Juno News - She sells seashells to she-cover from the she-cession

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.540 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.740 Coming up, it's day four of election 44.

00:00:16.100 We talk about Justin Trudeau's rocky start, the conservative platform,

00:00:19.700 and lots of the big picture themes emerging so far.

00:00:24.520 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to another episode of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:35.680 This is the Andrew Lawton Show on Wednesday, August 18th, 2021,

00:00:40.540 day four of the 44th general election campaign,

00:00:44.760 and it hasn't exactly gone as planned for Justin Trudeau.

00:00:49.260 I think a lot of people were, in the course of the last few weeks and months,

00:00:53.820 as election speculation was kicking into gear,

00:00:56.600 were thinking, oh yeah, this is just going to be a Trudeau majority.

00:01:00.280 And never underestimate what low expectations can accomplish

00:01:04.340 when it comes to campaigns and momentum.

00:01:07.320 Aaron O'Toole, because a lot of people had kind of assumed,

00:01:09.720 oh yeah, the election's done, it doesn't really matter,

00:01:12.060 all he had to do was come out in a very solid and clear way

00:01:15.740 and deliver a message, have a message,

00:01:18.280 and all of a sudden things are in a little bit of the wheelhouse.

00:01:22.660 If you look at some of the latest polls,

00:01:23.940 I don't like doing the total horse race stuff,

00:01:26.240 but the Conservatives are within a fighting chance of victory,

00:01:29.820 the Liberals are within fighting chance of victory,

00:01:31.980 the NDP are, well, they're here.

00:01:35.620 I will say, though, the NDP is seeing a bit of an uptick,

00:01:38.820 but a lot of the time this only comes in the campaign.

00:01:42.540 And then right before election day, people realize,

00:01:44.560 oh my God, what are we thinking?

00:01:45.360 We're not going to vote NDP.

00:01:46.400 And then they go right back down

00:01:47.700 to their natural resting place in the polls.

00:01:50.680 If you were following me on social media

00:01:53.180 or following our coverage of the election over at True North,

00:01:56.120 you'll know that I was on the campaign trail for a couple of days.

00:01:59.900 I'm back at home now and we'll be back out in the coming days

00:02:03.740 doing a bit of a combination.

00:02:05.740 When there's news happening on the road, I will be there.

00:02:08.420 When we want to break things down and get on top of what's happening,

00:02:11.960 we will be back in the studio.

00:02:13.940 And thankfully, it's only a 36-day campaign,

00:02:16.100 so I shouldn't be as crazy as last time was,

00:02:20.080 which I don't need to rehash now.

00:02:21.720 But if you've followed me for a while,

00:02:23.680 you'll no doubt know how crazy the 2019 election was

00:02:26.540 and just still have some PTSD from that.

00:02:30.460 I'm going to talk about some of the themes

00:02:32.240 that have come out in the campaign so far.

00:02:34.560 But I want to begin...

00:02:36.060 Hang on.

00:02:36.620 Before I get into the really fun stuff,

00:02:38.240 before I get into the really important stuff, rather,

00:02:40.500 I have to talk about this clip.

00:02:42.200 Justin Trudeau decided that he was going to take aim

00:02:46.000 at the greatest threat facing Canadians,

00:02:49.520 the she-cession. 0.94

00:02:52.700 Well, why don't I let him explain?

00:02:54.940 It is exactly the example of the kinds of things you need to do

00:03:00.140 to counter the she-cession and turn it into a she-covery. 1.00

00:03:05.940 Fact is, the Conservatives don't talk about that

00:03:09.480 in their lengthy platform.

00:03:12.200 So we're in the midst of a she-cession, 1.00

00:03:15.760 which calls for a she-covery. 1.00

00:03:18.840 And that is the whole shebang.

00:03:21.020 She sells seashells to get herself out of the she-cession 1.00

00:03:24.500 on the seashore, I believe is how the modern adaptation

00:03:28.280 of that old tongue twister goes.

00:03:31.100 And it's funny.

00:03:31.800 He fumbled it.

00:03:33.040 He couldn't even get the word out without screwing it up.

00:03:35.520 He was like the she-cession. 1.00

00:03:38.360 And listen, it's easy to fumble things like that.

00:03:41.060 But if you're going to commit to a path

00:03:43.280 that involves you using these ridiculous made-up phrases,

00:03:47.900 you want to do it right.

00:03:50.780 You want to do it right.

00:03:51.640 I remember years ago, Stephen Harper,

00:03:53.380 when the Liberals were pushing the green shift,

00:03:55.900 Stephen Harper had this line that he dropped called

00:03:58.180 Shift Happens.

00:03:59.100 And again, you get one shot at doing the line right,

00:04:02.540 and you can't mess it up.

00:04:03.540 And he didn't mess it up.

00:04:04.600 And then he joked after about how you got one shot,

00:04:06.860 which was one of those rarer moments

00:04:08.840 when Stephen Harper let his guard down.

00:04:10.820 But Trudeau's there promising a she-covery 0.98

00:04:13.580 to get out of the she-cession. 1.00

00:04:15.760 Well, I'm thinking like, sheesh,

00:04:17.160 what bull she is this talking about? 0.99

00:04:19.560 But interestingly enough,

00:04:21.740 I'm seeing on Twitter, no one likes it.

00:04:25.020 Even women, the ones who are supposedly being 1.00

00:04:27.360 the beneficiaries, or the beneficiaries,

00:04:30.700 I suppose, of the she-covery are thinking, 0.98

00:04:33.860 oh my God, no, this don't, like,

00:04:35.620 we didn't ask for this.

00:04:36.620 Don't blame us for this.

00:04:37.960 This is, but this is what happens

00:04:39.560 when you make identity politics and virtue signaling

00:04:42.300 the cornerstone of your campaign.

00:04:45.840 Now, interestingly enough,

00:04:47.320 Trudeau is not the first person

00:04:48.620 to come up with she-cession. 0.99

00:04:50.400 I haven't heard she-covery in the past.

00:04:52.640 So maybe he was moonlighting on that one.

00:04:54.400 I don't know.

00:04:55.500 Chrystia Sheeland was there as well at,

00:04:57.740 where were they?

00:04:58.260 They were in Markham.

00:04:58.920 I can't make a joke about Markham.

00:05:00.740 If only they were in, like,

00:05:02.680 oh no, see, now I can't think of a city

00:05:04.120 that has, like, a she in it.

00:05:06.120 They were in, like, Sheboygan.

00:05:07.580 That's in, like, northern Ontario or something.

00:05:09.600 Anyway, what's gonna happen here

00:05:11.980 is that the liberals are gonna continue to do this.

00:05:14.920 I mean, when Justin Trudeau talks like this,

00:05:17.500 it's, like, reminiscent of the whole

00:05:19.040 drink box, water, box, bottle sort of thing.

00:05:21.680 You remember that?

00:05:22.660 And what I would say is that

00:05:24.960 this is why letting Justin Trudeau speak,

00:05:28.520 in a lot of cases,

00:05:29.420 is, like, the greatest asset to conservatives.

00:05:33.640 Because the more he talks,

00:05:35.200 the more he does something like this,

00:05:36.880 like the old people-kind thing, 0.98

00:05:38.800 which became just a mockery around the world,

00:05:41.640 and for good reason.

00:05:43.860 But let's talk about the context of this.

00:05:46.040 The policy announcement was a policy

00:05:48.540 that the liberals have been pushing

00:05:49.680 since the federal budget

00:05:50.800 for $10 a day childcare for parents.

00:05:54.200 Now, if you are a parent,

00:05:55.680 you know how expensive childcare is.

00:05:57.220 You know that getting back to work

00:05:58.460 involves having to have childcare.

00:06:00.720 For a lot of parents,

00:06:01.780 they can't afford to go to work

00:06:03.000 because it just doesn't work out financially.

00:06:05.860 So, $10 a day childcare sounds great.

00:06:08.680 The problem is the liberal plan

00:06:10.360 doesn't guarantee $10 a day childcare.

00:06:13.180 It creates a number of childcare spots

00:06:16.120 that will allow some parents to access it,

00:06:20.000 while others won't.

00:06:20.980 And they say an average cost of $10 a day.

00:06:24.160 Again, it's not entirely clear

00:06:25.880 what the range will be.

00:06:28.800 But what's gonna happen here

00:06:30.140 is that only some parents

00:06:32.140 will be able to access

00:06:33.100 these liberal childcare spots.

00:06:34.860 Because what the liberal plan is,

00:06:36.880 is to create government childcare spots,

00:06:40.600 government childcare spaces.

00:06:42.460 The conservative plan

00:06:43.780 is what you'd expect

00:06:45.400 from a conservative platform.

00:06:46.960 They say, no, no, no,

00:06:47.680 we're gonna give the money to the parents,

00:06:49.380 let them find existing childcare,

00:06:51.360 basically make 75% of the childcare cost,

00:06:54.340 especially for lower income people,

00:06:56.280 a tax deductible.

00:06:57.480 That's what the conservatives are trying to do.

