brazil, a guy who ran Petro-Canada. We have been
00:08:26.360 trying to find ways to minimize and to control the public in terms of how they behave and what they
00:08:33.400 can use and how they can improve their standard of living. And the plan and the plot has been around
00:08:39.000 for a long, long time. I mean, I'm only giving something that goes back to the late 1970s, so 40,
00:08:44.440 40, 50 years. But even before that, Club of Rome and things like that, we know that there's a group
00:08:49.160 of people out there of which people like Mark Carney are extraordinarily well associated with, who've
00:08:56.040 tried to find cute, trendy ways to throttle the civilization by basically saying, you will conform
00:09:03.320 and you will do what we want and we want you to drive these things and we want you to eat these things
00:09:08.360 and we want you to be taxed so that you don't have these things. The reality is that this kind
00:09:14.280 of restriction of freedom of improvement of the human condition is really what they're really
00:09:20.200 negative about. And it doesn't, it's not lost anybody that while making recommendations to how
00:09:26.120 other people can live, they've done very well and ingratiated themselves with tax money by trying to
00:09:31.320 bully people or maybe intimidate people or make people feel guilty about what's happened. The
00:09:37.640 reality has now become very clear in 2025 that grifters and other elitists have really no measure
00:09:46.520 or no truck when it comes to ordaining how society should proceed. What they have done, however, is
00:09:52.760 created a, you know, a stunting of the growth of our economy and made a lot of people think twice about
00:09:58.760 the future of this country over the past several years in the way I've never seen, not certainly
00:10:03.160 since the Great Depression. Amen. If we can look at some of the details here and the money, say if
00:10:08.520 if they suddenly waved a magic wand and all of a sudden the vehicles we have parked in our driveways
00:10:13.880 and garages were no longer internal combustion engines, bibbidi-bobbidi-boo, they're now a battery
00:10:19.240 powered vehicle. The energy required for this was shocking. I did the very rough math and like bare bones,
00:10:27.560 Dan, bare bones. We would need like 13 new can-do nuclear reactors just for the current vehicle 0.98
00:10:35.400 fleet that's not even touching like new vehicles or trucks. I'm not even talking about long-haul
00:10:41.640 trucking, talking about privately owned passenger vehicles. And we have unmoney. Each one of those can-do
00:10:48.760 nuclear reactors costs around 13 billion dollars to build and at least 10 years. And we're not
00:10:56.840 building a whole lot of stuff here in Canada. So we just did not have the money or the juice to do this,
00:11:03.960 even if we wanted to. Now, shameless plug, I'm just so passionate about this. This is our new t-shirt
00:11:10.040 with the Taxpayers Federation to stop the gas and diesel vehicle ban. To me, this is a huge waste of
00:11:16.680 money and it's also just a huge encroachment by government on the lives of people. You know,
00:11:23.400 everybody's individual life is so complicated that it's sometimes a big task for just them to manage it.
00:11:30.760 The notion that some bureaucrat in Ottawa can dictate something as simple as how you get around
00:11:37.720 and how your heater works in your car is just so intrusive. It drives me crazy. Where do you see
00:11:45.240 this going? Like, is a year enough delay? Is that an indicator that this idea is dead? Or is he just
00:11:52.920 gonna try to figure out a way to make this become a reality? Because I can't get this book out of my
00:11:57.400 head, Dan. I read Mark Carney's book when he was the UN Special Envoy on climate blah blah blah, okay?
00:12:04.520 All through this book. It's how much he loves types of carbon taxes and he often refers to things like,
00:12:12.120 I'm paraphrasing, natural gas-powered power plants and vehicles, like normal gasoline and diesel-powered
00:12:19.240 vehicles. He calls them stranded assets in the future over and over again. So where do you see
00:12:27.000 this going? Is this a year-long delay meaning it's going to be gone?
00:12:30.200 I see Mark Carney having almost been charged under US antitrust legislation. He was coming
00:12:37.720 awfully close. Had he not become the leader of the Liberal Party, he would have been nailed badly in
00:12:42.360 the same way the Rockefellers were a hundred years ago and other groups that have tried to game the
00:12:47.240 system. Mark Carney was trying to basically remove capital from getting to oil and gas producers.
