Juno News - Scapegoating Lawful Gun Owners

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.760 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:13.000 Coming up, how Justin Trudeau's gun ban is not just an attack on gun owners, but also on common sense.

00:00:18.880 And Rod Giltaka of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights joins me.

00:00:24.500 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:00:35.400 You're tuned in to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.

00:00:39.960 And one of these episodes where I've got to say, I hate being right.

00:00:44.560 I knew the day after, not because I'm a brilliant political mind, but just because the Liberals made it so painfully obvious,

00:00:51.480 the day after the Halifax massacre a couple of weeks ago,

00:00:55.140 that it was going to give Justin Trudeau and the Liberals the political cover they need,

00:01:00.080 or they think they need anyway, to advance a massive gun grab.

00:01:04.520 And again, this is not something that was all that thinly veiled, or even veiled at all,

00:01:08.880 because the Liberals have been trying to do a massive expansion of Canadian gun control

00:01:12.800 since they took office in 2015.

00:01:15.200 And they decided to make it a bit of an election issue so that they can turn around now

00:01:19.980 and say what they were saying on Friday when they unveiled this ban,

00:01:23.840 which is that they supposedly have a mandate to do it.

00:01:27.540 Now, I want to say from the outset here, I am a gun owner.

00:01:30.560 I've talked about it before.

00:01:31.700 I'm a proud gun owner.

00:01:33.020 I know that a lot of you aren't.

00:01:35.520 And some of the things that I'm going to be talking about this show

00:01:38.080 are going to be in the weeds, gun nerd, gun geek kind of things.

00:01:42.120 I'm going to just tell you right out of the gate that's going to happen.

00:01:44.840 But a lot of, I think, the overarching themes here, if you're not a gun owner,

00:01:48.840 you don't care about guns, or even if you don't like guns.

00:01:51.880 In fact, I'd say especially if you don't like guns,

00:01:54.840 I want you to have a listen to this episode.

00:01:57.240 I want you to listen to all the shows, but this one in particular,

00:02:00.260 because I'm going to walk people through as best as I can the problems with this politically,

00:02:05.880 the problems with it culturally, and I think where Canadians have gone wrong on this issue.

00:02:11.400 And it's not just the Liberals' fault, it's also the media's fault.

00:02:15.020 I think it's a lot of individual Canadians' fault, if I'm going to be playing the blame game.

00:02:19.200 But I'm going to try not to be.

00:02:21.040 But if you're not a gun person, I don't want you to think that

00:02:23.380 because I'm talking about guns a lot, that this isn't an episode for you.

00:02:26.980 I think, if anything, we need to start looking at the attack on gun owners from last week

00:02:31.700 as being an attack on rights in general, not just an attack on one particular hobby,

00:02:37.060 a particular sport, a particular way of life, whatever it is.

00:02:40.180 So that's what we're going to do here.

00:02:41.780 I'm going to be talking later on with Rod Giltaka,

00:02:44.060 who's the head of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.

00:02:47.000 We're also going to be going through some of the clips from the announcement on Friday

00:02:50.780 when basically the Liberal government announced that 1,500 varieties of firearms

00:02:56.920 were overnight illegal.

00:02:59.740 With the stroke of a pen, not through the parliamentary process,

00:03:02.540 not through any sort of legislative review, but just by order and counsel, banned.

00:03:07.340 Now, the generous and gracious and benevolent Liberals have, of course, given us two years

00:03:13.220 of amnesty in which then it will be something that will throw us away to jail.

00:03:18.220 But for now, it is still illegal with that amnesty period.

00:03:21.600 And we'll talk about these details.

00:03:23.040 But here's what I want to say first.

00:03:26.400 This is an attack on rights because it is so desperately against what the Liberals have claimed

00:03:33.280 their MO is on policy, which is that evidence-based policy.

00:03:37.060 You've heard them say it time and time again.

00:03:38.900 Evidence-based policy, evidence-based decision-making, all of this.

00:03:42.560 The evidence does not support what the Liberals are doing here.

00:03:47.200 In fact, the evidence opposes it altogether.

00:03:49.900 You know that criminals don't care about guns. 0.88

00:03:53.120 This is not a new concept.

00:03:54.460 It's not a radical concept.

00:03:55.760 But it is interesting that when Justin Trudeau was speaking, he gave specific mention to

00:04:02.060 the Halifax killer as though that somehow justified what it is that he was pushing for.

00:04:08.780 Take a watch at that clip.

00:04:09.880 Last week, 22 Canadians were killed in the deadliest rampage in our country's history.

00:04:17.260 They were nurses and teachers, correctional officers and RCMP officers.

00:04:23.080 They were someone's child, someone's best friend, someone's partner.

00:04:29.120 Their families deserve more than thoughts and prayers.

00:04:33.760 Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers.

00:04:37.560 So his rationale is that these mass shootings have happened in Canadian history.

00:04:42.900 Yes, they have.

00:04:43.600 It's horrific.

00:04:44.420 It's evil.

00:04:45.080 The one in Nova Scotia area, I say Halifax.

00:04:47.320 I'm sorry.

00:04:47.660 I know it's not Halifax.

00:04:48.680 But the Nova Scotia killing was one that really holds the honor, if you can say something like

00:04:55.240 that, of being the most fatal and deadly in Canadian history, which is just absolutely

00:05:00.740 terrible that any of these things have happened.

00:05:02.800 It's also terrible to blame specific guns and to, in many ways, abrogate the responsibility

00:05:10.040 that the particular killers had in these cases.

00:05:13.040 Going back to 1989 with the massacre at L'Ecole Polytechnique and all of the ones since then,

00:05:19.100 including, yes, the Nova Scotia killing spree.

00:05:22.300 And when Justin Trudeau talks about that as being an example of anything, he's proving that

00:05:28.280 he is just making things up on the spot.

00:05:30.760 That killer, and we talked about this on the show last week, did not have a gun license.

00:05:35.560 He did not use legal firearms.

00:05:37.760 So this ban of so-called 1,500 types of firearms doesn't actually mean anything to someone who

00:05:45.580 already was not lawfully entitled to own them and had ignored the law or circumvented the

00:05:51.740 law to get his hands on guns.

00:05:54.020 And we know that this guy had multiple guns.

00:05:56.560 The specific models haven't yet been revealed, although Bill Blair did say that the ones

00:06:02.520 he had were on the list.

00:06:04.180 So the ones he had were on the list.

00:06:06.140 But that proves the point.

00:06:08.560 That absolutely proves the point.

00:06:10.380 That if this ban had been in place three months ago, six months ago, a year ago, it wouldn't

00:06:15.520 have made a difference because the guy already went around the Canadian government's approved

00:06:20.460 mechanism for acquiring firearms.

