Juno News - Surprise, surprise! CBC defends Trudeau’s carbon tax

00:00:00.000 are you guys getting like just non-stop like spam phone calls now i'm getting like one eight six six

00:00:06.480 i've always gotten that yeah i get i've gotten them about three or four times this week

00:00:11.680 yeah this is why you just don't answer your phone it's the best strategy best way of screening just

00:00:15.280 don't answer any calls unless it's like you know who it is and even then for a while i was getting

00:00:20.080 calls that were pretending to be from the cra saying that i owe the money it was so obviously

00:00:24.400 a scam it was like someone from india and they had like a thick indian accent so like they call

00:00:28.560 and i'd answer i kind of mess with them like oh hi can i speak with someone in french please and

00:00:32.320 then they just hang up i'm going to use that one that is the best person during cobit i had a cra

00:00:41.120 call but because they were all working from home it was like just someone calling from their cell

00:00:45.280 phone in newfoundland and it was legitimate but it was like the weird like the sketchiest thing just

00:00:51.120 because it like wasn't like there was nothing official about it it was just some random like

00:00:55.600 phone call from someone personally yeah it's like you guys know that there's like scams like every

00:01:00.240 day coming out people pretending they're like you should do something to make yourself seem like more

00:01:05.280 authentic and official or something yeah yeah i get calls from the u.s it's it's and they claim to be

00:01:11.760 a canadian government official i'm just uh well i i don't i don't have any tricks like you do candace about

00:01:16.720 how to play with them i just i just wonder why it's why it's so out of control i've heard some i've heard

00:01:21.920 some theories about it but we'll save that for a different show well do you know why because i

00:01:25.680 listened to a podcast once where basically they were getting all these scam calls and so the guy

00:01:30.160 played along and then he ended up doing investigative work we flew to india and like went to the town

00:01:34.400 where they were doing this and like try to take down like the whole empire and so i listened to that

00:01:38.560 podcast series it was like this is like probably eight years ago now and so then i whatever he was

00:01:43.040 doing i like to use those tricks to try to like find out who it was that was doing it but yeah maybe we

00:01:48.880 should do some true north investigation into the fake sea array agents harrison we're sending them

00:01:56.400 all right guys let's get this started

00:02:04.240 hi everybody welcome to off the record thank you so much for joining us today so this is a

00:02:09.200 show where we just talk about our favorite interesting stories of the week not really

00:02:12.960 newsy per se but we have a little bit of a more relaxed conversation about it so i'm joined by

00:02:18.320 andrew lawton who is the host of the andrew lawton show and the senior editor here at true north and

00:02:23.440 also joined by harrison faulkner who is the host of ratioed and also a reporter at true north so thank

00:02:29.840 you for joining me both so yeah so i never know whether to respond in that moment sometimes you

00:02:38.480 just plan to go right through anyway i'm here well if you if you had something to say you could jump in

00:02:42.560 and say it at that moment but then if you don't then we'll just carry on keep calm and carry on so

00:02:47.520 let's talk about this cbc story so justin trudeau was out in alberta uh this week and we were told that

00:02:53.280 he was going to give us some kind of announcement he really didn't he was just kind of there to talk

00:02:57.520 about how great the carbon taxes and how great his dental plan is or his pharma care plan like he

00:03:04.080 didn't he didn't really have anything uh the the main story for me was that he would not let rachel

00:03:09.280 emmanuel into his press conference which is just rude and annoying and you forget that justin trudeau

00:03:15.440 is a tyrant right like you see him failing in the polls you see him making silly embarrassing things

00:03:20.720 uh saying silly embarrassing things online all the time uh you you think that maybe he's gonna like

00:03:26.080 soften up and and and try to be more like reconciliatory but then as soon as he sees a true

00:03:31.440 north reporter or a sig a daily signal reporter counter signal report uh porter he he just goes right back

00:03:38.240 to like tyrant mode where he gets the police to push them out anyway uh luckily he has the cbc

00:03:44.720 there to defend him so we had this article that we saw the real problem with the carbon tax guys

00:03:50.800 is not that it's a bad policy it's not that it's making life so unaffordable it's not that they're

00:03:55.120 raising the price at the worst time when canadians are suffering from inflation which in part was caused

00:03:59.760 by the carbon tax the real problem according to the cbc is just that they're not communicating it

00:04:04.640 properly they just need to figure out a different way to communicate it andrew what are your thoughts

00:04:09.520 on all this yeah this was i mean literally this is liberal communications this is liberal spin because

00:04:16.640 a couple of months ago you may recall maybe it was about six weeks ago the liberals set out on this uh

00:04:21.600 grand canadian effort to rebrand the carbon tax because the liberals decided to take the view that

00:04:27.360 the carbon tax was just a messaging problem it was a communications problem which is really

00:04:32.320 insulting to canadians because what they're saying is that no no no you're just too dumb to understand

00:04:37.520 the policy so we're going to really explain it to you and then once you understand it then you'll

00:04:43.120 like it it's like uh you know basically the liberals are just saying that there's no way canadians could

00:04:48.800 possibly be against them unless they just don't know enough information uh like i try try applying

00:04:53.840 that to dating if someone does not interest you no no you don't know me yet you don't know me it's

00:04:57.840 just not going to work so the reality is aaron wary's piece in cbc is literally taking that

00:05:04.080 approach from the liberals that this is just a messaging problem not that canadians cannot afford

00:05:09.120 uh a carbon tax cannot afford the increases to the carbon tax and do not want to pay for something

00:05:14.880 that has at best a dubious relationship with the environmental objectives that the liberals claim

00:05:21.040 the carbon tax will solve i think that's absolutely right harrison what are your thoughts

00:05:26.240 well given that the cbc is the communications wing of the pmo he should be taking his frustration out

00:05:31.840 with his own employer the cbc but it's weird because in the article aaron weary is basically

00:05:36.880 blaming the banks for not manipulating their statements so that canadians can clearly see what

00:05:42.720 is a rebate and and and and not uh he basically says right here while energy suppliers specify the

00:05:49.120 federal carbon change on the bills they send to customers banks are not obliged to clearly label

00:05:54.080 their rebates when deposits are made to canadians accounts so he's taking it out on the banks for

00:05:59.280 not clearly labeling labeling what the cbc what the pmo want canadians to see the reality is as andrew

00:06:05.680 said this is not a communications issue canadians just don't want to don't want to have to pay for

