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00:00:00.000 Welcome to The Fighter with Chris Simms. I am Chris Simms. I'm the Alberta Director for the

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00:00:39.760 got a great show for you because, of course, the federal government is still kind of sort of

00:00:45.040 thinking about rolling along with its ban on the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles, what I would

00:00:52.580 otherwise call normal cars and trucks. Okay. This is wrong. Okay. Because it is a crazy waste of money.

00:01:00.800 Like we cannot afford this. Canada has un-money. We do not have the infrastructure for this. We do not

00:01:07.720 have the charging stations for this. We can't afford this. Also, the subsidies that our levels of

00:01:13.820 governments were handing out to these vehicle manufacturers to make these battery-powered

00:01:19.280 cars. Gross. Crazy waste of money. And also, the government shouldn't be telling you what kind

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00:03:19.760 Okay. Joining me now is Dan McTague. He is with Canadians for Affordable Energy. Dan is the guy I go to

00:03:26.860 when we are in the trenches for things like, how much is the second carbon tax costing us? Can you

00:03:32.460 do your guru work? How much is gas going to be tomorrow? He's usually pretty good at that too.

00:03:38.080 And he has been a fighter on fighting the so-called EV mandate, which is a ban on the sale of regular

00:03:46.160 cars and trucks in Canada. Dan, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:03:50.600 Chris, it's great to be here. Thanks very much for the introduction as well. Wow. Wonderful time.

00:03:54.920 It really is. It's time to celebrate. In all seriousness, it's really special. I'm glad to

00:03:59.580 be able to see you over the Christmas season. So, thank you so much.

00:04:02.860 Good to be here with your viewers as well. And those who are left alone, we're definitely

00:04:07.620 thinking about them and they're here with us. You're right. Absolutely right. Okay. We've had

00:04:12.160 some good news, I think. We're seeing companies now backing away from this whole EV mandate thing

00:04:19.200 with the production of battery-powered vehicles. Again, if people choose to use their own money to buy

00:04:24.800 such things, or if a company of its own free will wants to make and sell them at a profit,

00:04:29.740 that's their business. My issue is this crazy government involvement and how much it's really

00:04:35.140 going to cost us. Where are we right now with this whole EV mandate thing? Carney delayed it by a year,

00:04:42.540 but what is that doing practically here?

00:04:44.500 Well, he spent some time saying we do a review on this and all comments had to be in by the early

00:04:50.940 part of November. And we had an opportunity to say, well, hey, yes, suspended, but it isn't gone.

00:04:57.300 It doesn't take effect in two weeks on January 1st, where 20% of all vehicles that are sold

00:05:04.220 on any given car lot had to be EVs. That's been held off for 365 more days. But it's not clear at this

00:05:11.540 point what he plans to do. This is a Liberal Party and a Prime Minister and a leader who is very heavily

00:05:18.920 invested in net zero. And of course, the many points from that policy, including carbon taxes,

00:05:28.460 including emissions caps, including blocking pipelines, including, of course, electric vehicle

00:05:34.760 mandate, basically forcing you into a vehicle, whether you like it or not. Otherwise, don't drive

00:05:40.120 kind of attitude. And it appears that the biggest conflict isn't so much with Canadians who are

00:05:45.340 walking away from these things, especially since they can't mooch a few bucks from the government to

00:05:49.140 buy them. The conflict is in the Liberal Party. These people are still thinks it's 2015 and that we can

00:05:54.580 somehow reinvent the automotive sector at a time in which we've lost tens of thousands of jobs and

00:06:01.340 billions of dollars in borrowed money pursuing batteries and plants that no one wants to buy.

