Juno News - Singh continues to prop up Trudeau

00:00:00.000 isaac is there still any point in um wearing the jersey if the chances are all but but gone

00:00:05.680 basically oh there's plenty of chances if uh it ain't over till the fat lady sings that's what 0.88

00:00:13.280 they say but yeah no i mean we could definitely win you never know who um like in the game

00:00:22.640 yesterday what would you say was it like skinner's fault was it like mcdavid's like what went wrong

00:00:26.880 uh the team is just so bad in the defensive zone with giveaways uh bouchard's the worst for it but

00:00:34.800 they had a he wasn't the only culprit but they did play good in the third i thought when they

00:00:40.480 i literally genuinely believed they were going to come back and uh obviously they got pretty close

00:00:45.040 because we were down for one and then to four three and we uh a couple clear penalties in the

00:00:52.080 last two minutes that weren't called so that might have helped but our power play hasn't been good so

00:00:57.120 rachel you sounded like the least convincing sports reporter ever there like you just googled

00:01:01.040 two names and asked a question that you think is what you ask a sports fan listen i knew two names

00:01:06.880 of people on the team like that's a pretty impressive improvement for me like two years ago yeah no it's

00:01:12.000 easy because the thing when you talk about sports fans is they all have strong opinions on things so

00:01:15.680 you just have to ask one generic question and they'll think that you know a lot more than you do

00:01:19.360 i was like wow so much it was such a good question oh yeah don't get me started on that

00:01:24.640 being a sports reporter would be the easiest thing ever like how do you feel about tonight's game

00:01:30.400 is there anyone in the crowd for you right now what do you guys have to do better next week like i

00:01:34.880 could do it i have never watched this full game of sports in my life but i could probably do it

00:01:38.720 yeah you could also do that covering the ndp leadership race in alberta uh all right let's

00:01:43.120 get this started guys

00:01:52.160 welcome to off the record on true north this is the more casual show of our lineup we kick back and

00:01:59.440 have a rotating roster of the cast of characters you know and love well certainly that you know from true

00:02:05.120 north we talk about the things from the week that have stuck with us the things that maybe we didn't

00:02:09.520 get a chance to talk about and uh today i am i'm andrew lawton by the way hi nice to see you uh today

00:02:15.120 i am joined by my colleague rachel emmanuel host of alberta roundup and also isaac lamaru who does

00:02:21.840 a daily brief from time to time and is also a uh key member of our alberta bureau situated in

00:02:27.280 the capital of alberta over in edmonton so uh welcome to you both it's good to have you isaac i

00:02:32.160 see you rocking the uh the oilers uh the oilers jersey today i i care in no way about this but

00:02:37.600 i respect that you care about it and are probably quite unhappy today so i'm glad that you are i

00:02:42.160 am glad that you licked your wounds enough to join us yeah well it's even like last night i was like

00:02:47.360 hey i'm just happy to be here stanley cup finals uh no one could have guessed that we we'd have made

00:02:52.400 it this far so if worse comes to worse at least we got into the finals now rachel is the token

00:02:58.560 calgarian like do people from calgary who generally hate the oilers want them to succeed because they're

00:03:04.400 an alberta team or does the hatred transcend even when they're in the finals my limited impression of

00:03:10.000 things as someone who is not largely a sports fan is that once the flames are out everyone kind of

00:03:15.280 gets on board and cheers for the canadian team because still you know still better to have a

00:03:19.680 canadian team win and an albertan team win no less than the florida panthers yeah and i see there's

00:03:25.280 there's the i can't remember if we talked about it last week there's this like outstanding bet

00:03:28.240 between danielle smith and uh ronda santus that's over uh i forget it's like there's a key lime pie

00:03:33.760 involved in it now it's i don't know these things are very i know they're fun and they're nice and

00:03:37.600 they're light-hearted they also come across as a bit hokey at times but uh i would never turn down

00:03:41.840 if ronda santus wanted to send me a key lime pie i would never turn it down so well i think we're

00:03:46.320 going to be sending him i believe it's alberta whiskey because if we lose if we somehow can turn this

00:03:50.720 around and win he's going to be sending sending up some florida rum and he said he was throwing

00:03:54.000 okay that that was it all right so sending sending down some alberta whiskey some frozen steaks who

00:03:59.440 knows what else is going to go there um all right believe it or not i did not choose sports as a lead

00:04:05.280 story that was just the chit chat phase of the program here although we do have a political sports

00:04:10.880 crossover story we'll get to in just a couple of moments but i i want to start things off by talking

00:04:15.680 about the ndp which has been as we know propping up the liberal government for basically the last five

00:04:21.200 years but in particular since the 2021 election with this so-called supply and confidence agreement

00:04:26.880 the ndp is finally starting to get some pressure from journalists on why they do this it's become a

00:04:33.520 if you watch my show you'll hear this it's my favorite pastime now find an example of jagmeet

00:04:38.080 saying saying that you know the liberals are failing canada and they're doing this wrong and this wrong

00:04:42.480 and then just pointing out that uh well you know he could pull his support from the liberals literally

00:04:47.520 at any moment and chooses not to as we saw though members of the uh house of commons press gallery

00:04:54.720 were not wanting to let him slide take a look so why are you continuing to prop up the government

00:05:01.360 who you say isn't taking democracy seriously why do you continue to prop them up so the question is what

00:05:07.840 are we going to do about it the question to me continue to prop up the government when you say

00:05:12.960 our democracy is at stake and this government is not taking our democracy seriously why continue to

00:05:18.880 back them up we're not at all doing that what we're saying is we're going to demand answers we're

