Juno News - May 10, 2020


The Charter of Rights and Freedoms — what rights do you have?


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In this episode, we discuss the concept of a constitution, what it means and where our rights come from. We also discuss the history of Canada's constitution and where it is different from the US Constitution, and how it relates to our current political system.

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00:00:00.000 So, in my last video I spoke about the concept of rights. I wanted to keep it more theoretical,
00:00:13.680 and have that discussion really be about the idea, what is right, where do these ideas come from.
00:00:18.880 Now, in the feedback, some of you asked me to talk about the actual constitution of Canada
00:00:23.280 and where our rights here come from, as opposed to more of the philosophical or theoretical idea,
00:00:28.480 which I still want to explore a bit more, but in this video I think we'll tackle some of the more
00:00:32.720 practical things. So, let's start right at the beginning, we're going to jump right in. So,
00:00:37.280 first of all, we have to address what is a constitution, where do our rights come from,
00:00:42.640 you guys have heard words like the charter, I spoke last time about the charter being repatriated,
00:00:47.600 so what does that kind of thing mean, and we'll explore all these ideas, but first, the definitions.
00:00:53.040 So, the definition of a constitution. A lot of people tend to think, I think, about the
00:00:58.320 American constitution. They might understand the charter, or know what the charter is,
00:01:02.800 but not necessarily understand it as sort of a constitution. It's really a part of Canada's
00:01:08.000 constitutional laws, but the constitution itself is an important idea that we need to understand.
00:01:13.840 And so, a constitution, in its most basic sense, is a set of principles or laws. These are sort of the
00:01:20.160 underlying foundational laws that a nation or state would have, and this basically talks about how the
00:01:26.000 state is going to be governed. It can have about the rights or the requirements. It can talk about
00:01:31.120 when the government has to meet. So, for example, how often the parliament or the legislature or the
00:01:36.400 congress, what needs to sit. So, these are the basic laws that a country would have. Now,
00:01:42.000 interestingly enough, you would say, okay, well, you know, I guess every country has a constitution.
00:01:46.560 If you look at, for example, the United Kingdom, so you can see right here, the United Kingdom,
00:01:50.720 because of its age and historical precedents, does not actually have a single document like
00:01:56.160 the Americans. So, the Americans in 1776 declare independence, there's the Declaration of Independence,
00:02:02.080 and then later on, there's the Constitution of the United States and all the amendments,
00:02:05.040 and you guys, I'm sure, are familiar with the First and Second Amendment, at the very least,
00:02:08.960 if not maybe some of the other ones. But the constitution can be a single written document,
00:02:15.360 or it can be a group of documents. And this is actually what Canada had. So,
00:02:20.320 if we go to these guys, these are the founding fathers of the country. At the time when Canada
00:02:26.240 was created as a singular entity made up of the original four provinces, there was an act in the
00:02:32.640 British Parliament known as the British North America Act, the BNA Act. This was in 1867, and
00:02:40.400 this is commonly referred to today as the Constitution Act 1867, but this is really the
00:02:46.480 founding document that says, okay, you guys are going to be a confederation,
00:02:49.840 this is going to be a new commonwealth country that is going to be called Canada. It's made up of
00:02:54.560 these four provinces, the four original provinces. And so, this is sort of the first attempt at a
00:03:01.680 constitution. So, at this point in 1867, we're still not like the Americans with a singular document
00:03:08.800 constitution, because we have what's called British common law, and that's again similar to what's going
00:03:13.200 on actually in the UK, where sets of laws, sets of legal precedent all combine to sort of make up our
00:03:21.120 constitution. Now, this continues all the way until 1931, in which the Statute of Westminster, which is
00:03:29.680 another law that was passed in the UK, that basically said that certain parts of the commonwealth would be
00:03:36.960 given self-rule, they would be given the ability to self-govern, and so this act sort of made up
00:03:45.680 an additional part of Canada's rights. Now, interestingly enough, because we did not have
00:03:51.680 our own constitution, and because we were so tied into Britain, as we still are in many ways today,
00:03:56.720 the Queen is the official head of state, the Governor General as her representative is the official
00:04:01.120 head of state, on paper, as much as the Prime Minister might actually be the de facto head of
00:04:06.400 state, which is the, in reality, head of state. But the way that our constitution was set up, and the
00:04:13.040 way that our laws were set up, the Supreme Court of Canada actually was not even the highest court in the
00:04:20.000 country. The highest court in the country was actually something called the Judicial Committee
