In this episode of The Andrew Lawton Show, host Andrew Lawton talks about the first day of the inaugural conference of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) Forum, hosted by Baroness Stroud and championed by Jordan Peterson.
00:01:00.000welcome to canada's most irreverent talk show this is the andrew lawton show brought to you by true
00:01:20.400north hello everyone and welcome to you all this is canada's most irreverent talk show the andrew
00:01:31.420lawton show here on true north on this monday october 30th but we are going global today i
00:01:38.380am normally coming to you from london today i'm also coming to you from london albeit very much
00:01:44.060a different london a bit more of a vibrant one no offense to my hometown but i'm coming to you
00:01:49.940live from London, England, where I have just had the great privilege of going through the first
00:01:57.000day of the first ever ARC Forum. Now, what is the ARC Forum, you ask? Well, what a wonderful
00:02:03.340question. I banged my microphone. I'm sorry. I'm doing a weird on-the-road setup here. But the
00:02:09.300ARC Forum is the Conference of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship, which is a new organization
00:02:16.980helmed by Baroness Stroud, and more notably championed by Jordan Peterson. I just say that
00:02:24.100because I know he's been a big booster of this idea of a global organization where the big
00:02:29.760thinkers and leaders of the era come together and convene about their ideas for the future.
00:02:35.740Now, hang on, don't tune out just yet. I'm not talking about Davos. I'm not talking about the
00:02:40.440World Economic Forum, although I will talk about some of the contrast between it and ARK in a few
00:02:46.480moments. This is very new, and I had the great privilege of being invited, and I wanted to come
00:02:51.880and check it out. I'm actually at this conference as an attendee, but I'm always kind of like have
00:02:57.180microphone, will travel. So I've been making a point of interviewing a number of the other
00:03:01.440conference goers while I've been here, and I will continue to do so over the course of the week.
00:03:07.360But why I wanted to talk about this is because we've often wondered why groups like World Economic
00:03:13.560Forum and the UN to some extent, although it's a bit different, and other institutions like these
00:03:19.760are so powerful. And oftentimes, it's because they've actually put in the effort to make these
00:03:24.380places the rooms where decisions are made. And that's, I would argue, Canadians and people in
00:03:30.320the Netherlands and the UK and Americans and Australians that ultimately have to deal with
00:03:35.660the consequences of these because the rooms are made, the rooms where decisions are made are
00:03:40.500happening far away from democratic oversight. So it isn't quite like that. So to give you a bit of
00:03:46.180a sense of what the ARC Forum is all about, let's go to its champion, Jordan Peterson.
00:03:53.860Let's also be clear. The future is not just happening. The future is built by us,
00:04:01.960by a powerful community as you here in this room.
00:04:06.180oh we cut off klaus schwab there the uh uh that was the clip though i know that was that didn't
00:04:14.740look like jordan peterson his accent has come along a little bit no no no different conference
00:04:19.840different forum whatsoever uh let's go instead to baroness stroud philippa stroud kicking off
00:04:26.300the inaugural arc forum we believe there is a better story and it is one of optimism that
00:04:33.540sees a future of abundance and opportunity not scarcity and decline so
00:04:38.820ladies and gentlemen as we open this inaugural ARC conference we invite you
00:04:44.760to go on the journey from darkness fragmentation division polarization and
00:04:50.060intolerance to a better story one that is rooted in the infinite value of every
00:04:55.940human being built on the freedoms of freedom of conscience freedom of
00:05:00.340speech freedom of assembly and woven together with kindness faithfulness gentleness and self-control
00:05:08.420by a responsible people and as i'm sure we will hear jordan peterson say shortly welcome aboard
00:05:16.740the ark ah you don't often hear the davos folks talk about individualism and freedom of conscience
00:05:26.100freedom of religion, freedom of speech. Those are concepts that, in fact, are viewed as the