00:06:07.880 Reality, Chris, you and I, you know, eight, ten years ago talked about this, but reality is starting

00:06:12.100 to bite hard. The wokesters out there who thought this was a cool way to proceed. Folks like me who had

00:06:18.800 spent not only a lot of time in the centre of government and in politics, but worked in the

00:06:24.480 public relations sector of one of the largest companies in Canada, Toyota Canada. I realised how

00:06:28.360 ridiculously naive it was to suggest that we could somehow wave a magic wand and get everybody to

00:06:34.320 drive what I said respectfully were over-glorified golf carts operating on batteries, which, like my

00:06:43.200 little cell phone here in the middle of December, January and February, doesn't work very well when you leave

00:06:48.280 them up for a couple of hours in the cold climate. It really is.

00:06:52.160 You know, I think you and I first came back in the day when I was working on Parliament Hill. I was a producer for Mike Duffy

00:06:58.120 Live, which was the daily show there for the Bell Network at CTV. And we used to get you on as a guest because you were a straight shooter.

00:07:05.160 You were with the Liberal Party then. You were a member of the party. You were sounding the alarm bells, to your credit,

00:07:11.040 whenever we would have these big global summits and these up with people things and we'd have our politicians jet, I will

00:07:18.040 point out, burning jet fuel. And then they would start dictating what we can and can't do. And it was even then we were

00:07:26.040 hearing rumblings about carbon taxes and rumblings about forcing people to switch, switch, such a silly

00:07:34.680 little word, right? Switch over to battery powered vehicles. Again, if they invented dilithium crystals

00:07:40.360 tomorrow and we were all able to do so economically and of our free will, like, give her. That's great. I want

00:07:46.360 affordable energy, as your great backdrop says. But it just was not working. The rubber was not hitting the road. What do you

00:07:52.920 think it was that finally made these companies say, you know what, this isn't worth it for us? Is it just

00:07:58.520 that they're taking a bath on all these losses? I'm older enough to remember and had worked with and

00:08:05.480 worked in the campaign in 1979 where the candidate on the other side was this guy. Oh my goodness,

00:08:11.240 that's going back. Granddaddy of the first Brazil conference in Canada had to do and we had to go buy

00:08:17.000 billions of acres of land in Brazil, rainforest in Brazil, a guy who ran Petro-Canada. We have been

00:08:26.360 trying to find ways to minimize and to control the public in terms of how they behave and what they

00:08:33.400 can use and how they can improve their standard of living. And the plan and the plot has been around

00:08:39.000 for a long, long time. I mean, I'm only giving something that goes back to the late 1970s, so 40,

00:08:44.440 40, 50 years. But even before that, Club of Rome and things like that, we know that there's a group

00:08:49.160 of people out there of which people like Mark Carney are extraordinarily well associated with, who've

00:08:56.040 tried to find cute, trendy ways to throttle the civilization by basically saying, you will conform

00:09:03.320 and you will do what we want and we want you to drive these things and we want you to eat these things

00:09:08.360 and we want you to be taxed so that you don't have these things. The reality is that this kind

00:09:14.280 of restriction of freedom of improvement of the human condition is really what they're really

00:09:20.200 negative about. And it doesn't, it's not lost anybody that while making recommendations to how

00:09:26.120 other people can live, they've done very well and ingratiated themselves with tax money by trying to

00:09:31.320 bully people or maybe intimidate people or make people feel guilty about what's happened. The

00:09:37.640 reality has now become very clear in 2025 that grifters and other elitists have really no measure

00:09:46.520 or no truck when it comes to ordaining how society should proceed. What they have done, however, is

00:09:52.760 created a, you know, a stunting of the growth of our economy and made a lot of people think twice about

00:09:58.760 the future of this country over the past several years in the way I've never seen, not certainly

00:10:03.160 since the Great Depression. Amen. If we can look at some of the details here and the money, say if

00:10:08.520 if they suddenly waved a magic wand and all of a sudden the vehicles we have parked in our driveways

00:10:13.880 and garages were no longer internal combustion engines, bibbidi-bobbidi-boo, they're now a battery

00:10:19.240 powered vehicle. The energy required for this was shocking. I did the very rough math and like bare bones,