00:06:10.080 another tax which they know isn't working so it's just it's just classic i mean of course the whole carbon

00:06:16.000 tax house of cards is crumbling provinces are now uh pushing back except for except for i guess yukon

00:06:23.200 recently but a lot of the provinces now are pushing back on this and they've got their they're in

00:06:28.080 panic mode trito went on an eight minute uncontrolled rant a few days ago at this press conferences at the

00:06:33.680 press conference trying to defend his carbon tax which is which is crumbling so it's nice to see

00:06:39.120 yeah he seems a little unhinged in that video if i'm if i'm being uh critical and honest uh andrew you

00:06:43.840 cover this on your podcast that i think seven or eight out of the premiers out of the 10 premiers

00:06:48.800 everyone other than bc and perhaps manitoba although manitoba sort of half in and half out

00:06:53.920 uh have come out opposed to the uh carbon taxes it's interesting because uh when you see the cbc

00:07:00.000 write a piece like this it's kind of like telling you what's going through their own heads in the pmo

00:07:03.920 like like like the idea that really the canadians just must not understand it i know that the auditor

00:07:08.800 general came out with a pretty damning report saying that most canadians are actually worse off

00:07:13.280 under this uh under this new tax regime uh what what would you do if you were advising the liberals

00:07:20.080 well the the problem is is that it's kind of too late for them to save face on this without having

00:07:25.600 some colossal embarrassment because they have been so unrepentant about this i mean you mentioned

00:07:30.560 harrison justin trudeau's eight minute long answer and i don't know what's worse that people had to hear

00:07:36.880 him try to defend the carbon tax for eight minutes or just people had to hear him for eight minutes

00:07:40.880 but the reality is the government has been just they've just had scorn and disdain for anyone

00:07:47.680 opposed to this policy they've decided to make this really the flagship policy of their government

00:07:53.120 and imagine that like harper's the the policy that i mean i i would say harper's government was not as

00:07:57.920 bold as it could have and should have been but but if you were to try to link like harper to a

00:08:01.760 particular policy outside of the recession you'd probably say the gst reduction like that's probably a

00:08:07.600 flagship enduring legacy policy from that government justin trudeau wants to make an

00:08:12.640 added tax the policy that people most closely link to him so given that there is this revolt of the

00:08:19.120 premiers now uh seven of the ten uh main canadian provincial premiers have not condemned it manitoba

00:08:25.840 you're right is they're like not saying if they have or haven't privately which is weird in and of

00:08:30.560 itself you've got the premier of the northwest territories who's against it uh the but the reality

00:08:36.800 is that the liberals have boxed themselves in so much where uh showing weakness is not going to

00:08:42.320 help them so i'd say the only card left to play is just simply doing the right thing which is uh

00:08:48.320 letting canadians have some relief it's not going to help them politically but it's the right thing

00:08:52.720 to do well no i think you're right i think that justin trudeau sees himself as an environmentalist

00:08:57.280 that's probably the pet issue that he cares the most about hence why he had that embarrassing

00:09:01.360 groveling media uh with greta thunberg during one of the previous elections you know he's got a

00:09:06.480 radical environmentalist as his environment minister which is is so unbecoming and when you

00:09:12.480 know when when uh uh governments complain that they can't get meetings with him and they can't

00:09:16.640 communicate with him he just says like it's your problem not ours uh he's he's quite proud of his

00:09:21.040 his environment minister uh so i think right andrew it's like a hill he wants to die on and i think he

00:09:25.520 wants to run in the next election using this as one of the wedge issues to say like conservatives and

00:09:30.560 peer polio don't believe in climate change that's just like every day in the house of commons they're

00:09:34.320 talking about this that's all we hear that same platitude the conservatives don't care about

00:09:37.840 climate change we're the only ones that care about climate change uh do you think that's a

00:09:42.800 good message for them to go into the election with harrison well i don't i don't because it looks as

00:09:48.720 though you know the premiers across the country even liberal premiers know that it's politically

00:09:53.280 uh it's politically dangerous we just had we just heard from i think it was rachel emanuel's

00:09:58.080 interview with an ndp strategist pointing this out in alberta that even though even the ndp can't

00:10:04.720 can't stand for a carbon tax because it's not going to work for them uh we're starting to see

00:10:09.280 the serious damage this is causing not just um for canadians but also look at the agriculture industry

00:10:15.360 the our farmers in our country are being crippled by a carbon tax all of these the this carbon tax led

00:10:21.840 by stephen gilbo who as you point out is is a radical environmentalist

00:10:25.680 this is having real impact on canadians and if liberal premiers aren't willing to stand shoulder

00:10:31.840 to shoulder with a key legacy policy like andrew you pointed out for justin trudeau then it's

00:10:38.000 obviously not going to work for them and it obviously hasn't worked out for them if you take

00:10:41.520 the polls uh if you take the polls as as an indicator of where this country is right now yeah

00:10:46.880 no i think i think that's uh i think that's right i i can't imagine that you know affordability

00:10:52.560 being the biggest issue in the country right now i don't know why you would don't want to double down

00:10:56.400 on not just attacks but like the issue is that they're raising the tax rate april 1st attacks

00:11:00.560 goes up so we're about to get hit uh even harder with this all right uh let's let's transition i'm

00:11:06.160 trying to think of a good way to transition uh to this one but i'm going to hand it over to you

00:11:10.240 andrew uh to talk about uh something a new initiative from the ottawa uh school board uh that's really

00:11:16.160 you know highlighting how you can fail fail up in this country

00:11:19.600 well yes the ottawa carlton district school board now this is just for context the school

00:11:25.680 board that has as a trustee nilly caplan mirth so uh this is basically the caliber of those in

00:11:32.080 charge at the ottawa carlton district school board they've decided that they need to make school more

00:11:36.800 inclusive and you may think okay what's the big deal doesn't really matter uh ottawa school board could

00:11:41.440 make graduation ceremonies more inclusive by allowing those who didn't pass to participate so no we're not

00:11:48.960 talking about racial inclusivity sexual orientation inclusivity gender inclusivity grade inclusivity

00:11:55.520 and if you don't graduate well it would be not inclusive to not invite you to the graduation

00:12:02.560 ceremony now this is not just a change in language as the article says uh this is that they are now

00:12:10.080 pivoting from a graduation ceremony which is something very specific to a commencement ceremony which will

00:12:16.960 allow students of all levels of achievement to cross the stage with their peers even if they have