00:06:22.740 If anything, what the Nova Scotia killing demonstrates is that the gun control regime in Canada is

00:06:28.900 fairly strict, but you cannot stop someone who has evil motivations from going to pursue

00:06:35.320 those through some other means than what the government thinks is possible.

00:06:38.900 So the risk with gun control can in some cases be inverse because it lulls people into a false

00:06:44.620 sense of security that, oh, criminals can't get their hands on firearms.

00:06:48.020 And what's interesting here is that for all the times that Canadians have looked to the

00:06:53.660 U.S. and said, oh, well, we're not like them.

00:06:56.340 They have the guns.

00:06:57.280 They have the gun culture. 0.77

00:06:58.620 They have all these mass shootings and we don't.

00:07:01.240 The interesting thing is that now all of those people are effectively trying to say that things

00:07:05.920 are terrible in Canada.

00:07:07.380 All these people who haven't hesitated to dunk on the U.S. and almost be giddy when there's

00:07:12.760 a mass shooting in the United States are now saying, oh, my goodness, it's horrific in

00:07:16.420 Canada, you can get machine guns and you can get missile launchers and rocket launchers

00:07:20.120 and grenade launchers and you can get Sherman tanks and you can get those Harrier jets and

00:07:24.160 you can get all of these things when I'm like, well, wait, you've been claiming the moral

00:07:28.580 high ground against the U.S. for years, saying that they have those guns and we don't.

00:07:33.140 And now all of a sudden there's an AR-15 on every street corner and it's gunning down

00:07:37.160 people.

00:07:37.580 You can't even go to the grocery store without dodging bullet fire.

00:07:40.260 That's basically the rationale from the police des souviens people and a lot of the gun control

00:07:45.580 advocates that now include the liberal government.

00:07:49.780 So there's a contradiction in this that I don't think anyone is pointing out except for me.

00:07:55.300 And I'm not saying that again because I'm all that smart, but just because no one in

00:07:58.960 the mainstream media is asking by and large the questions here because the people in the

00:08:04.200 mainstream media don't have the firearms knowledge and firearms understanding.

00:08:09.000 So a couple of points that I want to raise.

00:08:10.460 First off, this 1500 thing, it's not 1500 guns.

00:08:14.840 And in fact, over Twitter on the weekend, there was a little bit of mockery ensuing because

00:08:19.400 people saw on the list there were actually URLs.

00:08:22.740 So AR-15.com, AR-15 Chatterbox, which is a Facebook group, AR-15.com again, there were

00:08:29.640 a few variations.

00:08:31.500 And people thought that this was actually just this ridiculous example of government incompetence

00:08:36.160 because websites ended up on the list.

00:08:38.440 And as it so happened, that website, AR-15.com, had released a couple of, not even models,

00:08:44.880 but stamped parts where on one of the lower receivers, it would stamp the website URL or

00:08:50.400 on the Facebook group, it would stamp that.

00:08:52.400 And they only sold, Jen Gerson from formerly of the National Post figured this out, they

00:08:57.100 only sold like three or four dozen of these guns.

00:08:59.640 Like they were not actually a mass produced model.

00:09:02.040 But that was enough to get it on the banned list in Canada.

00:09:06.040 So in any case, I think it's sign of government incompetence for a different reason.

00:09:11.040 It's not that they put things that aren't even guns on the list.

00:09:14.020 It's that they were so insistent on claiming that there are 1500 assault rifle types that

00:09:19.440 you can get in Canada as of two weeks ago that you can't get today, that they were just

00:09:24.380 putting anything they could think of.

00:09:27.300 It would be like if for whatever reason, the government wanted to ban the Ford Focus.

00:09:32.040 And they say, we're banning the Ford Focus.

00:09:34.080 It's been used in so many crimes, so many issues.

00:09:36.880 We're banning it.

00:09:37.740 And the list they give is the Ford Focus, the Ford Focus SE, the Ford Focus ZX, the Ford

00:09:42.740 Focus ME, the Ford Focus LE.

00:09:44.560 And then under these, they subdivide and say, oh, no, no, the Ford Focus ZX with the, double

00:09:52.680 spoiler, the Ford Focus ZX with the red paint, with the green paint, with the yellow paint.

00:09:57.080 And they're trying to make it look like things are bad in Canada and so bad in Canada that

00:10:03.920 when you read this, you're like, oh my, I had no idea how many machine guns there were

00:10:08.240 or fully automatic guns.

00:10:09.880 And that is not what's happening.

00:10:12.180 There are really nine core firearm types that are on there.

00:10:15.960 Most of them are non-restricted.

00:10:18.040 The most notable of them are the Mini 14, which is a great rifle that many people use for

00:10:23.540 hunting, it's great for sport shooting as well, and the AR-15, which is one of the most

00:10:28.420 popular semi-automatic firearms in North America.

00:10:32.100 Now, we don't have a huge track record of violence in Canada in general.

00:10:37.020 The fact that you could rhyme off most of the country's mass shootings, while all of

00:10:42.380 them are terrible, is indicative that we have gun violence under control here.

00:10:47.700 The gun problems we do have, by and large, are from gang violence and inner city issues,

00:10:52.700 which is why the chiefs of police and police departments say that gun control isn't going

00:10:58.400 to do anything.

00:10:59.260 It's illegal handguns that are being smuggled across the border.

00:11:02.520 It's not anything else.

00:11:04.600 So what's fascinating here is that the AR-15, which is probably the most vilified gun for

00:11:11.020 reasons that don't really make sense, is used, and yeah, has been used in horrific acts

00:11:16.220 of violence in the U.S.

00:11:17.420 But I've mentioned this point before, and it bears repeating.

00:11:20.280 The reason why you see the AR-15 used in more shootings is not because the AR-15 is a deadlier

00:11:28.000 gun.

00:11:28.460 It's not because it's more dangerous than the Mini-14 or other semi-automatic firearms.

00:11:33.680 It may look more menacing and look more scary.

00:11:36.120 The reason it's used in more shootings than other guns is because it's more popular.

00:11:42.540 It's that simple.

00:11:43.980 You know, if there are more Ford Focuses on the road, it stands to reason you're going

00:11:47.780 to see more Ford Focuses in car crashes.

00:11:50.100 I don't know if you do, but I'm saying that if there are more of something, it's more likely,

00:11:54.720 just as a matter of statistics, for you to see these things represented in stats and in

00:12:00.340 samples.

