Juno News - March 03, 2023


The CBC buries coverage on interference


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Sue Ann Levy joins us to talk about China's interference in Canada's election, TikTok's ban on Canadian citizens' access to the internet, and whether or not the government is as dumb as they think they are.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome everyone to another exciting edition, or at least I hope it lives up to the standard
00:00:14.640 of excitement we all strive for. We've got Sue Ann Levy on, so I don't think that will be an
00:00:19.120 issue. It is Fake News Friday, March 3rd, 2023. I am Andrew Lawton and as mentioned just a moment
00:00:26.440 ago, joined as always by a trusty, loyal, hilarious co-host. We switched between Harrison and Sue Ann.
00:00:34.720 We're going to have them battle it out in a cage match to see who gets to be the permanent co-host 1.00
00:00:38.960 at some point, but Sue Ann, always a delight to have you here. Thanks for doing this. Thank you,
00:00:43.640 and I want to know in honor of Fake News Friday that I do not have fake breasts like the Halton 1.00
00:00:49.680 shop teacher. Mine are real. I have to be very careful of how I respond to that in this climate. 0.77
00:00:58.640 I won't ask you to prove it or anything like that. I would never be so gauche. We will take you at face
00:01:03.440 value as your self-identification indicates there, and it is a show debunking fake news, so I know you
00:01:09.180 wouldn't be a purveyor of fake news yourself. This is the time in the week where we navigate through
00:01:15.660 the tornadoes of trickery, the hurricanes of hoaxes, and make sense of it as only we can,
00:01:21.640 and perhaps have a couple of laughs along the way. The serious story this week, Sue Ann, has obviously
00:01:27.320 been the unraveling and expanding scope of China's interference in Canada's elections, but when
00:01:34.300 there's a story that puts the Liberal government on the hot seat, fake news is never far behind.
00:01:40.420 CBC at one point this week had all of its homepage about the federal government banning TikTok, not
00:01:48.100 about China interfering in Canadian elections, not about China donating to the Trudeau Foundation, but
00:01:54.520 their emphasis was on TikTok. Do you think this is just an accidental misarrangement on the homepage
00:02:00.920 or something deeper? Oh, come on. Of course, it's quite calculated, actually, I think, because, you know,
00:02:09.040 it's like deferring one's attention to the shiny object. And TikTok's to blame, not the Trudeau
00:02:17.820 government, of course, who's bailed out the legacy media. So, you know, if you can find, I guess,
00:02:25.400 a scapegoat, TikTok becomes the scapegoat. And it's just so funny the way they react, don't you think?
00:02:34.160 Yeah, it is. And I mean, even the federal government banning TikTok, which people have called for for many
00:02:41.680 months now, I think probably over a year. And they're doing it just now when they happen to be
00:02:46.980 in the midst of a firestorm about China. So it really is the epitome of this big giant thing that
00:02:52.860 everyone's going on. And let's just throw a couple of, you know, breadcrumbs your way without dealing
00:02:57.840 with the overarching problem here. And when the media then focuses on this as being a big deal,
00:03:03.060 it is the media really falling for the liberal government's distraction.
00:03:07.700 Yeah, they're so easily manipulated. It should be they should be embarrassed by it. But I have a
00:03:13.160 question for you. There's a certain global reporter who's known to be a TikTok star. Does that mean she's
00:03:18.520 been banned as well? Well, no one can read her on a review her on a federal government device. 0.92
00:03:25.400 So this may actually increase the caliber of parliamentarians work if they aren't getting 0.95
00:03:31.720 their insights from TikTok in general, you never know. Yeah, or some TikTok stars who pretend to be
00:03:37.800 journalists. Now, now, you know what, there's a time and a place for that sort of stuff. And I think
00:03:43.680 it's great if you're talking about, you know, little primers on news, little commentary, but I have yet to
00:03:49.740 see hard hitting journalism take form on TikTok. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I've never seen it.
00:03:54.660 Yeah. And I think TikTok wasn't ever meant to be a hard hitting journalism platform. It was meant to
00:04:02.920 be, you know, a platform that you had fun with. You know, we've got enough quite enough with Twitter
00:04:10.220 and Facebook video, and we've got so many social media platforms. But I thought TikTok was always
00:04:16.600 just a fun thing that you, you know, you did dog tricks on. Yeah. And if you looked at CBC on March
00:04:26.640 1st, this was the day that all of this was going on. So two days ago, here were the stories, and I'm
00:04:32.800 just going to rapid fire them. What does TikTok know about you? What should you know about it?