00:12:25.680 not completed all the requirements to leave high school so look students are going to have different

00:12:32.320 levels of capability you have students with learning disabilities i i get it but the way you deal with

00:12:38.080 that is not by just pretending that everyone's graduated i mean why how far are we going to push this was

00:12:43.440 my question do we uh just say universities have to start being inclusive with their offers of admission

00:12:48.720 and just letting anyone come even if they didn't make it in universities then have to do inclusive

00:12:53.120 commencement and at a certain point when everyone's crossing the floor to pick up their medical degree

00:12:58.000 uh we've just like inclusived our way all the way to the end where everyone's just being called doctor

00:13:03.440 whether or not they graduated i'm being a little bit facetious here but that feels like the direction

00:13:07.360 we're going well it's interesting because andrew you and i are millennials and i think that that was

00:13:12.480 the generation where like everyone would receive a trophy like it didn't matter if you won the race or

00:13:16.720 not you got the the party the participation medal and i you know i i think that that the outcome of that

00:13:24.080 is that you have a lot of pretty entitled pretty you know lazy people in our generation that aren't

00:13:28.960 aren't doing aren't achieving like they could i i think it's kind of changed for gen z and i think the

00:13:34.000 problems facing harrison's generation are much more about sort of like us being scared to to take a

00:13:40.720 step into the real world and you know the whole like i need a safe space and and and you know i

00:13:46.480 need a trigger warning and all this kind of stuff so this this is strange ottawa policy is kind of like

00:13:51.760 merging uh those all together it's like yeah you don't really need to do anything you don't really need

00:13:56.480 to try you don't really even need to show up and graduate but you still get the uh diploma at the end

00:14:01.120 of the day which i i don't know what you're supposed to do with that like what what what comes next after

00:14:05.200 you kind of like fake your way through you know high school and then and then and then what comes

00:14:09.360 next harrison what do you think yeah i i don't know how this will play out but i i can't think of

00:14:15.280 like something worse than not passing high school but then being brought up onto the stage to like

00:14:20.560 pretend as though you did like first of all that's just that's just terrible but i think there's all of

00:14:26.160 these all these policies are all kind of part of the same family take your quotas uh take your dei

00:14:33.840 initiatives uh all this equity stuff all these participation trophies it's all part of the same

00:14:39.520 i think it's all part of the same uh family of policy which is basically to lower standards to such

00:14:46.320 a point where everybody's just everybody's just told to accept that we're all capable of doing the

00:14:51.280 same thing that there shouldn't we shouldn't be celebrating excellence we shouldn't be celebrating

00:14:55.920 achievement and unique uh uniqueness we need to just all pretend as though we're we're we're doing

00:15:01.760 the exact same thing um it is it is i think this is only the beginning unfortunately i think this is

00:15:07.920 going to get way worse and we're going to see this go into universities next um you know we're going to

00:15:13.360 see this go into the workplace if we haven't already it's it's a continuation of the participation trophy

00:15:19.360 idea uh and it's just going to get worse instead of the trophy uh we're basically going to be forced

00:15:24.160 to accept that yeah you you might not be smart enough for example to uh to to be building airplanes

00:15:30.560 but we don't care we're going to let you do that uh you might not have the qualifications to be an

00:15:35.280 engineer but we don't care we want you to be an engineer we want to have you know specific race

00:15:39.360 quotas or gender quotas in the engineering field so we're just going to let you build a bridge see how

00:15:44.720 that goes all of this is going to have problems in the future you can you can see it going that way

00:15:49.920 uh but i i kind of view this as almost an attack on on excellence in a way well there there was a

00:15:56.000 story years ago in and it was also in ottawa oddly that i i it was one of my favorite like of those

00:16:01.920 canadian stories that kind of becomes a bit of a thing like they talked about it on red eye and fox

00:16:07.120 and friends and all of that and i i had kind of contributed to blowing it up a bit but it was

00:16:11.840 basically where an ottawa soccer league had said that if you win by more than five points

00:16:17.920 you automatically lost uh because they were trying to say that it was just not fun anymore for the

00:16:23.520 losing team if they got just absolutely slaughtered on the field so the rule was if you won by more than

00:16:29.040 five you lost and that has stuck with me now for like 10 years because that's the same phenomenon

00:16:33.840 it's the same culture and but the thing is what i don't know and you have kids candace so maybe you

00:16:38.880 can weigh in on this i think kids get this in a way that adults don't and and i'll use myself as

00:16:45.360 an example so years and years ago when i was oh i've played piano my almost my entire life but i did

00:16:50.480 these competitions i think they were called kiwanis competitions there was one time where you know i go

00:16:54.880 and i play my song and at the end of it they're handing out the awards and they give you know first

00:16:58.880 place second place third place and then i got something called the award of merit which i had never heard

00:17:04.800 of but i got the sense that it was nonsense and that it was as though i had lost or uh maybe i

00:17:11.120 got like a non-existent fourth place award and something but i knew that it was a fake award and

00:17:15.600 i felt nothing about it as a kid but kind of annoyed because i knew that i had lost but i but i don't know

00:17:21.200 if i'm in the minority that or of that or if kids are kind of aware that there is this game being played

00:17:27.600 on them by the woke uh no i think kids know i think i think they get it like uh as far as that

00:17:33.520 auto story i never i never heard that story before but when i was growing up you're playing sports

00:17:37.440 sometimes it would stop counting right if you if you were really winning uh they would stop counting

00:17:41.440 or in baseball sometimes they would just call the game if you were if your team was up by like 10 10

00:17:45.200 runs and you're going into the last inning they just wouldn't play the last inning uh but i can't

00:17:49.120 imagine losing over that yeah interesting that you mentioned that andrew because my my son

00:17:53.600 is he's he's the youngest in his class he's youngest in his grade by by over a year just because uh you

00:18:00.320 know he we kind of he skipped himself ahead and because of that whenever it comes to pe and races

00:18:06.320 he's always last and the school maybe it's because it's a traditional school they don't skirt around

00:18:11.040 it like they say you came in last you came in 13th out of 13 boys and like and he knows his time and

00:18:17.680 yeah deal with it kid you know and he does and and and he's like you know i really want to practice

00:18:22.240 running and getting better because i don't like finishing last and we're like well you know you're

00:18:26.160 smaller than the other boys so that's probably likely that you will finish last uh but you can

00:18:30.800 try to beat your own time uh kind of thing and no i i think kids understand the inherent need for