00:05:23.280 going to continue to push for solutions because we're in parliament right now i was able to read

00:05:27.120 these documents because we're in parliament now we've been able to push for a letter to have the public

00:05:31.120 inquiry also include the conservative leadership race in a part of the public inquiry's work we want to

00:05:37.440 use the tools as parliamentarians as as a parliamentarian myself to use the tools that we

00:05:42.880 have that i have to advance democracy i want to use the tools that i have to get to the bottom of this

00:05:48.640 uh the the suggestion that an election is a solution to election interference is i think a fallacy what

00:05:53.840 we need to do is use the tools we have to get to the bottom of this i want to continue to push for

00:05:58.960 more solutions i want to push for more transparency i want to push to learn more so we can have better solutions

00:06:04.240 oh okay so now the argument is well we can't have an election because that's not the answer to

00:06:13.040 election interference so i i love it he's saying that he's not propping up the liberal governments

00:06:17.680 where are all these like political reporter fact checkers that like to fact check the simplest things

00:06:22.560 that conservative politicians say uh rachel what's your take on this you know i'm so tired of talking

00:06:29.360 about jagmeet singh because he's such an unimpressive politician but we have to because he's pretty much

00:06:36.240 responsible for propping up the liberal government at this point and continuing well he's not pretty

00:06:39.760 much he is responsible yeah he is i was gonna say you were couching in there yeah for you know for the

00:06:44.400 sort of the situation that we're in in canada where you know liberals are taking the polls but we

00:06:48.320 aren't having an election we can all thank him for that you know it's just he but he kind of

00:06:53.120 cracks me up like you can see why he has this likeability factor especially for his base of

00:06:56.560 people he's so utterly unfazed this reporter's yelling at him and he's just kind of like

00:07:01.920 yeah you know he's blinking along he's like yeah you know um we need to ask questions his answer is

00:07:06.960 pretty much the same he gives the same platitudes no matter what the topic is he doesn't actually seem

00:07:12.320 that interested or that engaged in the job he doesn't seem to get riled up about any issues he just

00:07:16.880 has these same sort of talking points that he defers back to time and time again so you know

00:07:22.160 i think maybe the fact that we're seeing some pressure from the media up in ottawa could be a

00:07:28.800 really good thing maybe that could be the thing that finally gets the ndp you know thinking as to

00:07:33.440 whether or not they want to continue propping up the liberal government at the end of the day money

00:07:36.880 talks and if they're not financially ready to be in a position to go to the election that's going to

00:07:41.680 continue that's going to have them continue keeping the position that they're keeping now which is

00:07:46.000 say one thing to the media have a lot of talk about demanding answers but behind closed doors

00:07:51.920 it's a totally different story your word isaac yeah uh so i watched the whole conference of singh

00:08:00.000 which is about 22 minutes or so and despite reporters consistently asking him about things that

00:08:06.480 were in the unredacted version of the report it was very clear the rules i suppose that were around

00:08:12.320 that because any question that they asked he would just say oh the public report said x y or z so

00:08:18.240 that's basically what he can say so he didn't really say anything new regarding the unredacted

00:08:23.920 version of the report although what i did find very interesting was that it was clear he disagreed with

00:08:30.080 elizabeth may because he said quote he was more alarmed than yesterday after reading the report uh

00:08:35.840 compared to prior to reading it whereas she was saying oh there's nothing to be worried about

00:08:39.920 there there's no one uh there's no list of mps whereas singh said there is clearly a list of

00:08:45.280 traders within uh canadian parliament so i i was very confused about that and even the reporters

00:08:52.240 are saying did you guys read two different versions of the report like how is this possible

00:08:57.440 yeah by the way isaac when you lean forward your left eye is getting like caught off by the frame you've

00:09:02.960 got to got to remain centered both ideologically and well maybe not ideologically but uh remain

00:09:07.760 remain grounded ideologically and centered uh in terms of the framing but uh the the joys of doing

00:09:13.840 live to tape is that uh we don't just edit it out after it's like isaac your eye disappeared anyway

00:09:18.560 um yeah no you're right and the whole thing was elizabeth bay comes out and basically says oh yeah i've 0.63

00:09:22.880 got no worries with every anyone everything's fine it's great then he comes out it's like oh yeah

00:09:26.640 definitely there was something that happened here and you know is this you know two people reading the

00:09:30.800 same report is it two people just skimming it and or is it two people that had their own

00:09:34.640 conclusions i mean elizabeth may basically running cover for the liberals in her answer jagmeet singh 0.51

00:09:39.760 trying to do this weird sort of crossover of well i'm being tough i'm being the tough guy i'm being

00:09:45.040 the strong man but also uh absolutely i'm not uh you know just shilling for the liberal like it's

00:09:50.400 it was this weird weird line that he was trying to straddle and i don't think he does it all that well

00:09:55.440 but it's what he tries to do every day where on one hand he's pretending to be this watchdog on the

00:09:59.920 government and on the other hand he's the government laptop yeah and i think with these

00:10:05.440 leaders now having come out and spoken to the reports we have more questions and answers

00:10:09.760 very baffling that we're hearing such different things about what's actually contained in this

00:10:13.440 report of course you know conservative leader peer poly have has so far declined to receive this

00:10:18.480 briefing andrew do you think that's the right move for him at this point especially now we have

00:10:23.840 may we have saying giving totally different interpretations of it it's caused more confusion than

00:10:28.320 anything um this way you know poly have he's kind of able to stay above the fray and demand answers