00:10:27.560 Dan, bare bones. We would need like 13 new can-do nuclear reactors just for the current vehicle

00:10:35.400 fleet that's not even touching like new vehicles or trucks. I'm not even talking about long-haul

00:10:41.640 trucking, talking about privately owned passenger vehicles. And we have unmoney. Each one of those can-do

00:10:48.760 nuclear reactors costs around 13 billion dollars to build and at least 10 years. And we're not

00:10:56.840 building a whole lot of stuff here in Canada. So we just did not have the money or the juice to do this,

00:11:03.960 even if we wanted to. Now, shameless plug, I'm just so passionate about this. This is our new t-shirt

00:11:10.040 with the Taxpayers Federation to stop the gas and diesel vehicle ban. To me, this is a huge waste of

00:11:16.680 money and it's also just a huge encroachment by government on the lives of people. You know,

00:11:23.400 everybody's individual life is so complicated that it's sometimes a big task for just them to manage it.

00:11:30.760 The notion that some bureaucrat in Ottawa can dictate something as simple as how you get around

00:11:37.720 and how your heater works in your car is just so intrusive. It drives me crazy. Where do you see

00:11:45.240 this going? Like, is a year enough delay? Is that an indicator that this idea is dead? Or is he just

00:11:52.920 gonna try to figure out a way to make this become a reality? Because I can't get this book out of my

00:11:57.400 head, Dan. I read Mark Carney's book when he was the UN Special Envoy on climate blah blah blah, okay?

00:12:04.520 All through this book. It's how much he loves types of carbon taxes and he often refers to things like,

00:12:12.120 I'm paraphrasing, natural gas-powered power plants and vehicles, like normal gasoline and diesel-powered

00:12:19.240 vehicles. He calls them stranded assets in the future over and over again. So where do you see

00:12:27.000 this going? Is this a year-long delay meaning it's going to be gone?

00:12:30.200 I see Mark Carney having almost been charged under US antitrust legislation. He was coming

00:12:37.720 awfully close. Had he not become the leader of the Liberal Party, he would have been nailed badly in

00:12:42.360 the same way the Rockefellers were a hundred years ago and other groups that have tried to game the

00:12:47.240 system. Mark Carney was trying to basically remove capital from getting to oil and gas producers.

00:12:52.520 That's fine. And in trendy Canada, we might accept that because we can all go, I suppose,

00:12:57.240 eat bugs and maybe live off of the state of nature living in, you know, with animal skins and eating

00:13:03.000 acorns. Taxpayer-funded crickets, Dan. Taxpayer-funded crickets. Exactly.

00:13:06.920 Yes, sorry. Well, I mean, seriously. No, that's a real thing. Go for it.

00:13:10.040 It was, yeah. And we wound up paying for it. But in the United States, they do something called triple

00:13:14.200 damages. So the American Petroleum Institute would have turned around and said, you know,

00:13:18.120 our industry is worth two trillion bucks a year. You, Mr. Carney, and your phonies run by Michael

00:13:23.960 Bloomberg and the rest of the United States, the United Nations, would have been subject to a six

00:13:29.880 trillion dollar hit. So you know what? I hate your expression. He short arsed it out of there. He knew

00:13:34.920 full well what was going to happen. So he's decided he's had to back off. He's had to back off because

00:13:39.640 reality is very, very simple. People can't afford this anymore. This is nonsense. It was nonsense to

00:13:45.240 begin with. To suggest a molecule like CO2 is somehow crippling the world and is a pollutant

00:13:50.760 itself is fundamentally, scientifically, and economically dishonest. And what has been now

00:13:57.080 very clear is that Mark Carney's had to beat a path on almost every single front, beat a return to where

00:14:03.560 we used to be 10 to 15 years ago. Whether he's the man to do it or not is deliciously ironic. But the

00:14:09.400 reality for many Canadians is that, and look, just look, Chris, at the number of people who are now

00:14:14.200 saying, yeah, we do want pipelines, it doesn't matter where, but let's damn well build these things.