00:05:31.140antithesis of the globalist utopia that is the World Economic Forum. But all of that is to say
00:05:38.500that there is a bit of a different brand of conference taking place here. Now, I know I'm
00:05:43.380coming across as a bit of an evangelist, and part of that is because I think that conservatives have
00:05:48.840needed something like this. And I use the broadest possible interpretation of the word conservative
00:05:55.300here. I'm talking about people who are more social conservative in their orientation, people
00:05:59.660who are libertarians, traditional Tories, people who are also more of the revolutionary populist
00:06:05.980conservative. All of them have had a bit of a role to play here. And I know there was a bit of
00:06:10.660skepticism in the crowd when Kevin McCarthy, who up until like five minutes ago was the U.S. House
00:06:16.180speaker, was one of the speakers at the ARC forum. And people were looking around saying, well,
00:06:20.900is this the conference we signed up for? And to be fair, you also have people like Dave Rubin and
00:06:27.980Ben Shapiro here. You have Jordan Peterson championing it. You have people that are coming
00:06:32.840from all walks of life, 1,500 delegates, 72 different countries, people in media, academia,
00:06:39.780politics, and government. Lesley Lewis is an advisor. And interestingly enough, I suspect
00:06:45.660the left will be a lot less tolerant of Leslie Lewis having a role with ARC than it will of
00:06:51.920Chrystia Freeland having a role with the World Economic Forum. And to all of the critics of
00:06:57.640this, I say absolutely criticize the ideas. This is a forum for ideas. But at the core of it,
00:07:04.000and this is I think the most important part, the ideas seem to be rooted in the value of
00:07:09.120the individual. And this is not a place where decisions are being made by elites that you will
00:07:14.780all have to deal with downstream. And, you know, interestingly, I just about, I don't know, 40
00:07:19.500minutes ago or so, I was speaking with Jordan Peterson very briefly. And I had said, Jordan,
00:07:24.480I'm about to go on air. And he says hello, by the way, he's a big supporter of True North. I said,
00:07:29.260Jordan, I'm about to go on air. What would you tell people is the distinction or the contrast
00:07:35.520between ARC and WEP? And in true Jordan Peterson-like fashion, he gave a very eloquent and
00:07:41.740biblical and historical answer that I can't possibly paraphrase, and the room was far too
00:07:46.800loud for me to record it. But he effectively said, we are wanting to give people freedom
00:07:52.300to rise up themselves, to raise their communities, to elevate themselves, and as a result, elevate
00:07:59.580society. We're not looking to just give people what they want or what we think they want.
00:08:05.080And that was so critical. And look, I've covered the World Economic Forum on two occasions now,
00:08:10.540And both times, the presentations you hear from the speakers are almost all about them building the world they want and you having to make it happen.
00:08:21.780Here, we are being empowered as attendees.
00:08:24.320And I say that because I actually felt, I don't feel empowerment often, but I felt a wee bit of empowerment this morning.
00:08:30.680But we are being empowered to help build the world that we want for ourselves and as a result, lift people up.
00:08:38.660And that is, I think, the biggest distinction between the elites versus the everyman, I would argue generally between the left and the right.
00:08:47.920And that was one of the conversations I was having with people here.
00:08:52.380You may know Ava Blardingerbrook, who has been an absolute firebrand of a commentator from the Netherlands.
00:08:58.740I first met her because she was a regular guest on my old friend Mark Stein's show.
00:09:03.200And I was actually hanging out aboard the Mark Stein cruise with her a few months back.
00:09:07.760And I was chatting with Ava a little bit about this very trend we're seeing right now towards globalism and what an organization like ARC can do to kind of resist that.
00:10:00.120Right. So I think in some to a certain degree, it's a natural thing in the human mind to want to expand power.
00:10:07.460And sadly, I think that there are a lot of people right now who who see opportunities there and who package that really nicely and with good, good sounding intentions.
00:10:17.460But when we look at how that plays out in reality, it can never really be good.