00:12:01.840 And that delusion that a lot of people on the left have, that if you were to just take

00:12:07.180 the gun control laws and carve a line around individual guns, that that's A, going to carve 0.53

00:12:13.820 a line around all guns, and B, that it's going to take away the motivation that someone had

00:12:19.000 to commit a crime.

00:12:20.100 I don't think you have any mass shooters that are thinking, hmm, you know, I'm ready to

00:12:24.800 do this and I want that AR-15.

00:12:26.260 Oh, I can't.

00:12:26.920 All right, done.

00:12:27.620 That sucks.

00:12:28.200 Yeah, no, I really wanted to do that, but I can't anymore.

00:12:31.020 No, they say, all right, well, I'll get the thing that I can.

00:12:33.680 And in some cases, it is a stolen gun.

00:12:37.220 In other cases, it's an illegally smuggled gun.

00:12:39.460 In other cases, it's a knife or a car or a rented van.

00:12:43.820 So this gun control delusion, this utopian society where if you just take away the very 0.67

00:12:53.500 surface level tool that someone's desire to commit a crime disappears and goes away,

00:13:00.060 and then they just start, you know, devoting their life to singing show tunes instead.

00:13:03.680 It's just so asinine.

00:13:05.340 And I'm not making light of something serious here.

00:13:07.980 I'm showing how dangerous the gun control proponent mindset is on these sorts of issues

00:13:14.440 because they honestly believe that you can legislate these problems away.

00:13:18.980 They believe you can legislate these problems away and you just can't because for years,

00:13:23.900 people thought that that happened in Canada and still a Nova Scotia killing happens.

00:13:28.000 Still, La Loche happens.

00:13:29.660 Still, Moncton, New Brunswick happens.

00:13:31.440 Still, Nathan Cirillo and Patrice Vincent, Parliament Hill 2014, it happened.

00:13:36.840 So you can do anything and everything and you can never get down to zero.

00:13:43.700 But the problem is, is that that number being anything other than zero is what gives a lot

00:13:49.040 of politicians that want to take your rights the moral and political cover to do so.

00:13:53.580 And this is what's happening with gun control.

00:13:57.540 So the liberals want you to believe that you are living in a war zone right now and you just

00:14:03.140 aren't.

00:14:04.160 You just aren't.

00:14:04.840 No one's feeling unsafe.

00:14:06.560 No one in standard suburban Canada or even urban Canada, I'd say, by and large, with the 1.00

00:14:11.620 exception of maybe a few pockets, is thinking, you know what?

00:14:14.620 I'm worried about getting gunned down every time I leave my house.

00:14:17.800 And if you meet one of those people, please let me know and I'll have them on the show

00:14:22.920 because I want to talk about this.

00:14:24.480 And it's completely irrational.

00:14:26.180 And what the liberals are doing is fomenting this fear that is misplaced in Canada.

00:14:30.880 Because and I don't even want to talk about the U.S. gun control regime right now because

00:14:35.240 we are in Canada and all we can control is Canada's approach to guns.

00:14:39.440 But in Canada, we have gotten a good handle on it.

00:14:42.680 And there are a lot of issues in the mechanisms that we have here that don't have anything

00:14:47.980 to do with safety.

00:14:51.560 For example, the idea that you need to get a piece of paper to bring your gun from home

00:14:56.240 to the range and back.

00:14:57.380 And I know that this was a change that the Harper government put in where it was part

00:15:00.780 of your license, which made sense.

00:15:02.320 But the liberals fought that.

00:15:03.500 The liberals said, no, you need to have authorization from the government to pick up your guns from

00:15:08.180 home and go to the gun range or to move or to do one of these other things.

00:15:11.980 And the liberals, again, they blatantly lied when this happened.

00:15:15.980 They said, well, you know, if you don't have that requirement, then someone could just pick

00:15:20.420 up their guns and go to the Eaton Center and shoot people like someone did there a few

00:15:24.760 years ago.

00:15:25.280 And that wasn't true.

00:15:26.620 That wasn't true at all.

00:15:27.500 What it meant is that people who have been vetted, who have been approved, who are lawfully

00:15:31.400 owning guns, who are using them for a lawful purpose, don't need to go through an extra

00:15:35.600 step that is only a bureaucratic one, that serves only to embolden the bureaucracy and does

00:15:41.340 nothing for public safety.

00:15:42.840 A lot of the issues as well that are apparent in this new ban on guns are that, you know,

00:15:48.460 you could just have the complete and utter safety looked after because you're approved,

00:15:56.060 you're vetted, you're licensed.

00:15:57.520 But, oh, this gun, which does the same thing as this gun, you can own one but not the other.

00:16:02.560 And that's an example with the Mini 14 and the AR-15.

00:16:05.180 Both are fundamentally the same gun, same ammunition, same rate of fire.

00:16:09.760 One is wood stock traditionally.

00:16:12.080 One is black stock.

00:16:13.740 The black is restricted, the AR-15.

00:16:15.940 The brown is non-restricted.

00:16:18.100 The irony, of course, being that you can get the Mini 14 in black stocks because they realize

00:16:22.220 that people want to trick them out and make them look like AR-15s.

00:16:25.580 And one of the biggest sources of pushback on this from people is why.

00:16:31.680 Why do you need it?

00:16:32.940 Why do you need it?

00:16:33.880 And, you know, I fear like I'm preaching to the choir here, but I also think I need to

00:16:38.760 go through these for people that aren't members of the choir or even the congregation yet.

00:16:43.220 It's not about need.

00:16:45.400 It is about want.

00:16:46.560 And if that sounds petty and that sounds selfish, fine.

00:16:49.520 But hear me out here.

00:16:50.420 We do not have a society based on needs.

00:16:52.880 We don't.

00:16:53.540 No one has to prove to the government or should have to prove to the government why they want

00:16:59.060 to own a piece of property that is otherwise legal with the exception of firearms.

00:17:04.340 I mean, yeah, you need a driver's license, but for the most part, if I want to go and

00:17:07.640 buy a car, I can buy a car.

00:17:09.040 If I want to go out and buy seven cars, I can buy seven cars.

00:17:12.060 I have to go through a process for it, but no one is there to tell me that I can't.

00:17:16.740 And even if I don't have a license, no one is there to tell me that I can't buy cars

00:17:20.960 and start amassing an arsenal of them.

00:17:22.680 So for most people, they would say that you don't need a firearm.

00:17:28.300 Okay, fine.

00:17:29.840 But some people, and I'd say actually even the liberals right now, aren't even saying that.

00:17:34.080 They're saying we know that guns are used for hunting.

00:17:36.480 We know they're used for farmers.

00:17:37.800 We know they're used for all of these things.

00:17:39.500 We don't want to go after those things.

00:17:41.380 All we are interested in are these guns that were designed for killing.

