Juno News - August 19, 2021


She sells seashells to she-cover from the she-cession


Episode Stats

Length

41 minutes

Words per Minute

181.2998

Word Count

7,440

Sentence Count

239

Misogynist Sentences

13

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.540 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.740 Coming up, it's day four of election 44.
00:00:16.100 We talk about Justin Trudeau's rocky start, the conservative platform,
00:00:19.700 and lots of the big picture themes emerging so far.
00:00:24.520 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to another episode of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:35.680 This is the Andrew Lawton Show on Wednesday, August 18th, 2021,
00:00:40.540 day four of the 44th general election campaign,
00:00:44.760 and it hasn't exactly gone as planned for Justin Trudeau.
00:00:49.260 I think a lot of people were, in the course of the last few weeks and months,
00:00:53.820 as election speculation was kicking into gear,
00:00:56.600 were thinking, oh yeah, this is just going to be a Trudeau majority.
00:01:00.280 And never underestimate what low expectations can accomplish
00:01:04.340 when it comes to campaigns and momentum.
00:01:07.320 Aaron O'Toole, because a lot of people had kind of assumed,
00:01:09.720 oh yeah, the election's done, it doesn't really matter,
00:01:12.060 all he had to do was come out in a very solid and clear way
00:01:15.740 and deliver a message, have a message,
00:01:18.280 and all of a sudden things are in a little bit of the wheelhouse.
00:01:22.660 If you look at some of the latest polls,
00:01:23.940 I don't like doing the total horse race stuff,
00:01:26.240 but the Conservatives are within a fighting chance of victory,
00:01:29.820 the Liberals are within fighting chance of victory,
00:01:31.980 the NDP are, well, they're here.
00:01:35.620 I will say, though, the NDP is seeing a bit of an uptick,
00:01:38.820 but a lot of the time this only comes in the campaign.
00:01:42.540 And then right before election day, people realize,
00:01:44.560 oh my God, what are we thinking?
00:01:45.360 We're not going to vote NDP.
00:01:46.400 And then they go right back down
00:01:47.700 to their natural resting place in the polls.
00:01:50.680 If you were following me on social media
00:01:53.180 or following our coverage of the election over at True North,
00:01:56.120 you'll know that I was on the campaign trail for a couple of days.
00:01:59.900 I'm back at home now and we'll be back out in the coming days
00:02:03.740 doing a bit of a combination.
00:02:05.740 When there's news happening on the road, I will be there.
00:02:08.420 When we want to break things down and get on top of what's happening,
00:02:11.960 we will be back in the studio.
00:02:13.940 And thankfully, it's only a 36-day campaign,
00:02:16.100 so I shouldn't be as crazy as last time was,
00:02:20.080 which I don't need to rehash now.
00:02:21.720 But if you've followed me for a while,
00:02:23.680 you'll no doubt know how crazy the 2019 election was
00:02:26.540 and just still have some PTSD from that.
00:02:30.460 I'm going to talk about some of the themes
00:02:32.240 that have come out in the campaign so far.
00:02:34.560 But I want to begin...
00:02:36.060 Hang on.
00:02:36.620 Before I get into the really fun stuff,
00:02:38.240 before I get into the really important stuff, rather,
00:02:40.500 I have to talk about this clip.
00:02:42.200 Justin Trudeau decided that he was going to take aim
00:02:46.000 at the greatest threat facing Canadians,
00:02:49.520 the she-cession.
00:02:52.700 Well, why don't I let him explain?
00:02:54.940 It is exactly the example of the kinds of things you need to do
00:03:00.140 to counter the she-cession and turn it into a she-covery.
00:03:05.940 Fact is, the Conservatives don't talk about that
00:03:09.480 in their lengthy platform.
00:03:12.200 So we're in the midst of a she-cession,
00:03:15.760 which calls for a she-covery.
00:03:18.840 And that is the whole shebang.
00:03:21.020 She sells seashells to get herself out of the she-cession
00:03:24.500 on the seashore, I believe is how the modern adaptation
00:03:28.280 of that old tongue twister goes.
00:03:31.100 And it's funny.
00:03:31.800 He fumbled it.
00:03:33.040 He couldn't even get the word out without screwing it up.
00:03:35.520 He was like the she-cession.
00:03:38.360 And listen, it's easy to fumble things like that.
00:03:41.060 But if you're going to commit to a path
00:03:43.280 that involves you using these ridiculous made-up phrases,
00:03:47.900 you want to do it right.
00:03:50.780 You want to do it right.
00:03:51.640 I remember years ago, Stephen Harper,
00:03:53.380 when the Liberals were pushing the green shift,
00:03:55.900 Stephen Harper had this line that he dropped called
00:03:58.180 Shift Happens.
00:03:59.100 And again, you get one shot at doing the line right,
00:04:02.540 and you can't mess it up.
00:04:03.540 And he didn't mess it up.
00:04:04.600 And then he joked after about how you got one shot,
00:04:06.860 which was one of those rarer moments
00:04:08.840 when Stephen Harper let his guard down.
00:04:10.820 But Trudeau's there promising a she-covery
00:04:13.580 to get out of the she-cession.
00:04:15.760 Well, I'm thinking like, sheesh,
00:04:17.160 what bull she is this talking about?
00:04:19.560 But interestingly enough,
00:04:21.740 I'm seeing on Twitter, no one likes it.
00:04:25.020 Even women, the ones who are supposedly being
00:04:27.360 the beneficiaries, or the beneficiaries,
00:04:30.700 I suppose, of the she-covery are thinking,
00:04:33.860 oh my God, no, this don't, like,
00:04:35.620 we didn't ask for this.
00:04:36.620 Don't blame us for this.
00:04:37.960 This is, but this is what happens
00:04:39.560 when you make identity politics and virtue signaling
00:04:42.300 the cornerstone of your campaign.
00:04:45.840 Now, interestingly enough,
00:04:47.320 Trudeau is not the first person
00:04:48.620 to come up with she-cession.
00:04:50.400 I haven't heard she-covery in the past.
00:04:52.640 So maybe he was moonlighting on that one.
00:04:54.400 I don't know.
00:04:55.500 Chrystia Sheeland was there as well at,
00:04:57.740 where were they?
00:04:58.260 They were in Markham.
00:04:58.920 I can't make a joke about Markham.
00:05:00.740 If only they were in, like,
00:05:02.680 oh no, see, now I can't think of a city
00:05:04.120 that has, like, a she in it.
00:05:06.120 They were in, like, Sheboygan.
00:05:07.580 That's in, like, northern Ontario or something.
00:05:09.600 Anyway, what's gonna happen here
00:05:11.980 is that the liberals are gonna continue to do this.
00:05:14.920 I mean, when Justin Trudeau talks like this,
00:05:17.500 it's, like, reminiscent of the whole
00:05:19.040 drink box, water, box, bottle sort of thing.
00:05:21.680 You remember that?
00:05:22.660 And what I would say is that
00:05:24.960 this is why letting Justin Trudeau speak,
00:05:28.520 in a lot of cases,
00:05:29.420 is, like, the greatest asset to conservatives.
00:05:33.640 Because the more he talks,
00:05:35.200 the more he does something like this,
00:05:36.880 like the old people-kind thing,
00:05:38.800 which became just a mockery around the world,
00:05:41.640 and for good reason.
00:05:43.860 But let's talk about the context of this.
00:05:46.040 The policy announcement was a policy
00:05:48.540 that the liberals have been pushing
00:05:49.680 since the federal budget
00:05:50.800 for $10 a day childcare for parents.
00:05:54.200 Now, if you are a parent,
00:05:55.680 you know how expensive childcare is.
00:05:57.220 You know that getting back to work
00:05:58.460 involves having to have childcare.
00:06:00.720 For a lot of parents,
00:06:01.780 they can't afford to go to work
00:06:03.000 because it just doesn't work out financially.
00:06:05.860 So, $10 a day childcare sounds great.
00:06:08.680 The problem is the liberal plan
00:06:10.360 doesn't guarantee $10 a day childcare.
00:06:13.180 It creates a number of childcare spots
00:06:16.120 that will allow some parents to access it,
00:06:20.000 while others won't.
00:06:20.980 And they say an average cost of $10 a day.
00:06:24.160 Again, it's not entirely clear
00:06:25.880 what the range will be.
00:06:28.800 But what's gonna happen here
00:06:30.140 is that only some parents
00:06:32.140 will be able to access
00:06:33.100 these liberal childcare spots.
00:06:34.860 Because what the liberal plan is,
00:06:36.880 is to create government childcare spots,
00:06:40.600 government childcare spaces.
00:06:42.460 The conservative plan
00:06:43.780 is what you'd expect
00:06:45.400 from a conservative platform.
00:06:46.960 They say, no, no, no,
00:06:47.680 we're gonna give the money to the parents,
00:06:49.380 let them find existing childcare,
00:06:51.360 basically make 75% of the childcare cost,
00:06:54.340 especially for lower income people,
00:06:56.280 a tax deductible.
