Juno News - May 16, 2025


The DARK SIDE of the Alberta separatist movement + White refugees？


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00:00:00.000 I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. So one of the topics that we
00:00:06.160 have been discussing in depth since the federal election is the issue of Western separatism,
00:00:11.400 Western independence. And I will say that we have been covering it more from a perspective
00:00:15.980 that we find it interesting here at The Candace Malcolm Show. We're interested in the idea,
00:00:18.920 not that we promote it, not that we like the idea of splitting up Canada, but we are interested
00:00:22.320 in the movement. And we have been highlighting some of the other voices that have been leading
00:00:26.220 this movement. People like Keith Wilson, the constitutional lawyer who helped us break
00:00:30.140 down the changes to the Citizens Initiative Act announced by Premier Daniel Smith. We've also
00:00:34.920 had Premier Daniel Smith on the program, not talking about this specifically, but we also
00:00:38.560 recently had Preston Manning on the show earlier this week. That episode really blew up. A lot of
00:00:43.440 people are really interested in Preston's vision for the future of this country. Well, we also want to
00:00:48.840 sometimes show the other side of the story. And that is why I invited Wyatt Claypool on the show
00:00:53.880 today. Wyatt is a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph. And I don't know your
00:00:59.560 perspective on it per se, Wyatt, but I know that you have some concerns and some skepticism as an
00:01:05.200 Albertan, as a Calgary native yourself. So I wanted to have you on today to sort of just explore the
00:01:10.020 other side, the dark side of this movement and why we should perhaps have some more caution towards
00:01:14.800 it. So I'll hand it over to you and you can explain your position. Well, thank you for having me on
00:01:19.760 talk about this. And hopefully I'm not going to disappoint people by sounding like, you know,
00:01:24.040 nervously pessimistic, because in a certain sense, my personal perspective doesn't matter. If anything,
00:01:28.900 I would say I'm the most agnostic person on Western separatism as someone living in the West,
00:01:33.400 as you could possibly get. I really just care about the numbers. If you're going to try and do
00:01:39.260 something and you want it to succeed, you should want there to be the proper, you know, the proper
00:01:44.560 soil, the infrastructure there in order to actually be able to get the victory across the finish line.
00:01:50.640 And when I look at Western separatism, I'm going to first, at least let's talk about my province of
00:01:56.880 Alberta. I'm going to look at the results for getting rid of daylight savings time. The daylight
00:02:04.120 savings time referendum in Alberta failed. And now we're going to try and go for Western separatism
00:02:10.500 in sort of a glory shot of only maybe a year's worth of organizing because Mark Carney got
00:02:17.080 reelected as prime minister. And I hate Mark Carney. I don't like the liberals. And you could say that
00:02:22.460 in theory, it's good for Alberta to separate. It's good for Saskatchewan to separate from Canada.
00:02:27.840 They get horribly mistreated. I know all that stuff. And the thing is, whenever we start getting into
00:02:32.860 like whenever you start to say it's not really feasible to actually succeed in this referendum,
00:02:38.380 at least this time, people say, well, don't you know how bad things are? Like, okay, it just doesn't
00:02:44.000 matter. I understand all that stuff. But whenever I look at the polling, whenever I look at just the
00:02:49.720 realities on the ground of the kind of mountains, you're going to have to ascend in order to win
00:02:55.500 the victory. I just don't see a real path forward. I know some people in the separatist movement,
00:03:00.020 I appreciate them, even though many of them are very good at politics. But you need to have
00:03:05.280 like a thousand people around the province organizing who are fantastic at politics to
00:03:11.240 get something like this across. And I don't even think at this point, they maybe would even win in
00:03:16.520 the rural areas at this point.