00:17:46.940 This is what they say, that the AR-15, the Mini-14, a lot of these semi-automatic rifles

00:17:51.520 had one purpose and one purpose alone, and that is killing people.

00:17:55.220 And that's not true.

00:17:56.300 And if you need proof that it's not true, look at the liberal exemption to First Nations

00:18:02.100 Canadians.

00:18:02.760 People who are in indigenous communities are allowed to keep hunting with these things, 1.00

00:18:07.120 which proves that the problem is not the gun itself.

00:18:11.320 Proves that the problem is not the gun itself because there are people that are apparently

00:18:15.460 able to have them, which means that to the government, they are acknowledging that, yes,

00:18:20.760 some people should have firearms.

00:18:24.060 Some people should have access to firearms and can have access to firearms, and it doesn't

00:18:28.840 hurt or threaten anyone if they do.

00:18:31.220 So they've undercut their own point and proved that they are abandoning what was the hallmark

00:18:37.760 of their approach to firearms and every other policy, which is evidence-based policy, evidence-based

00:18:43.760 decision-making.

00:18:45.100 And you may remember back in 2014 when the conservative government under Stephen Harper was putting forward

00:18:51.860 gun easing measures, the liberals said we can never have a system where politicians are deciding

00:18:59.580 what guns are banned and not police.

00:19:02.940 This is what the liberals said.

00:19:04.220 It was a big hallmark.

00:19:05.540 They said, no, no, no, the conservatives want to take the decision-making out of the hands of police

00:19:09.440 and put it in the hands of politicians.

00:19:10.860 And then, funny, when they want to go the other way, when they want to ban things and when they want

00:19:15.260 to strict things, it's not only an order in council that circumvents parliament, but it is also

00:19:21.360 politicians making the decision, politicians making the announcement.

00:19:25.720 We heard about this from Attorney General David Lamedi, Justin Trudeau, the Prime

00:19:29.540 Minister, Bill Blair, the Public Safety Minister, Chrystia Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister.

00:19:35.120 This was entirely announced and enacted by politicians, not by the so-called experts that

00:19:41.120 we were supposed to listen to when Stephen Harper was in power.

00:19:44.540 And interestingly enough, that's because all of the experts are saying that Trudeau is wrong.

00:19:49.700 All of the experts are saying that they actually support keeping the gun control measures where

00:19:55.940 they are because it does not solve things.

00:20:01.020 So all of a sudden, when the police happen to disagree with Justin Trudeau, it's, no, no,

00:20:05.240 no, we got to listen to the politicians, not to the police.

00:20:08.980 In any case, we got to take a quick break.

00:20:10.940 When we come back, more of the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.

00:20:14.200 Stay tuned.

00:20:14.620 I said at the beginning of the show, I want to walk you through where I think things have

00:20:25.220 gone wrong here.

00:20:26.360 And one of the, I think, hugest problems in the gun discussion in Canada is that most of

00:20:32.540 the people who are forging the discussion don't actually know much about guns.

00:20:38.020 And there are two reasons for this.

00:20:39.420 Number one, people who have just been raised in cities and have never been exposed to it,

00:20:44.660 you can't expect them to know everything.

00:20:47.060 You can't expect them to know the difference between a semi-automatic and a bolt action,

00:20:50.920 a fully automatic and a lever action and all of these things.

00:20:54.220 And that's a big problem.

00:20:55.920 And I talked about this, if you may remember, I think I played a clip of the video from a

00:21:00.240 different part of the speech back in when, whenever it would have been, I can't remember.

00:21:04.560 But some months ago, I was in Red Deer, Alberta for a conference.

00:21:07.440 And I was speaking about the divide between ordinary Canadians and the media.

00:21:13.300 And one of the points that I raised was that the media is by and large forged by people from 0.96

00:21:18.660 cities, from liberal arts programs at a few universities, and this forms the media.

00:21:24.360 So there is an imbalance in that a lot of the people that are working in newsrooms across

00:21:29.040 the country, even in smaller town newsrooms, by the way, they may have gone there because

00:21:33.160 that was the best job they could get from a big city.

00:21:36.040 So you get people that don't necessarily understand the rural way of life.

00:21:40.360 And I say this as someone who was raised in London, Ontario, but I've made a point of trying,

00:21:44.560 I identify more with someone who's from, you know, Bruce County than someone who's from

00:21:48.440 downtown Toronto.

00:21:49.640 And if you know where Bruce County is, you know what I'm talking about.

00:21:51.820 If you don't, just think of whatever a rural county is near you.

00:21:55.040 So that's a part of the problem.

00:21:57.160 But the other part is that I think people need to do a better job of getting media aware

00:22:03.720 of guns.

00:22:04.280 And I know that some of the gun groups have done this.

00:22:06.280 They've done training workshops.

00:22:07.580 They've done interviews and stuff like that.

00:22:09.940 But one of the things that I'm convinced of is that once someone goes shooting, it will

00:22:14.900 change their outlook on guns.

00:22:17.360 Because once you do it and you realize that it's fun, and if you don't understand it, you

00:22:21.800 start to understand it, that shapes the discussion.

00:22:25.160 Because all of a sudden, it's not inconceivable to you that this community of people want firearms.

00:22:31.360 It's not inconceivable to you that there are people that enjoy shooting them and like shooting

00:22:35.460 them.

00:22:35.980 And if you shoot a gun with high recoil, and then you shoot an AR-15 and realize, oh,

00:22:39.960 well, that's actually, you know, not so bad.

00:22:41.560 It doesn't rip my shoulder out.

00:22:42.980 You understand why certain things have the appeal that they do.

00:22:46.260 So I would love to see any reporter that's writing about guns go out to a gun range.

00:22:50.900 And if you're a gun owner and you have a relationship with someone, invite them out.

00:22:54.280 Do that.

00:22:55.220 And there are a lot of them that will say, no, I don't like guns.

00:22:57.880 I don't want guns.

00:22:58.680 I don't want to touch them.

00:22:59.860 That reveals their bias right there.

00:23:02.620 There are, I think, a lot of people in the middle that would say, yeah, this is an experience

00:23:06.560 I should have if I'm going to write about it.

00:23:09.540 And I think that goes for a lot of things where if you are going to be reporting on something,

00:23:13.460 it would be useful to know a bit more about it.

00:23:15.880 And that's not to say that reporters have to be experts in every subject matter.

00:23:19.640 It's that with firearms coverage, that's when I see the most factual errors in stories.

00:23:26.100 That's where I see the most factual errors in stories.

00:23:28.600 When people are writing about guns that don't exist, they're mistaking semi-automatic and

00:23:33.080 fully automatic.