00:06:57.480 That's what the conservatives are trying to do.
00:06:59.560 And again, people can debate
00:07:00.540 which childcare plan is better.
00:07:02.220 That's fine.
00:07:02.740 I'm not an expert in the area.
00:07:04.000 But they both are trying to deal
00:07:06.620 with the same problem.
00:07:08.580 And they both have different ways of doing it.
00:07:11.720 And Justin Trudeau's answer to this
00:07:13.660 is, oh, well,
00:07:14.480 the conservatives don't care about women.
00:07:17.480 The conservatives,
00:07:17.900 and interesting,
00:07:19.080 he's making a serious point,
00:07:20.540 not an accurate point,
00:07:21.420 but a serious point
00:07:22.380 that he cheapens
00:07:23.560 by using these made up buzzwords
00:07:25.760 of the she session
00:07:26.620 and the she coverie
00:07:27.900 and all of that.
00:07:28.460 And what I would say
00:07:30.240 is that he's going
00:07:32.000 to the only trick he knows,
00:07:34.340 which is invoking
00:07:36.280 this conservative boogeyman
00:07:38.120 type scenario.
00:07:39.260 In his remarks,
00:07:40.820 he not only mentioned Stephen Harper,
00:07:43.220 who is three leaders,
00:07:44.420 actually four leaders old now,
00:07:45.780 because after Stephen Harper,
00:07:47.600 you had then Ron Ambrose
00:07:49.380 as an interim leader,
00:07:50.360 then you had Andrew Scheer,
00:07:51.440 and then you had Aaron O'Toole.
00:07:52.640 So you have in this
00:07:54.540 a leader that is nowhere near
00:07:57.060 the top of the party
00:07:58.500 because he's not even a part
00:07:59.820 of the party apparatus anymore
00:08:01.360 in that sense.
00:08:02.520 And Trudeau still tries
00:08:04.120 to sort of like invoke
00:08:05.300 that Harper is just lurking
00:08:06.480 around every corner,
00:08:07.600 which, I mean,
00:08:08.280 a lot of conservatives
00:08:08.900 would probably be quite pleased with.
00:08:11.260 And then he does this.
00:08:12.620 And this is how you know
00:08:13.780 he's losing.
00:08:14.460 Les Canadiens ont travaillé trop fort
00:08:16.760 pour retourner l'austérité
00:08:18.740 et les résultats ratés des années Harper.
00:08:21.140 On austerity of the Harper years,
00:08:24.900 they worked too hard
00:08:26.260 in order to be taken aback,
00:08:28.480 taken back by the Conservative Party.
00:08:31.840 And so they would not want
00:08:35.500 to let their MPs vote
00:08:38.540 against the right to choice,
00:08:41.380 to a choice for women.
00:08:42.800 This is what voting conservatives mean.
00:08:46.400 Ah, yes.
00:08:47.280 We're talking about childcare.
00:08:49.000 We're talking about the economy.
00:08:51.020 And all of a sudden,
00:08:51.700 it becomes about abortion,
00:08:53.460 which doesn't really work
00:08:55.260 as an attack with Aaron O'Toole
00:08:56.860 because he is one of the most
00:08:59.300 clearly pro-choice leaders
00:09:01.940 the Conservatives have ever had.
00:09:04.060 And people in the party
00:09:05.100 can debate and discuss
00:09:05.980 that all they want.
00:09:06.680 But he's been immensely clear
00:09:07.820 about where he stands on this.
00:09:09.260 But that's all the liberals have.
00:09:11.020 Yeah, when Trudeau's back
00:09:11.960 is up against the wall,
00:09:12.900 when the liberals are
00:09:13.920 kind of in a corner,
00:09:14.800 it's like Harper.
00:09:17.440 And then that doesn't work.
00:09:18.320 It's like abortion.
00:09:20.400 And then that doesn't work.
00:09:21.680 And it's she session.
00:09:23.920 Yeah, that's the one she session.
00:09:25.240 So again, they have no message.
00:09:27.160 And this has been
00:09:27.820 one of the fascinating developments.
00:09:29.240 And when I talked earlier
00:09:30.200 in the show about how
00:09:32.020 basically the liberals
00:09:33.380 have gone from everyone
00:09:34.720 assuming they're going
00:09:35.440 to coast to victory
00:09:36.340 to now being in a situation
00:09:38.420 where there is a bit
00:09:39.560 of a horse race there,
00:09:40.720 a lot of this has been
00:09:42.100 because the liberals
00:09:43.100 do not have a message.
00:09:45.580 And there's no excuse for...
00:09:47.260 I shouldn't say that.
00:09:48.280 There's...
00:09:48.720 In one way,
00:09:49.800 there's no excuse for them
00:09:50.760 to have a message,
00:09:51.700 not have a message
00:09:52.480 because they knew
00:09:53.240 when the election was coming.
00:09:54.720 Everyone else was speculating.
00:09:56.380 The liberals knew.
00:09:57.300 They could have called it
00:09:58.240 at any point.
00:09:59.380 They chose to call it now.
00:10:00.800 They've had the benefit
00:10:01.620 of planning for it.
00:10:03.760 So in that sense,
00:10:05.200 they should have a message.
00:10:06.460 But the flip side
00:10:07.760 is that this is an election
00:10:09.180 that in a lot of ways
00:10:10.440 is going to be defined
00:10:11.400 by externalities.
00:10:12.920 Two in particular.
00:10:13.840 Number one, COVID.
00:10:15.100 Number two, Afghanistan.
00:10:17.320 Now, COVID was entirely predictable
00:10:19.560 for the liberals.
00:10:20.340 They should have known
00:10:21.000 because their own
00:10:22.040 public health advisor,
00:10:23.220 Teresa Tam,
00:10:23.880 has been saying,
00:10:24.420 oh, the fourth wave
00:10:25.120 or fourth wave is underway.
00:10:26.580 And then they thought,
00:10:27.620 now seems like a good enough time
00:10:29.460 for an election.
00:10:31.420 Afghanistan,
00:10:32.300 we've seen this coming
00:10:33.820 for a few weeks now.
00:10:35.020 They certainly could have pulled it.
00:10:37.060 But the complete collapse
00:10:38.460 of the Afghanistan government
00:10:39.980 in the week leading up
00:10:41.480 to the election call,
00:10:43.320 you'd think would have caused
00:10:45.880 some reevaluation
00:10:47.080 from the government,
00:10:48.160 from the liberals of,
00:10:49.300 okay, well, you know,
00:10:50.520 this is something
00:10:51.040 that we're probably going to be
00:10:52.040 facing a lot of questions about.
00:10:54.400 And here's the thing.
00:10:55.860 In a situation like that,
00:10:57.760 the liberals could benefit tremendously
00:10:59.500 if they were on the ball,
00:11:02.020 if they had an actual plan.
00:11:03.840 But they don't.
00:11:05.740 They don't have a plan.
00:11:06.680 They're floundering.
00:11:07.680 There is confusion
00:11:08.760 about whether Canadians
00:11:10.020 are even able to get out
00:11:10.960 of the country.
00:11:11.560 There's confusion
00:11:12.200 about all of these Afghan nationals
00:11:15.180 who were supporting
00:11:16.080 the Canadian mission.
00:11:17.160 Also Gurkhas from Nepal and India
00:11:19.660 who are not able
00:11:21.040 to get access to Canada
00:11:22.560 and are now dealing with
00:11:24.240 a life that is in peril
00:11:25.920 from the Taliban,
00:11:27.840 which has very quickly taken over
00:11:29.280 and had a press conference.
00:11:30.880 Yeah, the Taliban
00:11:31.520 had a press conference.
00:11:32.900 They've done more
00:11:35.020 than Joe Biden has
00:11:35.960 on the Afghanistan crisis,
00:11:37.200 as I've seen a couple of people
00:11:38.460 point out on Twitter.
00:11:41.120 So what's happening here
00:11:42.340 is Justin Trudeau,
00:11:43.880 when he's announcing
00:11:44.520 this $10 a day childcare plan,
00:11:46.360 is getting more questions
00:11:47.700 about Afghanistan
00:11:48.580 than about anything else.
00:11:50.560 His campaign launch
00:11:51.600 was being peppered
00:11:52.780 with questions
00:11:53.360 about Afghanistan.
00:11:55.340 And I'm glad the media
00:11:56.540 is paying attention to it.
00:11:57.600 It's important.
00:11:58.980 But how can he be
00:12:00.020 the prime minister
00:12:01.100 of a country
00:12:02.580 that does have
00:12:03.600 a vested interest
00:12:04.540 in what's happening
00:12:05.200 in Afghanistan
00:12:05.820 while he's also serving
00:12:07.620 as the liberal leader
00:12:08.940 campaigning across the country?
00:12:11.140 Today he was out
00:12:12.040 in Vancouver.
00:12:13.060 He went to Montreal.
00:12:13.900 I think he's done
00:12:14.420 like four provinces so far.
