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Scott Aitchison says Canada must recognize Taiwan as a country


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I had the chance to sit down with Scott Aitchison the day after the leadership debate, at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference in Ottawa, to discuss his thoughts on the debate and what he's learned from it.

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00:00:00.000 I had the chance to, at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference, sit down with Scott
00:00:13.300 Aitchison. This was the day after the debate. It was great. I got to see Leslie Lewis and Roman
00:00:18.680 Babber as I shared my chats with them in the previous show, and also Scott. Now, Scott, I
00:00:22.940 should say, not a front runner in terms of name recognition, but has run a really policy-heavy
00:00:28.600 campaign that's touching on a lot of things like ending supply management, which I just
00:00:33.300 so desperately wish other people would take up. I know it's like a strange hill to die
00:00:37.240 on, but believe me, it's important. All of these free market people that were just twisting
00:00:41.200 themselves into pretzels in Edmonton to say, well, maybe we don't need a free market when
00:00:45.820 we're talking about dairy and poultry, but everything else, free market. But also on foreign policy,
00:00:50.640 which we touched on a little bit in this chat. So this is my interview recorded in Ottawa with
00:00:55.600 Scott Aitchison. Joining me now is Conservative leadership candidate Scott Aitchison. Scott,
00:01:00.440 good to talk to you again in person this time. Great to be here. Yeah, thank you. So let's start
00:01:04.800 with the debate last night. This was the first official opportunity that all of the, well,
00:01:08.660 almost all of the candidates were on stage together in this leadership race. I know there's a lot of
00:01:13.720 prep that goes into it, but looking back now with a day's hindsight, what was your feeling about it?
00:01:19.080 Well, I spoke about last night, actually, that there's a lot of division and a lot of rancor and
00:01:23.420 sort of, you know, visceral partisan rhetoric back and forth and the tax. And I think that that's
00:01:29.180 actually bad for our party. It's bad for our politics. And I tried to try to lead by example
00:01:34.300 by being respectful. And I think we need to talk about ideas and not each other. Now, I mean,
00:01:39.280 your approach, and we heard this in your opening statement was, and I'm crudely paraphrasing it,
00:01:44.160 but it was, can't we all get along? I mean, you were really pitching unity. And is that enough of
00:01:48.520 a message? Well, certainly not for the whole race. I mean, I'm obviously talking about policy ideas as
00:01:55.140 well. Last night, of course, we were responding to questions, but the questions, you know, seem to
00:02:00.300 lead to every other candidate talking about each other, which was my point that, you know, we've
00:02:05.660 got to stop attacking each other, start talking about ideas and, you know, present those to Canadians
00:02:10.260 in a way that they can trust us to lead and govern. I know historically in leadership races or at the
00:02:15.380 local level nomination races, you, you get these sometimes bare knuckle brawls, but they're always
00:02:19.980 done respectfully. And at the end of it, everyone shakes hands and work together. Is your concern that
00:02:25.180 that can't happen or won't happen after this race? No, it can happen. But we have to choose to make it 0.81
00:02:30.740 happen. I used to say this all the time when I was mayor of Huntsville. I led a council that was engaged
00:02:35.580 and, you know, we would have some knock down, drag them out battles over issues and in the council
00:02:40.300 chamber, but we always would leave and, and we'd be friends. I would argue, you know, you can disagree
00:02:45.680 without being disagreeable. We'd often go for a pint after the council meeting just to say, you know what,
00:02:50.600 we can be on different sides of an issue, but at the end of the day, we're all here to move Huntsville
00:02:54.380 forward. And that's the same, same thing here. We are all here. Every single candidate up there last night,
00:03:00.380 you know, they're not taking time away from their families and their lives to do this for the, you know, just the good of
00:03:06.180 their health or for their entertainment value. They're here because they really truly believe in what
00:03:09.400 they're doing. They want to make our party better. They want to make our country better. So we need
00:03:13.540 to stop attacking each other and focus on ideas and that moves our party forward. It actually helps
00:03:19.840 us expand the tent and it helps us build trust with, you know, Canadians in those places where we haven't
00:03:25.160 been winning and we need to win. What are the ideas that you feel need to be front and center in the
00:03:30.180 race that aren't? Well, I think we need to be talking a little bit more about our foreign policy.