00:23:34.160 And at Trudeau's press conference this Friday, there was even a reporter, I don't even know

00:23:37.780 who it was, who had asked about this, about, oh, the fire, the automatic firearms that you're

00:23:42.500 banning.

00:23:43.020 And it could have been a misspeak.

00:23:44.520 It could have just been that she meant to say semi-automatic, or it could be that she

00:23:49.000 didn't know the difference.

00:23:50.440 And no one corrected it.

00:23:52.040 No one, certainly not Trudeau.

00:23:53.600 He didn't, in his response, correct it.

00:23:56.320 So the liberals were saying that mass shootings are more common, that gun violence is normalized.

00:24:01.700 Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers.

00:24:03.800 That was the core Trudeau message.

00:24:06.840 Chrystia Freeland said that it's a feminist policy if you want to put gun control forward, 1.00

00:24:11.760 because women in abusive homes and domestic violence situations have to fear guns.

00:24:16.720 You also then have all of the discussions going on about military grade.

00:24:21.260 This is, I didn't get to this earlier in the show, the liberals and then the media start

00:24:25.420 reporting it, saying military grade weapons, which is even worse than assault style weapons,

00:24:31.060 in that both are untrue.

00:24:33.180 No militaries are using AR-15s and mini-14s.

00:24:36.920 No militaries are using these.

00:24:38.840 They are civilian market firearms.

00:24:41.760 They're made to look like some law enforcement guns and military spec guns,

00:24:45.720 but they are made for the civilian market.

00:24:47.840 They don't go fully auto.

00:24:49.020 They aren't assault rifles.

00:24:51.080 But assault rifle is a term that has lost its meaning,

00:24:54.060 because the media uses it for guns they don't like.

00:24:57.500 That's the definition of an assault rifle, a gun that the liberals want to ban.

00:25:02.280 And now they've banned assault rifles.

00:25:04.820 They haven't even banned all semi-automatic guns.

00:25:07.360 And I don't want to give them ideas.

00:25:08.580 There was one that I thought would go that I have that didn't get banned,

00:25:12.400 so I'm not even going to mention the name of it.

00:25:14.460 I have an AR-15, so that's now illegal.

00:25:17.140 And for two years, I can move it only for the purposes of destroying it or turning it into police.

00:25:23.460 And the interesting thing about the AR-15 is that I'm actually moving.

00:25:27.780 My wife and I are moving in a few weeks, and that was not in the order in council listed as an approved usage,

00:25:35.800 that you cannot move.

00:25:37.100 That wasn't there.

00:25:38.020 And I was worried.

00:25:39.100 I'm like, well, I have to surrender it just because they won't issue me an ATT.

00:25:43.160 And I reached out to the RCMP about this.

00:25:45.560 Sorry.

00:25:46.080 I reached out to Public Safety Minister Bill Blair about this,

00:25:48.780 and then they kicked me over to the RCMP, who, I'm very grateful, responded right away.

00:25:54.260 And they had said on this, and I'll read it because it's just so criminal, quite frankly.

00:26:01.660 An individual will not require an authorization to transport,

00:26:05.260 as they may transport their firearm device one time to return home with the firearm,

00:26:10.340 if it was not at the owner's residence at the time the prohibition came into force.

00:26:14.160 So this means that if your gun is over at Chuck's house, you're allowed to bring it home and only bring it home.

00:26:19.400 But the RCMP continued,

00:26:21.000 this would qualify in the case of a move to a new residence.

00:26:25.340 Under the amnesty, the newly prohibited firearm must be transported by vehicle

00:26:29.040 as long as the route taken is reasonably direct.

00:26:32.220 The firearm must be unloaded with no ammunition precedent, yada, yada, yada.

00:26:35.440 So I can't, you know, stop for dinner at the way.

00:26:37.500 I can't do all of these things that I might do if I'm driving around the city.

00:26:40.900 But the fact that now, whether I can move from one address to another,

00:26:46.700 as is constitutionally guaranteed, by the way, freedom of movement within Canada,

00:26:50.780 now I have to basically go to the government and say,

00:26:54.840 do I have permission to bring my property that I legally own from one house to the other?

00:26:59.400 And while I was in the short term grateful that yes, I am allowed to,

00:27:03.360 that I'm not in this hybrid situation where I'm not allowed to bring it to turn it in,

00:27:07.620 and I'm not allowed to bring it to the new house.

00:27:09.040 So I guess the people that move into where we live now get to,

00:27:12.220 you know, keep it as a little welcome present or something.

00:27:14.600 But it's that we have to now ask for permission from the government

00:27:18.500 to do things that we have been approved to do, licensed to do.

00:27:22.180 And this is why it's a rights question.

00:27:25.140 This is why it's a question of rights and not a question of safety,

00:27:29.020 because no one is made safe by this.

00:27:31.100 The point that stress is repeating here is that this was an illegal act in Nova Scotia,

00:27:38.600 using illegal guns.

00:27:40.020 And one reporter, by the way, asked about this.

00:27:42.060 Only one reporter asked Trudeau about it, and that was Tom Perry from CBC.

00:27:45.400 And Trudeau completely ignored the answer.

00:27:48.100 Here was this exchange.

00:27:49.320 Hi, Tom Perry with CBC.

00:27:51.140 The shooter in Nova Scotia was using illegal weapons,

00:27:53.860 and a lot of illegal weapons come in from the United States.

00:27:57.560 So why not target those weapons as opposed to going after lawful gun owners?

00:28:04.600 Today we are banning military-style assault weapons in this country,

00:28:09.140 weapons that are designed for one purpose and one purpose only,

00:28:12.700 to kill as many people as possible in as short amount of time as possible.

00:28:17.620 Those guns have no place in Canada, and the measures we're putting forward

00:28:21.420 will reduce the amount of those guns in Canada

00:28:25.240 and eventually keep more Canadians safe.

00:28:30.320 But there is more to do.

00:28:32.080 There are more measures to take, and we look forward to moving forward on those.

00:28:37.140 And for those, I'll turn it back to Minister Blair.

00:28:39.840 I mean, I know that Justin Trudeau doesn't like answering the questions,

00:28:42.620 but here we are with a question that actually I think cuts at why this announcement was so inept

00:28:49.760 and so off-base, and he completely ignores it.

00:28:54.440 And Bill Blair then chimed in and said,

00:28:56.460 well, you know, I can confirm without saying that the gun this guy used was on the list.

00:29:00.040 But Bill Blair did an interview on the weekend on CTV's question period with Evan Solomon,

00:29:05.360 and he claimed, and I have no idea how he's claiming it,

00:29:08.640 that this ban would have prevented the criminal from going on his killing spree.