00:12:15.900 He's done Ontario, Quebec,
00:12:17.760 maybe just three,
00:12:18.580 Ontario, Quebec,
00:12:19.300 and British Columbia.
00:12:20.120 But he's done
00:12:20.600 different cities within there.
00:12:22.620 And interestingly enough,
00:12:23.980 yesterday Brian Passifuma,
00:12:25.540 the Toronto Sun,
00:12:26.420 found he does some great work
00:12:27.860 with flight tracking.
00:12:29.200 And he found
00:12:29.920 that there was
00:12:30.480 a government challenger jet
00:12:32.140 that had gone
00:12:33.520 on the day of the election call,
00:12:35.720 Sunday,
00:12:36.460 from Ottawa to Honolulu.
00:12:38.900 And that was making
00:12:40.360 a lot of people speculate
00:12:41.340 as to,
00:12:41.800 oh, well, who's this?
00:12:42.560 You know,
00:12:42.700 was like Sophie Gregoire Trudeau
00:12:44.080 wanting to get out of town?
00:12:45.360 Or did Mary Simon,
00:12:46.640 the governor general,
00:12:47.380 say, well,
00:12:47.820 I've done my part,
00:12:48.840 I'm out.
00:12:49.480 I reached out
00:12:50.220 to the Department
00:12:50.980 of National Defense
00:12:51.960 and they were very transparent.
00:12:53.900 They said,
00:12:54.200 the acting chief
00:12:55.660 of the defense staff
00:12:56.640 and a few colleagues
00:12:57.660 have gone to Honolulu
00:12:59.080 for a conference.
00:13:01.120 A conference that deals
00:13:02.400 with, you know,
00:13:03.200 Indo-Pacific security interests.
00:13:05.020 It's a Hawaiian military conference,
00:13:06.760 which, to be honest,
00:13:07.880 I'd rather be covering that
00:13:08.860 than the election,
00:13:09.540 no offense.
00:13:09.980 If I can convince Candace
00:13:11.600 that I need to go to Hawaii
00:13:12.540 for work,
00:13:13.600 I will consider myself
00:13:14.860 as having done a job
00:13:16.340 well done.
00:13:17.280 But here's the thing.
00:13:19.020 We are in the midst
00:13:19.860 of a crisis
00:13:20.580 where there is a place
00:13:22.500 for Canadian military response,
00:13:25.160 at least to facilitate
00:13:26.880 the humanitarian side of things.
00:13:28.760 And we've got a prime minister
00:13:30.680 who's on the campaign trail
00:13:32.200 and we've got a chief
00:13:33.540 of the defense staff
00:13:34.320 who's at a conference
00:13:35.600 in Hawaii.
00:13:37.040 So this is pretty much saying
00:13:39.440 that Canada is not going
00:13:41.020 to have a role in this.
00:13:42.120 So all of these promises
00:13:43.600 that Canada is making,
00:13:45.640 oh yeah,
00:13:46.140 we're looking after people,
00:13:47.260 we're helping,
00:13:47.840 we're doing this,
00:13:48.560 are not really being reflected
00:13:50.900 by what the decision makers
00:13:52.920 are doing
00:13:53.920 or even where they are.
00:13:56.020 The two people
00:13:56.880 that need to be
00:13:57.360 most front and center
00:13:58.080 right now
00:13:58.600 are incommunicado,
00:14:00.420 effectively.
00:14:01.900 And I want to point out
00:14:02.860 Alex Mendez,
00:14:03.880 Alexandra Mendez,
00:14:04.840 who is a long-time
00:14:06.100 liberal member of parliament.
00:14:07.400 She's now a liberal candidate
00:14:09.120 in Quebec.
00:14:09.920 And she basically has said,
00:14:12.240 ah, there's nothing
00:14:12.880 Trudeau can do.
00:14:13.840 So she's in this Twitter
00:14:15.000 back and forth
00:14:15.800 with journalist Stephen Marr
00:14:17.420 and she says,
00:14:18.060 you know,
00:14:18.900 he says Trudeau should do more
00:14:20.280 and she says,
00:14:20.820 what?
00:14:21.180 Get into his Superman suit
00:14:22.620 and fly them out
00:14:23.800 all by himself?
00:14:25.440 Honestly,
00:14:26.020 if the US with boots
00:14:27.100 on the ground
00:14:27.600 and limitless intelligence
00:14:28.740 can't do much
00:14:29.400 to properly secure
00:14:30.340 the airport,
00:14:31.280 what exactly do you expect
00:14:32.700 our PM to do?
00:14:34.060 So her basic response
00:14:35.420 is, ah,
00:14:35.800 Trudeau can do nothing,
00:14:36.700 Canada can do nothing,
00:14:37.620 so just, you know,
00:14:38.300 leave it alone.
00:14:39.160 And then later on,
00:14:40.280 she says that
00:14:41.140 she bets the PM
00:14:42.380 probably feels powerless.
00:14:45.280 So this doesn't square
00:14:46.560 with what Justin Trudeau
00:14:47.600 has been saying
00:14:48.140 on his briefings
00:14:49.080 where he's been telling
00:14:49.900 Canadians all the things
00:14:51.000 that he can do
00:14:51.940 and that Canada's going to do
00:14:53.060 and that we're not going
00:14:53.700 to leave our men
00:14:54.600 and women behind
00:14:55.400 and now all of a sudden
00:14:56.680 his own MP is saying,
00:14:57.780 ah, yeah,
00:14:58.120 I mean,
00:14:58.320 what do you want him to do?
00:14:59.860 He's just the Prime Minister.
00:15:00.980 It's not like he's
00:15:01.780 involved in this.
00:15:03.040 He doesn't have
00:15:03.400 a Superman suit,
00:15:04.280 which, by the way,
00:15:05.300 he does.
00:15:06.180 But I guess like anything else,
00:15:07.400 it is not as advertised.
00:15:08.840 He didn't get the flying powers
00:15:10.260 that went along
00:15:11.100 with the suit,
00:15:12.240 apparently.
00:15:13.360 Now, as I've said
00:15:14.100 on previous shows,
00:15:15.060 I'm not one of these
00:15:15.960 pearl clutchers
00:15:16.720 that thinks an election
00:15:17.580 is a bad idea right now.
00:15:19.300 I think that we have
00:15:20.360 gone through a monumental
00:15:21.560 challenge in the last
00:15:22.800 year and a half.
00:15:23.420 In particular,
00:15:24.360 we have big challenges ahead.
00:15:25.820 Canadians deserve a say.
00:15:27.520 And interestingly enough,
00:15:28.620 that was Justin Trudeau's
00:15:29.780 message on Sunday.
00:15:31.560 Rarely do I agree
00:15:33.140 in perfect synchronicity
00:15:34.840 with Trudeau's talking points,
00:15:36.160 but he sold it very well.
00:15:37.900 He said, listen,
00:15:38.800 Canadians deserve a say.
00:15:40.120 Canadians deserve a choice.
00:15:41.220 He didn't deal with
00:15:42.360 the safety question at all.
00:15:43.800 Remember, all of the
00:15:44.740 opposition parties
00:15:45.820 have been saying,
00:15:46.460 oh, but the fourth wave,
00:15:47.280 it's so dangerous
00:15:48.020 to go to the polls.
00:15:49.100 He just said, listen,
00:15:50.460 Canadians deserve a say,
00:15:51.940 and that's that.
00:15:52.940 And I would be inclined
00:15:54.280 to agree with that.
00:15:55.780 But here's the thing.
00:15:56.700 If Canadians deserve a say,
00:15:57.860 that cuts both ways.
00:15:58.820 They can just as easily
00:15:59.760 say to you,
00:16:00.620 yeah, you know what?
00:16:01.300 We don't think you are
00:16:02.320 doing all that bang up
00:16:03.780 a job here.
00:16:05.800 Now, when we look at this
00:16:07.720 and what's likely to happen
00:16:09.680 in the election,
00:16:10.200 Afghanistan's not getting
00:16:11.380 better overnight.
00:16:13.000 So Trudeau's going to continue
00:16:14.200 to be off message.
00:16:15.240 They need to do a very
00:16:16.100 significant course correction.
00:16:17.960 Aaron O'Toole,
00:16:18.680 for his part,
00:16:19.340 and we'll talk a little bit
00:16:20.260 about his platform
00:16:21.060 in the next segment here.
00:16:22.820 He's been pretty clear
00:16:23.980 and pretty consistent
00:16:24.740 on his message.
00:16:25.720 He's been asked about
00:16:26.580 Afghanistan too,
00:16:27.500 but he's in the opposition.
00:16:28.700 So he's able to just say,
00:16:30.340 being a former military guy,
00:16:32.020 oh yeah,
00:16:32.340 I would do this differently
00:16:33.260 and this differently.
00:16:34.360 And then it kind of furthers
00:16:35.680 everyone going to ask Trudeau of,
00:16:37.400 okay, well,
00:16:38.120 why aren't you doing this?
00:16:40.880 So that's one of the dynamics here
00:16:42.600 is that Aaron O'Toole's strength,
00:16:44.400 one of his key strengths
00:16:45.380 is foreign policy and defense.