00:10:33.280 publicly or do you think you know there's been a lot of pressure from him i've been watching ctv global

00:10:38.240 news there's been a lot of criticism on poly have for not having received this briefing and everyone

00:10:43.360 saying well the other leaders are doing and he's going to be forced to do it or do you think that it's

00:10:46.800 actually the right move from him at this point to just say i don't want to see something that i won't

00:10:51.280 be able to talk about publicly yeah i i get why he's i get why he's made the decision and

00:10:56.160 interestingly thomas mulcare who's the former ndp leader he did an interview on ctv i think it was

00:11:01.200 yesterday or two days ago and in that interview he was talking about how he wouldn't do it if he

00:11:06.320 were the leader because he really takes the poly have position on this that he doesn't want to be

00:11:11.040 bound and gagged so that he's reading about stuff that he then can't talk about which means he can't

00:11:15.760 fulfill his role as the opposition leader now i think so that i understand the point i also don't

00:11:23.040 know if the messaging is working for poly have right now because he is getting criticized about

00:11:27.280 this every day there is this conspiracy theory on twitter that oh the reason he's not reading

00:11:32.480 the report is because he can't get security clearance he's you know there's some weird

00:11:37.440 so that it's but it's allowed that to happen by not just reading it so i think ultimately the

00:11:42.080 calculation is what's a greater political cost not being able to hold the government to account on

00:11:47.280 this not being able to talk about this report or the flip side of that which is people wondering

00:11:53.280 why you're not and people criticizing you for not so i think that's really what it comes down to isaac

00:11:59.600 yeah i pretty much agree agree with you andrew that it's a double-edged sword for poly have obviously

00:12:06.000 and i should say that his strategy in my opinion to date has really been to

00:12:11.680 um just kind of stay grounded uh especially like take immigration for an example you know he doesn't

00:12:21.440 really want to speak about it because i guess he thinks that the liberal party will probably just

00:12:26.240 dig their own grave uh for lack of a better figure of speech uh right so i don't know yeah

00:12:34.080 that's the thing there's there's pros and cons to to reading or not reading the report uh and it's hard to

00:12:39.520 say without him having done it which is the better option in in my opinion so i said earlier there was

00:12:46.400 going to be a sports tie-in in the sense that it ties into the oilers game last night but not really

00:12:51.600 the game itself but isaac take it away yeah so polyef uh aired uh really really frenching up the

00:13:00.240 pronunciation today we're used to the anglo uh just polyev you're doing it i know i i know i always just

00:13:06.000 pronounce it in the french way and i i've kind of been doing that for a while so i usually just

00:13:10.720 stick with that anyways he aired an ad uh essentially showing what trudeau has done to the country over the

00:13:17.840 last nine years uh which was a 30 second ad and it allegedly aired on sportsnet and cbc which i thought

00:13:25.040 was going to be the debut by the way but polyef actually released the ad on x and other social

00:13:30.000 platforms a few hours before the game so it wasn't technically a debut per se anyways yeah so the ad

00:13:37.040 is it was about 30 seconds long and every five well sorry the ad starts why don't we just take a look

00:13:41.600 a look at it first yeah sure it's time for a change in this country my friends a real change

00:13:56.640 yeah that was better i was just gonna sit there explaining the ad but it's like i guess we could

00:14:18.800 just show it a video's worth a thousand pictures a picture's worth a thousand words i will say though

00:14:24.960 i was watching the game on uh the sportsnet app so not the televised version exactly uh so it was

00:14:31.520 the app on the tv like sportsnet now uh and i didn't see the ad play at all although i was away

00:14:38.800 from the tv during the first intermission so if it played at some point when i was away from the tv

00:14:42.800 during the first intermission i didn't catch it but i did see that it was supposed to play on sportsnet

00:14:47.520 and surprisingly cbc as well so yeah how much of a surprise is that to you andrew that an ad like

00:14:53.360 this would play on cbc i i don't think it's a surprise i mean yes cbc is cbc but when they're

00:15:00.880 airing a hockey game it's a bit of a different audience than the audience of you know power and

00:15:05.040 politics or a little mosque on the prairie or heartland or something like that so i i don't

00:15:09.360 think it's cbc i mean yes it's it's a bit ironic that the conservatives who say they are going to

00:15:13.680 defund cbc are now funding cbc with ad dollars and i i don't actually know how much the the ad costs but

00:15:19.440 it's part of a campaign that's going to air in you know different markets it's probably going to

00:15:22.720 air on digital i i i'm kind of curious about the ad itself because i actually thought just from a

00:15:27.360 production perspective it was a brilliant concept just taking the before and after photos of the

00:15:32.160 identical places and these scenes and showing just the devolution of canadian cities into 10 cities and

00:15:38.880 i know uh it's you know different provinces it's not just bc like we always used to think of here it

00:15:43.600 it was it was edmonton on you know alberta ontario british columbia everywhere and you leave halifax

00:15:49.680 this beautiful idyllic oceanside town is uh also similarly seeing this uh what did you think on

00:15:55.120 that rachel the ad was exceptionally well done and it was very powerful and i think it speaks to

00:16:02.480 something that all of us who have been living in canada and who have observed what's going on in

00:16:08.400 our country over the last decade have felt very you know very closely and near and dear to our hearts

00:16:14.000 the crisis the cost of living crisis is impacting all of canadians and you know i think one of the

00:16:20.560 effects of that that we're seeing is this homelessness crisis which is of course also tied to things like

00:16:24.800 addiction and you know that goes back to the cova 19 pandemic people not being able to see each other