00:04:38.180 TikTok sets new default time limits for minors. Jagmeet Singh will deactivate TikTok account in response
00:04:44.340 to security privacy concerns. I noticed they didn't do a story about Melissa Lansman, the deputy
00:04:50.020 conservative leader, deactivating hers overnight. Canada is jumping on a bandwagon with TikTok ban.
00:04:56.140 Tech expert says federal government banning social media platform TikTok from government phones.
00:05:01.520 Is TikTok bad? Here's why many Western countries are taking a closer look. Attempted interference in
00:05:07.440 2021 election did not compromise the result report. So you scroll way, way, way, way down,
00:05:13.600 you get past the eight stories about TikTok, and then you find the first story about China's
00:05:18.260 interference is actually that, well, there really wasn't any interference. It does seem like CBC is
00:05:23.220 doing a bit of pass blocking here for the Liberals. Well, why are the Liberals banning TikTok then?
00:05:29.460 What is this big exercise all about? But, you know, you've seen it repeatedly, that they will, you know,
00:05:38.840 deflect and reinvent stories, reinvent the narrative, push people to the shiny object that has very little
00:05:47.160 to do with the subject at hand. And I mean, this is a huge story, China's interference in the election.
00:05:55.120 But they continually give Justin Trudeau a free pass on every little thing. So why should this be a
00:06:04.820 surprise to any of us? Yeah, fair enough. And, you know, CBC for this show anyway, tends to be the
00:06:11.840 gift that keeps on giving. This one was fascinating. Many of you who are active on social media and you
00:06:18.780 follow footage of the convoy and other big events in the Canadian political sphere, you may know
00:06:24.460 Mocha Bezergin. And I apologize to Mocha for likely butchering his last name, but Mocha used to be at
00:06:31.540 Rebel News. Now he works independently. He's a great photographer and videographer. He's everywhere
00:06:37.120 and including Roxham Road, where he's done tremendous footage. So at some point he went to Roxham Road and
00:06:44.620 was filming and a Canadian press photographer got a picture of him walking around. Now, CBC then
00:06:54.020 shows this story in an article about Roxham Road. The headline of the article,
00:07:00.300 Man Dies After Encountering Patrol Agents at Canada-US Border. And there's a picture of our friend
00:07:06.680 Mocha next to a big sign that says, Arrete, stop. Now, Mocha is not actually dead. And if you look at the
00:07:15.500 caption of the photo, it gets even more concerning because they offer a biographical description of him
00:07:22.560 as being a migrant waiting for transport. So they've not only killed off Mocha, but they've also taken away 0.93
00:07:30.540 his Canadian citizenship of 21 years and made him an illegal. And, you know, again, is it sinister? No.
00:07:37.700 It sure as heck is lazy, though. Lazy reporting. And, you know, the whole issue with Roxham Road,
00:07:45.480 which I covered while I was at the Toronto Sun before I came to True North, has been a huge
00:07:51.300 issue that has filtered into our cities. It's impacted on the city of Toronto, where I make my home.
00:07:59.400 Refugees are filling up shelters. Nobody or hardly anybody in the legacy media covers this sort of
00:08:06.640 stuff. But they get into these sideshows that are absolutely ridiculous. It's rather frustrating to 0.87
00:08:12.540 see this kind of lazy, inaccurate reporting, when in fact, Roxham Road should be dissected
00:08:21.040 as to the impact on Canada's cities. As I said, in particular, Toronto, I think what's happened is
00:08:29.560 Quebec has diverted a lot of the refugees who are crossing the border illegally and being allowed
00:08:35.320 to cross the border illegally, I don't understand it at all, now to Ontario. And it's Ontario's problem
00:08:41.800 now. Yeah. And I mean, obviously, this nonsense about the photo is a bit of a sidebar to the
00:08:47.900 overarching issue. And the media, I think, has done a tremendous disservice by buying into the
00:08:53.320 government's language of this being irregular migration instead of illegal migration. They
00:08:58.640 refuse to call illegal immigration, illegal immigration, which is part of the problem here,
00:09:03.460 because this is about narratives. And you've got the federal government saying on one hand, you know,
00:09:07.860 oh, yes, we're taking this seriously, but it's complicated. And yeah, it's not just as easy as going
00:09:12.400 there and turning people away. But that's exactly what they did during COVID, at least in the earlier part of
00:09:17.260 the pandemic. And now they've just gone back to this being an open, I don't even think a revolving
00:09:21.840 door because no one's going the other way. It's just a one way red carpet. Exactly. You hit the nail
00:09:27.580 on the head. They were able to stem the tide of illegal immigrants. And I will say illegal, I'll call 1.00
00:09:32.700 it what it is. During COVID, they put a stop to it. And now it started up again. And now these people
00:09:39.360 are crossing the border quite freely. And believe me, they have heard because, as I said, I followed it
00:09:44.560 quite closely in Toronto. They hear in, you know, countries like Nigeria and other countries in Africa,
00:09:54.320 for example, that there is an open border. So they come to the States. I mean, I did stories about them
00:10:01.000 taking a bus to within, you know, a mile of the border and then walking over with their designer
00:10:06.880 suitcases.