00:16:47.720 Now, these are not normally
00:16:48.880 election issues,
00:16:49.700 as I've said,
00:16:50.640 but this may be the exception
00:16:52.100 to the rule
00:16:52.940 because the election
00:16:54.300 is being called
00:16:54.980 in the midst
00:16:55.600 of this global crisis,
00:16:57.780 which could become
00:16:58.880 a bigger crisis
00:17:00.340 depending on how
00:17:01.140 the next few weeks
00:17:02.100 shapes up.
00:17:02.740 And the conservatives
00:17:03.820 actually are leaning into this.
00:17:05.800 They had a press conference
00:17:06.860 with some of their candidates
00:17:08.280 in the earlier part
00:17:10.260 of this week.
00:17:10.980 And in that press conference,
00:17:12.660 they spoke about
00:17:13.620 the humanitarian side,
00:17:14.940 the defense side.
00:17:15.920 And I wanted to share
00:17:17.060 a brief exchange.
00:17:18.280 I'd asked a question
00:17:19.100 that James Bazan,
00:17:20.720 who is the conservative
00:17:21.580 defense critic,
00:17:22.520 had answered.
00:17:23.760 And also Alex Ruff,
00:17:25.200 who is the conservative
00:17:26.140 veterans affairs critic,
00:17:27.400 but a former Afghanistan
00:17:29.540 veteran himself
00:17:30.560 who had a very interesting
00:17:31.820 perspective on this.
00:17:33.000 And it's a bit of
00:17:33.460 a longer exchange,
00:17:34.500 but I still thought
00:17:35.280 it was illuminating.
00:17:36.180 So I wanted to play it for you.
00:17:37.500 I know the previous
00:17:38.460 conservative government
00:17:39.740 was a very,
00:17:41.240 was a proponent
00:17:42.240 of the Afghanistan mission.
00:17:43.700 And I'm curious
00:17:44.540 if there's any re-evaluation
00:17:47.100 of Canada's role
00:17:48.460 in this mission
00:17:49.060 and more forward-looking
00:17:50.460 how what's happening here
00:17:52.240 would shape
00:17:53.160 a future conservative
00:17:54.300 government's approach
00:17:55.260 to similar interventions.
00:17:57.400 I'd like Alex
00:18:00.020 to actually follow up
00:18:01.140 on this,
00:18:01.620 but, you know,
00:18:02.080 I think all of our
00:18:03.340 members of the Canadian
00:18:04.440 Armed Forces
00:18:04.840 who serve there,
00:18:06.000 those that are
00:18:06.620 currently in uniform
00:18:07.640 and those that were
00:18:08.340 in uniform
00:18:08.720 are proud of the work
00:18:10.540 they did there
00:18:11.380 and they should be
00:18:12.000 because they provided
00:18:13.620 a great deal of peace,
00:18:15.100 security and opportunity
00:18:16.080 for Afghanis
00:18:17.640 that were opposed
00:18:18.920 to the Taliban.
00:18:20.720 You know,
00:18:20.960 we need to make sure
00:18:24.160 that going forward
00:18:25.260 that we'll be working
00:18:26.060 with our international
00:18:26.900 counterparts
00:18:27.400 and yesterday
00:18:27.880 in our platform
00:18:29.920 that was released
00:18:30.580 we talk about
00:18:31.680 how we're going
00:18:32.520 to work
00:18:32.800 in the Middle East
00:18:33.440 and with other
00:18:34.200 international partners
00:18:35.620 to bring increased
00:18:37.300 peace and security.
00:18:38.460 So we take this
00:18:39.640 seriously.
00:18:40.920 We believe that
00:18:41.960 Canada has a role
00:18:42.860 to play
00:18:43.340 in these international affairs
00:18:45.280 and when we have
00:18:46.340 to send in
00:18:46.960 our armed forces
00:18:48.280 to defend those
00:18:49.640 that can't defend
00:18:50.640 themselves,
00:18:51.480 we'll do that
00:18:52.060 with our coalition partners.
00:18:53.260 So, you know,
00:18:55.580 I know that
00:18:57.040 those that serve
00:18:57.900 are always prepared
00:18:59.160 to deploy
00:18:59.820 and deal
00:19:00.940 with these circumstances
00:19:01.940 because it's in
00:19:02.600 Canada's best interest
00:19:03.620 to take away
00:19:05.640 opportunities
00:19:06.980 for organizations
00:19:08.400 like the Taliban
00:19:09.200 to grow more terrorists
00:19:11.020 and attack us
00:19:11.960 here at home.
00:19:12.460 Alex?
00:19:16.200 Yeah, so as a follow-up
00:19:17.920 to what James said,
00:19:19.280 our Canadian Armed Forces
00:19:20.500 and, you know,
00:19:21.740 maybe I have a biased opinion
00:19:23.020 or the best trained
00:19:23.980 in the world
00:19:25.480 where we don't take
00:19:27.360 any mission lightly
00:19:28.320 and we're prepared
00:19:30.000 for it
00:19:30.520 and there's no
00:19:31.140 risk-free mission
00:19:32.580 and that's not
00:19:33.580 what our Canadian Armed Forces
00:19:34.620 personnel sign up for.
00:19:35.720 If you ask them
00:19:36.820 on a one-on-one
00:19:37.780 case basis,
00:19:39.860 I don't think
00:19:40.800 you'll find a single one
00:19:41.700 that wouldn't be willing
00:19:42.700 to go in
00:19:43.180 and do the right thing
00:19:43.960 right now
00:19:44.400 to get these Afghans out.
00:19:46.400 To go, Andrew,
00:19:47.200 to your question
00:19:47.980 about, you know,
00:19:50.120 re-evaluating,
00:19:51.180 well, I can only speak
00:19:52.440 from my personal opinion
00:19:54.080 and personal perspective
00:19:55.240 but there's a whole generation
00:19:56.540 of young girls
00:19:57.920 that got educated,
00:19:59.680 that are growing up
00:20:01.440 knowing that they have
00:20:02.420 options available to them
00:20:04.100 and I think
00:20:05.700 that's the fundamental change
00:20:07.280 by planting that seed
00:20:08.400 of hope
00:20:08.880 and inspiration
00:20:10.120 to that country
00:20:11.460 that's going to make
00:20:12.040 the difference long-term.
00:20:13.360 Unfortunately,
00:20:13.840 it's a major setback.
00:20:15.140 In fact,
00:20:15.440 I'll even use the word failure
00:20:16.720 of what's gone on
00:20:18.340 with the U.S.
00:20:19.180 or sorry,
00:20:19.620 the coalition,
00:20:20.940 our own interventions
00:20:22.060 in Afghanistan
00:20:22.940 but I am still hopeful
00:20:24.520 and optimistic
00:20:25.480 that eventually
00:20:26.680 the Afghan people
00:20:28.300 themselves
00:20:28.820 will rise
00:20:30.420 to the occasion
00:20:31.140 and that country
00:20:32.160 is going to be better off
00:20:33.340 because of our
00:20:34.020 intervention there
00:20:34.780 over the past
00:20:35.660 decade and a bit.
00:20:37.600 No, and I thought
00:20:38.080 that was a very good answer.
00:20:39.460 I do think
00:20:40.540 that there's a bigger
00:20:41.460 picture discussion here
00:20:42.640 about intervention
00:20:44.060 and when intervention
00:20:45.400 is warranted
00:20:46.140 because what's happening
00:20:47.480 in Afghanistan
00:20:48.120 is showing that
00:20:48.960 the 20 years of work
00:20:50.420 by multiple countries
00:20:51.560 including the supposedly
00:20:52.940 most powerful military
00:20:53.980 in the world,
00:20:54.620 the United States
00:20:55.240 can be unraveled
00:20:56.340 in the course
00:20:57.220 of a few weeks
00:20:58.100 by some thugs
00:20:59.360 from the desert
00:21:00.440 and the mountains
00:21:01.040 with surplus Soviet guns.
00:21:03.680 So the reality is
00:21:05.600 I do think
00:21:06.440 we need to have
00:21:06.940 a significant discussion
00:21:07.940 about intervention
00:21:08.700 but we are here
00:21:10.260 if we are leaving
00:21:11.680 do it right
00:21:12.520 and that's been
00:21:13.940 the dynamic here.
00:21:14.960 Joe Biden has said
00:21:15.980 no, we said
00:21:16.520 we're going to get out
00:21:17.120 so we're getting out.
00:21:18.600 I don't think anyone
00:21:19.240 thinks withdrawal
00:21:20.040 is a bad idea.
00:21:21.640 Well, I shouldn't say anyone.
00:21:22.800 I don't think withdrawal
00:21:23.680 is necessarily a bad idea
00:21:25.620 to a lot of people
00:21:26.560 but it needs to be done
00:21:28.040 properly
00:21:28.700 not with just this
00:21:29.640 complete and abject
00:21:30.520 surrender to Taliban
00:21:32.100 where the coalition
00:21:33.640 has to just like
00:21:34.500 desperately hope
00:21:35.620 it can cling to control
00:21:37.040 of the Kabul airport
00:21:38.500 which is not exactly
00:21:39.840 a guarantee at this point.