00:06:59.560 And again, people can debate

00:07:00.540 which childcare plan is better.

00:07:02.220 That's fine.

00:07:02.740 I'm not an expert in the area.

00:07:04.000 But they both are trying to deal

00:07:06.620 with the same problem.

00:07:08.580 And they both have different ways of doing it.

00:07:11.720 And Justin Trudeau's answer to this

00:07:13.660 is, oh, well,

00:07:14.480 the conservatives don't care about women. 1.00

00:07:17.480 The conservatives,

00:07:17.900 and interesting,

00:07:19.080 he's making a serious point,

00:07:20.540 not an accurate point,

00:07:21.420 but a serious point

00:07:22.380 that he cheapens

00:07:23.560 by using these made up buzzwords

00:07:25.760 of the she session

00:07:26.620 and the she coverie

00:07:27.900 and all of that.

00:07:28.460 And what I would say

00:07:30.240 is that he's going

00:07:32.000 to the only trick he knows,

00:07:34.340 which is invoking

00:07:36.280 this conservative boogeyman

00:07:38.120 type scenario.

00:07:39.260 In his remarks,

00:07:40.820 he not only mentioned Stephen Harper,

00:07:43.220 who is three leaders,

00:07:44.420 actually four leaders old now,

00:07:45.780 because after Stephen Harper,

00:07:47.600 you had then Ron Ambrose

00:07:49.380 as an interim leader,

00:07:50.360 then you had Andrew Scheer,

00:07:51.440 and then you had Aaron O'Toole.

00:07:52.640 So you have in this

00:07:54.540 a leader that is nowhere near

00:07:57.060 the top of the party

00:07:58.500 because he's not even a part

00:07:59.820 of the party apparatus anymore

00:08:01.360 in that sense.

00:08:02.520 And Trudeau still tries

00:08:04.120 to sort of like invoke

00:08:05.300 that Harper is just lurking 0.99

00:08:06.480 around every corner,

00:08:07.600 which, I mean,

00:08:08.280 a lot of conservatives

00:08:08.900 would probably be quite pleased with.

00:08:11.260 And then he does this.

00:08:12.620 And this is how you know

00:08:13.780 he's losing.

00:08:14.460 Les Canadiens ont travaillé trop fort

00:08:16.760 pour retourner l'austérité

00:08:18.740 et les résultats ratés des années Harper.

00:08:21.140 On austerity of the Harper years,

00:08:24.900 they worked too hard

00:08:26.260 in order to be taken aback,

00:08:28.480 taken back by the Conservative Party.

00:08:31.840 And so they would not want

00:08:35.500 to let their MPs vote

00:08:38.540 against the right to choice,

00:08:41.380 to a choice for women. 1.00

00:08:42.800 This is what voting conservatives mean.

00:08:46.400 Ah, yes.

00:08:47.280 We're talking about childcare.

00:08:49.000 We're talking about the economy.

00:08:51.020 And all of a sudden,

00:08:51.700 it becomes about abortion,

00:08:53.460 which doesn't really work

00:08:55.260 as an attack with Aaron O'Toole

00:08:56.860 because he is one of the most

00:08:59.300 clearly pro-choice leaders

00:09:01.940 the Conservatives have ever had.

00:09:04.060 And people in the party

00:09:05.100 can debate and discuss

00:09:05.980 that all they want.

00:09:06.680 But he's been immensely clear

00:09:07.820 about where he stands on this.

00:09:09.260 But that's all the liberals have.

00:09:11.020 Yeah, when Trudeau's back

00:09:11.960 is up against the wall,

00:09:12.900 when the liberals are

00:09:13.920 kind of in a corner,

00:09:14.800 it's like Harper.

00:09:17.440 And then that doesn't work.

00:09:18.320 It's like abortion.

00:09:20.400 And then that doesn't work.

00:09:21.680 And it's she session.

00:09:23.920 Yeah, that's the one she session.

00:09:25.240 So again, they have no message.

00:09:27.160 And this has been

00:09:27.820 one of the fascinating developments.

00:09:29.240 And when I talked earlier

00:09:30.200 in the show about how

00:09:32.020 basically the liberals

00:09:33.380 have gone from everyone

00:09:34.720 assuming they're going

00:09:35.440 to coast to victory

00:09:36.340 to now being in a situation

00:09:38.420 where there is a bit

00:09:39.560 of a horse race there,

00:09:40.720 a lot of this has been

00:09:42.100 because the liberals

00:09:43.100 do not have a message.

00:09:45.580 And there's no excuse for...

00:09:47.260 I shouldn't say that.

00:09:48.280 There's...

00:09:48.720 In one way,

00:09:49.800 there's no excuse for them

00:09:50.760 to have a message,

00:09:51.700 not have a message

00:09:52.480 because they knew

00:09:53.240 when the election was coming.

00:09:54.720 Everyone else was speculating.

00:09:56.380 The liberals knew.

00:09:57.300 They could have called it

00:09:58.240 at any point.

00:09:59.380 They chose to call it now.

00:10:00.800 They've had the benefit

00:10:01.620 of planning for it.

00:10:03.760 So in that sense,

00:10:05.200 they should have a message.

00:10:06.460 But the flip side

00:10:07.760 is that this is an election

00:10:09.180 that in a lot of ways

00:10:10.440 is going to be defined

00:10:11.400 by externalities.

00:10:12.920 Two in particular.

00:10:13.840 Number one, COVID.

00:10:15.100 Number two, Afghanistan.

00:10:17.320 Now, COVID was entirely predictable

00:10:19.560 for the liberals.

00:10:20.340 They should have known

00:10:21.000 because their own

00:10:22.040 public health advisor,

00:10:23.220 Teresa Tam,

00:10:23.880 has been saying,

00:10:24.420 oh, the fourth wave

00:10:25.120 or fourth wave is underway.

00:10:26.580 And then they thought,

00:10:27.620 now seems like a good enough time

00:10:29.460 for an election.

00:10:31.420 Afghanistan,

00:10:32.300 we've seen this coming

00:10:33.820 for a few weeks now.

00:10:35.020 They certainly could have pulled it.

00:10:37.060 But the complete collapse

00:10:38.460 of the Afghanistan government

00:10:39.980 in the week leading up

00:10:41.480 to the election call,

00:10:43.320 you'd think would have caused

00:10:45.880 some reevaluation

00:10:47.080 from the government,

00:10:48.160 from the liberals of,

00:10:49.300 okay, well, you know,

00:10:50.520 this is something

00:10:51.040 that we're probably going to be

00:10:52.040 facing a lot of questions about.

00:10:54.400 And here's the thing.

00:10:55.860 In a situation like that,

00:10:57.760 the liberals could benefit tremendously

00:10:59.500 if they were on the ball,

00:11:02.020 if they had an actual plan.

00:11:03.840 But they don't.

00:11:05.740 They don't have a plan.

00:11:06.680 They're floundering.

00:11:07.680 There is confusion

00:11:08.760 about whether Canadians

00:11:10.020 are even able to get out

00:11:10.960 of the country.

00:11:11.560 There's confusion

00:11:12.200 about all of these Afghan nationals

00:11:15.180 who were supporting

00:11:16.080 the Canadian mission.

00:11:17.160 Also Gurkhas from Nepal and India

00:11:19.660 who are not able

00:11:21.040 to get access to Canada

00:11:22.560 and are now dealing with

00:11:24.240 a life that is in peril

00:11:25.920 from the Taliban,

00:11:27.840 which has very quickly taken over

00:11:29.280 and had a press conference.

00:11:30.880 Yeah, the Taliban 0.68

00:11:31.520 had a press conference.

00:11:32.900 They've done more

00:11:35.020 than Joe Biden has

00:11:35.960 on the Afghanistan crisis,

00:11:37.200 as I've seen a couple of people

00:11:38.460 point out on Twitter.

00:11:41.120 So what's happening here

00:11:42.340 is Justin Trudeau,

00:11:43.880 when he's announcing

00:11:44.520 this $10 a day childcare plan,

00:11:46.360 is getting more questions

00:11:47.700 about Afghanistan

00:11:48.580 than about anything else.

00:11:50.560 His campaign launch

00:11:51.600 was being peppered

00:11:52.780 with questions

00:11:53.360 about Afghanistan.

00:11:55.340 And I'm glad the media

00:11:56.540 is paying attention to it.

00:11:57.600 It's important.

00:11:58.980 But how can he be

00:12:00.020 the prime minister

00:12:01.100 of a country

00:12:02.580 that does have

00:12:03.600 a vested interest

00:12:04.540 in what's happening

00:12:05.200 in Afghanistan

00:12:05.820 while he's also serving

00:12:07.620 as the liberal leader

00:12:08.940 campaigning across the country?

00:12:11.140 Today he was out

00:12:12.040 in Vancouver.

00:12:13.060 He went to Montreal.

00:12:13.900 I think he's done

00:12:14.420 like four provinces so far.