00:10:21.120One of the biggest, and I'd say most disheartening trends is that people who are elected as anti-globalists or as nationalists oftentimes end up disappointing.
00:10:30.840I mean, you have a number of conservative governments in the UK, in the Netherlands, Italy has been a particular letdown, I know for you personally.
00:10:39.040How do we fight that? Because if you can't even really elect someone in a country that's going to fight against it, we truly are powerless.
00:10:48.020Yeah, I've been somewhat, to throw in a nice internet term there,
00:10:51.500somewhat blackpilled on the political system in general.
00:10:53.860I mean, yes, Maloney, for example, being a recent case of someone who I've heard personally go on stage
00:11:01.920and talk about the danger of globalism and really vehemently attack the globalists.
00:11:07.500And now she's in power, and the one thing that she promised, which was a naval blockade, she didn't do.
00:11:12.200and Lampedusa is being swarmed with migrants at a record number last month.
00:11:18.380So it's like, I think probably not putting too much solace and or hope
00:11:23.940in people who have personal interests within the political realm is a good idea
00:11:29.560because somebody who will, like I said, if you get in power, you probably want to keep it.
00:11:35.400And catering to the globalists is a way to keep it right now, sadly.
00:11:39.620So maybe the resistance has to be outside of the system rather than in it.
00:11:45.320There's a World Economic Forum class, obviously, people that go to the same parties.
00:11:51.260They all take inspiration from each other.
00:11:53.240Here we're at a forum that on paper is arguably similar.
00:11:57.740It's a global collection of leaders in various fields, but it's very different.
00:12:02.320And I'm wondering if you could explain a little bit about why that is,
00:12:04.760and I guess more importantly, why you're here.
00:12:07.260Right. Well, so I'm here, obviously, when Jordan Peterson announced that he was starting a counter movement, basically, to the World Economic Forum,
00:12:15.440it immediately sparked my interest because although I'm not a fan necessarily of centralized organizations, the essence of this is not that.
00:12:24.600It's actually to bring together people who look at power in a more decentralized, more nationalist way, bring them together to fight, again, a global agenda.
00:12:33.880right so it's it's in essence the opposite idea of the world economic forum even though we do have
00:12:39.700to conspire together you know in order to exchange ideas and uh and i really like that for because of
00:12:48.060the fact that it's it's active you know we're doing something and there's a lot of talk on the
00:12:52.120conservative side but this is something where people can actually join and and and exchange
00:12:57.220ideas and take action and hopefully spread the word beyond social media. So I really like it
00:13:04.000for that reason. The focus obviously on responsible citizenship is a very different idea than what
00:13:12.440the World Economic Forum predicates. For them, all of the political ideology that they're based on,
00:18:27.320is that you have a lot of stakeholders in it.
00:18:29.520you've got, you know, big money people, you've got activists, you've got conservative politicians
00:18:33.860from countries that have very different political traditions. Like you take a UK Tory MP and put
00:18:39.900them next to a Republican from the United States. And a lot of them are probably going to feel like
00:18:44.880they are on different sides of the aisle. So the bigger it becomes, the more different things you
00:18:50.580have to accommodate. And the problem with that is that you can oftentimes move towards banality at
00:18:56.900best because you're trying not to alienate anyone, or at worst, you move in another direction
00:19:03.060politically entirely. And it was interesting because I was thinking about this this morning,
00:19:08.040and there's a gentleman by the name of John O'Sullivan, who's a former advisor to Margaret
00:19:13.280Thatcher and the author of a number of tremendous books, my favorite of which is The President,
00:19:18.040The Pope, and The Prime Minister. And John O'Sullivan coined this phrase that I've used on
00:19:23.280the show in the past called O'Sullivan's First Law. And O'Sullivan's First Law, I'm paraphrasing
00:19:29.860here, is that any organization that's not explicitly right-wing will over time become
00:19:35.940explicitly left-wing. And the thrust behind that is that the cultural forces trend leftward,
00:19:41.700so unless you're really, really holding on tight and anchoring yourself, you're going to move left
00:19:47.080with the culture. And I was thinking about that in the context of the World Economic Forum,
00:19:51.820and that was an organization that I don't think was ever explicitly right-wing and then I put it
00:19:57.200into the context of ARC and say okay this is a more conservative oriented organization will it
00:20:03.640as it grows naturally drift left what would O'Sullivan's first law say about this and as I was
00:20:09.880thinking about this internally I look up and there's John O'Sullivan who is like grabbing a
00:20:15.120coffee at the cafe there so I went up and chatted with John and decided we would just do this on
00:20:20.460camera instead. So this was my chat with John O'Sullivan about whether an organization like
00:20:26.080this can keep its footing and avoid being like the rest of these globalist Disneyland's.