00:14:18.040 10 years ago, oh no, we're worried about climate change and all sorts of other nonsense.

00:14:23.640 Canada has changed, reality has changed. Mark Carney had better change, but it may not be enough

00:14:27.480 because I don't think anybody can trust him, given the book that you've just shown. It looks like he's

00:14:32.200 basically a snake in a suit trying to do indirectly that which he has been able to do directly and

00:14:38.360 trying to be the man about change. And of course, that's not going to happen in a country like now,

00:14:43.480 where every net zero policy they've advanced is now in complete retreat. Whether it's not,

00:14:48.280 it's only a matter of time, like the automotive EV mandates, I think, like the climate policies on

00:14:54.600 carbon taxes, like so many other policies, they're about to be put on the 30 yard line,

00:15:00.280 and punted right through the end zone.

00:15:02.280 I want to dig into that before we go, because I actually haven't asked you,

00:15:06.520 so I don't know how you're going to answer this question. What you think about this memorandum of

00:15:12.200 understanding that Prime Minister Mark Carney flew out here to Cal to Calgary and signed with

00:15:17.720 my premier, Alberta premier, Danielle Smith. Now, in defense of the premier, she really wants pipelines.

00:15:24.440 She wants to get rid of the production cap. She wants to get rid of the green energy restriction

00:15:28.760 on our power plants. And I think she wants that stuff so hard that she kind of sat down with

00:15:36.920 Carney. I'll put it that way. And Carney came out immediately after signing that MOU and gloated to

00:15:43.960 the media saying his industrial carbon tax here in Alberta is now going to be six times higher.

00:15:52.600 I talked to Jack Mintz about this. And he was warning two things. He was warning that it is

00:15:59.480 going to cost people more money in the end. It is not just businesses that are going to magically eat

00:16:03.960 this cost. And he said, as an economist, that it could add around $10 US per barrel to the production

00:16:12.120 cost of oil here in Alberta. Now, that's a bit out of my wheelhouse. Like, and I haven't asked you,

00:16:18.120 what do you think about this MOU? Well, I think the MOU is sort of a line in the sand. I mean,

00:16:24.920 I think Alberta has bent over absolutely backwards to try to accommodate 10 years of willingness by

00:16:32.120 Ottawa to shut down our oil and gas sector and effectively shut down 15 to 20% of the country's

00:16:37.880 GDP. How's that going, by the way, when it comes to our debt and deficit? But that aside, Jack Mintz is

00:16:43.560 correct. One of the first observations I made was that $130 a tonne going from 95 as a carbon,

00:16:52.360 industrial carbon tax would add $10.35 to the barrel of Canadian oil. So if it's selling at 45,

00:16:58.120 which makes it very attractive compared to WTI, which is West Texas Intermediate, the US benchmark

00:17:03.640 which is at 57, you now see almost parity. Then the cost of sequestration, they see carbon capture

00:17:10.520 and underground storage. That could add another $3 to $4 a barrel. Not to mention the many

00:17:17.720 restrictions and guidelines that have been put in place that could make Canadian barrels of oil

00:17:22.760 that much more expensive. Although I make the argument that, yeah, it's heavier oil. The world

00:17:27.720 wants it. Why? You can't produce diesel with US tight light shale gas. You cannot. And people say,

00:17:33.320 well, the United States is producing laws. And Trump can talk about, he doesn't need oil baloney.

00:17:37.800 You don't have military, you don't have diesel, you don't have agriculture, you don't have mining.