00:18:36.640 competition and they like competition that's what drives them especially boys they love being

00:18:41.840 competitive and you know that it's part of human nature and and when you try to take it away and and

00:18:47.040 water it down i think kids understand and recognize that and to your point andrew they feel

00:18:51.680 like shortchanged by the fact that you're not being honest with them like if you lost you lost

00:18:55.680 and you should learn and to deal with that and uh just final comment on this i think we've seen

00:19:01.280 i think we've seen like the peak of this and we're starting to turn around because i know in the u.s

00:19:05.120 after 2020 and the george floyd riots a lot of elite schools started doing away with uh tests like no more

00:19:12.800 uh standardized tests to determine who gets into the school and i think it's like the the consensus is it's

00:19:18.960 been a disaster like they're bringing back tests let's just say that uh a lot of the students who

00:19:24.480 were brought into those schools uh have not proven that they are uh you know at the level needed to

00:19:30.320 to be at that institution and graduate and so because of that a lot of the administrations at

00:19:34.800 schools like brown and dartmouth are now announcing that they are going to return to you know grading by

00:19:40.240 standardized testing and using them for part of their admission so i i i think i think we're kind of

00:19:45.520 like experimenting and trying and hopefully that we're learning from it and we're not gonna we're

00:19:49.920 not gonna continue down that path okay let's uh let's let's move on i i wanted to uh talk about a

00:19:56.080 little online uh controversy that happened uh with a conservative uh podcast host ben shapiro who runs

00:20:02.960 the daily wire and he went viral online basically we're talking about something that i think is like

00:20:08.880 a pretty standard conservative position that has been a long-standing conservative position so let's play a

00:20:13.760 clip of ben shapiro and let's be real about this it's insane that we haven't raised the retirement

00:20:18.720 age in the united states it's totally crazy joe biden if that were the case joe biden should not

00:20:23.040 be running for president hey joe biden is 81 years old the retirement age in the united states at which

00:20:27.760 you start to receive social security and you are eligible for medicare is 65. joe biden has technically

00:20:33.120 been eligible for social security and medicare for 16 years and he wants to continue in office until

00:20:38.000 he is 86 which is 19 years past when he would be eligible for retirement no one in the united

00:20:44.240 states should be retiring at 65 years old frankly i think retirement itself is a stupid idea unless you

00:20:48.960 have some sort of health problem everybody that i know who is who is elderly who has retired is dead

00:20:54.320 within five years and if you talk to people who are elderly and they lose their purpose in life by

00:20:58.720 losing their job and they stop working things go to hell in a handbasket real quick but put all of that

00:21:04.320 aside just on a fiscal level and on a logical level when franklin delano roosevelt established 65 as the

00:21:11.280 retirement age the average life expectancy in the united states was 63 years old today the average

00:21:17.040 life expectancy in the united states is close to 80. so that blew up the internet it was really kind of

00:21:25.200 something i mean i think people were sharing that video it had tens of millions of views uh conservatives

00:21:30.160 were the ones that were sort of like so i should say right wingers online uh were the ones that were

00:21:34.640 particularly you know outraged and offended by it saying like ben shapiro sort of touched he doesn't

00:21:38.880 understand uh working class people and and how you know hard it is on your body to be like a bricklayer

00:21:44.480 uh or work on a farm and and how you know 65 is is old enough uh obviously ben shapiro is thinking

00:21:49.840 more of like people who are in his line of work uh people who sit at a desk all day and and there is

00:21:54.880 two totally different realities here uh so i i was i was i was thinking of the canadian example because stephen harper

00:22:00.160 under the conservatives did raise retirement age to 67 and it was promptly moved back to 65 uh when

00:22:06.880 justin trudeau was elected i mean i i wrote about this a long long time ago in my book generation

00:22:12.400 screw that came out over a decade ago now but the idea that you know demographics have shifted rapidly

00:22:18.400 um the idea that you retire at 65 is little antiquated when people are living into their 80s you

00:22:23.360 know what are you supposed to do for that last two decades of your life if you're not working a lot of

00:22:27.360 people didn't save up properly uh to to afford that so interesting debate and also just interesting

00:22:33.120 that it went it went so sideways for ben shapiro and he got slammed so hard for it so harrison what

00:22:38.800 do you make of all this yeah well i think it's exposing one of the new shifts that we're seeing

00:22:44.320 in the right which is this sort of push um especially from younger uh younger conservatives younger people

00:22:50.960 to look at look at the social safety net as a as a core you know needed institution in the united

00:22:57.440 states and in canada and not view it as something that you know traditional conservatives in the past

00:23:02.480 would look at as an issue now in reality i think that without it if if it never came into canada in

00:23:08.320 the first place after the second world war we might be in a better position but we have it now and we have

00:23:12.560 to live with that reality because canadians have been paying into it for many generations with the

00:23:17.120 expectation that they get they get what they pay into it when they're when they retire now the

00:23:21.920 reality is with ben shapiro if you are a lawyer or if you are a you know a banker or you are in media

00:23:28.320 and you sit behind a desk and you're not using your hands all day well yeah i think that's one thing i

00:23:33.360 think you do have you should be able to work up until the point where you literally can't you can't

00:23:39.040 but when you're talking about blue collar work manual labor is it really is it really good for

00:23:44.240 society to have you know people you know breaking their backs when they're you know 65 and older

00:23:50.640 um in in the manual labor industry i think that there's a reality here that ben shapiro doesn't

00:23:54.800 know about which is the the life that a lot of americans and canadians face you know or you should

00:24:00.880 should you be in the oil fields working an oil rig when you're 70. uh it doesn't seem like that's a

00:24:06.560 good idea um and i think that's what we're seeing right and and canis we talked about this earlier that

00:24:11.520 there's starting to be this this look at daily wire as sort of an out of touch uh conservative

00:24:17.120 organization making you know they've been they've become so successful and so big that they're

00:24:21.120 starting to lose touch with their base and i think this is kind of this kind of exposes that a little

00:24:26.320 bit obviously we know that the social safety net debate was a big dividing factor between donald trump

00:24:32.080 and nikki haley um in this presidential primary donald trump is a is a staunch supporter of the social

00:24:38.480 safety net in the retirement age and he's been he had been attacking nikki haley for saying she

00:24:42.800 wanted to raise the retirement age in the united states so it's exposing a new fault line in the

00:24:48.160 conservative dialogue and i think it is exposing a new divide amongst young conservatives and older