00:12:15.900 He's done Ontario, Quebec,

00:12:17.760 maybe just three,

00:12:18.580 Ontario, Quebec,

00:12:19.300 and British Columbia.

00:12:20.120 But he's done

00:12:20.600 different cities within there.

00:12:22.620 And interestingly enough,

00:12:23.980 yesterday Brian Passifuma,

00:12:25.540 the Toronto Sun,

00:12:26.420 found he does some great work

00:12:27.860 with flight tracking.

00:12:29.200 And he found

00:12:29.920 that there was

00:12:30.480 a government challenger jet

00:12:32.140 that had gone

00:12:33.520 on the day of the election call,

00:12:35.720 Sunday,

00:12:36.460 from Ottawa to Honolulu.

00:12:38.900 And that was making

00:12:40.360 a lot of people speculate

00:12:41.340 as to,

00:12:41.800 oh, well, who's this?

00:12:42.560 You know,

00:12:42.700 was like Sophie Gregoire Trudeau

00:12:44.080 wanting to get out of town?

00:12:45.360 Or did Mary Simon,

00:12:46.640 the governor general,

00:12:47.380 say, well,

00:12:47.820 I've done my part,

00:12:48.840 I'm out.

00:12:49.480 I reached out

00:12:50.220 to the Department

00:12:50.980 of National Defense

00:12:51.960 and they were very transparent.

00:12:53.900 They said,

00:12:54.200 the acting chief

00:12:55.660 of the defense staff

00:12:56.640 and a few colleagues

00:12:57.660 have gone to Honolulu

00:12:59.080 for a conference.

00:13:01.120 A conference that deals

00:13:02.400 with, you know,

00:13:03.200 Indo-Pacific security interests.

00:13:05.020 It's a Hawaiian military conference,

00:13:06.760 which, to be honest,

00:13:07.880 I'd rather be covering that

00:13:08.860 than the election,

00:13:09.540 no offense.

00:13:09.980 If I can convince Candace

00:13:11.600 that I need to go to Hawaii

00:13:12.540 for work,

00:13:13.600 I will consider myself

00:13:14.860 as having done a job

00:13:16.340 well done.

00:13:17.280 But here's the thing.

00:13:19.020 We are in the midst

00:13:19.860 of a crisis

00:13:20.580 where there is a place

00:13:22.500 for Canadian military response,

00:13:25.160 at least to facilitate

00:13:26.880 the humanitarian side of things.

00:13:28.760 And we've got a prime minister

00:13:30.680 who's on the campaign trail

00:13:32.200 and we've got a chief

00:13:33.540 of the defense staff

00:13:34.320 who's at a conference

00:13:35.600 in Hawaii.

00:13:37.040 So this is pretty much saying

00:13:39.440 that Canada is not going

00:13:41.020 to have a role in this.

00:13:42.120 So all of these promises

00:13:43.600 that Canada is making,

00:13:45.640 oh yeah,

00:13:46.140 we're looking after people,

00:13:47.260 we're helping,

00:13:47.840 we're doing this,

00:13:48.560 are not really being reflected

00:13:50.900 by what the decision makers

00:13:52.920 are doing

00:13:53.920 or even where they are.

00:13:56.020 The two people

00:13:56.880 that need to be

00:13:57.360 most front and center

00:13:58.080 right now

00:13:58.600 are incommunicado,

00:14:00.420 effectively.

00:14:01.900 And I want to point out

00:14:02.860 Alex Mendez,

00:14:03.880 Alexandra Mendez,

00:14:04.840 who is a long-time

00:14:06.100 liberal member of parliament.

00:14:07.400 She's now a liberal candidate 0.74

00:14:09.120 in Quebec.

00:14:09.920 And she basically has said,

00:14:12.240 ah, there's nothing

00:14:12.880 Trudeau can do.

00:14:13.840 So she's in this Twitter

00:14:15.000 back and forth

00:14:15.800 with journalist Stephen Marr

00:14:17.420 and she says,

00:14:18.060 you know,

00:14:18.900 he says Trudeau should do more

00:14:20.280 and she says,

00:14:20.820 what?

00:14:21.180 Get into his Superman suit

00:14:22.620 and fly them out

00:14:23.800 all by himself?

00:14:25.440 Honestly,

00:14:26.020 if the US with boots

00:14:27.100 on the ground

00:14:27.600 and limitless intelligence

00:14:28.740 can't do much

00:14:29.400 to properly secure

00:14:30.340 the airport,

00:14:31.280 what exactly do you expect

00:14:32.700 our PM to do?

00:14:34.060 So her basic response

00:14:35.420 is, ah,

00:14:35.800 Trudeau can do nothing,

00:14:36.700 Canada can do nothing,

00:14:37.620 so just, you know,

00:14:38.300 leave it alone.

00:14:39.160 And then later on,

00:14:40.280 she says that

00:14:41.140 she bets the PM

00:14:42.380 probably feels powerless.

00:14:45.280 So this doesn't square

00:14:46.560 with what Justin Trudeau

00:14:47.600 has been saying

00:14:48.140 on his briefings

00:14:49.080 where he's been telling

00:14:49.900 Canadians all the things

00:14:51.000 that he can do

00:14:51.940 and that Canada's going to do

00:14:53.060 and that we're not going

00:14:53.700 to leave our men

00:14:54.600 and women behind 1.00

00:14:55.400 and now all of a sudden

00:14:56.680 his own MP is saying,

00:14:57.780 ah, yeah,

00:14:58.120 I mean,

00:14:58.320 what do you want him to do?

00:14:59.860 He's just the Prime Minister.

00:15:00.980 It's not like he's

00:15:01.780 involved in this.

00:15:03.040 He doesn't have

00:15:03.400 a Superman suit,

00:15:04.280 which, by the way,

00:15:05.300 he does.

00:15:06.180 But I guess like anything else,

00:15:07.400 it is not as advertised.

00:15:08.840 He didn't get the flying powers

00:15:10.260 that went along

00:15:11.100 with the suit,

00:15:12.240 apparently.

00:15:13.360 Now, as I've said

00:15:14.100 on previous shows,

00:15:15.060 I'm not one of these

00:15:15.960 pearl clutchers

00:15:16.720 that thinks an election

00:15:17.580 is a bad idea right now.

00:15:19.300 I think that we have

00:15:20.360 gone through a monumental

00:15:21.560 challenge in the last

00:15:22.800 year and a half.

00:15:23.420 In particular,

00:15:24.360 we have big challenges ahead.

00:15:25.820 Canadians deserve a say.

00:15:27.520 And interestingly enough,

00:15:28.620 that was Justin Trudeau's

00:15:29.780 message on Sunday.

00:15:31.560 Rarely do I agree

00:15:33.140 in perfect synchronicity

00:15:34.840 with Trudeau's talking points,

00:15:36.160 but he sold it very well.

00:15:37.900 He said, listen,

00:15:38.800 Canadians deserve a say.

00:15:40.120 Canadians deserve a choice.

00:15:41.220 He didn't deal with

00:15:42.360 the safety question at all.

00:15:43.800 Remember, all of the

00:15:44.740 opposition parties

00:15:45.820 have been saying,

00:15:46.460 oh, but the fourth wave,

00:15:47.280 it's so dangerous

00:15:48.020 to go to the polls.

00:15:49.100 He just said, listen,

00:15:50.460 Canadians deserve a say,

00:15:51.940 and that's that.

00:15:52.940 And I would be inclined

00:15:54.280 to agree with that.

00:15:55.780 But here's the thing.

00:15:56.700 If Canadians deserve a say, 0.99

00:15:57.860 that cuts both ways.

00:15:58.820 They can just as easily

00:15:59.760 say to you,

00:16:00.620 yeah, you know what?

00:16:01.300 We don't think you are

00:16:02.320 doing all that bang up

00:16:03.780 a job here.

00:16:05.800 Now, when we look at this

00:16:07.720 and what's likely to happen

00:16:09.680 in the election,

00:16:10.200 Afghanistan's not getting 1.00

00:16:11.380 better overnight.

00:16:13.000 So Trudeau's going to continue

00:16:14.200 to be off message.

00:16:15.240 They need to do a very

00:16:16.100 significant course correction.

00:16:17.960 Aaron O'Toole,

00:16:18.680 for his part,

00:16:19.340 and we'll talk a little bit

00:16:20.260 about his platform

00:16:21.060 in the next segment here.

00:16:22.820 He's been pretty clear

00:16:23.980 and pretty consistent

00:16:24.740 on his message.

00:16:25.720 He's been asked about

00:16:26.580 Afghanistan too,

00:16:27.500 but he's in the opposition.

00:16:28.700 So he's able to just say,

00:16:30.340 being a former military guy,

00:16:32.020 oh yeah,

00:16:32.340 I would do this differently

00:16:33.260 and this differently.

00:16:34.360 And then it kind of furthers

00:16:35.680 everyone going to ask Trudeau of,

00:16:37.400 okay, well,

00:16:38.120 why aren't you doing this?

00:16:40.880 So that's one of the dynamics here

00:16:42.600 is that Aaron O'Toole's strength,

00:16:44.400 one of his key strengths

00:16:45.380 is foreign policy and defense.