00:29:13.960 Take a watch at this.

00:29:15.200 As far as we know, the guns used in the Nova Scotia mass murder

00:29:18.600 were purchased in the U.S. and smuggled here.

00:29:21.680 So to begin with, would this ban that you've introduced had any impact on that situation?

00:29:27.320 And the answer to that is yes, Evan.

00:29:30.280 You know, I'm not going to discuss it.

00:29:32.160 It's up to the Mounties to disclose the weapons and their origins

00:29:36.220 in the course of their investigation, but I think when that information is available,

00:29:40.480 Canadians will understand its relevance to the steps we've taken today.

00:29:44.220 I don't even know how he is twisting whatever it is he's twisting to get there, right?

00:29:50.160 This is like going from point A to point potato,

00:29:52.780 and I have no idea the route that he traveled to get there.

00:29:55.860 Because right now, what the Liberals are doing is fear-mongering.

00:29:58.580 They're trying to over-inflate the risk of gun violence in Canada.

00:30:01.920 They're trying to muddy the waters by talking about types of guns that are already illegal.

00:30:06.660 You can't get an assault rifle.

00:30:08.460 On this list of banned guns were missile launchers and grenade launchers,

00:30:12.940 things that you couldn't get.

00:30:14.840 And I was kind of marginally disappointed because I'm like,

00:30:17.200 wait, I could have gotten a rocket launcher all this time.

00:30:19.360 No, they were banned as well.

00:30:20.700 But they wanted to pad out this list to make it look like things were more dangerous in Canada

00:30:25.140 than they actually are.

00:30:26.840 And what's worse is that the Liberals were positioning this not as a panacea,

00:30:32.600 but as a first step.

00:30:34.460 Bill Blair said there's much more to do.

00:30:36.300 Justin Trudeau said there's much more to do.

00:30:38.720 And all of us in Canada are going to have to just sit back and wait

00:30:43.100 to see how they expand this further down the road.

00:30:46.420 And we know it's going to be handguns that are next.

00:30:48.660 We know it's going to be trying to fine-tune this supposed buyback scheme.

00:30:53.440 But ultimately, no one is getting more free as this process unfolds.

00:30:58.840 We've got to take a break.

00:30:59.860 When we come back, we'll talk to Rod Giltaka here on The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:31:03.280 Stay tuned.

00:31:05.080 You're tuned in to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:31:09.900 One of the things that has come out of this just ridiculous announcement from Friday

00:31:14.780 has been a bit of unity from the gun rights community.

00:31:17.700 And one particular push is to get Bill Blair out of his job.

00:31:22.340 I want to talk about this and some other aspects of this with Rod Giltaka,

00:31:26.100 CEO and Executive Director of the CCFR.

00:31:29.020 Rod, thanks for joining me today.

00:31:31.080 Thanks for having me, Andrew.

00:31:32.200 So let's talk first off about Bill Blair here,

00:31:35.040 because every time Bill Blair has said something about guns,

00:31:38.420 as the Liberals have been planning this,

00:31:40.000 it's typically been wrong from, you know,

00:31:42.120 talking about the assault rifle issue,

00:31:43.960 talking about how police are apparently pushing for this,

00:31:46.880 even though most of the comments I've seen

00:31:49.140 have been against this type of gun control.

00:31:51.340 Why is Bill Blair, in your view, the problem here?

00:31:55.660 Well, Bill Blair has conducted himself.

00:32:00.460 He's been very disingenuous.

00:32:02.600 He's pushed just clear.

00:32:06.060 I'm trying to watch my language.

00:32:07.800 He's lied to Canadians time and time again.

00:32:09.900 Forget about watching the language when it comes to Bill Blair.

00:32:12.020 And he's lied to me in person when we had the infamous Bill Blair video.

00:32:19.060 And he's just, yeah, he's just acted in such a way

00:32:22.660 that it's beneath the office of a government minister.

00:32:26.340 And Canadians, whether they know it or not, 1.00

00:32:29.400 are, they're the victims of it.

00:32:31.220 A point I raised earlier in the show is that the Liberals

00:32:34.820 made a big stink back in, I think it was 2014,

00:32:37.380 about how it should be police and not politicians

00:32:40.240 that are making these decisions.

00:32:41.780 And it's interesting that now it seems like all politicians

00:32:45.000 should be the ones having the power in their eyes.

00:32:47.800 Well, of course, right?

00:32:48.780 So it's, again, they say one thing and they do another.

00:32:51.740 The duplicity of the Trudeau government

00:32:53.700 is actually worse than I've ever seen in my life.

00:32:57.800 And I've been around a little while.

00:32:59.700 But again, it's everything's for a political purpose.

00:33:03.240 Leveraging Nova Scotia, what happened there.

00:33:05.200 That's not a, that story was not a gun control story.

00:33:08.440 But nothing is out of bounds for this government.

00:33:12.180 So let's talk about the response,

00:33:14.020 because I've spent a bunch of the show already complaining.

00:33:17.580 And I think there's reason to do that

00:33:19.020 and talking about why things are wrong.

00:33:20.900 But I also don't want this to become a point of defeat

00:33:24.420 for gun owners in Canada, who number in the millions here.

00:33:27.400 And I know that a lot of people have focused on the fact

00:33:30.180 that it was an order in council and not going through parliament.

00:33:33.480 I get concerned with that approach to it,

00:33:36.740 because I know that if they do go through parliament,

00:33:38.820 they're going to get the votes.

00:33:40.420 It's that simple right now.

00:33:41.820 So I don't want to make that the linchpin of this.

00:33:44.560 But is there a response here

00:33:46.360 that doesn't involve a change of government?

00:33:48.500 Well, they are, they're more than legally entitled to file OICs.

00:33:56.180 They can do that.

00:33:57.720 The CCFR spent all weekend talking with legal counsel

00:34:03.000 and outside counsel as well to see what can be done.

00:34:07.080 We're working on that.

00:34:08.480 We should have an answer shortly on whether there's anything.

00:34:11.440 But the government's legally allowed to do that.

00:34:13.760 And when it comes to legislation, they have a majority government.

00:34:17.500 The bloc will vote any way that the liberals ask them to vote

00:34:20.240 if there's something in it for Quebec.

00:34:21.460 They are a provincial-centric federal party.

00:34:24.400 So, you know, honestly, the only way to get our rights back

00:34:31.580 or even just to get these rifles back from this most recent ban

00:34:34.680 is just a complete change of government.

00:34:36.760 And not only that, but to hold the government that we elect accountable for.

00:34:42.680 No easy answers, Andrew.