00:16:29.840 that's when we saw the addiction crisis really go through the roof i've been visiting family in ontario

00:16:34.640 and i think when it comes to seeing homelessness and when you see those people you know at the

00:16:39.280 streetlights asking for money we're really quick to sort of tune it out maybe you're one of the

00:16:42.560 people who rolls down your window and passes them you know a bit of money but i think by and large

00:16:47.040 people roll up their window they lock their car doors and they kind of just ignore it and being home

00:16:53.040 and being in saint catherine's and seeing the places where i spent so much time growing up you know

00:16:58.000 there was always those problematic pockets of the city those aren't really a thing anymore the

00:17:03.200 problem parts of the city have really spread to every intersection there's pretty much someone

00:17:07.200 standing at every street corner along the highways along medians asking for money and it just i think

00:17:13.520 now that i've been home and i've seen it and where i grew up it's really just stunned me what the effect

00:17:18.560 of this crisis has been and how many people are suffering and when you stop to look at these people

00:17:23.440 it's such an obvious display of human suffering and i think it's a shame on us as a nation that it's gotten

00:17:29.040 as bad as it has and that we haven't been doing a better job of reaching these people and helping

00:17:33.600 and pulling them out of their addictions sometimes when i talk about addiction to homelessness on my

00:17:37.600 show the occasional eels are all that's really cruel that you you know you don't want home

00:17:41.440 homelessness no it's not cruel i actually think these people can have a better life and that we can

00:17:46.240 put an arm down for them and pull them out of this and offer them a better life than you know a cold

00:17:50.560 spot on the ground i don't think that's cruel at all to say that that should not be controversial

00:17:54.880 whatsoever and so i think this ad just depicts the fact that under justin trudeau the suffering

00:18:01.200 in our nation is so strong it's worse than ever yeah and i mean i always take the view on this you

00:18:07.600 can't put the blame 100 on on one person but especially with drug issues and homelessness issues

00:18:14.000 these are all very interconnected you have provincial policy municipal policy federal policy you have all

00:18:19.120 of this and you know at a certain point though you have to look at the federal government's role in

00:18:23.760 it and you know the federal government which was permitting these drug legalization pilot projects

00:18:29.200 that have proven to be an abysmal failure and the federal government which anytime someone talks

00:18:34.080 about finding a different way like danielle smith or uh some conservative politicians they all talk

00:18:38.960 about it as being this lack of compassion when in reality i kind of take your view which is that

00:18:44.160 certainly there's nothing compassionate about that there's nothing compassionate about these

00:18:47.840 tent cities where people are you know dealing with addiction generally and having it go untreated

00:18:55.680 and the silence suggests everyone agrees with me uh isaac go ahead

00:19:01.280 yeah i i taking it back to the production value of the ad uh in my opinion probably not only in this ad but

00:19:09.200 in his previous uh videos that he's released like detonation comes to mind and then the one before that

00:19:15.040 you know they're they're so there's such high quality production that i really think that that

00:19:20.240 plays a big role for example uh something we didn't talk about that it happened in the ad was

00:19:25.280 the constant echoing of of the first clip they showed where we're yeah change real change and then with

00:19:30.400 the lightning and and the storm in the background you know i thought that was a nice touch to the ad uh

00:19:35.440 so yeah i i i gotta say whoever's producing um poly africa's content is is doing a fine job

00:19:43.600 well that kind of raises in my mind the question of i wonder how much of a hand if any

00:19:47.600 holly i've had in this to go back to andrew lawton's book he you know a political pair

00:19:52.240 probably have a political life you explained how much work um polyev has done in really honing his

00:19:58.320 communication skills over the years that he's been first starting out as you know a young staffer and

00:20:03.440 then eventually becoming an np and of course now leader of the opposition and just how he really

00:20:07.920 honed those skills on youtube and on twitter so i'm just curious i don't know if you have any thoughts

00:20:11.280 andrew on whether you think he had a hand in this video and the production of it i so i the the sense

00:20:18.240 that i got now this was during the leadership race and people told me with you know fairly good

00:20:22.800 authority that nothing went out that he didn't approve now i don't know if that's the same now you

00:20:28.880 know as far as individual tweets and stuff i i would be very surprised if he was looking at every

00:20:32.800 tweet and uh say actually for i don't think he is because there was one last week on on d-day he

00:20:38.160 posted a tweet and i harrison falter i'll call our colleague was like railing against him on this one

00:20:44.160 and he like had a picture of american soldiers on omaha beach not canadian soldiers on juno beach so

00:20:49.760 i don't think polyev's a history buff i don't think he would have let that one slide if he had seen it but

00:20:53.520 i think on big stuff like this and on core messaging stuff he would absolutely have a say in it now

00:20:59.600 i mean look for all i know and i have no idea whatsoever the idea of the before and after

00:21:04.000 might have been his i don't know but i i think certainly even though this ad wasn't a polyev ad

00:21:09.360 it was an anti-trudeau ad i think he is setting the tone and i think that he's trying to be very

00:21:14.240 clear to canadians like point to a part of canada that is better now than it was a decade ago and

00:21:19.680 that's actually a difficult question for people to answer in the affirmative

00:21:22.480 i can't think of anything i mean we're more aware of the problem now but that's always the cop out

00:21:30.800 when the only way you can find like a positive spin on something is to say well you know we're

00:21:34.720 more aware of how bad it is isaac you seem to be thinking have you what's better in your life well

00:21:39.440 not your life but better in the in the country than it was a decade ago i was thinking really hard

00:21:44.320 and i was like hey maybe the territories are somehow better but no i mean with the cost of