00:16:47.720 Now, these are not normally

00:16:48.880 election issues,

00:16:49.700 as I've said,

00:16:50.640 but this may be the exception

00:16:52.100 to the rule

00:16:52.940 because the election

00:16:54.300 is being called

00:16:54.980 in the midst

00:16:55.600 of this global crisis,

00:16:57.780 which could become

00:16:58.880 a bigger crisis

00:17:00.340 depending on how

00:17:01.140 the next few weeks

00:17:02.100 shapes up.

00:17:02.740 And the conservatives

00:17:03.820 actually are leaning into this.

00:17:05.800 They had a press conference

00:17:06.860 with some of their candidates

00:17:08.280 in the earlier part

00:17:10.260 of this week.

00:17:10.980 And in that press conference,

00:17:12.660 they spoke about

00:17:13.620 the humanitarian side,

00:17:14.940 the defense side.

00:17:15.920 And I wanted to share

00:17:17.060 a brief exchange.

00:17:18.280 I'd asked a question

00:17:19.100 that James Bazan,

00:17:20.720 who is the conservative

00:17:21.580 defense critic,

00:17:22.520 had answered.

00:17:23.760 And also Alex Ruff,

00:17:25.200 who is the conservative

00:17:26.140 veterans affairs critic,

00:17:27.400 but a former Afghanistan

00:17:29.540 veteran himself

00:17:30.560 who had a very interesting

00:17:31.820 perspective on this.

00:17:33.000 And it's a bit of

00:17:33.460 a longer exchange,

00:17:34.500 but I still thought

00:17:35.280 it was illuminating.

00:17:36.180 So I wanted to play it for you.

00:17:37.500 I know the previous

00:17:38.460 conservative government

00:17:39.740 was a very,

00:17:41.240 was a proponent

00:17:42.240 of the Afghanistan mission.

00:17:43.700 And I'm curious

00:17:44.540 if there's any re-evaluation

00:17:47.100 of Canada's role

00:17:48.460 in this mission

00:17:49.060 and more forward-looking

00:17:50.460 how what's happening here

00:17:52.240 would shape

00:17:53.160 a future conservative

00:17:54.300 government's approach

00:17:55.260 to similar interventions.

00:17:57.400 I'd like Alex

00:18:00.020 to actually follow up

00:18:01.140 on this,

00:18:01.620 but, you know,

00:18:02.080 I think all of our

00:18:03.340 members of the Canadian

00:18:04.440 Armed Forces

00:18:04.840 who serve there,

00:18:06.000 those that are

00:18:06.620 currently in uniform

00:18:07.640 and those that were

00:18:08.340 in uniform

00:18:08.720 are proud of the work

00:18:10.540 they did there

00:18:11.380 and they should be

00:18:12.000 because they provided

00:18:13.620 a great deal of peace,

00:18:15.100 security and opportunity

00:18:16.080 for Afghanis

00:18:17.640 that were opposed

00:18:18.920 to the Taliban.

00:18:20.720 You know,

00:18:20.960 we need to make sure

00:18:24.160 that going forward

00:18:25.260 that we'll be working

00:18:26.060 with our international

00:18:26.900 counterparts

00:18:27.400 and yesterday

00:18:27.880 in our platform

00:18:29.920 that was released

00:18:30.580 we talk about

00:18:31.680 how we're going

00:18:32.520 to work

00:18:32.800 in the Middle East

00:18:33.440 and with other

00:18:34.200 international partners

00:18:35.620 to bring increased

00:18:37.300 peace and security.

00:18:38.460 So we take this

00:18:39.640 seriously.

00:18:40.920 We believe that

00:18:41.960 Canada has a role

00:18:42.860 to play

00:18:43.340 in these international affairs

00:18:45.280 and when we have

00:18:46.340 to send in

00:18:46.960 our armed forces

00:18:48.280 to defend those

00:18:49.640 that can't defend

00:18:50.640 themselves,

00:18:51.480 we'll do that

00:18:52.060 with our coalition partners.

00:18:53.260 So, you know,

00:18:55.580 I know that

00:18:57.040 those that serve

00:18:57.900 are always prepared

00:18:59.160 to deploy

00:18:59.820 and deal

00:19:00.940 with these circumstances

00:19:01.940 because it's in

00:19:02.600 Canada's best interest

00:19:03.620 to take away

00:19:05.640 opportunities

00:19:06.980 for organizations

00:19:08.400 like the Taliban 0.97

00:19:09.200 to grow more terrorists

00:19:11.020 and attack us

00:19:11.960 here at home.

00:19:12.460 Alex?

00:19:16.200 Yeah, so as a follow-up

00:19:17.920 to what James said,

00:19:19.280 our Canadian Armed Forces

00:19:20.500 and, you know,

00:19:21.740 maybe I have a biased opinion

00:19:23.020 or the best trained

00:19:23.980 in the world

00:19:25.480 where we don't take

00:19:27.360 any mission lightly

00:19:28.320 and we're prepared

00:19:30.000 for it

00:19:30.520 and there's no

00:19:31.140 risk-free mission

00:19:32.580 and that's not

00:19:33.580 what our Canadian Armed Forces

00:19:34.620 personnel sign up for.

00:19:35.720 If you ask them

00:19:36.820 on a one-on-one

00:19:37.780 case basis,

00:19:39.860 I don't think

00:19:40.800 you'll find a single one

00:19:41.700 that wouldn't be willing

00:19:42.700 to go in

00:19:43.180 and do the right thing

00:19:43.960 right now

00:19:44.400 to get these Afghans out. 1.00

00:19:46.400 To go, Andrew,

00:19:47.200 to your question

00:19:47.980 about, you know,

00:19:50.120 re-evaluating,

00:19:51.180 well, I can only speak

00:19:52.440 from my personal opinion

00:19:54.080 and personal perspective

00:19:55.240 but there's a whole generation

00:19:56.540 of young girls

00:19:57.920 that got educated,

00:19:59.680 that are growing up

00:20:01.440 knowing that they have

00:20:02.420 options available to them

00:20:04.100 and I think

00:20:05.700 that's the fundamental change

00:20:07.280 by planting that seed

00:20:08.400 of hope

00:20:08.880 and inspiration

00:20:10.120 to that country

00:20:11.460 that's going to make

00:20:12.040 the difference long-term.

00:20:13.360 Unfortunately,

00:20:13.840 it's a major setback.

00:20:15.140 In fact,

00:20:15.440 I'll even use the word failure

00:20:16.720 of what's gone on

00:20:18.340 with the U.S.

00:20:19.180 or sorry,

00:20:19.620 the coalition,

00:20:20.940 our own interventions

00:20:22.060 in Afghanistan

00:20:22.940 but I am still hopeful

00:20:24.520 and optimistic

00:20:25.480 that eventually

00:20:26.680 the Afghan people

00:20:28.300 themselves

00:20:28.820 will rise

00:20:30.420 to the occasion

00:20:31.140 and that country

00:20:32.160 is going to be better off

00:20:33.340 because of our

00:20:34.020 intervention there

00:20:34.780 over the past

00:20:35.660 decade and a bit.

00:20:37.600 No, and I thought

00:20:38.080 that was a very good answer.

00:20:39.460 I do think

00:20:40.540 that there's a bigger

00:20:41.460 picture discussion here

00:20:42.640 about intervention

00:20:44.060 and when intervention

00:20:45.400 is warranted

00:20:46.140 because what's happening

00:20:47.480 in Afghanistan

00:20:48.120 is showing that

00:20:48.960 the 20 years of work

00:20:50.420 by multiple countries

00:20:51.560 including the supposedly

00:20:52.940 most powerful military

00:20:53.980 in the world,

00:20:54.620 the United States

00:20:55.240 can be unraveled

00:20:56.340 in the course

00:20:57.220 of a few weeks

00:20:58.100 by some thugs

00:20:59.360 from the desert

00:21:00.440 and the mountains

00:21:01.040 with surplus Soviet guns.

00:21:03.680 So the reality is

00:21:05.600 I do think

00:21:06.440 we need to have

00:21:06.940 a significant discussion

00:21:07.940 about intervention

00:21:08.700 but we are here

00:21:10.260 if we are leaving

00:21:11.680 do it right

00:21:12.520 and that's been

00:21:13.940 the dynamic here.

00:21:14.960 Joe Biden has said

00:21:15.980 no, we said

00:21:16.520 we're going to get out

00:21:17.120 so we're getting out.

00:21:18.600 I don't think anyone

00:21:19.240 thinks withdrawal

00:21:20.040 is a bad idea.

00:21:21.640 Well, I shouldn't say anyone.

00:21:22.800 I don't think withdrawal

00:21:23.680 is necessarily a bad idea

00:21:25.620 to a lot of people

00:21:26.560 but it needs to be done

00:21:28.040 properly

00:21:28.700 not with just this

00:21:29.640 complete and abject

00:21:30.520 surrender to Taliban

00:21:32.100 where the coalition

00:21:33.640 has to just like

00:21:34.500 desperately hope

00:21:35.620 it can cling to control

00:21:37.040 of the Kabul airport

00:21:38.500 which is not exactly

00:21:39.840 a guarantee at this point.