00:03:18.860 Well, it's interesting that you say that because it reminded me of the 2021 referendum that Alberta
00:03:22.940 asked when it came to equalization payments. Now, in my mind, this should have been an absolute
00:03:27.280 slam dunk, asking Albertans whether they want to continue to subsidize the rest of the provinces,
00:03:32.780 often ones that deliberately don't develop their own natural resources and are like morally opposed
00:03:38.520 to it. They're more than happy to take the checks from Alberta. Like, this should have been an 80-20
00:03:42.920 slam dunk issue. And I remember feeling like quite surprised when it came back. And so that again,
00:03:48.000 April, or sorry, this was on October 18th, 2021. The question was, should Section 36 of the Constitution
00:03:53.360 Act, Parliament and the Government Canada's commitment to the principle of making equalization
00:03:57.900 payment be removed from the Constitution, right? And so just knowing all that background that Alberta just
00:04:02.520 pays way more. I don't know the exact numbers, but they pay billions and billions more than they
00:04:06.300 get back in services every year. And that went 61% for the yes side and only 38% no. So 38% of
00:04:14.320 Albertans said, no, no, we want to continue this deal that we get. To me, that showed that it had
00:04:18.460 become like a partisan issue, right? That it was really 61, 62% of people saying they are in agreement
00:04:24.860 with the conservative government. And then 40%, almost 40% saying that they are opposed to it,
00:04:29.460 which makes me think these referendums are so politicized in Alberta. The question isn't
00:04:33.780 really the question. I think that was also part of the point that you wanted to make that when you
00:04:38.300 break down who would support a vote for secession, it really goes down to partisan lines. So this is an
00:04:46.980 Angus Reid poll that came out last week, referendum reality, half in Alberta and Saskatchewan call for
00:04:53.660 vote on independence, fewer actually leave. And when you look at the breakdown, this is what is super
00:04:58.360 interesting, is that UCP supporters, the United Conservative Party are kind of split, not quite
00:05:03.260 split, because you still have 33% saying that they would definitely vote to leave, and then 32%
00:05:10.480 leaning leave. So that's that 60% I was talking about. But then when you look at NDP voters, a full
00:05:16.520 93% say definitely would stay, right? And so somehow in Alberta, it has become like a left-right issue.
00:05:23.800 Yeah. And what you would end up running into, in my opinion, is that this is going to be a really
00:05:29.660 great practice of unity for the NDP in Alberta and Saskatchewan, because the numbers are pretty
00:05:34.780 much the exact same as Saskatchewan, between the Saskatchewan party and the Saskatchewan NDP.
00:05:38.760 It's going to be very unifying for the left, and it's going to be very divisive for the right,
00:05:43.200 and not divisive for the right, like, but if we try hard enough, we'll be able to win. You can't win,
00:05:48.060 you're not going to win the suburbs. That's the problem. Too many people who live in Alberta were
00:05:52.620 not born in Alberta. They came from the east, they came from British Columbia, and they happen
00:05:57.000 to like Canada. And the issue is never the issue when you have these referendums, like you're
00:06:03.120 correctly pointing out about the referendum on equalization. It started becoming about,
00:06:07.920 do you like Canada, or do you like Alberta? Even though that's a very easy slam dunk issue that
00:06:13.040 we shouldn't be subsidizing the entire province's, like, social welfare systems and, like, healthcare
00:06:19.700 and whatnot, if they can't figure out their own public finances to, like, for decades at a time.
00:06:25.220 The thing is, like, right now, we're going to be going in with a question where it is explicitly,
00:06:31.680 do you want independent Alberta or do you want Canada? Which is pretty, it's going to be a fairly
00:06:35.760 permanent, or at least a semi-permanent decision. You're going to have a lot of retirees,
00:06:41.220 a lot of upper middle class, nervous people, a lot of immigrants, who are just going to vote
00:06:47.280 Canada, because they're, frankly, they don't live out in rural areas where all the oil and gas work
00:06:53.260 is being done, and who have experienced the kind of, like, anti-farming kind of policies of the
00:07:00.760 government to support the supply management, like cartels out east. It's, you're just not going to be
00:07:08.680 able to do it, and my fear, again, is that in the next provincial election, this is going to be the
00:07:13.180 thing that they hang around Daniel Smith's neck in order to beat her, especially if separatist parties
00:07:18.980 are in running in the race. It's going to be very easy for the NDP to come up the middle in 23 with
00:07:23.720 basically no other parties other than the NDP and the UCP seriously running. It came down to, like,
00:07:29.260 a thousand, two thousand votes in Calgary that separated us from an NDP government and a UCP
00:07:35.380 government. Same thing in Saskatchewan. I think it was only 500 votes in Saskatchewan, and that was all
00:07:40.060 just one or two seats in Saskatoon going one way or the other would have changed everything.