00:17:43.640 Diesel is a global workforce. And the only stuff that produces well is a Canadian heavy oil or

00:17:48.760 equivalent Venezuelan oil, or what you might be able to get in other parts of the world,

00:17:52.840 now thus, or Mexico, all risky, all not as good. But to my concern, the MOU, I think is

00:17:58.760 if there's no taker between now and July 1st, the deal is over. And that will be extraordinary

00:18:07.800 disappointment for the Indigenous groups that have signed on to this. And for the second time,

00:18:11.720 we'll be left empty handed by a handful of green miscreants, usually funded by the Rockefellers,

00:18:20.120 Tides and other organizations out of the United States to try to block it. I think we have to give

00:18:24.680 rid of Bill C-49, the anti-tanker ban. I mean, if that's not gone, I don't know how you're going

00:18:28.680 to be able to get it from the terminal all the way out to the various Asian Pacific markets that

00:18:34.440 want Canadian oil. And by the way, have the heavy capacity, have the ability to upgrade our oil,

00:18:41.720 whether that's Korea, whether that's Japan, whether it's Indonesia, they want our oil. There's no doubt

00:18:46.200 they want it. But if Canada is going to be Pollyannish about this, and we're going to have

00:18:49.960 obstacles like we saw BC do last election, last time with the TMX costing us $50 billion.

00:18:55.720 By the way, I keep saying to myself, British Columbia owes Canada $50 billion for all their,

00:19:00.200 but we'll use every tool in the toolbox to block something that had already been given the

00:19:04.520 imperature of approval by the Canadian government. Now, of course, the argument is that they may

00:19:08.680 actually go through the United States, that would be deliciously ironic in light of what nutrient had

00:19:12.520 to do with respects to potash. If our future is heavily tied to getting things done because we can get

00:19:17.960 the United States, I can only imagine this will only add to greater tensions within the Federation

00:19:24.440 as to why the hell we want to keep staying within an arrangement that punishes Alberta,

00:19:29.080 that punishes our resource sector, while at the same time providing tons of grift for other

00:19:33.640 provinces through equalization who are taking advantage of this country.

00:19:36.200 Yep. I just saw the bill and billions of dollars going east here from the productive west again,

00:19:41.640 and not so much as a thank you very much. Did you, sorry, did you just say that TMX costs us

00:19:48.280 $50 billion now? Last I looked, it was like $37. What?

00:19:51.960 No. $6 billion to buy it, $44 to build it. So it's not, I mean, they haven't done the complete

00:19:57.800 accounting for it. Some people are saying $32, and then it was $44. It's closer to $50 billion is what it

00:20:04.120 costs Canadians and the taxpayer to fork over because we decided we're going to be cute and trendy and let

00:20:10.600 every Tom, Dick and Harry whack job organization go out there and assail it. And that was the

00:20:15.240 Horgan government. It's Attorney General David E.B. using every tool in the toolbox. Chris,

00:20:20.280 you and I were right front and center with that. I fought every one of these guys personally on

00:20:24.280 every media at the time. I was right there in Burnaby. Yep. Oh my gosh. Exactly. And I took no,

00:20:28.680 no nonsense from these guys. A couple of stations up in Kelowna, I actually went head to head with

00:20:33.000 Horgan. I beat the snot out of him and God rest his soul. But I mean, he was wrong and that was wrong to do

00:20:38.760 what they did was to basically deny Canadian energy exports, especially when the federal government had

00:20:44.680 given its signature of approval. No wonder Kinder Morgan said, we're going to sue your backside

00:20:50.360 and you are going to lose. Thank God Bill Morneau was still somewhat involved in the private sector

00:20:55.640 and realized it was a slam dunk they were going to lose, gave the $6 billion, bought out Kinder Morgan,

00:21:00.360 and to build this project with all the nonsensical red tape and, you know, every kind of fish or every

00:21:07.000 kind of nesting bird having been taken into consideration. It wound up costing Canadians

00:21:11.560 $50 billion. That's money out of your pocket. That's money that doesn't go to hospitals. That

00:21:16.680 money doesn't go to our pensions. That's money that doesn't go back into our infrastructure

00:21:20.440 because a couple of green fanatics from south of the border using our charitable status and our

00:21:25.720 goodwill in this country have really jammed the nation. And by the way, send a message to the rest of

00:21:30.360 the world. This is too risky a place to put any money. No wonder it takes 138 pennies to buy a US dollar.