00:21:47.760 goods and how they've made any answers up in the yukon yeah i was like maybe they knew maybe

00:21:52.400 nunavut's gotten better no it hasn't yeah that's too funny yeah it's uh it's certainly an interesting

00:21:58.320 one um there was this uh just to go back to the jagmeet singh uh thing for a second the media is

00:22:04.640 getting a heck of a lot feistier with a lot of these people and i think this is a good segue into the

00:22:09.680 clip that you brought to us uh rachel yeah so this week vashi capello's grilled finance minister uh

00:22:16.480 christy or freeland on the capital gains tax the liberals have introduced we'll just play the

00:22:20.640 clip now because as andrew said a video there's a thousand pictures um just to give you a good

00:22:25.360 sense of how that played out from your perspective this is about sound economic policy or about

00:22:30.400 cornering the conservatives sound economic policy why because we believe in fairness for every

00:22:36.640 generation the things you're talking about though dental care canada child benefit daycare they

00:22:41.440 tally up to far more on an annual basis than this will bring in over five billion years why are you

00:22:46.800 presenting it as a panacea to all that i'm not presenting it as a panacea but i am presenting

00:22:52.240 it as a meaningful way to raise money to fund the things that canadians need i think you did present

00:23:00.000 it as a panacea i'm going to challenge the way that you're framing that based on your comments on

00:23:03.440 sunday i'll read them directly to you do you want to live in a country where those at the very top

00:23:07.280 live lives of luxury but must do so in gated communities behind ever higher fences using

00:23:11.920 private healthcare and airplanes because the public sphere is so degraded and the wrath of

00:23:16.000 the vast majority of their less privileged compatriots burns so hot this is going to fix all that and what

00:23:22.160 responsibility does your government bear for putting us in that position in the first place

00:23:27.280 this is really going to help canada because 20 billion dollars is a meaningful amount of money to

00:23:34.560 invest in the things canadians need standing for fairness is really important too fairness for

00:23:41.040 every generation it's the right thing for canada and canadians and it is working i have to leave

00:23:46.240 it on that note i'm being told in my ear your staff needs to get you out so thank you very much minister

00:23:49.760 i appreciate you making the time for the conversation station i have to say that might have been done

00:23:55.680 innocently like that might have been done just folksy or might have been just a bit a bit of sass a

00:24:00.320 bit of snark from vashie capellos either way i'm all here for it the uh i don't know i mean it was

00:24:04.880 a six minute interview so it's not like this was some interview that maybe it was supposed to be

00:24:08.640 five and getting it to six was a big thing but it's not like this was some interview that it

00:24:12.400 stretched on for an hour and then uh you know basically the staff are just like pulling christia

00:24:16.960 freeland off the uh the studio anyway i'm inclined to believe that it had a little bit of sass to it

00:24:21.520 because she's been doing this vashie's been doing this long enough to you know know what she's doing 0.90

00:24:26.160 um but you never know things slip out innocently let's start just at the beginning of that clip

00:24:30.400 though um wow just bizarre just a bizarre response from the finance minister there i'm

00:24:35.120 not surprised her staff wanted to get her out of that interview some of the language that was used

00:24:38.560 and then i was like all right carl marks like just take a chill pill that was when she's explaining

00:24:43.520 why they need to justify the capital gains tax she's saying the wrath of the vast majority burns 0.99

00:24:49.280 so hot it's just a bizarre way that we've you know the trudeau's always talking about the

00:24:54.720 conservatives and causing division which is really what they're doing here they're saying

00:24:58.240 look at how wealthy some people are look at what they have they're responsible for you not having

00:25:03.120 all those things they're responsible for you you know living a you don't having an honest high of an

00:25:09.040 income you know not having as quite a good or an easy quality of life and you know when when um

00:25:15.040 vachie vachie asked her question what responsibility does your government bear for that i mean the reality is

00:25:21.520 that people are struggling right now and that does lie at the feet of the liberals i mean we could

00:25:25.120 talk about this global inflation but you know the liberals have a lot of responsibility they've been

00:25:30.720 printing cash they've been spending like crazy and people are feeling the effects of it not even to

00:25:34.480 get me started on their carbon tax which we saw this week how much is it that it's taking from the

00:25:39.280 economy billions of dollars so i mean just a crazy clip um i think the i think the the finance minister

00:25:48.160 did not come out of that looking too hot what's your take andrew yeah i think that look it's a

00:25:55.520 government that is on its last legs and knows that and the message they've committed to for this budget

00:26:01.280 is generational fairness fairness fairness fairness this is what they say all the time i we were going

00:26:05.840 to do this at another point but i think it's it's there's a point in sharing this now this was

00:26:09.840 ahmed has sent's uh latest attempt at selling the fairness message a damn fine cup of coffee

00:26:28.560 so i don't claim to be an expert on deciphering what's in the minds of liberals which i mean

00:26:40.720 generally you should be able to figure it out because there's not much in there but

00:26:44.480 i i'm i don't even know what just happened there the the the bit i maybe this is some like viral

00:26:50.800 tiktok meme i'm not aware of but the bit was like we have black coffee and then we pour milk in it

00:26:57.760 and then the coffee gets beige and i don't know maybe i don't what is that beige i don't know

00:27:02.880 and then the coffee gets lighter and then you can see we've written on the cup you know fairness and

00:27:07.040 pierre sucks and but i like i don't even get that isaac you're younger than i am what's the bit even 0.70

00:27:13.040 uh i have to say andrew i don't really use tiktok but uh i i think i've seen that before where