00:24:53.040 conservatives yeah and i would even say the difference between the traditional conservatives

00:24:58.240 and sort of the new right the new online right and the mega uh right andrew what do you make of this

00:25:03.360 do you think we should have two retirement ages one for white collar workers and one for blue collar

00:25:07.120 workers well i i one one point i should raise here and i i don't want to you know i don't want to

00:25:11.920 attract my own level of the ben shapiro controversy but a lot of blue collar work exists because uh people

00:25:18.320 with white collars just are too lazy to do something or just don't have the time to do it i mean and i'm

00:25:23.360 guilty of this myself it's like so but i but i'm trying to think of how i would feel if you know some 95

00:25:29.040 year old guy showed up to cut my lawn or something like that and and how a lot of other people would

00:25:34.560 feel so i i do feel there is a there's a societal aspect that is concerning and challenging if the

00:25:40.960 elderly have to work and there's a difference between having to work and wanting to work right

00:25:46.000 because i i do agree that people can have great meaning and purpose from their work and i i'm one

00:25:51.680 i'm an example of that i love it i want to do what i do and until i can't anymore and i and i couldn't

00:25:56.320 see myself not in some form but i also would love to just go down to part-time maybe when i'm you know

00:26:02.800 107 and uh perhaps not do the five shows a week that i do now maybe i could go down to four and a

00:26:08.320 half or something and i do think the blue collar white collar distinction is an important one

00:26:14.000 but where i have kind of changed on this issue is that i do feel that we can people on the right

00:26:21.360 generally make a big point especially people on this call of talking about for women in

00:26:26.080 particular not working being a legitimate life choice and and that you should actually celebrate

00:26:30.960 if you want to take a role as a mother and that's something you choose to do and i think that the if

00:26:36.960 you take that to its logical end there are forms of purpose and meaning that are not built around labor

00:26:44.160 and if someone says you know i actually want to take the last 20 years of my life and spend time with

00:26:49.120 my grandkids and spend time with my friends and volunteer i actually think that's a perfectly

00:26:54.560 legitimate thing so i i don't buy this idea that retirement instantly means you go from doing

00:27:00.960 something to doing nothing i think it's about shifting priorities no i think you're right i think

00:27:06.080 that i think that where ben kind of got into a little bit of trouble here is he didn't properly

00:27:10.240 distinguish between you know personal responsibilities and personal choice right so it's like the problem

00:27:16.160 with social security and the us and and our cpp and oas and gas programs in canada is that they're not

00:27:22.400 properly funded so i don't think like any of the three of us realistically expect that when we retire

00:27:27.840 like when when we hit that stage in our lives whether it's at 65 or 70 or who knows 75 at that

00:27:32.560 point that the government safety net will exist in order to protect us like i i don't think the

00:27:37.920 governments have funded these programs properly and so it is like it's your personal responsibility to

00:27:44.800 save up and make sure that you're personally prepared for retirement and i don't think that most

00:27:48.720 canadians and americans are doing that right now i doubt people in our generation are many of them

00:27:53.520 haven't even been able to afford life uh milestones like buying a house uh let alone you know putting

00:27:59.040 aside 20 of your income every month uh for retirement i i'll just uh share a personal anecdote

00:28:04.880 some of my family and this shows the point about why retirement is bad it's like okay so i have a

00:28:10.800 family member who was a school teacher she loved being a school teacher that was like her whole life

00:28:15.840 basically hit 65 and got forced out like pushed out um so that you know new teaching spots could

00:28:21.280 become available for younger teachers but you know 65 she was still young and vibrant and wanted to do

00:28:26.320 more so what did she do she went back in and became a university professor and started doing consulting

00:28:31.040 so she was collecting her full pension as a teacher and then she was also collecting a full-time

00:28:36.560 salary as a university professor and also consulting with other school districts so she was making

00:28:42.480 all of this money while collecting from you know the the pool of retirement it just to me looking at

00:28:49.520 her situation and i don't begrudge her i think it's great that she was able to make all that money later

00:28:53.920 in life but it's like you know our institutions are going bankrupt and we don't have all this money

00:28:58.960 sitting around and yet here we are shoveling money out the door uh to get people to retire who

00:29:03.600 aren't ready to retire who don't want to retire who will not retire who will just move on to

00:29:07.120 a second or a third career so from a financial perspective i i just don't think that the whole

00:29:11.920 thing is is organized properly and you have another thought oh yeah because the counterpoint

00:29:16.000 to that it's not as much an issue now because like no one wants to be a teacher now but there was a time

00:29:20.800 when like and i think it was around the time that i was either in university or entering university

00:29:25.840 where not that i ever wanted to be a teacher but like everyone's being told don't go to teachers

00:29:30.720 college just don't there are no jobs available you're never going to get hired and one of the

00:29:34.720 problems at the time was that younger newer teachers couldn't even get supply teaching jobs

00:29:40.560 because the supply lists were all dominated by retirees that just didn't want to leave that

00:29:45.360 just wanted to continue doing it and and that's a really tough situation because i i do believe

00:29:49.840 there's kind of a moral responsibility for older generations to look out for the younger generation

00:29:55.840 and and i do believe that you know there there is something problematic to use the the word of the

00:30:00.400 left here when you have a bunch of uh people that are you know 70 75 have a pension and they just want

00:30:06.400 to be you know in the classroom still and uh as a result younger people the next generation can't

00:30:11.680 get experience so i i agree that's an issue i don't see a solution to it i i think that generally

00:30:16.960 speaking we all need to have as a society a bit of a bigger picture discussion about work and the meaning

00:30:22.480 of work and one of the problems now is that young people are are not finding careers a lot of young

00:30:28.560 people are they're finding jobs they're finding five six seven jobs but they're not finding careers

00:30:32.880 and i don't know if that's a matter of the the workforce and its strain or if it's a matter of

00:30:38.880 people that are a bit directionless or a bit of both but i i think that's something that we need to

00:30:43.440 talk about because the idea of deriving that meaning from your work that's going to keep you there

00:30:48.480 and not have you retiring i i don't think for most people is going to be there if you're driving for uber

00:30:53.280 and i should just say i think i think what we should be doing in this country is actually

00:30:57.680 encouraging families to start looking after each other you know eventually if this social safety net

00:31:02.960 isn't going to be able to exist for um you know for even my entire lifetime um then we need to we

00:31:09.280 need to start looking at how other cultures have been able to have been able to you know uh you know

