Juno News - Still no ＂buyback＂ program for Trudeau's banned guns (ft. Rod Giltaca)

00:00:00.000 I wanted to talk about the firearms file because you may know I am a gun owner and I have one of

00:00:14.060 those evil scary AR-15s that the liberal government banned in May of 2020 in response

00:00:20.380 to a mass shooting, well not a mass shooting, a spree killing in Nova Scotia which involved

00:00:26.580 no legally owned firearms which is a very key part of this distinction. So as a result it would not

00:00:32.680 have been prevented by anything that the liberals have put into force either through that order in

00:00:37.660 council or in subsequent legislation but never let facts get in the way of the government's

00:00:42.880 narrative on this. At its core the government said we're going to do a two-year ban, we're going to

00:00:48.460 put in an am, well a permanent ban but a two-year amnesty period and in that two years we're going

00:00:53.180 to set up a buyback program where we can buy back something that we never owned in the first place

00:00:58.280 which is your lawfully acquired and licensed property. And instead the government has not

00:01:04.160 managed to do it, they've spent millions of dollars despite not actually setting up this buyback

00:01:08.060 program, they've extended the amnesty period, now it is set to elapse in less than six weeks and still

00:01:14.640 not a single gun has been purchased by the government. I am still sitting on one of these

00:01:20.020 guns that I am not legally allowed to do anything with but look at. I can ogle it perhaps but that's

00:01:25.560 about it. And business owners, as we chronicled in our documentary Assaulted, Justin Trudeau's War

00:01:31.100 on Gun Owners, have still been sitting for now over three years on hundreds of thousands, millions of

00:01:37.000 dollars in inventory that they cannot sell, they can't return and the government has given them no

00:01:41.860 mechanism to offload to them. So it's a bit of a problem but we have a legal action from the Canadian

00:01:49.440 Coalition for Firearm Rights, whose head Rod Giltaka joins us now. Rod, always good to talk

00:01:54.980 to you. Thanks for coming on today. Thanks for having me Andrew. So I mean let's, I was going to have

00:01:59.800 you on anyway to talk about this but you've taken some action here in the last day. What's going on?

00:02:05.080 Well we have prepared all the paperwork to file and a, sorry, to file an injunction against the federal

00:02:15.720 government for, basically because they're waiting. Every time this amnesty deadline rolls around,

00:02:23.180 the government waits till the last couple of days and it stresses a lot of gun owners. People like me,

00:02:30.000 I understand the political consequences to the liberals for not renewing the amnesty,

00:02:34.680 which I'm sure they're going to do it, but for the everyday gun owner, especially elderly people,

00:02:39.840 as that deadline approaches, they start to get very nervous and some people might even turn in

00:02:45.500 their guns because they're worried they'll become criminals. So the reason why we file these

00:02:49.700 injunctions, even though it's not absolutely legally necessary yet, is because the government is playing

00:02:57.040 this game with people and the reason I know that is I have a, I don't know, I would say 20 to 40

00:03:03.520 people somewhere, somewhere in that region that contact the CCFR each time that this amnesty was

00:03:10.640 coming to an end. And these people are stressed and it's, in my opinion, it's the way that the

00:03:15.520 government makes people feel small. You know, maybe, maybe we'll renew it, maybe we won't. So we just

00:03:20.680 wanted to force their hand, like we did last time around, to, to hurry up, renew it. They don't have to

00:03:26.380 cause stress and, and, and that kind of harm in people's lives and let's just get on with it.

00:03:30.600 Yeah. The, the logic of it is that the government has prohibited these guns. They've given no

00:03:36.540 mechanism by which people can get rid of them. Obviously they can't, uh, you know, just turn

00:03:41.380 around and start doing mass arrests the day after because they're the ones who have failed. So I,

00:03:45.660 I agree with you wholeheartedly that we know they're going to do it, but at the same time,

00:03:49.800 it's the uncertainty. And I think it's the government trying to drive home this point that

00:03:53.500 gun ownership is a privilege that they can take away just as easily as they grant to remind you that

00:03:58.380 your rights don't exist, that your property is not your property.