00:27:18.320 yeah essentially the the lighter coffee just reveals uh the sharpie so that's the bit i think needed to be a

00:27:25.040 little more clever i think for it to like really be pulled off asking a lot of ahmed has said

00:27:31.440 i yeah i just don't get the but but anyway this is what they're left with

00:27:34.320 it's like christia freeland failed to sell canadians in the six and a half minute interview

00:27:39.040 uh so we send ahmed hassen to pour milk in his coffee because that that'll really like you would

00:27:44.160 when christia freeland can't sell the policy ahmed hassen pouring milk in his coffee that's going to do it 1.00

00:27:49.440 like this is a desperate desperate government right now well maybe which is a distraction i

00:27:54.960 mean obviously it was kind of successful we've moved talking about freelance botched interview

00:27:58.640 to talking about the coffee so they have found some success in it being a distraction if the

00:28:03.280 whole no new if the whole like all news is good news thing uh is is holding then yeah maybe it's

00:28:08.480 been great for the uh the government here although i'm not entirely convinced that is true with this

00:28:13.760 particular government uh and i think in general too we have to acknowledge the fact that there are

00:28:19.520 members of parliament who want trudeau gone like they know they're going to lose the election because

00:28:24.800 of him so uh you always have to look at who the potential successors are and how people are

00:28:29.280 positioning themselves and framing themselves the one name that comes up in every conversation about

00:28:34.880 this is that of my old davos chum mark carney i run into him on the streets of davos whenever

00:28:40.240 we're there reporting on the world economic forum because he's a frequent flyer there i ran into him

00:28:44.160 once in ottawa he was very friendly when i didn't have my cameraman there uh so i mean he's friendly

00:28:48.720 he's friendly all the time which is why you can tell he wants to run for something because why else would

00:28:52.560 he be nice to me but uh mark carney uh has been uh proving himself to be a very authentic genuine

00:28:58.880 sports fan that would be up there you know with his arm around our friend isaac uh this was mark carney's

00:29:03.920 tweet uh yesterday on the game day festival country de valdemont if you can't be in edmonton

00:29:10.560 the next best warm-up for a big night in the stanley cup finals hashtag let's go oilers and there

00:29:16.640 there's mark carney the former governor of the banks of canada and england the un climate representative

00:29:22.640 with his oilers jersey that looks like he just put it on like i bet there's a label still on that if you

00:29:30.080 look closely somewhere on the back side uh holding up a can of uh what is this uh budweiser

00:29:36.400 budweiser uh oh budweiser yeah his staff had to tell him but this is the first time mark carney

00:29:42.480 i think has ever worn a an oilers jersey he did actually play hockey in the 80s so i'll give him

00:29:47.120 that but so it's not the first time he wore a jersey i think it's the first time he's ever held

00:29:50.640 a beer in a can though i did are you are you convinced by this guys he is going for those alberta

00:29:57.040 votes i kind of respect it i mean he knows where they need to pick up seats he knows where the

00:30:00.560 liberals are unpopular you know he's he's starting early i do respect the hustle a little bit i'm not

00:30:05.360 convinced by it at all um but i i do respect it is budweiser even like the beer that wins you support

00:30:11.600 in canada i didn't think it was at least it wasn't a bud light well yeah that's true a lot worse

00:30:19.440 like if you saw him at the arena would you be like well that guy belongs here

00:30:22.880 yeah uh uh i i hate talking smack to anyone in an oilers jersey uh but i will say quickly budweiser

00:30:31.920 won't win you much sway in alberta so what's the beer i will say it's nice to see uh the potential

00:30:40.240 next leader of of the liberals uh being supportive in any way shape or form of alberta i i know steven

00:30:48.800 guibo would never be wearing an oilers jersey so yeah that's true that's true he knows where alberta

00:30:53.680 is i don't even think justin drive i actually haven't followed i don't even know if trudeau is

00:30:57.200 on the oilers train right now um so this reminded me i'm not even a 30 rock fan but i love steve

00:31:03.200 buscemi so you may have seen this meme but this is the clip from 30 rock that it comes from the clip

00:31:08.240 is like two seconds so i'm hoping we don't get a copyright strike on the episode but uh carney

00:31:12.800 cause playing as a sports fan reminded me of steve buscemi's character uh going undercover in a high

00:31:18.640 school how do you do fellow kids what that's basically it so mark carney how do you do fellow

00:31:28.320 sports fans like i said i was silent today you gotta jump in i need something to bounce off of i tried

00:31:36.000 jumping in twice in the last segment everyone just steamrolled me so you know i've been inclined to give

00:31:40.880 up we are making space for women's voices go ahead well thank you um i like i said you know i think

00:31:46.560 this could be a good thing for for us at albertans you know we have potential future liberal leader who

00:31:51.520 seems to care what albertans think that's radically a radical change in policy from what we're currently

00:31:57.200 saying like it can only get better for us it can only get better for us the fact that he's willing to

00:32:02.000 you know degrade himself to clearly revealing he knows nothing about sports he knows nothing about beer

00:32:08.320 just to try to win over some some points you know it could be an indicative sign of good things to come

00:32:14.400 i think i mean i didn't pull the tweet but there was one back in the leadership race for the ontario

00:32:19.760 pcs so this would have been like 2018. i recall caroline mulrooney who's like you know from a very

00:32:25.760 wealthy powerful family obviously had posted some video of her eating mcdonald's in the back of a car

00:32:30.960 and it was like and she had captioned it with like you know there was no room at the restaurant