00:21:42.360 So this is now
00:21:43.400 an election
00:21:43.920 that Justin Trudeau
00:21:44.940 cannot control.
00:21:46.020 If there is this
00:21:47.040 fourth wave spike
00:21:48.040 in September
00:21:48.600 when people go back
00:21:49.740 to school
00:21:50.120 that's going to be
00:21:50.720 something he has
00:21:51.340 to contend with
00:21:52.000 and if there's a flare-up
00:21:53.240 in Afghanistan
00:21:53.920 that's going to be
00:21:54.620 something he contends with
00:21:55.940 and apart from this
00:21:57.120 $10 child care plan
00:21:58.520 which I only know about
00:21:59.940 because I was watching
00:22:00.860 the she-covery
00:22:01.600 she-session clip
00:22:02.660 over and over
00:22:03.320 I don't know
00:22:04.280 what Justin Trudeau
00:22:05.180 is actually selling
00:22:06.560 and if Canadian voters
00:22:08.360 don't either
00:22:08.960 it will be very bad news
00:22:11.120 for the Liberal campaign.
00:22:12.220 We've got to take a break here
00:22:13.160 we'll break down
00:22:14.000 some of the other
00:22:14.580 nuts and bolts
00:22:15.280 of the campaign
00:22:15.940 when we return
00:22:16.700 here on
00:22:17.280 The Andrew Lawton Show
00:22:18.180 stay tuned.
00:22:20.060 You're tuned in
00:22:21.280 to The Andrew Lawton Show
00:22:22.780 Hey, welcome back
00:22:25.440 to The Andrew Lawton Show
00:22:26.800 here on True North
00:22:28.120 As many of you know
00:22:29.440 I mentioned it earlier on
00:22:30.620 I kicked off the week
00:22:31.860 in Ottawa
00:22:32.680 covering mostly
00:22:33.940 the Conservative launch
00:22:35.360 but also a kick-off event
00:22:37.560 by Maxime Bernier
00:22:38.540 for the People's Party
00:22:39.920 which was also taking place
00:22:41.220 in one of the days
00:22:42.560 and it was kind of interesting
00:22:44.020 because this is going to be
00:22:45.500 a very different election
00:22:46.700 normally the candidates
00:22:48.360 hit the ground running
00:22:49.240 they're jet-setting
00:22:50.380 all across the country
00:22:51.420 Trudeau had two planes
00:22:52.520 last time
00:22:53.080 I don't know yet
00:22:53.700 if he has just the one
00:22:55.280 or if he has the second plane
00:22:56.860 for the costumes
00:22:57.580 and cargo this time around
00:22:59.000 but interestingly
00:23:00.560 the Conservatives
00:23:01.480 have put a lot of money
00:23:02.320 into this studio
00:23:03.180 in Ottawa
00:23:03.680 at the Westin Hotel
00:23:05.420 and because of that
00:23:06.520 they're kind of wanting
00:23:07.640 to get their money's worth
00:23:08.600 out of it
00:23:08.960 so they're going to be
00:23:09.500 doing a lot of events
00:23:10.460 based in Ottawa
00:23:11.660 they had the first two days
00:23:13.400 of the campaign
00:23:14.000 in Ottawa
00:23:14.440 as a matter of fact
00:23:15.380 and one of those
00:23:16.800 was the platform announcement
00:23:18.280 which came pretty early
00:23:20.000 last time
00:23:20.700 the Conservatives
00:23:21.480 dropped their platform
00:23:22.420 relatively late
00:23:23.920 into the election
00:23:24.900 and they were criticized
00:23:25.720 heavily for not having
00:23:27.220 a platform for much
00:23:28.100 of the campaign
00:23:28.720 this time they got it out
00:23:30.660 on day two
00:23:31.760 of the writ period
00:23:33.080 and I took the time
00:23:34.640 I was actually in the
00:23:35.600 they call it a
00:23:36.300 well they call it an embargo
00:23:37.700 but it's kind of a
00:23:38.980 de facto lock-up of sorts
00:23:40.560 when you're in a room
00:23:41.780 with other journalists
00:23:42.540 and some of the architects
00:23:43.720 of the platform
00:23:44.520 and you get to read through it
00:23:46.560 and write stories
00:23:47.560 ahead of time
00:23:48.440 for when it's announced
00:23:50.000 but you can't actually
00:23:50.800 share anything about it
00:23:51.860 and it's good
00:23:53.040 because you actually
00:23:53.720 get the time
00:23:54.220 to go through
00:23:54.720 and find some of the
00:23:55.740 the oddities in it
00:23:57.320 and when I say oddities
00:23:58.200 I don't mean
00:23:58.800 in an insulting way
00:24:00.040 I just mean
00:24:00.580 just bear with me here
00:24:02.580 so the whole thing
00:24:03.640 is here's the
00:24:04.700 the picture
00:24:05.460 of AeroTool
00:24:06.540 which has been
00:24:07.700 likened to Mike Holmes
00:24:09.420 it's been likened
00:24:10.400 to Mr. Clean
00:24:11.220 it's been likened
00:24:12.900 to an edition
00:24:13.660 of Men's Health Magazine
00:24:14.740 which I think
00:24:15.380 they were going for
00:24:16.400 the magazine look
00:24:17.720 because it says like
00:24:18.380 you know summer 2021
00:24:19.300 and it's like
00:24:20.120 the magazine style font
00:24:21.420 and it's how long
00:24:23.420 it's like 160 pages
00:24:26.120 so there's a lot in it
00:24:28.180 and you get a lot of things
00:24:29.640 that just to put
00:24:31.140 you know the energy section
00:24:32.280 is you know
00:24:32.880 two whole pages
00:24:34.080 plus some more
00:24:35.200 but then you get
00:24:36.220 little things
00:24:37.020 that are buried
00:24:37.800 that you know
00:24:38.740 are not going to get
00:24:39.440 a lot of attention
00:24:40.140 but they're actually
00:24:40.780 they're in there
00:24:41.260 for a reason
00:24:41.860 and that's kind of
00:24:43.180 what I liked
00:24:43.780 in this process
00:24:44.940 is looking at
00:24:45.860 some of these smaller things
00:24:47.060 that I know
00:24:47.800 the mainstream media
00:24:48.600 is not going to pick up on
00:24:49.840 or care about
00:24:51.020 but I think
00:24:51.600 are immensely relevant
00:24:52.920 and a few of those
00:24:54.000 that I pulled out
00:24:54.760 were the section
00:24:56.180 on CBC
00:24:57.080 and on firearms
00:24:59.020 and those two
00:25:00.480 I actually want to focus on
00:25:01.660 in just a second
00:25:02.600 because these are two
00:25:03.440 red meat issues
00:25:04.320 for conservatives
00:25:05.100 that might not
00:25:06.700 translate necessarily
00:25:08.220 to the general population
00:25:09.840 he promised
00:25:10.980 in the leadership race
00:25:12.020 to defund CBC
00:25:13.560 full stop
00:25:14.300 CBC English
00:25:15.220 CBC Online
00:25:16.840 and also CBC News Network
00:25:19.420 it was defund
00:25:20.760 and privatize
00:25:22.440 and in this platform
00:25:24.860 it's very different
00:25:26.460 in this platform
00:25:27.260 he commits
00:25:28.260 to a review
00:25:29.520 of the mandate
00:25:30.560 and that review
00:25:32.600 will assess
00:25:33.580 the viability
00:25:34.580 of possibly changing
00:25:36.740 the business model
00:25:38.060 to something
00:25:38.680 along the lines
00:25:39.480 of PBS
00:25:39.920 it's not talking
00:25:40.700 about defunding
00:25:41.520 it's not talking
00:25:42.740 about privatization
00:25:43.780 and this is
00:25:44.720 there's no two ways
00:25:45.820 about it
00:25:46.140 this is a significant
00:25:47.320 walk back
00:25:48.180 from what was promised
00:25:49.780 in the leadership
00:25:50.660 it's just completely
00:25:51.780 significant
00:25:52.400 and here's the thing
00:25:54.040 when I wrote a story
00:25:55.080 about this
00:25:55.600 at TNC.news
00:25:57.640 and a lot of the response
