Saving Canada | feat. Josh Alexander
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Last year, a high school student from Renfrew Ontario made news headlines for protesting his school's policy of using gender neutral washrooms based on self-identification, and not based on one's biological gender. Being uncomfortable with the fact that boys were using girls' washrooms, and many girls in the high school telling him they felt unsafe, he protested and was suspended by the school and barred from attending school. Join me today to talk about how the trans issue is unfolding in our high schools.
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hi everybody welcome to the rupa subramanya show i am rupa subramanya i hope you're all doing well
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wherever you're tuning in from and that hopefully nicer weather has arrived wherever you are
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now last year a high school student josh alexander from renfrew ontario made news headlines for
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protesting his school's policy of using gendered washrooms based on self-identification and not
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based on one's biological gender being uncomfortable with the fact that boys were using girls washrooms
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and many girls in the high school telling him they felt unsafe he protested and was suspended by the
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school and barred from attending school joining me today to talk about how the trans issue is
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unfolding in our high schools please welcome josh alexander hey josh welcome to the show it's great
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to have you here let me just begin by asking you to tell us a bit about yourself what exactly happened
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that led to your suspension from your high school just walk us through the series of events that
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took place that led to your eventual suspension yeah so i'm a 17 year old student currently enrolled at
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the saint joseph's catholic high school in renfrew ontario i had previously been in the public board
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where i had done some activism regarding the mandates and the online learning and that we had
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done some uh protests uh myself and my crew from safe canada um regarding uh well like in opposition
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to the mandates in in solidarity with freedom convoy anyways uh that caused some drama in the board
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there's cops involved the uh we were getting suspended left right and center um simply for our public
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stance and uh we i decided to finish up my year um and uh i graduated grade 10 successfully and decided
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to just have a bit of a uh smoother end to my education and that's why i enrolled in the catholic board
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um this grade 11. however not long into my time there some female students approached me and
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uh informed me that males were using their washrooms they were concerned about this
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um i brought this concern to the principals and the administrators and it wasn't taken very seriously
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um they another female student did the same and uh at the end of the day um i decided the best way to
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uh make them a little more open to discussing this with us would be to put it on the media
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and as we organized a protest it went on the news um and they decided to suspend me um and uh i mean my
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lawyers got involved there was no justification for the suspension they didn't even want to release
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allegations against me and eventually uh they said i could return um but i was permanently banned from
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math class religion class and also banned from speaking to certain students so uh i didn't comply
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with that i said i would attend class and they gave me an exclusion order um which is now in effect
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they also gave me a trespassing notice i waited all that out um and uh i was scheduled to return
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once again at the end of the semester i'd failed four classes missed all that um but i was finally
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scheduled to return it was agreed upon and uh i told them i'm returning to class i'll continue to adhere
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to my religious beliefs and uh that's where it's at and uh they informed me that i was to be excluded
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for the remainder of the year um and uh at this point i still um have no reason to believe i'll be
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welcome back next year either but uh i felt by complying with that discriminatory exclusion order
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i'd be condoning it and i decided to attend class um in response to my decision the school ended up
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calling the police and i was arrested and charged wow that's uh that's incredible so tell me um you
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know listening to what you're what you've been saying uh it sounds like the school was was basically
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treating you like some hardened criminal uh you know why do you think your school went to such
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extraordinary lengths uh to bar you from school from uh preventing you from you know being even
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being on school grounds uh you know what what is it that uh set them off to such an extent that they
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you know that they were treating you this way well i think it i i personally believe it goes beyond the
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school um obviously this was a very public uh incident and uh i mean any young person with
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influence that's opposing the mainstream narrative is obviously a threat and uh they wanted to make
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an example out of me so they've been very hostile and they've done everything they can to discourage
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other students from taking a similar stance to the stance i took and uh i guess they're going to continue
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to do that and it's now like i said it's it's beyond just my school it's left my board and it's now
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affecting my family who are teachers in the uh public education system as well yeah uh we'll get to your
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family in just a little bit um what do you think is going to happen next i mean you're not allowed to
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attend school uh uh and so what what do you plan on doing like can you go to another school or i mean
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is that is that an option for you uh i mean i'm assuming you do want to finish high school um
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yeah so i had actually i withdrawn from parental control in order to appeal to the disciplinary
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decisions made by the school okay and uh i was well this went um the school refused to accept my
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withdrawal and this ended up going to the ontario court of appeal i had my first date back on i believe