00:03:34.380 Under the last seven years of the Trudeau government, I think Canada, we're a bit of an embarrassment on
00:03:39.820 the world stage. We're not a reliable partner and we need to be spending 2% of our GDP on our defense
00:03:46.340 system. I mean, NATO, we haven't lived up to our commitments in NATO almost since the inception of
00:03:51.560 the organization. And our allies are forming new partnerships and new alliances without us because
00:03:56.740 we're just not showing up. And so we obviously need to spend more on defense and we need to have a more
00:04:02.440 principled stand on, you know, issues like Huawei, for example. We didn't ban Huawei. We've got to
00:04:08.740 stop dithering on these things. We need, you know, we've got to stand up to, you know, countries like
00:04:13.760 the, like China and their, and their communist regime and their bullying. And, you know, it's a 0.81
00:04:17.740 security threat. We've got to stop dithering on these issues. We've got to, and so these are issues
00:04:21.320 that I think conservatives can lead on and should be leading on. We should be talking about them.
00:04:26.840 Canadians want to hear about these issues. But when we're just busy attacking each other,
00:04:30.280 we're not talking about those ideas. And those are the things we need to be discussing.
00:04:32.920 So just on the, on the defense funding there and NATO spending, do I take from that that an
00:04:38.140 NHSN budget brings defense up to 2% of Canada's GDP? Absolutely. And when you talk about Canadian
00:04:43.200 leadership, I mean, Canada failed to secure a seat on the United Nations Security Council
00:04:47.500 after relentless lobbying and campaigning by the Prime Minister on that. I know there was a story in
00:04:53.760 Bloomberg some time ago about how the Prime Minister was trying to be the one to broker the EU
00:04:58.640 Northern Ireland deal. And again, no one was taking the call. No one wanted Canada to play
00:05:02.960 a role. The Foreign Minister, Melanie Jolie, has talked about how our place is convening,
00:05:06.960 but no one seems to want to sit at the table. So how do you restore Canada's legitimacy on the
00:05:11.920 foreign stage when people have tried it? I mean, that was Justin Trudeau's big pitch,
00:05:15.520 Canada's back. How do you do that though? Yeah, but Justin didn't really try it at all.
00:05:20.960 He thought he could just charm the world with his name and, you know, and that would somehow do
00:05:25.440 something. We have to be a reliable partner. I mean, we need to live up to our commitments in
00:05:30.480 NATO. We need to live up to our commitments on foreign aid. These are, you know, countries that
00:05:35.520 are going to rely on Canada. And if they can't rely on Canada, no matter how much charm offensive
00:05:41.200 Justin Trudeau does around the world, they're not going to care. And so principled leadership
00:05:46.000 and building the relationships that we need to build around the world. Prime Minister Mulroney was a
00:05:50.320 master at it. He built relationships with world leaders all over the globe and Canada had a really
00:05:56.800 valuable presence and a voice in the world when he was Prime Minister because of the power of his
00:06:00.400 personal relationships. You know, we got to back up what we say with real dollars, real investment.
00:06:07.760 We got to stop playing games with procurement for our military. The whole procurement for fighter jets
00:06:13.920 has been a joke. It's been an embarrassment. You know, the process to try to get the shipbuilding strategy
00:06:19.120 up and going. Thankfully, Prime Minister Harper started that program, and now it's going. We
00:06:23.040 need to maintain that now. I tell people, you know, it's not rocket science, actually. Well,
00:06:29.440 in some cases, maybe it is rocket science. But this is really no different than a municipal mayor
00:06:34.640 putting together a procurement plan for a fire truck. You know, I don't argue with the fire chief
00:06:39.200 on how many pumps that truck needs. He tells me what we need to serve the needs of our community,
00:06:42.960 tells me it's going to cost us much money, and I need it by this date. And so we put money away,
00:06:47.600 prepare for it, get ready, and we have a whole plan to replace that vehicle when the time comes.
