Juno News - November 03, 2023
The fight against globalism (ft. Eva Vlaardingerbroek)
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In this episode of the Andrew Lawton Show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by journalist Jordan Peterson to discuss his recent trip to the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, where he was joined by Ava Blardinger-Blinde to discuss the dangers of globalism and the need for a counter-movement to counter it.
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you know interestingly i i just about i don't know 40 minutes ago or so i i was speaking with
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jordan peterson very briefly and i had said jordan i'm about to go on air uh and he says hello by
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the way he's a big supporter of true north i said jordan i'm about to go on air what would you tell
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people is the distinction or the contrast between arc and wef and in true jordan peterson like
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fashion he gave a very eloquent and biblical and historical answer that i i can't possibly
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paraphrase and the room was far too loud for me to record it but he effectively said we are wanting
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to give people freedom to rise them to rise up themselves to raise their communities to elevate
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themselves and as a result elevate society we're not looking to just give people what they want or
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what we think they want and that was so critical and you look i've covered the world economic forum
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on two occasions now and both times the presentations you hear from the speakers are almost all about
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them building the world they want and you having to make it happen here we are being empowered as
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attendees and i i say that because i i actually felt i don't feel empowerment often but i felt a
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a wee bit of empowerment this morning maybe it was something in the punch but we are being empowered to
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help build the world that we want for ourselves and as a result lift people up and that is i think
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the biggest distinction between the elites versus the everyman i would argue generally between the left
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and the right and that was one of the conversations i was having with people here you may know ava
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blardingerbrook who has been a an absolute firebrand of a commentator from the netherlands i first met her
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because she was a regular guest on my old friend mark stein's show and i was actually hanging out aboard
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the mark stein cruise with her a few months back and i was chatting with ava a little bit about this
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very trend we're seeing right now towards globalism and what an organization like art can do to kind of
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resist that take a look one of the things you've been known for i think uh contextualizing and
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criticizing is the rise of globalism and i'm wondering where you think this comes from what's
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the root of this where globalism comes from well i mean ultimately people like power uh especially
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people in power and they like to extend their power beyond what they already have and globalism
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well what what's better than to have control over the entire world you know if you can control one
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country that's nice but uh i think to people who have nefarious intentions the more power the better
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um and then why not on a global scale right so i think in some to a certain degree it's a natural thing
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in the human mind to want to expand power and uh sadly i think that there are a lot of people right
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now who who see opportunities there and who package that really nicely and with good good sounding
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intentions um but when we look at how that plays out in reality it can never really be good
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one of the biggest and i'd say most disheartening trends is that people who are elected as anti-globalists
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or as nationalists oftentimes end up disappointing i mean you have a number of conservative governments in
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the uk in the netherlands uh italy uh has been a particular letdown i know for you personally and
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how do we fight that because if you can't even really elect someone in a country that's going to
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fight against it we truly are powerless yeah i've been somewhat um to throw in a nice internet term
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there somewhat blackpilled on the political system in general i mean yes maloney for example being a
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recent uh case of someone who i've heard personally go on stage and talk about the the danger of
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globalism and really vehemently attack the globalists and now she's in power and the one thing that she
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promised which was a naval blockade she didn't do and lampadusa is being swarmed with migrants
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at a record number uh last month so it's like i i think probably not putting too much solace and
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hope in people who have personal interests um within the political realm is a good idea because
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somebody who will yeah like i said you know if you get in power you probably want to keep it
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and um catering to the globalists is a way to keep it right now sadly so maybe the the the resistance has
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to be outside of the system rather than in it there's a world economic forum class obviously people
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that go to the same parties they all take each other's ideas they all take inspiration from each other
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here we're at a forum that on paper is is arguably similar it's a global collection of leaders in
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various fields but it's very different and i'm wondering if you could explain a little bit about
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why that is and and i guess more importantly why you're here right well so i'm here um obviously
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when when jordan peterson announced that he was starting a counter movement basically to the world
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economic forum it immediately sparked my interest because although i'm not a fan necessarily of
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decentralized organizations the essence of this is is not that it's actually to bring together people
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who look at power in a more decentralized more nationalist way uh bring them together to fight
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again a global agenda right so it's it's in essence the opposite idea of the world economic forum even
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though we do have to conspire together you know in order to exchange ideas and uh and i really like that
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for for because of the fact that it's it's active you know we're doing something and there's a lot of
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talk on the conservative side but this is something where people can actually join and and and exchange
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ideas and take action and hopefully spread the word um beyond social media so i i really like it for that
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reason the focus obviously on responsible citizenship is a very different idea than what the world economic
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foreign predicates uh they for them of the political ideology that they're based on
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everything left-wing anyway anything neo-marxist is always it's always outside of yourself right it's
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always the system that is oppressive it's a racism or the patriarchy or anything climate you know it's
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always anything that is outside of your own control and i think what peterson opened with today saying
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no you you have agency over your own life and that's where you need to get started
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is a really good message and one that we desperately need so i'm curious to see how this will develop and
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what will come from you know a meeting like this because it can't just be talking that we need to be
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wary of that but i really really like the idea and just on citizenship i mean one of the more dangerous
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trends in recent years has been this idea of a quote-unquote global citizen which i i think is an
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incredibly facile thing to say exists you can't have citizens without nations and that's one thing i hope
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comes up here because that's really been i i'd say the cornerstone of a lot of the problems we've
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seen is the erosion of nations and the erosions of states yes i mean a citizen of the world is a
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contradiction in terms i would say you can't be a citizen of the world you are a citizen of a
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particular country and with that you know we're talking about citizenship being limited to
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your nation state but also democracy in and of itself is inherent to the idea of a nation state you
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can't have democracy on a global level it doesn't function so i think that that's important for
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people to to to realize you know even though the globalist ideas the the ones that we hear for
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example in the agenda 2030 they sound very good but the only way that that can happen if it is if
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there is a an active redistribution of your rights your goods and um i mean in general all of your basic
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liberties really you can't have a democracy on a global level it doesn't work that way and i think
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that that's something that people don't don't really realize when they they listen to the
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the nice free text and the pretty words so yeah i hope i hope we'll hear more of that here but we've
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only just gotten started so i'm very hopeful thanks for listening to the andrew lawton show
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