00:04:25.760 of the Privy Council, and that's in the UK. So you could appeal your, you could appeal everything
00:04:30.800 all the way to the Supreme Court, but then you didn't like the Supreme Court decision,
00:04:34.000 so you could appeal to what's called the JCPC, the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council,
00:04:39.920 and so that's where the final, final decisions would be made. Now, why is this relevant to the
00:04:45.600 Constitution, or why is this relevant to everything before we even get into the Charter? So first of all,
00:04:50.800 again, the Constitution sets up basic laws. It sets up your rights and freedoms. So prior to 1982,
00:04:57.040 you have your rights contained in a number of different places. You would have the Canadian
00:05:02.720 Bill of Rights 1960, and the Canadian Human Rights Act 1977. But because of the fact that none of these
00:05:10.400 is actually in a constitutional document, it creates a bit of difficulty for the judiciary,
00:05:16.800 so for the courts to try and figure out which one of the rights, how the government is going to apply,
00:05:22.800 or what happens if your rights are violated, because some of the governance documents and some
00:05:27.840 of the rights documents are all in different places. And so the court really has to sort of
00:05:32.080 figure it out. And again, in the UK, to use the UK example, because they don't have a written
00:05:36.320 constitution, that on one hand might be difficult, but they have centuries of British common law and
00:05:42.000 precedent where court cases have been decided and how government is going to respect or uphold human
00:05:48.640 rights. So they have a lot of that history. And that's why for them, it's a bit easier to figure
00:05:57.440 things out. So back to Confederation and back to the Founding Fathers. So again, we have a number of
00:06:04.800 different documents. Then comes Pierre Elliott Trudeau, so the elder Trudeau, and he decides
00:06:11.360 that Canada is going to have to have its own constitution. So we're going to have to what's
00:06:16.800 called repatriate our constitution. Again, unlike the Americans who started off as British colony, 0.89
00:06:22.400 much as we did, they decided to break away, declare independence. So they have the Declaration of
00:06:26.960 Independence, and then they have the constitution. With us, because we stayed part of the Commonwealth,
00:06:32.000 if we stayed part of the British Empire, we never had that. So we had to repatriate. So
00:06:37.120 patrioting, repatriating, bring our constitution back home, as it's commonly referred to. So we had
00:06:42.880 to bring that back home. And that was done in 82. So that is what is called the Constitution Act 82.
00:06:50.800 That's where the charter was adopted. So here you can see, this is the Constitution Act 1982.
00:06:55.840 And this is also the charter. But it's got many, many sections. And there's a lot of things about
00:07:02.880 how you apply it and where the rights and responsibilities come from. What is the role?
00:07:09.760 You can see I was looking up some principles here. So this is the Constitution Act 1982. And again,
00:07:15.200 this is when Canada officially gets its own constitution. So this is now the highest document,
00:07:22.240 the highest legal document in the country. And so we can use this to understand how we're going to
00:07:27.120 apply other rights, how we're going to understand different rights, and how we're going to
00:07:32.080 balance rights between individuals and operations of the state. So this is all the document. And I do
00:07:37.040 want to go through some of the charter, just to talk about some of the issues. Because again,
00:07:41.520 because of the coronavirus crisis, many people have questions. What right does the government have to
00:07:46.480 make these decisions, these sometimes arbitrary seeming decisions? What right does the government
00:07:50.400 have? And what are my rights? And how are those two things balanced? But just before there,
00:07:54.960 you can see here's a nice video of this is 1982, when the Queen came to actually sign the charter. So
00:08:02.000 she signed it, which again, begs all kinds of interesting questions about the sort of independence
00:08:07.520 of Canada. Again, we're still very tied to the British monarchy. And I think, you know, there's some
00:08:11.520 people who have some issues with that. Some people who have don't, some people do not have issues with
00:08:15.520 that. For me, it really all depends on, I guess, the the de facto state of affairs,
00:08:20.400 which means the in reality state of affairs. I think there's a lot to be said for tradition. And
00:08:24.640 there's a lot to be said for institutions, especially very old institutions. So shouldn't
00:08:29.040 necessarily throw them out immediately. And really, you know, it all depends on how things are in
00:08:34.960 practice, right? In Canada, we have a lot of ties to the British monarchy, but we're not necessarily,
00:08:41.280 on an everyday day to day basis, we're not really run by the British monarchy or by the
00:08:45.440 British parliament. So, you know, again, there's a lot to parse out there. I think maybe that's the
00:08:49.440 topic for another video. Regardless, I just wanted to pull up this, this cool video and show you a bit
00:08:54.880 of that history, the Canadian history. So here back to the Constitution Act 1982. So this is the charter.