00:07:45.400 It's so interesting, and you're right, it's close. Like, it's not a slam-dunk issue. I think that a lot
00:07:50.120 of people in central Canada and Quebec and Ontario, they might not really know the details of, like,
00:07:55.560 who would support a movement like this. Like, is it just, like, the hard right flank? Is there
00:08:00.600 appetite for this? We had Kian Bexty on this show the other day, and he was saying that the idea in
00:08:04.900 central Canada is that it's a bunch of, like, hillbillies and rednecks that are supporting
00:08:08.140 this, whereas from his perspective, it is, like, the most sophisticated of business people and
00:08:12.740 investors that are the most serious about this. One of the cautions that I've been hearing from
00:08:18.440 people in Alberta is this Republican Party of Alberta is sort of run by maybe, I don't know,
00:08:24.900 like an outsider, a fringe character named Cam Davies. So I want to play this clip of Cam talking
00:08:31.340 about how the momentum for an Alberta Republic is growing in Calgary and Edmonton and urging
00:08:36.100 Albertans to sign his petitions. Play this clip.
00:08:39.340 Alberta cities are full of energy, innovative people, bold ideas, and a drive to succeed.
00:08:47.260 But our future is being shaped by leaders in Ottawa who don't live here and don't understand our culture.
00:08:53.420 We've been held back by policies that handcuff our economy, punish our industries, and dismiss our
00:09:01.420 potential. The Alberta Republican Party believes in independence because decisions about Alberta's
00:09:07.580 future should be made here, not by the Laurentian elite.
00:09:11.180 That doesn't sound like an extreme message to me. That sounds like perfectly common sense,
00:09:15.660 but I don't know the ins and outs of all of these characters. So Kian Bextie on X wrote this in
00:09:20.540 response to that clip. He wrote a public service announcement. Cam Davis is an American. He used
00:09:24.300 to work for the BC Liberals, trying to stop John Ruddstad's conservative surge. After Danielle Smith
00:09:28.780 refused to hire him in her government, he began plotting, I fully believe, that he launched this
00:09:33.340 joke of a party to help Naheed Menchie get elected. And that, of course, is the NDP leader. Keith Wilson,
00:09:38.780 a constitutional lawyer who was also on a show I mentioned last week, he writes this. He says,
00:09:42.380 if you want Alberta independence to succeed, please give this political party a pass. This
00:09:47.180 party weakens our chances of achieving independence for our kids. So what do you make of all this,
00:09:51.260 Wyatt? And I know Cam Davies, and I don't mind the guy. The guy is actually a very good marketer.
00:09:56.460 At the very least, he's good at political communications, which is his sort of background.
00:10:01.260 Again, and I would generally agree with Keith Wilson. The only thing I would disagree with him is,
00:10:05.420 as I really don't think that if you pass the Republican Party and you find a new vehicle,
00:10:11.340 if that vehicle is going to succeed either. What we always see with the separatist movement in Alberta
00:10:16.940 is that it very quickly devolves into utopianism, where everyone starts trying to debate what version
00:10:24.540 of independent Alberta they want well before they even have the support to even come close,
00:10:30.140 even get more than 25% of the vote in a referendum. And so everything splits up because people have
00:10:35.820 disagreements of whether it should be the 51st state or whether we should be independent,
00:10:39.180 and if we should only leave if we also get Saskatchewan too. It's one of these things where
00:10:43.900 I think that the idea oftentimes gets going when people are highly emotional. And it seems like a
00:10:50.300 great idea at the time, because right now it's probably a high watermark in Alberta for support for
00:10:55.340 separatism. And that's even with 58% of people being against it, and only in like the mid-30s in
00:11:00.860 favor of it, with a lot of people who of course still just don't have an opinion or don't know.