00:31:14.640 look after their look after their families like when when you're when you're taken care of by your

00:31:18.640 older generations as you get older and they get even more older and you know and it's your

00:31:23.440 opportunity to now take care of them like that is that is how you know societies in the past have

00:31:28.480 always worked out that's how our country managed to our people managed to survive before we had our

00:31:33.360 social safety net and i think that it's something we should be encouraging not looking at you not not

00:31:38.000 not trying to promote individualism and this idea that you end up going off to a home you end up

00:31:42.720 getting you end up getting you know a retirement benefit from from the government we need to start

00:31:46.960 moving in a direction i think that recognizes that yeah families do play a role in this and families

00:31:51.600 are important well and your comment on individualism is exactly right i think we that there's a story

00:31:57.040 this week that found that 70 71 of canadians wanted to change their jobs within the calendar year

00:32:02.240 so you know to your point andrew you're not talking about people who have uh satisfied careers

00:32:06.560 you're talking about a job and jordan peterson talks about this a lot that the expectation that we

00:32:10.560 give to young people is that they're going to have a meaningful career most people don't really

00:32:14.160 have a meaningful career most people have a job and the job is there to pay the bills and we know

00:32:18.720 the the ideas that they're waiting for the day uh that they can retire and i think we sell a false

00:32:23.520 bill of goods particularly young women telling them to pursue a career that will be the number one

00:32:27.840 uh source of meaning in your life i went to your point harrison no the number one source of meaning

00:32:32.960 in your life will be you know your experiences and your family and your community and you know the the

00:32:38.480 things that you invest in on a personal level okay let's let's move on to uh this story about the

00:32:44.800 the u.s government looks like looks like they might be banning tick tock um which which is you

00:32:49.440 know if we sort of saw it coming but it surprised me how quickly it's coming so it passed in the

00:32:53.920 house it's over to the senate and if if it passes in the senate uh the uh biden administration

00:32:59.520 could go ahead and implement this uh very soon uh kind of a split again among the right uh where where

00:33:05.920 a lot of right-wingers are saying no this is a huge uh imposition governments can't step

00:33:10.960 in and ban private companies uh other conservatives saying uh look it's pretty clear that tick tock is

00:33:15.760 a chinese uh entity here and they're that this isn't a good thing for our society uh andrew why

00:33:21.920 don't you take it from here as the as the token uh libertarian uh so this is a tough one and i'll i'll

00:33:29.520 both sides it at first and in the process of doing this perhaps i'll find a position to take

00:33:33.920 um so i i think that you know absolutely free market free enterprise not banning apps is the

00:33:39.520 right way to go um however even the most sort of libertarian framework lets countries control their

00:33:46.400 borders uh there are import restrictions you can have free market within the country but have a

00:33:51.680 protectionist approach to what's coming in the internet is the the challenging factor there because

00:33:58.080 you could argue that this is an import restriction in a way is that you know the u.s doesn't want to

00:34:02.160 import tick tock into the united states which isn't you know how we relate to international uh

00:34:08.080 companies online but if you're talking about the technicality of it this is an export from china this

00:34:13.440 company so i think there is an argument to be made if the government thinks that there is a a significant

00:34:19.520 security breach or security threats to people that's coming from this app however and this is where i go

00:34:25.280 to the other side i'm not convinced that this is the right way to do it i think it's taking a sledgehammer

00:34:31.360 to something that like for example no one's talking about wechat wechat when i ran for office

00:34:36.560 in 2018 everyone i talked to said you got to get on wechat because it's where all the chinese canadians

00:34:41.360 talk and uh you go on wechat and and then the people you know it's like anyone involved in politics

00:34:46.880 and anyone you know who's chinese those are the two the two groups that i saw on there and then so

00:34:51.280 i got on it and i kept in touch with people because i had a lot of volunteers from the chinese community

00:34:55.920 and then you afterwards i was reading up about it on man i want to get this thing off my phone

00:35:00.320 because like any other chinese company uh it is essentially not offering any protection at all

00:35:06.960 against state seizure of its information by china now whether they were interested in my you know

00:35:12.000 canvassing schedule i have no idea but they they would have had access to that the chinese government

00:35:17.040 would have so i i think there is an argument to be made but we would have to expand this far

00:35:22.480 beyond tick tock and i i think that the the problem i have here is that uh if we allow

00:35:28.400 and normalize this type of power it's the same type of stuff that gets parlor taken offline that

00:35:35.200 would get uh whatever uh we can't say that we can't say the my pillow guy's name because we get a youtube

00:35:39.680 strike but you know that would get the my pillow guy's social media app off or trump's social media

00:35:44.160 app like like that's the problem is that i i don't want this this precedent to be weaponized when it

00:35:49.840 has nothing to do with china harrison what are your thoughts yeah i i have no time for tick tock

00:35:55.840 or the ccp and think that anything that combines the two i view as as a dangerous as a dangerous app or

00:36:02.480 a dangerous tool i don't want anything to do with it but that being said i think that uh i'm quite

00:36:09.200 skeptical of these of these pieces of legislation like this that are unanimously supported by both the

00:36:15.760 democrats and the republicans in the us that are going to uh significantly impact the social media

00:36:21.520 space i see that as a red flag myself um i i'm i'm curious as to what we don't know about the bill

00:36:28.160 that is in the legislation i think that there's a lot of talk that you're starting to see more about

00:36:32.880 what this really could be motivated about and what this what this is all about because you wonder

00:36:37.840 like it's not it's not as though bite dance the tick tock parent company has all of a sudden just now

00:36:42.960 started to you know engage themselves in the app they've been doing this since the very beginning

00:36:47.280 um and tick tock has is has got itself all the way into the american uh cultural system so why now

00:36:54.960 and and what is really behind this legislation what what is it about this bill that we don't see that i

00:37:00.160 don't know but i'm just very skeptical about this stuff especially when it gets such heavy bipartisan

00:37:05.280 support i'm starting to i'm starting to have see some red flags waving about this but

00:37:09.680 we'll see that being said i i don't care about tick tock or the ccp or bite dance i think i think

00:37:14.480 they should all be banned but i don't know what this is really all about yeah i mean i like the

00:37:19.200 heavy skepticism towards uh you know huge use of state power but at the same time it's like

00:37:24.160 you know tick tock is not a good faith actor it's like tick tock in china is like teaching kids math and

00:37:28.960 tick tock in the united states and canada is like teaching kids how to like mutilate their bodies and