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it was april 27th um and they ended up adjourning it to uh june 5th so on uh june 5th i uh will again
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i i believe i'll be scheduled to uh go back into the court of appeal and we'll try to work that out
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with the school and if we're successful there i'll i will be able to go ahead um and uh appeal this and
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maybe start to uh well hopefully withdraw that exclusion order which would have enabled me to attend
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class again um however i my my hopes for that are fairly low at this point and we'll have to decide
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whether we're going to continue with that uh appeal um but i uh i also have the option or there's a
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possibility that i could attempt to withdraw from the school board and go into the back into the public
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board however um since the school is refusing to recognize that i have withdrawn from parental control
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i don't know if they'd accept it if i asked to be uh withdrawn and uh unenrolled and enrolled in the
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public board i don't know how all that would work out but we're looking at all the options right now
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well you know as a young person i mean you're only 17 uh what is your uh sense uh on where people your
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age are on this whole trans issue uh uh you know are most uh people your age towing this uh woke
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progressive view or do you find a lot of people are agreeing with you it honestly depends on the
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student the environment um and the influencers but uh i would say that students in general are
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more so distracted by the vices that are provided by our system um whether they actually care or hold
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views on these topics is often left unknown um there are i do get a lot of support from students
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who have just had enough of it and they're fed up but at the same time you have like i said vices and
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you got kids that are just they've grown up with everything at their fingertips whether it be video
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games social media pornography movies all this stuff that just captivates the mind and distracts it
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um and uh so i mean our generation doesn't have uh doesn't have much uh motive in it it's certainly
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just numbed by uh distractions and pleasure so i think we will start to see a uh a turn soon where
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people start to wake up and go okay this isn't actually providing me true happiness um and they'll
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start to look at the the people that encourage this kind of behavior and uh even indoctrinated
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while they were in that uh almost trance but uh yeah i i see some support where i go um like i went
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to the york mills uh collegate institute and we received a lot of support there that was our first
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visit and our only visit outside of uh a high school that we attended um we'll probably be doing
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more of that um later i hope to be going to alberta at some point this month visit some schools there
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uh but uh yeah we'll we'll soon be able to engage the student support yeah at your own school what
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was the level of support that you received um you know did uh a whole bunch of uh i mean i don't know
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how many people attend that school but you know did people show up in solidarity with you uh or did most
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people just sit on the sidelines uh you know what how did how were you able to gauge that to support
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back then um there more and more i hear from students and parents that do support me um they're
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just afraid uh like i was saying earlier they're doing their best to uh discourage anybody who has
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similar uh views to mine um and like they've these students have now watched me leave the
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school in the back of the cop car um they've watched me get removed from class since november
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and uh it's uh it's obviously concerning for them to see that happen a lot of it
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unfortunately um the situation for a lot of students is that their parents won't support them
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and uh i mean that's the worst thing a parent can do if your student wants to stand up and is
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willing to face the consequences and take the risk of um of being a a a kid with morals in our society
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these days you should be encouraging that allowing that um and having their back but unfortunately that's
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often not the case um what is uh what's the role of teachers and guidance counselors um at a school
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like yours uh what what are they doing what are they telling the the kids at the school uh you
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know what's the kind of messaging that is coming out uh uh you know via the teachers and guidance
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counselors yeah well their their role certainly should be to teach and to guide but unfortunately
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it's been more recently um common for them to indoctrinate and confuse and uh like i've uh i've had
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teachers you know they're they're promoting and defending male breastfeeding um and then they're
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telling you that there's upwards of 73 genders and you can be whatever you want to be and uh they'll
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they'll try to confuse you know the they'll talk about the difference between gender and sex and uh
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just confuse kids um whereas i come around with a more um basic statement just saying god
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grade male female and i can provide scripture to back it um but uh unfortunately that's considered
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bullying in our uh in our society you know i find it very bizarre that uh you were treated the way you
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were i mean for a whole range of re uh reasons um but you were in the catholic school system which by
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definition should be committed to a core set of uh christian values uh i believe you yourself are a devout
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christian um does it seem strange to you that in our religious school system in ontario they seem to
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be taking such a um such an extreme woke view that doesn't conform uh at all with mainstream christian
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thinking on this topic well yeah i mean it it honestly doesn't surprise me at this point it disappoints
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me but uh i know that the catholic board is merely pandering for public funding and they've thrown out