00:11:06.140 This is high watermark. People are emotional. In one year's time, especially if like, you know,
00:11:12.620 sorry to point out to people, but if Mark Carney lowers taxes even a little bit, people will be like,
00:11:16.620 oh you know, life's not as bad. It's still not very good. But people tend to have a high degree
00:11:23.340 of an ability to kind of forget about issues, especially that take a lot of work to accomplish.
00:11:27.900 People tend to forget when things even get a little bit better.
00:11:31.660 I mean, I could play the opposite side of that coin though, Wyatt. Like what happens if we get
00:11:35.180 plunged into a recession? What happens if we can't sell our debt on a bond market and the loonies
00:11:40.140 start spiraling? I mean, things could go really the other way here. I mean, Canada's in a dangerous
00:11:45.420 spot. You posted a video where you said that liberals want separatism to spread, to divide Canadians,
00:11:51.580 and that you think this is all good for Mark Carney. But what happens if the economy crashes? And maybe
00:11:57.260 explain to folks why you think that Mark Carney wants the separatist movement to spread.
00:12:02.140 I think there is a low ceiling for how much support the separatist movement can get, even if,
00:12:08.300 you know, bond markets crash and the dollar devalues heavily. I think there's just a lot of
00:12:13.180 people who is just a no-go for them. Retirees in Calgary are the people who would absolutely destroy
00:12:18.620 the referendum because you'd be having to win the rural areas like 90-10 to offset losing it
00:12:24.300 massively in Edmonton and Calgary. Again, we're having, in provincial elections, it's close between
00:12:30.380 the UCP and the NDP, which is a far easier choice to make in favor of the UCP in the sense that it's a
00:12:37.180 fiscally conservative party and we're going to be trying to, you know, like stabilize the economy and
00:12:42.140 lower tax and all this stuff. And it's still difficult to get people to show up and vote for that
00:12:47.420 against the trade unionist NDP. Now the NDP in the next election, this is why Carney and Nahid Nenshi
00:12:54.300 and Carla Beck like this in Alberta, Saskatchewan, is because they get to run on, let's be pro-Canadian,
00:13:00.060 let's keep Canada together. They can ignore all their stupid socialist policies and they can make
00:13:04.460 themselves the party of Canada. And then Daniel Smith has to be the party enabling the separatist
00:13:09.820 takeover of Alberta. No, that's so true. Interesting. Okay. Well, we're going to have to keep that
00:13:15.500 topic in mind and keep watching it, have you back on. There was a story I wanted to get to yesterday,
00:13:20.460 but we didn't have time. So I'm going to go through it today, which is that this writing in Quebec,
00:13:25.180 Terrebonne, in suburban Montreal, Elections Canada has called it, is going to the Liberals despite all
00:13:31.580 of the shenanigans that we have been walking the audience through. So recall this, that on election,
00:13:35.340 this is according to CBC reporting, Terrebonne initially went to the Liberal MP by 35 votes,
00:13:41.020 but after the standard validation process, the result flipped to the incumbent Bloc Quebecois MP
00:13:46.700 by 44 votes. Yes, it swung by 79 votes somehow, somehow. And then this triggered an automatic judicial
00:13:55.980 recount. When the recount, the judicial recount happened, it went to the Liberals by one single
00:14:02.780 solitary vote, only to have a woman come forth from the Bloc saying, I voted for the Bloc,
00:14:08.700 but Elections Canada didn't get my vote because Elections Canada made a mistake with the return
00:14:13.500 envelope. She had a copy of it in her hand, just an unbelievable chain of events that went on there.
00:14:19.740 Well, the National Post is reporting that the vote in Terrebonne writing is the final vote,
00:14:25.180 despite the uncounted mail-in ballot, that would make it a tie according to Elections Canada. And so
00:14:30.780 Elections Canada said that they will be reviewing the special ballot system after this returned mail-in
00:14:35.900 ballot, but that as far as this election result, it is final. It is final. So too bad. And the
00:14:43.900 Liberal is going to get to be the MP. What do you make of it, Wyatt?
