Scott Aitchison says Canada must recognize Taiwan as a country
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I had the chance to sit down with Scott Aitchison the day after the leadership debate, at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference in Ottawa, to discuss his thoughts on the debate and what he's learned from it.
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I had the chance to, at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference, sit down with Scott
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Aitchison. This was the day after the debate. It was great. I got to see Leslie Lewis and Roman
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Babber as I shared my chats with them in the previous show, and also Scott. Now, Scott, I
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should say, not a front runner in terms of name recognition, but has run a really policy-heavy
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campaign that's touching on a lot of things like ending supply management, which I just
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so desperately wish other people would take up. I know it's like a strange hill to die
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on, but believe me, it's important. All of these free market people that were just twisting
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themselves into pretzels in Edmonton to say, well, maybe we don't need a free market when
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we're talking about dairy and poultry, but everything else, free market. But also on foreign policy,
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which we touched on a little bit in this chat. So this is my interview recorded in Ottawa with
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Scott Aitchison. Joining me now is Conservative leadership candidate Scott Aitchison. Scott,
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good to talk to you again in person this time. Great to be here. Yeah, thank you. So let's start
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with the debate last night. This was the first official opportunity that all of the, well,
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almost all of the candidates were on stage together in this leadership race. I know there's a lot of
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prep that goes into it, but looking back now with a day's hindsight, what was your feeling about it?
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Well, I spoke about last night, actually, that there's a lot of division and a lot of rancor and
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sort of, you know, visceral partisan rhetoric back and forth and the tax. And I think that that's
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actually bad for our party. It's bad for our politics. And I tried to try to lead by example
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by being respectful. And I think we need to talk about ideas and not each other. Now, I mean,
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your approach, and we heard this in your opening statement was, and I'm crudely paraphrasing it,
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but it was, can't we all get along? I mean, you were really pitching unity. And is that enough of
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a message? Well, certainly not for the whole race. I mean, I'm obviously talking about policy ideas as
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well. Last night, of course, we were responding to questions, but the questions, you know, seem to
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lead to every other candidate talking about each other, which was my point that, you know, we've
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got to stop attacking each other, start talking about ideas and, you know, present those to Canadians
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in a way that they can trust us to lead and govern. I know historically in leadership races or at the
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local level nomination races, you, you get these sometimes bare knuckle brawls, but they're always
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done respectfully. And at the end of it, everyone shakes hands and work together. Is your concern that
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that can't happen or won't happen after this race? No, it can happen. But we have to choose to make it
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happen. I used to say this all the time when I was mayor of Huntsville. I led a council that was engaged
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and, you know, we would have some knock down, drag them out battles over issues and in the council
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chamber, but we always would leave and, and we'd be friends. I would argue, you know, you can disagree
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without being disagreeable. We'd often go for a pint after the council meeting just to say, you know what,
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we can be on different sides of an issue, but at the end of the day, we're all here to move Huntsville
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forward. And that's the same, same thing here. We are all here. Every single candidate up there last night,
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you know, they're not taking time away from their families and their lives to do this for the, you know, just the good of
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their health or for their entertainment value. They're here because they really truly believe in what
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they're doing. They want to make our party better. They want to make our country better. So we need
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to stop attacking each other and focus on ideas and that moves our party forward. It actually helps
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us expand the tent and it helps us build trust with, you know, Canadians in those places where we haven't
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been winning and we need to win. What are the ideas that you feel need to be front and center in the
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race that aren't? Well, I think we need to be talking a little bit more about our foreign policy.
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Under the last seven years of the Trudeau government, I think Canada, we're a bit of an embarrassment on
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the world stage. We're not a reliable partner and we need to be spending 2% of our GDP on our defense
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system. I mean, NATO, we haven't lived up to our commitments in NATO almost since the inception of
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the organization. And our allies are forming new partnerships and new alliances without us because
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we're just not showing up. And so we obviously need to spend more on defense and we need to have a more
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principled stand on, you know, issues like Huawei, for example. We didn't ban Huawei. We've got to
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stop dithering on these things. We need, you know, we've got to stand up to, you know, countries like
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the, like China and their, and their communist regime and their bullying. And, you know, it's a
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security threat. We've got to stop dithering on these issues. We've got to, and so these are issues
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that I think conservatives can lead on and should be leading on. We should be talking about them.
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Canadians want to hear about these issues. But when we're just busy attacking each other,
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we're not talking about those ideas. And those are the things we need to be discussing.
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So just on the, on the defense funding there and NATO spending, do I take from that that an
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NHSN budget brings defense up to 2% of Canada's GDP? Absolutely. And when you talk about Canadian
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leadership, I mean, Canada failed to secure a seat on the United Nations Security Council
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after relentless lobbying and campaigning by the Prime Minister on that. I know there was a story in
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Bloomberg some time ago about how the Prime Minister was trying to be the one to broker the EU
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Northern Ireland deal. And again, no one was taking the call. No one wanted Canada to play
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a role. The Foreign Minister, Melanie Jolie, has talked about how our place is convening,
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but no one seems to want to sit at the table. So how do you restore Canada's legitimacy on the
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foreign stage when people have tried it? I mean, that was Justin Trudeau's big pitch,
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Canada's back. How do you do that though? Yeah, but Justin didn't really try it at all.