00:21:42.360 So this is now

00:21:43.400 an election

00:21:43.920 that Justin Trudeau

00:21:44.940 cannot control.

00:21:46.020 If there is this

00:21:47.040 fourth wave spike

00:21:48.040 in September

00:21:48.600 when people go back

00:21:49.740 to school

00:21:50.120 that's going to be

00:21:50.720 something he has

00:21:51.340 to contend with

00:21:52.000 and if there's a flare-up

00:21:53.240 in Afghanistan

00:21:53.920 that's going to be

00:21:54.620 something he contends with

00:21:55.940 and apart from this

00:21:57.120 $10 child care plan

00:21:58.520 which I only know about

00:21:59.940 because I was watching

00:22:00.860 the she-covery 0.74

00:22:01.600 she-session clip

00:22:02.660 over and over

00:22:03.320 I don't know

00:22:04.280 what Justin Trudeau

00:22:05.180 is actually selling

00:22:06.560 and if Canadian voters

00:22:08.360 don't either

00:22:08.960 it will be very bad news

00:22:11.120 for the Liberal campaign.

00:22:12.220 We've got to take a break here

00:22:13.160 we'll break down

00:22:14.000 some of the other

00:22:14.580 nuts and bolts

00:22:15.280 of the campaign

00:22:15.940 when we return

00:22:16.700 here on

00:22:17.280 The Andrew Lawton Show

00:22:18.180 stay tuned.