00:10:07.640 Well, there's, there's one, there's been a couple of photos, but one in particular that stands out in
00:10:13.300 my mind, which if we can get the rights to it, we'll put it up in the show here, but you can find
00:10:17.260 it online yourself. It's a police officer actually carrying someone's bag for them as they cross
00:10:23.400 illegally into Canada. They're greeted by a Mountie who becomes Canada's official baggage porter.
00:10:28.960 And see, you can't, you know, our, our country has become absolutely absurd. And yes, I, I actually
00:10:38.260 saw plenty of, hang on. I don't want to interrupt Sue Ann, but I've just got the line, the Mounties,
00:10:42.740 we always get your handbag.
00:10:44.380 We always get your handbag and your luggage, your designer luggage. So I've also seen pictures of
00:10:49.700 them just walking in there, you know, their late model running shoes, the, you know, the Nikes and
00:10:56.460 stuff with the, um, the hard, uh, luggage and wheeling it across. And, you know, I'd laugh, I'd,
00:11:06.520 I'd laugh if I didn't want to cry about it.
00:11:08.920 Yeah. It's, you know, the old, it's the true, you know, refugee story of, I showed up with only the 1.00
00:11:14.120 clothes on my back and a Louis Vuitton suitcase and, uh, the latest designer treads as I sought asylum
00:11:19.980 in Canada from the United States. And, you know, uh, think about the impact that has on the cities,
00:11:29.220 various cities, uh, social services system. They have shelter, they have to have, uh, they have,
00:11:36.740 you know, uh, resources, other resources, they get free, uh, healthcare. And, um, you know,
00:11:45.240 they say it's, it's a crazy, crazy thing. And it's, uh, they, I dare say are taking total
00:11:53.620 advantage because they know that Canada's open borders are, you know, there. And I think it
00:12:00.940 initially started really, Andrew, a couple of years ago when, uh, Trudeau and our late great mayor in
00:12:08.660 Toronto, John Tory, wanted to get back at Donald Trump, wanted to show that they weren't like Donald
00:12:13.040 Trump, you know, when he clamped down on illegal migrants. And so of course that opened the flood
00:12:18.860 gates and here we are. Yeah. And you get all of that. I know we're getting a little off topic here,
00:12:23.520 but I know you've seen this, uh, oftentimes you get all these cities and States in the United States
00:12:28.760 that claim they want to be sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. And they all happen to be conspicuously 1.00
00:12:33.860 miles and miles and miles away from the borders where illegal immigrants are going across places like,
00:12:39.240 you know, Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts or Northern California. And then when governors in
00:12:43.960 these border States have called the bluff and just ship migrants up to Martha's Vineyard, they all get 1.00
00:12:48.840 very offended by these illegal migrants just showing up in their towns. Oh my. Yes. Well, it, you know, it did 1.00
00:12:56.020 start a few years ago, also in Toronto where hotels were taken over and the house rest, yeah, for refugees. 0.99
00:13:02.520 So there is a fallout and, you know, nobody thinks about that, but getting back to what we were talking
00:13:08.520 about. So these are the stories that should be told, but they're not being told. Their poor Mocha is
00:13:13.860 declared dead. And, uh, he's also a dead immigrant, illegal or irregular. I guess he could be a regular 1.00
00:13:21.020 or illegal depending on who's talking about it. The moral of the story, Mocha alive and well, and still
00:13:28.300 in good standing unless Justin Trudeau has tried to revoke his citizenship, but I don't think that's
00:13:32.660 happened just yet. Uh, so CBC and CP have gotten it wrong there. Uh, let's talk about this one, which
00:13:39.540 I want to be a bit delicate with, because I think that, uh, what's happened here is Scott Adams, who is
00:13:46.200 the cartoonist behind the long running Dilbert series made some comments that I personally believe
00:13:53.080 are indefensible and, and whatever his intent was, whether he was trying to be edgy, whether he was
00:13:58.280 trying to be sloppy with the point he was making. I don't know, but I look at this and I hear this
00:14:03.220 and I don't like it. You know, nearly half of all blacks, uh, are not okay with white people. 0.98
00:14:08.880 According to this poll, not according to me, according to this poll, uh, that's a hate group. 0.99
00:14:15.640 That's a hate group. And I don't want to have anything to do with them. And I would say, you know,
00:14:21.360 based on the current way things are going, the best advice I would give to white people is to get the 1.00
00:14:27.840 hell away from black people. Just get the fuck away. Wherever you have to go, just get away 1.00
00:14:34.980 because there's no fixing this. This can't be fixed.