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He thought he could just charm the world with his name and, you know, and that would somehow do
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something. We have to be a reliable partner. I mean, we need to live up to our commitments in
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NATO. We need to live up to our commitments on foreign aid. These are, you know, countries that
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are going to rely on Canada. And if they can't rely on Canada, no matter how much charm offensive
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Justin Trudeau does around the world, they're not going to care. And so principled leadership
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and building the relationships that we need to build around the world. Prime Minister Mulroney was a
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master at it. He built relationships with world leaders all over the globe and Canada had a really
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valuable presence and a voice in the world when he was Prime Minister because of the power of his
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personal relationships. You know, we got to back up what we say with real dollars, real investment.
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We got to stop playing games with procurement for our military. The whole procurement for fighter jets
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has been a joke. It's been an embarrassment. You know, the process to try to get the shipbuilding strategy
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up and going. Thankfully, Prime Minister Harper started that program, and now it's going. We
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need to maintain that now. I tell people, you know, it's not rocket science, actually. Well,
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in some cases, maybe it is rocket science. But this is really no different than a municipal mayor
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putting together a procurement plan for a fire truck. You know, I don't argue with the fire chief
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on how many pumps that truck needs. He tells me what we need to serve the needs of our community,
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tells me it's going to cost us much money, and I need it by this date. And so we put money away,
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prepare for it, get ready, and we have a whole plan to replace that vehicle when the time comes.
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It's a capital asset management plan. Let's take the politics out of it and just get it done.
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You mentioned China earlier. What would you take as your position on Taiwan, which has been,
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in a lot of cases, a sticking point where no one in the world, I should say few people in the world,
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are prepared to really deal with this head on? Well, I think it's time for us to be honest. I mean,
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the one China policy is, it's not really true. It's not happening. Taiwan is a vibrant democratic
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country. It's a market country, capitalist country. We need to recognize Taiwan for the beacon of
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freedom that it is. And I think it's time for us to recognize them. You know, Taiwan has said they
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would like to be members of the World Health Organization. I think we need to recognize
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that. It's time for us to stop sort of dancing around at. That's another way that Canada can
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have a principled stance in the world. If we're going to be champions of freedom, then let's stand
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up for those countries that are crying out for their own freedom.
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Now, would that basically be recognizing Taiwan as an independent sovereign state?
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Yes, absolutely. Is that a position that would be disqualifying to a large section of voters? I mean,
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we saw in the last election how there were concerns by some of your former colleagues that Chinese
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influence campaigns were being run against people for their positions. I don't think that leaders take
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positions based on the politics of it. Leaders do what's right, even when it's hard. Another foreign
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policy question. Would you relocate Canada's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem? Absolutely. Israel is
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a most vibrant democracy. It's the only democracy in the Middle East. It's a vibrant, multicultural
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nation. They are an important ally of Canada's. Jerusalem is the capital, and absolutely our embassy
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should be there. I know the interim leader, Candice Bergen, in her video remarks this morning mentioned
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that a flat tax is a policy that would be a legitimate, viable conservative policy. And I don't want to
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write your platform for you. But have you given any thought to some of these larger structural issues
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that deal in the tax system? Yeah, we'll have a lot more to say about tax in the coming days.
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Obviously, what I have talked about so far is eliminating the carbon tax. Fundamentally, this comes
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down to affordability for Canadians. That's, I think, the most important issue we need to address.
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And if there are changes we can make to our tax system to help make life more affordable for Canadians,
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we need to seriously look at that. I find that, I mean, in the past, this was something that
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the Conservative government editor Stephen Harper did with a lot of the boutique tax credits, which
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certainly make for good politics. But at the end, I don't feel they simplify the tax system for large
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sections of Canadians. Is that something that you'd like to see, a tax system that's a lot simpler?
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Yeah, simpler. But we really do need to do a proper review of it, right? You don't make tax policy,
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I think, on the fly. I think some thorough analysis and some, you know, some real work going into it,
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and some thoughtful discussion about it is important. So I guess one thing I'd ask you,
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just while you're here, looking around at this conference, we haven't had one in the last two
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years, because of COVID. What's your assessment of the state of the Conservative movement right now?
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Well, I think there's, there's some fault lines. But I think that's one of the reasons why it's
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important for us to talk about coming together. I said over and over again, that unity isn't uniformity.
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We don't all have to agree, we don't have to all believe the same thing. We have to listen to each
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other. We have to respect each other. I think Conservatives, the movement is, they're craving
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that conversation. I was chatting with the organizers yesterday, and they didn't just sell out,
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they oversold. It's great. It's great to see as many people here as there are. They want to have
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that conversation. I think that those of us running in the leadership race should respect that and have
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a conversation instead of attacking each other. Scott Acheson, thank you. My pleasure, thanks.
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