00:20:32.360What advice would you give to an organization like this that's established that has
00:20:36.860a number of competing interests, people from different geographic backgrounds and also
00:20:40.980different industrial backgrounds? Well, I would simply warn them, of course,
00:20:46.380that there are people in any organization who have other aims than those of the organization itself.
00:20:56.880So there'll be some people who simply want to become famous, rise in the world, get a good title,
00:21:03.560and they generally will side against the highly principled people because they won't want to take risks,
00:21:10.440So you watch out for them. And I think you will find people who interpret the mission of the organization genuinely interpret it differently.
00:21:20.440And again, you have to argue with them and maybe when you argue with them, it leads inevitably to some kind of a split.
00:21:30.440So the main point is to keep the initial aims of the organization clearly in the mind of everybody
00:21:38.440and of defending those aims clearly whenever the opportunity or the necessity arises.
00:21:44.680To go back to your time working with Baroness Thatcher in that era of conservatism,
00:21:50.560how relevant is that brand of politics today still to the challenges we face?
00:21:58.100Well, politics changes, but it never changes completely.
00:22:02.020So obviously there are periods when a party feels it's doing well, it has support, it can push its ideas clearly,
00:22:13.020and other times when it feels that somehow or other the mandate of heaven has been removed from it.
00:22:23.020it and it's that's the most important moment really because um anybody who wants to make an
00:22:31.340advance in politics quickly thinks that they can do so by becoming a major figure in an organization
00:22:38.140that is on rock bottom and they're generally right and that's they're often right about that maybe
00:22:44.380mainly but you must distinguish those who think that they will do well by tacking to the wind
00:22:51.100by simply adopting what seems the popular view outside, in our context here, moving to the left.
00:22:59.960They will generally find that that is not the case.
00:23:03.420A party, when it's down and out, looks for sustenance in its basic principles.
00:23:10.480And I think somebody who steps forward, as Disraeli did after the destruction of the Conservative Party
00:23:16.680in the middle of Victorian England who stepped forward to it
00:23:21.660and he more or less said, you may not like me, but you need me.
00:23:26.940I am someone who can take this party from the scrappy
00:23:30.280and make it the governing party of Great Britain.
00:24:11.720fortiter in re, suaviter in modo. On the principles, you're firm on how to get
00:24:19.520there, well that's different. You can tack to the wind, you can agree with the
00:24:26.760middle ground on some issues, you can do those kind of things. But unless you have
00:24:32.480a clear aim and unless you have strong principles, then you can't expect a
00:24:40.280political party to rally to in the long run. They must be the principles of that party.