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all their morals and values um and they will do anything to um continue to bring that money in
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uh it doesn't surprise me but um it's the catholic church ought to be ashamed and uh start to disown the
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catholic school board um if they refuse to stand for catholic values and this is i i mean i'm a i'm a
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student who's not even catholic i'm a born-again christian um but i'm going in there and it
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certainly leaves pretty bad uh testimony for the catholics when that's what i that's my experience
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and put two months spent around catholics yeah yeah and you know you tweeted uh recently that uh
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your parents uh who are both school teachers i believe have been suspended um and um i i can you tell us
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explain to us what happened to them uh why were they suspended uh was it was it because of your
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activism in the space um yeah um so approximately two weeks ago we learned that my dad had been uh put
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on leave and uh put under investigation um there was there has been no specific reason given for that uh
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uh and uh we'll probably figure out more um in the time to come but uh up until this point we don't
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really know why that happened i obviously have my assumptions and i think it's pretty obvious that it
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has to do with his relation to me given that he's my father um and then uh just this past friday i was
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about to go up and give a speech at the great canadian awakening and uh i was informed over the phone that
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my uh mother had also been uh removed from the classroom and placed under investigation um there
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what happened there is uh somebody went to her uh classroom and put a pride flag on the door of her
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kindergarten class um she uh was not asked for approval for any of this came as a surprise to her
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she removed the flight um and she was uh ended up having a conversation with the superintendent who
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informed her that in order to protect the children they'd have to put my mom under investigation or
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remove her from the class extraordinary and uh do you i i know you can't speak for your parents but
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do you know how they're gonna um um fight this at this point uh it's pretty uh it's pretty fresh case
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i don't really know what we're going to do yet we're looking at all the options um i'm sure there
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will be some more information to come from this yeah uh you've been you've been critical of uh the
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new conservative leader pierre polyevre for remaining silent on the trans issue um i i recently wrote about
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um um you know in my recent uh and national post column i wrote um that um you know i think the
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conservatives uh for them this was a real missed opportunity to stand up for uh core small c conservative
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values which uh basically at this point leaves the field open for the woke narrative coming from
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both the ndp and the liberals do you agree that the conservative party is making a huge mistake here
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and needs to get engaged with this issue um yes yeah absolutely um i had i never really shared my view
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on that until i had an opportunity to speak directly with mr polyevre um i wanted to hear his side and
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uh meet him and uh so that's what i did and uh i mean i can't say i'm impressed uh what a what a
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politician says behind closed doors um is means nothing and uh i don't care if if they believe the
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right things um they have to be willing to publicly say it even in the in the face of controversy and uh i
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haven't seen that from the conservative party i know they're well aware of the issues that in our
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education system right now they won't speak against it and uh to be honest i think canadians are sick
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of hearing about price of milk um there's there's other issues going on right now about uh like i mean
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every kid goes in and buys their carton of milk before class but i don't think that's the parents
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biggest concerns um when they're entering a woke um indoctrination facility every day and uh so i
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think that i would strongly encourage the conservative party to start to speak out against the uh the
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radical gender ideology that's being pushed in their education system and uh focus on the problems
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that matter to the the youth of canada the the future of canada um and uh so far i haven't seen any of
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that yeah uh i mean you've uh criticized them uh for not uh uh you know for for not taking a position
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here uh but uh you know if you could tell me what is the general sense you get interacting with uh
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members of the conservative party when you when you speak to them behind closed doors do they
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generally seem very supportive of uh of your activism and of where you're coming from
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uh some of them do some of them will snob me it depends i mean i'm sure a lot of them are afraid
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to speak to me about this because i've been very public on my stance on the conservative party and i
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don't necessarily blame them for that i i just speak my mind on the issue um and uh i'm still open
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and to and willing to talk to any uh not just conservative party any any uh elected uh representative
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about this issue i believe it's an important topic and we need to start having conversations
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um with with respect and uh concern and uh i'm so yeah i'm totally open to this yeah i mean you've
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certainly um um you know pointed to the fact that maxime bernier of the people's party of canada
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has supported you and he's i would say has been pretty consistent on this uh in opposing um the use of
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uh gendered washrooms and um you know for for trans people um and uh do you are you or are you happy
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with that support that you've received from bernier yeah i mean i i to be honest i was i guess i would
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have been maybe 14 years old i was i was a fan of pierre pauliev i enjoyed watching his uh his work in