00:12:52.520 That's fine. And in trendy Canada, we might accept that because we can all go, I suppose,
00:12:57.240 eat bugs and maybe live off of the state of nature living in, you know, with animal skins and eating
00:13:03.000 acorns. Taxpayer-funded crickets, Dan. Taxpayer-funded crickets. Exactly.
00:13:06.920 Yes, sorry. Well, I mean, seriously. No, that's a real thing. Go for it.
00:13:10.040 It was, yeah. And we wound up paying for it. But in the United States, they do something called triple
00:13:14.200 damages. So the American Petroleum Institute would have turned around and said, you know,
00:13:18.120 our industry is worth two trillion bucks a year. You, Mr. Carney, and your phonies run by Michael
00:13:23.960 Bloomberg and the rest of the United States, the United Nations, would have been subject to a six
00:13:29.880 trillion dollar hit. So you know what? I hate your expression. He short arsed it out of there. He knew
00:13:34.920 full well what was going to happen. So he's decided he's had to back off. He's had to back off because
00:13:39.640 reality is very, very simple. People can't afford this anymore. This is nonsense. It was nonsense to
00:13:45.240 begin with. To suggest a molecule like CO2 is somehow crippling the world and is a pollutant
00:13:50.760 itself is fundamentally, scientifically, and economically dishonest. And what has been now
00:13:57.080 very clear is that Mark Carney's had to beat a path on almost every single front, beat a return to where
00:14:03.560 we used to be 10 to 15 years ago. Whether he's the man to do it or not is deliciously ironic. But the
00:14:09.400 reality for many Canadians is that, and look, just look, Chris, at the number of people who are now
00:14:14.200 saying, yeah, we do want pipelines, it doesn't matter where, but let's damn well build these things. 1.00
00:14:18.040 10 years ago, oh no, we're worried about climate change and all sorts of other nonsense.
00:14:23.640 Canada has changed, reality has changed. Mark Carney had better change, but it may not be enough
00:14:27.480 because I don't think anybody can trust him, given the book that you've just shown. It looks like he's
00:14:32.200 basically a snake in a suit trying to do indirectly that which he has been able to do directly and
00:14:38.360 trying to be the man about change. And of course, that's not going to happen in a country like now,
00:14:43.480 where every net zero policy they've advanced is now in complete retreat. Whether it's not,
00:14:48.280 it's only a matter of time, like the automotive EV mandates, I think, like the climate policies on
00:14:54.600 carbon taxes, like so many other policies, they're about to be put on the 30 yard line,
00:15:00.280 and punted right through the end zone. 0.98
00:15:02.280 I want to dig into that before we go, because I actually haven't asked you,
00:15:06.520 so I don't know how you're going to answer this question. What you think about this memorandum of
00:15:12.200 understanding that Prime Minister Mark Carney flew out here to Cal to Calgary and signed with
00:15:17.720 my premier, Alberta premier, Danielle Smith. Now, in defense of the premier, she really wants pipelines. 1.00
00:15:24.440 She wants to get rid of the production cap. She wants to get rid of the green energy restriction 0.73
00:15:28.760 on our power plants. And I think she wants that stuff so hard that she kind of sat down with
00:15:36.920 Carney. I'll put it that way. And Carney came out immediately after signing that MOU and gloated to
00:15:43.960 the media saying his industrial carbon tax here in Alberta is now going to be six times higher.