00:34:44.820 What do you make of the double standard ingrained in this

00:34:47.640 between Indigenous Canadians and non-Indigenous Canadians?

00:34:50.640 Because this is the point that I feel kind of undercuts

00:34:54.100 what the liberals are saying,

00:34:55.260 which is that the guns themselves rather than the owners are the problem.

00:35:00.500 Well, the duplicity of the Trudeau government, right, in action again.

00:35:04.680 But, you know, when it comes to that,

00:35:06.100 I've had a few people ask about that,

00:35:08.100 how I feel about Aboriginals being able to hold on to their guns. 1.00

00:35:12.600 I think they're talking specifically about the firearms

00:35:15.140 that were previously non-restricted.

00:35:17.500 They're not talking about ARs.

00:35:18.600 Because Aboriginals were never allowed to hunt with ARs,

00:35:21.920 regardless, you know, as far as I'm aware.

00:35:24.580 And, you know, we sat down to a technical briefing

00:35:28.780 right after this happened with public safety.

00:35:31.020 And basically the situation there is

00:35:33.300 that the Aboriginals who are hunting with any of these guns,

00:35:36.060 let's say it's a Stag 10 or something,

00:35:38.420 they find a suitable replacement.

00:35:43.140 So I don't think specifically it's like,

00:35:45.560 okay, all you guys are exempt.

00:35:46.480 I don't think it's really like that.

00:35:47.860 It's not that I want to defend them.

00:35:49.800 But I don't think that's the way it was framed.

00:35:52.340 And one of the other reasons why you saw this,

00:35:55.540 and you also saw a two-year amnesty,

00:35:57.620 and was overtly communicated to us during that briefing was,

00:36:01.800 the government has no plan.

00:36:04.040 They have no buyback plan.

00:36:05.260 They have no nothing.

00:36:06.100 And they had nothing to offer us.

00:36:09.020 So what they did was, you know, it's funny,

00:36:12.160 because I was doing interviews all morning,

00:36:13.500 since three in the morning this morning.

00:36:15.240 And, you know, I was asked repeatedly,

00:36:18.200 you know, what do you think of the timing of this?

00:36:20.260 And I said the timing was purely political.

00:36:22.480 The liberals are leveraging the suffering and the pain of Canadians 0.61

00:36:25.960 to limit opposition to something that they shouldn't have done in the first place.

00:36:29.300 And then the answer is, well, they promised to do this.

00:36:32.040 I'm like, yeah, five years ago, they've been promising.

00:36:34.420 But they waited till now.

00:36:35.780 And then you look at the regulation, and it's extremely rushed.

00:36:38.640 So, you know, this is the state of the Liberal government of Canada right now.

00:36:42.840 That's actually a great point you raise about the lack of a plan.

00:36:45.860 Because when Justin Trudeau was answering some of the questions,

00:36:49.840 or doing his version of that on Friday,

00:36:52.140 one of the things that he had pointed out was that we were going to be doing this anyway.

00:36:55.680 And we were just getting ready to put it out before the pandemic happened.

00:37:00.760 And you're right that if that were true, there would be a comprehensive plan,

00:37:05.440 not just a list of 1,500 guns or, you know, variants of guns just thrust out the door.

00:37:11.880 So if it were the case that this was farther along,

00:37:15.300 then why isn't there more to show for it?

00:37:18.080 Yeah, there's nothing to show for it.

00:37:19.500 It's a plan that's cobbled together.

00:37:21.920 People in our community are very detail-oriented.

00:37:24.440 I'm sure you're aware of that.

00:37:26.560 So I've seen posts on Facebook about like, well, what's AR15.com.com?

00:37:32.040 How is that an AR model of AR?

00:37:35.100 So there's all kinds of mistakes.

00:37:37.380 And there's things that are left off the list.

00:37:40.780 And it's just, yeah, it's a mess.

00:37:42.980 Very similar to a lot of things that this crew does.

00:37:47.940 But I don't know.

00:37:49.260 Again, it's all about politics.

00:37:51.720 And unfortunately, gun owners are sitting there no matter how much they comply,

00:37:56.660 no matter how rules they follow, how many rules they follow, no matter how ridiculous.

00:38:00.720 We're the whipping boy for liberals in Canada, unfortunately.

00:38:03.740 We're in a time right now of unparalleled and unrivaled economic challenge.

00:38:09.440 You've got businesses that are shutting their doors, many of which won't be able to reopen.

00:38:13.420 And gun stores have, by and large, been, I think, deemed non-essential across Canada.

00:38:18.660 You know, when a lot of them reopen, what will the economic impact be?

00:38:22.100 Or will there be an economic impact of this ban?

00:38:24.780 I don't know how much, as a percentage of gun sales, AR-15s and mini-14s are.

00:38:30.120 But are you hearing from your members, because I know you've got members who are vendors here,

00:38:33.960 that this will strain them?

00:38:37.400 Well, anything right now is a strain.

00:38:39.360 Like, literally anything.

00:38:40.660 And these are unprecedented economic times.

00:38:44.120 And I think the worst is yet to come, personally.

00:38:47.860 But I don't know.

00:38:50.220 You know, things like this.

00:38:51.320 And some people call this a knee-jerk reaction.

00:38:54.020 It's not a knee-jerk reaction.

00:38:55.840 This has been aimed at us for a long time.

00:38:58.280 They just weren't prepared to do it.

00:38:59.660 They saw their opportunity, so they took it.

00:39:02.160 I think anything that affects business volume, anything that affects consumer spending,

00:39:08.500 is going to have a terrible effect.

00:39:10.780 Everything's magnified.

00:39:11.820 Everything's compounded because of what's gone on with the COVID-19 crisis.

00:39:15.460 So it's a lose-lose for everybody.

00:39:18.880 What do you think the biggest thing missing from the discussion is?

00:39:22.500 Because I've tried to explain over the course of different times this has come up,

00:39:27.100 the problem with terms like assault rifle, assault weapon.

00:39:29.960 I know that this last week we've heard military grade more than we've heard recently.

00:39:35.160 But what do you think is really missing from this discussion that would help a lot of people

00:39:38.540 that aren't necessarily part of your world, and to a lesser extent my world,

00:39:43.140 would help them understand what's at stake here?

00:39:45.220 So that's an excellent question, and it's a critically important question to answer.

00:39:51.340 So in our community, there's some very hard questions to answer.

00:39:55.180 And what I find is after the few questions are asked and satisfactory responses are given,

00:40:01.420 it always ends up right down at the big question.

00:40:03.940 Why do you need an AR-15?

00:40:05.740 It's the hardest question to answer.