00:14:40.440 So he's saying white people should stay away from black people. Don't bother doing anything 0.99
00:14:44.700 because they're going to hate you anyway. It's a generalization. I've seen, you know, Samuel say,
00:14:49.980 who I find to be very reasonable, uh, racial commentator in Canada has said, this is full stop
00:14:56.040 racist. And he doesn't use that word lightly. However, Scott Adams, the guy on the internet
00:15:02.740 is different in my view than Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert in the sense that I believe
00:15:08.600 most artists should probably be viewed separately from their work. But we've now seen in response to
00:15:14.300 this, this wave of cancellation, which has been kind of furthered in Canada as well with the Globe
00:15:19.620 and Mail saying, yeah, they're not going to carry Dilbert anymore. They put a statement out that said
00:15:24.300 they respect and encourage free speech, but his views do not align with our editorial or business
00:15:29.260 values as an organization. What do you make of this Sue Ann? Number one, whatever happened to second 0.99
00:15:34.960 chances? So he, you know, he made a mistake and he could apologize and let's move on. Um, you know,
00:15:42.960 it wasn't a very, it was an indelicate way of saying probably what a lot of people are, are thinking in a
00:15:49.540 different way that, um, you know, black activism has, uh, got in some ways out of control because we
00:15:57.920 have critical race theory being taught where some people are oppressed. The whites, uh, are oppressors,
00:16:04.540 white people are oppressors. There's white supremacy being thrown out there. And I think a lot of people 1.00
00:16:08.880 have gotten frustrated with the landscape that we're in, you know, involved in now. So, you know,
00:16:16.820 I'm sure that, well, I can't get into his head. Let's put it that way. But I would say that it's
00:16:22.940 probably in, in the midst of an environment where people are upset with, you know, this stuff being
00:16:29.480 rammed down their throats. And I think that his, if, if we are to take that interpretation, I think he
00:16:36.560 made a fatal error in not distinguishing black people in general, because he did speak in generalizations
00:16:42.880 from the activists that I think are very concerning. It would be no different than
00:16:47.060 lumping in, you know, people who are gay and lesbian with, you know, the really radical trans 0.87
00:16:52.700 activists that don't support free speech or with lumping in all Muslims with, uh, radical Islamist 0.84
00:16:58.600 Muslims, just to give a few examples here. So I think absolutely people should be able to engage
00:17:03.580 and debate the point. And I get so bothered that the only step people are prepared to take is to go
00:17:10.960 immediately to cancellation. Right. Or to call whomever who makes a comment. And this was a very
00:17:17.540 sloppy comment. Uh, they're racist. They're, uh, you know, Islamophobic, whatever it may be. They throw
00:17:24.420 out all the, the terms that they think will silence people. Um, they're so quick to judge. And this is in a
00:17:31.700 society that we're talking about, supposed to be tolerant, supposed to be, uh, they're supposed to be
00:17:37.120 free speech, but it's only free speech is determined by those, uh, I guess the woke culture or the
00:17:44.800 activists who decide what is permissible and what isn't a simple apology. And let's carry on. And I'm
00:17:53.280 not going to, you know, he has a great cartoon, as you said, and, uh, you know, to, to just cancel him
00:18:00.020 entirely seems like just undue punishment, but, you know, there is a crazy double standard in this
00:18:05.720 world right now. And, uh, you know, you have to be so careful what you say. If an activist comes out,
00:18:12.460 as I've been targeted by many, uh, say trans activists, for example, calling me all kinds of
00:18:18.980 names, saying, making assumptions on very publicly, but that's okay. Uh, because I'm on the wrong side of
00:18:26.360 the equation. So all I'm saying is that, uh, it's, it's a crazy double standard. Uh, those of us like
00:18:33.780 you, like me are not allowed to say certain things without being targeted. Others can get away with
00:18:40.560 it. Very well said, Sue Ann Levy. This is Fake News Friday. I'm Andrew Lawton. We will talk to you
00:18:47.700 all next week here on True North. Thank you so much.
00:18:56.360 Thank you.