00:15:52.600 I talked to Jack Mintz about this. And he was warning two things. He was warning that it is
00:15:59.480 going to cost people more money in the end. It is not just businesses that are going to magically eat
00:16:03.960 this cost. And he said, as an economist, that it could add around $10 US per barrel to the production
00:16:12.120 cost of oil here in Alberta. Now, that's a bit out of my wheelhouse. Like, and I haven't asked you,
00:16:18.120 what do you think about this MOU? Well, I think the MOU is sort of a line in the sand. I mean,
00:16:24.920 I think Alberta has bent over absolutely backwards to try to accommodate 10 years of willingness by
00:16:32.120 Ottawa to shut down our oil and gas sector and effectively shut down 15 to 20% of the country's
00:16:37.880 GDP. How's that going, by the way, when it comes to our debt and deficit? But that aside, Jack Mintz is
00:16:43.560 correct. One of the first observations I made was that $130 a tonne going from 95 as a carbon,
00:16:52.360 industrial carbon tax would add $10.35 to the barrel of Canadian oil. So if it's selling at 45,
00:16:58.120 which makes it very attractive compared to WTI, which is West Texas Intermediate, the US benchmark
00:17:03.640 which is at 57, you now see almost parity. Then the cost of sequestration, they see carbon capture
00:17:10.520 and underground storage. That could add another $3 to $4 a barrel. Not to mention the many
00:17:17.720 restrictions and guidelines that have been put in place that could make Canadian barrels of oil
00:17:22.760 that much more expensive. Although I make the argument that, yeah, it's heavier oil. The world
00:17:27.720 wants it. Why? You can't produce diesel with US tight light shale gas. You cannot. And people say,
00:17:33.320 well, the United States is producing laws. And Trump can talk about, he doesn't need oil baloney.
00:17:37.800 You don't have military, you don't have diesel, you don't have agriculture, you don't have mining.
00:17:43.640 Diesel is a global workforce. And the only stuff that produces well is a Canadian heavy oil or
00:17:48.760 equivalent Venezuelan oil, or what you might be able to get in other parts of the world,
00:17:52.840 now thus, or Mexico, all risky, all not as good. But to my concern, the MOU, I think is
00:17:58.760 if there's no taker between now and July 1st, the deal is over. And that will be extraordinary
00:18:07.800 disappointment for the Indigenous groups that have signed on to this. And for the second time,
00:18:11.720 we'll be left empty handed by a handful of green miscreants, usually funded by the Rockefellers, 0.65
00:18:20.120 Tides and other organizations out of the United States to try to block it. I think we have to give
00:18:24.680 rid of Bill C-49, the anti-tanker ban. I mean, if that's not gone, I don't know how you're going
00:18:28.680 to be able to get it from the terminal all the way out to the various Asian Pacific markets that
00:18:34.440 want Canadian oil. And by the way, have the heavy capacity, have the ability to upgrade our oil,
00:18:41.720 whether that's Korea, whether that's Japan, whether it's Indonesia, they want our oil. There's no doubt
00:18:46.200 they want it. But if Canada is going to be Pollyannish about this, and we're going to have
00:18:49.960 obstacles like we saw BC do last election, last time with the TMX costing us $50 billion.
00:18:55.720 By the way, I keep saying to myself, British Columbia owes Canada $50 billion for all their,
00:19:00.200 but we'll use every tool in the toolbox to block something that had already been given the
00:19:04.520 imperature of approval by the Canadian government. Now, of course, the argument is that they may
00:19:08.680 actually go through the United States, that would be deliciously ironic in light of what nutrient had
00:19:12.520 to do with respects to potash. If our future is heavily tied to getting things done because we can get
00:19:17.960 the United States, I can only imagine this will only add to greater tensions within the Federation
00:19:24.440 as to why the hell we want to keep staying within an arrangement that punishes Alberta, 0.79
00:19:29.080 that punishes our resource sector, while at the same time providing tons of grift for other 0.94
00:19:33.640 provinces through equalization who are taking advantage of this country.
00:19:36.200 Yep. I just saw the bill and billions of dollars going east here from the productive west again,
00:19:41.640 and not so much as a thank you very much. Did you, sorry, did you just say that TMX costs us
00:19:48.280 $50 billion now? Last I looked, it was like $37. What?