00:09:00.560 And this part of the video, if you've been watching until now, this part of the video,
00:09:03.120 we're actually going to go through some of the charter and try and talk about what that means.
00:09:06.960 So again, here is the Constitution Act of 1982. This is now the highest law of the land.
00:09:12.480 So right off the bat, whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of
00:09:16.960 God and the rule of law. In my last video, I spoke about sort of the natural rights,
00:09:21.600 the God-given rights, the inalienable rights, the fact, the rights that you have or that is believed
00:09:26.560 you have simply because you are a person, and then the rights that government has to give to you.
00:09:30.400 These are the positive, again, and negative rights. The negative rights, leave me alone,
00:09:34.080 you don't need to do anything. So freedom of speech, just let me say what I want. Positive
00:09:38.080 rights, you have to give me something. I have a right to education, a right to health,
00:09:40.720 a right to housing, all these types of things. So again, it's important, I think,
00:09:45.520 that the supremacy of God is in there because it speaks to, I guess, the inalienable and natural
00:09:50.400 rights of the person. So we have here that the Canadian chart of rights guarantees rights and
00:09:56.160 freedoms set on a subject only to reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably
00:10:00.960 justified in a free and democratic society. So here we go. This is sort of right off the bat,
00:10:06.080 I guess, an interesting one. And this talks about the limits. Now, obviously, you can think there
00:10:11.760 might be limits or when there will be a limit on somebody's rights. That's if they break a law or
00:10:16.160 if they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing, then obviously their rights would have to
00:10:19.200 be violated because that prevents them from violating other people's rights. So again, you commit a crime,
00:10:24.480 you're arrested, suddenly you don't have the right to go anywhere, you don't have the right to do a
00:10:29.040 number of the things you used to do, you lost your free speech, you probably should still have the
00:10:33.200 right to remain free of unlawful search and seizure, which is in here. But you've lost a number of
00:10:38.720 rights and that is a justifiable, that is very justifiable because that's what it takes to keep
00:10:43.120 an orderly and lawful society. So right off the bat here, this is sort of one of the founding
00:10:48.240 principles. Then we get to the actual freedoms. So this is the freedom of conscience and religion,
00:10:52.720 freedom of thought, belief, opinion, expression, freedom of the press and of other media and
00:10:56.640 communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, freedom of association. Implied in this one,
00:11:00.640 interestingly enough, is freedom to not associate. So I can choose to associate, but I can also choose
00:11:05.040 not to associate. Some very interesting legal cases there that maybe I'll talk about in another video.