00:25:58.620 was frustration
00:26:00.120 a lot of the response
00:26:01.220 was well
00:26:01.580 but he can't come out
00:26:02.320 and say it
00:26:02.900 you know
00:26:03.840 so this is what he has to do
00:26:05.200 but I said
00:26:05.520 well he already has said it
00:26:06.640 he already has said it
00:26:08.240 so if he thought
00:26:08.860 it was important enough
00:26:09.640 to say then
00:26:10.240 he should be able
00:26:11.120 to stand by it now
00:26:12.220 and I was
00:26:13.320 I must admit
00:26:14.040 surprised
00:26:14.540 I had talked about it
00:26:15.440 with a few people
00:26:16.060 and I said
00:26:16.400 I don't think
00:26:16.880 the CBC thing
00:26:17.620 is even going to be
00:26:18.220 in the platform
00:26:18.840 but it was there
00:26:20.260 and I asked him
00:26:21.260 about this discrepancy
00:26:22.300 and I'll let you
00:26:22.820 hear the answer
00:26:23.440 for yourself
00:26:24.040 in your leadership
00:26:25.680 platform last year
00:26:26.880 you committed
00:26:27.400 to privatizing
00:26:28.540 CBC News Network
00:26:29.760 CBC English TV
00:26:31.000 and ultimately
00:26:31.720 ending funding
00:26:32.540 to CBC Digital
00:26:33.720 in this platform
00:26:35.240 however
00:26:35.560 you're only committing
00:26:36.360 to review
00:26:37.280 quote
00:26:37.780 assessing the viability
00:26:39.180 of refocusing
00:26:40.220 unquote
00:26:40.800 help me understand
00:26:42.060 that
00:26:42.260 will you be fulfilling
00:26:43.120 your leadership pledge
00:26:44.120 to privatize
00:26:45.760 and defund
00:26:46.260 those CBC departments
00:26:47.320 in a first mandate
00:26:48.180 I think it's unfair
00:26:50.800 for private sector
00:26:52.540 media outlets
00:26:53.300 that are struggling
00:26:54.100 to transition
00:26:54.860 to digital
00:26:55.960 that are struggling
00:26:56.760 to gain advertising
00:26:58.380 revenue
00:26:59.000 to see the state
00:27:00.460 competing against them
00:27:01.480 particularly
00:27:01.980 in areas of digital
00:27:04.100 where the
00:27:05.000 the
00:27:05.280 the
00:27:05.940 the CBC increases
00:27:07.400 have actually made it
00:27:08.280 harder for the private sector
00:27:09.340 and then Mr. Trudeau
00:27:10.280 creates a media bailout fund
00:27:12.860 to
00:27:14.080 to deal with
00:27:14.640 some of the challenges
00:27:15.340 he's crossed
00:27:16.180 so
00:27:16.460 it is the time
00:27:17.480 to
00:27:17.700 to modernize
00:27:18.500 it is the time
00:27:19.160 to respect
00:27:19.740 the public interest mandate
00:27:21.340 done by CBC
00:27:22.220 in terms of radio
00:27:23.740 being
00:27:24.140 non-commercial
00:27:26.120 the service to rural communities
00:27:28.200 French language
00:27:29.140 services are critical
00:27:30.300 and indigenous languages
00:27:31.840 are critical as well
00:27:33.360 but we are going to review
00:27:34.960 where there is competition
00:27:36.220 with the private sector
00:27:37.620 we need a high
00:27:38.580 a competitive
00:27:39.780 and successful
00:27:41.020 private sector
00:27:41.840 in all media
00:27:42.560 and we need to
00:27:43.660 balance the playing field
00:27:45.100 with the American web giants
00:27:47.260 but without attacking
00:27:48.420 Canadians
00:27:49.380 liberties on social media
00:27:50.920 no real answer
00:27:52.520 he talks about
00:27:53.440 the business model
00:27:54.300 but effectively
00:27:55.260 this is a walk back
00:27:56.620 and there's no way
00:27:57.460 to defend it
00:27:58.220 but here's the thing
00:27:59.300 I will say
00:27:59.840 I was very pleased
00:28:00.940 with the firearms section
00:28:02.300 because
00:28:02.600 I had previously
00:28:03.780 spoken to Aaron O'Toole
00:28:05.060 at a press conference
00:28:05.920 and asked about this
00:28:06.760 and he gave an answer
00:28:07.600 that was very ambiguous
00:28:09.220 that I know a lot of gun owners
00:28:10.580 were annoyed by
00:28:11.460 and it was so bad
00:28:12.780 that a couple of days later
00:28:13.840 he cleared it up
00:28:14.700 and gave a very decisive view
00:28:16.440 of what the Conservatives
00:28:17.840 will do on firearms
00:28:18.760 and I was pleased
00:28:19.740 that in this platform
00:28:20.920 the same thing is there
00:28:22.600 the Conservatives
00:28:23.300 are committing to a repeal
00:28:24.760 of the May 2020
00:28:25.760 Order and Council
00:28:26.740 they're committing
00:28:27.660 to a repeal
00:28:28.440 of Bill C-71
00:28:29.580 they're committing
00:28:30.680 to a top-to-bottom
00:28:32.420 refresh
00:28:33.360 a modernization
00:28:34.720 if you will
00:28:35.300 of the Firearms Act
00:28:37.320 which is one of the most
00:28:38.080 flawed pieces of legislation
00:28:39.680 in Canada
00:28:40.380 which would also put clarity
00:28:42.200 in the classification system
00:28:43.700 and I don't want to get
00:28:45.260 too in the weeds on this
00:28:46.180 I would encourage you
00:28:47.320 if you haven't already
00:28:48.140 to go and check out
00:28:48.900 my documentary series
00:28:50.160 Assaulted
00:28:51.140 Justin Trudeau's War
00:28:52.160 on Gun Owners
00:28:52.780 that's at
00:28:53.280 assaulted.ca
00:28:54.380 and in that series
00:28:55.660 you'll hear some of the issues
00:28:57.020 with the status quo
00:28:58.160 in firearms law
00:28:59.420 in Canada
00:29:00.420 but the classification system
00:29:02.520 allows guns
00:29:03.480 to be prohibited overnight
00:29:04.700 there's a lot of ambiguity
00:29:06.540 about which guns
00:29:08.100 fall into which category
00:29:09.400 so for a Conservative government
00:29:11.280 to commit to
00:29:12.440 doing a top-to-bottom
00:29:14.400 review of this
00:29:15.380 I think is a
00:29:16.420 significant
00:29:17.480 significant step
00:29:19.120 in the right direction
00:29:20.180 other things
00:29:21.400 in the platform
00:29:21.980 that were noteworthy
00:29:23.040 balancing the budget
00:29:24.680 within 10 years
00:29:25.500 this one
00:29:26.420 was heavily criticized
00:29:27.620 by the Canadian
00:29:29.100 Taxpayers Federation
00:29:30.140 because they said
00:29:31.480 it wasn't clear
00:29:32.260 how he was going to do it
00:29:33.760 and I will say
00:29:34.960 there's a significant question
00:29:36.560 to be asked there
00:29:38.140 we've had the
00:29:39.080 Parliamentary Budget Officer
00:29:40.280 say that Canada
00:29:41.200 is on track to run
00:29:42.260 deficits until 2070
00:29:44.080 for 50 years
00:29:45.100 so any government
00:29:46.500 that says
00:29:46.840 I can balance it in 10
00:29:48.380 deserves to be heard out
00:29:50.300 I asked him on Sunday
00:29:52.580 how he's going to get it done
00:29:54.300 in September
00:29:55.540 you pledged to
00:29:56.660 balance the budget
00:29:57.580 within 10 years
00:29:58.840 more recently
00:29:59.760 we've heard projections
00:30:00.960 from the Parliamentary Budget Officer
00:30:02.700 that we could be running
00:30:03.540 deficits
00:30:04.040 until 2070
00:30:05.760 for 50 years
00:30:06.740 do you think that
00:30:07.780 balancing in 10 years
00:30:09.020 is still feasible
00:30:09.880 and if so
00:30:10.700 what would that
00:30:11.360 course correction
00:30:12.060 from an O'Toole government
00:30:13.200 look like?