00:24:46.440But my best example of the kind of leadership I admire is Margaret Thatcher. With this example,
00:24:54.920when there was a challenge to her government from the miners in 1981, some of her ministers
00:25:01.400want to fight it. She did not. And the reason was she knew she couldn't win that contest at that
00:25:07.960time so she basically gave way made a deal that the miners wanted she immediately called in senior
00:25:16.680ministers like Nigel Lawson and said this problem is not going away we'll come back and so we must
00:25:23.960now prepare to fight the miners when they challenge the government and that's what she did not only
00:25:30.120she do it but she did it brilliantly so that they she inflicted on the miners in 1985 the biggest
00:25:38.200defeat that uh a trade union suffered for about 50 years we have more interviews coming up in
00:25:48.760the days ahead just ones that are in the bank that i don't even have time to play right now
00:25:53.080include my chat with andy nugo i always get a name wrong i never know if you do like the n
00:25:57.960and the G or just the G or just the N. So Andy, NGO. No, no, that's like a non-government. We're
00:26:03.340not doing the non-governmental organization thing. So never mind that. But we have a chat with him
00:26:08.520that we'll share with you, I think, tomorrow about the far left finding a very unlikely friend in
00:26:15.840Hamas. Also a chat with Dennis Prager about Israel. We've got an Australian senator on
00:26:21.440this Indigenous referendum they had where the left and the wokest just got absolutely trounced
00:26:29.120by ordinary Australians in the polls and lots of other things. And I do want to preface all of that
00:26:37.060by saying that some of the coverage over the course of the week will be about this forum
00:26:41.600itself, which is new. And I think there are still some questions about what it's going to look like.
00:26:45.560And others will just be conversations I've had about random things with people I saw there
00:26:50.280that were interesting and I thought would be of note to you.
00:26:53.840So that's what you can get from me in the next couple of days.
00:26:57.780But it's partially going to be business as usual on the show.
00:27:00.100We'll get to our friend Chris Sims in just a couple of moments.
00:27:03.200But first, I always try to be responsive to the reader criticisms,
00:27:08.460which I am very proud to say are not too, too common.
00:27:11.860But every now and then we get like a really hardened reader criticism.
00:27:15.640Now, I shared on Twitter last week a meme that I just came up with when I was bored once and distracting myself from writing the book that I'm working on right now, inspired by Pierre Polyev and the new symbol of resistance, the humble apple.
00:27:32.220Now, this was the meme that I shared, which is Pierre Polyev looking very svelte and smiling, swinging on an apple.
00:27:41.200Now, if you wonder what that is, you are not, in fact, having an acid drip right now.
00:28:20.000I saw it and I'm like, oh, well, you know, Pierre Polyev and the Apple are just like the wrecking ball of Canadian politics right now.
00:28:27.920There was really not a huge amount of depth.
00:28:29.820Anyway, so my colleague Noah had was checking the True North general inbox and had this email from a listener slash viewer. Hi, team. I'm just taking the time to let you know that I'm not pleased with Andrew Lawton on X. That's what Twitter used to be or is called now tweeting out the photo of Pierre Polyev sitting on the Apple in a provocative pose. Really, Andrew?
00:28:56.640I have so much respect for you and True North, and I was so disappointed.
00:34:58.260premier it's my job to ensure saskatchewan residents are treated fairly and equally with
00:35:03.620our fellow canadians in other parts of the country and that's what i am doing today
00:35:10.020shots fired let's talk about this with our regular monday correspondent chris simms who is the
00:35:16.660alberta director with the canadian taxpayers federation uh chris that must have been music
00:35:21.460to your ears yeah it was really awesome i'm just going to adjust my shot so i'm not literally
00:35:26.260standing in front of a garbage can for you. So, all right. So there are better metaphors for
00:35:30.540Canadian politics. Actually, no, wait, there aren't. So I'm here actually at the Edmonton
00:35:35.280legislature, uh, because of course it's the throne speech. So it's everybody's, uh, first day back at
00:35:40.440school, so to speak, uh, here in Alberta. So, wow. Hearing that from Premier Mo, can he do it?