00:21:35.480 You have compromised by allowing green fanatics and the left of the liberal party and its friends in

00:21:41.000 the, uh, the, the, the block and the, uh, the green, the NDP to destroy the financial credibility

00:21:48.440 and fiscal viability of this country. And that's why, why it's going to happen at MOU. I think the

00:21:53.160 damage is already done. The damn people on the, on the left and BC know exactly how much damage

00:21:57.960 they've done because no one wants to invest in Canada. It's too risky a place to do business.

00:22:01.480 Kinder Morgan sent that message to us six years ago. I was, lastly, I was in the Fraser Valley

00:22:06.200 when it was being twinned and I, I spoke to people literally out loud with my face, whose job it was

00:22:11.160 to like count snails. Like I'm not joking. Um, and it's right for folks who don't know, okay.

00:22:17.160 Who have never seen a pipeline. This area was already owned by Kinder Morgan. And then now

00:22:22.200 Trans Mountain, ergo the Canadian government. It's like a few feet wide. It's a clearing in the woods.

00:22:28.280 And then it gets grassed over. There's literally deer eating wildflowers on top of it. Like it's

00:22:33.560 this tiny little strip of land where they're just twinning the pipeline. And by the way,

00:22:38.920 they had crazy amounts of jobs that were working on twinning that pipeline that by not having proper

00:22:44.360 pipeline capacity in Canada alone, we are losing out on like $13 billion just in the income taxes,

00:22:52.680 just the income taxes. It's not even the property taxes or the royalties. Lastly, Dan, I wanted to

00:22:57.960 leave on, try to be a hopeful note here. Um, so you say right now we have this deadline coming up

00:23:03.400 of July 1st. We have this MOU of we're waiting for a taker. We're waiting for a suitor to come

00:23:08.280 to the ball and invite us to dance. Okay. Can we do this if we get smart, knowledgeable, charismatic

00:23:18.120 people to go do a charm offensive in Washington DC with all the right human beings while say, I don't

00:23:25.320 know, signing a new trade deal with our biggest trading partner instead of getting into this ridiculous

00:23:31.880 mainstream media, government funded journalism fight about elbows being up. Like I'm so done with

00:23:38.120 this. Is there a chance that we could find some adults in the room, either in or out of government?

00:23:43.240 You mentioned Bill Morneau. Are there people in your world who could go get this money coming into Canada

00:23:51.480 in time? I'm more of the belief now that Canada and Alberta would, uh, would have a real

00:23:58.360 promising shot by simply saying, and we'll take the pipeline to the U S border. The U S U S takes

00:24:04.440 it down to, uh, Washington state where you have four or five refineries. And so that may not be great

00:24:09.960 in terms of the discount, but it would obviously mean that the, uh, the provincial, uh, the federal

00:24:14.600 government may not have to, uh, the governor of Alberta may not have to wait for all of these, uh, uh,

00:24:20.600 these, uh, naysayers and all of these people who present themselves as having some kind of

00:24:25.880 veto or block to this, uh, particularly important piece of, uh, of pipeline. Look,

00:24:31.800 every pipeline will equal 20, maybe even as much as $25 billion in economic activity to Canada

00:24:38.920 at a time in which we are suffering from a $78 billion deficit, $1.4 trillion.

00:24:44.600 Federally taxpayers federation has done all the work on this. Provinces have the same subsovereign debt

00:24:49.880 where we're approaching 2.5 trillion as a, uh, as a, as a ceiling, uh, they know that we have to now

00:24:55.720 start to inflate. We are beggars don't, can't be choosers. We've painted ourselves into a corner.