00:30:15.200 It looks like
00:30:16.160 Canada's recovery plan
00:30:17.400 our five-point plan
00:30:18.780 to secure the future
00:30:20.100 we will get the budget
00:30:21.820 back to balance
00:30:22.780 over the course
00:30:23.340 of the next decade
00:30:24.140 our fifth pillar
00:30:25.480 because our first pillar
00:30:26.780 is going to get people
00:30:27.500 working
00:30:27.960 in all sectors
00:30:29.440 of the economy
00:30:30.120 and in all regions
00:30:31.040 of the country
00:30:31.560 we're the only party
00:30:33.180 that supports people
00:30:34.500 getting back to work
00:30:35.360 in the energy
00:30:36.340 the softwood lumber
00:30:37.320 steel
00:30:37.820 aluminum
00:30:38.340 our fabricators
00:30:39.580 we value small businesses
00:30:41.420 and we'll have
00:30:42.560 very detailed programs
00:30:44.760 to help
00:30:45.240 those in hospitality
00:30:46.980 tourism
00:30:47.540 hanging on
00:30:48.300 by a thread
00:30:49.420 we will have the economy
00:30:51.120 surging
00:30:51.800 in the right direction
00:30:53.140 for all Canadians
00:30:54.580 and that will allow us
00:30:56.300 to balance the budget
00:30:57.600 over the course
00:30:58.160 of the next decade
00:30:58.840 by helping people
00:30:59.920 get back to work
00:31:01.360 in all parts
00:31:02.220 of this country
00:31:02.700 and I will say
00:31:03.600 I mean the idea
00:31:04.220 of a 10-year pledge
00:31:05.740 is a bit of a disingenuous one
00:31:07.900 because even if you get elected
00:31:08.900 there's no guarantee
00:31:09.540 you're going to be there
00:31:10.100 for 10 years
00:31:10.780 but you have to prove
00:31:12.120 that you're planning ahead
00:31:13.100 so that's the point
00:31:13.900 of stuff like this
00:31:14.660 in 2019
00:31:16.080 Andrew Scheer
00:31:16.820 had promised a law
00:31:18.260 that would require governments
00:31:19.480 to have balanced budgets
00:31:20.600 but the problem with that
00:31:21.920 is that it wouldn't kick in
00:31:23.040 until four years after
00:31:24.520 he had been elected
00:31:25.880 so it was kind of a law
00:31:27.220 that would have bound
00:31:28.540 future governments
00:31:29.480 but not necessarily his
00:31:31.040 and that's a danger here
00:31:32.920 when you have governments
00:31:33.720 that aren't prepared
00:31:34.340 to do the tough work themselves
00:31:35.780 to balance the budget
00:31:37.080 but say it's so important
00:31:38.220 to do it
00:31:38.720 so that's why
00:31:39.940 I was interested in that
00:31:40.960 and I'll still focus on it
00:31:42.180 again
00:31:42.440 Aaron O'Toole
00:31:43.380 and Candace has spoken about this
00:31:44.880 Candace Malcolm
00:31:45.580 has taken this
00:31:47.160 it's the economy stupid
00:31:48.920 approach
00:31:49.460 to governing
00:31:50.300 I think that's an old
00:31:51.080 James Carville line
00:31:52.100 of saying that
00:31:52.860 we've got to focus
00:31:53.640 on the economy
00:31:54.320 the name of the platform
00:31:55.960 is Secure the Future
00:31:57.220 and while they are talking
00:31:58.740 about pandemic preparedness
00:32:00.540 and foreign policy
00:32:02.040 and all of these other things
00:32:03.100 it's vastly
00:32:04.140 if you go through it
00:32:05.380 it's almost entirely
00:32:07.040 about the economy
00:32:08.320 and even things
00:32:10.040 in other areas
00:32:11.140 tend to have
00:32:12.240 a very economic tie-in
00:32:13.840 like for example
00:32:14.620 the O'Toole carbon tax
00:32:16.540 which I don't want
00:32:17.120 to get into now
00:32:17.700 but we went into it
00:32:18.960 in depth
00:32:19.340 in a previous show
00:32:20.520 when it was announced
00:32:21.220 a few months back
00:32:22.280 so I want to turn
00:32:23.900 though to
00:32:24.520 one of the other events
00:32:25.540 that I was covering
00:32:26.140 this week
00:32:26.580 before I do
00:32:27.640 before I do though
00:32:28.600 you may have seen this
00:32:30.300 Andrew Coyne
00:32:31.200 didn't like that
00:32:32.140 I asked the first question
00:32:33.480 at Aaron O'Toole's
00:32:35.320 first press conference
00:32:36.380 and a couple of the other
00:32:37.820 mean girls
00:32:38.500 of the parliamentary
00:32:39.080 press gallery
00:32:39.880 weren't fans either
00:32:40.880 but I will say
00:32:42.200 there's no conspiracy
00:32:43.520 to it
00:32:44.100 you just happen to be
00:32:45.380 the first in line
00:32:46.320 and you get the first question
00:32:47.740 and when there are
00:32:48.900 so few people in media
00:32:50.120 now covering things
00:32:51.500 on the ground
00:32:52.100 it's very easy
00:32:53.320 in a room of like
00:32:54.060 eight people
00:32:54.560 to be the first one
00:32:55.320 in line
00:32:55.680 I didn't even need
00:32:56.220 to like body check
00:32:57.000 anyone out of the way
00:32:57.780 I just kind of showed up
00:32:59.140 and was there
00:32:59.620 and I will continue
00:33:00.620 to be there
00:33:01.100 so Andrew Coyne
00:33:01.940 if you want to be
00:33:02.560 the one that asked
00:33:03.400 the first question
00:33:04.000 next time
00:33:04.460 maybe you should
00:33:05.380 come there
00:33:06.100 and ask it yourself
00:33:07.320 now
00:33:08.240 Maxime Bernier
00:33:09.800 I get a lot of people
00:33:10.740 saying
00:33:11.120 why are you not
00:33:11.800 covering Bernier
00:33:12.500 why are you not
00:33:13.200 covering Derek Sloan
00:33:14.200 why are you not
00:33:15.060 covering Maverick
00:33:15.840 the answer to two
00:33:16.820 of those three
00:33:17.360 is I am
00:33:18.140 I'm not covering
00:33:19.020 Derek Sloan's party
00:33:19.900 because so far
00:33:20.720 Derek Sloan's party
00:33:21.780 ceases to exist
00:33:22.920 but I am covering
00:33:24.360 Bernier
00:33:24.860 I am covering Maverick
00:33:25.980 and I covered
00:33:26.940 Maxime Bernier's
00:33:27.920 kickoff event
00:33:28.740 in which he
00:33:29.780 gave what I think
00:33:31.040 is probably
00:33:31.500 the most transparently
00:33:32.780 honest assessment
00:33:34.620 of why the PPC exists
00:33:36.740 and what it is
00:33:37.660 that the PPC
00:33:38.300 is trying to do
00:33:39.680 to capture support
00:33:40.780 in Canada
00:33:41.840 so
00:33:42.900 why should Canadians
00:33:44.740 consider voting
00:33:45.960 for the People's Party
00:33:47.420 of Canada
00:33:47.940 it's simple
00:33:50.020 all
00:33:51.480 the
00:33:52.300 order
00:33:53.300 options
00:33:54.360 suck
00:33:55.200 it's time
00:33:56.560 to choose
00:33:57.320 something
00:33:57.900 different
00:33:58.520 the People's Party
00:34:00.660 has opposed
00:34:01.860 authoritarian lockdown
00:34:03.280 measures
00:34:03.900 from the very
00:34:05.280 beginning
00:34:05.740 of the pandemic
00:34:06.860 we are the only
00:34:09.020 party
00:34:09.420 with a realistic
00:34:10.800 approach
00:34:11.560 and recognize
00:34:12.540 that we must
00:34:13.560 leave
00:34:14.360 learn to
00:34:15.580 leave
00:34:16.060 with this
00:34:16.940 virus
00:34:17.540 not destroy
00:34:18.780 our society
00:34:19.840 and economy
00:34:20.920 in a vain
00:34:21.840 attempt
00:34:22.560 to eliminate
00:34:23.620 it
00:34:24.040 but the message
00:34:26.700 is vote for us
00:34:27.400 the other parties
00:34:28.080 all suck
00:34:28.620 and I'm laughing
00:34:29.220 but that's actually
00:34:30.200 a pretty good line
00:34:31.280 and that's one
00:34:32.080 that I think
00:34:32.440 will capture
00:34:32.980 a lot of attention
00:34:34.000 the PPC effect
00:34:35.580 is a very interesting
00:34:36.720 one here
00:34:37.140 because Maxime Bernier
00:34:38.200 is not under
00:34:39.620 any delusion
00:34:40.360 that the PPC
00:34:41.140 is going to be
00:34:42.180 in a majority
00:34:43.000 government
00:34:43.420 or even government
00:34:44.200 his whole thing
00:34:45.020 is he wants
00:34:46.000 to get elected
00:34:46.620 in both
00:34:47.020 he wants to elect
00:34:47.900 a couple of
00:34:48.420 PPC MPs
00:34:49.400 and he wants
00:34:50.340 to start shifting
00:34:51.140 the debate
00:34:51.620 he thinks
00:34:52.040 the Conservatives
00:34:52.820 are as he often says
00:34:54.320 morally and intellectually
00:34:55.280 corrupt
00:34:55.740 he thinks
00:34:56.060 the other parties
00:34:56.760 are radical
00:34:57.900 and dangerous
00:34:58.520 and the PPC
00:34:59.360 are the ones
00:35:00.460 that speak
00:35:00.940 for Canadians
00:35:01.840 more directly
00:35:02.820 now the interesting
00:35:04.500 thing is
00:35:05.000 we know in 2019
00:35:06.360 which was going
00:35:07.200 to be
00:35:07.620 the greatest