00:22:20.060 You're tuned in

00:22:21.280 to The Andrew Lawton Show

00:22:22.780 Hey, welcome back

00:22:25.440 to The Andrew Lawton Show

00:22:26.800 here on True North

00:22:28.120 As many of you know

00:22:29.440 I mentioned it earlier on

00:22:30.620 I kicked off the week

00:22:31.860 in Ottawa

00:22:32.680 covering mostly

00:22:33.940 the Conservative launch

00:22:35.360 but also a kick-off event

00:22:37.560 by Maxime Bernier

00:22:38.540 for the People's Party

00:22:39.920 which was also taking place

00:22:41.220 in one of the days

00:22:42.560 and it was kind of interesting

00:22:44.020 because this is going to be

00:22:45.500 a very different election

00:22:46.700 normally the candidates

00:22:48.360 hit the ground running

00:22:49.240 they're jet-setting

00:22:50.380 all across the country

00:22:51.420 Trudeau had two planes

00:22:52.520 last time

00:22:53.080 I don't know yet

00:22:53.700 if he has just the one

00:22:55.280 or if he has the second plane

00:22:56.860 for the costumes

00:22:57.580 and cargo this time around

00:22:59.000 but interestingly

00:23:00.560 the Conservatives

00:23:01.480 have put a lot of money

00:23:02.320 into this studio

00:23:03.180 in Ottawa

00:23:03.680 at the Westin Hotel

00:23:05.420 and because of that

00:23:06.520 they're kind of wanting

00:23:07.640 to get their money's worth

00:23:08.600 out of it

00:23:08.960 so they're going to be

00:23:09.500 doing a lot of events

00:23:10.460 based in Ottawa

00:23:11.660 they had the first two days

00:23:13.400 of the campaign

00:23:14.000 in Ottawa

00:23:14.440 as a matter of fact

00:23:15.380 and one of those

00:23:16.800 was the platform announcement

00:23:18.280 which came pretty early

00:23:20.000 last time

00:23:20.700 the Conservatives

00:23:21.480 dropped their platform

00:23:22.420 relatively late

00:23:23.920 into the election

00:23:24.900 and they were criticized

00:23:25.720 heavily for not having

00:23:27.220 a platform for much

00:23:28.100 of the campaign

00:23:28.720 this time they got it out

00:23:30.660 on day two

00:23:31.760 of the writ period

00:23:33.080 and I took the time

00:23:34.640 I was actually in the

00:23:35.600 they call it a

00:23:36.300 well they call it an embargo

00:23:37.700 but it's kind of a

00:23:38.980 de facto lock-up of sorts

00:23:40.560 when you're in a room

00:23:41.780 with other journalists

00:23:42.540 and some of the architects

00:23:43.720 of the platform

00:23:44.520 and you get to read through it

00:23:46.560 and write stories

00:23:47.560 ahead of time

00:23:48.440 for when it's announced

00:23:50.000 but you can't actually

00:23:50.800 share anything about it

00:23:51.860 and it's good

00:23:53.040 because you actually

00:23:53.720 get the time

00:23:54.220 to go through

00:23:54.720 and find some of the

00:23:55.740 the oddities in it

00:23:57.320 and when I say oddities

00:23:58.200 I don't mean

00:23:58.800 in an insulting way

00:24:00.040 I just mean

00:24:00.580 just bear with me here

00:24:02.580 so the whole thing

00:24:03.640 is here's the

00:24:04.700 the picture

00:24:05.460 of AeroTool

00:24:06.540 which has been

00:24:07.700 likened to Mike Holmes

00:24:09.420 it's been likened

00:24:10.400 to Mr. Clean

00:24:11.220 it's been likened

00:24:12.900 to an edition

00:24:13.660 of Men's Health Magazine

00:24:14.740 which I think

00:24:15.380 they were going for

00:24:16.400 the magazine look

00:24:17.720 because it says like

00:24:18.380 you know summer 2021

00:24:19.300 and it's like

00:24:20.120 the magazine style font

00:24:21.420 and it's how long

00:24:23.420 it's like 160 pages

00:24:26.120 so there's a lot in it

00:24:28.180 and you get a lot of things

00:24:29.640 that just to put

00:24:31.140 you know the energy section

00:24:32.280 is you know

00:24:32.880 two whole pages

00:24:34.080 plus some more

00:24:35.200 but then you get

00:24:36.220 little things

00:24:37.020 that are buried

00:24:37.800 that you know

00:24:38.740 are not going to get

00:24:39.440 a lot of attention

00:24:40.140 but they're actually

00:24:40.780 they're in there

00:24:41.260 for a reason

00:24:41.860 and that's kind of

00:24:43.180 what I liked

00:24:43.780 in this process

00:24:44.940 is looking at

00:24:45.860 some of these smaller things

00:24:47.060 that I know

00:24:47.800 the mainstream media

00:24:48.600 is not going to pick up on

00:24:49.840 or care about

00:24:51.020 but I think

00:24:51.600 are immensely relevant

00:24:52.920 and a few of those

00:24:54.000 that I pulled out

00:24:54.760 were the section

00:24:56.180 on CBC

00:24:57.080 and on firearms

00:24:59.020 and those two

00:25:00.480 I actually want to focus on

00:25:01.660 in just a second

00:25:02.600 because these are two

00:25:03.440 red meat issues

00:25:04.320 for conservatives

00:25:05.100 that might not

00:25:06.700 translate necessarily

00:25:08.220 to the general population

00:25:09.840 he promised

00:25:10.980 in the leadership race

00:25:12.020 to defund CBC

00:25:13.560 full stop

00:25:14.300 CBC English

00:25:15.220 CBC Online

00:25:16.840 and also CBC News Network

00:25:19.420 it was defund

00:25:20.760 and privatize

00:25:22.440 and in this platform

00:25:24.860 it's very different

00:25:26.460 in this platform

00:25:27.260 he commits

00:25:28.260 to a review

00:25:29.520 of the mandate

00:25:30.560 and that review

00:25:32.600 will assess

00:25:33.580 the viability

00:25:34.580 of possibly changing

00:25:36.740 the business model

00:25:38.060 to something

00:25:38.680 along the lines

00:25:39.480 of PBS

00:25:39.920 it's not talking

00:25:40.700 about defunding

00:25:41.520 it's not talking

00:25:42.740 about privatization

00:25:43.780 and this is

00:25:44.720 there's no two ways

00:25:45.820 about it

00:25:46.140 this is a significant

00:25:47.320 walk back

00:25:48.180 from what was promised

00:25:49.780 in the leadership

00:25:50.660 it's just completely

00:25:51.780 significant

00:25:52.400 and here's the thing

00:25:54.040 when I wrote a story

00:25:55.080 about this

00:25:55.600 at TNC.news

00:25:57.640 and a lot of the response

00:25:58.620 was frustration

00:26:00.120 a lot of the response

00:26:01.220 was well

00:26:01.580 but he can't come out

00:26:02.320 and say it

00:26:02.900 you know

00:26:03.840 so this is what he has to do

00:26:05.200 but I said

00:26:05.520 well he already has said it

00:26:06.640 he already has said it

00:26:08.240 so if he thought

00:26:08.860 it was important enough

00:26:09.640 to say then

00:26:10.240 he should be able

00:26:11.120 to stand by it now

00:26:12.220 and I was

00:26:13.320 I must admit

00:26:14.040 surprised

00:26:14.540 I had talked about it

00:26:15.440 with a few people

00:26:16.060 and I said

00:26:16.400 I don't think

00:26:16.880 the CBC thing

00:26:17.620 is even going to be

00:26:18.220 in the platform

00:26:18.840 but it was there

00:26:20.260 and I asked him

00:26:21.260 about this discrepancy

00:26:22.300 and I'll let you

00:26:22.820 hear the answer

00:26:23.440 for yourself

00:26:24.040 in your leadership

00:26:25.680 platform last year

00:26:26.880 you committed

00:26:27.400 to privatizing

00:26:28.540 CBC News Network

00:26:29.760 CBC English TV

00:26:31.000 and ultimately

00:26:31.720 ending funding

00:26:32.540 to CBC Digital

00:26:33.720 in this platform

00:26:35.240 however

00:26:35.560 you're only committing

00:26:36.360 to review

00:26:37.280 quote

00:26:37.780 assessing the viability

00:26:39.180 of refocusing

00:26:40.220 unquote

00:26:40.800 help me understand

00:26:42.060 that

00:26:42.260 will you be fulfilling

00:26:43.120 your leadership pledge

00:26:44.120 to privatize

00:26:45.760 and defund

00:26:46.260 those CBC departments

00:26:47.320 in a first mandate

00:26:48.180 I think it's unfair

00:26:50.800 for private sector

00:26:52.540 media outlets

00:26:53.300 that are struggling

00:26:54.100 to transition

00:26:54.860 to digital

00:26:55.960 that are struggling

00:26:56.760 to gain advertising

00:26:58.380 revenue

00:26:59.000 to see the state

00:27:00.460 competing against them

00:27:01.480 particularly

00:27:01.980 in areas of digital

00:27:04.100 where the

00:27:05.000 the

00:27:05.280 the

00:27:05.940 the CBC increases

00:27:07.400 have actually made it

00:27:08.280 harder for the private sector

00:27:09.340 and then Mr. Trudeau

00:27:10.280 creates a media bailout fund

00:27:12.860 to

00:27:14.080 to deal with

00:27:14.640 some of the challenges

00:27:15.340 he's crossed

00:27:16.180 so

00:27:16.460 it is the time

00:27:17.480 to

00:27:17.700 to modernize

00:27:18.500 it is the time

00:27:19.160 to respect

00:27:19.740 the public interest mandate

00:27:21.340 done by CBC

00:27:22.220 in terms of radio

00:27:23.740 being

00:27:24.140 non-commercial

00:27:26.120 the service to rural communities

00:27:28.200 French language

00:27:29.140 services are critical

00:27:30.300 and indigenous languages

00:27:31.840 are critical as well

00:27:33.360 but we are going to review

00:27:34.960 where there is competition

00:27:36.220 with the private sector

00:27:37.620 we need a high

00:27:38.580 a competitive

00:27:39.780 and successful

00:27:41.020 private sector

00:27:41.840 in all media

00:27:42.560 and we need to

00:27:43.660 balance the playing field

00:27:45.100 with the American web giants

00:27:47.260 but without attacking

00:27:48.420 Canadians

00:27:49.380 liberties on social media

00:27:50.920 no real answer

00:27:52.520 he talks about

00:27:53.440 the business model

00:27:54.300 but effectively

00:27:55.260 this is a walk back

00:27:56.620 and there's no way

00:27:57.460 to defend it

00:27:58.220 but here's the thing

00:27:59.300 I will say

00:27:59.840 I was very pleased

00:28:00.940 with the firearms section

00:28:02.300 because

00:28:02.600 I had previously

00:28:03.780 spoken to Aaron O'Toole

00:28:05.060 at a press conference

00:28:05.920 and asked about this

00:28:06.760 and he gave an answer

00:28:07.600 that was very ambiguous

00:28:09.220 that I know a lot of gun owners

00:28:10.580 were annoyed by

00:28:11.460 and it was so bad

00:28:12.780 that a couple of days later

00:28:13.840 he cleared it up

00:28:14.700 and gave a very decisive view

00:28:16.440 of what the Conservatives

00:28:17.840 will do on firearms

00:28:18.760 and I was pleased

00:28:19.740 that in this platform

00:28:20.920 the same thing is there

00:28:22.600 the Conservatives

00:28:23.300 are committing to a repeal

00:28:24.760 of the May 2020

00:28:25.760 Order and Council

00:28:26.740 they're committing

00:28:27.660 to a repeal

00:28:28.440 of Bill C-71

00:28:29.580 they're committing

00:28:30.680 to a top-to-bottom

00:28:32.420 refresh

00:28:33.360 a modernization

00:28:34.720 if you will

00:28:35.300 of the Firearms Act

00:28:37.320 which is one of the most

00:28:38.080 flawed pieces of legislation

00:28:39.680 in Canada

00:28:40.380 which would also put clarity

00:28:42.200 in the classification system

00:28:43.700 and I don't want to get

00:28:45.260 too in the weeds on this

00:28:46.180 I would encourage you

00:28:47.320 if you haven't already

00:28:48.140 to go and check out

00:28:48.900 my documentary series

00:28:50.160 Assaulted

00:28:51.140 Justin Trudeau's War

00:28:52.160 on Gun Owners

00:28:52.780 that's at

00:28:53.280 assaulted.ca

00:28:54.380 and in that series

00:28:55.660 you'll hear some of the issues

00:28:57.020 with the status quo

00:28:58.160 in firearms law

00:28:59.420 in Canada

00:29:00.420 but the classification system

00:29:02.520 allows guns

00:29:03.480 to be prohibited overnight

00:29:04.700 there's a lot of ambiguity

00:29:06.540 about which guns

00:29:08.100 fall into which category

00:29:09.400 so for a Conservative government

00:29:11.280 to commit to

00:29:12.440 doing a top-to-bottom

00:29:14.400 review of this

00:29:15.380 I think is a

00:29:16.420 significant

00:29:17.480 significant step

00:29:19.120 in the right direction

00:29:20.180 other things

00:29:21.400 in the platform

00:29:21.980 that were noteworthy

00:29:23.040 balancing the budget

00:29:24.680 within 10 years

00:29:25.500 this one

00:29:26.420 was heavily criticized

00:29:27.620 by the Canadian

00:29:29.100 Taxpayers Federation

00:29:30.140 because they said

00:29:31.480 it wasn't clear

00:29:32.260 how he was going to do it

00:29:33.760 and I will say

00:29:34.960 there's a significant question

00:29:36.560 to be asked there

00:29:38.140 we've had the

00:29:39.080 Parliamentary Budget Officer

00:29:40.280 say that Canada

00:29:41.200 is on track to run

00:29:42.260 deficits until 2070

00:29:44.080 for 50 years

00:29:45.100 so any government

00:29:46.500 that says

00:29:46.840 I can balance it in 10

00:29:48.380 deserves to be heard out

00:29:50.300 I asked him on Sunday

00:29:52.580 how he's going to get it done

00:29:54.300 in September

00:29:55.540 you pledged to

00:29:56.660 balance the budget

00:29:57.580 within 10 years

00:29:58.840 more recently

00:29:59.760 we've heard projections

00:30:00.960 from the Parliamentary Budget Officer

00:30:02.700 that we could be running

00:30:03.540 deficits

00:30:04.040 until 2070

00:30:05.760 for 50 years

00:30:06.740 do you think that

00:30:07.780 balancing in 10 years

00:30:09.020 is still feasible

00:30:09.880 and if so

00:30:10.700 what would that

00:30:11.360 course correction

00:30:12.060 from an O'Toole government

00:30:13.200 look like?