00:37:32.960 transition and and just pushing like the worst kinds of social contagions and you know it's interesting

00:37:38.560 because if you look back at like the history of media companies in the united states like uh

00:37:43.040 rupert murdoch i think they made him become an american citizen he was an australian uh because

00:37:46.880 he wanted to buy a newspaper and even just owning a newspaper is like well you have to be subject to

00:37:51.440 the american jurisdictions and and here we have you know these huge platforms that are they're far more

00:37:57.120 influential than any newspaper has ever been or will ever be and they're allowed to be run by you know

00:38:02.480 some sketchy firm on offshore uh you know on behalf of potentially nefarious adversaries i i don't i don't

00:38:11.200 i don't like that so i'm okay with with it being banned but i i appreciate the libertarian uh streak

00:38:17.120 on on this issue for both of you all right let's uh let's move on to a sort of a lighter funnier topic

00:38:21.760 i i just thought this is hilarious i love the internet and uh the fact checks on x have become delightful

00:38:28.000 the community notes so we had the mayor of new york uh you know i just a bit of background you

00:38:32.880 know there's a huge civil war happening in in haiti haiti is a god-awful country has been for a very

00:38:36.720 very long time and you know obviously our sympathies and and hopes that hopes and prayers that that

00:38:42.880 things turn around and that people are safe and okay over there but the country is is dealing with

00:38:46.720 a civil war and pretty much anarchy gang violence uh run amok the mayor of new york made an interesting

00:38:53.600 statement on social media uh so we can put that up on the screen he says we we call new york city the

00:38:59.200 port of prince of america we feel the pain of our haitian neighbors uh i feel as the situation goes dark

00:39:04.480 uh fellas has anyone ever heard new york city be called the port of prince of america that was like

00:39:09.680 the strangest phenomenon like you're the mayor of the greatest city in the world you know no but they

00:39:14.240 call it that he said himself they call it that so who am i to to point out my ignorance on this

00:39:19.200 as being relevant that i just haven't happened to have heard this widespread nickname i've never

00:39:24.400 i've never heard anything of the kind i i don't know i don't understand where this is coming from

00:39:28.800 i i've never heard a single person ever call it that am i am i alone in that unless they really

00:39:33.600 hate new york and it's like yeah this is like this this city is the worst it's basically port of

00:39:38.160 prince but in the united states i mean i i mean maybe erica doesn't understand what's going on here

00:39:44.160 and thought that oh that sounds great we we actually want to be like haiti we want to be more like

00:39:48.720 like like the haiti city uh it's just absurd but it's kind of it's kind of it is funny at least

00:39:55.200 well right like lawlessness uh okay sorry andrew what were you trying to say i couldn't i couldn't

00:39:59.600 make out what you know eric adams said that we call it that so it people must call it that well so

00:40:06.800 this is the funny part so the community notes jump in and slap this community note on the on the tweet

00:40:13.520 not one person has ever said this before eric adams and so someone did a a google search

00:40:21.200 of you know um new york city being the port of prince of america and then just like removed eric

00:40:26.240 adams as a reference to find out if there's like any history of anyone ever seeing it online and there

00:40:31.040 was nothing so i was like when uh when pot was legalized in canada the new york times canadian

00:40:37.760 correspondent catherine porter had written in an article that people are calling it c-day for

00:40:42.880 cannabis and it was like no one had ever said it outside of that article i i love that there's

00:40:49.680 like google analytics you can actually check you can fact check these things yeah um but just a

00:40:54.160 strange a strange moment uh from the mayor of new york city and then the internet came to the rescue

00:40:58.880 to make it a hilarious story so i appreciated that uh another good news story to end the episode on so

00:41:04.720 you might recall uh earlier this football season andrew i know you're a huge huge sports fan and

00:41:09.200 football fan um so you know you can you can provide some sports insights on this story but

00:41:14.240 uh young young man uh at the kansas city chiefs game uh was wearing a kansas city chiefs sort of

00:41:20.640 outfit uniform here you can you can see he's very festive and he's wearing the native american headdress

00:41:26.000 he's got uh face paint on his face red and black for the team which i'm told is a fairly uh you know

00:41:31.920 popular thing to do uh you know we've always seen people wear face paint at sports games that's just

00:41:36.880 a thing that they do well that's been which is a sports um online publication uh they decided to

00:41:44.240 take a run at this child and here was a headline that they ran saying the nfl needs to speak out

00:41:49.760 against the kansas city chiefs fan in blackface and a native headdress so they pretended that he was in

00:41:55.040 blackface only showing half of his face even though from the full clip we can obviously see that he

00:41:59.360 wasn't in blackface he was just wearing face paint red and black uh the native american headdress it

00:42:03.920 was very clear in those videos that his mom was uploading that he is native american and that he

00:42:08.640 was part of a tribe and the reason that he had that headdress is because of one of his ancestors who

00:42:12.960 was who was the head of the tribe so anyway the the dead spin sports reporting uh took aim at this child

00:42:19.760 a nine-year-old boy tried to write a hit piece on him led to endless harassment uh anyway the story goes

00:42:25.040 on because the family of that boy decided to launch a massive lawsuit against deadspin and we've just

00:42:32.160 learned that deadspin has basically effectively just shut down they've laid off their entire new

00:42:37.440 stuff everyone has been fired uh they were bought up by a european startup and the new european

00:42:42.560 company just basically fired everybody so uh this is what happens to bad journalism uh i i think you

00:42:48.240 know i don't i don't want to celebrate uh people losing their job but at the same time it's like when you

00:42:53.200 run journalism like this it's completely race-based completely designed to demonize and you know

00:42:58.960 destroy the life of a nine-year-old for no reason uh just to stir up controversy to make it seem like

00:43:03.520 all americans are racist or whatever the point of that story was uh bad things will happen so this is

00:43:08.240 a little bit of karmic justice yeah harrison what do you think well first of all i i don't think it's

00:43:13.600 journalism right i think that this is just pure uh pure you know rage whatever you want to call it

00:43:20.080 it hating uh you know trying to feed the machine trying to just manipulate algorithms and get a

00:43:25.600 bunch of clicks like you're revering far away from journalism when we're talking about this story here

00:43:30.240 um but these journalists if we can call them that these bloggers yeah they're bloodthirsty right they

00:43:35.280 see something and they want to basically ruin the life of even a kid enjoying a game and they know for

00:43:41.280 a fact that they're that he's actually not wearing blackface but they don't care they're going for blood