00:35:08.740 chance of PPC
00:35:10.160 success
00:35:10.640 because they were
00:35:11.280 new and no one
00:35:12.260 sort of knew
00:35:12.820 where they would
00:35:13.960 fit into things
00:35:14.740 that it's going
00:35:16.220 to be a lot harder
00:35:16.960 this time around
00:35:17.720 they've lost
00:35:18.760 a lot of the momentum
00:35:19.560 they've lost
00:35:20.220 a lot of the curiosity
00:35:20.980 and they've lost
00:35:22.520 a lot of the interest
00:35:23.820 I mean I was at
00:35:24.740 that press conference
00:35:25.460 and there were just
00:35:25.980 a small number
00:35:27.260 of people there
00:35:27.940 covering it
00:35:28.720 and one of the reasons
00:35:30.240 that I was there
00:35:31.360 is because I think
00:35:32.120 the PPC is a part
00:35:33.400 of the Conservative
00:35:34.200 movement in Canada
00:35:35.280 it's a part of
00:35:36.400 politics in Canada
00:35:37.420 and one thing
00:35:38.760 that I will say
00:35:39.340 is that the media
00:35:39.960 has kept the Green
00:35:40.980 Party alive
00:35:41.780 whereas they ignore
00:35:44.020 other similar movements
00:35:46.100 on the right
00:35:46.760 that have about
00:35:47.680 the same electoral shot
00:35:49.040 but don't get
00:35:50.060 nearly the attention
00:35:50.960 one of the key
00:35:52.020 questions is going
00:35:52.960 to be whether
00:35:53.900 Bernier and the PPC
00:35:55.080 can get into the debate
00:35:56.220 so the debate
00:35:57.320 criteria have come out
00:35:59.000 and in them
00:36:00.560 a party must have
00:36:01.700 either elected
00:36:02.460 someone under
00:36:03.200 that party's banner
00:36:04.040 in the last election
00:36:04.980 they must have
00:36:05.940 gotten 4% of the vote
00:36:07.120 nationally in the
00:36:07.880 last election
00:36:08.540 or they must be
00:36:09.940 polling at 4%
00:36:11.420 in this election
00:36:12.900 on average
00:36:13.660 you have to meet
00:36:15.200 one of those criteria
00:36:16.420 Maxime Bernier's
00:36:18.320 only hope of being
00:36:19.320 in the debate
00:36:19.760 is to poll
00:36:20.640 at 4%
00:36:21.800 on average
00:36:22.900 if you look
00:36:23.340 at a collection
00:36:23.860 of polls
00:36:24.340 from reputable
00:36:24.960 polling agencies
00:36:25.840 as determined
00:36:26.840 by the Leaders
00:36:27.460 Debates Commission
00:36:28.260 yada yada yada
00:36:29.220 and why this is
00:36:30.780 interesting
00:36:31.320 is because
00:36:31.980 the PPC
00:36:32.440 actually came out
00:36:33.540 in a poll
00:36:34.440 done by Main Street
00:36:35.500 this week
00:36:36.040 with 6% support
00:36:38.000 6% support
00:36:39.620 now individual polls
00:36:40.700 can be outliers
00:36:41.620 but in this one
00:36:42.720 they were polling
00:36:43.340 at 6%
00:36:43.780 the Greens
00:36:44.200 were polling at 4%
00:36:45.160 if they can do that
00:36:46.360 in a couple of other polls
00:36:47.540 the PPC
00:36:48.160 is going to be
00:36:48.700 in the debate
00:36:49.280 and they were
00:36:50.460 in the debate
00:36:50.900 last time
00:36:51.500 and as we saw
00:36:52.340 it still got them
00:36:53.220 1.6% of the vote
00:36:54.620 but it means
00:36:56.020 that they're going
00:36:56.560 to be a lot more
00:36:57.220 influential
00:36:57.700 because Canadians
00:36:58.500 are going to be
00:36:59.180 seeing them
00:36:59.900 and while
00:37:01.200 the Green Party
00:37:02.300 is still in a free fall
00:37:03.800 and this implosion
00:37:05.540 parties that are not
00:37:07.600 part of those
00:37:08.240 main three
00:37:09.080 I think are going
00:37:10.620 to be a lot more
00:37:11.620 significant
00:37:12.160 this time around
00:37:13.060 Maverick out West
00:37:14.460 again not a large party
00:37:15.860 they're only running
00:37:16.520 candidates in 20
00:37:17.620 some odd ridings
00:37:18.460 but nevertheless
00:37:19.440 they're tapping
00:37:20.160 into a sentiment
00:37:21.000 that is very real
00:37:22.120 a sentiment
00:37:23.200 that is very strong
00:37:24.340 which is Western
00:37:25.460 frustration
00:37:26.120 with the rest
00:37:26.840 of Canada
00:37:27.360 and if Aaron O'Toole
00:37:29.420 does have this
00:37:30.140 base problem
00:37:30.960 as it certainly
00:37:32.060 has looked in many
00:37:33.020 respects like he has
00:37:34.320 he could find
00:37:35.700 that seats in the West
00:37:37.000 that the Conservatives
00:37:37.840 have historically
00:37:38.540 taken for granted
00:37:39.520 are not necessarily safe
00:37:41.640 and vote split
00:37:42.620 that's the whole point
00:37:43.320 of vote splitting
00:37:43.940 and people can debate
00:37:45.380 whether vote splitting
00:37:46.100 is a completely
00:37:47.400 legitimate tactic
00:37:48.340 or not
00:37:48.760 but if the Mavericks
00:37:50.200 do well
00:37:50.740 and pull off
00:37:51.320 10, 15, 20%
00:37:52.760 in a couple of
00:37:53.800 safe conservative
00:37:54.500 ridings
00:37:54.980 that could actually
00:37:56.000 threaten
00:37:56.860 those conservative
00:37:58.100 seats
00:37:58.620 and I don't know
00:38:00.160 if you saw
00:38:00.540 but Hamish Marshall
00:38:01.360 who is our
00:38:02.580 in-house pollster
00:38:03.460 at True North
00:38:04.060 for the election
00:38:04.620 did an interview
00:38:05.280 on our election night
00:38:06.680 kickoff show
00:38:07.340 with Candace Malcolm
00:38:08.180 and he talked about
00:38:08.920 this that you know
00:38:09.720 to win you
00:38:10.220 you have to look
00:38:10.880 in little
00:38:11.160 where you can pick
00:38:11.920 up two or three seats
00:38:12.920 you know if you can pick up
00:38:13.880 two or three in Alberta
00:38:15.140 two or three in BC
00:38:16.400 two or three in Manitoba
00:38:17.800 it's these little successes
00:38:20.100 that tend to be parlayed
00:38:22.560 into bigger successes
00:38:23.920 and that's I think
00:38:25.100 a very key takeaway
00:38:25.920 in politics
00:38:26.520 when you're looking
00:38:27.080 at the map
00:38:27.600 you don't need
00:38:28.080 someone that's going
00:38:29.000 to just completely
00:38:29.660 invert an entire province
00:38:31.180 you need someone
00:38:32.080 that can make little gains
00:38:33.180 here and there
00:38:33.800 and just look at Yukon
00:38:35.660 as one example
00:38:36.360 this is a seat
00:38:37.620 that was lost
00:38:38.580 by less than 200 votes
00:38:40.500 last time around
00:38:41.260 Jonas Smith
00:38:41.880 ran as a conservative
00:38:43.560 in 2019
00:38:44.540 he came very close
00:38:46.400 to beating liberal
00:38:47.280 Larry Bagnell
00:38:48.160 and he was trying
00:38:49.940 to run again
00:38:50.500 and then the conservatives
00:38:51.440 last week disqualified him
00:38:53.260 well just this week
00:38:54.560 Jonas Smith decided
00:38:55.580 he was going to run
00:38:56.600 as an independent
00:38:57.320 and he thinks
00:38:58.400 he has enough support
00:38:59.220 to do it
00:38:59.800 the population
00:39:00.980 in Yukon
00:39:01.780 is small enough
00:39:02.840 that if you know
00:39:03.900 what you're doing
00:39:04.560 you could mount
00:39:05.900 an independent campaign
00:39:07.440 I think
00:39:07.780 more easily
00:39:08.820 than you could
00:39:09.420 in a big city
00:39:10.200 but the challenge
00:39:11.900 is going to be
00:39:12.660 does he just
00:39:13.900 split enough votes
00:39:14.760 from the conservatives
00:39:15.460 that the liberals win
00:39:16.660 and making the conservatives
00:39:18.920 look and say
00:39:19.640 well maybe we shouldn't
00:39:21.020 have disqualified
00:39:21.700 this guy
00:39:22.300 because if we hadn't
00:39:24.020 he would have been
00:39:25.220 the conservative MP
00:39:26.300 for Yukon right now
00:39:27.260 so these are the sorts
00:39:28.460 of questions
00:39:28.960 and I don't want to start
00:39:29.980 Monday morning quarterbacking
00:39:31.860 when we're still on
00:39:32.580 like Tuesday of the week
00:39:33.860 prior here
00:39:34.540 but I'm just trying
00:39:35.540 to establish
00:39:36.080 some of the themes
00:39:37.200 that are going to
00:39:38.340 I think
00:39:38.700 have a very significant
00:39:39.700 role in looking
00:39:40.640 at what happens
00:39:41.360 so we'll have
00:39:42.120 lots more coverage
00:39:42.860 but I want to thank you
00:39:43.760 so much for tuning in
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00:39:46.660 as I said
00:39:47.280 in the coming days
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00:39:49.420 of in-studio
00:39:50.440 and on-the-road coverage
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