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parliament and i uh had a lot of respect for him but then when i started to watch these uh mandates and
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restrictions come into play and uh i noticed that nobody in the conservative party would speak out
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against it um it was concerning and uh maxine bernier is somebody that would have been introduced
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to me around great my grade eight year and uh i liked what he had to say i mean i didn't really know
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too much about it i was in grade eight i didn't follow all this stuff too closely but over time i
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started to realize that this guy is actually speaking out about the the problems and the issues that
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matter matter to me and a lot of canadians and a lot of my peers and uh more and more he's spoken
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out and been consistent and uh pierre pauliev has just started catering more so to a mainstream
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narrative and uh so yeah i'm i'm i must say i'm quite impressed with maxine bernier and uh
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as of right now he certainly has my support for uh in kansas city yeah well um you know you said
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something very um interesting uh at the beginning beginning of the show uh you said you know anybody
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who goes against this mainstream narrative gets cancelled uh you're only 17 um and um is that um
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you know um unique to you or is that increasingly happening uh for for people your age where you know
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they challenge uh this sort of this mainstream narrative and then they find themselves shunned
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and criticized and denigrated and eventually cancelled yeah obviously my case is a little bit
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peculiar compared to the average student in canada um but yeah i've watched it many times uh there's
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often negative response from both staff and students in the education system when a student uh expresses
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beliefs contrary to the mainstream narrative and uh i mean i i it doesn't necessarily bother me
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but i've also just learned to have thick skin and go about my business but for the average student um
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i mean they're looking at getting a girlfriend getting a relationship having a job um often uh fighting
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for good grades and uh it like it or not it will affect your grades it will affect your
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popularity as they called in the school um and uh it affects your chances of getting a relationship
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whether that's a relationship you want to be in that's debatable but uh yeah i mean it certainly
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affects most students and it certainly hinders them from speaking out yeah i mean you're at the heart of
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this uh trans issue um um you know you're as a young person um how hopeful are you about the future how
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hopeful are you about change um uh change as you define it yeah i mean i i believe it's all in god's
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hands at this point um i uh i'm i'm impressed with the uh with what at least what i see in the future um
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students are more and more every day are coming to me and uh they're they're they're expressing their
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concerns and expressing their support and uh some i mean this these weren't issues that were on the media
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before and at this point it's it's uh it's very common and everybody's aware of it um we've raised a lot of
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awareness not just myself uh but like you look at guys like billboard chris and uh i mean this has
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been going on for quite some time it's nice to finally see a bit of uh reaction from it yeah well
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speaking of billboard chris um i believe you're going to be in ottawa in june with billboard chris uh
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chris uh elston um also known as billboard chris uh can you tell us a little bit about that event
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uh what should people expect is it a protest and uh where is it happening yeah um so we are going to
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be in nepean ottawa um and we'll be on i believe it was carling and broadview um there's several schools
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there so all are welcome the community members are welcome i know there's been uh some calls for
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counter protesters from uh well there's faye johnson some ndp members um but i mean we'll see what
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happens uh the police are in contact with me we're working together quite well um hopefully it all goes
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well and uh yeah i'd encourage everybody to come out on june 9th and just uh we're i mean we're there
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we're there to talk and to uh hear from students and uh also openly express our um not so popular opinions
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well um it's extraordinary that you at your age uh have you know displayed this incredible amount
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of courage where most people are just cowardly in my opinion um you know they're afraid to say these
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things pop in public but here you are uh suspended from school and you continue speaking up uh what
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gives you what gives you the courage to uh go you know to do this what motivates you and what inspires you
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well i mean courage of conviction isn't something that gets talked about a lot today because
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you often don't need courage to express the ideas that most people are expressing in our culture
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um but uh yeah i know i know that god's got my back i know that i'm doing the right thing in it
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and i'm uh i'm honored and to have the privilege to be able to represent the truth in a time like this
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and uh it's it's also quite encouraging to be able to uh give the gospel while doing that okay well um
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i wish you all the best josh uh with your activism and i will be sure to uh be in ottawa for your event
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in june uh i know a lot of people are excited and uh looking forward to meeting you uh people who
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haven't uh uh who've heard a lot of stuff about you but they you know they're really uh looking
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forward to seeing you uh in person and and billboard chris of course and uh thank you for coming on the
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show uh and uh and again you know i commend your correct courage and i wish you all the best and
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hopefully you'll be back on the show uh soon perhaps in june thank you for having me on it
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all right yeah no worries you take care yeah you too god bless