00:14:46.860 Well, in Elections Canada, I'm pretty sure they even acknowledged that they screwed up with the wrong
00:14:51.580 address on the envelopes. Like, so apparently that we're just going by the rule of, well, what's one
00:14:57.020 vote between friends when the Liberals need to win? Like, I think anyone, any reasonable person,
00:15:04.060 would look at this and say, hey, it's pretty hazy on who won here. I don't think that we're going
00:15:10.700 to be able to squint and really say decisively it's one way or the other. They should probably
00:15:15.020 be having a by-election. And good thing that it seems like Francois Blanchet is not going to
00:15:19.740 take this lying down. And I think he has a press conference scheduled to address this issue because
00:15:23.980 you shouldn't just accept this. And with so many Liberals wondering why or attacking, you know,
00:15:30.060 usually it's not even, it's not major figures, but it's usually people online who are saying the
00:15:34.220 election's rigged and whatnot. It's not. But when you have stupidity like this happening in
00:15:39.420 individual writings like Terrebonne and you have 800 special ballots being kept in a box and left
00:15:45.340 uncounted in British Columbia, it's like, can you not, can you not understand why people might think
00:15:52.060 that these mistakes are not just mistakes and it's like intentional? I don't think it's intentional,
00:15:57.740 but incompetence is quite a, you know, quite a strong drug.
00:16:01.740 Well, I think it's a little bit of both in this situation. If you ask me,
00:16:05.100 why do I want to move on? Because there's a topic that I used to cover a lot, which is
00:16:08.700 immigration and refugees. And this story really popped out. It's an American story,
00:16:12.460 but I'm going to tie it back to Canada as well. So earlier this week, we saw that the United States
00:16:17.180 has fast tracked a group of refugees that have arrived in the United States. The Trump administration
00:16:22.140 welcomed 59 white South Africans as refugees, saying they face discrimination and violence at home.
00:16:27.740 Which the country's government strongly denies. And so it's kind of just become an interesting
00:16:33.660 spectacle on social media, especially. Here's the account and wokeness saying women and children,
00:16:39.260 fathers who have stable jobs, not one single gang tattoo. Everyone is waving an American flag.
00:16:45.180 The only refugees the left hates. And it does seem, at least from social media and the response,
00:16:51.660 that the left does hate this group of refugees. Here is a left wing account on X,
00:16:55.740 saying South African refugees, in scare quotes there, arriving in the U.S. looking like they
00:17:00.460 haven't struggled a day in their life. And so again, the response has really been wild.
00:17:07.820 Here's another one from and wokeness saying TikTok influencers issues a direct threat to the 59 white
00:17:13.580 refugees, saying that black people will be hunting them down. I believe we have a part of this clip,
00:17:20.140 basically just saying that white people shouldn't be allowed to be refugees in the United States.
00:17:25.580 Let's play the clip.
00:17:26.140 This is for the South Africans who are going to be entering the United States. This is just
00:17:31.660 a public service announcement. I just wanted to make you aware that the black people who were students
00:17:38.940 during apartheid, we're grandmas and grandpas now, and we have the air of Gen Z. One more thing. I also
00:17:51.020 want to let you know that our president, he has secret service, and you will not.
00:17:56.140 Yikes. Okay, so pretty strong words there. I don't know. I don't like any of this stuff, Wyatt. I think
00:18:02.780 that from, you know, my cursory knowledge of South Africa, I don't know the country very well. I have
00:18:06.780 visited, I was actually a student down there, and I've done the whole, like, I visited Robben Island
00:18:11.740 and understand the history of apartheid. However, it is pretty clear that things are not going very well
00:18:17.660 for the white South Africans, that a lot of them are getting hunted down and killed, that their farms are
00:18:23.020 being invaded, and that there is targeted crime against them. Recall the ANC, the Nationalist
00:18:29.340 Party that's in power there, which was Nelson Mandela's party, has gone down a pretty dark path.