00:06:52.480 It's a capital asset management plan. Let's take the politics out of it and just get it done. 0.78
00:06:56.640 You mentioned China earlier. What would you take as your position on Taiwan, which has been,
00:07:01.520 in a lot of cases, a sticking point where no one in the world, I should say few people in the world,
00:07:05.840 are prepared to really deal with this head on? Well, I think it's time for us to be honest. I mean,
00:07:10.640 the one China policy is, it's not really true. It's not happening. Taiwan is a vibrant democratic
00:07:20.240 country. It's a market country, capitalist country. We need to recognize Taiwan for the beacon of
00:07:29.200 freedom that it is. And I think it's time for us to recognize them. You know, Taiwan has said they
00:07:34.960 would like to be members of the World Health Organization. I think we need to recognize
00:07:39.840 that. It's time for us to stop sort of dancing around at. That's another way that Canada can
00:07:45.200 have a principled stance in the world. If we're going to be champions of freedom, then let's stand
00:07:49.440 up for those countries that are crying out for their own freedom.
00:07:51.680 Now, would that basically be recognizing Taiwan as an independent sovereign state?
00:07:56.320 Yes, absolutely. Is that a position that would be disqualifying to a large section of voters? I mean,
00:08:03.840 we saw in the last election how there were concerns by some of your former colleagues that Chinese
00:08:10.320 influence campaigns were being run against people for their positions. I don't think that leaders take
00:08:15.600 positions based on the politics of it. Leaders do what's right, even when it's hard. Another foreign 1.00
00:08:21.600 policy question. Would you relocate Canada's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem? Absolutely. Israel is
00:08:27.840 a most vibrant democracy. It's the only democracy in the Middle East. It's a vibrant, multicultural
00:08:33.360 nation. They are an important ally of Canada's. Jerusalem is the capital, and absolutely our embassy
00:08:39.680 should be there. I know the interim leader, Candice Bergen, in her video remarks this morning mentioned
00:08:45.440 that a flat tax is a policy that would be a legitimate, viable conservative policy. And I don't want to
00:08:50.880 write your platform for you. But have you given any thought to some of these larger structural issues
00:08:56.560 that deal in the tax system? Yeah, we'll have a lot more to say about tax in the coming days.
00:09:01.920 Obviously, what I have talked about so far is eliminating the carbon tax. Fundamentally, this comes
00:09:07.120 down to affordability for Canadians. That's, I think, the most important issue we need to address.
00:09:11.360 And if there are changes we can make to our tax system to help make life more affordable for Canadians,
00:09:15.600 we need to seriously look at that. I find that, I mean, in the past, this was something that
00:09:19.600 the Conservative government editor Stephen Harper did with a lot of the boutique tax credits, which
00:09:23.920 certainly make for good politics. But at the end, I don't feel they simplify the tax system for large
00:09:29.120 sections of Canadians. Is that something that you'd like to see, a tax system that's a lot simpler?
00:09:34.240 Yeah, simpler. But we really do need to do a proper review of it, right? You don't make tax policy,
00:09:40.960 I think, on the fly. I think some thorough analysis and some, you know, some real work going into it,
00:09:46.240 and some thoughtful discussion about it is important. So I guess one thing I'd ask you,
00:09:50.080 just while you're here, looking around at this conference, we haven't had one in the last two
00:09:53.760 years, because of COVID. What's your assessment of the state of the Conservative movement right now?
00:09:58.240 Well, I think there's, there's some fault lines. But I think that's one of the reasons why it's
00:10:02.240 important for us to talk about coming together. I said over and over again, that unity isn't uniformity.
00:10:06.800 We don't all have to agree, we don't have to all believe the same thing. We have to listen to each
00:10:10.880 other. We have to respect each other. I think Conservatives, the movement is, they're craving
00:10:16.160 that conversation. I was chatting with the organizers yesterday, and they didn't just sell out,
00:10:22.320 they oversold. It's great. It's great to see as many people here as there are. They want to have
00:10:28.080 that conversation. I think that those of us running in the leadership race should respect that and have
00:10:32.800 a conversation instead of attacking each other. Scott Acheson, thank you. My pleasure, thanks.
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