00:04:02.160 Well, yeah. And most people and rightly so aren't involved in politics. Most people aren't following

00:04:07.560 this stuff like I, uh, you or I do. Right. And it, it, it makes, it terrifies them. And to me,

00:04:13.600 the injustice of that is ridiculous. And it just, it's, it's yet another example of how irresponsibly, 0.94

00:04:21.200 uh, the liberals run government. So that's, that's the reason why we're starting earlier than we did

00:04:26.880 last time. Uh, now six weeks to go, uh, to file that injunction and make sure that they just do

00:04:32.140 the right thing and they do it soon and not put people through any more hardship than they're

00:04:36.080 already experiencing in Canada. One thing that I would point out as well, looking at the freeze

00:04:41.240 more broadly is that the government's view was that lawfully owned firearms like AR-15s and other

00:04:49.000 semi-automatic rifles, uh, and including many that were non-restricted and used for hunting before,

00:04:53.940 like mini-14s, that those guns were a danger, even in the hands of people like you and I who are

00:04:59.560 vetted, who are licensed, who keep the guns in the cabinet. And it's so counterintuitive that these

00:05:04.380 things that are such a public safety risk can just be allowed to sort of just exist out in the

00:05:09.140 country indefinitely and keep renewing it. And don't get me wrong. I'm, I'm happy they haven't done

00:05:13.440 the mass confiscation, but it, it undermines their own logic and their own basis for that order and

00:05:18.460 counsel in the first place, which is that these things had to be off the streets and out of

00:05:22.460 people's homes as quickly as possible. Well, of course, and, um, three and a half years later,

00:05:29.060 um, violence has done nothing but increase, uh, disorder and chaos in the streets has done nothing

00:05:34.860 but increase a year, more than a year past the handgun freeze and guns are still being used in urban

00:05:41.100 centers by the same people that were using them before. So it's, uh, again, gun control is about

00:05:47.880 98% political. There are, as a, as a group, we know that there's a place for regulation of firearms,

00:05:54.280 but regulation has to be reasonable and it has to be, it has to have a demonstrable positive effect

00:05:59.680 on public safety. And what we've seen from the liberals since day one in 2015 is the exact

00:06:04.780 opposite. And, and I think the, the, the most atrocious part of that is they're using government

00:06:10.020 power to do it. So you need to have a very high degree of responsibility. If you're going to run a G7

00:06:15.460 nation and we just have, we've seen exactly the opposite. We saw a very different approach given,

00:06:21.760 uh, by the government in the May 2020 order and council to their subsequent freeze on handguns

00:06:28.340 with the, the order and council, it was, these guns are basically bricked. You can't take them to the

00:06:32.620 range. You can't shoot them. You can't buy them. You can't sell them with handguns. It was a little 0.95

00:06:36.800 bit more lax and what you'd call the grandfathering where, okay, anyone who has one, you can still use

00:06:42.280 it, but you can't buy a new one. You can't transfer it. Do you think that was because they view handguns

00:06:48.240 in this different category? Do you think it was that they realized how much they screwed up on the

00:06:51.520 first one? I think so. I think so. There's nothing stopping the government from, uh, pulling back on

00:06:59.000 some of the provisions that they had created in the May 2020 gun ban, letting people take their gun to

00:07:03.940 the range. You know, I, I have to do a series of videos, uh, this week with, uh, a very popular

00:07:09.620 YouTuber at the range. I hadn't been in the range in a long time, but I would just love to take the

00:07:14.180 guns that I would normally take. But now I have to take other firearms because that are basically

00:07:19.840 equivalent because the firearms that I can't take to the range, you know, I'm prohibited from,

00:07:24.080 from moving them. So they, if the, if the government really wanted to, um, extend an olive branch

00:07:30.540 to all the people like me and you that haven't done anything to deserve to be treated this way,

00:07:34.760 it would be to treat the, uh, the May 2020, uh, now prohibited firearms in the same way that they

00:07:41.400 treated handguns. And I think your point is, is really hits home when you think, well, the majority

00:07:47.600 of firearms used in criminal activity and firearm related violence in Canada, the overwhelming

00:07:51.900 majority are handguns, but they're saying, well, you can still use your handgun as you did before.

00:07:56.520 Just no new ones can come in the country and you can't transfer it. So you, I mean, those things in,

00:08:01.620 in, in real life evidence that you can see with your own eyes show that all of this is a political

00:08:07.660 campaign. It's not, it's not about public safety. It's about politics. It's about getting urban votes,

00:08:12.840 scaring urban voters, uh, getting their votes and then trying to mitigate the damage, uh, among gun

00:08:18.060 owners, uh, politically. So, um, I, I think I would really love to see the day, uh, happen in Canada

00:08:24.660 where we are making laws and policies, uh, with public, with public safety in mind rather than a

00:08:30.620 political motivation. We know that gun owners are just a demographic minority in this country,

00:08:35.880 you know, maybe 2 million gun owners, legal gun owners, and a country of approaching 40 million

00:08:41.020 people. We also know that, uh, polling, uh, shows thanks in large part to media misinformation that

00:08:47.280 gun control measures by governments can come across pretty well, which is why the work you do on

00:08:52.740 education is so important. But at the same time, it would probably pull well for Justin Trudeau and,

00:08:59.880 uh, whoever the public safety minister is now to stand in front of a big giant warehouse full of

00:09:05.000 AR-15s and hold a press conference. They, we've just taken all of these things off the street. 0.98

00:09:09.960 They would love to do that. So I'm really curious why you think they haven't. Is it just general

00:09:15.520 bureaucratic ineptitude that has kept this so-called buyback from materializing?