00:19:51.960 No. $6 billion to buy it, $44 to build it. So it's not, I mean, they haven't done the complete
00:19:57.800 accounting for it. Some people are saying $32, and then it was $44. It's closer to $50 billion is what it
00:20:04.120 costs Canadians and the taxpayer to fork over because we decided we're going to be cute and trendy and let
00:20:10.600 every Tom, Dick and Harry whack job organization go out there and assail it. And that was the
00:20:15.240 Horgan government. It's Attorney General David E.B. using every tool in the toolbox. Chris,
00:20:20.280 you and I were right front and center with that. I fought every one of these guys personally on
00:20:24.280 every media at the time. I was right there in Burnaby. Yep. Oh my gosh. Exactly. And I took no,
00:20:28.680 no nonsense from these guys. A couple of stations up in Kelowna, I actually went head to head with
00:20:33.000 Horgan. I beat the snot out of him and God rest his soul. But I mean, he was wrong and that was wrong to do
00:20:38.760 what they did was to basically deny Canadian energy exports, especially when the federal government had
00:20:44.680 given its signature of approval. No wonder Kinder Morgan said, we're going to sue your backside 0.99
00:20:50.360 and you are going to lose. Thank God Bill Morneau was still somewhat involved in the private sector
00:20:55.640 and realized it was a slam dunk they were going to lose, gave the $6 billion, bought out Kinder Morgan,
00:21:00.360 and to build this project with all the nonsensical red tape and, you know, every kind of fish or every
00:21:07.000 kind of nesting bird having been taken into consideration. It wound up costing Canadians
00:21:11.560 $50 billion. That's money out of your pocket. That's money that doesn't go to hospitals. That
00:21:16.680 money doesn't go to our pensions. That's money that doesn't go back into our infrastructure
00:21:20.440 because a couple of green fanatics from south of the border using our charitable status and our
00:21:25.720 goodwill in this country have really jammed the nation. And by the way, send a message to the rest of
00:21:30.360 the world. This is too risky a place to put any money. No wonder it takes 138 pennies to buy a US dollar.
00:21:35.480 You have compromised by allowing green fanatics and the left of the liberal party and its friends in 0.99
00:21:41.000 the, uh, the, the, the block and the, uh, the green, the NDP to destroy the financial credibility
00:21:48.440 and fiscal viability of this country. And that's why, why it's going to happen at MOU. I think the
00:21:53.160 damage is already done. The damn people on the, on the left and BC know exactly how much damage 0.83
00:21:57.960 they've done because no one wants to invest in Canada. It's too risky a place to do business.
00:22:01.480 Kinder Morgan sent that message to us six years ago. I was, lastly, I was in the Fraser Valley
00:22:06.200 when it was being twinned and I, I spoke to people literally out loud with my face, whose job it was
00:22:11.160 to like count snails. Like I'm not joking. Um, and it's right for folks who don't know, okay.
00:22:17.160 Who have never seen a pipeline. This area was already owned by Kinder Morgan. And then now
00:22:22.200 Trans Mountain, ergo the Canadian government. It's like a few feet wide. It's a clearing in the woods.
00:22:28.280 And then it gets grassed over. There's literally deer eating wildflowers on top of it. Like it's
00:22:33.560 this tiny little strip of land where they're just twinning the pipeline. And by the way,
00:22:38.920 they had crazy amounts of jobs that were working on twinning that pipeline that by not having proper
00:22:44.360 pipeline capacity in Canada alone, we are losing out on like $13 billion just in the income taxes,
00:22:52.680 just the income taxes. It's not even the property taxes or the royalties. Lastly, Dan, I wanted to
00:22:57.960 leave on, try to be a hopeful note here. Um, so you say right now we have this deadline coming up
00:23:03.400 of July 1st. We have this MOU of we're waiting for a taker. We're waiting for a suitor to come
00:23:08.280 to the ball and invite us to dance. Okay. Can we do this if we get smart, knowledgeable, charismatic
00:23:18.120 people to go do a charm offensive in Washington DC with all the right human beings while say, I don't
00:23:25.320 know, signing a new trade deal with our biggest trading partner instead of getting into this ridiculous
00:23:31.880 mainstream media, government funded journalism fight about elbows being up. Like I'm so done with
00:23:38.120 this. Is there a chance that we could find some adults in the room, either in or out of government?