00:18:34.380 They sort of openly have these, like, chants, these anti-apartheid chants that include things like
00:18:39.580 kill the boar and kill white. We've heard it. We've seen it. Terrifying footage of, like, entire stadiums
00:18:46.780 full of people chanting this kind of stuff. I wouldn't feel safe there. I don't begrudge people
00:18:52.060 for wanting to have a better life. That's the whole purpose of the refugee program, is to allow people
00:18:57.020 to come and have a better life in Canada or the United States. And if they're patriotic and they
00:19:01.980 love America and they're happy to be there, all the better. What do you make of all this?
00:19:05.660 Yeah, I do just want to clarify, I don't think it's the ANC party who was engaging the, like,
00:19:10.220 the kill the boar chants, but that was a left-wing, almost ally of the ANC, where they'll never condemn
00:19:17.340 them. And they kind of end up providing the anti-white kind of muscle within South Africa,
00:19:22.700 the people who push the policies that then justifies the ANC doing what they want, because
00:19:27.820 they'll take the more moderate middle road approach. But it's just the slightly less
00:19:31.980 insanely racist approach that the other party would want them to take.
00:19:36.620 Yeah, sorry, you're right. Thank you for making that clarification. The ANC does defend this song,
00:19:41.580 though. Here is a report from a router saying, and South Africans ANC's defend the killed boar song.
00:19:46.460 Okay, sorry, go ahead.
00:19:47.340 Yeah, and so they're the enablers. It's almost like that other party ends up being the Black Bloc
00:19:51.980 Antifa to their kind of progressive downtown Portland Democrat elected officials. It's kind of that
00:19:58.860 relationship going on. They're the official government. And then there's this other crazy
00:20:02.620 party that they'll kind of let go and do the dirty work of what they would like to do,
00:20:06.700 but they're too busy. You know, like they're wearing suits and ties so they can engage in that sort of
00:20:10.460 thing. And with that one with that one lady in that TikTok video, too, it's like who could guess why
00:20:15.900 people are donating to Carmelo Anthony for for like stabbing like that Metcalf boy to death. There's so
00:20:24.460 many people out there who thrive and live off of resentment. And that is what is basically just
00:20:31.820 fueling the opposition to these people moving to the United States. Oh, they don't look like
00:20:36.060 they're starving. Well, I don't think you need to be starving for someone to want to kill you in a
00:20:39.980 country. And it's no longer safe. And if you call the police, they're not going to show up in time.
00:20:44.300 And yes, they kill farmers in South Africa of both races, but they say it's very clear when they kill
00:20:50.220 a white farmer, just based on the crime scene evidence alone, it was probably racial in at least in
00:20:56.460 some elements of it. And so these people have a very good reason to leave. But people just cannot
00:21:01.900 stand that something bad could happen to somebody who's not in their politically favored identity
00:21:08.460 group. It's almost like, you know, racism is a bad thing. But if you're on the woke left, you'd think
00:21:14.620 it's actually perfectly fine because you see everything as just being oppressor and oppressed
00:21:18.860 power games. And so these people should maybe be killed. These people maybe should
00:21:24.380 get, you know, attacked in America because I guess they existed when apartheid existed.
00:21:30.620 These people only think in terms of group. All they think is in terms of group because they
00:21:36.780 are fundamentally racists.
00:21:37.580 It reminds me of that Ryan Long. Ryan Long is a Canadian comedian. He did this really funny skit,
00:21:43.740 I don't know, maybe five years ago where he was talking about how like the woke and the racists
00:21:48.300 kind of agree on everything. And he had like, there was like two guys and one was really woke and one
00:21:52.460 was really racist. And they actually agree. And that kind of reminds me of like white people can't
00:21:56.380 be refugees. They just can't. Right. And like that idea in and of itself is quite inherently racist.
00:22:02.300 Right. They're saying that, you know, white people have power innately and therefore they
00:22:07.260 can't be victimized, which what is that really saying about white people? I mean, it's so disturbing.
00:22:12.060 Well, and it's not even it's not even woke versus racist. It's woke versus woke. It's the woke left
00:22:18.140 and it's the woke right. People who just invert where they think that the algorithm of who's right
00:22:23.740 and wrong should kind of move in the direction of. And I'm anti algorithmic thinking. Every single
00:22:29.100 individual is an individual and you should always take things as a case by case basis.