00:32:34.880 it was something weird it was like this is the first time you've ever had this like normal human

00:32:38.720 experience in your life that was like the takeaway from it it was uh i think actually chris selley had

00:32:43.600 retweeted that and said you know how do you do fellow poors that was basically the uh uh the takeaway

00:32:48.480 from that yeah i'm so it's so funny one of the things that i found trump was so entertaining on is that

00:32:54.240 trump was the only american politician that never bothered pretending like because everyone you'll get

00:33:00.160 these multi-millionaires that pretend to be the every man they pretend to be middle class whereas

00:33:04.640 like trump like didn't care he's like oh yeah my model wife oh yeah my private jet oh yeah my live

00:33:10.080 like he just didn't care and he like he owned it and i'm like well you know at least there's an

00:33:13.760 authenticity to it it's like i i can't tell my one mark carney story because i'm waiting until he's

00:33:18.080 like the leader of the liberal party and that story will be more impactful but this is the guy that

00:33:22.560 like travels back and forth to davos he is not the budweiser drinking every man

00:33:26.560 i mean you know trump also loved mcdonald's and that he wasn't faking either he just had

00:33:31.680 a natural love for it so i think oh yeah yeah remember how much like everyone was so mad when

00:33:36.160 he like served fast food to the visiting athletes and just had that like fast food buffet at the

00:33:40.720 white he served it to everyone though like it was nothing personal to them didn't just recently when

00:33:44.320 he was in court you saw like his his uh private security showing up with like bags and bags of

00:33:48.960 mcdonald's for him like it's hilarious like the guy loves the stuff it's amazing that he's you know

00:33:53.280 still operating at the level that he is because he just drinks like pop and and mcdonald's like i

00:33:57.440 would i would have been in a coma a long time ago the guy yeah he's like pushing 80 now i think there

00:34:02.000 there was a uh a reporter that i i'm acquainted with who's with the daily caller in the u.s had

00:34:06.880 tweeted because he was on trump's campaign plane for some event and he tweeted like the airplane meal

00:34:11.760 tray that the reporters on the plane got and it was literally like a mcdonald's hamburger and fries and

00:34:17.520 the mcdonald's condiments package so it's like mcdonald's is the official caterer basically of the trump

00:34:22.320 campaign now whether they know it and like it or not yeah i mean i wish i could eat like that i

00:34:27.600 think our other the actual us president now joe biden needs a lot healthier than that but i think his

00:34:32.320 mental decline is uh far worse and far more obvious than uh president trump which probably

00:34:37.920 brings us to our next story if you guys are ready to to change gears here but uh maybe we

00:34:42.480 should go ahead and play that hilarious clip from the g7 meeting this week

00:34:46.400 this is it yeah this is in apulia italy oh no we're losing joe we're losing the president he's

00:34:54.560 going somewhere i wish they had just let him and not bothered and then oh georgia maloney comes 1.00

00:35:01.120 she's bringing him back in being a good hostess for the g7 and then he inexplicably just puts his

00:35:09.200 sunglasses on while they're posing for the photo like he's david caruso in csi miami uh so believe it

00:35:15.360 or not that was not the only bidenism this week he was also doing an event when chuck schumer the

00:35:21.520 democrat senator was speaking and this one i want to tell you what to look for because so i i will do

00:35:27.760 a little bit of a preamble on this he shakes hands and then look at what he tries to do after he shakes

00:35:33.360 hands with chuck schumer

00:35:41.760 now our great speaker our partner who all of these bills

00:35:46.960 the best part about these clips is everyone around him being so uncomfortable and like unsure what to

00:35:52.640 do and just embarrassed i mean in the first clip i wish that the other leaders would have just kind of

00:35:57.760 left him and and and just let him wander off and make it into the g6 yeah what would have happened

00:36:03.360 if we just kind of like left him to his own vices um you know in this and the second clip you can see

00:36:07.840 like closely standing there like oh no joe like not again like get it together man like they gotta

00:36:12.560 stop putting me up here with this guy like he's so he's forgotten in the span of three seconds that

00:36:16.960 he already shook the guy's hand but and it's like these things are kind of silly like george bush

00:36:21.200 always had these little verbal slip-ups that were kind of fun and everyone liked making fun of him for

00:36:25.600 him but but no one questioned his mental capacity and that's where there's a part of the biden thing

00:36:30.320 that's that's actually quite sad because i think there is a compelling case to be made that this is

00:36:34.720 just elder abuse this is a guy who's not even in control of his own faculties that's just being like

00:36:39.280 pushed out and just paraded around like he's some puppet and then you know when he he starts walking

00:36:44.240 wrong in in one direction that's wrong someone just turns him around and eventually he gets where he

00:36:48.880 needs to go oh there's no doubt like this is not a verbal slip-up like i i have verbal slip-ups all the

00:36:54.160 time you don't have to be old for that you could also just be like a postpartum mom that hasn't

00:36:57.520 slept through the night in nine months but this is like next level like this is someone who often

00:37:01.760 doesn't know where they are why they are there what they are doing i remember this is someone who

00:37:06.160 the special counsel said he couldn't be prosecuted for having um government documents at home because

00:37:11.280 he wasn't mentally well enough he was too old to be to be you know examined for why he had these

00:37:16.000 government documents and we couldn't even remember when he was vice president when they interviewed him

00:37:19.600 so you know this is someone very scary that he's a president of the us i don't know how he's going

00:37:23.840 to handle and handle himself in those debates against trump i know he agreed to debate um donald

00:37:28.960 trump in i think it's a late summer um ahead of the of course general election so i'm curious to see

