Juno News - November 04, 2020


Should Canadians be skeptical of the polls?


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The old adage polls are for dogs really is accurate? Well, if we've learned anything from last night's election, it's that the old pollsters got it completely wrong, just like they did in 2016.

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00:00:00.000 well if we've learned anything from last night's american election it is possibly that the old
00:00:11.220 adage polls are for dogs really is accurate especially in the united states now many of
00:00:16.340 the pollsters were predicting a biden cakewalk that biden was going to take this he was going
00:00:20.740 to pass probably 300 electoral college votes that the democrats were going to make gains in the house
00:00:25.180 and the senate and it was just going to be a blue wave so to speak or at the very very least a
00:00:29.980 strong strong biden victory they got it completely wrong just like they did in 2016 now there's a
00:00:35.440 number of reasons for this number one is probably that many conservatives feel it's not okay to share
00:00:40.420 your political beliefs with uh you know with people in real life or at work because that can lead to
00:00:45.520 actual real life consequences there have been a number of stories of people getting fired people
00:00:50.020 having uh you know problems with their families or just having other real life issues because they've
00:00:54.320 outed themselves as a conservative or a trump supporter or they've just been very very active
00:00:58.420 on you know second amendment or some other traditionally conservative issue or republican
00:01:02.300 issue and that has caused them actual real life problems second is that when people were called
00:01:07.980 or phoned for a poll and asked who they would like to vote for there was this sort of idea that many
00:01:11.940 people were playing uh the world's greatest dad joke and saying that they would actually vote for
00:01:15.500 biden but they really intended to vote for donald trump and so people intentionally lying to pollsters
00:01:19.880 was sort of funny for many people because of the uh the shock i think that happened in 2016
00:01:24.420 where the chances of hillary winning were like 90 something crazy percent 90 something percent 1.00
00:01:28.740 and uh i think everyone was in shock i think many trump supporters were even in a big shock
00:01:32.600 that he won that election and so there's that idea and there's many other reasons why you know
00:01:37.680 there's there's the fact that people don't have the same landline you can't grab them during dinner
00:01:41.060 you gotta maybe contact them online there's many many factors as to why polling might be wrong but
00:01:46.580 what about canada do we tend to see the same same kind of results in canada well a little bit
00:01:51.680 different we don't have the same american culture but the pollsters let's have a quick snapshot of
00:01:55.920 this the pollsters this is from a cbc poll tracker story and it shows their sort of average these are
00:02:01.800 the election results now this is by the popular vote so this is not the number of seats or you know
00:02:06.480 we don't have an electoral college but this is the the popular vote on the top the actual final results
00:02:11.560 and this is the polling that was predicted now you can see here that a lot of the um pretty much
00:02:18.460 every poll here has the liberals winning except for you know very very small handful but they all
00:02:23.100 have the liberals winning or very strong and even the ones that don't have the liberals up here you
00:02:28.560 know you can see here's this one from angus reid had the conservatives up that doesn't necessarily
00:02:32.820 mean that they would get the most seats because of the way that the seats are concentrated with the
00:02:37.500 seats are spread out and uh if you look at the the wikipedia page which has the nice results here
00:02:41.780 for the 2019 election um you can see the andrews here actually did get more popular vote although he
00:02:46.600 he did not obviously get the most amount of seats at 157 for the liberals to 121 at the time for the
00:02:52.160 conservatives so polling in canada tended to be a bit better but what should we do how should we think
00:02:58.600 about polling well number one anytime you read things from pollsters you want to be skeptical because
00:03:04.600 you don't necessarily know the methodology you don't necessarily know the sample size you don't
00:03:08.600 know maybe it was all weighted down in toronto maybe it was all weighted down out in the west maybe it
00:03:13.880 was all weighted down by certain demographic these are all things that could skew a poll
00:03:17.460 and give you an unfair or misrepresentation of what is actually going on and that is very important
00:03:22.960 because the media is going to pick up on that and they will talk about that that will start to form
00:03:28.100 part of the narrative so when you have for example poll after poll after poll talking about justin
00:03:32.320 strauss winning people just start believing that he's going to win that is one of the factors that
00:03:36.100 can actually make that happen by people's behavior either stopping conservatives from going to the polls
00:03:40.020 or you know making sure that liberals actually do get out and go to the polls so the ways in which we
00:03:45.500 talk about it can also skew the actual results and so polling in and of itself should always be taken
00:03:50.600 with a grain of salt it's it's good to maybe do them because you definitely want to know especially
00:03:55.240 if you are interested in running for office or you're you know you're actually running for office
00:03:59.680 you want to know sort of where the barometer is sitting on a number of issues and so that is
00:04:03.700 definitely a good thing to do but polls should always be taken with a grain of salt now 0.88
00:04:08.600 ultimately the only poll that really matters is the election day result that's really the only
00:04:14.200 thing people are coming they're voting you're getting one vote per person and again we're
00:04:18.680 excluding any shenanigans or funny business we're just talking about the system itself how it's
00:04:22.820 supposed to work getting one vote per person and so ultimately that's the only way that you're going
00:04:27.900 to know who wanted who to be the leader again you know you can have questions about the democratic
00:04:32.180 system that we're using or compare it to some other system first past the post or mixed member
00:04:37.060 proportionality or you know some direct voting by popular vote but again ultimately that is the
00:04:43.200 only poll that does matter because that is going to decide who gets to be elected and who is going
00:04:47.860 to be the leader of the country whether it's canada america or any other country that has a function
00:04:52.220 of democracy so a lot of stuff to think about really interesting i'm really curious to see what
00:04:56.960 polling for the next canadian election is going to be some of the provincial uh elections coming up
00:05:01.740 what are the polling what is the polling going to be like and uh you know what do you guys think do
00:05:05.720 you feel that uh you would give the same answers to a pollster right are there some issues that uh
00:05:10.700 might make you shy about you know saying that you are a strong conservative a strong liberal or a strong
00:05:14.720 any peer would there be some reason why you would not tell the truth you know what do you guys think
00:05:18.900 i'd be really curious to hear what you have to think in the comments so for true north i am sam
00:05:23.300 ashkenazi thank you so so much for watching this video uh still haven't found out who the president is but
00:05:27.880 possibly by the time you watch it we will already know who the next president of the united states
00:05:32.040 is so thank you so much and have yourselves a great