00:40:06.860 What I've been trying to explain to audiences, and just recently the CBC 12 interviews in a row,

00:40:14.820 is that what non-gun owners have to understand is that people that own guns,

00:40:22.140 and specifically expensive, very specialized niche firearms like an AR-15,

00:40:28.820 or some of the other guns on the banned list,

00:40:30.600 people that own those are very detail-oriented, law-abiding, careful, vetted individuals.

00:40:37.520 So the people that own those guns, their lives, these firearms are centric in their lives.

00:40:42.460 They're central in who they are.

00:40:44.340 So the people that they associate with, their social connections, are all gun people. 0.96

00:40:48.480 They volunteer at their own expense, built 2,000 clubs across the country.

00:40:54.060 They volunteer.

00:40:55.200 They hold charity events there.

00:40:56.200 They hold social events.

00:40:57.180 They do sports.

00:40:57.980 They create new sports.

00:40:59.080 Everything that they do in their lives have to do with their pursuit,

00:41:02.960 whether it's you're into show dogs or you're into something else or skydiving or whatever it is.

00:41:08.480 It's central to who these people are.

00:41:11.640 So when Trudeau says something like, there's no place in Canada for guns like this,

00:41:16.880 what we hear is there's no place in Canada for people.

00:41:19.800 That's what people have to understand because they don't have a factual basis to attack us because licensed gun owners do not represent a disproportionate risk to public safety.

00:41:33.820 That's proven.

00:41:34.660 In fact, I don't know if you ever saw that conversation I had with Bill Blair.

00:41:37.940 I got him to admit that.

00:41:39.320 So anyway, that's really important.

00:41:42.320 It's not just a hobby.

00:41:43.620 Go find a new hobby.

00:41:44.520 Go find a new toy.

00:41:45.540 It's not like that.

00:41:46.700 And dismissing gun owners, millions of them, by the way, dismissing them like that is just not good behavior, whether it's about guns or anything else.

00:41:54.860 Yeah, you know, what the liberals have tried to do here is draw a line in the sand and say that, you know, grandpa's lever action is not in the same class as your Mini-14 or your AR-15.

00:42:06.860 And sure, the guns are different, as many guns and variations are different.

00:42:10.660 But the line that I found the most egregious is that these serve one purpose alone and one purpose alone only, and that's killing people.

00:42:19.020 And to me, as someone who owns one of those guns, I'm like, wait, what is being said about gun owners here when the liberals say that the only purpose for these guns is killing people?

00:42:29.140 No.

00:42:29.640 I mean, that's just not true.

00:42:30.940 But you're right.

00:42:31.540 There is something egregiously offensive in that.

00:42:34.660 Well, there is.

00:42:35.520 So the full line is their firearms designs, these are guns designed to kill the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time.

00:42:44.980 And like 90% of what the Trudeau government says, people like Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair, it's an out-and-out lie.

00:42:53.660 And that's a real problem.

00:42:54.780 That's a problem for so many other reasons that we can get into later or some other time, right?

00:42:59.640 But it's a lie.

00:43:00.860 The AR-15, and I was actually wrong about this myself, was actually designed as a sporting or a hunting rifle first, and then it was adopted in the late 50s as a military rifle for the U.S. military.

00:43:10.700 Because what manufacturer doesn't want to sell their product to the military, right?

00:43:14.600 It's big dollars.

00:43:16.340 But at the same time, I want to be fair to both sides of this argument.

00:43:19.760 It doesn't matter what the origin of the firearm is.

00:43:22.180 The Remington 700 is a military sniper rifle, but it's the most important bolt-action rifle in hunting in the world.

00:43:29.740 So that's beside the point.

00:43:31.880 Now, if the only use for this gun was to kill as many people as fast as possible, then why is it being issued to the RCMP?

00:43:39.600 Is that their mandate?

00:43:40.860 If you want to look for guns that are designed for that purpose, you'll look at light machine guns, heavy machine guns, mortars.

00:43:47.440 And what I've been telling people that I've been interviewing with time and time again, an AR-15 is not a military-grade assault rifle.

00:43:56.320 Those have been banned since 1977.

00:43:57.980 This is a semi-automatic rifle only that was certified by the RCMP for safe use in Canada.

00:44:05.440 Yeah, I think that's a hugely important point.

00:44:07.740 And I think it's really necessary to get through the whole why do you need it problem.

00:44:12.720 And I mean, I've sometimes gone the philosophical route on that, which is that we aren't a needs-based society.

00:44:17.220 But you're right.

00:44:17.920 I mean, a lot of the lines that have been drawn here are very arbitrary, very disingenuous.

00:44:22.440 The one thing I would ask you in closing here, Rod, have you found, because I know you've got a lobbyist who is a fantastic advocate, Tracy Wilson,

00:44:30.360 have you found there is any willingness from anyone in the Liberals to hear you out, to sit down and take your meeting in a way that suggests they are open-minded?

00:44:38.700 So I don't include that video you did with Bill Blair here because that was more him selling rather than him buying.

00:44:44.480 But have you found anyone that you'd say was approaching this in earnest that potentially could be an advocate within the caucus?

00:44:52.040 So I'm going to say no.

00:44:53.860 The Liberals are in line because I think the Liberals, the Liberal whip does a good job in keeping everybody in line.

00:45:04.120 Even back in the C-71 days, T.J. Harvey from Eastern Canada was whipped into voting for Bill C-71, and I know that he opposed it personally.

00:45:13.920 I'm not making broad assumptions, but he did meet with us, and he knew that this was a political solution.

00:45:19.280 Again, I'm not speaking directly for him.

00:45:21.220 I want to be careful about that.

00:45:22.880 And then he chose not to vote for the election, so maybe that says something.

00:45:27.000 This is entirely ideological, and I don't want to put too fine of a point on it, but doing things the way that the Liberals are doing is incredibly divisive.

00:45:38.380 It is incredibly corrosive to national unity.

00:45:42.060 There was around 200,000 people affected by this ban, and this is not it.

00:45:46.080 This is only the beginning.

00:45:47.580 There will be no firearms by the time that they're done if they got another majority government, I assure you.

00:45:53.460 And, yeah, I don't think there's—we just have—they have to be thrown from government and a replacement put in that's going to just be fair to Canadians, not specifically just to gun owners.

00:46:03.620 Rod Giltaka, CEO and Executive Director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.

00:46:08.240 Thanks for your work, and thanks for coming on today, Rod.

00:46:10.760 Thanks, Andrew.

00:46:11.940 That does it for me.

00:46:13.240 We'll be back in another couple of days here with more of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:46:17.740 This is The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:46:19.280 Thank you, God bless, and good day, Canada.

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Juno News - May 04, 2020

Scapegoating Lawful Gun Owners

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