00:09:20.820 Well, the buyback was never reality in the first place, right? So the Trudeau liberals look at

00:09:25.700 countries like Australia or, uh, or New Zealand. New Zealand is a tiny, tiny country. It's like,

00:09:32.440 I think half the size of British Columbia, if I, if I have my geography right, but Canada is a country

00:09:37.280 that is 10 million square kilometers. So there, there are Canadians that are gun owners spread out

00:09:43.780 over a massive, massive, uh, landmass. And to, to create buyback opportunities in local communities

00:09:51.060 across a country so big. And so just so vast is, is a task beyond, certainly beyond this government

00:09:58.080 that's proven it's ineptitudes in so many different ways. Um, but it's also incredibly expensive and

00:10:04.740 even just the administration cost. Plus it's a very specialized operation. It's not like they're

00:10:09.540 distributing checks or something in the mail. You have to have people that are qualified, uh, and

00:10:14.220 legally allowed to handle firearms, uh, to make sure that they're unloaded or can't present, uh, any kind

00:10:20.380 of public safety, uh, issue when you receive them, they have to be secured because God forbid, a gang

00:10:26.000 breaks into some, one of these, uh, collection centers and ends up with, you know, 250 AR-15s,

00:10:31.880 um, plus all the, uh, associated gear that people might inadvertently turn in. I mean, it's just,

00:10:36.520 it was a huge, huge task. And it also required a huge budget that could have easily spun out of

00:10:42.360 control. And it would have been a boondoggle for the liberals, just like the long gun registry was.

00:10:46.500 So there's even political risk there. So there's a number of reasons why they haven't done it. Some

00:10:51.540 of them legitimate and the other, I think political. And I think another point, if I were to add

00:10:57.140 something else, Andrew, is that the, because this is political in nature, the liberals always want to

00:11:03.760 stretch things out so that they become a promise for the next election. They've done it twice already.

00:11:08.880 So they're like, don't worry, urban voters. We are the only political party that will, you know,

00:11:14.920 bring these terrible licensed gun owners to heal, but you'll have to elect us one more time. So 0.54

00:11:19.760 there's a lot of reasons I think why you see, uh, delays. There's a, uh, and I think there's also a

00:11:25.140 compelling reason why you don't see so much gun control coming from them right now, because towards

00:11:29.740 the end, it wasn't playing well because they were banning firearms used, generally used for hunting

00:11:36.740 and worse. So, you know, I don't think it gave them the political boost that they thought. I thought,

00:11:41.400 I think that it was probably more damaging than they, than they had imagined. So I guess, uh,

00:11:46.260 the real question is what are we going to see from them in the next month or two?

00:11:49.700 Well, I would also add too, that because it's dragged on so long, there have been other political

00:11:54.260 changes in the, in the country. And you now have provincial governments that are saying we will not

00:11:59.100 allow police resources in this province to be used in any gun confiscation. I mean, we've seen that in

00:12:04.500 Saskatchewan and Alberta, I think Manitoba as well may have done that. So you've now got provinces that

00:12:09.620 are using kind of the one trump card they have, which is, you know, we can't challenge the law

00:12:14.180 itself, but we can say that our police officers will not be playing ball with this.

00:12:18.720 Well, unfortunately the OPP does not reside amongst that group. They, uh, it's badly as an

00:12:24.500 Ontarian. I may have to like take up residence in Alberta when this eventually does come.

00:12:29.200 Yeah, they're, they're, they're cooperating is my understanding. And, uh, in fact,

00:12:33.120 it's my understanding that they're wondering, Hey, what's the, what's the holdup? So, uh, I don't

00:12:37.680 know what that means for Ontarians, but, um, but yeah, that's, uh, that's an unfortunate situation

00:12:43.280 there. So, I mean, look, you want an injunction. How long a delay do you think is ideal? How long

00:12:48.560 are you going to be seeking? Well, I mean, until the next election. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 26 months is what

00:12:56.640 we're after, but, uh, I, I think, um, probably two years would be acceptable. I mean, it's been

00:13:03.400 three and a half years already. They've, they haven't bought a single firearm back and we haven't

00:13:07.760 seen even a framework for a buyback. So I think two years would be, uh, would be the appropriate

00:13:14.080 amount of time. But again, what I would like to see from the liberals, uh, would be for them to just

00:13:20.500 say, okay, you know what? Don't worry about the buyback. We're going to, uh, treat these firearms

00:13:25.120 like we're treating handguns right now. Let the people use them. They haven't done anything.