00:30:15.200 It looks like

00:30:16.160 Canada's recovery plan

00:30:17.400 our five-point plan

00:30:18.780 to secure the future

00:30:20.100 we will get the budget

00:30:21.820 back to balance

00:30:22.780 over the course

00:30:23.340 of the next decade

00:30:24.140 our fifth pillar

00:30:25.480 because our first pillar

00:30:26.780 is going to get people

00:30:27.500 working

00:30:27.960 in all sectors

00:30:29.440 of the economy

00:30:30.120 and in all regions

00:30:31.040 of the country

00:30:31.560 we're the only party

00:30:33.180 that supports people

00:30:34.500 getting back to work

00:30:35.360 in the energy

00:30:36.340 the softwood lumber

00:30:37.320 steel

00:30:37.820 aluminum

00:30:38.340 our fabricators

00:30:39.580 we value small businesses

00:30:41.420 and we'll have

00:30:42.560 very detailed programs

00:30:44.760 to help

00:30:45.240 those in hospitality

00:30:46.980 tourism

00:30:47.540 hanging on

00:30:48.300 by a thread

00:30:49.420 we will have the economy

00:30:51.120 surging

00:30:51.800 in the right direction

00:30:53.140 for all Canadians

00:30:54.580 and that will allow us

00:30:56.300 to balance the budget

00:30:57.600 over the course

00:30:58.160 of the next decade

00:30:58.840 by helping people

00:30:59.920 get back to work

00:31:01.360 in all parts

00:31:02.220 of this country

00:31:02.700 and I will say

00:31:03.600 I mean the idea

00:31:04.220 of a 10-year pledge

00:31:05.740 is a bit of a disingenuous one

00:31:07.900 because even if you get elected

00:31:08.900 there's no guarantee

00:31:09.540 you're going to be there

00:31:10.100 for 10 years

00:31:10.780 but you have to prove

00:31:12.120 that you're planning ahead

00:31:13.100 so that's the point

00:31:13.900 of stuff like this

00:31:14.660 in 2019

00:31:16.080 Andrew Scheer

00:31:16.820 had promised a law

00:31:18.260 that would require governments

00:31:19.480 to have balanced budgets

00:31:20.600 but the problem with that

00:31:21.920 is that it wouldn't kick in

00:31:23.040 until four years after

00:31:24.520 he had been elected

00:31:25.880 so it was kind of a law

00:31:27.220 that would have bound

00:31:28.540 future governments

00:31:29.480 but not necessarily his

00:31:31.040 and that's a danger here

00:31:32.920 when you have governments

00:31:33.720 that aren't prepared

00:31:34.340 to do the tough work themselves

00:31:35.780 to balance the budget

00:31:37.080 but say it's so important

00:31:38.220 to do it

00:31:38.720 so that's why

00:31:39.940 I was interested in that

00:31:40.960 and I'll still focus on it

00:31:42.180 again

00:31:42.440 Aaron O'Toole

00:31:43.380 and Candace has spoken about this

00:31:44.880 Candace Malcolm

00:31:45.580 has taken this

00:31:47.160 it's the economy stupid

00:31:48.920 approach

00:31:49.460 to governing

00:31:50.300 I think that's an old 0.94

00:31:51.080 James Carville line

00:31:52.100 of saying that

00:31:52.860 we've got to focus

00:31:53.640 on the economy

00:31:54.320 the name of the platform

00:31:55.960 is Secure the Future

00:31:57.220 and while they are talking

00:31:58.740 about pandemic preparedness

00:32:00.540 and foreign policy

00:32:02.040 and all of these other things

00:32:03.100 it's vastly

00:32:04.140 if you go through it

00:32:05.380 it's almost entirely

00:32:07.040 about the economy

00:32:08.320 and even things

00:32:10.040 in other areas

00:32:11.140 tend to have

00:32:12.240 a very economic tie-in

00:32:13.840 like for example

00:32:14.620 the O'Toole carbon tax

00:32:16.540 which I don't want

00:32:17.120 to get into now

00:32:17.700 but we went into it

00:32:18.960 in depth

00:32:19.340 in a previous show

00:32:20.520 when it was announced

00:32:21.220 a few months back

00:32:22.280 so I want to turn

00:32:23.900 though to

00:32:24.520 one of the other events

00:32:25.540 that I was covering

00:32:26.140 this week

00:32:26.580 before I do

00:32:27.640 before I do though

00:32:28.600 you may have seen this

00:32:30.300 Andrew Coyne

00:32:31.200 didn't like that

00:32:32.140 I asked the first question

00:32:33.480 at Aaron O'Toole's

00:32:35.320 first press conference

00:32:36.380 and a couple of the other

00:32:37.820 mean girls 1.00

00:32:38.500 of the parliamentary

00:32:39.080 press gallery

00:32:39.880 weren't fans either

00:32:40.880 but I will say

00:32:42.200 there's no conspiracy

00:32:43.520 to it

00:32:44.100 you just happen to be

00:32:45.380 the first in line

00:32:46.320 and you get the first question

00:32:47.740 and when there are

00:32:48.900 so few people in media

00:32:50.120 now covering things

00:32:51.500 on the ground

00:32:52.100 it's very easy

00:32:53.320 in a room of like

00:32:54.060 eight people

00:32:54.560 to be the first one

00:32:55.320 in line

00:32:55.680 I didn't even need

00:32:56.220 to like body check

00:32:57.000 anyone out of the way

00:32:57.780 I just kind of showed up

00:32:59.140 and was there

00:32:59.620 and I will continue

00:33:00.620 to be there

00:33:01.100 so Andrew Coyne

00:33:01.940 if you want to be

00:33:02.560 the one that asked

00:33:03.400 the first question

00:33:04.000 next time

00:33:04.460 maybe you should

00:33:05.380 come there

00:33:06.100 and ask it yourself

00:33:07.320 now

00:33:08.240 Maxime Bernier

00:33:09.800 I get a lot of people

00:33:10.740 saying

00:33:11.120 why are you not

00:33:11.800 covering Bernier

00:33:12.500 why are you not

00:33:13.200 covering Derek Sloan

00:33:14.200 why are you not

00:33:15.060 covering Maverick

00:33:15.840 the answer to two

00:33:16.820 of those three

00:33:17.360 is I am

00:33:18.140 I'm not covering

00:33:19.020 Derek Sloan's party

00:33:19.900 because so far

00:33:20.720 Derek Sloan's party

00:33:21.780 ceases to exist

00:33:22.920 but I am covering

00:33:24.360 Bernier

00:33:24.860 I am covering Maverick

00:33:25.980 and I covered

00:33:26.940 Maxime Bernier's

00:33:27.920 kickoff event

00:33:28.740 in which he

00:33:29.780 gave what I think

00:33:31.040 is probably

00:33:31.500 the most transparently

00:33:32.780 honest assessment

00:33:34.620 of why the PPC exists

00:33:36.740 and what it is

00:33:37.660 that the PPC

00:33:38.300 is trying to do

00:33:39.680 to capture support

00:33:40.780 in Canada

00:33:41.840 so

00:33:42.900 why should Canadians 1.00

00:33:44.740 consider voting

00:33:45.960 for the People's Party

00:33:47.420 of Canada

00:33:47.940 it's simple

00:33:50.020 all

00:33:51.480 the

00:33:52.300 order

00:33:53.300 options

00:33:54.360 suck 0.94

00:33:55.200 it's time

00:33:56.560 to choose

00:33:57.320 something

00:33:57.900 different

00:33:58.520 the People's Party

00:34:00.660 has opposed

00:34:01.860 authoritarian lockdown

00:34:03.280 measures

00:34:03.900 from the very

00:34:05.280 beginning

00:34:05.740 of the pandemic

00:34:06.860 we are the only

00:34:09.020 party

00:34:09.420 with a realistic

00:34:10.800 approach

00:34:11.560 and recognize

00:34:12.540 that we must

00:34:13.560 leave

00:34:14.360 learn to

00:34:15.580 leave

00:34:16.060 with this

00:34:16.940 virus

00:34:17.540 not destroy

00:34:18.780 our society

00:34:19.840 and economy

00:34:20.920 in a vain

00:34:21.840 attempt

00:34:22.560 to eliminate

00:34:23.620 it

00:34:24.040 but the message

00:34:26.700 is vote for us

00:34:27.400 the other parties

00:34:28.080 all suck

00:34:28.620 and I'm laughing

00:34:29.220 but that's actually

00:34:30.200 a pretty good line

00:34:31.280 and that's one

00:34:32.080 that I think

00:34:32.440 will capture

00:34:32.980 a lot of attention

00:34:34.000 the PPC effect

00:34:35.580 is a very interesting

00:34:36.720 one here

00:34:37.140 because Maxime Bernier

00:34:38.200 is not under

00:34:39.620 any delusion

00:34:40.360 that the PPC

00:34:41.140 is going to be

00:34:42.180 in a majority

00:34:43.000 government

00:34:43.420 or even government

00:34:44.200 his whole thing

00:34:45.020 is he wants

00:34:46.000 to get elected

00:34:46.620 in both

00:34:47.020 he wants to elect

00:34:47.900 a couple of

00:34:48.420 PPC MPs

00:34:49.400 and he wants

00:34:50.340 to start shifting

00:34:51.140 the debate

00:34:51.620 he thinks

00:34:52.040 the Conservatives

00:34:52.820 are as he often says

00:34:54.320 morally and intellectually

00:34:55.280 corrupt

00:34:55.740 he thinks

00:34:56.060 the other parties

00:34:56.760 are radical

00:34:57.900 and dangerous

00:34:58.520 and the PPC

00:34:59.360 are the ones

00:35:00.460 that speak

00:35:00.940 for Canadians

00:35:01.840 more directly

00:35:02.820 now the interesting

00:35:04.500 thing is