00:22:33.100 Well, I said I wanted to tie it back to Canada because I think that there
00:22:37.020 is a tie here in a couple of different ways. So this is Juno News reporting and Noah Jarvis
00:22:41.580 from True North has this incredible exclusive Fed support immigration ad blitz promoting anti-Canada
00:22:47.660 pro-DEI views. So these ads, I guess, showed up all over bus stops in Victoria. And what do they do?
00:22:53.660 They highlight individual migrants to hear their stories, individual immigrants and refugees that
00:22:59.580 live in Canada. You can see by this board that they are funded by the government of Canada. So there's a
00:23:04.860 picture of woman says I'm more than the migrant you had in mind. And then when you go to their
00:23:09.420 individual stories, you have this like total like hatred of Canada. So I'll just read this woman who
00:23:15.100 is a she says she's a citizen of Jordan, originally from Palestine. And it says, here I am someone whose
00:23:21.100 family has been displaced because of colonialism and imperialism. Yet I am here on these territories
00:23:27.100 where I wasn't invited. I didn't go through the elders. I didn't go through indigenous peoples. I went through
00:23:32.380 basically their colonizer system. I found myself here as someone who's had similar background
00:23:37.100 experiences where my grandparents were forced to leave during the Nakba in 1948. The Nakba, for
00:23:42.940 people who don't know, is they call it the catastrophe when the Jews got their own country.
00:23:46.540 They consider that a catastrophe. And they call it ethnic cleansing, even though it was basically a
00:23:51.180 partition where the Jews moved to one side and the Arabs moved to the other side. And they always talk
00:23:55.820 about the fact that the Arabs were moved and they never talk about the fact that the Jews were also moved.
00:23:59.100 Anyway, she writes that I felt an enormous sense of guilt. So basically just saying that Canada is
00:24:03.900 not a legitimate country, that we're just colonizers. She went through the colonizer system and that
00:24:09.500 really she should have gone through the elders to come to Canada. So kind of discrediting the entire
00:24:14.540 notion of Canada. There's another one here, which is this other woman from Turkey who's part of the LGBT
00:24:21.180 community. So she's a gay refugee from Turkey. Rather than being grateful and appreciative to be here in
00:24:25.980 Canada, she just kind of like slams Canada for being not as open to LG people as she presumed that
00:24:32.780 they might have been. So this is this is what the government of Canada is. They find people who hate
00:24:36.860 our country and then they promote them to like shove it down our throats and say like these are the
00:24:41.420 people that we should be welcoming and celebrating. Yeah, I would honestly like these kind of people
00:24:49.580 into our country who have like no sense of gratitude and don't want to be here and don't even recognize
00:24:53.820 Canada as a legitimate country. Like there's a door. You can leave. If you hate it that much here and
00:24:58.220 you're so disillusioned by how horrible it is here, feel free to leave. What do you think, Wyatt?
00:25:04.460 And this is why on top of wanting the immigration rate for permanent residents lower to 100,000 per
00:25:10.380 year, I'd also on top of that want it so that we have values tests. And if we detect that somebody
00:25:16.700 doesn't actually like our country, is resentful towards our country, but is trying to move here,
00:25:20.460 you can leave. I don't want, I don't want people who don't want to be team players moving into
00:25:25.100 Canada. If you're only moving to, if you're don't, if you don't want to be a Canadian, you can not be
00:25:30.380 a Canadian. And the thing is that we're going to give you your wish and you can go back home because
00:25:34.940 apparently our country is so racist and horrible and everything here is just like, you know, homophobic,
00:25:40.540 xenophobic, whatever. Apparently we're xenophobic at the same time we let so many people enter the
00:25:44.940 country every single year without even just asking them to barely sign the guest book.