00:25:02.120 If we don't get Alberta's pipelines built economically, we are going to be in a position

00:25:07.320 that I don't think our country has ever seen since the early 1980s. It'll be in a form of

00:25:11.400 economic perdition on a basis that, uh, most Canadians will regret the fact that they allowed

00:25:16.680 these guys to make these kinds of decisions. So if you're going to step, step in the way of pipeline,

00:25:21.560 then understand you're stepping in the way of Canada's economic wellbeing in its future. The

00:25:26.200 interests of the many come before the interests of the selfish few who get very well paid to say no

00:25:31.160 to only things Canadian, because at the end of the day, we need to make sure Alberta prospers. We need

00:25:35.640 to make sure that our energy from Alberta makes it to global markets. Anybody standing in the way for

00:25:40.040 that? Where I'm prime minister, you'd be arrested and we put you in jail until such times as this

00:25:45.000 thing's finally finished and built. If you don't like that, go find another country.

00:25:48.520 We'll, we'll be able to make enough money on it. If we go through the States and we lose that

00:25:53.480 discount, like you were just talking about, and you combine what economist Jack Mintz is warning

00:25:57.880 about, I'm sorry to be a rain cloud. Would we still make enough money? Like, would that be worth it if

00:26:02.520 we went through Washington state? Well, $30 of barrels to break even for Canadian oil. Okay.

00:26:08.200 Um, you can sell it for 45, maybe even, uh, and this way you would, you could tell Ottawa to go, uh,

00:26:14.120 uh, go fly a kite when it comes to its ridiculous, uh, carbon taxes, uh, or any other industrial

00:26:19.160 carbon tax. Oh, there you go. That's right. Because you're not doing the MOU stuff.

00:26:22.760 Okay. There's no MOUs, nothing. Alberta can go it alone. And all they need is, I think you'd find a

00:26:28.120 far more willing, uh, uh, administration, whether that be, uh, the Trump administration or its future,

00:26:33.480 if it should be JD Vance, these things can be built in a very short period of time. But I think the,

00:26:38.040 uh, I'm actually happy it's July 1st, because when Canada says, no, I'm pretty sure the United States will say,

00:26:42.760 yes. And as I here in Ontario, watch my, the only engine of success in, uh, driving our manufacturing,

00:26:49.320 whether that's steel or it's many auto manufacturing continue to crumble. At least I will know one part

00:26:54.200 of the country is going to be doing very well because nimbly they've been able to get around

00:26:57.800 Ottawa and get around, uh, uh, the gatekeepers who, uh, pay themselves with your money in mind

00:27:03.400 to go around saying no to building Canada without oil and gas. This country is dead in the water.

00:27:08.680 And Alberta knows that if you can get a deal with the United States, it'll at least have enough to,

00:27:13.160 uh, to survive the sinking ship. Dan, I think it's time for you and I to take a road trip to

00:27:17.160 Montana and Washington state. Let's go do that. Let's do it. Just don't send me to the train station.

00:27:23.960 Oh yeah. Never. All right. Dan McTague, uh, so wonderful to speak with you. Thank you so much

00:27:30.600 for being such an important part of Juneau news and this show and fighting for Canadians to have

00:27:35.640 affordable energy. Thank you so much. And Merry Christmas.

00:27:39.880 Chris, it's been my pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you and to all our viewers and

00:27:43.880 listeners. Isn't he a gem? Once again, folks, that is Dan McTague. He is with Canadians for affordable

00:27:49.880 energy. You might remember back in the day when you needed to know what the gas price was going

00:27:55.000 to be next week or a couple of days from now, Dan was the one that sat there and calculated that.

00:28:00.600 And he was bang on the nose. Guys got to go to Vegas. One of these days, folks, be sure to head on

00:28:05.800 over to Canadians for affordable energy. They have got just a treasure trove of information about

00:28:11.560 everything from carbon taxes to pipelines, to this forced battery powered vehicle mandate,

00:28:18.360 the ban on the sale of gasoline and diesel powered vehicles. Like Dan is right there constantly

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Juno News - January 05, 2026

Same old Liberals on environmental policy？

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