00:35:05.000 we know in 2019

00:35:06.360 which was going

00:35:07.200 to be

00:35:07.620 the greatest

00:35:08.740 chance of PPC

00:35:10.160 success

00:35:10.640 because they were

00:35:11.280 new and no one

00:35:12.260 sort of knew

00:35:12.820 where they would

00:35:13.960 fit into things

00:35:14.740 that it's going

00:35:16.220 to be a lot harder

00:35:16.960 this time around

00:35:17.720 they've lost

00:35:18.760 a lot of the momentum

00:35:19.560 they've lost

00:35:20.220 a lot of the curiosity

00:35:20.980 and they've lost

00:35:22.520 a lot of the interest

00:35:23.820 I mean I was at

00:35:24.740 that press conference

00:35:25.460 and there were just

00:35:25.980 a small number

00:35:27.260 of people there

00:35:27.940 covering it

00:35:28.720 and one of the reasons

00:35:30.240 that I was there

00:35:31.360 is because I think

00:35:32.120 the PPC is a part

00:35:33.400 of the Conservative

00:35:34.200 movement in Canada

00:35:35.280 it's a part of

00:35:36.400 politics in Canada

00:35:37.420 and one thing

00:35:38.760 that I will say

00:35:39.340 is that the media

00:35:39.960 has kept the Green

00:35:40.980 Party alive

00:35:41.780 whereas they ignore

00:35:44.020 other similar movements

00:35:46.100 on the right

00:35:46.760 that have about

00:35:47.680 the same electoral shot

00:35:49.040 but don't get

00:35:50.060 nearly the attention

00:35:50.960 one of the key

00:35:52.020 questions is going

00:35:52.960 to be whether

00:35:53.900 Bernier and the PPC

00:35:55.080 can get into the debate

00:35:56.220 so the debate

00:35:57.320 criteria have come out

00:35:59.000 and in them

00:36:00.560 a party must have

00:36:01.700 either elected

00:36:02.460 someone under

00:36:03.200 that party's banner

00:36:04.040 in the last election

00:36:04.980 they must have

00:36:05.940 gotten 4% of the vote

00:36:07.120 nationally in the

00:36:07.880 last election

00:36:08.540 or they must be

00:36:09.940 polling at 4%

00:36:11.420 in this election

00:36:12.900 on average

00:36:13.660 you have to meet

00:36:15.200 one of those criteria

00:36:16.420 Maxime Bernier's

00:36:18.320 only hope of being

00:36:19.320 in the debate

00:36:19.760 is to poll

00:36:20.640 at 4%

00:36:21.800 on average

00:36:22.900 if you look

00:36:23.340 at a collection

00:36:23.860 of polls

00:36:24.340 from reputable

00:36:24.960 polling agencies

00:36:25.840 as determined

00:36:26.840 by the Leaders

00:36:27.460 Debates Commission

00:36:28.260 yada yada yada

00:36:29.220 and why this is

00:36:30.780 interesting

00:36:31.320 is because

00:36:31.980 the PPC

00:36:32.440 actually came out

00:36:33.540 in a poll

00:36:34.440 done by Main Street

00:36:35.500 this week

00:36:36.040 with 6% support

00:36:38.000 6% support

00:36:39.620 now individual polls

00:36:40.700 can be outliers

00:36:41.620 but in this one

00:36:42.720 they were polling

00:36:43.340 at 6%

00:36:43.780 the Greens

00:36:44.200 were polling at 4%

00:36:45.160 if they can do that

00:36:46.360 in a couple of other polls

00:36:47.540 the PPC

00:36:48.160 is going to be

00:36:48.700 in the debate

00:36:49.280 and they were

00:36:50.460 in the debate

00:36:50.900 last time

00:36:51.500 and as we saw

00:36:52.340 it still got them

00:36:53.220 1.6% of the vote

00:36:54.620 but it means

00:36:56.020 that they're going

00:36:56.560 to be a lot more

00:36:57.220 influential

00:36:57.700 because Canadians

00:36:58.500 are going to be

00:36:59.180 seeing them

00:36:59.900 and while

00:37:01.200 the Green Party

00:37:02.300 is still in a free fall

00:37:03.800 and this implosion

00:37:05.540 parties that are not

00:37:07.600 part of those

00:37:08.240 main three

00:37:09.080 I think are going

00:37:10.620 to be a lot more

00:37:11.620 significant

00:37:12.160 this time around

00:37:13.060 Maverick out West

00:37:14.460 again not a large party

00:37:15.860 they're only running

00:37:16.520 candidates in 20

00:37:17.620 some odd ridings

00:37:18.460 but nevertheless

00:37:19.440 they're tapping

00:37:20.160 into a sentiment

00:37:21.000 that is very real

00:37:22.120 a sentiment

00:37:23.200 that is very strong

00:37:24.340 which is Western

00:37:25.460 frustration

00:37:26.120 with the rest

00:37:26.840 of Canada

00:37:27.360 and if Aaron O'Toole

00:37:29.420 does have this

00:37:30.140 base problem

00:37:30.960 as it certainly

00:37:32.060 has looked in many

00:37:33.020 respects like he has

00:37:34.320 he could find

00:37:35.700 that seats in the West

00:37:37.000 that the Conservatives

00:37:37.840 have historically

00:37:38.540 taken for granted

00:37:39.520 are not necessarily safe

00:37:41.640 and vote split

00:37:42.620 that's the whole point

00:37:43.320 of vote splitting

00:37:43.940 and people can debate

00:37:45.380 whether vote splitting

00:37:46.100 is a completely

00:37:47.400 legitimate tactic

00:37:48.340 or not

00:37:48.760 but if the Mavericks

00:37:50.200 do well

00:37:50.740 and pull off

00:37:51.320 10, 15, 20%

00:37:52.760 in a couple of

00:37:53.800 safe conservative

00:37:54.500 ridings

00:37:54.980 that could actually

00:37:56.000 threaten

00:37:56.860 those conservative

00:37:58.100 seats

00:37:58.620 and I don't know

00:38:00.160 if you saw

00:38:00.540 but Hamish Marshall

00:38:01.360 who is our

00:38:02.580 in-house pollster

00:38:03.460 at True North

00:38:04.060 for the election

00:38:04.620 did an interview

00:38:05.280 on our election night

00:38:06.680 kickoff show

00:38:07.340 with Candace Malcolm

00:38:08.180 and he talked about

00:38:08.920 this that you know

00:38:09.720 to win you

00:38:10.220 you have to look

00:38:10.880 in little

00:38:11.160 where you can pick

00:38:11.920 up two or three seats

00:38:12.920 you know if you can pick up

00:38:13.880 two or three in Alberta

00:38:15.140 two or three in BC

00:38:16.400 two or three in Manitoba

00:38:17.800 it's these little successes

00:38:20.100 that tend to be parlayed

00:38:22.560 into bigger successes

00:38:23.920 and that's I think

00:38:25.100 a very key takeaway

00:38:25.920 in politics

00:38:26.520 when you're looking

00:38:27.080 at the map

00:38:27.600 you don't need

00:38:28.080 someone that's going

00:38:29.000 to just completely

00:38:29.660 invert an entire province

00:38:31.180 you need someone

00:38:32.080 that can make little gains

00:38:33.180 here and there

00:38:33.800 and just look at Yukon

00:38:35.660 as one example

00:38:36.360 this is a seat

00:38:37.620 that was lost

00:38:38.580 by less than 200 votes

00:38:40.500 last time around

00:38:41.260 Jonas Smith

00:38:41.880 ran as a conservative

00:38:43.560 in 2019

00:38:44.540 he came very close

00:38:46.400 to beating liberal

00:38:47.280 Larry Bagnell

00:38:48.160 and he was trying

00:38:49.940 to run again

00:38:50.500 and then the conservatives

00:38:51.440 last week disqualified him

00:38:53.260 well just this week

00:38:54.560 Jonas Smith decided

00:38:55.580 he was going to run

00:38:56.600 as an independent

00:38:57.320 and he thinks

00:38:58.400 he has enough support

00:38:59.220 to do it

00:38:59.800 the population

00:39:00.980 in Yukon

00:39:01.780 is small enough

00:39:02.840 that if you know

00:39:03.900 what you're doing

00:39:04.560 you could mount

00:39:05.900 an independent campaign

00:39:07.440 I think

00:39:07.780 more easily

00:39:08.820 than you could

00:39:09.420 in a big city

00:39:10.200 but the challenge

00:39:11.900 is going to be

00:39:12.660 does he just

00:39:13.900 split enough votes

00:39:14.760 from the conservatives

00:39:15.460 that the liberals win

00:39:16.660 and making the conservatives

00:39:18.920 look and say

00:39:19.640 well maybe we shouldn't

00:39:21.020 have disqualified

00:39:21.700 this guy

00:39:22.300 because if we hadn't

00:39:24.020 he would have been

00:39:25.220 the conservative MP

00:39:26.300 for Yukon right now

00:39:27.260 so these are the sorts

00:39:28.460 of questions

00:39:28.960 and I don't want to start

00:39:29.980 Monday morning quarterbacking

00:39:31.860 when we're still on

00:39:32.580 like Tuesday of the week

00:39:33.860 prior here

00:39:34.540 but I'm just trying

00:39:35.540 to establish

00:39:36.080 some of the themes

00:39:37.200 that are going to

00:39:38.340 I think

00:39:38.700 have a very significant

00:39:39.700 role in looking

00:39:40.640 at what happens

00:39:41.360 so we'll have

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Juno News - August 19, 2021

She sells seashells to she-cover from the she-cession

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