00:37:34.880 how that's going to play out i think whenever there seems to be a big event they always seem to give

00:37:38.960 him something to kind of like juice him up for a couple hours so uh maybe you know maybe he'll he'll

00:37:44.080 handle himself all right but uh expectations are certainly on the floor at this you think they're giving

00:37:48.720 him some like magic potion backstage that just like you know for for 30 minutes he holds it together

00:37:53.360 and then undoubtedly yeah yeah yeah i i think are you uh what's your expectation of uh biden trump

00:37:59.440 debates yeah they're doing the same thing they do with uh nhl players who are playing in the stanley

00:38:03.760 cup finals that like tear their acl and play through it like for sure they're just back there shooting

00:38:07.440 adrenaline up their leg they might be doing the same with joe but yeah speaking of the um how uncomfortable

00:38:13.200 the leaders might have been experiencing that i mean i'm uncomfortable just watching that clip right

00:38:18.720 like this is the leader of the free world one of the most powerful people in the world and i mean

00:38:24.160 i that i've seen even more videos than just that circulating that he is completely lost like

00:38:30.000 if you don't think he has some sort of mental problem let's call it i mean could be dementia senile age

00:38:36.080 yeah uh you know it's it's a worrisome thing when someone with that much power can't remember

00:38:43.840 anything doesn't really know where they are half the time i mean i'm sure when he's in the white

00:38:48.560 house lots of people are kind of shadowing him let's say to make sure nothing nothing goes wrong but

00:38:54.160 or is he even doing it or is he just like taking a nap and then like kamala harris and his chief of

00:38:58.480 staff are running who knows definitely not kamala harris like she's not much better off than him

00:39:03.520 like let's be honest i think that's she walks in one straight direction when she's on stage which is a 1.00

00:39:09.360 i never thought i mean it's a very very low bar that we we need to clear in politics now

00:39:14.240 um okay this is like a it's not like a we should have ended on the biden one actually but just very

00:39:18.880 briefly one of the big changes in x the artist formerly known as twitter this week was the

00:39:24.080 disappearing of the people who like your tweet so you can't now go and say oh well isaac liked

00:39:31.520 a tweet from joe biden uh so we're gonna you know cancel isaac or something like that i i see i didn't

00:39:37.280 really care because i've don't just spend my days trying to cancel people for tweets they like and

00:39:43.200 elon musk he had put something out to this effect as though this was the reason where he effectively

00:39:47.360 says we can put that tweet up here important to allow people to like posts without getting attacked

00:39:52.880 for doing so then i saw who was freaking out about it and the only one i saw was uh rachel gilmore

00:39:58.720 the uh tick tock uh commentator who was basically sad that now she can't go through and look at

00:40:05.280 people's likes so if if those were the only people doing it i think it was probably a good move

00:40:10.160 yeah initially when i saw this i didn't really care either and i was like i don't think this will

00:40:13.440 change anything but then i remembered i sort of built my life to be uncounselable i work for a

00:40:18.480 company that i'm very ideologically aligned with um and you know i'm very obviously conservative

00:40:24.080 very obviously christian so i don't really feel like i have much to hide from i also don't spend

00:40:28.080 a ton of time on twitter either but i think there are legitimately people who well there are like

00:40:32.720 there's no doubt about this there are still legitimately people who have conservative

00:40:36.240 leaning values and feel like they can't talk about them publicly especially when we look at stuff like

00:40:40.240 parental rights and transiting the kids people who you know might not even otherwise be

00:40:44.800 conservative but are against some really radical policies like this who have felt like they can't

00:40:49.040 speak about it and when we often talk about the online sphere and especially x becoming

00:40:53.920 sort of the new public sphere i think it does give those people who have felt that they have to be

00:40:59.360 quiet in all areas of their life except for maybe inside their home for so long now it does give them

00:41:04.480 a little more avenue to just be themselves and post what they want to post or maybe like what they

00:41:08.480 want to like without constantly feeling and looking behind their shoulder wondering if they're

00:41:12.560 going to be next to get cancelled yeah what's uh what's your take on this isaac yeah i think

00:41:17.600 people are so cautious these days uh you know you're just ever since you're raised as a child coming

00:41:23.520 up with technology they're so cautious about what they post or what they do online knowing that it

00:41:29.120 could stay with them and haunt them forever so i think this is good in a in a privacy sense you

00:41:35.120 know i'd always maybe in the back of my mind when liking a crazy tweet be like uh what if someone

00:41:39.040 sees this or you know you never know what's gonna happen what are you liking now i need to look at

00:41:42.320 your life i can't look at your life though yeah no that's the funny part i never like anything crazy

00:41:46.560 either i mean what you'd expect yeah now i can like i can like whatever i want to be liking crazy stuff

00:41:53.520 i'm gonna like all the conspiracy theories i see online about andrew lawton

00:41:58.240 well most of those are probably true actually so anyway have fun with it uh all right that does it

00:42:03.360 for us for today this is uh this is my pleasure to do this we'll be back with the andrew lawton

00:42:08.080 show rachel's got alberta roundup isaac's got daily briefs you can catch all of what we do and more

00:42:12.880 over at tnc.news and remember everything you heard was off the record

00:42:24.880 does our little off the record outro just kind of make sure that we are not going to be held

00:42:30.080 responsible for anything that we've said no no you're still responsible it's called marketing

00:42:35.120 no i'm not because i said in my opinion so i'm good we want people to feel like they they were

00:42:40.320 like eavesdropping on a conversation they shouldn't have this is as clandestine as your twitter likes to

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