00:11:09.920 So these are the sort of the fundamental freedoms. Then here's the democratic rights,
00:11:13.040 talking about the right to vote, talking about in time of war or what must be done in the House of
00:11:18.720 Commons. This one is especially interesting because the coronavirus crisis is put to the test,
00:11:25.280 some of these sort of democratic principles. There was quite an issue with the House meeting,
00:11:30.720 or not meeting rather, early on until we got some of the virtual parliamentary
00:11:35.440 sittings able to be done. And so that again is very interesting since it specifically outlines what
00:11:40.800 happens to do and what should we do in a wartime. Whereas this one, again, is a crisis, a pandemic,
00:11:48.320 probably not thought of when the authors wrote this, but again, some parallels there. Mobility rights,
00:11:54.480 talking about moving and remaining in Canada, moving to different provinces. These are the
00:11:58.800 legal rights. You have the right to life, liberty, security of the person, the right to be secure
00:12:04.720 against unreasonable search and seizure. So I spoke about that just before the right to not be
00:12:09.200 arbitrarily detained or imprisoned. Again, some very important, very fundamental rights. And in the
00:12:15.040 legal rights, as opposed to sort of the fundamental freedoms. So right now, the government is not,
00:12:21.520 I don't think anyone is arguing the government is violating your freedom of conscience, freedom of
00:12:25.440 religion. I don't think they're talking about some of these other rights, freedom of thought, belief,
00:12:29.440 opinion, peaceful assembly, maybe because you can't really go anywhere. Freedom of association,
00:12:36.160 again, you can't really go anywhere. So that's somewhat connected. But the real one is the legal
00:12:41.360 rights, the right to not be arbitrarily detained, the right to not be in prison. That's again,
00:12:47.280 you know, sort of boarding with the stay home orders, with the property rights, you can go to
00:12:52.640 your cottage, you cannot go to your cottage, you know, these, these type of rights. And I think this
00:12:56.560 is where people are finding that question, where have our rights gone? What are happening to our
00:13:02.640 rights? And how do we sort of make sense of all these things? Because rights are, I guess, the most
00:13:10.160 basic fundamental block of building a society. The fact that everyone is equal and has rights is
00:13:16.720 something that's not common throughout history, because throughout history, you would have had
00:13:20.560 maybe rulers, aristocrats, the wealthy landowners, you know, different categories of people, maybe
00:13:25.600 different races, different categories of people, they had different rights than perhaps others,
00:13:30.640 you know, so you could have a slave or indentured servant or a bondsman, these people would have less
00:13:35.120 rights, maybe no rights than, you know, than different categories of people. So, you know,
00:13:41.920 the everyone here, everyone, everyone, everyone, that's really critical. And again, that's part of
00:13:46.800 the discussion right now, if well, if everyone, then how are you? How are you telling me this? How are you
00:13:50.480 telling me to stay home? How are you telling me all these things? Because everyone, it's not just,
00:13:53.600 you know, some people. So this is all part of that discussion ongoing right now, that I think is
00:13:58.720 important for us to look at. The most important part, though, that I think most people do not know or
00:14:03.680 understand, and I'm gonna have to control F to find, is the right here. So this is the, sorry,
00:14:10.800 this is male and female, that's the not the correct, notwithstanding, this is section 33. Okay, section 33.
00:14:18.160 Now, this is the, I think, most misunderstood part of the charter of the Canadian constitution,
00:14:24.560 and I want to talk about it because it doesn't really exist in the same way in a lot of other
00:14:28.400 countries. And this is what is called the notwithstanding clause. So notwithstanding clause here,
00:14:33.120 I'll read it out first and then we'll talk about it. Parliament or legislature of a province may
00:14:37.280 expressly declare an act of parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be,
00:14:41.600 that any act or provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision,
00:14:46.400 excuse me, not including a provision, including in section two or sections seven to 15. So again,
00:14:51.280 section two, this is up here, this is your fundamental freedoms, or seven to 15, the legal rights,
00:14:59.040 all the way down here to 15 and quality rights. Okay, so what does that mean back to section 33,
00:15:04.240 back to the notwithstanding clause? So, okay, that means that parliament, so the federal parliament,
00:15:09.520 or a provincial legislature can say, can especially declare that an act of parliament or the legislature
00:15:18.080 is going to be in effect regardless of what it says in section two or sections seven through 15.