00:25:50.540 A hundred percent. One more story I wanted to highlight here, which is that this is another
00:25:53.500 one from Juneau News. Alex Sultan from True North writes that BC has temporarily banned non-Indigenous
00:25:58.540 people from visiting a provincial park. So under the NDP, the government has banned non-Indigenous
00:26:04.460 Canadians from accessing Joffrey Lakes Provincial Park. It's off limits to visitors starting on April 26th,
00:26:11.660 so the First Nations can have a ceremony. What do you make of this, Wyatt?
00:26:16.700 It's just the reconciliation industry run amok. It's just basically, every single thing that's
00:26:25.340 going on in BC right now, when it comes to ban councils, when it comes to reserve land, when it
00:26:31.020 comes to historical territory, it's all basically a slow march towards allowing ban councils to control
00:26:39.260 all property. This is basically a power move. It's it's silly. They're basically they're doing this
00:26:43.260 because a whale washed up on the beach and apparently this means that only Indigenous
00:26:46.620 people can be on the beach now for some ceremony. It's all about trying to slowly dig away at the
00:26:54.140 property rights of other British Columbians. And guess what? It's not even good for Indigenous people
00:26:58.380 because Indigenous people in British Columbia don't have individual rights. They have collective rights.
00:27:03.580 That's why on Haida Gwaii there was multiple a couple families had their houses bulldozed
00:27:09.340 because they had an association with someone who was selling drugs. They were just related to them
00:27:13.660 and they don't have individual rights. It's not their house. It's the band council's house. So they
00:27:18.140 can bulldoze the house and the government doesn't show up to arrest anyone or do anything about it.
00:27:22.140 We have this going on everywhere that ban councils and all these treaty rights, all these like basically
00:27:28.060 these this control they have over the land is deemed like a absolute special right that can
00:27:35.100 never be violated. And I think this this whole this whale beach story is just a microcosm of how
00:27:40.460 ridiculous it's gotten. You can't even be on the beach at the same time. Well, if you can't be on the
00:27:44.540 beach at the same time a dead whale's there, you're definitely never going to get a resource project through.
00:27:48.540 That's 100% true. I mean, I just think you're getting into very dicey territory where you say that based on
00:27:54.460 the color of your skin and based on your ethnicity, you can or cannot enter government land. Like,
00:28:00.060 I don't want any government agent policing what race someone is when they try to enter government
00:28:05.660 building or crown land. I mean, it's just it's really heading down a dark and dangerous path under
00:28:11.580 the guise of progressivism. And, you know, you mentioned that example from Haida Gwaii. We still call it
00:28:17.420 Queen Charlotte Islands. But, you know, it's just it's just sort of scary, you know, collectivism
00:28:25.260 run amok. And the thing is that it actually crosses party lines in British Columbia. You get the BC
00:28:31.260 NDP, the BC Green. So I call the farmers market communists. And you also have the BC conservatives
00:28:36.700 who will all engage at different times in this kind of like performative. Well, we need to we need to
00:28:43.820 respect land title and we need to respect the consultation process for getting projects through.
00:28:48.220 Right now, we have debates where the BC conservatives are trying to outwoke the NDP
00:28:51.900 because the NDP aren't respecting consultations enough. It's like, guys, just tell just shut down
00:28:56.780 the province at this point of word. We don't have the confidence in ourselves to do anything. Well,
00:29:02.460 then let's just like pack it in. Just call it Turtle Island province and then leave because this is
00:29:07.420 obviously never we're not going to get anything done here if we can't treat everyone as an individual
00:29:12.140 and an adult who actually has to live in the real world. We just we let banned pan councils
00:29:17.420 basically live in a different world and that we must now respect the random the rules and regulations
00:29:23.500 they make up on the spot. It's so unbelievable, such a scary direction. And I'm sad to see that
00:29:29.500 the BC conservatives are engaging in that kind of thing because the whole point of an opposition
00:29:33.100 is to impose this kind of thing. I know a whole bunch of people in British Columbia don't like this
00:29:36.700 stuff and they don't agree with it. They should have their voices heard and represented too.
00:29:40.460 Wyatt Claypool, thanks so much for joining us. We always appreciate your time and your insights.
00:29:44.700 Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.
00:29:45.740 All right, folks, have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back again on Monday with all the news.
00:29:49.340 I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.
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