00:23:43.240 You mentioned Bill Morneau. Are there people in your world who could go get this money coming into Canada
00:23:51.480 in time? I'm more of the belief now that Canada and Alberta would, uh, would have a real
00:23:58.360 promising shot by simply saying, and we'll take the pipeline to the U S border. The U S U S takes 0.79
00:24:04.440 it down to, uh, Washington state where you have four or five refineries. And so that may not be great
00:24:09.960 in terms of the discount, but it would obviously mean that the, uh, the provincial, uh, the federal
00:24:14.600 government may not have to, uh, the governor of Alberta may not have to wait for all of these, uh, uh,
00:24:20.600 these, uh, naysayers and all of these people who present themselves as having some kind of
00:24:25.880 veto or block to this, uh, particularly important piece of, uh, of pipeline. Look,
00:24:31.800 every pipeline will equal 20, maybe even as much as $25 billion in economic activity to Canada
00:24:38.920 at a time in which we are suffering from a $78 billion deficit, $1.4 trillion.
00:24:44.600 Federally taxpayers federation has done all the work on this. Provinces have the same subsovereign debt
00:24:49.880 where we're approaching 2.5 trillion as a, uh, as a, as a ceiling, uh, they know that we have to now
00:24:55.720 start to inflate. We are beggars don't, can't be choosers. We've painted ourselves into a corner.
00:25:02.120 If we don't get Alberta's pipelines built economically, we are going to be in a position
00:25:07.320 that I don't think our country has ever seen since the early 1980s. It'll be in a form of
00:25:11.400 economic perdition on a basis that, uh, most Canadians will regret the fact that they allowed
00:25:16.680 these guys to make these kinds of decisions. So if you're going to step, step in the way of pipeline,
00:25:21.560 then understand you're stepping in the way of Canada's economic wellbeing in its future. The
00:25:26.200 interests of the many come before the interests of the selfish few who get very well paid to say no
00:25:31.160 to only things Canadian, because at the end of the day, we need to make sure Alberta prospers. We need
00:25:35.640 to make sure that our energy from Alberta makes it to global markets. Anybody standing in the way for
00:25:40.040 that? Where I'm prime minister, you'd be arrested and we put you in jail until such times as this
00:25:45.000 thing's finally finished and built. If you don't like that, go find another country.
00:25:48.520 We'll, we'll be able to make enough money on it. If we go through the States and we lose that
00:25:53.480 discount, like you were just talking about, and you combine what economist Jack Mintz is warning
00:25:57.880 about, I'm sorry to be a rain cloud. Would we still make enough money? Like, would that be worth it if
00:26:02.520 we went through Washington state? Well, $30 of barrels to break even for Canadian oil. Okay.
00:26:08.200 Um, you can sell it for 45, maybe even, uh, and this way you would, you could tell Ottawa to go, uh,
00:26:14.120 uh, go fly a kite when it comes to its ridiculous, uh, carbon taxes, uh, or any other industrial
00:26:19.160 carbon tax. Oh, there you go. That's right. Because you're not doing the MOU stuff.
00:26:22.760 Okay. There's no MOUs, nothing. Alberta can go it alone. And all they need is, I think you'd find a 0.88
00:26:28.120 far more willing, uh, uh, administration, whether that be, uh, the Trump administration or its future,
00:26:33.480 if it should be JD Vance, these things can be built in a very short period of time. But I think the,
00:26:38.040 uh, I'm actually happy it's July 1st, because when Canada says, no, I'm pretty sure the United States will say,
00:26:42.760 yes. And as I here in Ontario, watch my, the only engine of success in, uh, driving our manufacturing,
00:26:49.320 whether that's steel or it's many auto manufacturing continue to crumble. At least I will know one part
00:26:54.200 of the country is going to be doing very well because nimbly they've been able to get around
00:26:57.800 Ottawa and get around, uh, uh, the gatekeepers who, uh, pay themselves with your money in mind
00:27:03.400 to go around saying no to building Canada without oil and gas. This country is dead in the water.
00:27:08.680 And Alberta knows that if you can get a deal with the United States, it'll at least have enough to,
00:27:13.160 uh, to survive the sinking ship. Dan, I think it's time for you and I to take a road trip to
00:27:17.160 Montana and Washington state. Let's go do that. Let's do it. Just don't send me to the train station.
00:27:23.960 Oh yeah. Never. All right. Dan McTague, uh, so wonderful to speak with you. Thank you so much
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00:27:39.880 Chris, it's been my pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you and to all our viewers and
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