00:35:49.340We don't know. We'll put it this way. Mo's heart is definitely in the right place. And Trudeau
00:35:55.780here is definitely in the wrong and boy oh boy I thought we'd already seen enough of it last week
00:36:02.740Andrew when they said oh we're gonna do a carve out we're gonna do a suspension but just for
00:36:08.060furnace oil who uses furnace oil almost you know exclusively folks in Atlantic Canada so they
00:36:14.640really stepped in it there and then the liberal minister is like no wait there's more but if you
00:36:21.400voted Liberal, we'd be nicer to you. Like, this is a dumpster fire for this government.
00:36:27.380Yeah, I mean, there's so much to unpack there. Because if anyone followed along with the carbon
00:36:33.340tax Supreme Court case, and the cases before the Court of Appeal for Alberta and Ontario, etc.
00:36:38.940The government's whole argument was that no, no, no, climate change is national. Greenhouse gas
00:36:43.260emissions are national. We can't let provinces come up with their own local approach to this.
00:36:47.920We can't regionalize or provincialize this.
00:36:51.120And here's the federal government doing that, saying, well, we're going to treat this differently in Atlantic Canada than we are elsewhere, which undermines the government's whole approach, which is why I think Scott Smough may actually have at least a moral leg to stand on, a legal one we don't know yet.
00:37:06.860Premier Danielle Smith, I haven't seen the clip, but I understand earlier she's talked about reevaluating the Supreme Court case as well and in light of this.
00:37:14.680So it does sound like the government here has really stepped in it.
00:37:18.760I mean, not even politically, possibly legally.
00:37:57.280And she was very careful today when she answered her question.
00:38:00.820She said, I wouldn't want to advise a private company to maybe go against the law.
00:38:05.360But she's looking at this really hard.
00:38:07.680What's great about this, Andrew, is like you just said,
00:38:10.380all of a sudden the prime minister has to now admit that this isn't so much about the science
00:38:16.480is it it's about political science yeah and i think that's the other thing that they've undermined
00:38:23.160here not just that this has to be the same nationally there has to be a one-size-fits-all
00:38:27.180solution but the government's other argument was that this is so important we can't offer anyone a
00:38:33.240reprieve even on a temporary basis because you at the canadian taxpayers federation have been
00:38:38.220calling on the government the conservatives have been calling on the government to offer a bit of
00:38:42.300a break with the cost of living crisis let's just pull back on the carbon tax let's let's just stop
00:38:47.580the hikes of the carbon tax and the government has said no and their argument has been no no no
00:38:51.860climate change is so important we we can't do this this isn't about now it's about 10 years from now
00:38:57.04020 years from now and it is about right now if you're in atlantic canada and voted liberal yes
00:39:02.980Yes, exactly. And so we've been in the game for a long time. This is so obvious. It's really obvious. The fact that they singled out just furnace oil. Okay, so around three or four percent of Canadian households use furnace oil or heating oil for their homes. Of that three or four percent, the vast majority of those homes are in Nova Scotia.
00:39:27.600Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and Labrador, a little bit in New Brunswick, but not quite as much.
00:39:32.980Yes, there are some isolated folks up in the north of Ontario and up north, maybe across the west, a little tiny bit, but not usually.
00:39:40.880Usually it's furnace oil for the Maritimes in Atlantic Canada and natural gas for those of us here across the west and mostly in Ontario as well.
00:39:49.140What's getting me here too, Andrew, is that there's a whole lot of seats around the 905 and around your area there of Ontario.
00:40:51.520This announcement came out in Atlantic Canada. Now, I don't think Atlantic voters are so stupid
00:40:56.700as to be hoodwinked by a very temporary promise. I mean, by a government, it's basically the can
00:41:02.600you stop hitting me thing. And then a person stops hitting you and you don't just thank them,
00:41:07.180you know, in the grand scheme of things, you're like, okay, well, thank you for stopping. But
00:41:11.060I'm not going to forget that you were the guy doing that in the first place. And that's really
00:41:15.040what's happening here. And I mean, look, I'm not telling anyone how to vote. But I do think for
00:41:19.780Atlantic Canadians, they're probably not going to forget that this reprieve was not really offered
00:41:25.260to them till now. And all of these increases, the addition of the carbon tax was entirely the doing
00:41:30.180of the feds in the first place. Yes, exactly. I think most folks in that area will remember that
00:41:35.760only when all of those fat and safe seats in Atlantic Canada were suddenly tanking in the
00:41:42.300polls, all of a sudden the politicians got really into listening to people. It was just miraculous.