00:43:45.760 they want to ruin his life they want to ruin his his mother's life and the reality is i think you

00:43:50.240 know what goes around comes around this is this is this is karma for you they're going to have to re

00:43:54.880 they're going to have to deal with the consequences of whatever this is because i don't even want to

00:43:58.800 call it journalism andrew what are your thoughts yeah i dig i mean you are right about the goes around

00:44:05.440 comes around aspect i mean if digging into the archives again which i realize i've done now twice in

00:44:10.240 this show there they're five years ago i don't know if you guys remember it there was this uh

00:44:13.680 controversy in iowa where a guy at a sporting event had held up a sign uh asking bush to uh give him

00:44:21.040 money to buy more beer uh bush the beer company not george bush and uh then you know he so it became

00:44:26.480 this viral sensation and then the des moines register in iowa ran this like hit piece on him because he

00:44:31.600 had written something you know rude on twitter when he was a teenager this guy so this feel good viral

00:44:37.200 story ends up becoming it but then people dig into the reporter and find that the reporter who wrote

00:44:42.000 the story had also said naughty things online and then he got fired and it's like no one wins when

00:44:48.240 we do this so in this particular case the uh kid that was guilty of being a sports fan and nothing

00:44:54.400 else comes out on top and the hack reporter has no outlet so again i i don't celebrate people losing

00:45:01.280 their jobs in terms of the shutdown but i think that one individual person who lost their job was

00:45:05.840 probably warranted if nothing else just because they were bad at looking at the left side of someone's

00:45:10.960 face when they want to write a story about what's on their face well it's just like basic journalism

00:45:15.360 and journalistic integrity it's like you know you're writing a story you have a screenshot that

00:45:19.600 shows half of his face you must have watched those videos you must have known as a journalist that he

00:45:24.880 didn't he wasn't wearing blackface he was wearing half half and half and it was like they just didn't

00:45:28.800 care editors didn't care whoever looked over the story whoever signed it like i i think that the fault

00:45:34.160 is is broader than just the one journalist and and i think that obviously it showed the raw that this

00:45:38.960 this entire outlet was just not worth saving because what what they were what they're engaging

00:45:43.760 in was just so you know bottom of the barrel mud throwing that that you know no no one no one deserves

00:45:50.240 a job when when you're running an outlet like that harrison i'll give you the final word on this one

00:45:54.640 yeah well it's all part of the the effort to try to erase these names right from sports teams they

00:46:00.640 want to try to erase the kansas city chiefs like they erased the cleveland indians baseball team

00:46:05.200 like they erased the washington redskins none of these names were racist when they were the names

00:46:10.320 none of them are racist now they're actually celebrating that part of american history and

00:46:14.400 that warrior aspect of the people but of course this is all an effort to try and make the kansas

00:46:19.600 city chiefs and their fans look racist including a kid uh you know they won't stop until they eventually

00:46:26.400 succeed and what and what their plan is which to erase these important cultural uh symbols of the united

00:46:32.080 states and no matter what we say about it these football teams are cultural symbols of the u.s

00:46:38.080 and so is the can so are the kansas city chiefs so that's what they're going for they want to try

00:46:41.760 and you know they have them in their targets uh they're going to try to take them out and they're

00:46:46.560 not going to stop this is just i don't think the reality is i don't think anyone is going to learn

00:46:50.320 from this right there's going to be some dead spin you know knock off blog then the next person is

00:46:55.600 going to write a similar article next year and the same cycle is going to keep happening because they

00:47:00.000 don't actually they can't see what's going on they're they're solely focused on trying to take

00:47:04.240 out these teams trying to paint half the country as racist and this is the this is the uh these are

00:47:08.880 the consequences yeah it's like the epitome of the two things that uh the left hates the most right it's

00:47:13.280 like masculinity and and the celebration of masculine strength uh and then second patriotism and and and

00:47:19.760 the celebration of community and and america so i think you're totally right with that one harrison

00:47:25.200 all right everybody let's uh call it a day let's have a great weekend everybody thank you so much for

00:47:29.360 tuning in to off the record i don't remember everything you just heard was in fact off the

00:47:33.440 record i exhausted all of my sports knowledge in that uh yeah including including calling goals and

00:47:46.160 soccer points which i i was going to make a point about but i didn't want to interrupt the flow of

00:47:50.160 the conversation yeah wait wait goal you can't call goals points no no they're not because there's no

00:47:58.640 they aren't points they're just goals that's just that's just how you get a goal does your score go

00:48:03.280 up by one point but it's one goal it's a point well we'll have to have this conversation we'll have

00:48:10.800 we'll have to have this debate at a later date so you guys can debate about sports i i really wanted

00:48:16.320 to talk about princess kate kate melton and how she disappeared uh but i i didn't i didn't think you

00:48:22.080 fellows would want to talk oh i would have i would have taken that over the uh the sports one no i i'm

00:48:26.000 i'm all in on the princess of wales drama okay what's your what's your what's your take what's

00:48:30.000 your oh no i just i i'm fascinated by but the problem is you can't talk about the story without

00:48:34.080 talking about that like alec i don't think we can use the word uh pegging on our show but like the

00:48:40.000 weird like really kinky affair allegations which i think are relevant to it and now we're getting

00:48:44.400 reported on see i haven't read that deep into the story here so this is like this is everyone's

00:48:49.200 talking about it like you go i go to school kids and like all the moms are like what's happening

00:48:53.360 with kate middleton is she alive she dead vaccine injured like murdered by prince william it's like

00:48:58.640 it's like that part that part i was aware of but not what andrew just said i was not aware

00:49:02.560 yeah so there have been years there have been these affair allegations and they got like and and

00:49:07.520 the british tabloids will just not report on them at all um and and like one of them was that like

00:49:18.640 marchioness of chumlee

00:49:23.360 and now uh this is like the theory is that kate has left william and the palace is in like a free

00:49:31.280 fall over it wait they actually printed those those alligators no the british media didn't

00:49:37.040 but uh spanish media did oh my goodness and now even like uh american outlets are starting to like

00:49:43.760 reference them everyone but britain but it's like when when there was a big like scandal with elton john

00:49:48.720 and his husband everyone but the british media reported on it well i guess we'll have to tune

00:49:54.160 in next week on off the record as the uh the content really gets gets a little strange as long

00:49:59.120 as long as i get to say the marchioness of chumlee on the show i'm happy

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Juno News - March 15, 2024

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