00:15:24.880 So again, so theoretically, a provincial government could pass a law saying that, you know, you do not
00:15:32.320 have freedom of religion, right, there's only going to be one official religion, or you do not have
00:15:37.120 freedom of association, you do not have the right going forward to be safe from unlawful search and
00:15:43.760 seizure. So theoretically, a province could pass that. And therefore, your rights as guaranteed by
00:15:50.400 the charter are now not guaranteed because section 33, the notwithstanding clause, notwithstanding
00:15:55.920 clause has sort of unguaranteed them in a particular sense. Again, this brings up a lot of discussion
00:16:01.600 of when is it valid? When is it a right that is permanent, that it can never be violated? Are there
00:16:06.720 times when it is appropriate to be violated? This section, it is important to note, has never been
00:16:12.320 used on the federal level. So the house of commons has never actually had to use the notwithstanding
00:16:18.480 clause. But provinces have used the notwithstanding clause. And the most famous example is Quebec with
00:16:24.720 some of the language laws. I'll pull up a link here, I'll try and pull it up in a second. But
00:16:30.080 some of the language laws in Quebec, then those ones you get around the the charter, because there's a
00:16:38.320 notwithstanding, notwithstanding clause that's being invoked. And therefore, they can just get away
00:16:45.040 and say, okay, well, you know, we understand that, we understand that, you know, it says these rights
00:16:50.560 here. And, you know, we believe in these lights. However, the, you know, notwithstanding because
00:16:57.600 of special issues in Quebec, special dynamics in Quebec. So therefore, we believe that this
00:17:02.240 particular right is, it's more important to enforce another right, which is language rights and
00:17:07.520 French language rights, as opposed to this right of people. So it's important to look at these rights
00:17:13.520 and the notwithstanding clause in one context that it can be used to differentiate between rights,
00:17:18.400 or perhaps reorder the rights in different tiers. So you might say, okay, well, you have two competing
00:17:23.520 rights, but we're going to now reorder them. So it doesn't necessarily have to be, we don't think you
00:17:28.640 have freedom of religion, we don't think you have freedom of conscience. It doesn't necessarily have 1.00
00:17:32.560 to be that it could be simply a reordering, a reordering of, of different rights, different rights that
00:17:40.160 are competing. And so that is something that I think is something we need to keep in mind.
00:17:44.880 But regardless, the fact that there is a Section 33 that is, is different than I think a lot of
00:17:51.120 other countries where they have a straight section that talks about how we're going to deal with this
00:17:57.680 is very important on one hand. But again, this all ties into the fact that you have to have,
00:18:04.640 and I mentioned in my previous video, you have to have a society that is willing to uphold your rights.
00:18:09.680 And in our society, in our, you know, in the times that we're living in, it's the government
00:18:14.800 that is upholding your rights. So in a certain sense, the government is giving your rights,
00:18:20.400 and I'm going to, you know, using quote marks, the government is giving you your rights,
00:18:23.680 because ultimately, it doesn't matter if the rights are inalienable, and they're God given,
00:18:27.840 because the government society at large is upholding those rights for you. But then again,
00:18:34.000 here, we're talking about the way how to deal with those rights. And so the charter as a document,
00:18:39.920 again, is, is super important, because not only did it finally bring together as in 1982,
00:18:46.400 did it finally bring together the laws of the land in Canada under one document, which makes it much
00:18:52.800 easier, and sort of more important, it codifies them as the basic law of this country. But it's
00:18:58.880 important, because right now, a lot of the discussion should revolve around the constitution,
00:19:05.360 around the charter, and around our rights, because we can't talk about rights, unless we all understand
00:19:11.520 rights in the same way. And that's what this document is trying to do. Now, I do want to set
00:19:15.760 up for the next, for the next video. And I want to talk about, you may have heard this concept of
00:19:21.600 the constitution or the charter as a living, breathing document. You may have heard from the
00:19:27.680 US, people talking about the constitution literally, or reading into it different things.
00:19:32.720 So I want to talk about that. And that's a bit of a complex issue. And that's how we understand the
00:19:36.800 charter going forward. How do you read this document? I mean, this was written in 1982,
00:19:41.280 so much more recent. But if you're talking about other documents, how do you read them if they're
00:19:46.960 two, three, 400 years old, or in the case of British common law, how do you read that if this is like
00:19:51.040 800 years old, right? So something about to talk about for another video. But other than that,
00:19:55.920 I really hope that everyone found this video somewhat useful. And if you have any questions
00:20:00.000 about the constitution, I'd love to be able to try and explore that together with you. And, you know,
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