00:13:29.760 They, you know, they, all these firearms have been safely stored here for three and a half years and

00:13:34.080 everyone's gun safes. Um, and let people use their firearms again, uh, let them use them until, uh,

00:13:40.400 whatever conditions at the end of the life, uh, end of their lives, like they're doing with handguns

00:13:45.440 and, uh, just stop punishing regular people. And, uh, I think that would be probably a good policy

00:13:50.720 for the liberals to, uh, to pursue in the interim. And I'll just add one more thing. If you don't see

00:13:56.560 that because it was reasonable for handguns, if you don't see it, it's because they're looking for

00:14:01.280 a new election promise to try to get reelected in two years. Yeah. And I, I think you're completely

00:14:06.800 right about that, Rod. And I would also point out that I'm in no hurry to have this done. I I'm totally

00:14:12.240 fine with just delaying it indefinitely, except I would love to see the handgun approach, which is to

00:14:16.320 say that if you believe that gun owners are the problem, which the government does, and that,

00:14:21.840 you know, the safety requirements and the restrictions on where you can transport them

00:14:25.440 aren't going to do enough to dissuade crime. It really doesn't matter whether you allow licensed

00:14:29.440 gun owners to go to the range or not like you do with handguns. It's purely, purely punitive

00:14:35.120 and a short sighted. And I think a reminder that this order in council was really like scrawled out on

00:14:39.680 a napkin when a liberal ministers were watching CNN and seeing, oh, well, yeah, maybe we could do something.

00:14:46.320 Yeah. Well, they, they came up with this whole plan in two weeks after the shooting in Nova Scotia.

00:14:51.680 Right. So, um, and then they've been backpedaling ever since, you know, they said that they were

00:14:57.280 Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair said that they would come up with a buyback, you know, at the earliest

00:15:01.600 possible opportunity. And, uh, like we've said several times just in this interview, those two.

00:15:06.960 Well, and even if it were to be launched today to say that it could be done in the next six weeks,

00:15:12.640 like this is like, I think you'd even need over a year of the buyback being in effect to round up

00:15:18.800 every gun in Canada. And that's a low ball. Well, absolutely. I mean, think, think about

00:15:24.240 how many collection centers you'd really need. You know, you'd need one in Nunavut, right?

00:15:30.160 A collection center in Nunavut, even though you're probably going to get,

00:15:32.880 I don't know, 50 guns up there. You might need many in Nunavut just because of the size.

00:15:38.240 Well, yeah. And then their other plan, if you remember, was to get Canada Post

00:15:42.160 to participate and, uh, basically send people boxes that they can put an AR-15 into a functional

00:15:48.560 AR-15 into and then stick along your self-addressed stamped envelope.

00:15:52.640 Yeah. Stick it in the mail, man. Imagine, imagine when a bunch of those go missing. Right. And then,

00:15:58.880 of course, Canada Post's concern was like, well, what are you telling us? Are you telling us that

00:16:02.880 we're going to have post offices around the country where these packages are going to come in for

00:16:07.520 processing to go to a central, central location? And we're going to have offices that have AR-15s and,

00:16:14.640 and, you know, CZ-858 sitting around and our staff were the only thing

00:16:18.880 between those guns and criminals. Like just, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense.

00:16:22.880 Yeah. The Canada Post, uh, processing center in Red Deer, Alberta or something is going to become

00:16:27.280 like better armed than a U S air base. So how are you going to provide security for what,

00:16:32.560 I don't know, 800 different postal locations, even the vehicles that are picking up these packages

00:16:38.320 and going from A to B to the, to, to wherever they're, you know, they're going to receive them.

00:16:42.160 Yeah. Because under the licensing, I wouldn't even be allowed to walk the gun to the post office.

00:16:46.560 Yeah. There, there's a lot of, there's a lot of details there that the government couldn't care

00:16:52.640 less about when they made that, they saw an opportunity and they grabbed it and they've

00:16:56.400 been living with the albatross that they slung around their own necks for three and a half years.

00:17:00.400 Uh, my producer, Sean says it adds a whole new risk of going postal, which, uh, when that's the

00:17:06.400 level of humor we're getting on the show, it's time to wrap things up. Uh, Rod Giltaka from the

00:17:10.560 Canadian coalition for firearm rights. Uh, great to have your cooperation on that documentary

00:17:14.560 assaulted, which, uh, has stood the test of time, I think, because the buyback is still nowhere to

00:17:19.440 be seen businesses that we spoke to there. I ran into a couple of them at your AGM, uh,

00:17:23.920 back, uh, this summer, and they're still dealing with the same inventory they were dealing with

00:17:27.840 when I interviewed them in the spring of 2021. So, uh, thanks so much for that and for coming on

00:17:32.880 today, Rod. Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for listening to the Andrew Lawton Show.

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Juno News - September 24, 2023

Still no ＂buyback＂ program for Trudeau's banned guns (ft. Rod Giltaca)

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