00:41:48.320See, this is what we try to say at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. If you want to make change
00:41:52.800happen, go right after your member of parliament and say so. And if they don't listen to you,
00:41:59.080that's when you say, you know what, next time, the next election, I'm going to get a group of
00:42:03.56010 friends together and I'm going to door knock against you in your riding on this issue. You get
00:42:09.180their attention real fast. Why? Because it's their butts on the line this time. So that cabinet
00:42:14.640minister who said, oh, well, maybe you should elect more liberals and we'll actually listen to
00:42:18.500you on something as unaffordable and unfair as the carbon tax. Whoa. All of a sudden, her salary of
00:42:24.620200 something thousand dollars with all expenses paid for travel and food and home heating, by the
00:42:30.120way, that's suddenly in peril. And that gets their attention real fast. So this is really clear. What
00:42:37.500we're happy about is now, finally, finally, at the federal level, the crack is there, the crack is
00:42:44.540breaking, and they're realizing that the carbon tax is unaffordable, and it doesn't fix the
00:42:49.400environmental issues. Yeah, and I always like doing the flip on political stories and say,
00:42:55.520you know, what would I think if this were reversed? What would the critics think? And
00:42:58.420I was kind of imagining this fantasy scenario of some Quebecer in, you know, 2013 makes a comment about the federal government and Stephen Harper just glibly says, well, if you want to be heard, you got to elect conservatives like there would be outrage on that.
00:43:12.020I mean, now that I say it, I'm like, I would kind of be amused in that context. But that doesn't mean it's the responsible thing to do when people are hurting. And that's really what the government is saying here. And like, again, if Pierre Polyev said that to some suburban Toronto voter, well, if you want anything, you should have voted for me.
00:43:28.140like that. That's not prime ministerial. No. And in fact, one of the first things,
00:43:33.580whenever there's somebody elected, okay, a premier, a prime minister, it doesn't matter
00:43:38.620what party. If you've been watching this game long enough, you know this. One of the first
00:43:42.480things out of their mouth is they say, while I was elected by this percentage of Albertans or
00:43:48.000Canadians, I will be the premier. I will be the prime minister for all of you. That flies in the
00:43:55.460base of what that cabinet minister just said. Like that was a huge misstep. But what's good
00:44:02.340about this misstep, and everybody's human, so they screwed up. Yep. What's good about this
00:44:06.540misstep is now this message of the carbon tax is unaffordable and it doesn't fix emissions issues
00:44:13.220anyway. So why are we paying for it? Why are we punishing Canadians for staying warm in winter
00:44:19.360in Canada. It is not right. Scrap it for everyone everywhere across Canada. That's becoming the
00:44:25.960dominant message now even in Ottawa, which is excellent. It's a long time coming, but it needs
00:44:31.720to happen. Well, we'll see if this starts a bit of a ripple effect across the country here,
00:44:37.480the Prairie Rebellion, I guess we can call it. Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
00:44:43.240joining us live from the Alberta Legislature in Edmonton. Always a pleasure, Chris. We will chat
00:44:48.180with you next Monday. You betcha. All right. And that does it for me for today. It's like
00:44:53.5609.45 at night and I haven't slept in, I don't know, like three days. So I'm going to try to
00:44:59.800get some rest and hit the ground running tomorrow at the ARC Forum here in London, United Kingdom,
00:45:05.600and we'll have more coverage from the ground. And I'll try to be a bit better at tweeting. I wasn't
00:45:09.920tweeting a huge amount today just because I was getting my sea legs and I could not find anywhere